 Happy New Year everybody. Welcome to the Allington Housing Authority, January 20, 2021 regular meeting. 7 o'clock, we started at 7.04. Okay. Call to order 7.04. Roll call. Brian? Yeah. Kara? Kara's here. Brella? Here. Go in. And Nick is here. So we'll get started with the appointments with local tenant organizations. Please use the chat. If you guys understand the chat, let me know if you want to speak. Let me chat. Or raise your hand. Ham house, a president of Winslow towers. Go ahead, Pam. Okay. I really have nothing. First of all, I would wish to thank on the behalf of most the tenants of Winslow towers for the dinners that were provided by for Christmas by the board of commissioners. They were delicious. Anytime you want to do it again, more than welcome to chip in. And with your permission, Nick, I have a statement I'd like to read. Is that okay, John Greco should be okay, right? Yeah, go ahead. As a person that has been involved with the Allenton housing authority for her whole life. In the past three meetings, I witnessed an outrage of behavior to use language that was used is in the name calling, in my opinion, unacceptable. I also feel that people, including some members of the board, do not understand what a housing authority is for and why it was established in order to be affected. A compassion for these less fortunate is crucial. If the Allenton housing authority were ever disbanded, it would cause major problems for the people that live here. We cannot afford the current rents that are being charged. And many would either end up on the street or die for a lack of a place to live. I asked the Allenton housing authority and the town of Allenton to please be aware of what some of you are trying to do to the elderly, handicapped, and families that live in this great town and learn about the history of the Allenton housing authority. In closing, I wish to thank John Griffin, who has done an exemplary job as executive director. His staff worked tirelessly in handling problems that arise with tenants and are trying to fill empty apartments. The maintenance staff is always making sure that the apartments are safe and in working condition. I also wish to thank the board of commissioners, John, Bob, and all the staff for everything they do for the Allenton housing authority. Thank you very much, Nick. Thanks, Pam. Thank you, Pam. Appreciate it. Anybody else from a tenant association like this week? Yeah, Mary Ann. Mary Ann, how I am. Hi, I'm from the house or building. And I would just like to thank Pam for what he said. I don't know you, Pam. This was not a coordinated event, but I am thrilled with what you said. So I just want to echo everything. Thank you very much. Thank you, Pam. Thank you. Anybody else? Any other tenant associations? Any other tenant associations? Half done, maybe. Oh, sorry. Sorry. I also want to thank my, I personally want to thank the authority for the dinners. Some people rarely enjoyed them. And there is one thing I would like to ask one of your members. I would like to ask Joanne as the current president of the association because of COVID. I understand that you've been meeting with some of the tenants and I think as a courtesy, it would have been nice if you got in touch with me. My phone number, if you'd like to take it down is seven, eight, one, two, five, eight, five, one, two, eight. And my email is Ben Gabby, B E N G A B Y as in Ben and Gabby Franke at Comcast.net. And I really would appreciate it if you would get in touch with me. Okay. Okay. Hold on. Hold on. Anything else? You good? No, I'm also, thank you. Thank you, Pat. Any other, anybody else from the tenant association? Pam, you wanted to say something. Nick. Yes. For those that don't realize why I said involved with my whole life. My father was the first executive director of the housing authority. I was the first executive director of the housing authority. I was the first executive director of the housing authority. From 1949 to 1975, when he passed away from cancer, the house of building is currently named after him. So I have known about the housing authority and been involved. I was at every opening of every elderly building in this town. So I know what's going on. And I think a lot of what's going on with the housing authority is, is outrageous. Thank you, Pam. Okay. Thank you. Anybody else from the tenant association? Nick. Go ahead, Joanne. Yeah, go ahead. I just want to correction. I've never met with any group at the housing. How's her. Building. The closest I came is once I got elected. Some woman emailed me that she wanted to give me a tour. Around buildings. Check about. It's a beautiful, beautiful site. I went on this tour. I didn't meet with any group. I didn't talk with any group. That's all. Okay. Thank you. That was from Cusack though. How's it? Oh, I thought she said. Oh, yes. They invited me. To meet with them. On the terrace. Only a couple of people could come. Sit in June or July. To have tea. And we did for 15 or 20 minutes. And they told me. About. The physical clan of the building. That's all. It was, I know Brian has met with the group there, but I have not. That was a group there other than. This way of four people came to the tea. On the terrace. Okay. Thanks. You're all you want to say something. You're new. Yeah. Could I just ask on the maintenance being outrageous? I just wanted some more details for the person that mentioned that any. Specific. Complaints. I don't know who. It was made for. I'm not going to November. We had a meeting that the language is utterly. Disgraceful. For a public meeting. It was. Totally, totally unacceptable. The name calling. The swear words, the gestures. It was unbelievable. And it should never. Ever have happened. These people should have a little more common sense to know what is proper. For the. Students. It means like the people that actually, you know, through the meetings or on the buildings, you meant more about the board. It was the. No. Monotomy man. No, it wasn't. There was a man. Calling us all names, ma'am. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. You are calling us all names, ma'am. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. We're not going to go there. Hold on. Let's just stop. Okay. Okay. Don't, you don't. Keep us people. Quote us people for doing anything, but defending ourselves, Pam. Hold on. Okay. I'm not going to go. You know you need to be acknowledged then you can speak okay please okay thank you everybody that's that goes to everybody if you'd like to speak I did I fear all of you will ask okay you done I am thank you yes okay who is our seat that would be me okay go ahead okay thank you um so I wanted I wanted just curious if there was any I know when we talk last I'm concerned the longer I've been at this house this townhouse I guess you call it from I had a move from 96 to 76 the windows here are not in good shape so there's there's condensation on the inside of the pains my heat I have a picture if you want to see it but my thermostat was it 72 and my heat was a 51 the other night my bill is closed a hundred and sixty eight dollars so I know you did the windows in 2008 but that's not an answer like I think there should be an energy audit or something needs just to be checked in too because I'm not the only one with this problem we a lot of us do and because we're low income that's a big deal I mean the money that we spend so I like I feel like this is the only platform we have a month goes by I mean I haven't I don't feel like I can bring this to maintenance because they tell us nothing the windows are the way they are that's what I've gotten from them so what can we do about getting somebody to take a look at the people and I'm happy to go around and ask whose windows need or their people are having problems but um so yeah that that's what I wanted to ask and say thank you John anything I just want to call the nature just call call that answer the work water system for maintenance if there's something they can do about the windows they'll do it if it's not and is really nothing but I did I mean I have and I've the answer and response I've gotten is that's just that they're old and that's just the way the windows are my daughter's window was off the track for about at least the weekend and with the wind it was banging and flapping in on her so they're not something I mean they're corroded I have I mean I don't want to have to go around to each window but I'm happy I have pictures so the screens a lot of them don't have tabs so when you try to move them up they fall out and break that's all I'm not I mean I'm not being accusatory I'm just asking you guys to do something about it or take a look happy to take a look at it happy to take a look if we could get money to put all the windows in which we in 2008 when we did the kitchen about and on electrical and plumbing when we did all that over there was it was about 13 million dollars right that's what you said can you tell me when you're gonna look at it and well and like when should I expect you guys to check in and let me know because I would rather not a whole month go by before you have to call a work order into the maintenance okay but I have so will you this bypass maintenance or do I have to go through that system again again John okay good Brian John why why can't we just get the plastic I don't want plastic on my windows I would like to have an opportunity to not have my window that's not a solution for a lot of us my son my son's special needs I can't put plastic on the window okay let me finish a minute you can put the plastic on the outside as well so I mean if it's a matter of sealing the window for the winter to get by until you place windows of the future this you know there's one solution John I'll work with you John Rachel we'll get you an answer right I'll call you I'm just asking why would that be that's all can you give me an idea I will call you in the next couple days by the way thank you okay thank you I just had I don't know we're not go ahead doing I'm I'm just wondering for John Griffin would this be a project that would be allowable in another year you have to wait for the next cycle of rent by the Community Preservation Act the repeal of windows it would be if they were leaking or causing damage to the inside of the property it can't be for general modernization it has to be for the protection and preservation that's it if you use in community development excuse me CPA money if you use it you could apply CDBG funding also but as you know I think if you take a look at the history of our CDBG request over the past 30 years that I've been here you'll see what we request in and and the amount of money that we don't receive so you know we can use put formula funding to it but that's so you'll be still a few years down the line from that as far as getting windows it's not it's not going to be a quick solution we looked at it before the FDA city also and came up with another few million dollars we could do it as far as the heating systems going and things like that we put in two years ago we put in all new heating and hot water systems at over two and a half million dollars no cost to the residents there's actually no cost to us it was through the lean energy grant for low-income housing so we've updated pretty much everything in that property except the foundations and and the windows the roofs are new they will put on in 2008 also but it's a few million dollars and it's going to take a lot of pressure in department housing human development hasn't prioritized windows at this time so but I mean what we need to do John is take a look at it and if there's a short-term fix that we can do we probably take a look at it like Brian's recommendation or suggestion I mean that's short-term stuff that we can do one of the thing we could do is you know you see the thin plexiglass at the restaurants and stuff where you could have you to put that on the exterior of the window just to get through the winter exactly yeah some quick cheap fixes we can do big funding so we need to replace them but absolutely I was wondering the plexiglass what would that entail for the summer though would they have to be removed maybe removed by the tenant as well yep yeah because I know that the sustainability and energy program is initiated in 2008 so I know that we got new energy and water conservation things to save on that but again we can we can apply the money to that but where the windows are letting most of the heat escape then we have a problem we're not really saving anything you know due to that fact what happens fear-elevators they come out of different pockets the money that they use for the heating systems and hot water systems come from the energy companies it is it is concerning to have such a high bill for both energy and water due to the fact that we don't have the means to save on it well well you don't pay what we pay the water the heating and electricity wise you know for example each lighting in the house has three bulbs in it and the living room has no lighting I just feel like that's something that can easily be updated to save money just little things like that the windows I have I will say we have called me we have called meetings to fix certain things with the windows with cracks on the floor and we are told that that's just how it is and I just don't think that that's an okay answer to what's going on fear I'll contact with you too we'll figure it out right it's going to be a short term meeting so we can figure some grand out or something at the I mean it's all about sustainability nowadays so I sure hope that we can figure something out okay cool that was attended any other tenant associations I I also want to hold on hold on Marin you're not on top or sit on the tenant association so okay no other tenant associations we go to the public general public a couple people that chatted to me Ellen Lee yes this is Ellen and I'm in two sectors sorry Ellen I didn't recognize you see me and we don't see right right okay yes thank you I wanted to just follow up on a couple of things one was I know there has been discussion previously about automatic door openers to enhance accessibility that currently I know that there's been discussion amongst you know various buildings and putting in things that specific to QSAC automatic doors in the communal rooms and bathrooms making sure that those are accessible I was just curious what the timeline is for that when that might be happening the the whole the projects for all all the buildings as you got the handicap accessibility on the bathrooms probably will have probably start or go out to bid probably in the next month or so the the handicap door openers on the bathrooms can be done before that so probably within the next month or so we could do the the door openers because that that's pretty much the extent of what the handicap accessibility is going to be over at QSAC the there's also communal unit TV room is also a community community room that I can't get into for example or other people that are in wheelchairs or even if you were in a walker it would be difficult to get into so it really prohibits I mean obviously things are different now but it's been this way for as long as I've lived here and so it would be important to make those accessible for it because they're meant for everyone including people in wheelchairs and walkers that have the access that would be important to a community room does have one which is great that was an improvement and the other room does need an addition to the bathroom as well so I just want to make sure that when you're ordering these and setting it up that that does get included please well do you can you you can answer the library through the community of them is that correct or I believe so but yeah that's the handicap this will do us it not a problem okay anything else Ellen yes so I've been advocating for a while with federal state and local regarding the vaccine and trying to have prioritization and for our buildings and you know very glad that last week there was a prioritization so that folks in in buildings such as ours are now on the first tier of phase two and I know there's delays and distribution etc but I wanted to know if there has been communication and or a plan so building similar to maybe a flu clinic that we've had in the past wondering what strategies or plans are in place so as soon as the vaccine or available you already have a plan in place so that you get the vaccines and will that include all the all of the residents and you talk to Christine one hearing alright is the good department yeah yeah no I've been in constant communication with Christine one Jota from the Department of Public Health and Matt my latest conversation was today they the game plan is they're going to be doing the vaccines the same way they did the flu clinics they're gonna go door-to-door in each one of the buildings and and they were also at the same time they're still going to be they have extra funding that they receive they have some leftover money they still plan on doing more testing in our elderly buildings in that same manner where they would call up and come to your apartment and administrating administer the test in your in your unit or at your door your unit so that that is the game plan as far as you know we were moved to here tier one in phase two which was a great thing I think you know I know I've had conversations with Sean gobbledy and I know Cindy Friedman is on the community that actually I think decides makes those decisions so I know I know they've been working on it also but the department the Arlington Board of Health is just waiting for the state Department of Public Health to let them know when they're going to get the vaccine and when they start phase two that'll be up to the state when they start phase two but when they do start phase two we're going to be in the very first group and our Christine's has already told me that she has the organization to come to our farm come to each building go door-to-door so that will be the game plan as soon as I know more information all that people know also okay yeah that'll be important to plan for and you know who will actually be coming door-to-door will it be a nurse or pharmacy person a pharmacist do you know right don't know I don't know that Christine would have those answers okay that's just important to have somebody available just in case anybody had an allergic reaction or anything like that you know so just in terms of planning look at that I just I just wanted to bring up one quick issue that was talked about last time and and it'll probably be the rest of the board and then won't be public input but I just wanted to reiterate in terms of the idea about the liaison I think something that a lot of the tenants have talked about is having you know meetings when we can have you can be in in person but be able to meet with all of the different board members so that there isn't a one liaison for a building but rather we get to know all of you which would be great and then you get to know us and you get to know what the buildings are like and what the needs are it's you know so that it's because you're all going to be voting on things and you'll have invested interest in all of the building so I just wanted to really emphasize that I've got an update that we didn't get it officially on the agenda for this meeting but when we get to new business some other ideas that's gonna fit into exactly what you're talking about so okay all right who is who is me I have have condensation inside my windows as well I'm in the man and someone mentioned Matt say which is a great idea I don't know who that I don't know who me is okay anybody that's me my name is Lisa I'm new at the manner I've only lived in September okay Lisa that's you okay yeah I was saying that I had condensation in my window as my window as well and I was wondering if math saves was something that possibly could help with maybe some of the window issues I don't know if that's something they can do for public housing or not but I know for me I keep my heat at 68 but literally when my heat kicks on and I'm sitting by the window you can feel the heat and the cold air fighting each other out the windows so I mean I plan on putting up plastic I know it's not ideal for everybody but I wasn't sure if math save was something that you know could be an option to possibly helping some of the people down there great idea it's a great idea we'll check into that piece okay I can answer that one thank you I just we have work with mass saved in fact even since 2008 when we did the renovation they came through and did all the exterior lighting will put in the LED lights on the exterior or the buildings out in Army manor they willing to go through the buildings again they're actually coming into all our elderly buildings at this time to put on the light fixtures again in all our hallways and in our units in the elderly building so they are we're playing on and working with DHCD we were the pilot on the sustainability program if you remember I don't know if you hear then three hour a few months back we talked about it and anything we do now down there is gonna have to have a sustainability component to it and just need energy audits on all our buildings anyway so that's probably gonna be done probably the next the next six months we should have all any energy audits completed on an arm and on a man and all the elderly buildings also great it's a great suggestion Lisa thanks anything else thank you thank you Marion yeah I just wanted to say that a lot of these window issues I've been bringing up at board meetings on behalf of man on me manner when I was you know with the tenant association there since about 2000 because I and the tenants were always having trouble with condensation between the windows and malfunctioning malfunctioning windows and we were just always told that there wasn't money for it or that maintenance would take care of it or whatever but nothing ever got done Marion you said since 2000 we upgraded the windows 2008 nothing was done with the windows in 2008 nothing was done John in 2008 with the windows oh no we tried we tried to get the windows in and they didn't fund the windows unfortunately you just said 13 million dollars went into the windows in 2008 I didn't say I said 13 million dollars went into the kitchens bathrooms electrical plumbing and moves and insulation with the windows okay we'll take a look Nick can I recommend we immediately do a survey of all those units determined and prioritize whose whose unit first sounds systemic problem we can either put the plexiglass on the outside or the plastic and inside or something there's a fix to this you know we can do a quick fix so yeah so yeah I'll work with John and the maintenance crew out yeah we'll figure out something to get down there and figure out how to do an audit Rachel you're around over the next couple days yes okay all right I'll call you in the next years Mary y'all said Marianne Kathy Spencer would like to comment happy the re-determination for rent I guess I'm not signing much first we're just gonna use security go by that I increase but a lot of the people want to have re-determination so they wish that to call in and make an appointment to have that done pull re-determination is that correct that's correct yep and for this year here we're on the biannual so the only the only increases will be for the people who have social security if there's a social security increase anyone any time if they want some people will do it because they have special medical deductions that they want to add into this years and they can request a remedy to a full revenue determination at any time so yes they can call up and get a full they have to provide all the paperwork the bank statements and things like that but yeah they can get that done also most time people don't want to be re-determined events so but the other thing was about the shot I know that we got put on the governor put us on the priority and on TV with all of these governors getting ticked off that didn't send them what they were supposed to send them and there was no reserve now California Pd hold on hold on a minute who is Pd who is Pd please John, can you move, Pee Dee? I can find you. That's Pat Dunlovy, Nick. What? Pat, can you move? I don't know if something's coming out of your, your, your room or what? Okay. Let me check. Let me check. Move yourself, Pat. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Someone else. Okay. Go ahead. Sorry. So I'm checking that people here want to know when it's going to happen. First we figured maybe the end of February, beginning of March, but now with all the problems that are coming up with Moderna's shot, it may not come to that. Do you know what I mean? We're on the priority list, but we might be on there for four months. Well, it's not our call though. Kat. I mean, that's the state and that's governor Baker, man. So we got to, you know, when we can't do anything, you know, there aren't vaccines around. So I want to say our maintenance guys, since we've had this pandemic, these guys work their fingers off for us. And I just want to say that these guys that we have here are unbelievable and everyone is worth every penny. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. I appreciate that. And I do want to let you know that we do have, we did have a maintenance gentleman, one of our maintenance work is test positive yesterday and we sent two others home and to be tested. So that's three maintenance guys that are out right now. Where was he? Which buildings? Where? He was at the housing building. The monotony manner. Oh. Oh. Thank you. Okay. Kathy, you all set? Okay. Rachel, you said you had something else to ask. Rachel. Yeah, I just wanted to follow up on the, I put it in there, but the, with the mice and or the rodents and the roaches, I know it's winter, but they're still here. And I was just following up if there's maintenance happening or like follow-up routine maintenance, you know, changing up the bait. Yep. There's actually, we signed in a contract with a Terminex company and they were actually starting that we're going to do the whole development and starting, I believe, they are going to start on building two and they're going to actually start, I think building 16, but then they're going to start at building two and then go to three, four, right through all our buildings, we're going to have every unit treated. Oh, good. Okay. Great. Thanks. All right. And I just had one last thing. So the lights that are outside, is there any way to turn them so they're not facing our windows at night? So the one in front of 96 on Gardner, where we live, first off, it goes on and off. It's really dangerous. That's been brought up before. And I've called Eversource. They told me it's not them, gave me a number to the town. And so it's, I can't figure out who is supposed to change the bulb A and they're shining right in. So it goes on for three minutes and I counted and then it stops for two. And it's like hiccups. You wait for it, but it's shining through into our, our windows. And I noticed as I walk around, I know it's a safety thing, but maybe tilt them down a little bit more towards the ground and not towards shining at the buildings. Yeah. So I've called, like I said, I've called Eversource and then they said it was Arlington and then they sent me to a different company that has control. I just haven't been, I have called it in not for a while, but I think some, we've talked, I think one of the first meetings, one of my neighbors had brought it up. That it was out and then it would go back on. So I wasn't sure if anything, it's, nothing's been done about it. So I was hoping that you guys could look into that too. If you could tell, if you could tell Janet, which light it is, that would be fine that we can call the company and get them out there. Take a look at it. Okay. And same with maybe pointing it down because it's really hard. I know we have shades, but it's shines through. Okay. Project manager. That's why she's down. Yeah. That's not going to change. Right? Hey, hey, hey. Oh, whoever that is, whoever's speaking needs to mute themselves or be a little more respectful and watch. A lot more respectful. A lot more respectful. And watch your language. I don't know who that is, but it's. It's caller four. I don't know, but it's caller four. Thank you. Anybody else? We're good to go. Thanks. Project update. John. Listen, hold it, hold it, hold it. I don't like to interrupt like this, but I signed on for chat and I was number four when it began and somehow or other. My contribution tonight has to do with communication and I'd be glad to be recognized. I don't see you on my chat, John, so I didn't write any letters. I just put my name on as, as a chat. I didn't write any notes. I don't even see that. I don't know what to tell you. Okay. What would you like to say, John? Well, communication is the answer to all the issues that we're witnessing. She's losing a lot of the protocols for speaking at this particular. Sorry. I want to hear you, but I literally can't hear you over other people talking. Hold on, John. John, go ahead. John, go ahead. John. Okay. The website that I have brought up to you a number of times is a wash with errors, omissions, mistakes. It's a mess. Say that again. I didn't. The website. They all have the authority website is a mess. It's a mess. It's a mess. It has omissions. It has a bundle of errors. And it's. It needs to be taken care of. That thing. We have the contact list is completely out of date. You still have a need a bottle, you know, on there. And she's been gone for months. Mr. Metropolis who is apparently our. The only person who is in the conversation is still listed as vice chairman. The bio for. Ms. Preston does not have any communications. Information. Ms. Badia who was a point at six weeks ago doesn't even appear. That's on. That's on. It just doesn't make any sense to me at all why that kind of this appropriately, it is clearly an issue that's got to go to either HUD or it has to go to the Attorney General's office and the Governor's office about the inability of this organization to get its act together with that website. I'd be glad to hear from anybody regarding that. Go ahead, John. No, John, the website does need updating. They don't have webmasters here, update people, you know, I do it. If you notice... I'm doing a poor job, Mr. Griffin, and you've got to find an answer to it. This is unacceptable. Thank you, Mr. Wood. Okay. We'll take a look at it. When are you going to take a look at it? I'm sorry. If I can say something, last I checked when we were talking about the budget, we mentioned that there was a payment for a website update that I thought was to update the website. So again, I guess I'm going back to the budget on that. If the person that we're paying to do the website updates isn't doing the website updates, then what exactly is that website budget going to? No, it's not a website. I actually use the website a lot, and this is Mary Ann Bowser building. The thing is, and I mean, I agree, there are some things that are out of date, for sure, but the critical piece that I find is that it's always updated in the important ways. Like when the meetings are happening, you can download the budget. And so I understand there's frustration with the parts that aren't up to date, but the critical pieces are up to date. Right. They should all be up to date. There shouldn't be just critical. Yeah, point that out. That's all. Yeah. The Winslow Tenants Association detail has been out of whack for 10 years now. It lists Brenda Cox as the president, which is not true at all. There's nobody that can go to that website and get reliable information. The detail for this particular meeting didn't appear until last night. John Ward, just want to address that as far as the tenants associations in like the website and Fiorillo's profiles and up there, Fiorillo will have to provide us a profile. Listen, you're giving us an excuse again, John, and if that's what you've got to raise for, you've got to do better than that. John Ward, I'll take a look at it. Well, that's what you said about the problem with the air conditioners, and you never got back to me, Mr. Metropolis. Metropolis. Yeah. Okay. I think as far as we're dealing with the updates in the tenants association on the website, if the tenant presidents can each look at their building that's on the website and send the information that they want, this is for their use. So if they get the tenants association can take a look at it and update the presidents of things, their activities that they, well, not so much. You're putting a blame on somebody else again, Mr. Griffin. John, okay, we get your point, John. We understand. Well, when are we going to do something about it? You have anything else to say? We understand your point. Well, when are we going to do something about that? All right. I told you I would look into it and I will figure it out. When will you look into it? When do you want me to call you, John? Give me your phone number. You can call me after you finish this meeting, if you'd like. I will. Give me your phone number, John. John has got it. Give me your phone number. Mr. Griffin has it. I'm not going to publish it across this format. I will tell you mine and you can call me 617-617-699-2742, Nick Metropolis, okay, call me when you'd like anytime. Go ahead. Go ahead, Joanne. You know, not everybody can do everything. I could never update a website. So I'm just wondering about this consultant. Is that something they could be working more often on? It really is important to have a website and it seems like John Griffin's overworked with roofs and stuff like that. I don't know. What do you think, John? All right. As far as the website, it has really nothing to do with the webmaster or anything like that. It has nothing to do with our internal organization as far as getting the data to the webmaster. Each department head should probably take a look at their programs that are on the website and make sure they're updated properly. And I'll make sure that happens. As far as the tenants' association pages, they should take a look at it and look at the activities, the tenant presidents, and at the tenant meeting, if they update that to us, we can forward that to the webmaster. We don't even have to wait to the, if they can look at their pages that they use for activities or anything like that, and in the email addresses, if they want to add that to it, that's fine too. Okay. We understand. We'll take it offline and we'll figure it out, so good recommendation going in. Anybody else have anything to say? Yeah. Good to go. We're going to move on to the agenda. Thanks. John, project updates? Project updates. Okay. We have quite a bit going on. We have, you'll see later on, we have a couple of projects that went out to bid except, we're going to have to accept bids on them. The QZAC elevator is complete. We are working on the roof over QZAC terrace design. They'll see as we go down here, Father, in the agenda that we're going to be applying, we'd like to be able to apply to DHCD for a sustainability grant. We've already talked to the architects and engineers at DHCD. We have a roof that's going on QZAC terrace, it's about $400,000, $450,000, and the roof that they want to put on is an additional $55,000, and speaking with John Olson, the architect from DHCD and Greg Abbey, that person in charge of sustainability, is that they said they would approve a grant to the Housing Authority, but we have to do a couple things first. We have to, one, take a board vote and two, apply for the sustainability grant, about $55,000. They said they will already approve it. We just need the board vote to move forward with that. So that'll be done later on on the agenda. I think there's someone else that's talking. Can you mute all those callers? If you're not speaking, can you mute yourself, please? If you're not speaking, who's C.O.? Caller five, one and three. Caller five. Yeah, thank you. Anybody else? There's a couple more. Go ahead. Who was speaking? John, who was speaking? What was they saying? Talking about project updates. Okay, project updates. The bathroom visit will probably be going out at the end of February for all the other things. We have a couple of things. Handicap accessible bathrooms in a brand new bathroom, Chestnut Manor and a brand new bathroom at Winslow Towers. The bathrooms up at the housing building will have automatic door openers put on them. And the same with QZAC tests. for other projects that we're going to be looking to do. And one is during inspections, we're going to have to replace the fire pump system. We had that rebuilt here probably about three years ago and it's failing, it hasn't failed yet. But we're going to be asking later on in the agenda to approve $150,000 for a new water pump system and all new hoses on the floors at the Winslow Towers property. Also during the fire inspection up at the Houser Building, they feel that that system needs to be updated and further fire department, they would like us to update it, we would like to update it. So we need to apply or use formula funding. So I need a board vote to use $450,000 for a new fire alarm system up at the Houser Building at Drake Village. So the balconies over at Chestnut Manor, we'll be out to bid this month, later on in the month. So the resurfacing of that will be done probably as soon as the spring start. The big project that we have going on here, getting ready to mobilize for Winslow Towers, the window project, that's a $2.5 million project that we're going to be starting on in March. And there was one other project I was just going to mention, I just lost my thoughts, so I'll think of it in a minute. Okay. Anything else, John? That'll be it. Okay. I don't want FSS grants, $72,000. Yes, I just want to let you know, this is a family self-sufficiency grant received from the Housing and Urban Development from HUD. And this is for the self-sufficiency program that we use in the Section 8 program that we have. We have 422 Section 8 vouchers, probably about 30 people at a time signed up and registered for the FSS program. They work with a counselor here that we have. They do work out problems as far as training, education, schooling, and it's a fantastic program where if the income goes up while they're in the program, they get actually the amount that it goes up, gets put into a bank account separately for them. So if they pay a higher thing, they end up getting all that money back. We've had people over the last few years what leave the program with $25,000 in their pocket from the FSS program. Fantastic program and we got funding to continue it for another year, so. Great, do we need to vote on it or anything? Nope, not on that. Okay, cool, great, thanks. COVID vaccine update, I know you gave us a brief one, but do you want to? Yeah, no, I think that's pretty much it. Christine Borgiorno's waiting anxiously for the Department of Public Health from the state. As soon as those vaccines, as soon as the state decides to move forward phase two, or whenever that is, I believe that's supposed to be somewhere in the beginning of February is when phase two is supposed to begin, but right off the bat, we're gonna be prioritized and as soon as we know anything, we'll let everyone else know too, so. But she's working on it, she's got a good plan in place, so something we all can't wait for, so. Hey, John, there's a question. Are they gonna be done down at Monotomy Manor also? We have not had that conversation as far as, I don't know, at this time, no. It's the elderly and the disabled and the people over 65 that the prioritizing, but when they said public housing residents right now, I believe it's just the elderly. I'll clarify that with Christine, but. Can you clarify that, Christine? Just a couple of questions that came through. Okay, go ahead, June. I believe, as you know, before I came on the board, I delivered masks, face masks that friends made down to Monotomy Manor. And I think there are some people, maybe just a handful, who would be considered senior citizens and grandmothers or people who's, people who are waiting there to be transferred after COVID. But I'm just wondering, John, how many people do you think are eligible, either 60 or over? Down at Monotomy Manor. I can't tell you right now. I know there's a play about at least 14, I believe, single people that are closing, getting up to the age of close to 60, but I'm not sure how many off the top of my head. We can pull those numbers up as soon as I log on to the computers. Is it 60 or 65 in phase two? 65. Yeah, 65 in phase two. Yeah. Or the condominiums that you have, do you have any? I don't want anyone to be moved out. Condominiums will be included in what the elderly building. They are considered elderly units, so. Oh, okay. Cool. Okay. Okay, that's the update. Any questions for John? So you'll follow up on the manner, right, John? Yeah. With Christine. Okay. Item three is the approval of Lowbidder and award of the contract, the home of contracting for Drake Village Exterior Project. Yes. Okay, this is the cottages up at Drake Village, there's nine buildings that we have. And as you, if you remember, we actually, we applied for a grant from the CPA committee, Community Preservation Committee. And I'm gonna be making my final presentation at the end of February when they have their meeting. And we're gonna be looking for $381,000. That was our initial request based on the cost estimates that the engineers cannot put to do it. Do the first two pieces of the project up there. As you know, the cottages at Drake Village, we have nine units and we broke, because of the lack of funding that we had for it, we broke them into eight different components. So we can do components one and components two. And that's those components on those buildings, the faces and soffits of all the buildings, the painting on all the faces and soffits and the paintings of all the stale and metal that's up there. So that's the two parties to be picked in phase in one and two. And when we're doing that, we were gonna be $381,000 shot. Fortunately, the project came in under budget, under what we thought it came in with alternate. So when we put this out to bid, we put it out to bid for four cottages because that's all we had the funding from D-A-City. Complete components one and two in four separate cottages. The CPA money was gonna be used to do the additional five buildings. And since the bids came in, the first four cottages was $203,000 and the alternates one through five came in at $41,000 each for a total of $408,000. So it's quite a bit underneath. We're still gonna make our presentation to the CPA committee. We may, parts one and two, the dilemma, and this is something I wanna say with the CPA committee. Now, we have this project, it's out to bid for this portion of it. And the CPA funds, if there were awarded CPA money, we can't access that money till July 1st, 2021, which is basically really the fiscal year 2022. So this project is going on to bid if we had to take $100,000 from reserves just to meet the number that we have now, we can do that or we can talk to the CPA committee and still request that funding for the additional components that we didn't get done, components three to six, and that includes the entry ways in the buildings up at three village cottages. So we're doing that. We're gonna do that anyways, but tonight I'm gonna ask you for approval. This went out to bid. The low bid came in for homework and contracting ink for the Drake Village exterior project. It's DHD fish number 010096. We need to accept the low bid amount of $203,000. And then after that, we're gonna accept alternates one through five at $41,000 each for a total contract award of $408,000. Question? Okay, question. I'll make a motion that we, you want me to read the whole thing? Okay, Brian, John. So I'll make a motion that we approve low bid award contract, the homework contracting, the Drake Village exterior project, DHCD fish number 010096. I'm curious about that. In the amount. Did I lose you, John? No, I didn't. Oh, sorry. In the amount of $203,000 and $203,000, an acceptance of alternates one through five at $41,000 each for a total contract award of $408,000. Is that a second? All right, actually I had a question. Gar had a question. And I was just curious. Yeah, sorry, I had a question. I do have a question. So in the backup packet, the alternate number five is only $40,000. I think it's a typo, but I just want the numbers to add up. Could be $41,000 each. It's one through four or $41,000 and number five is $40,000. So it's $1,000 off. But I would, I guess second it as amended. Okay. Tirella, do you have something to say? I do not. Okay, thank you. Okay, so we have a second. All in favor? Brian? Yes. Gar? Yes. Joanne? Yes. Tirella? Yes. And Nick, yes. I look forward to an approval of amended capital plan for emergency funding for formula funding in the amount of 150K. As I mentioned, this is for the fire pump system here at Winslow Towers. It's the system that pumps the water up to the sprinkler system in the fire hoses on each floor. So we need approval for amended capital plan, emergency funding for formula funding in the amount of $150,000 for DHCD fish 010101 for the fire pump replacement at Winslow Towers 6673. All right, do I have a motion? I have a question. Go ahead, there you go. So, Joanne, you mentioned, didn't we do this like three years ago? Yeah, we had the pump that was there rebuilt. Okay. It didn't replace it at that time. But now what's going on is they put a new generator in since that time. And the water pressure from the street is the problem. They need to be able to draw more pressure from the main, from outside. And that's what this pump is gonna have to do. And so I guess my question is, one we did three years ago, it has no sort of warranty with it or anything like that. Oh, no. No, okay. Fiorella? I actually looked up like fire pump replacement and such, I obviously don't know what it entails with the building, but it did say around 1200 to replace a fire pump. And then for the sprinkler system, it should be around $20,000. I know it says $450,000. So I just was wondering what that includes. No, this one's the, this is the $150,000 one. This is item number four on the agenda field. $150,000. Oh, all right. Well, either way, it's a $1,200 fire replacement along with $20,000 for the sprinklers. Oh, no, the pump that we use, I don't know where that has been. This building here, it's a 14-story high-rise building with a whole fire pump room that we had built a few years ago. I think the room cost over $150,000 to build. And then the equipment in it is huge. You see giant pumps and next time you're at Wenzel, we'll show you, but it's not a $12,000 or $1,200 pump. I thought it was like a fire pump. That's the kind of thing. All right, I didn't know, cool. You put it out the bid, John, right? Under state requirements and stuff, right? Yeah, this will be going out the bid. It has to go out the bid. The architects and engineers at THC, the ones, Frank Barcy, the head engineer, is actually the one that did the initial work and now it's going out to an engineering company as part of it and they're gonna design it and have it rebuilt, have it, new one installed. So it's a big project and an expensive project. And it's probably, it's a very worthwhile project. This is all due to a field fire inspection test on the system. And this all, $150,000 also includes on each floor at Wenzel Towers, they have fire hoses that will be able to be activated if, you know, even if the fire department, usually when the fire department comes here, they will carry their own hoses and they'll carry them up 14 stories if they have to. But on the other hand, there are fire hoses that are here now that have been updated at some point and they all need to be updated again. That the big hoses that put all the water in, so. Co-co-co. Got a motion? Yes. I think John wants to say something. Yeah, I think the other thing we should understand too and I know what Fiorell is referring to because I look at some things once and I'll say, wow, that's pretty cheap. How come we pay for it so much, pay so much in the public sector? There's something called prevailing wage rates and we have to pay prevailing wage rates in these jobs which is not necessarily what we can go to the, any contractor and say, what can you do this for? The contractors have to pay various prevailing wage rates and some of the jobs also require an architect engineer on them by statute so that you need maybe more architectural engineering work just by requirements of the statutes and also you need, again, all the pending on the cost, the minimal threshold and also you have to pay prevailing wage rates which can make a big difference depending on the particular position. So I know it seems funny but when you factor those things in, those of us in the public sector have learned to expect that. Yeah. Anybody else? Any other questions, comments? Okay, I have a motion. I'd make a motion to approve the amended capital plan for emergency funding from formula funding for the amount of 150,000 for DHCD fish number 010101 for the fire pump replacement at Winslow Towers 667-3. Go ahead a second. I'll second that. Second. Second by Brian, all in favor? Car. Yes. Brian. Yep. Joanne. Yes. Viarella. Yes. Nick is yes. Anonymous. Item five, approval of amended capital plan for emergency funding from formula funding and the amount of 450K of the fire alarm system at Houser Building. John, any discussion, John, around there? This here is again due to inspection with the fire system and a recommendation from the Allenton Fire Department that we replace the system. And we talked to them about it. We committed that we will get this done. I just need approval from the board to do it. But this is something that they very strongly requested and would like to require us to complete this. And it's a very worthwhile project. It does mean that there will be going into each apartment, adding new alarm heads in each unit and in the hallways. So it's a fairly good size project. We did it over Chestnut Manor last year. And we were very fortunate. We got a great company, did nice work. They did a nice clean job. So, but it is a big job. Hey, John. Any questions? Yeah, I have a question. Who recommends we do it? Is it the fire department? The Allenton Fire Department, yes. Yeah. Okay. Any discussion? Good to go. Do I have a motion? Joanne, Joanne's looking to talk. Oh, sorry, go ahead, Joanne. Just to repeat again, this is for energy efficiency and it's fine with this grant. But would this be a possibility for monotony manner to fix the windows and the cracks around the doors? And it seems like they have to pay their own heat. And it seems like, and we want to be energy efficient in general. Is this a possible in the years next year or something to apply for something for the monotony manner? Leaky windows and doors? Or is it not? Oh, yeah, I'm a farmer. Yeah, this is, I think there's a separate question, Joanne. Can we apply for windows and doors of monotony manner? Yes, we can do it. We can do it. And I think one of the ways to do it is when we do our capital plan in late and spring, early summer, that we put a request in to do a study of the windows. And that will get the bomb moving. We hire a company to come out and they look at the windows, they go in, they take it, they do asbestos studies on it to find out if there's asbestos on the windows or on the sales of the windows sometimes. But we would do it through the capital planning system, do the study, come up with cost estimates, then we'll be able to apply for different grants for that. But this one here, number five, has nothing to do with the energy efficiency or anything. This is just a security and safety issue that came up. Okay, thank you. Okay. Any other discussion? I'll make a motion to approve number five, which consists of approval of amended capital for emergency funding and formula funding in the amount of $450,000, the DHCD Fish 010101 for the fire alarm system at the house of building 6667-4. Do I have a second? Yeah, I will second it. Second. All in favor? Brian? Yes. Gara? Yes. Joanne? Yes. Sierra? Yes. Nick is yes, you name it. Okay, item six, approval and submission of sustainability grant for DHCD for an energy efficient roof material for a Q-SAC terrace roof replacement. John, anything on this? As I said, the roof over Q-SAC terrace is gonna be about $450,000 also to replace the black roof that they were gonna put on with the rubble on the gravel. They suggested a white energy efficiency roof. They suggested that we apply for the sustainability grant which they said they would grant us, but we have to apply and we have to get an energy audit done over Q-SAC terrace. Joanne, let's see. Oh, go ahead, Gara. For the sustainability grant, just a question. I know that that would be for the roof over there. I'm assuming that includes labor too and not just a material for it. Labor and material. Okay, and for the grant, I know it is separate for the roof, but it's not something that has to be like, it's not a grant that we receive with this Arlington Housing Authority rather than just the one, like just Q-SAC. Do you know what I mean? So we're getting the grant. Does that mean that we have to like divide it within all the housing authorities or is this just for that right now specifically? Yeah, the grant would be specifically for this project, just the Roof for Q-SAC. So it's a roof that they came up with the cost estimate of additional $55,000. And Greg Abbey from DHCB as Dr. John Olson said if we apply for it, he will approve it. I think they really want us to apply for it actually, apply for it, but it's just that the timing, it just means when we do it, we're gonna have to do an energy audit on Q-SAC to us. So it's just a little bit of extra work and extra time, but well worth it. And it's, if they're offering us $55,000, something better, I think it's a good move. They wanna, any project that we do, they want us to look at the sustainability and energy efficiency on everything. So. I would move to approve this, to submit a sustainability grant from DHCB for an energy efficient roof material for Q-SAC, Jarrus Roof Replacement. I'll second that. Okay, Martin. All in favor? Go. Yes. Ryan. Yes. Joanne. Yes. And Ferala. Yes. Thank you. Yes. Item seven, approval of the minutes of December 16th, 2020. Just, I don't know if you, it's up to you what you wanna do. I noticed tonight earlier that they weren't included in your board package, is that accurate? Yeah, that's all right. And I emailed up to everyone before that. So I don't know if you've read them or not. I actually do have a question about it. Who does the minutes, because they are very out of context. Every comment seems to be. Sandy Melanson, one of our people here doesn't, and generally, half the conversation, she tries to get everything she can possibly get. During the meeting and you know, all depends, if you see something that's out of context, you can amend it. You have the ability to change something in the minutes that you don't agree with or anything like that. Feel free to do that. And then the board will just say, you'd approve it as amended, so. Okay, I mean, where we are being videotaped, I believe, right? And audio recorded as well. I mean, could it not be printed out and written from that? I don't know if it can be printed out. We do record the meetings for that purposefully. If you think she should go back and take and look at that video and go, man, I don't know how you want to do it. But it's the context, yeah. We had a conversation, actually someone, I think it was a woman by the name of Elizabeth, something that he made me looking for the video, recordings of fire meetings. When we first started doing this, I mean, a general conversation was, we're gonna record for the purpose of doing, using them to check back on the minutes to make sure you had accurate minutes. I have to speak with John Greco and everything regarding this is, if we have video recordings, they are public records, so any, if I have any of the previous meetings, I will be putting the whole meeting video on our website, so people would be able to see. The second part that I know later on down, we have a question from ACMI video to record Alton Housing's live board meetings, which I think is a great idea. And also, they're entitled to be able to record our meetings. People can record our meetings, so. Should we recommend to postpone this proposal to next month? I move to table it until next month. I like all the details, but for instance, I don't think Pia Rella owns a van, so it is one thing. They're just a little mistakes and I haven't had a chance to go through it. Is it possible, can I make a table until next meeting? Second. Do we have a second? Yeah, I'll second that. Okay, Gar. All in favor? Joanne? Yes. Gar? Yes. Pia Rella? Yes. Ryan? Yes. Nick is a yes. Thanks. I have a request from ACMI to be a board meeting. We all agree that it's their right to do that. I don't think we need to vote. Right, John Greco? Right, John Greco? Yes, that is correct. Yeah, the only thing is it's like any other meeting, they can't interfere, whether it's a meeting in person or a virtual meeting, whatever it has to be done, they can't interfere with the operation of the meeting. And as long as that's the case, they have the right to do so. Great, thank you, John. Hey, John, I have one other, I have someone, one of the public, or one of the tenants wants to speak again. Can I do that? Should I do that? Yeah. Are we okay with that? It's not enough. Do you have the right to do that? If you feel that everybody, if you feel everybody's spoken and there's still time in the meeting, you certainly can recognize someone a second time. Okay, thank you, John. Go ahead, John. John, you want to speak? You want to mute John, you want to speak? You want to mute? Heard it. Yeah, there you go, John. I want to comment with regard to the printed minutes for an organization like the Arlington Housing Authority. You are not obliged to take word for word anything from the public. You are required to put a topical subject matter without editing as to what the party has included. That's just for the person who is doing your work, which is obviously with this format, it has gotten to be highly increased. You don't have to, once again, you do not have to take the conversations and put them word for word. All you need to do is incorporate the subject matter and the party bringing it up. If the person is interested, they can do what you just said. They can go to the website and go to the point in the conversation of your meeting and get the information for themselves. Thank you. That's a correct interpretation. But documents you have that are available, you have to make available to the public, but the minutes do not have to be word for word. John Ward is right on that. Thank you, John. John. Anybody else? I don't know who that is. You raise your hand. I can't see your name in the blue sweater. Elizabeth. Elizabeth, go ahead. Sorry. Thank you so much. I'm the one that was emailing you trying to get the minutes to the previous meetings and the videos. And I'm just wondering if you can help me understand where to find them. So the minutes for, I believe I said, I know it's December, we just got tabled. So maybe November and October aren't on the website. No, they are on the website. That's why I looked. Okay, I'll look again. Thank you. Sorry about that. And then, is there access to the videos of the previous meetings? I am gonna try and see what I have. I get a need after this meeting ends. I usually get an email saying video has been recorded. And then what I usually do is if after they do the minutes, I delete that email. But what I'm discovering is go-to meeting has a history that I think I can access. And what I'll do is if I have any minutes I have, video minutes I have, or video of the meeting, I will put on the website so people can access that. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Thank you. Okay. The next item is adjourned. One thing before we adjourn. Go ahead, Brian. And I know we didn't get on the agenda to talk about this liaison thing that I was proposing. However, this week I spoke with John Greco and he went over what he did in Medford when he was the executive director of Medford, which I thought was a pretty good idea. So instead of theoretically assigning one board member to each development, that what he did with his board members over there is they each took a development each month. So they kind of rotated through the places. And what they did is they went in and did a cursory inspection. So for instance, if you went up to Great Village, for instance, I mean, you'd walk the property, you wouldn't go into individual apartments, but you'd check the property, the exterior, the interior, the hallways and so forth to see if there's any issues. You'd meet with the tenant president to see if they have any issues. And then you'll report back to the next meeting. So I'll work with John on some type of a document to propose to the board for next meeting. And we could probably talk more on this. Sounds good. Thanks, Brian. Cool. I'd like to speak. How are you doing? I've also been working, as you know, on communication. And part one has to do very much with what Brian's talking about, but it was slightly different perspective by strengthening tenants' associations. So they certainly should be discussed together either before the meeting or certainly at the meeting. Okay. Yes. So do in and everybody. So when I come up with a draft, I'll flip it out to everybody and we could probably work on it and get something perfected for the next meeting. Enjoy. If you have yours done, if you could circulate that also would be great. So I did have one other thing. Fiorella and I was starting to talk about a tenants' association down at Monotomy Manor. John Correco, Fiorella, if you had a couple of questions about how we go about doing that. Is that correct, Fiorella? Please jump in if you want to. John Correco, what? Go ahead, Fiorella. No, I'm sorry. What did you say? I couldn't understand what you said. Oh, we were talking about starting a tenants' association down in Monotomy Manor. You had some questions about how we go about doing that, right? Is that correct? No, no. I was just asking for some bullet points to include in the letter to deliver to each tenant about what a tenants' association is and how they can get involved in search. Okay, cool. So John Correco, do we have anything like that that we can send to Fiorella or any recommendation? Yes, what we can do, we can show there's a set of tenant association regulations that DHED publishes. We can send those to Fiorella and that might give her a start. Additionally, I think the thing is that it's sometimes difficult to understand there's a fine line in between assisting and controlling. So you've got to be careful that you assist the residents in getting a tenants' organization, a tenants' association started, but you can't start controlling that organization. So, you know, the term seems to get down the road to go either too far or not far enough. So you have to be careful with that. So that's kind of a difficult thing to do. It's the gradations and nuances of things. But that we can help you with certainly as well too. We don't always know how far that is sometimes because once you get running down the road, you might have to go from far or start too early. But nevertheless, that's one of the things you have to be careful for, but by the same token, the DHED tenant regulations are probably a good place to start and then work from there. Perfect, John. Fiorella, will you take a crack at that first letter? Is that what you need? Your set, anything else from us? Yeah, I mean, if I get those regulations and all that information on how to assist, I think that'll be perfect. And if you want, Fiorella, we'll look at the letter you have if you want some assistance with bullet points or suggestions, we'll be glad to do that as well. Thank you. Great, so John Greco, can you send the regulations, Fiorella? Yes, I will. If you wanna give me a email, Fiorella, or give it to John Griffin, he'll give it to me as well. I'll send it to you, John. We have it, okay. We have it, John. That's what you need, Fiorella. Thank you. John and John, are those regulations from DHED about tenants associations? Is it in regular people's language or do you need a law degree, thank you. No, I think it's generally, it's like any regulation, they seem like they contradict each other until you read the regulation four lines down, but generally, they're relatively easy to understand. Okay. Just a lot of the regulations you can find regarding tenants associations, regarding tenant participation in public housing. It's 7CMR760.6, those are the regulations. If you do Commonwealth of Mass or just type in CMR760.6, all the tenant regulations, pretty interesting read, so. Perfect. Thank you. Great, welcome. Thank you. Go ahead, Joanne. Joanne, go ahead. Joanne? Are you coming with me? No. Are you raising your hand? One way, we have an election. Can you hear me? Yep. Can you hear me? Okay. It's to have what's called an election for me. And maybe that's something that Mr. Greco was referring to, but it's pitch so that someone on the board isn't doing it because you have a committee and they work collectively to do it. But also, one of the things would be when it's okay with COVID is to allow that in the building, the building is to have space, please, just for something where the tenants association organizing could be come out of. That's one of the, that the board and the director can facilitate giving it's eight, also zero, extensive. Also say a tough on everybody. Joanne, I only caught part of that at the end. I didn't get the end, but. Everybody has. Can you repeat that if you can, or? It seems like our internet's down. So important. I lost audio. I lost my internet. Can you hear me, John? I can hear you. Okay, cool. I can barely hear Joanne. Yeah. I think this go-to meeting is. I have a little seizure. I keep on. I'm sorry. There's something. I think. Yeah. That it's beginning to break up. Maybe we are just. Wait till the next meeting. Um, I have a motion to adjourn. So moved. So moved. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I have a motion to adjourn. So moved. Oh, John. John. No, I don't have a question. I just want to say. We're going to. Trans meeting wasn't too, too bad. But we are going to look at the. The zoom platform. To see if the meetings would work better on those. And are not. I know my wife uses it for mediation in the courts. And it's pretty amazing. Some of the things that can do where they break them out into different rooms and all that. I don't think we need to be that complicated. But I think we're going to look at the zoom platform. And if we can, I can figure it out even for the next meeting. We may try that. That form. The platform and see if that works. So. I'll try and let you know, but either way, it'll probably be the same way to access. It'll be a click. From. From the website. So. Click on the link. So. Yeah. I've used zoom all the last year and a half. Go ahead. Just like last thing. I remember our mentioned something about maybe men. Changing the name for monotony manner. Just wondering how that would actually work. And. Yeah. Just how that would go. Changing the name. Yeah. I don't know how would that work. Nobody did. Well, I know. It might be a little offensive to still have an Indian, like Native American. Name to it. All right. Well. And. Yeah. I think. I think that's something. I think I should talk about. Just something that was mentioned in the email. So I just wanted to discuss it. I don't know how that would work. Who has. Who has naming rights. No clue. I guess figure it, figure it out. Yeah. All right. Well, thank you. I have no clue. On that. I mean, I'll look into that with a naming change would be. I mean, it's kind of interesting because. The years people refer to it as the projects, you know, and we spent a. Very. A lot of time. A lot of effort. To use the name and on me manner and refer to it as. So it wouldn't have the stigma of, you know, feeling or, or people saying, oh, the, you know, Even today, when I, you know, you pick up or you look on the internet every once in a while, you can kind of tell who's all lying to me and who's not all lying to me. By the way, they refer to. Man on me manner. I think we've worked hard. Trying to call it monotony manner. So it would lose the stigma of, you know, The Ellington project. So I think we've worked hard. I think we've worked hard. Trying to call it monotony manner. So it would lose the stigma of, you know, The Ellington projects. Some of them. I mean, I don't think that has really changed. I think it's still called the projects, no matter what. Also, to whoever just made the comment. Oh, come on. Keep those side comments to yourself. We're all trying to have a conversation here. And the root demeaning and side commentary from the peanut gallery. It's not really appreciated for me personally. I was making a genuine question. Yeah. That's fair. That's a fair comment. I just don't, I just don't know who has a naming right. No, no. Yeah. I was just asking, but that's. Yeah. I think we, I think we should be able to have the naming rights to it. Okay. We can call it whatever we want. Well, maybe the tenant association. Or maybe the tenant association can come up with a name. Yeah. Once we get it associated. Absolutely. After. Cool. We have a motion on the, we have a motion on the. Table to adjourn. I have a second. Second. All in favor. Brian. Yes. Urella. Yes. Yes. Nick is a yes. Thanks everybody. Motion. Brian. Brian. Yeah. Have a great night. Everybody have a great weekend. Rachel's still on. We'll call you in the next couple of days. Thanks. Thank you. Bye. Thank you.