 Hey welcome back my next guest made history five years ago by becoming the world's first pregnant man His name is Thomas Beattie. His story drew worldwide media attention headlines around the world after he gave birth to three children with his wife Nancy well now Thomas is making headlines again. Take a look In 2007 Thomas Beattie shocked the world with shirtless photos of himself with a beard and a baby bump Beattie was born a woman had his breasts removed but kept his female reproductive organs He was dubbed the world's first pregnant man and gave birth three separate times Yay, are you a gymnast this past May be defiled for divorce from his wife Nancy and not without controversy An Arizona judge is questioning whether Beattie was a woman at the time of his marriage Same-sex unions are not recognized in Arizona Which means Beattie's marriage could be ruled as invalid and denied a divorce Beattie is once again making international headlines and what he is calling a fight for validation We're just like any other relationship or marriage, and we tried very hard to make it work And Thomas Beattie joins me now along with his attorney David Cantor appreciate both of you being with us, so So Thomas when when did you and your wife break up? We physically separated back in March when I filed for separation and there was a protective order But basically I weren't my wedding ring for your prior to that and you have custody of the kids I have sole custody right now. We share parenting time and you got married in Hawaii and where they recognized you as a man and But now in Arizona this judge is he just not recognizing you as a man and therefore saying the whole marriage never happened Or it wasn't valid well potentially that could be the case As far as I knew everything was moving forward normally We're supposed to finalize the divorce back a couple months ago And the judge is thinking it's out of jurisdiction and potentially could rule it as a same-sex marriage So what do you want to see happen? Well, we want the judge to say that this was a valid marriage and grant a valid divorce And why is he not doing that? Well, the judge the judge believes that because Thomas kept his reproductive organs and didn't sterilize himself That he was still a woman when he got married and that's not how the law works I mean it's fairly simple. He had the surgery and a doctor signed off that he had valid sex change surgery He got a new birth certificate a new driver's license and that allowed him to get a marriage license in Hawaii Same rules apply in Arizona and nowhere in the law Does it say that he needs to sterilize himself in order to have a valid sex change? So what is it? I mean just emotionally. What does it feel like? To have this judge kind of say you're not a male Well, it's it's very frustrating. I mean I live my life I know who I am in someone else's opinion even though it's a judge's opinion. It's not going to change that I'm a I'm Thomas. I'm husband. I'm father I'm a man. Here we are if if if the if the judge though continues to say your marriage wasn't legal then I mean it gets you what you want anyway, which is separation from your ex-wife, right? I mean it'd be the easiest thing for me to do. Okay, fine You know nullify the marriage you like it never even happened but it did it did happen and I was married to Nancy for almost 10 years We we paid taxes. We bought and sold homes We started a family together and I want that to be validated and it's it's being challenged right now So if I back down from it, we all lose And it would give what happens I mean what if this judge stands by it and says no I don't recognize you as a man. Therefore your marriage was valid. Is there another recourse? Well, we'll appeal it to a higher court But by him saying that this wasn't a valid marriage it has the effect of pardon the term But it bastardizes Thomas's children first of all because they weren't born in a valid marriage Secondly, he's saying that immediately Thomas. I feel that you're still a woman So Thomas could walk into a woman's restroom immediately. He could marry a man in front of this same judge immediately and of course It raises all sorts of other questions And if he did that Hawaii could prosecute him for polygamy because Hawaii says he is currently a married man