 So topic three yes moving up. Yep. You want to go topic sure I'll just have a three because there's a little little more behind this. So We went to E3 last year, right? Yeah, that would be first trip to E3 So worth it. Um, you know, we went only because of Zelda and it ended up being amazing. Oh, yeah Expensive unplanned expenses, which sucked. Yeah, but amazing. It's just what will now if we ever go again I've make sure we go through a better trip Yeah, planning. Yeah. Yeah to make sure that we work all the costs or for sure guarantee that yeah Yeah, it's something that I think if I go again, I'm like, I'm making a travel advisor in on it. Yeah Yeah, yeah, true. True. Try to make sure that we know what all the costs are up front before we go But yeah, that's besides the point. That's not E3's fault that we had to make travel arrangements. It happens in LA it's just where it is so E3 is doing something that it's never done before At least never done like this and they say at least E3 is claiming that it is now going to be open to the public this year What yeah, like open to the public. It's always been a media event Yeah, or or an event masked as a media event because it's it's not that hard to get a media badge I'm just saying that like this isn't any offense to the group at ESA And I don't necessarily want them to have stricter requirements because I don't think Audience size like if you have any sort of audience even if it's only like a hundred people that watch you a week like you should You matter to those hundred people, right exactly Yeah, you know my always concern is that people that give the media badges that go there just to enjoy E3 and they don't provide anything That's always bothered me. Yeah, I get the media badge if you're not gonna provide anything, right? That's definitely. Yeah. Yeah, there are so many other events you can go to where it's not as well But like this event like I'm trying to do my job, you know, you you just sit there in that line for three hours You know, how many of these people are here to do a job, right? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, definitely But that's always been an open criticism and maybe this is gonna make me a little more critical of this But Well, let me just explain what they're doing. So they are opening to opening to the public Not unlimited, of course, there's only limited no right. Yeah, but they're gonna they're gonna be selling 15,000 tickets. Okay These tickets are probably already on sale by the time you hear this podcast Yeah, because they go on sale tomorrow, which is the day after we recorded this So when you hear this it would have already been on sale Sorry about that guys, but it's okay. They're probably still at this price those 15,000 tickets There is going to be an early adopter So if you get in on it, I don't know if it's day one day, too They didn't really go into the details, but obviously starting on day one. You can do it There'll be a hundred fifty dollars To get a ticket to go And then obviously later on, I don't know if it'll be at the I don't know if it'll be closer to June Or if it'll be like at the door if they haven't sold the tickets You could walk up literally the day like during E3 and buy a ticket, right? Those will be two hundred and fifty dollars so one This is gonna make E3 more relevant Than it already is which is crazy because already the biggest gaming show in the world in terms of I don't want to say in terms of Viewership per se, but in terms of announcements. Yeah This is the one of their press conferences like all the big people show up. Yeah, yeah, definitely Or most I mean there was booths on top of booths on top of booths It was it was a habit that like gamescom and Tokyo game show like like those have more attendees But they don't seem to garner as much attention because there's not as many new announcements Like E3 is like that's like a party people take off for E3. So they can watch live streams for a week. Oh, yeah So It's it, you know They're opening up to the public for 15,000 people which for me as a media member Sucks in some ways because some of the lines are already impossibly long, right? But I also think this is almost a change E3 needed to do and This isn't speaking as someone who's attending it because I'll you know, we went one time We don't have the decade of experience, right? Yeah, how awesome E3 used to be compared to where it is Right. Yeah, it's been scaled back like what we saw was Zelda what we saw were like the mafia 3 booth Yep, like apparently that used to be a norm and now rarely anybody goes all out like that and I understand why it's expensive, right? Yeah So a big a big reason It's obviously that it's expensive to build those booths also expensive for those people to be there And that the ESA group that runs it wasn't necessarily viewing it as something that was extremely beneficial and Every other event out there even when it's advertised as a media event like gamescom You can get a media badge for it still open to the public public and still buy tickets to go. Yeah, I want to go Yep, E3 was like the last one not doing it. So they're doing it now Well, 15,000 is enough or whether it's a good number. I don't know. Maybe it's conservative. Yeah, you know They're trying their first year. So it's the first you're doing it. They you know As an example, what's what what I hate about that what about this is that? Just imagining that there was 15,000 more people there Well, that's saying that they don't cut back some of the Other stuff though, too. Well, I cut back. What I yeah, I would hate to say media credentials, but you never know Yeah, I don't think so. Yeah Well, there's a couple other different types of credentials to weren't there? What there was a couple different other types of No, they're the exhibit okay, okay, so it was just the exhibitors media basically in a way. Um, there was okay, so let me explain Public has actually always been able to attend E3 But it really wasn't something the public was going to do because you had to pay a thousand dollars to get in yeah and There were like consumer badges or something. I can't remember. There's oh, yeah Yep, so yeah the media badges we don't we don't pay to go like to get in and do things because we're there for a job That's that's the idea of the media badge. You're there for your job, right? You're there to cover things and covering things helps keep you through popular because it brings it to people who aren't there So like that's why you get in for free As I explained it wasn't it's not for we live in Wisconsin It's thousands of dollars for us to make that country right but anyway, so it's appreciative We don't have to spend any extra for our tickets There's exhibitor ones which I also assume are probably free because they're the people that work at companies that are at E3 Presenting something right whether it's a booth whether it's an immediate either that or I'm guessing the company Pays for yeah, we're some somewhere you have a game, you know there And so the whole development team gets gets a pass even though they're not doing anything We're playing other people's games right is what it is It's kind of a perk of you paid money to have your game here, right? Yeah Yeah, you're gonna be able to go enjoy the show So we saw that we like we didn't realize the perks of our media badges until like the final day that we didn't Yeah, you could have been in the front of the lines every time. Yeah, and I assume even with the public badges That's so gonna be true media gonna be able to walk in early, right? Yeah, because again media that are doing a job and you know, maybe we have interviews set up Maybe we have you know, maybe we don't but we want to get that hands-on experience and get all the footage and all It's like it's easier to do that when you're in there early and can get prepared like now I have a stand for a camera. So you know this time, I don't have to worry about you holding it I can get things set up or a right away or an E3 member holding it. Yeah, and not doing it. Yeah Yeah, I'm making it our job much more difficult, which again not their fault should have planned better ahead, but I like that they're opening to the public just at a level because based on what I have heard E3 has been kind of losing a little relevance and This past E3 they did something. I think it was EA and went to sponsored it or something There was an outdoor event for that was oh, yep. Yep. Yeah was EA. Yep. Yep So you couldn't like public people couldn't go To the show floor, but they could go to this public event which was separate from it And the weird thing about to least the weird thing to me about this public event is There were some demos at that event that weren't on the show floor, right? So it was like even as a media person like oh, I gotta go to them and yeah We get into it with our media passes, but um, it it was weird. Yeah, it's really was two separate events. Yep We can attempt both of them. There's not really a lot of direction on where to go for it No, there's not and not a lot of signs and then you have oh then even once you get to that thing It really wasn't signed very well Like public, you know, I'm sure they had to pay money for a pass or whatever I don't know because I didn't look into it right, but they could go to it But they couldn't come back to the show it was it's just really strange And I almost feel like that must have been a big enough success of the like we need to open the doors Mm-hmm. Yeah Media still get early access, but we need to open the doors to the public and let them in because Ultimately, what is e3 serve customers, right? Like it is a tech a tech show a video game show to Sell things to people and the easiest way to get them to sell is let them in Yeah, and 150 dollars a pop. I don't even I haven't done the math That's all that's a lot of money they can make great. They're gonna sell a 15,000 at 150 But I mean even if they did and it wasn't it hit the 250 mark They just all sold on day one. Yeah 15,000 people bought it. I said definitely possible. Um, like that's a lot of money, man Oh, yeah Extra money going in their pockets just to let more people through the door. Yeah Now I wonder the one thing I do wonder because because we don't know this other gonna explain more about this as it goes I do wonder if there's going to be Like like there was a time like e3 is open now from this time to this time Yeah, these days and apparently we could have got in you know half hour early or up Yeah, if we wanted you're right, which we did do the last day. Yeah, so if all this stuff I wonder if the public access there'll be a lot of access it But they'll even have even a little more limited time. Yeah, like okay Like media can come come in like early and get in line and then exhibitors and everyone else comes in at 10 And then public hits at noon, right? So like you get that two-hour window and I always say this because Unless you have something set up ahead of time like what like Technically we did not to wait in line for breath a while any of e3 We could have went and waited in line for other games if we wanted to yeah We were just we had a booth tour set up with Nintendo where we weren't gonna have to wait We could just go and play the game. Yeah, but since we went behalf of Zeldin former We obviously were just going to cover Zelda or that was the primary reason we were there So we like that's what we were there three days in a row. We played zola. Oh, every single day I think oh, oh, yeah, and it was amazing every time. That was it was crazy But like this game, you know some damage like oh, it's just the same demo every time It's the same demo, but you're doing different things every time Oh, yeah, definitely unless you're mean beating step talus three times to be a footage issues I'm great, which I actually upset me because I wanted to get footage of me trying to kill the Guardian, but yeah, anyways Sorry, I'm a little sour or something that I really I don't know if I should be so I mean sour or the attitude I guess then yeah, yeah You know it's as a media member Last year was an anomaly and our Nintendo only had one game and it was three hour wait So it's like yeah one game three hour away the public's there well, I suppose it won't break and the only way You might even get to play it well The thing is another thing I could see is actually having like a media line and a public line I don't think that you don't think so no where too much of a hassle you think no I don't know that it's like oh, so we get priority media media just keep going in circles. Well, yeah, we're I mean you take like Let's say you have ten people you take eight media and two or three media have the ability to do things like we did Wait, right, but I mean they're they're doing a job and if they can't get into the thing to actually do their job You know yeah, it's a catch-22. Yeah, that's what said like I know like you guys at home like I'll look at these two entitled, you know, Pete. Yeah, like oh man They just want to keep that a through this like no, I want you guys to be able to go right. Oh, definitely it was falling I Growing up as a kid E3 was like a dream. Oh, it definitely when I started as all the informer We used to talk me and the old staff back in the day about How awesome it would be if we could get into E3 and then now we've been able to get into for a while We've sent Zeldin former said people now like five years in a row just never was me because we there's coverage out of the event we need people to cover it so I was always back making sure we covered it and it It's an amazing experience that it is I'm never gonna forget and I'm hoping I get to go back some day Yeah, right. It's hard and hard for me as I get older because I have three kids But I mean someday I would like to go ahead some day I would like to you me and my girlfriend. I'll go yeah, I think she would even enjoy some aspect She hasn't right. Yeah, there's that which but if I get her so do I but I get her immediate badge Get in the head of the rush and don't get trampled like I did the day one. Yeah. Oh my god Yeah, and then we lost your badge my badge like and here's the thing like you lose. I'm eating but you don't get another one No, you don't get another bad. So like you leave as you pay for you're done. Yeah, I got lucky and someone turned it in but Turn it into the desk. Thankfully. I'm assuming it was someone who worked there, but For all there was a scary moment on day one where I'm like I just spent like thousands to be out here And now I can't right like this is day one like this isn't day three. It's day one day one hour one Minute ten I'm gonna line to play Zelda one time and I'm done I'm gonna sit around for the next few days doing what I could have did at home and save money Like it's like left my family at home like this sucks. All of you throw the Dodger game goes. Yeah Let me tell you we made sure it was a fun trip to LA We know we did a lot of work a lot of late nights. Oh, yeah, but Podcast night. I was fun. It's still one of the most watched Southern for a podcast ever Yeah, with all of us in person like that was that was a fun podcast If you guys ever well, you know go over to Zeldin former actually With we I think as far as I'm aware, we're still posting this on the Zeldin former YouTube channel That's not the center prime channel. So if you go to our playlist for Zeldin former It's really weird. Basically the Zeldin former YouTube channel was handed over to me But there's like a contract dispute now. So like maybe it's gonna be handed back I have no idea but assuming that we still have that channel. This is where it's still published go to the Zeldin former Playlist for the podcast. Just go back to June last year There's an excellent episode in there if you want to hear Some great impressions about Breath of the Wild from people very first time playing it not knowing all that we know today just awesome Man and that's what's all of us fighting through traffic like it took us like five hours back to the hotel Yeah, it took and the same part is like an extra two. It's only what eight miles. Yeah nine miles La and during rush hour. Yeah, I'm not a apparently I'm not an aggressive driver take the inner state All right, yeah, I'm not an aggressive driver, so it was really hard for me to drive in LA I'm watching after after driving back that day. I made him drive those things He's he's a lot more comfortable being aggressive driving than I am I Can be when I have to be I know you're just like you're like cut him off and I'm like It's LA like I'm Wisconsin. Oh, I know so mine, but we don't do that Yeah, I get that I am not going to conform to crazy California drivers I am going to be the nice guy, which means I am gonna be the guy never makes it home, right? Anyways, that's just how it is in LA You know the thing is it wasn't I think it was me that bag is like we arrived at like 3 a.m. Or something that's like there really wasn't that bad driving from the airport. Yeah, right? Yeah Oh my god, this is an action out of bed like everyone's real traffic. I'm like guys. It's nothing Yeah, no now that was until we had to come back. It wasn't even that bad driving there. No, it was when we had to come back Yeah, yeah back because we always we always ended up having to turn left into our into our hotel for some ungodly reason And the hotel like and I don't think it was that hotel only like all the hotel signups like everything is so packed in Yeah, and just so but we were just down from a stop light So there was mass traffic backed up sure in front of our hotel and every time we had to try to turn left through it And it was just absolutely crazy. Yeah, like I swore one time you were gonna clip that. Oh, no I had plenty room you plenty of room plenty of room. Yeah, well your room like literally I don't know if I can fit a piece of paper in between that's oh, no, there was plenty of room, okay? Oh my god, I thought for sure was accident. I'm like and thing is there's a rental car I mean, that's why we do have the rental insurance on the car. So like maybe I want to been screwed But still felt like I would have been screwed paper work. Anyways, I definitely want to go to the deposit back, which I Don't just still don't even know if I ever got that Yeah, great. I just still the car cost it ended up being like 700 by the end. Yeah, it was ridiculous anyways So either he's open to the public I I guess setting aside my Me not wanting to wait and even longer lines, right I think it's actually a really cool thing and I do too I think if you're a media member out there that maybe like oh man Like is it worth going to you three now like if you're like me like it's gonna cost a lot of money You're gonna have to wait in really really long lines and you might not get all the coverage you want Be more proactive about setting but taking advantage of the factory media I worked at zealand former a relatively, you know, it's a decent size site out there but relatively small site traffic-wise and I was able to easily set up a boot tour with Nintendo which includes playing whatever games you wanted to play and I think if you know You're working at any other publication that covers other types of games You know, so you cover Sony stuff or EA. Yeah, you know, whatever make a shot You can get with them Well, glad they did the same thing. Oh, I'm sure like there's a lot There was a lot of private areas there that you would see media members coming in and out of So just you just gotta be more proactive You might not get the interviews like we didn't get any interviews, but you could still get access to the stuff without the lines So it's just something to keep in mind and You know, honestly if you've gone to any other event like Max and stuff like that's how it kind of works there, too So just I think my biggest thing is is ask questions. Do not be afraid to ask questions And I was afraid. Yeah, cuz I'm like, I wanted to sound stupid, right? It's okay to sound stupid Especially if it's the first time there. Yeah, hey, even if it's your hundredth time there ask questions So like now that's open to the public and you're not paying a thousand dollars You're paying a price that's somewhat affordable and like an NFL football game The other thing with three-day event is I'm wondering is that a full three-day of Pass or $150 they have revealed all the information. Yeah, that could be that could be another thing I you know, I don't know because at the same point in time you figure it be Better for them if they did it just as a one-day pass You'd figure. Yeah, but I don't know, but it's also that hype of when you buy a three-day pass I'm sure you probably can but I don't Again, we don't know. Yeah, it's basically or yeah ESA has just said this is the thing they're doing and thing is it starts the sale of miles So all the details are gonna be coming out But you guys probably gonna know more about it than we do right now Because obviously you're not gonna buy something not knowing if it's a one-day or three-day pass like you're gonna know right So yeah, that's I don't know I think this is good overall because E3 was shrinking and with now that publishers and companies know There's a fresh injection of 15,000 people from the public coming that they want to impress They're gonna come back. They're gonna come back strong And I think we're gonna see that this is gonna because there are not so much in the Nintendo isn't like the West part not so much in the West Wing area That was pretty packed because that's like where Sony Microsoft and Nintendo, right? Yeah, so like there were other big companies in there, but it didn't feel like there was a lot of extra space The one wing however. Yeah, there was a lot of extra space in it where mafia 3 was yeah Yeah, that's not that Area but off to the back side of the back side of a lot of empty space Yeah, and even some of the booths that were they kind of scattered out a little bit back They're like really that great. No You know, you could see why there was no reason people were really going back there And so like there's a lot of space left for more companies to get involved. So I think I Think that's the hope they bring this in yes A makes all the money off the ticket sales and it entices companies to revalue it again Cuz I think that's a criticism that some of the companies that skip E3 is like Why are we going to E3 when our customers aren't there, right? Yeah, we can go interact with them directly in packs We can go interact on directly Tokyo game show or yeah games comp. So this is like ESA's answer like look We'll have 15,000 in yeah, definitely a lot. Yeah Word of mouth you're gonna get it out if you show up here. So I think this is a healthy thing for you three I personally I'm gonna drive it next time I go. Oh, definitely Well, again again future plans like it like like a booth tour You know, I'm gonna have to clarify does that boot tour include a demo of every single Nintendo game, right? Or am I only gonna play one right and I'm only gonna play one I get to choose to turn it is Mm-hmm, so I know what I have to get in line for do it, you know, like you're just gonna do a lot more planning and hopefully Hopefully hopefully I Can get Nintendo just to fly me out there. That'd be nice. Won't that be nice? Yes, it would be Also, you got to keep in mind though to in future planning. This is their first year So I think it is gonna be kind of a cluster in a learning year Yeah, but I think as the years go on if they keep doing this I think it they'll eventually find a way to streamline it and you won't even notice. Yeah, and I said the idea is to Make it worthwhile right To make companies want to show up since less and less companies have been showing up