 All right, welcome everybody to your one book show and you know, I have to admit that Every week I said myself, okay this week we're not gonna talk about Donald Trump We are going to discuss some philosophical issue or something else. So or something more interesting And yet I Have a feeling we're gonna be talking about Trump a lot Because every week he does something that seems to basically require Commentary so this week in spite of not wanting to talk about immigration. Whoops this thing is That's what we're gonna talk about. We're gonna talk about immigration We're gonna talk. Well, you we're gonna talk about this ban on Immigration or travel or visiting from seven countries that Donald Trump signed through executive order on Friday and that is obviously being there's been a lot of you know, a lot of protests a lot of discussion over this and At the very least one can say that You know, it wasn't exactly executed perfectly there's a lot of confusion and so on but You know, you have to say You had to say that Any any kind of executive order like this is Probably going to be executed in a messy way in the first few days So I don't make a big deal out of the fact that it has been executed so inefficiently I'd rather I'd rather we talk the actual and discuss The actual the actual ban the actual executive order what it implies and I you know I'm gonna try because I know I've been accused of not being objective about Trump of I've been accused of You know not actually giving it The best show so we're gonna take we're gonna take as an objective. I think I'm always objective But as as much of an objective Approach to this as Whoops this thing is I'm sorry that my my microphone stand is giving me a hard time We're gonna take as good of it as much of an objective approach to this as we can I want to read some stuff out of the actual executive order Maybe even look at the statute that the executive order is relating to is referring to but Let me just say right off the bat You know, I think most of you know my opinion about this if you don't I Think it's ridiculous. I think this ban is ridiculous. I think it's silly I think it's idiotic and I know people get pissed off when I say Stuff from Trump is idiotic and let me just say that I think the worst element of this The worst element of everything related to Trump is not what Trump does You know Trump is doing what Trump promised he would do and try you know You know in you know kind of a mixed weird fashion, but he's doing everything promised he would do what it really strikes me as I Don't know as disturbing if you will is How so many people who voted for Trump so many people who support Trump? Support him no matter what Immune to any counter-argument Just blindly Accepting anything that he does and and I could see people saying look And we'll get to this You know, it's this is not an ideal band. It's not a perfect band. It should have been definitely I'm still a little skeptical about this But it's better than nothing that would be okay, but people are defending this ban unequivocally no challenges no questions asked Because Donald Trump did it and because they're so eager for somebody of course the other issue is I bet you anything that if at any time Obama had instituted this ban with these specific countries and need this specific list Publicly had you know because the list existed in the Obama administration, but it wasn't as public as it is now So many people who today support Trump and support what he this ban would have flipped out This is not a good enough ban. This is too narrow. Why isn't Saudi Arabia on the list? But because Trump has done it There's like no criticism No criticism. I mean the criticisms all from the left, but there's no criticism from the right It reminds me of what happened after 9-11 with George W. Bush and and it That nobody would criticize him from the right. Nobody would actually say that George W. Bush was a wimp in the way he dealt with 9-11 except me and a few other people Everybody said well, you know, you can't criticize the president at the time of war and he's tough and he's doing this And he's doing that and everything I predicted about the consequences of George W. Bush's weakness George W. Bush's compromises Actually panned out in the end in many respects I you know, I've say it here I I tell logic them predicted the rise of ISIS that I have spring the consequence of that spring the falling apart of the Middle East all Of that was predictable and all of it is consequence of George W. Bush's policy But nobody wanted to criticize him just following him blindly waves a flag and everybody's a patriot and This is even worse now with Trump and this is why I've always seen the Trump phenomena Not Trump, but the Trump phenomena as a move towards authoritarianism not so much because Trump is an authoritarian I mean he is his instincts are authoritarian but because So many people many many more people than I'd all that I'd ever would have expected a willing To follow a willing to march in step and follow what he's done what he does so All right, let's Let's let's look at the actual ban You know what what was actually passed? and as I said the ban actually so Here's Here's some of what I consider troubling language in the ban So this is reading from the actual executive order and he says in order to protect Americans The United States must ensure that those admitted to this country do not bear hostile attitudes towards it Now if it stopped there, I'd say absolutely I agree completely There has to be a way to vet people coming into this country and make sure that they are not hostile to the country and and certainly that they Do not have Intent to be violent against this country and I'm all for vetting. I'm all for vetting for The Possibility probability that people will commit violent acts in the United States and how you do that vetting There's a whole odds of that vetting the Israelis are very good at it But there's a whole lot to that vetting which which should be applied to some extent Probably is applied when people ask for visas in the interview process at the State Department in their embassies But I'm sure could be improved and part of this ban is for 60 days so that The Department of Homeland Security and other agencies present a Trump with a better vetting policy And to that extent I don't have a problem with better vetting policies I think we need better vetting policies, but no the continuation of the sentence So do not bear hostile attitudes towards us and its founding principles Now what does that even mean now? I know what that means because I think I know what the founding principles mean But I I suspect that Donald Trump doesn't know what the founding principles mean I certainly know that Bannon doesn't know what the founding principles mean and I'd suggest that 75 to 80 percent of the US population at least doesn't know what the founding principles mean Opening this up like this to an ideological screen To the application to the founding principles is a very dangerous thing Unless you are willing to articulate in the statement what those actual principles are right What those actual principles are? so I Think this is very dangerous that we have now entered into a place where the vetting is getting include ideological vetting with in terms of founding principles You know I think Most of the anybody who voted for Bernie Sanders doesn't know the founding principles and You know and and of course You know most of most of people who voted for for Trump don't know the founding principles all right So the United States cannot and should not admit those who do not support the Constitution as Understood by whom all those who would place violent ideologies over American law agree completely in addition The United States should not admit those who engage in acts of bigotry now in bigotry or hatred Agree if it's defined properly. What is bigotry? How do you define bigotry now? They try here? They've included concrete which I like Including honor killings other forms of violence against women or persecution of those who practice religious different from their own Have to define find persecution, but yes, if you support honor killing you shouldn't be allowed into the United States If you support violence against women, you shouldn't be allowed in the United States That is if you are proponent of violence If you're proponent of violence Then you should not be allowed into the United States. That's fine All those who would oppress Americans of any race gender sexual orientation again, you know What about many Americans who would do the same and you better define what a press means And you better be careful about that is I mean I I am worried I'm desperately worried anytime you Anytime you give the government power Over-determining ideology anytime you give the government power Overscreening ideology because you know because there's no question in my mind that if most American governments Suddenly or the Obama administration some future Democratic administration, but even the Trump administration Would they allow a young I in Randans of the country? Would they allow me into the country? right, so Given that my ideology is not consistent with the ideology of 80 to 90 percent of Americans All right, so what is What is The the what is the criteria? What is the real ideological screen and do we want government? Recognizing that sometimes government will be led by people you don't like even if you're like Trump At some point there might be a Democrat in the pot in the in the White House. Do you want to give that Democrat through law? The ability to screen people who come into this be based on their ideology I Think that's very dangerous if you screen it based on their propensity for violence They willingness to commit violence their hostility to the United States of America as exemplified by what they say and what they do I'm fine with that if they're hostile and if they want to commit violent acts in the United States Of course, they shouldn't be allowed into this country Very very dangerous if you start talking about founding principles interpretations of the Constitution and so on right so It is it is pretty it is pretty amazing It is pretty amazing and you know I talked about the fact that these blind followers of Trump and the alt-right and all that it just blindly follow anything He says and and of course there's wonderful evidence of that on the chat Now many of you are not gonna see the chat because you're listening afterwards I'm not gonna delve into it too much, but you but you see it you see it right there, right? I'm the mouthpiece of the leftist media again Right because they have nothing to say about the actual content of what I say should just accuse me of being part of the mainstream And that's that's that's typical You know attempt to character assassinate without dealing with facts Which is a alt-right? Pro-Trump kind of tactic and we've got evidence of that right here right now. All right, so what are we doing about how? We what are we gonna do about? Protecting America how are we gonna do that? What we're gonna do is suspend the issuance of visas and other immigration benefits to nationals of countries of particular concern now the country's a particular concern are not listed there is a reference to a statute That was passed under Obama that it was there was listed countries where the security forces did not trust the Information provided by those countries so they felt that they couldn't do proper vetting of those countries and And you know and if you look at the list that kind of makes sense because what does the list include it? Whoops, I just closed that window It includes Countries that have no real governments like Syria Libya Yemen all countries with civil wars to one extent or another Syria Libya Lebanon Somalia and In in you know countries like that. I had the list right in front of me a second ago And I managed to brilliantly close the window of That particular thing. I'll get it up in a minute Iran Iran I guess the idea is we're listing Iran because Iran is a country whose data we don't trust So it's not an issue of there's no country. There's no government there, but we don't trust a data. Okay, so Let's start with thinking about these seven countries, right? Iran indeed is the largest sponsored of terrorism that I have argued so I'm I'm all for Iran being another as I'll say in a few minutes I for doing a lot more than putting Iran on a list I think that's a pretty pathetic attitude towards Iran, but What's obvious about this list what's obvious about this list is what's missing from the list What's missing from the list are countries that do have governments governments that we pretend are allies and Governments that we pretend we can rely on the data. They give us so the idea is you can't get data from Yemen and from Libya and from Somalia So we have to okay fine But can we and bow and we don't trust the data we get from Iran because he runs a hostile country But we can't trust the data we get from Saudi Arabia the United Arab Emirates Pakistan Afghanistan Egypt countries that produce as many if not more terrorists than the seven Certainly countries Whose terrorists have killed many many more Americans than the seven will get to how many people have actually been killed from people from coming from the countries that we talked about right so you know So Saudi Arabia we can get the info but We can get the info, but can we trust it? Why should we trust it? Why should we trust it? Saudi Arabia works with us to prevent terrorism is that what happened before 9 11 and Saudi Arabia changed over the last 14 years Do they 15 years have they stopped? Being the largest funder of radicalization of radical masks of radical views in the world No, they're much bigger than you run in terms of actually funding radical movements and did they not were they not part of of starting ISIS and initiating ISIS and And and you know, there is no answer to this so don't you know, you can you can you can try and and Again people, you know Now I'm not saying you ban Islam but You know if you're gonna make a list you cannot make a list That is supposed to protect America You cannot make a list that is supposed to take us protect us from terrorism without Listing Saudi Arabia the United Arab Emirates in Egypt How many Americans have been killed? How many Americans have been killed by terrorists from the seven listed countries Question how many terrorists have been killed from terrorists from immigrants From those seven in America talking about terrorist acts in America from the seven listed countries Love to hear your answer on on on the chat or anywhere else. How many terrorists have been killed From the seven list how many Americans have been killed by terrorists in the United States From the seven listed countries now if you take Iran out You might ask it even more broadly but but even with Iran in because Iran has killed many Americans But but almost almost never from those Yeah, so where were the San Bernardino killers from that's a good question, you know, come on people where were the seven? I mean you guys all support or many of you support the the Trump ban So how many people how many Americans were actually killed? from Terrorism in the United States in America Right from these seven listed countries The answer is actually easy Because it's a nice round number and the answer is zero zero Americans have been killed in the United States of America by terrorists who came from one of those seven countries, right San Bernardino for example, he was born here and she immigrated from drum roll Saudi Arabia and you think we got all the correct information about her when she came here Do we know what the San Bernardino guy did when he was visiting Saudi Arabia? Just a few years ago No, because do we trust the Saudi intelligence agencies when it comes to radicalization? I mean you got to be nuts if you trust them Okay, all right, so what is How many people have died how many Americans have died from terrorists who've come to the United States as immigrants of visitors from Saudi Arabia 2369 and this is from 1975 2369 how many from Egypt 162 how many for United Arab Emirates 314 That's from 1975 to 2015. Those are the numbers, right now I will get I will get to what I think the policy should be and why I think the whole way The ban is being approached is wrong. I'm just dealing with the particulars of the ban right now I'm not gonna shy away from telling you how I think you should deal with terrorism and how I think we should deal with terrorism your chances of dying From a from a terrorist from an Islamic terrorist action in the United States In any given year a one in three point six million your chances of dying from a terrorist activity from Somebody from one of these seven countries is Something like one in three point six billion So even if you accept that we need a ban right now and It is a way to stop Americans from dying from terrorist activities by the people banning them By the people coming to the United States, then this is a stupid ban. That's my point. This is the wrong ban So even if you accept that which I don't but I'll explain what I do accept in a minute This ban just doesn't make any sense, right now you could say and I've seen I've seen it said that one of the issues is that The statute is limited to these seven countries But if you read the statute, that's just not true if you read the actual statute that passed under Obama the statute allows For the expansion of the list if you believe a particular country poses and Immigrants from a particular country pose a threat to the security of the United States the list can be expanded So there's no legislative frauds I can tell As far as I can tell The list is it can be expanded the list can be reviewed If you are willing to claim that they are that there's a real threat The problem is that neither Obama nor Trump nor George W. Bush no Most of our politicians are willing to say That the regime in Saudi Arabia is the second biggest sponsor of terrorism in the world after Iran and that they are That they are part of the problem that they are the enemy. I don't know any American politician or very few American politicians who actually are willing to say that right so This list would not have prevented the the tourists from coming in On 9 11 to attack the towers. It would have done nothing to prevent that so Because the terrorists were from Saudi Arabia from Egypt. Oh, by the way, Lebanon is not on the list That's kind of curious one of the 9 11 terrorists was from Lebanon and Lebanon, of course is the home of Chis Bala Chis Bala's is probably one of the most violent terrorist organizations killing Americans and other people all over the world They haven't done it in the United States Other than you know 9 11 and others but but it's kind of curious that they are not on the list That Lebanon is not on the list again. So this is my point This list has nothing to do with securing America. There's zero evidence that this list has anything to do with securing America That making us safer preventing terrorist attack. This list has everything to do with appeasing Donald Trump's base. This list has everything to do with Fooling you. This is completely consistent with the whole modus operandi of Donald Trump And and the new right or the alt-right or whatever you want to call it of of pretending a faking of lying That they care about the security of the United States of doing things that represent increasing security of the United States when actually It doesn't when actually it's just trying to appease the base and trying to increase their power and has nothing to do with security If they had at least put on Saudi Arabia and put on some of these other countries I would have said, you know, I disagree with this particular policy But I get it at least they're trying to protect America from terrorism But the list is such that that is not a credible position to even have it's just not credible again You guys will defend Donald Trump no matter what he does as he said as Donald Trump said He could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody dead and you guys would still cheer him on and defend him So, you know, what is stunning what is stunning about this and everything else about this past election Is the extent to which people are willing to defend this president blindly It criticized everything Obama did and I often agreed with but defend Trump blindly Even when he does things that are equivalent to what Obama did before this list could have been different. It could have been expanded It didn't have to happen at all The risks of delaying this of doing a proper list of thinking it through of integrating immigration policy towards people from Islamic countries to better integrating that into a whole farm policy that deals with terrorism that deals with the Islamist threat to the West and to the United States We could have waited. It's not like that terrorist attacks happening every day in the United States. They're very very rare They're very very few of it. There's no rush Plus the it fits into the whole Attitude that Trump has about demonizing people demonizing groups demonizing groups that are convenient You know, I I am not for I am against just to be on the record. I'm against the United States Spending money to bring it refugees into the United States. I'm against redistribution of wealth from Americans to refugees I think that's him all to do that Right, but I'm all for the United States accepting refugees if they are vetted, you know, let's vet them Let's be really rigorous about vetting them But not to accept refugees who are running from authoritarianism who escaping totalitarianism These are kind of people we've always accepted in this country These are kind of people who tend to assimilate to accept our values and to embrace freedom and this is as true of Most Muslim immigrants as it is and and all the studies and surveys that have looked at Islamic immigration shows that in America Not in Europe, but in America They have assimilated. I mean, we're not talking about floods of tens of millions. We're talking about relatively low levels of immigration Now again, I don't agree with subsidizing any immigration and most refugees are being subsidized 100% by the US government That is a travesty But he all against refugees and Muslim immigrants and so on Is just hysterical and and ridiculous. Okay, we got some phone calls and by the way you can call in you can live tweet this And you could call 347 324 3075 I know many of you disagree with what I'm saying so call in and tell me why why am I wrong? Why am I wrong? But you know call in 347 324 3075 Yeah, and press one when you call in so that I know you're calling in not just to listen to the show But to actually ask a question or make a comment or participate in the discussion. All right Hi, you on the Iran book show. Who's this? Peter hey, Peter. How's it going? Pretty good big fan, so yeah, I definitely agree with you that that Saudi Arabia that this list could have been expanded but at the same time I think we have to be careful about who we are letting in especially what's going on in Europe and especially the fact that a lot of These countries are hotbeds of jihadi violence and a lot of these people are in from What we know could be supporters of ISIS just Infiltrating the refugee movement, so I think we need to be really careful about who we yeah Who we are letting in and I think Processes needs to be a little bit better. Yeah, I mean, I agree with you I I think we should have rigorous vetting processes for anybody coming in Fundamentally, but I think that the two the two things that I would point out that are revealing about this list And why I don't buy that this has anything to do with national security Is who's on the list? That is the biggest sponsor Of Islamic Sunni terrorism is Saudi Arabia and they're not on the list So how can you how can you have build a wall if you will and then have huge gaps in the wall where you're inviting people to cross in and You know and the second issue is This is all pathetic in the context of What really needs to be done to win a war win, but I want to say something else about your comparison to Europe look Europe has a border with the Middle East It has a small sea called the Mediterranean It has access to Turkey access to other parts of Of central Asia There is You know there is millions and millions and millions of Muslims could if the Turks allowed it Uh travel into Europe Unstopped And they did to some extent have and they've created real problems in Europe There's no question that they're real problems in Europe and I've talked about Islamic integration in immigration into Europe is being a real problem The United States Has a Atlantic ocean separating it from parts of the Middle East and if you add them at a terrain and it's halfway around the world It's very difficult to get here They don't have the money or the resources to traverse those distances Very few of them make it. There is no massive Immigration by Muslims into the united states We're talking about at best at most thousands or low tens of thousands of Muslims coming into America in any given year Yes, they should be vetted and they can be vetted because they're not crossing an You know as illegal immigrants across the southern border There's very little of that happening Most of them are just flying in and they can be vetted most of them have visas And the visa process could be improved to improve the vetting But that's not what's being proposed if it's true that they're coming in through Mexico then that that could also pose a problem Yeah, but there are very few coming in from Mexico because how did they get to Mexico? I mean think about the look at a map take a map out and think about the difficulty Of having to cross the Atlantic Ocean And then climbing up through South America or through Mexico, whatever into America And how many people that is that we are not being invaded by muslim hordes Now you can't say that about about europe they there. It's real. It's a real danger. It's right there in front of them But it is not It is not At the same level anyway near that level in the united states and and one of the things that Trump and the right have done Is turn this into an issue which people are hysterical about and fearful about And and and therefore they're willing to do things that americans typically wouldn't do But it's all riling up this emotion of fear in order to get something done that isn't there is Right now in the united states The threat of terrorism from islamist is relatively is very low The the the violence and everything else associated with islam that might be happening that is happening in some places in europe Is just there's very little evidence. It's happening over here Uh and and could be dealt with pretty easily over here because it's isolated and the number of muslims in the united states It's so small it's just not an issue Unless we make it an issue And trump has to be incentive to make it an issue because it's part of his whole campaign To to cause us to be afraid so that he could come in with big solutions. Go ahead. I'm sorry peter No, no, I was just going to say that I think it would have Even more of an issue if taylor had been elected He probably would have increased the number because if you look at the data, um david french wrote this in his article about the amount of immigrants that have We've we've taken in over the over the years our refugees specifically rather. Um, it's actually not as It's actually a lot less. Yep. Then um in recent years, and I think obama And hillary would have probably increased the number. Well, they might have Remember even under obama. I had a list. I'll see if I can find it I had a list of the number of muslim immigrants who came who've come in Uh under obama and the numbers the numbers absolutely are small except for the last year because there were a lot of Syrian refugees and we accepted a lot of Syrian refugees and you're right Hillary would have would have increased that now. Let let me be clear. I keep saying this on my radio show It's irrelevant at this point the election is over Trump won it's irrelevant at this point what hillary would have done This is what donald trump is doing. Do we like it or don't we like it not relative what hillary would have done She's gone. She's irrelevant to the equation We have to live with the donald trump presidency And are we gonna just accept it because hillary would have been worse or are we gonna criticize it when we think he's doing something bad That's all so I agree with you hillary would have been worse on this, but that's but it's irrelevant hillary lost She's not a player anymore. It's us and trump Do we just accept everything he does because he's better than hillary or do we criticize him so that we move the goalposts To a better end so maybe in the future We would have a president who's much better than hillary and much better than donald trump if we just accept trump This is what we're gonna get and I think it's pretty bad what we're gonna get because I think he's awful Now I I agree with that. I I was I was only pointing out that um, I think that there was still potential for us to maybe end up like Europe Um, no, there's no potential for that because the amount of refugee There's just no potential for that just if you look at sheer numbers It can't add up to that. We're talking about in terms of the millions and millions of people Europe is orders of magnitude and bigger trouble than we are. I mean 13 of the french population Is muslim and many of those are radicalized in the united states Uh, it's the number is I can't you know, again, I is closer to one percent between one and two percent And they are far far far far less radicalized than they are in europe They are much better assimilated they have they've used a much less radical than they are in europe So there is no risk There is no risk and and I'm confident in this one that that the united states as any is is uh, as threatened by islam as europe is Uh, you know, you got to worry about europe because I care about europe And there's a real threat over there But the united states, I mean this is just People being made to feel scared. There's nothing there. There's no there They not to say that they're not going to be terrorist attacks. They will be and they are going to be in We should do everything in our power to stop them. I'll talk in a little while about how to stop them This is not going to do it but um But it's It's not the case again that we are under some threat of massive even under hillary massive muslim immigration hillary would have still, you know, we'd have got 20 000 syrian immigrants in or even 100 000 syrian immigrants in Which is bad, right? Because it's hard to vet 100 000 people is not anywhere near the problem they have in In uh, europe plus again, we are so good relatively speaking at assimilation as compared to europe europeans Really suck at assimilation. I mean they're really really bad at it Anyway, thanks for calling peter. I appreciate it We've got a bunch of other calls and remember where's my there's the mouse remember, you can you can call in at 347-324-3075 347-324-3075 press 1 if you want to actually be on the on the show Because otherwise I your number appears, but I just think you're You're listening and I don't know that you actually want to make a comment or ask a question Hi, you're new on book show. Who's this? Hi, it's jennifer michigan. Hey jennifer, how's it going? Good, how are you? I'm I'm good. I'm good in spite of being mad. I'm good Oh I was just wondering um, well, why do you think our government seems so afraid to Saudi Arabia? I read somewhere that trump has businesses there. I don't know if that has anything to do with what he left it off But what did you thought about that? Well, I certainly think that trump probably has and trump associates and people surrounding trump Have significant business relationships with Saudi Arabia Uh, certainly rex tillison from his exxon days. It has a certain affinity to Saudi Arabia I'm sure he dealt with him a lot But I actually think it goes deeper. It goes to The unwillingness of anybody including donald trump Donald trump is all bluster. There's no egoism there. There's no rational self interest in donald trump He's conventional at the end of the day in his analysis um, and to identify To identify Saudi Arabia as the enemy one would have to take a number of steps one What would have to identify the enemy as um radical You know Islamism so as islamic totalitarianism something like that and donald trump to his credit Has done that Then one would have to understand what that is And who advocates for it now you have to make a list of all these countries now It becomes harder because now you have to be assertive now You have to actually say in spite of the fact that we've always been best friends with the Saudis The Saudis actually are funding You know the biggest funders of islamic terrorism in the world and they You know funded radicalization in mosques all over the world and every terrorist attack in the united states Has originated in a mosque that's been funded by the Saudis All that is I think all that is factual You'd have to have a backbone. You'd actually have to go against The entire farm policy establishment The entire you know oil energy industry you'd have to go against so many interests of the social you'd actually have to have A real moral backbone And I don't believe trump has a backbone. I really think he's convention. He's a wimp In a sense that I think that he is He doesn't seem to have a real self-esteem He's got a thin skin And he won't take a real stand That upsets I don't know, uh, you know in the one hand, he's willing to upset people um on the other hand He's not and it's really interesting to try to see the differences But I think the fact That he has and many people around him have business interests in Saudi Arabia impacts that the fact that they are perceived to be allies Impacts that You know, I think there's a lot that goes into it, but it's The generals are opposed to it because think about what the implications are identifying Saudi Arabia's an enemy It means george w bush was wrong His entire policy in the middle east was wrong, which which I I agree with that statement But it would take a lot of guts to say that it means That uh, we by buying Saudi oil in a sense of being we're not dealing with Saudi Arabia Funding terrorism against ourselves for all these years, which is true, but it requires actually accepting that um And it would mean now that it would mean now that we would have to probably go to war with Saudi Arabia And who's willing to do that? You know think about think about what he's listed when I read the actual um You know the actual Yeah, and I've I've lost it. Unfortunately the actual list of you know, what the basis is for banning somebody they had to be people who who Believed in honor killings. They should be they should not be allowed into the country And I mean what's Saudi male or how many Saudi males don't believe in honor killings So are you really going to use that test on Saudis? I mean, these are people who stone women to death for adultery. They chop people's hands off of stealing They don't allow women to drive So, yeah, it's such hypocrisy, but it's worse than hypocrisy. It's so thinking and unessential. So I you know They they are afraid they're afraid of their own shadow all of these people afraid including donald trump Yeah, yeah, it seems like he can he'll upset people about things that aren't very Important but something like you said something substantial like that. He doesn't really have the nerve to do it Yeah, he doesn't have the nerve to do that. He doesn't have the knowledge to do it You know, you have to have knowledge you have to be able to examine them at least objectively You have to think about them at least Um, and I don't think he and his advisors can think in those terms I don't think and I also don't think they care that much again So this is my view of trump now and people accusing me of not being objective But this has been my view of trump For a year and I hold to it because I think he's done nothing to change my mind um I don't think trump abandoned care about them at least The middle east is a foil for them to establish their nationalist economic nationalist agenda And they need us to hate somebody in order for them to reduce our freedoms Which is what that which is what every authoritarian whatever fascist does now I'm not saying trumps are fascist, but he's moving us in that direction and he uses Fascist techniques through and through it's as if they've studied them And I wouldn't be surprised if bannon indeed has studied them just like we accused Uh, what's his name? Uh, um obama of being a devotee of a linsky Well, yes, and and trump is a devotee of of kind of fascist techniques of ruling and of seeking power We need an enemy. So you establish these islamist as enemies, which is relatively easy to do But you don't focus it on the real enemies because you have no incentive to really do that You don't actually want to deal with the enemy. All you want to do is create fear create Patriotism a false sense of patriotism in americans. So they follow you, right? So they follow you and that's being my objective analysis Of of trump all along and every day he does something new to convince me Uh, that's uh that i'm right because this is an example if you really cared about the security of the united states of america This isn't the list you would have put together That makes sense not proving you wrong so far is he no unfortunately not I wish he was I mean some people think I just hate or I hate trump No, I hate what he stands for. I hate what he says I am waiting for him to prove me wrong so I can I would love To have a president someday somewhere where I can say I agree with most of what he does But it hasn't happened yet. It hasn't happened in my lifetime And I doubt it's going to happen and my job is to criticize them whether they're on the right on the left and particularly when they're on the Weird fringe crazy, right? Which I think I think uh, I think this administration seems to be uh going in that direction And and I hear I still am in hood. Please call me if you if you have an argument A legit a real argument for why I'm wrong I I people people just what they do is they post that I'm wrong On the chat and other places, but I haven't heard an argument why I'm wrong. I'm eager to hear it Thanks for calling. Thanks for listening. Really appreciate it. Thank you. Yep All right, uh, let's see. We've got one other call again call three four seven three two four three zero seven five eager to hear your argument Um everything. It's happening around us. Everything. It's happened that donald trump is doing Just proved everything is just just proving more and more What I have been saying, uh that uh Over the last year and by the way the first one of the first people in the entire country To state that islamist were the enemy our real enemy and gave a actual Plan of how to deal with the enemy was me in in before september 11th and certainly after september 11th so um, I'm not uh, you know a a You know and and lenard was before me. Lenard peak up was before me, but we In objectivism were the first ones and we've got a plan I published my plan I it's in a book You know, you could go read my plan for for it's called winning than winnable war. Go find winning than winnable war That's ai's plan For destroying the islamic threat and I'd like to see criticism of it. Call me up and tell me my plan is wrong And this is a better plan, but if this is not a better plan, then let me criticize it and again What the whole modus operandi of trump is to make us fearful is to make us afraid Is to create enemies and take real enemies but You know make them look, you know pretend that he's doing something about them like in this case right You know people are listing people from his administration that I should be positive for I am you know I'm pro I was very supportive of Betsy DeVos Who's pro education vouchers? Unfortunately, I don't think you can do much at the federal level to encourage vouchers because that's a state issue I'm for general mathis. You know of all the generals out there. He might be the best So I'm you know defense secretary He he he might be good if if they let him do what he what he needs to do Let's see the pentagon is supposed to present a plan on how to defeat isis in 30 days Let's see what that plan looks like again I presented my plan I my plan is in writing. It's in a book Right, I've got a plan. I mentioned my plan all the time and I'll talk about the plan in a few minutes I want to see what their plan is and will their plan mentioned Saudi Arabia Will their plan mentioned Qatar the number one fund of isis in the world and yet we have a military base in Qatar Well, will it mention the real enemies? I don't see it yet. I'm still waiting to see Right still waiting to see but All I see from people who disagree with me is a blind loyalty a blind loyalty to Trump and everything he says everything he says Uh a claim against anybody opposes him. Oh, you're just from the mainstream media as if that's an argument That that's all I see from from those who are who are who disagree I'd like to see a reason disagreement and uh Particularly on this issue where I'm I'm much more of a of a strong position and the idea that the Saudis are suddenly cooperating Yeah, right and and this is and how would you know that for my intelligence services? These are the intelligence services that trump criticized just a few weeks ago as incompetent and irrelevant and to some extent I agreed with him at the time because Uh the intelligence services have in the past in terms of big picture analysis always gotten it wrong They have bad analysis. They they were the ones the CIA was the one who told us the soviet union Was doing great economically Right, they're the ones Who who who didn't get 9 11? They're the ones who to this day. Don't believe Saudi Arabia is a threat. Yeah I mean you you you're gonna defend Trump no matter what right when he criticizes them and when he supports them you're gonna defend them All right, we got another caller. Hi, you're in the you're on book show four eight area code. Who's this? Hello You're in the you're on box. Hi. My name is chandra. Ah, there you are. Hi chandra. How are you? Hi, I'm good I've been I've been listening to this show for quite a long time now So to start with I'm not a trump supporter or voter. I'm an Indian immigrant living in America On an h1 visa. So I doubt would I ever vote for trump if I Get a citizenship as well, but then on this Section I've got certain views. So I would like to share them with you. Sure. Go ahead So so, uh, I've got four questions. Actually, I I'll try to put them as succinct as possible Uh, I I agree that, you know, most of the people who attacked During 9 11 were from Saudi Arabia, but uh, keeping this ban in mind Is there any evidence that funding from Saudi Arabia is not being used to influence other people from the Middle Eastern countries? Okay, let me answer that name. I'll let you ask the next question. Is that okay? Yeah, we do the questions one at the time. It's easier for me. You're right Uh, there's plenty of evidence to show that Saudi money is being used to radicalize people all over the Middle East and other in other countries Including the seven countries listed here. They support radical groups. Uh, they support. They also fund Madrasas and radicalizations in places like Afghanistan and Pakistan and any Muslim country in the world Where you see large mosques Where people are being radicalized Um, it's Saudi. It's almost always if it's from a Sunni perspective, it's almost always Saudi money So, yes, they are helping radicalize people in many other countries go ahead Okay So now so obviously there there is an evidence or there is a light proof that people from these countries also might have got influenced Agree. So when they say that exactly these people citizens from these countries have not attacked America Should we wait for 195 those 195 of such incidents before we take action? That is one. Okay. So let me answer that. No, I don't think you should but Isn't it strange that the countries where we already know have committed terrorist acts And I live for and there's no reason to believe anything's changed in those countries Um, why are they off the list? That's what I'm asking. So I'm not saying this seven shouldn't be on a list If they if you had a list, but why not Egypt? Why not united arab emirates and why not Saudi uabo? Why not pakistan and why not afghanistan? Where we know they've committed terrorist activities against the against americans And there's no reason to believe they won't in the future. So I'm not saying you shouldn't include the seven I'm just saying if you're gonna have a list. Why isn't it a bigger list? I'm just asking the question Right. So I think probably there would be a question to that as an answer So why can't we look at this as a vetting on the people with philosophically handicapped ideologies because people who believe in religiously believe in supernatural and Who's got very eccentric? Ideological philosophies won't they dilute america's strong philosophy of individualism if they are let into the society? No, well, yes and no No, because if we had a strong individualistic philosophy in america, which I think is I think our individualistic philosophy Is is watered down dramatically over the last 50 to 100 years? I don't you know, given the last election I don't I don't know that americans really have a strong individualistic philosophy because the two candidates were both Absolutely collectivists both of them. So there wasn't anywhere anybody close to being an individualist on the ballot So I suspect we don't have one but what america has always succeeded in doing Is taking people who have a different philosophy And assimilating them and assimilating them to Our philosophy and if you look at if you look at even people from muslim countries And you look at research that looks at their views when they come into the country And they've used 10 years later and the views of their children There's massive evidence that that assimilation continues Not as well as it should because we as americans don't have the right ideas But continues at a pretty good pace even among muslim immigrants So I don't fear that what I what I do think and I agree with you on this We should be vetting those who have violent tendencies You know, certainly if they hold If they hold that the sharia should be imposed Through violence that that it's okay to kill women because you know if they're if they're For whatever reason that murder is okay Any of those things Honor killings any of those things or if they support isis or support al-qaeda in any way They should not be accepted into the united states. I completely agree that vetting muslims for For ideas that are violent Should be part of it But once you start vetting for philosophies that are inconsistent with the american philosophy That is a power. I do not want to give government Now if they promised me that the only people doing the vetting What people want to stood american philosophy as well as you do Then yeah, okay, but we know that's not the case and we know that will never be the case so I don't want to give I I want to shrink government's power I want to shrink government's control over my life not expand it and that would be a massive expansion on government power Right, but but I also doubt if america really uh blends in individualistic Philosophy into people who come in because we have got j.p. Morgan's and other people who were born and you know Maybe they for most part. They were in america still supported at all fitler and nazism So I don't think america as a country would inculcate individualism into everybody who comes into Well, not everybody but that was the point I was making earlier americans don't have the individualism tendency anymore People who born here don't have it because educational system doesn't teach it So it's not immigrants that are the problem. It's us. It's immigration. It's our education system It's our political system. It's our ideology. It's our intellectuals That's the problem today immigrants are footnotes to that problem Right, right and and the final closing question. Yeah, uh, so my my doubt is like should us USA be a charitable home for all the naked savages around the world Because is it not economic cannibalism to try to stomach these people even though our own people are not well off financially right now Well, no, but it doesn't have to be right immigrants are not it's not a zero-sum immigration is not a zero-sum So start with the fact that Real savages can't come to the united states because they're poor too poor to actually get here We shouldn't subsidize them and absolutely we shouldn't provide them with welfare And we shouldn't we shouldn't provide them with anything like that. But if people want to come here to work Then that work is not a zero-sum work isn't additive So work adds value it adds wealth it adds prosperity to everybody else around us So I have no problem with people coming here if they're willing to work But I seriously doubt any of these people would land in america if they are asked to work instead of taking Yeah, but that's that's just factually not true Because the united states, uh, most of these people do work 90 of them work very few of them land up on welfare relative in europe You're right in europe It's a real problem because as soon as they get as soon as they cross the border into europe They're handed a check and they're giving housing But in spite of the how bad our welfare state is We are nowhere near as bad as europe and it's still true the most mexicans who come here But even most muslims who come here actually Work at the end of the day. I mean so Yes, some of them go on welfare, but that's a small minority of them now. Sure. Let's fight the welfare state Let's reduce welfare. Let's eliminate welfare Right. I'm all for that But let's again not mix the problems the problem of welfare is not the problem of immigration It let's let's only admit people into the country Who are committed to finding a job? Let's advocate for that. I'm all for that But that's not what these restrictions are about. That's not what donald trump is about. He never said that He just said we don't want mexicans or we don't want You know most illegals who come into the country work Because they can't get welfare as illegals and they work they and and one of the reasons they come here is because they want to work And they pay taxes because they work and their taxes are deducted from their work Anyway Thanks for being a listener Thanks for listening. Thanks. I appreciate it. All right. We got we got lots of callers today. That's good. How are you on the uran book show? Who's this? Hi, this is eric from new hampshire. Hi, eric. How are you? I'm doing good. Yeah, I just wanted to mention something related to this which is Around 2000 I think nine or ten. I was teaching english in ewu china. Okay, and uh at that time one of my students Was an iraqi And uh, he was a businessman, you know buying products from china selling them in iraq And I guess he made a lot of money doing that and uh Um, he expressed to me his interest in visiting the u.s. Yeah And I you know, I helped him doing I helped him doing that And uh, he seemed to be a good guy. He was very nice very friendly. Um, I like talking with him a lot You know nicer than many americans. I've met sure. So what were you going with this? Uh, yeah Yeah, well, well, but this ban. Yeah, we're excluded be able to come. Yeah, let me let me give you even more egregious egregious example um Part of some of the people who are held up at the airport last night, uh, they'd be released partially because of a judge's order And partially because the ban that that uh, trump signed it has has the ability to the officials have ability to exclude individuals But some of the people stopped at the border were people who had helped american troops translators And others who had helped american troops in um In it iraq during during the war, these are clearly american allies These are people who wanted to help america They were anti the terrorists and they helped american forces to defeat the terrorists There is a now the ban is not being implemented towards afghanistan But there's a good example of a woman if the ban was expanded to afghanistan. There's a woman Who is the first afghan? fighter pilot first pilot and and fighter pilots in afghan, uh air force Right, and she's a woman and she's constantly under death threats in afghanistan and she she believes in women's, uh, you know Uh in inequality and she loves america and and she's a secularist And she is just and she was in america for training And she asked for political asylum, so she wouldn't have to go back To afghanistan because of all the death threats she gets there From not just the taliban, but people affiliate with the government over there because it's so Anti women and anti western so are we gonna grant her? She's a hero Shouldn't we grant her asylum will this administration grant her asylum if the ban was expanded would they? So i agree with you. I mean a blanket ban on people from these countries Um is is a huge mistake Uh, they're good people. They're bad people. Let's really vet them and let's figure out who they are So Eric thanks for calling really appreciate it. It's always good to hear from you I'm gonna take one more call in a minute on the chat somebody's saying look you're on and I hear this all the time Immigrants all vote democratic Well two things one is immigrants only can vote after they become citizens and that's a pretty lengthy process Um, and I'm all for by the way and have said so on many occasions making it very difficult to become citizens When it comes to citizenship, I think you should know a lot about the american constitution I think you should know a lot about the american founding principles of this country I think there's a lot more that should be done with regard to citizenship Visiting here having a visa to come to this country is not the same As citizenship having the ability to work in this country is not the same as citizenship I believe strongly It should be easy to come to this country to work And it should be hard to become a citizen of this country Okay, but above and beyond that just the empirics. Yes All immigrant groups going back a hundred years tend to initially vote overwhelmingly democratic And then with each generation post that that seems to diminish And it's there's plenty of evidence strong evidence that this is also true of for example, spanish immigrants muslim immigrants other immigrants That they become less and less A democratic one more republican, but there's also an assumption here Which I think is wrong and that is that the democrats are the bad guys and the republicans are the good guys I don't buy that. I know many of you think that's unequivocal I think democrats and republicans are bad guys Right, I think it the whole political spectrum is bad guys. I think collectivism is evil and bad And and certain elements within the republican party are worse than the democratic party So I don't buy this it's we're on the right with the republicans I'm not on the right with the republicans not this is why I'm so critical Of trump and everybody else right and I was critical of bush because I take them I take principle by principle issue by issue And guiding principle by guiding principle That's what interests me is where are they leading this country to and both democrats and republicans are leading this country into an abyss Into an abyss any some senses Democrats will make it faster in other senses republicans are going to make it faster and the fact that a republican a tough guy like trump Does a band that's pathetic like this? Is is is it's not a good thing not a good thing? all right to the extent that republicans are pro-immigration, but they're not anymore right which is which is Oh, unbelievably sad. I don't believe it. All right. We got one more caller 504 a record. Hi. You're new on book show Hey, you're on this is nick You did a great much better job on Gavin McKinnon's show by the way. I'm sorry. He rudely cut you off at the end But I think that was a joke. I hope you got it, but uh, anyway, I'm calling what do you mean? I've did a better job better job is compared to what? Compared to today because you're not being objective again Attacking the trump fans, which I am one. I'm not a hundred percent trump family against the band not As bad as you are. I think it's impractical and you think given McGinnis cut me off as a joke So cutting people off is a joke Really? Well, it was a joke in a sense that you're too smart for him and he couldn't answer your question So he's jokingly made a face Well, but that's not a joke. That's admitting that he's not smart enough to handle my questions Well, but he wasn't trying to hide. I'm that's the way he is with everybody. Don't don't take it personally. I don't take any of this personally Yeah, go ahead. Yeah Anyway, but I wanted to uh, but you did you did do a great job that day So, um, but today, uh, the main thing is I I make points all the time on trump and none of them get answered Uh, so I I don't know why go ahead make the points Here's your opportunity. Make the points One at a time so I can answer them because I can't do more than one at a time One at a time. All right. The main point about today even though I'm against this is practical I I think uh, the attacks on him are wrong. First of all, we're in the middle of this He said this is a stopgap measure. He's trying to stop the bleeding Uh, the first thing I would do is if I see if I'm an objective, can I can I answer that? I wouldn't immediately Hold on, but I have the thoughts not complete. I'll let you answer. It's real real quick I would say look at the list and go well, this list isn't complete and they're leaving off the number one terrorist countries Why is that and I would not run to the microphone or blog or whatever and start Well, see he must have businesses there and this I first asked the So, so you did you listen to the show today? One last point. One last point. Yeah When did when did when did trump businesses? I'll let you make the last point Let me just answer this point When did trumps business business connections come up? How far into the show did that happen? No, no, no, no, no, no, no I didn't mean that you did. I'm sorry. Okay. Well, let's but let's let's finish this Uh as an objectivist, how did I start the show off today? Attacking trump did I say the list is is incomplete? Yes. Did I give evidence that the list is incomplete? Yes Go ahead Well, but you don't know why he left them off the list For instance, maybe he's talking in the back. Maybe for instance, this is just hypothesis because we don't it's not done yet But uh, maybe he's talking to some countries and they're willing to do things on their own So he doesn't have to so did I address that question? Did I address that question over the last hour and 10 minutes? Yes, I did I addressed that question by saying that I wouldn't trust a word that the Saudi Arabians told me That the history with our relations to Saudi Arabia is such that nobody should trust the word that they tell us So I now I might be wrong. Let's let's get this right. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Let me finish I might be wrong. It could be that donald trump is doing stuff in the background That would that in a few weeks. I will say wow That's amazing. I was wrong But you know what I have to judge everything Based on all the evidence in front of me and the evidence right now The evidence of donald trump the evidence of the people surrounding him everything I have said today Is based on all the evidence we have now The difference between you and so many me and so many of you guys is I'm not willing to give him an inch When it comes to credit because I don't think he deserves it So I don't believe he's doing something good in the background Well, now that he might be right he might be but I don't believe it And you wouldn't have done that if it was obama you would have not never given him an inch in the background Maybe he's doing something good at the beginning of his administration. So I don't I I think I've been incredibly objective today and uh, and I didn't rush to say he's got business interest I think he does and I've said that in the past, but I didn't blame this on that I actually said I think this is a pattern among all of our establishment who refused to take on the saudis bush refused it And almost every republican out there has refused it and trump is continuing The same wimpy path. Now if he proves me wrong You'll call up and you'll tell me you're on you were wrong But you can't do that yet Go ahead. Well, I mean, but you're basing it. You're saying you're saying the path You're saying I'm not giving him an inch because of the path But I'm saying you're you're uh Description of the past your idea of what the past is is wrong. I disagree with you You're saying he's a bad person because of the past therefore. I'm not giving him That's fine. So we disagree on that Let's accept the fact that my evaluation of donald trump is a human being and as a president is different than yours But given that that evaluation Did I treat this issue? Objectively, or did I just run off and attack him uh irrationally and and I think I treated this given that Based on my evaluation of since he started running for president of everything he's done I have a very very very low evaluation all based on facts, by the way, which you disagree with that's fine But given that This is my evaluation of what he's done. You know, you you want me to pretend that I don't think That he is a everything I think about him and just pretend that this is a blank slate I mean that that that is irrational Unobjective and would be wrong of me to do If there's evidence to suggest that I'm wrong about donald trump You know, I want the facts and when he when he goes after saudi arabia strong and really stands up for it You will call up and say you're on here's a fact. Here's where you are wrong about donald trump I have yet to see facts like that when they happen You know, I'll acknowledge my failures Well, you don't think that islam by its essence is an objective threat to america and it'd be like stopping nazis from coming into No, I don't when we're at war. I don't and I've said that for years. I I don't think Being muslim makes you a threat to the united states. I think there is a difference Between being a muslim and being a muslim committed to violence And if you're a muslim committed to violence, then you are an objective threat to the united states And and if you're just if you're and what I call an everyday muslim, I don't think you're a threat to the united states And let me say again for the sake of objectivity I know something about islam. I've lived with muslims. I know muslims in ways that most of you Don't and and have never had Haven't studied it anywhere near as much as I've studied it and have not Interacted with muslims anywhere near the amount I've interacted with them. So and I've I've been threatened by them I've had guns pointed at me. I know what that's like and I can separate because I'm an individualist I look at individuals and I look at ideas. I I believe idea shape and there's a difference There's a fundamental difference between what I consider everyday muslims and between muslims who are willing to use violence in the name of their religion and You know the one I would ban I would unbelievably ban I would do much more than trump will ever do I mean, I I haven't gotten to this and and now's the time. I'll I'll spend the last 15 minutes Uh, if you'll the last 15 minutes are telling people what I would do to deal with the islamic threat And then measure me versus trump, right? Let me say what I would do about the threat And then measure that against what trump is going to do over the next four years and you tell me Who is more? Cognizant of the threat and who's willing to do more in order to defend americans I am much more america first than trump is ever gonna be Can I give you one criticism of that before you go into the description of what you would do Just so you can put maybe you can integrate it in your chair So, uh, I Islam I agree that most of them are peaceful, but I think they are like turks on sunday christian They are they are cheating on their religion and one other thing I have about that Of course they're cheating on their religion, but 90 let me just let me just address that 99 percent of christians are cheating on their religions and so almost jews cheating on their religions I agree with all of that. I don't disagree with that They're not waging war on us But well, but neither are the more neither are the ones who want or cheating on their religion If you're cheating on your religion, then you're not waging war against me What I what the people are waging war against me are the consistent muslims fine. Let's go after them But but one more point on the the cheating muslim my words not there That uh, they they are not only not cheating, but I think I don't see the muslim the peaceful muslim community Freaking out. I mean I would be Epiplectic if uh if a group that I had to belong to was committing these violent acts I would be organizing or you know organizations and protesting and stop Resparching our name. I don't see this. I I see a some words to see some organizations. I actually I don't disagree with you times more than what you see I don't disagree with you and and that's that's why my vetting my vetting of people coming into this country from muslim countries would be really Stringent and I agree with you about many muslims here particularly many of like organizations like care in the united states They are part of the enemy and I would be a lot tougher on them. I don't see that here. I mean, I'm waiting to see Where there's real toughness Against the real enemy. I want to see that enemy defined and really gone after this is not it set these seven countries You know and now you might be right in a month He might come out with something new and you will call me and say you're on you were wrong See he just needed time and he was heading in that direction. My estimation is he doesn't know what that direction is And that's just my estimation, right? That's my based on everything. I know about the world That's my view, but I don't disagree with you about the state of islam in the world I don't disagree with you fundamentally about Who the enemy is and we should really be watching these people I said right after 9 11 we should be and I've said it often about the nsa The nsa should have every muslim in america's phone basically tapped They just shouldn't be listening to me, but they should be listening to muslims because because that's where the possible threat is So don't you know, don't listen to everybody listen to do profiling. I'm all for profiling I've always been for profiling. So Look, you're not gonna outflank me In terms of defending america and understanding islam. All right, we're running out of time And I do want to say what I would do right and I started right there. Thank you Thanks for calling and look guys You know call me and challenge me You know I just think uh many of you uh wrong. All right. Here's here's the thing guys I believe with war I believe we really at war and It's not it. This is not a hypothetical. I think 9 11 was the declaration of war But I think the real war as again, I've said many times the real war started uh in uh on november 4th 1979 a date That that should go down in infamy because it was the date that the iranians took over the american embassy Into heran and that I think was the beginning of a war against the united states by the islamists islamists of shia and sunni doesn't matter but these are Islamists right and they're attacking us and they want us to kill the killers now They're not very successful. They haven't killed a lot of americans the chances of you dying Of a terrorist attack a miniscule miniscule and that's not going to change But that why should we have any chance of dying in a terrorist attack? Why shouldn't we drive those probabilities to zero? Because they are Uh child molesters out there, but your child has a very low probability of being molested. You don't say well Let's not go after the molesters No, that's not an argument, right? So you got to crush this enemy So I believe and have said this since 9 12 2001 That we should declare war on islamic totalitarianism We should identify the main the countries that are supporting funding arming and ideologically Answering these ideas. I think they're primarily two countries, Saudi Arabia and Iran We should identify the organizations the terrorist organizations And the intellectual organizations that fund support and are actively engaged in terrorist Activities and planning against the united states our kaida isis khamas islamic jihad khizbala the muslim brotherhood And then I would take those countries and take those are going to the stations and I would crush them I would make it so painful So that nobody ever thought That is that that that the islamists had any chance of winning that the islamists have any chance Of succeeding I would take the the the whole element of Allah is in your side I would destroy that So that they would never think that Allah is on their side and they would have to question Really really question What they are doing? Why they are being crushed? Why they are being humiliated? I would humiliate them militarily And I would call out their ideology for the barbarism that it is And I would cause them to question an ideology This is what we did the japanese after world war two and this is what needs to be done in the middle east and until we do that in the middle east Until we do that in the middle east then we will not Be successful you cannot build and I didn't get to building wall. You cannot build walls and defend yourself What you need to do is go to where they live And make it clear to them that they should never ever ever ever mess with americans Because they Will die if they do And they will suffer if they do and their families and loved ones will suffer if they do That's how you end wars. That's how we've always ended wars throughout history wars don't end unless you do that It's not pleasant. It's not nice. It's not even nice to talk about it. Who wants to talk about killing people and and people suffering But that's what needs to be done now. So I would declare war Now once you declare war In the context of war Now you could have the nsa listening to phone calls and reading emails and doing like that for the period of the war Now you can ban immigrants from all muslim countries or have you know big vetting processes and everything because it's war During world war two. We did not let nazis in during world war two. We did not net The japanese then immigrated into america And during a war you can listen into all their conversations Even if they are american citizens So I can't I can't tell you I can't emphasize enough how important it is to declare the enemy and declare war on the enemy and this cannot be done by the president This is the job of congress This is the division of powers congress Is the agency that declares war So congress needs to declare war and give the president the tools necessary to win that war that war in my view is easy to win If you actually destroy The two centers Saudi Arabia and Iran I mean Eliminate those regimes then you will destroy the will to fight for the radicals If you make it clear to them that they and everybody around them will suffer They will stop now people say how is bombing Saudi Arabia gonna stop? Uh, you know terrorist attacks in san bandino. The only reason san bandino happens Is because they believe they will be successful because isis gains territory because this seems to be This seems to be A What do you call it? This seems to be a caliphate being forming and now I can go to heaven fighting for winning cars Nobody commits suicide for losing cars Nobody fights for losing cars long term There's a you know, there's a really good book on terrorism that was written by Netanyahu You know when he actually was thinking straight About terrorism what motivates them and how they how to deal with it and you got to crush their spirit You got to make it clear that they're on the losing side You got to make it clear that a caliphate will never ever happen. You got to make it clear that Allah Is not on their side Now somebody's asking me here why I don't testify don't testify where I don't understand I don't understand what you mean by Great Now why didn't I start with that? I didn't start with that because I you know, I've been saying this for years and years and years Most of you know this. This is not new. I've said it on this show many many times read Read nothing less than victory by John Oh my god Just look up nothing less than victory um Read winning than winnable war I mean read You know, everybody has an opinion everybody out there has an opinion everybody has an opinion about what I think but John lewis, you know, I'm embarrassed unbelievably to say that lewis dropped from my Ah, that's horrible. I'm getting old. Uh, john david lewis um Let's watch on youtube. You can go watch america versus americans. Dona lennon peacocks excellent, uh You know speech if you're interested in these issues if you're interested in these issues then Read about them before you you you develop a passionate opinion if you want to if you think you know what I stand for then You know investigate a little bit all right anyway That's my view on how to win a war and that's a view I've been articulating for over 15 years And uh and Donald trump and george w bush and the republicans and all these people are wimps But they're not just wimps. It's not about the issue of cowardice. It's an issue of ignorance It's an issue of ignorance of what america is about It's an issue of ignorance of what america first properly understood as defending the individual rights of americans first stands for What these people are are nationalists are collectivists and nothing good Nothing good will come from nationalism and collectivism You can't say well, you know, we need to tolerate collectivism in order to achieve this good over here so individualism Fighting for individual rights is what we're about And a ban on these seven countries in the way it's done is a clear violation of individual rights Do you know that they're stopping at the border people of green cards on what basis? Because they happen to have a passport from yemen They've already been vetted. They're ready, you know permanent residents of the united states This is this is rule of law This is individual rights, but no from a collectivistic perspective. They come from yemen All right, you want to investigate them investigate them in the united states They're basically residents of the united states You can't just out of no way say no more green can't hold us from these countries would be admitted. So Ah, okay. Well, we spent a lot of time today on phone calls So but that's good because I want you guys to participate. I want you guys to ask questions I still am not getting enough phone calls from you people who claim you violently disagree with me I'd like, you know, I want the challenge Come up and give me a call and and and and actually talk about What it is you think I'm wrong about I want facts. I want evidence What is my where's my estimation of donald trump wrong? What have I said that donald trump would do? I think of donald trump has been wrong Man up people come on. Don't just put stuff on the chat and run away And and I can't really follow the chat because i'm trying to run a show So I see half sentences call in let's see you Okay, maybe maybe next time right all right, so Keep an eye on this now. I'm glad the fed this fed these federal judges Have ruled a certain aspects of of this At least if states some of this stuff because I think there's enormous injustices going on at our airports But as I said, I think the fundamental is You got to define the enemy You got to declare war on the enemy You got to destroy the enemy in the process Ban The ban the enemy at the same time All right, ban them in at the same time. All right um We'll have to leave discussion of the wall to another time and I was going to talk about private public partnerships And I will do that as well for another time. Obviously. I'm against the wall and obviously I'm against public private partnerships We will uh But but we'll do that in the future and and and I really want to get into more philosophical content Although I hope that you see How this is Philosophical right when you think about individualism when you think about the role of government is protecting individual rights When you think about that is the purpose of government Is in the american government is supposed to protect the individual rights of americans Then it's much sharper As to what needs to be done In order to protect those rights then that is the entire focus And all this nonsense about You know, which muslims which are not now you got a criteria Who's the enemy who is not now you've got a criteria and criteria like what kind of economic relationships We have with these countries whether we buy off from them or not all of this other stuff is irrelevant And how they vote is irrelevant. That's not the job of government. The job of government is not to have ideas I want a government that has no ideas Ideology All it does is protect our individual rights. It doesn't have a uh, a what do you call it an ideological screen Because the government has no ideology. It's there to protect rights period All right, um Have a good week everybody. I will see you same time. Well next week also on sunday Uh, it will be again on sunday from 11 30 a.m Um, you can also catch I talked about on the am 560 show I had a bunch of other callers and talked about basically the same issue If you if you you haven't had enough of this issue of the uh, Then you can catch it on am 560, which will be uploaded either tomorrow or tuesday You can also get all of the stuff on Facebook live and I will talk to you all Really soon have a great Weekend