 This is on Facebook live, so I hope you don't, yeah. Then I'm doing nothing but headlocks. You're in sweat. You're out of scare. What's your number one goal in a scramble? What do you think about first? I'm trying to get my high crotch towards it. So you're always trying to be careful? Yeah. Because I thought more about, like, my dive under scenario, you know? But I realized my best position is really to go high crotch. It's just as simple here, you know what I mean? And whether I get that from a single leg or a double leg, whatever you do, you just throw your head underneath, you know? So if I shoot a single, you just throw that head. I'll pull it this side. I want to do this one. Come up. Oh, and you just pull it? Yeah. Yeah. Push. Push. I'll be more and more. My number one focus is getting my feet in the mat. Yeah. The more I keep my feet in the mat, I think I'm better. You're good. As I can move. I try to turn. I try to turn anything to a low single. So if you high crotch. Yeah. You don't have to throw it. Yeah. I'm trying to turn it back. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. That's what I'm trying to get. I just want you guys to get back to my high crotch. Yeah. My shovel. And just get that head where I need it. But I mean, just teaching it over and over and watching all the different kids' reactions and how they're processing. I just, I got to give them like three or four base things that like, this is what everybody's trying to do. Because like me, corner sit, I'm fishing out of water there. You know what I'm saying? Put some concepts to feed in the mat. Yeah. Put their feet off the mat. Weight towards their head. You know, everybody's saying high twins and a scramble but my feet aren't in the mat. Like I'm, I'm going to lose. I mean, that's simple and plain. I got to have more feet than that. I can't get that number two. How'd it go? I can't. I wouldn't have got it on you but. I would serve it up actually. I'm editing to this video. So do you ever go over the head right here? Like a collet? Yeah. I'll just go to the other side. I'll try to steer you. Yeah, yeah. That factor sit. Yeah. I normally don't show that just because I don't want kids to mess their knee up. Yeah. But. Yeah. Look. I can hear. Mm-hmm. Like to my single leg spin out. Yeah. Then I have to step up. You know, clean body cradle or whatever. I don't know. I just, the defense is starting to evolve a lot more. Mm-hmm. You know, so I'm just trying to figure out all the little things like on that spin out when you were throwing the head. Like you, like that's our, yeah that's our defense to it. Yeah. That's our defense of that spin out. You know. That's all I have too. That's getting better too. He passed my leg. He's passing me his double. Oh, yeah. Here. Float here. Yeah. I'm getting children. Right here's a good counter now. So we got to make foot. So our finish now, and I got this from Roper. Mm-hmm. So if you're doubling me. I'm getting this pass. Probably it's always passing straight like drive. Yeah. But then when I get here, it's trying to get hip down. Oh. Back to this position. Yeah. Something that's forced to roll. Just there right there. All right. So it gives me. You're going to go low and then you can turn this back to high. Well, I'm scooping your knee. Yeah. So I'm passing here. I'm always thinking about shoulder to your knee. So I can get to the, so in my feet, driving, driving. Then when I get belly down, I'm going new scoop. Blocking your knee and then press your back. Mm-hmm. And then if I get you here, pull my foot in. Because I'll hang on here. I can go chest. Then I got you. Yeah. Or if it's, if it's your top hand, I can turn to a half. If you grab with your top hand. Yeah. I come here. Turn to a half. Mm-hmm. So I got options to finish there. A lot of times those guys try to come out the back door with a leg pass. It's hard. And you're tying up my ankles. I'll never be able to step up. Mm-hmm. You know, because everybody's looking for our ankle now. So even if you high crotch me. You know, you got guys. Yeah. I get here and you don't change the far ankle. I'm going to beat you every time. Mm-hmm. You know what I'm saying? You almost have to let go of the high crotch to get there. If you don't, like... There's no way. Can I tell you what pass are you doing? Yeah. Sure. So move your past shoulder later. Yeah. So I go to the sole. And I think about when she'll wipe her foot out so I can't sit back. Yeah. Because once my foot gets outside my hip, I can't sit back and pull in. So as you pass. So I scoop them with this. Scoop my knee with that knee. Yeah. And then just... Oh, I like that. Right there. Yeah. So you can turn. You can step over. You got all basically your forced roll positions. Plus you're in a good spot to always turn towards the legs. Because I'm going to turn towards the legs. 99% of the time guy. But if I need to turn towards your head and stick you. Mm-hmm. 15, 20 seconds left. Mm-hmm. And it doesn't matter if... Man, if you're single in me. And you don't know that defense. Mm-hmm. I can high leg. Pass this leg right here. Yeah. And if you don't follow, I just come up. Yeah. If you do follow. Right here, please. Now if you're going to grab a leg. Or even if you walk on my prox. Yeah. Then I can't break your grip. Grab it. If I can't break your grip right here. I can still thread. Yeah. Like on that low single finish. He's getting my hand through. So like, I was close to that finish. I was doing more of a knee scoop. And then me and Roper did a camp in New Mexico last year. And he kept going to get to that forced roll position. Which I really like. Because I mean, anytime I pass a leg. That's my finish. Unless you don't follow. And then I just need to slide out the back door. Mm-hmm. But... I definitely... My guys can't like... I'm not teaching it well enough. Whatever it is, you know what I mean? Right. I'm not able to do... You know? Like a back door turn. Really? It's just like not... Just a knee change thing? But we can do this one. You know? Oh yeah. I'm good at that one. This, believe it or not, coming out the back door. Like you said, and then changing knees. So they can't work back into that ankle. I don't teach that at camp anymore. Just because like you said kids get so confused. It's hard. Don't knee slide out. They'll get here. And then they won't turn. Yeah. They won't pivot and turn. And then knee change. So I just don't show it at all. And I'm like, hey, if you can get out the back door. Then just hide your ankles. And turn and face them. Because it's the same thing as that Iranian position. If I'm here, they're going to be hooking. If I'm here, they're not. You know? But probably our most successful Iranian counter right now. Because if I, if you're single. And I stuff the cover right here. I'm always setting this anchor. So when you post and split. And you try to bring me up. And just come straight over the top and back into place. And in that way. It teaches me to fight my head to the mat. Be able to wrestle ups. Because I always got to trap arms and waist and lace. Like ask them to force that position. You know? What was your go to there? When they split. When I split. Yeah. When I get this high ring. Here. Oh. I would fall less. I might cross the guy. So you're trying to split every time? Yeah. Or I push back to my single. I can usually. Push. And force it. Oh so you're just getting your foot back to the mat. Yeah. So like elbow. Or thinking like a knee kick to the chest. Enough to give you someone athletic. You know? Sure. To be able to push myself back. To here. But that kind of goes back to feet in the mat. Yeah. Totally. When you. Here. I'm coming. I'm trying to open my hips. Here. Yeah. Go right side. Yeah. You're bringing your. I'll get a little bit more turn to help. You're bringing opposite leg behind you. So you're basically high legging over. In the air. Here. Yeah. I feel like I'm going to put my feet in the spot. My shoulder's not high too. Maybe my little lower. Here. Yeah. That's a little bit more. Healing wizard. Force pull out. What did Mike show at your camp? Hand fight stuff? Mike now? Split. Split's chasing the corner. Got my pressure released things? No penetration. Yeah. That's just me getting old trying to figure out how to still attack legs. I just come up on all this stuff. So how's the two of us? We got those in camp too. I was just like. Let me know. Sorry. I'm trying to go split step. Oh yeah. It's just time to be old and be very, very calculated with our bend over. It's a way to grab a leg stuff. On that ankle pass. Split the leg. This guy comes over. That's what we were talking about. If I double leg. And he passes the leg. Some of the new technique of defending is getting my leg over. And then as he bellies down. Popping and getting my knee and his shin. The one you just like. When you first teach kids how kids roll, is it like here past me? Yeah. Go on and stop. I'm not just doing. Ask him. But you're still coming up. But if I can get that hip down. That's why I like that. And that's why I don't really teach the high leg over much. Is because that finish is probably the one finish that can beat the high leg. But he can get that. I'll get caught every now and then. Because I get so comfortable in my leg pass. Not getting stopped. But if I'm. If I get here. Get to this pass. He tries to high leg over. And I get here. Yeah. Even with his foot behind him. That's what we teach. That foot behind him and keep that hip off. Yeah. But if I get here. I get there quick. But if I'm just normally trying to pass a leg. And knee slide out the back door. He'll beat me every time. So if I'm just trying to pass a leg here. Knee slide out the back door. I'm going to get sprawled on here. Because I don't have my hip down. And my elbow above the knee. You know if I don't have my elbow above the knee. Even if I'm down here. On my pass. Yeah. I'm not going to be able to sit. But I'm going to have to work my elbow above the knee. And I'm going to start feeling. Getting my feet back in the mat. That's what I was telling him. When you high leg. And put your foot in the mat. And drive back into it. That's how we teach. Oh. You want to put that. You mean the butt over? Yeah. No. That's what he's doing. Yeah. Because you're kind of sitting. So he's passing. Passing. I'm passing here. And I talk about heels to my butt. Shoulder to the knee. Palm to the sole. Right. So I don't pass bent legs. See that's what I was saying. We always have to pass straight legs. So as I get this leg part of my body. My feet are driving. So even when he does high leg over. I can get this. Absolutely. Yeah. But that way. I like his position. Oh no. I'm just thinking about it. Even if I get stuck here. Yeah. Even if I get this here. And we got here a bunch just far and a minute ago. Even if I can't get my left hip down and sit back. What I can do. Lift it up. Start working. Yeah. It doesn't matter. Because this is the way I think about scrambling. I got to have more feet in the mat. And I got to have one. Or both of his feet off the mat. But not just off the mat. Weight towards his head. Yeah. Because that makes him unathletic. That's why I like watching you. Because I feel the same way. All right. But this dude never asks me what I'm at. I feel like. What he thinks. Like I can't do it. I can't do it. Right. Like I talked about before. Before you guys even got here. He was successful. Because he was so creative. But his creativity. Most people would say that's bad technique. That's bad technique. And then when it started working at a high level. That's good technique. That's good technique. Right. You've been through that your whole life for sure. That's bad technique. Don't turn that way. That's bad technique. Turn the other way. Your head on this side. And then he kept doing it. And kept winning. They were like hey. That's good technique. Keep doing it. Same thing happened to Joey Lazer. When he got to UNI. And Schwab finally was like okay. That's good technique. Do it. You know what I'm embracing. Look where he came from. Yeah. He couldn't have come from a worse place. To teach a guy like. To coach a guy like Joey Lazer. You know there was just like him. Just everything you think that feels right to do. Do the opposite. But some of that's just. Not good in that coaching. But it's fading the way you think about it. 100%. At least over the last 10 years. And stopped saying bad good technique. We said. I wouldn't normally do it like that. Does it work at a high level? If it works at a high level. Good technique. If it works for you. At a high level. Good technique. But even as a coach. I don't want to. Oh no. You know I wouldn't normally do it like this. Instead of saying good and bad. Because so many coaches do that. Your ability to beat. Hard Thursday practices. Or here's a concept. Go play. And then bring it back in. What is everybody feeling? Yeah. They almost coach the whole practice themselves. Yeah. But the good thing is I'm getting to watch how my guys process. Bro. I get to show them a concept. Say make the guy push back into you. And then get a leg attack. That's the concept. And then I'm watching guys. I'm watching guys release. With a side step. Or a misdirection step. And then I'm watching guys release. And just disappear. I'm watching guys still trying to penetrate. When they don't need to. And then I'm starting to see. Where everybody's brains is at. Because I didn't pre-program. Right. I didn't pre-program to drive, drive, drive. Then when they drive back. Step left. Step right. Right hand to the anchor. Single leg. I just say get them to pressure back in. Find a leg attack. Find a take down. And then I get so much feedback from them. And you can coach more individualized. And you can create more critical thinking. 100%. It's more coaching and teaching. Dude and you're a teacher. You come from that whole process, man. It's critical thinking. It's problem solving. And convincing them that they have to learn how to problem solve. So long felt like that if I didn't come in. And give them two hours of machine. What's my system? Technique. Whistle. I mean I've never blown a whistle at practice. But I mean whistle starts. That I wouldn't do on my job as a coach. Because I get them what four or five days a week. Right. Limited amount of time. Ten hours. Ten hours a week. That's nothing in the grand scheme of things. So I'm like I gotta get it in. But then their creative side dies. The Jason Welch and them dies. Like for real. You know what I'm saying? Because it's stifled. It's smothered. It's all this routine robotic stuff. Which we have to do. But dude one day a week and just watching them go. And some kids will leave practice and not get a ton. But that's their problem because they didn't engage. Right. I've had kids that are second practice. You know their first practice was Wednesday. Their second practice was Thursday. And I'm like man I'm not gonna do it today. Because I got a bunch of new kids. I do it. They figure it out. Their parents might be looking at me like what is this? What am I paying for? You know what I'm saying? I hate to get my kid coached. Not my kid that coached himself. But man once they start figuring that out. Imagine. I mean you had to do it. Because you were inventing your own style. So you were coaching yourself at a young age. Whether you realized it or not. Right. You had so many good coaches too. How was your dad the main guy? Yeah I think for that it was just like. There were so many that ended up being like self coaching. So like we had a small group of like. Guys looked like a personal real estate club. And we'd go to the clinic clinic. We'd go here for a club for a few months. And it was just kind of like all piecemeal. And bring it back and be like oh what is this? And just troubleshoot like you said. Just created like hey this is working. This isn't working. Fill, fill, fill. But this feels good to me. Yeah. Why does it feel good to me? And can we make it work? You know what I'm saying? Like he showed me that high leg. It feels terrible to me. But if I spend some time in it. Right. You know then it maybe starts feeling good. Or maybe I change something that works for me. As opposed to his exact way. Well that's the most right. How do you get in wraps without running a practice that's just. That's like I said I just chose one day a week. That this is going to be our conceptual practice. And that's what we're going to do. So show up with a sharp freaking mind. It's not it's not physically intense. You know it can be once we get rolling. If everybody starts feeling themselves we'll get going. But if we just think and problem solve for an hour. I have two hours. I'm fine with that. Because man I'm telling you. The more I coach our higher level guys. The more I realized I've conditioned them. You know we're 12 years into our club. The more I realize I've conditioned them. Practice mindset. To where a lot of those guys just walk in and their brain shuts off. And they just get ready to work. You know so I start talking to them about purposeful work. Purposeful work isn't just coming in and doing what I ask you. Purposeful work is coming in. And being engaged here. But also being engaged here. I got to feel good about what I'm doing too. You know what I'm saying. So my heart's in it. And I'm feeling like I'm making gains while I'm engaged. And while I'm creating new concepts for me. I'm not just doing what coach is yelling at me. I'm not just doing what's listed on the drill board on the wall. You know and that's where when you release a little bit of the control as a coach. You start to panic a little bit. Because that's what you're so used to. These guys are here for me to guide them. And I'm asking them to guide themselves for today. You know but man the growth that they get. Just by learning how to problem solve on their own. Or at least that makes them go out. And then come back and say hey coach. I'm here. I'm stuck. Whereas most kids if you just run a practice they won't ask you one question. You think about how many practices camps you ran. There'll be 100 kids at camp and 2 kids at the kids that ask questions. You know. To me that doesn't tell me they're not engaged. But if they're asking questions I know they're engaged. I'm 100% confirmed they're engaged. You know. But I'm lucky enough to get to do this many camps. To see this many different skill levels. And backgrounds. And walks of life. And cultures. And geographic locations. That I get a huge division of all of it. As opposed to when I'm in my club. You know. When I'm in my club. You know. It's my guys. You know. And I know them. And I know their tendencies. And you know. I kind of know what they're going to bring to them. Bring to the mat room every day. And like. This is what I'm going to do. For it. Let's change it to here. You know. That makes me. That makes me problem solved. That makes me problem solved the way I teach stuff. The way I articulate. The way I progress. You know. Like I didn't know that pressure at least though. It was going to fly today. It could have been a disaster. You know. Because we did single legs a lot in hand fighting yesterday. And we did okay. But that's a much different concept. That most kids have never felt before. You know. It's been pretty good. I mean as long as they understand. Disappear. They'll get to something. Man. We're starting to get chunks in. Right. We're getting chunks. You know. So I mean. By no means man. I got it figured out. I mean. I stayed after the Wabash camp. After I did.