 Welcome back to The Breakfast here on Plus TV Africa. Let's go straight to our newspapers and see what we can find. We're kicking off with the punch, news papers this morning and we'll be sharing with you. Experts fault CBN government, CBN governor sorry, NASG says 60 billionaire printing not sustainable. Also federal government recorded 485.51 billionaire fiscal deficit in January. That's from CBN. Oil and gas export revenue fell by $2.23 billion in 2020. That's from the NNPC and also military to embark on massive recruitment says minister. Pro Taliban comments. Sak Pantami now PDP CSOs tell Buhari. Also on the point just morning NDLEA seizes 834 kilograms drugs. Traffickers excrete 191 wraps of cocaine. Gondmen abduct Fulani man demand 7 millionaire in Oya and also Amoteco and rest headers and 250 cows over 300 hectare farm destruction. We can also find here about to wed four others killed as boss plunges into Ondo Riva and insurance didn't cover Lagos bosses burnt during Nsars and that is from the governor of the Lagos state. 23 killed as vigilantes and Fulani traders clash in Zamfara. On the Nigerian Tribune PDP others mount pressure on Buhari to sack Pantami. PDP adds that the DSS should also investigate him. Middle Belt Forum wants Pantami to resign and Murikeh saying Pantami should not succumb to what they call blackmail. Global COVID-19 death toll surpasses 3 million. Like a size he has said, neither APC nor PDP can redeem Nigeria. PDP governors are saying CBN's threats to states over Basiki's claim shows governance has plummeted. 18.17% inflation rate not healthy for economy. That's according to the manufacturers association of Nigeria. How Nigeria lost 15,000 megawatts to gas flaring in six years. Serap writes Buhari, 6 probe of missing 106 a billionaire in 149 MDAs in 2018. Don't listen to secessionist, FG tells Nigerians. School children abductions, finance minister to engage NSA, service chiefs, others. Farm destruction. Undo to auction seized cows. Ex militants here telling the undocied government don't make us regret submitting our arms and ammunition. Six killed as 18. Sita boss plunges into river in Undo. 73 missing, about 2,000 displaced. As government attacks Teraba community. 12 bodies recovered in Binwe-Tankah explosion. And other stories here that we've touched on the punchiness paper. All right, let's see what we can find on the daily independent. Cruel oil price recovery not enough to ease forex walls. Different exchange rates still way down on forex market. Also many fear dead as 18. Sita boss plunges into river in Undo state. Headsman kill family of five and three others in Binwe. Six killed in Iketi court war. 10 suspects arrested. PDP debunks purported suspension of Konkwa so Babangida Liu. And also Serap urges Buhari to probe alleged missing 106 billionaire in 149 MDAs. Tickets sold out. Airline staff and touts fingered in blocked seats. And we can also find here. Don't listen to secessionist federal government tells Nigerians. Also labor reject federal government appointments into new colleges of education. Lastly, printing of 60 billionaire federal government should heed of Basak is advised PDP and governor's tell APC counterparts. Going now to another newspaper looking at the daily trust terrorism financing dozens arrested in nationwide crackdown. BDC operators, gold dealers, others netted. Billions trapped, more businessmen marked for arrest. PDP wades in as Canada chapter crisis deepens. Troops and Burko Ram in gonduel over Dequah. A rise in cement and steel prizes. Owners abandoned houses under construction. There is also media frenzy over the health of the president on the daily trust. All right. And we'll say good morning once again to tune the call our lay who's joining us. Thanks for your time this morning. Thanks for having me. Yes. Good morning again. There's a lot of interesting stories. I'm not sure which you like to start from. Well, maybe I should start from the pandemic story. It is unfortunate that the nation once again is being faced with this kind of very, very embarrassing situation. You and I will know that there has been a lot of people who have in the past are not at the nation that the sympathizers of the Islamic fundamentalists have infiltrated most of the government structures in Nigeria. And you will recollect that Dr. Bruno Jonathan, even a city president, had a cause to say that these countries suspects that there are Burkawarab and Islamic fundamentalists within the structures of government. When you have those kind of people in the structure of government, chances are that they will be leaking very sensitive information. So this is Islamic fundamentalists, which will be hitting their campaign. Furthermore, they are not meant to be using their position to finance the Islamic fundamentalists in their genocidal war against the Nigerian people. When Modu Sherif was a governor for a new state, you will recollect his commissioner for finance and commissioner for entire religious affairs, who are members of the Burkawarab group. And when eventually the Burkawarab people fell out with the government in Boronu state and all over the tradition, one of the things that emboldened them to embark on the war that they are working against the nation was their respect, was their position, was the opportunity that people like Modu Sherif gave to them because it emboldened them. He gave them a false sense that they were also important in the society and that they could take on government and win. Because the belief of Modu Sherif at that period of time was that the force that will come from the Burkawarab people in Boronu state is a black vote that will not be neglected. So that sent the wrong signal to the Burkawarab that they have a right that they can now compete within the Nigerian state. Not too long ago too, the chairman of the senate committee on the army, which is Aliyun Dume, had once been arraigned in court and prosecuted for other correspondences with the Burkawarab sect. He escaped justice, he escaped justice merely based on technicalities. Certain persons were led to have gone to tambour with the court records so that it made it difficult for the judge to be able to arrive at the decision. He probably would have arraigned that if people had not tampered with all these documents and no other. Furthermore, even Mr President has also been accused of being a sympathizer of the Burkawarab. For example, before he became president, it was in the news that he said he would spend the rest of his life ensuring that Sharia law is practiced all over the federation. When Dr. Gullo Juneta also began to hit the Burkawarab and the army seems to be on the upper side, the Mamakwari was also one of the persons that came at us. Let's look. The fight against the Burkawarab, the killing of the Burkawarab is a fight against the North. Mr. Gullo, I want us to just get you to speak on this so we don't spend too much time on Mr. Pantami. Do you think that his statements from the early 2000s are enough to demand his resignation? You can have that kind of a person, that kind of sensitive place, and then you leave him there. If you leave him there, like I said, two possibilities are there. He is in a very sensitive ministry that compiles statistics and records of Nigeria's citizens. So he could be making information to the Islamic fundamentalist. He could also be using his privileged position to finance the Islamic fundamentalist. So to that extent, that person has no place in government. He is in two sensitive areas to continue to retain a day longer in that place. Okay. Okay. I wanted us to talk about this very important issue that we've seen on the Nigerian Tribune. We know that several zones in the country, several ethnic groups have been agitating for secession. And we've even seen the area on Akanka for Ghani Adams say that the Yoruba Nation is moving away from secession to demanding for self-determination. The federal government here is, you know, speaking to Nigerians, telling them not to listen to secessionists. I have statements from Lai Mohamed here saying that you don't cure a headache by beheading the patient. So really, Mr. Kola Wali, is secession, is self-determination, breaking away from Nigeria, having an independent state? Would that be the solution to the security challenges that were seen in the country? Honestly, it is unfortunate that we are having all these agitations, this flash of agitation all over the country. For me as a person, I'm a pan-Africanist. I'm a pan-Nigerianist. I don't believe in secession. And the reason why I don't believe in secession is very, very basic. I have turned a study around the world and find out that most of the countries that are making giant slides all over the world today are those countries that have very huge population and very, very big land mass. When you have a huge population and very, very big land mass, the possibilities are that the resources that will be available to you in terms of material and human resources will be so huge that you could do so many things. Unlike if the country were tiny and the human resources, the material resources were also tiny, and then you have little to play with in terms of carrying out experiments, in terms of climbing even to the space, in terms of exploring the depth of the ocean, in terms of carrying out all sorts of researches that are likely to benefit humanity. No matter how big, no matter how successful, Ghana may be today, Ghana will still not be able to rate, will not be able to compete in Nigeria simply because of its small size and the very few little population. It is exactly, I don't believe in decision. But if you look at what is going on in our country today in terms of irresponsible leadership, lack of visionary leadership, leadership that are giving such support to the decisionists, but to come out openly to denounce them, you want to ask yourself whether they continue on this false marriage, will it not be better for people to go their different ways so that they can have their peace and then their respective region can be able to sleep with one eyes closed? But the truth is that even when you do have decision, will it end to all, will it put an end to all these problems that we are talking about? It is very doubtful. Look at the issue of the Yoruba. The Yoruba are fought more wars among themselves than they have ever fought against any external aggression or against any other tribes in the country. If you also look at the Yoruba, they have fought more wars within themselves than they have ever fought against any external aggression. These two for the Yoruba people. And if you say you succeed today, the corruption that is at the bottom of most of the crisis that we have is equal to be wished away overnight because all our allies, whether they be houses, whether they be ebos, whether they be Yoruba, all of them are particular in the monumental corruption that has led to this crisis of lack of peace that we have in our hands. All the leading election politicians have their private and volunteer private armies and forces groups that are causing problems in the rural areas and then in the urban centers. All this is not to be wished away. When you break up the country into a different segment, the answer is no. I am not too sure that decision is a problem. Rather, I will want the Nigerian youth to consider the energy on ensuring that these different allies who are stalking the fire of corruption, who are hitting up the polity, who are a bit of a driver's sentiment, when they are at the disadvantage, when competing with other allies from the other region, we should deal with those ones and then unite our country and move forward. That is the way to go. All right. It is a conversation that we are going to be having a lot later on the show this morning. Let us move on to talk once again about the 60 billionaire controversy. On the daily independent, it says here, the federal government should heed Obasek's advice. PDP, Governors tell APC counterparts, but the APC is saying nothing wrong gives CBN Prince money during financial crisis. The month is going to be over in a bit, though it is expectations that we either would once again be printing money according to Governor Basaki or maybe we would be able to fund the FARC allocations without having to print money. But what are your thoughts on the controversy concerning printing money at a time like this? Well, I have looked at both the pros and the cons of the arguments of both you support the printing of money and those who don't support it. And I want to pitch my tent with those who are fans very seriously against the printing of national currency. It is an heinous crime for anybody to do. And even if I want to do it, I don't even have compared to do it. It should be the last resort. We have said it has without number. Why don't you look at the structure of this government and the cost of governance? Why don't you look at scaling and the bureaucracy? Why don't you call the cost of contract? The cost of contract in this country is the highest in the world. Every contract that is awarded in the country today is denominated in billions. Say for example, road construction. Most of the material that we require for road construction is granite, is sand, is bitumen and nile. Most of these components are not important from approach. So why would road construction be denominated in billions? They are denominated in billions simply because half of that money is going to end up in some people's affected pocket to prosecute their election and then live in life of indolence as against the rest of us. Furthermore, you are printing money to sort off the budget deficit. You still want to invest one point that's been on the run, in turn on the maintenance of a refinery that is not meant to work. Does that make sense? It doesn't make sense. It is for that reasons that everybody should rise up and say no to this way for the structure of our national currency. That also destroys the Zimbabwe currency. That also destroys the Brazilian currency. That also destroys the Venezuelan currency. The international community will not sit by and allow Nigeria to be printing money and spending it. It's like you eating without sweating. Nobody is going to take that from you. What they are doing is already costing inflation even from their own agency, the National Office of Statistics. Inflation rate is now put at 13.5%. That is outrageous. You go to the market now, everything has skyrocketed. Housing rentals have skyrocketed. We only come by anything now without having a quantum of money. That is the consequences of people merely printing money rather than working for it and spending no sweat. I support the PDP. I also think I support the governor. We haven't gotten to that level in which we start printing money. There are so many things that we can do to really generate revenue, to really run this government, cut down the cost of government. All right. Another big issue we're seeing is about coronavirus, you know, the vaccination, vaccine hesitancy, vaccine passport. On the Guardian newspaper, the headline reads, huddles for air travelers as nation's OK's vaccine passports. It's nothing new for people to get vaccinated before they travel. I mean, we all know the popular yellow fever vaccination. To most countries, you need to have that before you allow entry into the country. But we know just how unprecedented the coronavirus is, all the conspiracy theories regarding the virus, the 5G conspiracy and all of that, and vaccine hesitancy with lots of people, you know, having thought about what the vaccine could do to their bodies. But we're seeing now that most destinations and airlines are insisting on COVID-19 passports, which is basically like a digital certificate that says, you know, you are low risk, you know, for the COVID-19 vaccine. So just your thoughts quickly on how this might affect tourism in the country and maybe even change the minds of people who are willing to travel regarding, you know, taking the coronavirus vaccine. Well, honestly speaking, when you look around the world today, that appears to be the direction in which most countries are moving towards. The Europeans, you know, for example, now have a new certificate for COVID-19. Some other countries have adopted the same measure. Whatever is going to help humanity to conquer this viral virus, I think should be supported by all of us. But here at home, the question will be something that we can produce. Can you really have a control over it? Most of the vaccines that have been used in Nigeria today are either donated to us by some of these other countries. We are rising in an IT manner. We should be able to produce a vaccine locally. Even there, for example, is able to produce it if we as a nation are in the past when producing vaccines, a case even more deadly disease than this COVID-19. So for me, if we require the certificates and Nigerians don't have it, I think it should also be good news to me. Because the tourism that are be put to, they may only use it to carry money outside the country. Let all Nigerians sit down, park out too many and find solutions to our problem. In fact, if we can shut the borders of the country and disallow people from traveling for the next 10 years what they are about, I am sure most of the challenges that we have as a nation will begin to find solutions to it. A lot of people would disagree with you there. You know, people should be allowed freedom of movement, freedom to find opportunities wherever they can. The tourism industry is not even thriving. The tourism industry is not thriving in Nigeria. It is only Nigeria that have busy places. Other nations have never come to Nigeria. Because most of our tourism facilities were refused to develop and the high level of insecurity that we have in the country today, we never encourage any foreigner to come into this country to do this. For the past few weeks now, there has been no light all over the country. So who sees this as an environment that Nigeria has become unlawful in the last few weeks that they are about? But the sad thing though is that just the slight deviation, the sad thing is that when foreigners come to our country, they get paid times 10 of the locals in the country. They live in the best neighborhoods. They live the best lives. They live better than the average Nigerians. And move around with armed policemen. That is true. When you compare the tourists that go from China, for example, to the Europeans, you know, or even to Germany, or to Spain, and all that, who don't even have the kind of endowment in terms of tourism that we have? What value is that? The number of Europeans who come into this country or even foreigners who come into this country for tourist activities are very, very minimal. Most of the ones you are referring to are businessmen. Who know that when they take very huge risks to come into this country, they are likely to live very panty for hours. We see them in gold mining all over the country. We see them in mining gemstones. We see them taking away our maples. It's all just, you know, symptoms of, you know, a system that isn't working. Thank you very much for your time this morning. Thanks for starting off our week for us. We wish you a great week ahead. Thanks for having me. I wish the two of us a very lovely week ahead. Thank you. You too, sir. All right, stay with us. We're going to today in history. Next, we're going to the year 2011 to tell you about one of the longest seven presidents in history. And of course, his brother, you know, might just throw in a little bit of information on his brother also. Yes, and we're talking about something that gave us a bit of light and laughter, you know, during the coronavirus pandemic last year. Stay with us.