 Hello, everyone. Hope you can hear me okay. Welcome to the urban design online open house. We're very happy to have you join us this morning. I'm here. My name is Kate or if I'm the director of the program, along with associate director David smiley say hello David. And we also have good morning. Good morning. We also have three alums of the program. Herman Victor and what was the third one. Thank you. Thank you. On the line. Thanks for joining. So you have a great cross section of people with different interests and backgrounds and who have used their degrees differently. So thanks Herman Victor and Praditi for joining. We have a brief slide presentation for you this morning just to give you a sense of the program. I'm going to go up for Q&A and I'll ask also ask Herman Victor and Praditi just to say a few words about their experience and sort of what they're working on now. And there should be ample time for Q&A by all so you can feel free to put questions in the chat after the presentation and or just unmute yourselves and we'll we'll speak up and I'll stop sharing screen. Welcome. Glad you're here. This, we are a post professional urban design degree program. And you can find us at this link the arch.columbia.edu backslash ms urban design link. And I would just encourage everyone to go on to that link and also in particular, hit the circle button that says publications page because a great measure of every program is is the work of the students and you can see just the amazing work of the students that's cited in so many different ways around the United States in the world as exemplary of an urban design program degree so that publications page kind of unlocks a lot of the student work from the past. We're on Twitter at Columbia UD and on Instagram at gsep underscore a UD and that Instagram is mostly just share and and former student work as well so you get a good sense of that. So here we are Kate and David the program leaders, and you, you can find us on the fourth floor of Avery Hall snapshot of Columbia University, you know, even though you would be a student in the urban design program. The vast intellectual and cultural resources of the university. Once you matriculate as a student. There's just an array of concerts and, you know, many many programs that you have access to once you are part of Columbia not to mention the incredible library system and this is a view of our iconic south facing low library steps. So, again, this is Avery Hall, and our work takes place mostly in Avery and the adjacent building fair weather. The lights are on we it's, it's a beautiful building was originally a library. And now it houses the architecture school studios and and a number of you know, administration offices, etc. It's just a fantastic setting here in Manhattan, New York so when you come to Columbia GSAP you also get to take advantage of they, you know this the city of New York as part of our learning lab. And here we are we're on our program offices on the fourth floor. If you were able to come in person yesterday you would have seen our office. So, just quickly, I would say that we are unique in the sense that, although we're an MA UD program master of art design, and holistically at global urbanization as a process, and really kind of nest that within a study of the climate so now the ways that we are living in cities and landscapes around the world are increasingly untenable and require new forms of research and design thought and attention. So we really test the agency of the designer thinking about larger scales of territory and as and really approach the entire process as a gradient of inhabited landscapes. Focusing on energy mobility capital and social inequality, in addition to physical form and design in terms of built, you know buildings and physical landscapes. So students that come to Columbia, just learn a lot of things like you will learn urban design but you will learn to be systems thinkers. You will learn how to communicate complexity, how your design work can be driven by an attention to engagement and kind of procreation. You will learn to collaborate with others which is frankly the key to success in the workplace. And you will learn how to tell stories build narratives and visualize these complex systems. The, the urban design program since its founding has been a leader in thinking about social justice and has a strong humanitarian ethos. And so we're really complex using and looking at all the complexity of these systems that really comprise urbanism today. This is an example of just an in person review. That's David on the right some longtime teachers in front of us and on the, you know sitting on a panel. This for example, was, you know, just an example of a student group working together, some very beautiful and complex graphics. And we both work in Avery Hall and outside of the hall. This is my, my seminar when we're touring resilience project of lower Manhattan with the projects designers and engineers. So we literally did a walk around the base of Manhattan and understood the complexity of integrating this system into lower Manhattan. The projects are really out in the world, even though we do work very hard within the four walls of Avery Hall, we also go outside and understand Manhattan and New York at large and the sort of New York region. This is just an example of end of year show kind of celebrating the work of the studio for graduation, we typically have, you know, quite a celebration so you can see somebody peering behind a column there and their graduation attire but Columbia graduation, a great affair and you know very, you know, celebratory and we get to show show the work within our studio and fair weather and or, and we also have an online exhibit that I'll show you in a bit. So, David and I are going to discuss the pedagogical goals and the program structure. It's a fairly clear and beautiful structure and I'm going to hand it over to you to talk about the seminars David, but the studio is, it's a unique program and that there is a three semester sequence you start in June. It's really clear in terms of what and how you learn and how that is sequenced up relative to scale and geography. So you start with New York City, with Professor Saki Golan and Nozbo as coordinators, the summer semester is that first semester. You're really learning tools you're taking urban theory, reading New York urbanism, and you'll be very have a very, you know, carefully tailored digital technology course that aims to cater to you, your skills, your gaps and and try to get everybody to kind of a baseline level relative to the software and the program that we use. So the second semester is led by Professor Emmanuel Adamasou. He's really focused on the larger urbanized region, and then the third semester is led by me, and it's a global scale. So quickly, David, do you want to speak to the New York City studio. This is your summer. Great. In the next semester we introduce you to New York City or I should say Metro Metropolitan New York sometimes we go to New Jersey, or out on Long Island. But it's all about the, the, the, the kind of life outside of the core of the city you've all seen pictures of Times Square and other great New York monuments, but in fact we, we kind of move out from that and show the systems and complexities. And the kind of on the ground life of very different parts of the city. We have collaborative systems and this is just a typical scene where students are two groups of students are working on their, their analyses of certain reasons I can see. I think I see Jamaica Bay in the back and on the tip of Manhattan. So these students will be working on basically one or two neighborhoods and they'll focus on social life, cultural life, ecologies and ecological questions, and just really stress for you, the collaborative nature of all of our work. One of the seminars that's part of the studio is learning how to talk to people and interview people and, and kind of create narratives on a video with various tools and different equipment. So we want everyone to be comfortable with going out of the world and, and asking people questions and learning from people who use a place or visit a place. So this is a kind of key moment that comes back and forth all the time in this video. This is just again that was just another review going on a kind of midterm where there's a bunch of critics and there's a bunch of students and there's a kind of discussion. It's all about collaborative collaboration. And even the critics in the room some other planner summer architect summer community organization representatives. It's it's really about the kind of shared learning process for everyone on both sides of that, the student standing and my critics sitting. I would just add before before before we discuss the second semester that I don't want to get too much away but we're starting to revamp the summer course and studio title and we're going to call it the 530 studio which is representing the 530 linear miles of New York's waterfront so we're going to all of you will have a very exciting framework for, for your, for your summer work. I also want to take that studio and be a part of it it'll be, it'll be a great one. The second semester is really focused on regional change land property race ecological politics, housing and social infrastructure, and our professor, Emmanuel, Edma Sue is leading this in fact our current students are heading to Atlanta. When is it David tomorrow I think this week this week yet. Do you want to talk a little more about Atlanta after property as well. The Atlanta studio covers the Atlanta region not just the center of Atlanta and it examines in great detail the kind of ways in which policy land ownership and property values and communities input or community not having input in the landscapes of Atlanta. So it takes on it approaches social and racial inequalities head on and we work with community groups, and you can go to the next image. Yes. And it started as a kind of as those some of you may know or recall that that this started out as a kind of very much of a critique of what we were worried about in American politics and American policies with respect to how cities are governed how cities are run. So, we took this head on, especially during the period of racial unrest that took place in the past, most, most different sleep in the past five years. The studio looks at reevaluating how neighborhoods work how property relations work how housing systems can work with respect to ecologies and built infrastructures so this is a this is a kind of revamped and renovated neighborhood along one of the regional infrastructures where students are asked to really delve into on the ground realities. This is a complex drawing that shows different ways to reuse not necessarily to read to build a new but to reuse existing systems infrastructures and help communities really deal with their kind of their social life and what is called a kind of infrastructure of care, where care is framed as a kind of critique of urbanization of the past 100 or 200 years, instead of focuses on how to reuse and rethink ways in which streets can work neighborhoods social resources can work. And Emmanuel is has really taken the lead on this. This is the second year of teaching this, and the students are really thrilled to understand something about an American city that, in many ways, talks about inequalities that that are global in most ways of thinking about it, but are also very specific to specific physical landscapes, ecologies, political and kind of convention and policy systems. This is a remaking of a neighborhood through inserting new social infrastructures into a new context. And this is just, this is a rendering a kind of sample of a kind of complex urbanism that overlays existing with new infrastructures, especially so social infrastructures that have to deal with health, and, and kind of public ways of communicating. Yeah, and David you mentioned something I just wanted to underline which is that Columbia and you'll see from our, our, our alums that will speak. Today is just an incredibly global case, like your, your, your classmates will be from Peru, China, India, Indonesia, you know, Columbia, all over the world so it's really quite a global cohort, which is, which is just an incredible strength. But, and so even though we're working in Atlanta and in the New York region in these first two studios the lessons are just broadly applicable like the challenges that are faced are, are truly, you know, these are, these are site specific but they're just incredible learning opportunities, because they translate so much into, to context where you eventually will learn, you know, live, learn, play practice. So the third semester and that is in the spring semester, starting in January, moving from January to May is our third studio on global cities and the focus is on climate kind of water informality ecosystem resilience and social capital. So this is traditionally our global travel studio. This is a picture from Pune, India, where this is a kind of a typical thing that we do we meet with community activists leaders mayors, you know, people from NGOs, and do a series of very, very intensive week long interviews we do an on site workshop. This is Gita Metta Professor Thad Palowski and myself here as faculty. And in the past eight years we've been looking at the city through the lens of water, and this has been a sequence called water urbanism. And so this is just a range of the kinds of cities and places that we go to. You can see range from Canada, Vietnam, to Addis Ababa, Belize, Amman, Acaba, in Jordan, and in general we, we, you know, travel we always work with a partner a university partner for example, the Kanta University in, in Vietnam, and, you know, a series of other universities and partnerships on the ground so there's a lot of on site exploration, we will visit, you know, open agricultural forests, agriculture, be in the center of cities and go on site walks with individuals here this lower left as a preeminent, the preeminent, one of the preeminent people in India who studying biodiversity in India kind of giving us a tour along the Moolimutha So students work on site this is a diagram that was produced on site in Jordan about obsolescence increasing obsolescence of the water infrastructure that is supporting Jordanian society. And then we take that back and begin to think about how to integrate that into design projects and essentially proposals. So we've, you know, done a whole series of different, different studios in some cases, you have a choice of multiple sites one year you had a choice between these three sites, Berembo Zambique, Addis Ababa and Tel Aviv Yeffa. And then during COVID we when we were not able to travel globally we engaged the Mississippi America's largest river and did a really fantastic site studio where we had 11 cities and mayors and sites along the Mississippi river that began to pull together into a larger one and I'll put some of these links into the chat during the Q&A session. So, and these projects circulate widely and are, you know, that I know people decision made which is something that is still being now circulated as part of the Global Resilient Reefs Initiative. And you can see the story map link below again I'll put it in the chat, or if we have time I can come back to this and kind of page through it. And, you know, students just do this incredible work and drawings and develop essentially kind of projects that span city and countryside nature infrastructure, etc. And I'll put it over to you to talk seminars. During your time at GSAP, the summer semester is fairly predetermined so you don't have to worry about what you're going to take we have a series of classes that plug in to our summer program. In the spring, we offer an array of seminars you are required to take one urban design seminar each fall and each spring, and the rest of the time you are pretty much have options around the university. But our seminars are really varied trying to enable you to focus on topics that interest you. And they cover a whole range of topics from different forms of urbanism, emerging urbanisms, what our great professor Graham Shane calls recombinant urbanism. Public space difference and design which takes up racial questions community engagement is a very important kind of area of our research and thinking and so there's always classes around that. Visible cities looking at how cities can be redefined or have been redefined through different metrics and different different ways of examining how property and landscape and how policies change them. Resilience, you'll see in various of our offerings as well. We asked by Kate and others also teach in seminars. We have housing different kinds of housing questions because cities, you know they're their main building type if you will is housing there's main social type is housing so we really stress that as part of urban design and architecture, and then other things like including human projects, street design, looking at the discipline itself, what is urban design, trying to kind of examine our own history and our own role in change. And so this, and you know this changes a little bit each year so there's different options. I'm very excited by our seminars where the professors are really committed to these topics, and some of them are new some of them teaching them some of the professors teach these in other departments at the university. The human rights classes taught in the different division the university as well as with us. So, the seminars are great they're really a thrill. Option are electives where you can actually pretty much the university is yours. And I spent a lot of time combing through all the offerings each semester finding classes that might be interesting to our students from software related things from social justice related conflicts and and practices to looking at forums and and and planning, looking at ecologies and inclusivity and sustainability, and some of these are in the public affairs school some of these are in the anthropology department. And, you know that you just never know the university is always shifting it's huge. And we really want you to see your time at G SAP is also an opportunity to take advantage of Columbia as a whole because it is a truly astonishing place I've been here a long time and I'm always pleasantly shocked at the possible things to look at. These are just slightly more developed version of some of our classes up on the upper right contested sites, looking at the history of urban designer urban planning from social and racial and I think points of view, where you do analyses of different kinds of representation different kinds of stories different kinds of effects on the upper left that's me looking at public spaces these are all New York public spaces but in fact. Now I'm sorry, these are all in New York, I think, but the focus is global and I asked the students to actually tell me about public spaces, where they're from difference design on the lower left looks at the kind of policies and outcomes of racial division and social policy making that affects mostly US projects and this is co taught by one of our professors, typically with another school, historically black college, or other universities so it's actually sometimes it's half on zoom because students are across the country. So that's really fascinating outcome. And then finally on the lower right. I mentioned, Graham Shane, whose book you can see urban design since 1945 and that little teeny image, encourage you to take a look at it. It's an incredible compilation of practices and that's another seminar you can take with him. I'm sorry, elective. These are seminars. I can't make some of myself. But these are just a smattering there are others and when you know when it comes time will present you the options and we'll make sure that you understand the different ways to work in the program. Yeah, and I think it's important to to underline that. What's great about the seminars is we do really choose diverse topics right so if you're interested in GIS or you know or if you're interested in you know systemic inequality like there are, you'll be able to kind of choose and select a series and cluster seminars that works for you and what your interests are so there there are a lot of choices and so you're able to kind of put together a, you know, a package if you will in the sense that that that that is uniquely tailored to you. So, we just have a kind of a closing couple slides this end of the year end of your show which is arch columbia that backslash EOS 2022. If you want to get a sense of the kind of online culture at GSAP and then click on the MS architecture urban design page because that does have a link to the studios in the sequence there. I guess I'll just close with before I turn over to Victor and Herman and pretty about just a little bit more about the culture of urban design, and I do feel like it is a post professional degree so you will enter the program having a degree in architecture or landscape architecture. And, you know, one of the challenges is to kind of move beyond the basic tool set to make you, you know, leaders and in practice and in work and so a part of that is the culture of the urban design program and that is basically, you know, in the studio context working in a collaborative way. And so our studios are team taught. So, which is a good benefit because, you know, you have people with different backgrounds and perspectives in the same space you're not just like locked in with like 15 people and one person, you have an ability to kind of link up to and learn from individuals that kind of you, you, you, you know, would naturally kind of gravitate towards, and then students in the studio context work in small groups and so that's a big part of the learning and a big part of why our graduates are leading planning programs and leading urban design and, and, and, you know, offices, the world around because we do believe that great work emerges in the space between people and to be efficacious as an urban designer is a very very different thing than being efficacious as simply an architect, you know, within the framework or the envelope of a building so so we're very very interested in that and we kind of bring the complexity of the city into into the classroom if you will so that we can learn from each other. Yeah, I'll stop sharing and maybe turn it over to to Victor and and maybe you all could just say hello and your background a few words about yourself and then we can turn it to Q amp Q amp a go ahead Victor say hi. Thanks Kate. Hi everyone I'm Victor. I was the class of 2021 and she sat and then I had an architectural backgrounds. Um, I guess I can just briefly talk about my experience as you step and then what I'm doing now. Um, so my I mean, like experience there, Kate and David pretty much touched upon a lot about it. It was very applicable and honestly very impactful so we had a lot of interactions with the community including talking to local residents design leaders and even interacting with some political leaders. So like our group specifically and the first semester for example we made a con we made contact with a nonprofit group which we continue working with even after the studio project. And then on top of that, learning how to engage with community we also learn a lot of technical skills such as also chaos mentioned just like GIS which becomes very practical later on in life and work as well. So, um, yeah, like in addition to building a strong foundational knowledge and the systems and cities. So everything you learn all becomes very applicable and professional work. And then what I'm doing now just really quickly. So I've always wanted to push my urban design knowledge into architectural realm. I've always been a fan of your goals for example so like is building Copenhagen is both a public ski slope and also waste energy power plant which is somewhat similar to one of my projects in G sat. And right now I'm at this retail design firm cod energy to and then I've always been interested in retail because of their applicability and optimizability. So they have larger impact over a community across the whole globe. So for example, look, we do Costco's a lot for example and then Costco Mexico is both a public park and soccer field, as well as just being a typical Costco supermarket. So that's something I found to be really integrative of both urban design and architecture. So, um, just to conclude a little bit I'm in Shanghai now so I sort of hope that like I can continue pushing the stuff I learned in urban design and to like Asian countries even more than what he has. So yeah, that's instruction for it was not hopefully. Hi everyone, my name is Bradley. I'm in 2022 graduate from the MSU the program, and I just wanted to say that Kate and David have really summarized the program. Very, very well. It has a very strong credit logic distributed across three semesters and a very fast based course, the three semesters just fly by. And they really put on one another. So something that I want to emphasize on is that this experience is going to be unique for each and everyone who enrolls in the program because we curate our own program here and we continue to push beyond the existing projects and kind of project like our own our project concepts, and then form our own theories. So each of this is based on the background experience you are coming from. And our cohorts diversity was especially exciting because it contributed to the work we did. We were sharing ideas in the past space course, which in which each of them had their own relationship to space, and we were constantly learning about these different cultures and different perspectives of the city. So each of this kind of helped us understand what kind of practice like it kind of helped us redirect our career paths as well. And this is how I learned where I am today, which is I'm an urban designer against learn and completely reading the climate adaptation and residence team for the city's level design practice area. This is not something that I've imagined myself doing but the course is kind of like help me shape my path here. So it's okay to not have everything planned out when you're coming into the program it itself and teaches you the different career paths that you can take. So that's that's how to me. That's great and and Herman and I just a quick note which is that I you know that these pathways are quite different and I do feel that the urban design program is kind of preparing you for a world where these like Haiti's job title did not exist, maybe even five years ago. So you know the world of design and planning and resilience and the integration of adaptation is rapidly changing and so you will be equipped to to kind of take on these jobs in the future. Herman is combining research and teaching Herman. Okay, thank you and David. Thank you very much. Yeah, it's great. Sorry for the, if there's any echo in here. Apologize in advance but yes, just to spend on one picture just share as well. The experience of the program it was a life changing in my personal experience. I'm from Columbia, and I remember when I start doing the program my favorite project was Thailand. And then by the end of the program my perception of it just changed completely. And since then, and as an architect background, I definitely start thinking in a different way. And I graduated in 2020 right in the middle of the pandemic, when just jumping into the professional realm was quite hard. So I ended up applying what I learned at the program in a competition in my country, trying to find new solutions, or new opportunities of helping people that being suffered by COVID-19 pandemic. And surprisingly, that experiment start growing and started to grow and grow and grow, and experience was technically doing the one same project that's Jesus, the one that did in the program but in real life. And I figured out that that was one way that you can really apply what you learn in real life. It was pretty much about collaboration and working between community and public and private entities. And based on that experience and during COVID, then I moved to London, UK, where I was trying to find a new experience where I get involved actually what I'm working right now. And I have to say that, thanks to the experience of the program, I've been able to get involved in a competitive way of developing and participating in projects internationally and being familiar with this kind of projects like working in Saudi Arabia. When I did the program, we went to the Grand Prix Fali and I went to Tel Aviv in the Middle East. And then, for example, those kind of things were an advantage for me just to understand better the context because it's part of my experience. And the approach of the projects is different through a systemic and holistically approach, which is something that definitely marks a differentiator in our context. And right now, what I'm doing is in a role with the Architectural Association as a unit tutor with one of the professors of the program, James Fancy, and one alumni, Eleni Likolu, I think it's her last name. And so I'm extremely happy because I've been moving after my experience between the academia teaching and the professional environment as well, and being able to apply all the topics learned through the program. So, yeah, I think I will be happy to share more information if you want to know or questions or we can just answer any doubts. Thank you. Just gives you a sense of the diverse outcomes of this degree program. Some of our graduates work at UN Habitat. Some are working in professional practice. There's quite a range. David, do you want to help kind of moderate the Q&A? There's some fast and furious questions coming in the chat and maybe we can just discuss them. Maybe there was one about the whether or not we can work during the semester and the difference between AUD and UP. Let's see. I was writing, but I will just say AUD and UP, you know, they're one scholar in planning, one scholar in design, but remember we're AUD, Architecture Urban Design. So we have a history and an epistemological connection to architecture. And so in some ways, UP is more statistical and informational and research of a certain policy type, whereas UD is spatial and infrastructural and, but they overlap greatly. And we'd like some of our professors teaching both programs. You can take your urban planning seminars and urban planners often take our seminars and electives. So there's good interaction, but it varies greatly. There is no joint studio between UD and UP. Our schedules are so different and our expectations of studio are so different that the studios themselves do not overlap, although in the fall and spring you'll be right next to them. Well, so yeah, I did want to make a note about that. Because an urban planning studio is very different. There's maybe, you know, 15 people, one instructor, and the outcome of an urban planning studio might be a report or a couple of maps, and it's only, I believe, six credits. That's where we're a nine credit studio. It's a very different, a little bit more of design driven, if you will, although design can be strategy many, many things in the program. I did want to note though that this year and in the spring, we have a unique studio where we have an urban planning professor Hugo Sarmiento, who is teaching a seminar that is being taught in parallel with our studio. So we actually have quite a bit of overlap with planning students in the semester of this year. It's something that we're piling and something that we're hoping to continue because I think what's clear is there needs to be obviously a sort of a policy and design dialogue in order to advance more in, you know, innovation in the urban context. So, so a lot of opportunity there, particularly this spring for planning and urban design overlap. A question about part times jobs. We do not recommend that you work because we want new body and soul in the program but that doesn't mean you cannot. There are different kinds of work. There's casual work on the university offers in libraries or other kinds of things if you're, if you need to work. One or two students actually sometimes have part time jobs in the profession. We recognize people have different needs and they're in different situations. So we're ready to feel comfortable that they can have a kind of afford to be in the program and to live healthy. But students want to speak to that too and then we can go on to the work life balance I mean some of you were job had jobs like as teaching assistants but yeah as David is saying, I guess, I guess, you know, your choices are up to you but a subtle opinion would be, you're at Columbia for this very precious moment in time. And so, would it be more important to go and sit with the professor, or go to a special lecture, or would it be important to go and be an intern for an architecture firm I mean that would be your choice. We do have jobs, you know, on on campus which are maybe more doable I her mom and mom weren't you a TA. Yes, yes, yes, yes, I want to I want to share that because right after I finished my program I was a TA for the first semester. The summer, this is the summer with dance. So that was a great opportunity as well just to of course to keep learning and to see the other side of it. That was also interesting and a great experience. I want to add to that. I mean it's everything about balance because I remember when I started the program. My daughter was three months old. So I was literally doing the program right after the studio get it home as a dad will first time dad will. And then, yes, I was a TA for Victor. The program. So, yeah, he's a balance is totally doable. I think he's something more about what you really want to do and follow me your passion and priority of course, my management. Any other thoughts there on work life balance or working outside Victor or Pratty. It's the way you manage your time and honestly, like when you work on campus, the jobs itself help you support. Any kind of pastry payments that you would need to do and you really get a very diverse experience when you're like, I was also a TA for during the fall semester and I knew that I was able to balance out work and the studio culture at the same time. So, that's it. I think really quickly talk about it. I didn't look for jobs outside of the program, but first of all, there were just a lot of great lectures outside of studio and stuff to join as well. And then when I was talking I really quickly touched upon that we was what we found a nonprofit organization during our studio which we continue with with after that was Henry Street settlement. And then we ended up having like I ended up personally containing a little bit more and then we did some charity work for them as well. And then there was also a lot of other opportunities that we touched upon during our studio work, such as this place called Hamilton Madison House also in New York. And then we are like me and my teammates odd opportunities to work with them regarding their work in charity. So there's a lot of experiences around in New York that's related to our work in studio as well. Fabulous I saw a question about the sort of career services and and that we actually have a new career services office located on the third floor now. And so I think that's something that's just kind of increasingly growing in important formal career services office where you can go in and get your resume looked at there's very specific job listings that are targeted toward Columbia students. And then, you know, as productivity and others, basically, there's a kind of an email chain and I always copy all students which is like, here are 25 firms that have hired GSAP group students in the in the past and, you know, and as as as individuals contact us and so we can just pass them along to you so. So in general, you know the, I would say, it's a very, very interesting kind of career market right now for urban design graduates, particularly in this sort of climate adaptation housing space there's just a lot, there's just a lot of work out there. And then I guess we would just encourage everybody to think in, you know, about diverse geographies of course and, you know, in in in diverse, diverse places in diverse forms of practice, whatever that might mean for for you. Anything else on that David I should have added on career services. Career services runs a lot of events. They have alumni visits they have professional visits. They become more and more active every year. It's great. Very helpful. Also, also maybe just to add. Just to add that they also provide you mentors at the links with mentors so that was super helpful as well. I made use of it. And, you know, there's also good to have another perspective of portfolio resume and a few tips about professional career and how to how to jump into that field. So, super useful. You can connect with the career services at any point during the semester get your portfolios reviewed if there's something that you want to change that new field career that you want to explore they'll work with you one on one and help you kind of navigate through that. I saw a question about the spring studio sites and I think ready to mentioned in the chat but every year we look at a very, very diverse range of site alternatives for gravel. For example, I won't reveal where we're going this semester because as everyone knows that's like a hotly anticipated announcement that comes out usually in in November but the places that we were looking to hold studios and other options that we had for this year were Barbados and looking at island states and urban design in for island nations states. We were looking at Argentina and Santiago the Chile, and also Calcutta India so that's just that those were on that the chopping block the sites that we ended up not working in but that just gives you a sense of the kind of range of places that were always looking at and then the last one was Auckland, New Zealand, which at a 26 hour flight basically realized that that was not something that was in the cards for us but at New Zealand just granted the rivers the status of human rights so and we have a lot of connections and that was another option so that just gives you a sense of the range of places that you might be going, hopefully not with 26 hour flights though. We were also looking at Bangladesh as well and that was also too too long of a journey for this year. What else any questions about degree requirements, anyone have any questions that have not been answered we have about eight minutes left. Thank you do you want to talk about the, or just describe the studio urban design seminar and electives dynamic again in terms of how many credits that they can take. Sure. I shared the requirements page. Basically in the fall and the spring you must take one urban design seminar. Those are small, you know, anywhere from 10 to 20 people. And they're with urban design professors or planners, or other professionals. The elective is essentially not a type of class that could be very similar to a seminar. It's just that it's offered outside of the UD program so it could be an architecture elective it could be a planning elective. It could be an anthropology class. It could be a sustainability management class. Classes anywhere in the university that you and I find together. And so electives are more open ended. And you only need to take one in the fall or spring. So the requirements leave you lots of room to make your own choices. We do encourage you to take electives both semester because Columbia University, as we've said is is heaven in many ways, and you want to take advantage of it as much as possible. And I think some students do the 45 credit basics, which includes studio seminars and elective, but you can take many more classes than that. And I think it's up to you, you know, it's it's how you feel how comfortable you feel with your workload with balancing other things in your life. But we really stress that it's one year, it goes like lightning, as everyone will attest to. And so while you're here at G SAP we encourage you to take advantage of every minute. And they're just lectures and seminars and and all sorts of workshops so And please send me an email if you have other questions about the particular electives or seminars. What else. Do I see. I think you addressed it but you know that the program does begin the first week of June, and we get our admit letters out as soon as possible. And, you know, typically, you know, there have been moments where there's been a two week delay when a student can't get their visa and we do kind of an online period but in general, you know, it does provide enough time for a visa to be obtained. And then we are our office, International Student Office works closely with with with everyone to make that happen in terms of getting your visa. You know the stem program designation is quite exciting, obviously it means that you're, you have a fairly intensive period after you graduate to to work in United States for I believe it's a period of three years or two years. Three years. Yeah, so it's a really, it's an important designation and it gives you quite ample time to to to work in the US if that is what great any other final questions. I put that our emails and in the presentation but I'll put my email in the chat and then as well as David's. And you can ask us any questions. If you have any further questions, typically, you know, if you have a financial, you know, we don't handle financial aid directly, but, you know, but but we can we can try to direct you to the right person will, we can mostly answer questions around the program and so feel free to, you know, send an email and copy both of us if you have any, any other questions about the program, we would be super excited to have have all of you here. I suppose, like, what do you think is it well there's so many things that are very special but you're really a cohort right so it's like her months clap you know like each of the classes has such a personality and a dynamic and you all learn from each other. And it's very different than just going through a school with, you know, like more ran, you know, kind of like a wild assortment of, it's very much that you're, you're sort of a cohort and you really learn a lot from each other and you become, you know, close with with the people in your class. And so it's it's it's a very it's a unique experience, I would say, among, among many so. Yeah, so with that, I guess we'll, we'll close and say thanks to Victor him on and Prad's tea and for for joining and appreciate you sharing your experiences. And to all the prospective students we would love for you to apply to and hopefully attend the program. If we can be of any further help in making your decision just communicate don't worry about. Oh, we don't want to bother them and send an email feel free to send an email and feel free to communicate if you have any questions whatsoever. We want you to feel like you're totally comfortable we want you to come and and be part of the program and we're greatly appreciative for of all of you. So, thank you again so much. I will close the meeting make sure you take down our emails and we look forward to hopefully seeing your applications, and, and we're just appreciative of everyone's time this morning again. Alrighty. Bye bye. Thanks.