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I got a special guest today for y'all He don't need no introduction this guy right here man every time you come on the show I'm very excited because at the end of the day man You ain't got enough money. I just say that you The road music is in the building. What's up with it? What's going on, man? Say man, it's good to have you back on the show man. I'm gonna tell you something man You put me in my first video man. You know I couldn't be your first I Was in that one with a little key key now D, but you can't see me You won't never find me. Yeah, I wasn't supposed to be in there, but yeah, you came y'all up in this one That was unexpected to you didn't expect no, I wasn't even trying to do all that put you in it Yeah, yeah, they you know the boy getting a little clot now your husband getting a little known Everybody see him and the road got me out here bad. I'm feeling myself Your legend out here in these trees man, but before the podcast and after the podcast man It's been it's been it's been a thing where I'm just trying to get used to Being able to get the right people on this set so that we could represent the you know the Dallas area, right? And and when I first started this thing up you came on early man done chief came on early man It was certain ones and and I never forget that bro. I called you came and we really have a lot going on But nigga, we was here Now man, uh, yeah From day one, I saw that I saw the vision, you know I'm saying we had a good conversation I saw the setup and and I remember we talked about where you talked about where y'all was going with it And I believed in and now we hear you feel man. It's definitely been flourishing ever since that You feel me so but that's on y'all y'all putting that where you know, uh, I see it everywhere Y'all traveling and moving around. I see all the clothes popping up everywhere Man, man, I can tell you man like like like I think you one of them guys that like I said Platinum artists is it ain't many of them that's been on this show. That's what I'll be telling these boys You know, it's a difference when you're dealing with uh, you you are platinum artists, man You know what I'm saying? How does it feel after all these years to be to accomplish that man when some people wish and may or might Might not ever do it. You know what I'm saying? How does that make you feel? I mean, it's just one of those things where like when you're doing it, you're in the moment You're ain't really thinking about that You mean obviously you want to have as much success as you want as you could have But you know in retrospect, you know looking at it and seeing how a lot of stuff can change I'm blessed. You know what I'm saying? Because it's hard to it was always hard to do these type of things And it's in in this damn time is still that way But I I just created it to the quality of the music, you know, I'm saying just putting it in the ground But I don't really think about it like that, you know, you know when I hear it coming out of your mouth That's when it coming to a perspective But when I'm at the crib or when I'm with myself I'm just thinking about what I need to be doing as an artist and what I'm creating next, you know I'm saying but I will say, you know, it's definitely a blessing to be associated with, you know Some of those titles for sure. Yeah, because how many years you've been doing this now? Man, I mean I started rapping when I was in high school When I was 17 but as far as actually being in the game and it actually You know, uh, our bassist did my deal while I was at PV. So I was like around 21 22 So, I mean, you know, it been man, I've been just we about 15 years in now 14 15 years officially, you know 13 to 15 years, you know, it's an officially but I've been doing it since day one in my mind when I started when I was 17 That's when it started for me. I was from real from day one And you've been representing Texas being represented. Look at your shirt you have on you represent Dallas Man, I can't think of bro name somebody gave me this at the deep Ellen first I got booked for the deep Ellen first in a show and a fan came and gave me the shirt and then This morning when I pulled it out and put it on like, oh, you know for the word is for show, you know Yeah, you know, you know the whole album I'm on the whole phase all Texas right now. So this is the perfect shirt So shout out to homie. I can't remember your name bro, but I'm rocking your shirt Man, I can tell you like when you first started out, man The game was different, you know people signing deals and people doing things that was Really, you know, like you had if you got a big deal if you got a deal Then you was on but now it's the independent game so much because of the way things are laid out You were signed to uh, you want a couch or like like how did you end up? Did you are you still with them? Do you deal with them? Or how did you even Change the game when you left there? Yeah, so shot the catch. He went man I did that deal coming out of pv We did a three album deal so I fulfill those obligations with the derail music first album to get big album And then the silent assassin gangster grill that me and dj drummer did that was the three album that fulfilled that whole Yeah, yeah, so we feel that uh deal speaking of that While it's on my mind man, we me and dj joe We just put out the other two gangster grills that never had hit strumming platform for we did Now, you know back then we was our live mix tapes in that pill So we had never put them on a dsp's So this year maybe a couple of weeks ago. We officially put out Uh, the number 23 gangster grills in the cold red Gangster grill so them out as well. But yeah, I fulfill them Them album obligations with e1 and uh, we still in talks, you know, what is crazy because I'm actually about to double back with them And do something special They got something I can't really tell y'all what it is But we actually put a double back and do something along the lines of uh Some of the stuff we did and some of the new stuff i'm doing so, you know, uh, yeah, yeah but this We've been putting it out together independently and uh Shot the music access I'm I'm rocking with them right now on on a project that we figured it put out too. So, you know, we're just moving the music around at this point Man, I can tell you man. Like I'm I'm just excited to see you where you be working, man There's a lot of stuff that be happening out here in full, you know full swing, man Um I've been looking at different things that's going on that you really can't You know deny like like jamie fox and and what he been going through You know, uh being from tearo tex is you know, I think about all the stuff, man You know, uh, but but people It's tough on the internet these days because a lot of times people be want to know so much about your insight You know what i'm saying? But a lot of time people are not able to see what you're doing to see where you at With what you got going whether it be health or whatever and that's done purposely because people don't be wanting people to know But it's been a tough break. I just had to say that because it was on my mind has nothing to do with you DeRoe But Everything to do is shout not the fact that I want to see him get better You know what i'm saying jamie fox, man. I seen you with him Yeah, when you when you came right before you came the last time We were at the cowboy's game, man. We you know, we had a sweet together Playoff game and uh, we just kicked it bro. It was cool. You know, we anytime I see him You know, it's our love with her But we always connect on the on the same tip that we from dalis basically You know, we from tearo when we outside the city when I see them in la that's somebody from dalis Area when you outside of the state of texas obviously it's that is what we're at is Everything is all together. So I always see them, you know, out there on the west coast and you know We we always connect on the dalis tip and we always been cowboy fans. So Man, you know, but but but being a celebrity and stuff like that and having so many fans that love you Um, whether they met you or not, how do you feel about um people? What should I say not saying be over into your private life because it's not always about cloud and not always about They just want to feel like they're your friend, you know, what I mean How does that feel to you because it's like I would think it would be a love hate because then They can cross that border of your privacy. You know what I mean to you. How does that feel so for me, uh yeah All right, so I had this thing where Even when it comes to like fans, you kind of know like the people that have been around like if they obviously Your friends and family going to be friends and family But sometimes you do got fans and people that just support them, you know, you know, uh So I just I just balance everything. I look at everything. Uh If I feel like the person is genuine, I know we all humans at the end of the day You it's easy to feel for somebody that you connect you you may not miss somebody but you can connect with them Right, exactly. So if I feel that genuine connection, I just treat it the same, you know If they was able to get access to me during a certain time Then obviously it was meant for them to get access to me, especially if they're giving me good energy Good words, you feel me? So I balance it like that. I kind of use my discernment. If it's somebody that's giving me love I might need that from my outside stranger at that moment, you know, I said because if they was somehow way I might check a DM at a certain time And I and it might gave me the worst inspiration I needed that time So I just kind of balance it all out, you know, and uh, anybody who's close going to be close They're gonna already be connected. So because it's been that way even before social media But the social media to me took it to another level because when you're posting stuff people feel like They're they're your best friend when they don't even know you when I think about how it used to be going Think about Michael Jackson's people fainting Crying all these emotions and don't even notice man. Yeah, because of his music Sometimes I think about what it would be like back if Michael Jackson they had like social media back then, right, you know, uh But man, it's just the times we living in, you know, uh social media internet is definitely a big part of all that and uh I just like I say everything I feel like if it's meant it's meant and I feel that connection Then you know, I'm gonna express that, you know, uh So I come across a lot of people like I say fans and people just out there that's fans Some of them friends some people don't know me some people support us some people be haters Some people be haters and then they become your support in your face And you know, you still gotta know how to play off that energy, but How do you keep your private life private because I'd never ever go On social media and hear nothing about derogh. He draws real good about it. I never see Um pictures of whoever you're dating. Yeah, whoever you broke up with. I've never seen a female come on there and be like Well, he did this this this this this I've never seen any of that and you've been in this business a long time. So how do you do that? Man, I just try and connect with real people, you know, uh, you know, I got real people in my life And you know, I'm saying I just keep it at that energy and I mean a private life I feel like it's kind of easy and you know, it could be difficult in this time But a lot of people put their private life out there when you put it out there a certain type of way It ain't the moment you put your private life Private life out there is no longer private. So, you know, the stuff that I feel like need to be private stay private You know, but at the end of the day I live my life pretty openly. So it's like the people who know me and if you know me you come across me It don't seem that way. But From social media standpoint, I really try and just put my music out there Right, you know what I'm saying? Because at the end of the day, I try and put everything in the music And then you can get a glimpse of the of me and who I am through the music You know, so if you want public if you want private stuff So I think just having that mindset and then coming In the game right before it was like that I kind of got a ideal and sense of how to live without it You know I'm saying a certain type of way, but you know in these times anything could become public Yeah, because a lot of people putting everything out there Some people do it on purpose. Some people do it unintentionally, but you know with me, man Like I said, I live a real life. So when I'm inside life, I'm focusing on that and that's enough for me You know I'm saying in my fans I only really feel like I want to connect with them first and foremost through the music You know I'm saying and once I connect with them that way It's more of a situation to where you if you Listen into the music you can get a real good glimpse of my private life a lot Especially with a lot of the new music coming even the old music even the albums like I talk about a lot of stuff But you know a lot of times the fans, you know, everybody wants the bangles from the road Exactly everybody bangs from the road But anybody who wants the other stuff which I have a group of fans like that Hints is why I came with the six three brand of the road brand for the people don't know To separate it. Yeah. Yeah, because the six three is yeah, I want the bangles I'm gonna get y'all six three They want the rapper you're gonna get six three The road, you know, the you know, the humanitarian the person you're gonna get a lot of that more with this brand in the near future So yeah, I try and put it out in the music I just try and save it for the music You know I'm saying I feel like that's the best way to put it out if you're an artist Man, I really like like I know you and boosie, you know, I shout out to boosie. I seen him On the breakfast club and uh, they basically was boy. Hey, they was giving doing what boosie do, you know Do you ever talk with him anymore? Would you ever work with him again? Yeah, I pulled up on boosie, uh Last year for his boosie, uh, boosie bad Yeah, you did That was a picture of him. Yeah, I flew out to Atlanta. I went to his crib So I had to like when I saw he was doing that I thought it was a good idea And I had nothing going on that day I said, you know what I'm for the flyer to the a man and I flew out to the a Went to the crib pulled up had a good time just said him wow lot, you know what I'm saying We kicked it, you know eight full kicked it with with the homies and and that's the type of relationship me and boosie I always had you know, boosie was the first artist in the industry that embraced me like I was always when I first came in the game I was I was I was new to the game So I was kind of like the artist that when I would see another artist like I'll be the one to initiate Like what's up this that this that and you know what I'm saying kind of introduce myself and kind of start our relationship With with other artists boosie was the first artist that ever did that to be like, you know, I remember we was on tour I had one on a tour. It was me boosie. It was like Latoya lucky and yogatti And like ace hood it was a couple of people but on that tour None of us had never met each other yet. You know what I'm saying? And like we was somewhere and boosie like tap my shoulder turn around or boosie was doubting me up You get I'm saying so me and him connected right then and there and like from then on He was more like I didn't even look at him like I looked at everybody else in the industry You feel me the the few people that was like that that I didn't that I had that type of connection What was boosie and nipsey? You know I'm saying like we just had like a certain type of relationship to where I'm like This this the homie this bro. You know I'm saying I was at boosie crib the same week they came and got him He got locked up. You know, we was I was it is we was getting ready to record music and everything Yeah, so me and boosie just always hit their relationship. So when I saw he was doing the the boosie bash The boosie gone bad. I'm like me. I'm gonna just pull up I'm just gonna pull up and I pull up to the a once in a crib and you know, we kicked it But you know anytime I hit boosie if I hit him right now to get on the song he'll do the song He'll pull up, you know, I'm saying whatever. So we just kind of hit their relationship from day one And I just keep it like that, you know, that's bro at the end of the day. Well boosie, um I gotta ask you this. How can I ask you this? He uh He uh, basically uh, well I can say this him and ti had fell out and when they fell out, um, basically, uh They ended up patching things back up and I thought that was you know, something admirable like what, um In the industry if you get into it with somebody, um, is it a thing where Have you ever seen a Issue where you was able to resolve it as men and get past it even though you might I think you spoke up a little bit on chief was mad at you a little bit about boosie. It wasn't that bad But it still was a thing where you know, how big is that how admirable is that to to get past the differences as two men Who are known brands and everybody watching, you know, yeah the thing with industry issues, man You know, I didn't hear feel smile, you know, it's a matter back But what it is is the artist They know you really never know each other on a personal level. So you can't really have a real beef You know, I said the only way you can really have a real beef with somebody out It has to be personal for it to be that type of beef if it ain't personal No matter how it spun or people try and make it It's it's almost impossible for you to really feel that energy for real, you know, it's a matter I remember, you know, when when people was trying to make me a hurricane crisp beef over the holly bears And we had words and we had a situation But it wasn't personal enough for me to lose sleep on it It was just like You're dressing and then you go you ain't even thinking about it because it ain't really real So with that being said, that's how it always felt with me and I saw I know it's like that with other artists Now some artists are closer like, you know, I can't really speak on boosie until I know they close My thing is if I'm close with an artist, if I feel like with an artist like that Or if I feel like with a nigga like boosie, I'm gonna definitely be on this line Yeah, you know what I'm saying? It's gonna be something we probably 90% Change that we're gonna hammer that offline. You feel me in real life, you know So that's the only way I could see it. You get anything else. It's for entertainment at this point That's real. Yeah, you know, a lot of people do it for entertainment Some people get off on that some people don't but if it ain't a real personal beef Like if we ain't really running to each other in real life into or something It's just internet stuff. You know, that's real. I agree with that 100% because once it spills on to the internet Yeah, it belongs to the people then once the people get the beef and stay beef and they created that It's all about how you react to that Once it's on the internet, it belongs to the internet, you know, but what I hate about beef is that With the people it create beef amongst them like you could have two sort of people who never used to argue with each other But all of a sudden I'm ti you You see and then all of a sudden we beefing too Yeah, that's when they let the people sway. Oh, that's right. When you get swayed by the people That's when that type of stuff happened and it ain't I guess it ain't that easy to Not get swayed by I guess if you caught up in it for me it is but like when you see it happen Because I be seeing stuff that I feel like she never had but I'm like now I don't know. Yeah, exactly. So the only thing I can say is when you get it be people around A artist and then be a people around another artist and those artists be Influencing the artist. I mean those people be influencing the artist and that's what make it a real beef You know what I'm saying? So sometimes the internet get to the people that's close to the artist And then the people that's close to the artist gets to the artist and that's the way it Kind of translate when people be beefing because I see some stuff I'm like, there's no way that this ain't for entertainment or they just or they don't got caught up You feel me? So I can't I know I noticed you don't know being nothing you I love to real bro. So it's like my life's so real that like it's easy for me to ignore something like that You know what? When it gets like when I was talking to Sylvia shocker. I asked him about uh, Him mouse apia and and romeo getting into because this was the time we was interviewing and he spoke about it And that's like I would have never let that get out He really gave me an intimate answer like I hate that got out But they know both of them know that when I say something Basically, they know I mean it, you know, so it'd be family family It can be a thing where family comes out and start to speak on social situations because they know you So it's but once you get on the internet again And I'm telling what are you going to go? It'd be a lot of Die down no matter what it is eventually something else hot her something else Comes up and it dies down no matter how big you think it was Thanks. Yeah, that's true. You know, I remember we had some stuff going on then dovetail It just pretty much everything that I had some I'm like man, it's gonna go viral I thought it was the hot one of the hardest interviews and then dovetail rp to dovetail And they were like dang is that don't worry about that no more. That's the you know Because that way more important, of course But it's like certain things that internet will be swayed by different situations I would think that it would be the same with music like if Say example you put out music today not knowing somebody big was going to pass away Or whatever and it passed away like a dare to after you put out your music. Does that affect your Your music that would only affect you if you built off like something if you built off a weak brand Or you built off the internet where you building like that like me It takes so long to really build music. So for instance, let's just say I put out music and something like that happened I'm still in the clubs. I'm still Talking to the DJs for real. I'm still on the DSPs. I'm still here in there And if the if your music is strong, it's gonna build It you know what i'm saying? It's gonna connect. It's just when you see stuff like that If something can't happen to make an artist's music disappear the music ain't song food. It's fast food You know, it's just something that ain't gonna stick anyway Because it's nothing that can really make think about it any song that you still listen to the day that have been out Think about how much stuff didn't happen. Like That's the only thing so I don't worry about that. I just good music. I just yeah, I just make the good music How important is it for you to be in the clubs making appearances even if you don't like Perform or nothing like that But just for people to see you when you have something coming out I still believe in the underground railroad. You feel that's what I called it the clubs, you know, I'm saying like It's even in this day and time like I feel I believe in everything I believe the internet is is one thing. I believe the radio is one thing I believe the streets is one thing. I believe the club is one thing I believe, you know, I you know, everything is a certain thing. Everything works together And if you really true about it, you're gonna try and find a way to hit out them avenues and platforms So I still believe in the clubs. I mean, I don't Like me personally, I don't leisurely go to the club. I ain't never leisurely went to the club But my life obviously being a rapper. I always been in the club. Yeah, you have to so, uh When I'm putting that music here, you know, I pull up some spots, you know I'm saying, uh, I got a lot of hosting's coming up now You know, I'm saying and it's just it's to break the music get the music to the people get it to the dj's I still believe in the dj's So yeah, I think that's very important. Now a lot of new artists that's coming out They don't even know they don't even think like that. They you know, I'm saying but some of them do You know the ones that I see doing that it worked for them You get I'm saying so I look at it all I call the club around the street routes I still call that the underground railroad That's a way to get your music out because the internet is Man, you know, you kind of got to get lucky on the internet, you know, I'm saying a lot of artists Put out music just to think about how they for the make everything happen on the internet But you know something by going out in the streets and going to Sydney's real life places You can control it yourself. You know, you really just got to believe in yourself believe in your brand Believe in your music, you know, you gotta be two feet in Well, mentally illness being such a big big thing nowadays like do you have you ever been to a Counselor anything have you had to go through anything that caused you to have to deal with mental illness? Uh, I think we all in debt with mental illness. Oh, no way. Yeah. Yeah, but I never really uh Went to a counselor because one for me my therapy is music One one of my manager therapy is music, you know, uh, uh, and I and and expressing myself through music Working out, you know, I'm saying connecting with people I really know, you know, I'm saying using the people around me in real life Because anybody can be a counselor. You feel me like I can come up here and talk to y'all and feel better or feel Yeah, you know, so you can use the whole world as your counselor, but as far as really sitting down with a therapist I've never done that. I'll though, you know, uh, I'm not against that I want to say there's a difference between mental illness and mental health Because everybody needs some sort of mental health so to say but when you say mental illness That has to do with, you know, a lot of your chemical imbalance and really, you know, you need medication or whatever But everybody a lot of times go through some sort of trauma whether, you know Thinking about their mom dad parents things that went through in the past a girlfriend How she what she did you and you have to get over it That's really just, you know, mental health getting your head right and, you know Learning how to move on from that So, yeah, you're now you're right It's been a lot of a lot of different situations where people are bringing that up because of different past things that happen in one's life And so we get that a lot on the show. So I said I'm gonna start asking that question a lot of times to everybody because I'm one that never been to a counselor. You know how I feel about it I feel like God is my counselor. I had this conversation with a lot of people But and and and some people say you different because you just think different But I feel like, you know, you got to pull up your big boy draws or whatever and get it Get it done But then some people like but some people been through a lot now We had a lady on her last week that shoot I don't know if I was her. I probably had to go to a counselor She had a lot going on. So at the end of the day, that's just one of the questions I had But I want to go over to the music man How was it when you didn't you got to think back the row when you dealt with uh, uh, uh P did in all them in that remix to get big and how did that even happen man? Because I never asked you that yeah So, you know, we had our store weekend in Dallas one year. I don't yeah, it was snowing It snowed yeah up that year So, you know, anybody that was coming to Dallas, you know, they would always lock in with me Hit me up one day. I get a call about diddy. Uh, wanted me to pull up. We had went to k104 Uh, and we did baby show and did he was up there, you know doing promo So we that was the first time we we had locked in but like we so we I think we changed now at the radio station They laid on that day he hit me and he was just like, uh, pull up We went somewhere me him, uh mark cuban like we went to some little event they had, you know So I'm kicking and with them or not and we just kind of just kick it that that time and I'll start weekend because The the stuff was getting counseled because the snow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah We kind of just found like our only event and did and we got cooled in so long fast forward from there Uh, probably some months later. I had put out get big. I had dropped the gangster grills Get grid get big was on that gangster grills. Uh number 23 it blew up from there And I'm going radio it became a big record and it was probably like top 10 on the urban choice at at the time And I was just like damn. It's time for a remake. I hit diddy. I hit him with a text mixer I'll just text him. I was like, hey, bro. I reckon get big Top 10 right now. We're trying to put the remix together. I really want you on it Man, he hit me right back to he was like sending to me sent it to him He heard it. He was like, I'm gonna have it back to you tomorrow and and he sent me back to Now first he told he said I'm gonna have it back to tomorrow then the next day He hit me to actually like write the verse, you know, I'm saying to write the verse for him. So I wrote the verse You know, I said, I wrote a word But he didn't use it Because he like I was young and I was I was two texts is on uh, you know I wasn't thinking like a new york nigger because he ended up having like red cafe do it for me First he ended up doing it's hard, you know, I'm saying uh Like and it was more on when I listened to it. I'm like, yeah, this is more like diddy like Yeah, because at this time like now if I write something for somebody I'm thinking like them I'm like if I'm writing it's for so and so I'm thinking like him So I'm gonna write it for him. It's gonna translate better. But I was young. I'm writing it like me You know, I said I write the hard verse that I was big and it was hard too You know, I'm saying I might I might try and find that I might use that one day But now like I'm thinking like that so I sent it to him and he was like this He was like it's hard, but it don't sound like me. So then, you know, red cow. They did it next day Though they sent the verse over I was like, damn, I got a diddy verse and then, you know, from then I went and got gaudy on it. I just hit it I met everybody through relationships E1 couldn't even put together this remix for me at first They didn't even clear this remix because it was better than the remix they did They had gave me another remix with some e1 audience shout to the people that was on it But it just wasn't that I was like, no, I can do better. This is myself. So I went and got diddy Uh drama, yo gaudy. No, no, no Uh B. Yeah, yeah So everybody that you reached out to say yes I reached out, yeah, yeah Shawty Lowe was on there though Wait a minute. Wait a minute. I gotta say this man. I talked to this son yesterday, man. So I'm gonna listen man Man, how was it man? Hold on let me Shawty Lowe That's that's my dog. First of all, me and Shawty Lowe We might got about four or five songs Really? When we shot videos to one time I pulled up to the eighth Shawty Lowe was the type of nigga I pull up to the eighth I'm shooting just a regular video. We did a song for a mixtape. I'm like, hey, bro I'm in the eight. We did this song on the mixtape. This ain't even a song. I'm putting just a song on the mixtape Yeah, he pulled up on me in the eight. We somewhere and somebody hood in the age of shooting his version He pulled up on me and Walker did a song He pulled like Shawty Lowe was one of the niggas that I pulled up on you for real You know what I'm saying? Same thing go to tv say He'll pull up on you for real like you in the city He gonna pull up and I'm out of where you at. He gonna really pull up. It ain't one of those. Oh, I'm gonna pull up And you don't hear from now. He pulling up. So shout out Shawty Lowe. He pulled up. We probably shot about three or four videos Shawty Lowe So, you know anytime I was in the A bro like, you know, I went to a spot, you know out there in Uh, in Bay Kid. I've been to, you know, I was I was fucking bro heavy I am born heavy Yeah, yeah, you know, we he just always show love but it was different It's only certain people I could really everybody had always showed me love but it was certain Different people that did it on different levels Shawty Lowe was one of the ones that really pulled up. We did multiple songs multiple videos You know people fucking with you when they come in to your videos Pull it up. I ain't never paid for a feature in my life Wow Ever, you know what I'm saying? Ever, not once at the time and I didn't get features for anybody in the industry I ain't ever paid for one so that's really off respect That's real When I do features for somebody for free is because I respect who you are and I respect your artistry That's how I want it. I used to tell myself if I can't get an artist for free then I need to keep working You know what I'm saying? Because I know if you're really on your shit like the artist is going to fuck with you Like Jay-Z do only free verses You know what I'm saying? But you got to get to the level You know what I'm saying? You got to get to that He ain't going to charge you for no verse but if you get to the level to where So if you're an artist you want to earn that So that's how I always looked at it But I do know it's a difference It's one thing to get somebody on your verse. It's another thing for them to do the verse And come do the video That's a whole other thing When it was like Diddy So I went to the A it was B.T. Ward weekend I hit Diddy and it was crazy because I'm like I know bro ain't going to do the video I want him to be mad, you know what I'm saying? Because he did the verse for me and everything But I was just throwing a Hail Mary. I'm just going to text him. Why not? I got his number Hello. I'm like, hey bro I'm in the A We're going to shoot the video. I hit everybody else on deck You know what I'm saying? We were shooting it but I just didn't expect to get Diddy So I text him. He's like where you at? When I say Diddy pulled up in like an hour from when I text him and told him He was already dressed and everything. I mean obviously it was stuff going on So he was already in that mode Shout out to Mano. Mano my nigga Mano my nigga bro But he a real nigga We were shooting a video And I had came out my pocket to pay for this video It cost a lot but he wanted to pay for this because they didn't use this remix So I had to come out my pocket all on the spot in the A You know what I'm saying? I didn't have to pay none of the artists But I had to pay for everything on the spot You know when you're doing something right then and there It's going to cause more. It ain't playing that It was a dude named Rage or something He was like the top director and I had to pay You know he hit me with a crazy price He's like right now in the A and you want this, this and this Well if you're going to do this it's going to be X amount And he said it was BT award weekend And I'm like fuck it. I got to do it Like I can't, you know what I'm saying? So I did it And then so when Diddy showed up, Mano was shooting his verse You know what I'm saying? But like Diddy was just like Hey man I got to be in and out but so like When he came, nigga, the whole thing stopped We had to stop Mano's point and we let Diddy shoot his thing But Mano wasn't tripping though Like cause at the end of the day you know Mano was another nigga I've been rocking with and locked in with It was a real hard nigga, man And when Diddy came like it really brought the whole thing together Cause I'm like damn baby was there everybody was there And we were just like oh this shit for real now So it kind of turned up the whole shoot Cause now we really believe in the whole thing Cause it was one of those things where we just Just fly through it and get out everybody wanted to go to their parties Now this became an event at this point we all here So I'll never forget that And to me to this day like Diddy was just a real nigga for doing that Like he could have asked for X amount of money He could have, you know what I'm saying? He could have did it the way But he pulled up and showed love, you know what I'm saying? So that was a big moment for me to really let me know You know where I stand in the industry as respect That's what I knew I already had respect in the industry when people were doing that Cause like I say I'm an artist I know it's one thing to do a verse But it's a whole other thing to pull up under a video Especially at this type of level So when that happened that's how I used it I was like Okay this money was well spent you feel me? What about Bumbie, Bumbie will stand up dude Bumbie just stand up, yeah he was there for sure you know And everybody met Diddy at that shoot that was there The first time I met him Drama met like Link Gotti, Bumbie Everybody was at that shoot Probably outside of Mano, Mano from New York Right You know they was already locked in or whatever Everybody had just met Diddy at that shoot Wow So you know a lot of people locked in from that moment The niggas started becoming Sirach boys right after that you know what I'm saying So I was glad about that I'm like okay I created something Where other niggas was able to eat from that you know So it was just a fun time you know and that was another thing I was having fun at the time you know what I'm saying I looked at it like okay I'm going to invest in myself But I might also have fun doing it so How was it working with your Gotti You and him how did you guys even link On that tour same one with Boosie Me, Gotti and Boosie, LaToya Lucket And Ace Hood that was my first tour I went on Okay And it was crazy because this was a weird tour It was like it was an early morning tour We did shows early in the morning at school We was like in North Carolina We was in that Midwest And we was going from city to city doing schools Like high schools Maybe some colleges too I can't remember But we was doing early morning shows So the shows was like 7, 30, 8, 30 in the morning Big shows though But it was called a Russ Park tour or something like that It was something they had to do with the radio And the schools and we all did that So that's the difference because you know We doing night clubs at night And normally when you're on tour you got the whole day to sleep And do all that stuff and then you doing evening shows and night clubs We was doing night clubs like hosting But then we'll have to get up early And go do performances at 7, 30 in the morning So we was all going through that tour We was all going through none of us was really feeling that But we all went through it so we kind of I think we all kind of bonded during that tour Every day you know what I'm saying And we was all grinding and I remember Yo Gotti he would hear this whole team I learned a lot from Yo Gotti because the way he was moving He had this whole team with him Like you could see him in hungry mode They was on it I was going solo with my small team And for me it was just okay I'm coming out of Dallas I'm just not getting some exposure I'm just going to rock every show That's my mindset and that's what I was doing Rocking every show Gotti and I am headed To Memphis and at the show we got everybody Passing our stuff this is this and that So that's when I started implementing that You know what I'm saying because I was just Okay homie you know grinding so I got to see The early stages of Yo Gotti You know what I'm saying so seeing that And then you know seeing homie transform And keep growing you know So when I see him I remember Bro was really Putting that shit together Being a young dude like he was Did you ever see the way that he flourished The way that look at how he is now That he had to come under That's what I'm saying You can see that in it I saw it every step because it was different Gotti is another person that I always show love You know we came he was in my He was in my hood bitch finished video We shot that in Dallas I think we even shot that big T We might have shot his part in big T We shot this part in Deep Elements something Man him shot a video in Miami Gotti we did a lot of stuff Man Gotti got a bunch of records too So I look at certain artists where I got We do it and we shot videos and when I Think about it I'm like them the artists Who was really fucking with me the most Because like I say it take a lot To do that you know what I'm saying My fucks ain't just pulling up for videos For the free you know what I'm saying Like unless they fuck with you And so Gotti was one of them And I kept seeing him over the years So I saw just you know the elevation Even when you bring him up now I think I'm back to that tour I remember Bro was really putting it together You know shout out to Gotti Man I think that like I said that's live When I look at you And I think about the summertime Coming now and I think about The time it was when you did Beat up the block with Boosie And man we're gonna Ever get another banger like that when the summer jumping off Cause y'all niggas was out here making the niggas feel like it was going down Man you know think about it Think of he had just come home He had just got some crib and you know what's crazy Is right before he got locked up before that Boosie did an ice cream paint job Verse and everything He never came out, fans took his computer We was working on some other stuff the week Boom, they took the computer So it was crazy as soon as he got out From that that was the first thing we did We locked in and beat up the block You know what I'm saying same thing As soon as I hit him up he was feeling that record too I can just tell by how he delivered the verse Then you know some months later He came back out he came to Dallas We shot the video and We just had a good time doing it Speaking of that question man You know I played you something Before this interview That's what that is That was hard I'm talking about you and Boosie Man Boosie got I got an unreleased record I ain't put out Man Boosie also put out another record called Heavy We put out a We put out a record called Name Ring And we got something unreleased I'm gonna go out to the A When I went out to the Boosie gone bad I was supposed to actually come back that far In a week and record with him But you know we got to move it around But Boosie is one of those things I could pull up anytime And we'll record and we'll actually get the work done I want that banger bag man I want one of the bangers We got that chemistry bro You know what I'm saying I know how to make a record with Boosie And he know how to hop on a record If I put it together for show It's just gonna translate That whole 97.9 They come in that whole hard Some stuff at the fair I come into the fair but I'm just sure It just had that summer Dallas feel Before the jump But I think I heard the other one I can't wait whenever that whole drop I'm on it you know what I'm saying No 100% Yeah that's what I'm on right now But yeah man Boosie we just got that chemistry bro You know what I'm saying We're gonna always have that chemistry Let's talk about a star baby Man the album coming man Let's just talk about it for a little bit These songs that we've been hearing Man the ones that Man that sample of ESG gotta go And everything that ESG going through right now man You know what I'm saying It's perfect timing I'm gonna hit him up and talk to him I'll be texting him back and forth I ain't talking with him bro So you know let him know That you know I definitely want to Connect with him and I love Doing that sample because I love Doing certain samples to share that Light on them from one and then for two These were some of my favorite records So with that being said I haven't got to connect with ESG I think we did a show way back But we never really got to lock in I done locked in with a lot of other people So I'm glad that we got somebody mutual I definitely would like to have a conversation Man he hard man when it comes down to Just a good dude man And he been going through a lot lately But at the end of the day That right there put a smile on his face Man that's your love I want you to connect that I don't want to have that bro for real For real and it'd be good like I said To do it now because it'd be good to hear from you You know what I'm saying That's what it's all about right Yeah give him some motivation Some to hold on to bro So how did you come over I know what the song is about But what put you in that vibe You was just feeling good Yeah so The album the star baby album Needed some soul food It's a lot of bangles on there And I wanted to balance out and that was one of the records I always say soul food fast food Because that's what it is Sometime with an album you got to have Those substantial records The records with the subs and stuff And then that's one of the records That's giving you a little insight on On the road that's probably You won't hear from the 6-3 stuff or the bangles You know what I'm saying So I've been putting together this album for a minute You know what I'm saying I'm real proud of this album Because of what it stands for What I wanted it to stand for This is a specific project This is a very important project to me You know the whole goal is to put The world On what Texas is and always been But to the forefront once again And it's to combine It's to combine Dallas and Houston Out of Texas Bring it all together At the same time you know I got features on there I got Pow Wow, Sauce Walker Zero, Tom Tom Young Nation So it's like a Dallas Houston everything Every producer on there is from Texas Did you know I did half the album Too much did some tracks on there Q-Smith did some tracks on there How many songs? It's probably like 15 on there Yeah It's all Dallas Houston producers It's all Texas everything But it's worldwide Texas It's what I like See I tell people all the time When I was just in Houston A few days ago On 979 The Box They played a Cali Playlist like you know just Cali song But I tell people that all the time It translates because I like When I hear a Cali record from a Cali Artist and it's authentic People be thinking that When you make something like that It's gonna be just in that place you make it But really the whole world like hearing that When you can go anywhere in the world You can hear tipping on four folds You get what I'm saying Still tipping a lot of stuff But they love when you come with Music and it's authentic sound Just like Texas, just like California Atlanta So my goal with this album is to encourage More of our Dallas and Houston And Texas Audits and especially our Dallas Audits, DFW Audits To really get back on our sound Get back on our ways, the stuff that we can actually own You know what I'm saying That's how the only Audits that get owned from the city And from the mixed place are the ones that's ripping When you really think about it Big X the plug Big X the plug, Rep Texas This whole tour right now is called Don't mess with Texas, everything about him He got a song called Texas When you really think about it, a lot of Audits don't really do that The Audits that always stick Whether it's somebody like myself Somebody like a Big X the plug Even when you talk about a Mode 3 who Rep Dallas Even when you talk about a Trap and Yellow who Rep Old Cliff Even when you talking about I'm talking about the people who go out to the world And people know it's the people who are rapping where they from You know what I'm saying? Why don't more people do that then? Because what happens is a wave A catch and everybody feel like To get on you got to create that sound So if you from Texas and Atlanta Sound turn up or Chicago sound Turn up or wherever Everybody going to go to that sound Or Memphis sound turn up Everybody going to go to that Instead of not realizing that you got a way Better chance than being from Texas A place where we really got Some places don't got culture So they got to do that We really got that shit out in Texas So you got a way better chance Of making it and sustaining And making a name for yourself and having success By being from where you from And expressing that and putting that out in the music But most new Audits just Catch whatever wave Is the Chicago niggas on? A lot of niggas in Texas The new Audits going to be trying to sound like the Chicago niggas Or the Memphis niggas Or the Mountain niggas This is the way to do it For the show An example is a niggas like Big X the plug He wanted the newest Audits to come out Right now and he making a real wave And he repping You get what I'm saying? The whole point of me making a star baby project Is to put people out here into that Mindframe and then to put People out in the rest of the world Giving them that Texas sound that they love So let's talk about Never let me down I know what that, that was a good feeling too I ain't felt it in many years But yeah, that one right there That's actually going to be for Texifonia Shout out to Afro man Afro man, you know, he after from Cali Man, he over at Music Access Shout out to Adi who connected that Who shot the studio? We ain't shot yet We're back to shoot that I was in the studio That was just some content That was crazy in the studio Shout out to Adi That was just coming across a legend That I always like A rare legend A rare legend That make his own sound And he got a cool fan base He got a nice fan base But I came across and I was just like I can't come across Afro man and not do a record And if we're going to do a record I'm going to do a smoke record with And we just made a hit So that's just something we for to build up We're also working on this Texifonia album That I've been working on for a minute That's definitely going to be on there Why don't we call it Texifonia California Texas That's what I was thinking I just wanted to make sure I spent a lot of time in Cali For the last 15 years I've probably been living in Cali As much as I've been in Texas So my 6th street project And all that that's mostly done in Cali We're not Cali producers It's more of a Cali sound up temple Merging the two together That's been my lifestyle So it's something I can really express So I've been working on this concept And this project called Texifonia for a minute And you know I'm excited about that So that's probably going to come out in 2024 And you know that's going to be the road I meant to ask you how many songs On your Star Baby album Is going to have 6-3 compared to Darrow None of them All of them is Darrow So Star Baby is for to be like I'm glad you said that Star Baby is for to be the last Darrow project That's like this It's the last one like this Where you for to get Darrow the rapper After Star Baby album you for to get Darrow the artist And the person It's for to be a whole different thing The Darrow that people like The rapper y'all going to get that in 6-3 6-3 is going to be the rapper Darrow is going to be the artist Y'all got some whole other stuff going on with the Darrow brand I'm taking that to a whole another space I'm going to ask Darrow album That'll be What y'all used to hearing from Darrow But 6-3 is going to still give it to us It's not like he's going to leave his fans high and dry I'm just directing y'all to Because it ain't going to be Because I always had fans For my very first album I always had a split fan base My first album was self-titled Darrow music Obviously you know You had the hit songs on it You had Wire to the T You had all the bangers on there That attracted me on mainstream audience But When my album went out I attracted a whole different audience For everything else that was on that album And that audience hated These songs like The bangers out there they just hated it They didn't really fuck with it So I always had two group of people We want you to do this And I had another fan base that said We want you to do this What group is larger? Well Darrow brand is the bigger brand But what people have been wanting the most Is 6-3 Because 6-3 is the rapper That's the bangers So it's really like When I'm going with the Darrow brand after this You think it's going to be Because it ain't going to be about numbers It's going to be the substance of that That's going to be the Your legacy, what you want to leave That's going to be Darrow That's going to be Darrow That's going to be Darrow the business man That's going to be Darrow the humanitarian That's going to be Darrow the true artist And 6-3 is just going to be the rap nigga The rapper and that thing And that's cool too, I like doing both It's who I am, you know what I'm saying So I just express it to the fans Because that's the only way I can make it What are you confusing them to? Nah, nah, nah, nah I've been bringing I've been bringing it for so long It's going to be This is where it's starting to separate You'll understand it when you see it It's going to be pretty obvious because I'm saying it You're saying it a lot, I know I'm saying it, they're going to understand it When they hear it When you want the bangers, the people that like for me You're going to know to go to 6-3 Because that's all I'm giving you Okay, but on your Instagram Are you going to separate the two on your Instagram Because you changed your Instagram to 6-3 I changed it to 6-3 because I needed more branding I might, I might So you can separate it even more Because it's getting to that point now Once I drop my first 6-3 album Which will be later this year The Unlocked Project That's when I'll probably get into that But it ain't to confuse the fans It's really to let them know The fans really They deserve what I'm for to give them I got a lot of people that have been holding me down Over the years Publicly and privately supporting my music You know what I'm saying, I've been doing I'm blessed to say that since 2009 I've been doing shows since then That've been from my fans In the states, out the states, out the country Just in that low key Private shows, public shows All type of these But all these people collectively Have kept my brand alive So now I'm for to really get them What I feel like they deserve Man, I want to ask about that still Man, just because Fat bastards, I want to call them The Tom Zillers The DSR movement To show them That love like you did You know what I mean? Because you guys Y'all here together You showed that unity What made you come up with that song And how did you just layer it How did you put it together Shout out to Dizzy Norm That was actually Dizzy Norm on one right now You know he Coming from PV Like I always tell this story Because it's my favorite story to tell Like how Norm Really came up like I met Norm at PV And he Q-Smith Cousin Q-Smith was already a Polish producer dope Norm T, we was out one day We was passing our flyers It was my sophomore year at PV And it was his freshman year We went to the freshman campus passing our CDs Music and everything To the freshmen or whatever Norm T came up to me He was excited, he was telling me he made beats Or whatever, just this and that We went back to the room I was like, I bet, let's go hear him now And he played some beats And when I say these beats were so terrible I never heard anything so bad in my life It was just not good at all I couldn't even believe But I liked his energy though He was a rapper too He loved to dance He loved to dance But at this time he was just like, he rapped too Q-Smith had, my cousin rapped too And I heard him rapping, I was like, I like his energy So I was like, fuck you, you ain't got to make beats Come rap, we prying time, I had that boom But over the years he started making beats And then it came to a point Where he started making dope But then he just kept going boom, boom, boom So now Now he's a super producer He at the left So I like telling that story because I like the clown But he was always, you know what I'm saying He was always there So now, most of the time, like he did half the album I really be wanting, you know, knowing to do Pretty much almost everything I be doing When it comes to a lot of stuff Because, you know, I want to keep that, you know What we always hit He knows exactly what you like and what you want And that's another thing, we tap in We go right to it So when we lock in, we easy So that was actually a normal concept No, it was just like A, you know what I'm saying Because he was like, he made the beat I had heard it a long time ago I hadn't came up with nothing and he was hitting me He was like, you know what I'm saying, we come over to record Putting a steal in between When just him coming up with that concept It was easy for me from there because I just filled in He was basically saying steal Everything that's in between the hook just still Making that the concept I filled in everything and in the verses It was just easy, but when me and Norma lock in We hit the target, we go straight to Like, we can make a hit right away We don't really got to experiment We're going to come up with an idea and we're going to make it happen The boys getting quiet record You know what I'm saying, I'll just play it for you That's the new thing, you know what I'm saying That's the one we just went in there Boom, did it, record done, you know what I'm saying Beat up the block, same thing Like, Japanese, we just got Chemistry, you know what I'm saying So I'll be wanting to keep polishing that And Norma, he'll smart mind And produce it And he'll Swiss Warming nice, so he'd do it from every angle He DJ'd A real DJ He'd have been my hype man, BT Awards High levels, low levels Small shows to the Awards shows, he was my dancing videos He'd make the beats He'd have been a rapper, you know what I'm saying A&R So he done He the only person I know that Played that many, wore that many hats At a real level though, not just like Like, he a real DJ He a real producer, he a real artist He a real engineer You know what I'm saying, he a real, you know, dancer He a real hype man, you know what I'm saying So he do all of them at a high level He the only person in my life that I've met like that So, you know what I'm saying, that That's, he like the only person Out of primetime clique That, well not the only person Because everybody doing primetime clique Is a different entity, people doing different things But from the artists and from the day Ones, he still progressing So I'm putting a lot of light on I like that man, I'm putting a lot of night I still want to see what he's going to continue to do He still ain't at his peak, you know what I'm saying And just how much DSR mean, like working with those guys DSR, man, DSR The reason I rap bro, like It go little flip So I always Like the music, but what inspired me to actually Start rapping was out the Texas movement Which is how everything come forth circle Which is another reason why I'm doing star baby Because that's the reason why I even rap You know, I fell in love With The S.U.C. movement More so little flip That made me fall in love with Swisher House That made me fall in love with DSR And DSR actually made me jump off the porch To rap because they was here in Dallas And I would see these niggas, these niggas pull up at our school I went to Lancaster, these niggas come up To our freestyle, now you see these niggas at South by, I'm not south by Southwest Sixth Street, Texas Relays I just used to always see these niggas for real And so the trend Is different when you see it in real life Especially when you're a kid, I'm a teenager seeing this So that's what inspired me to actually jump off the porch And like, fuck it, I'm for to actually rap And have fun with it, you know what I'm saying That's what DSR mean to me You get what I'm saying, so if that don't happen You don't get a derog You know what I'm saying, and I And then you don't get a young nation I was about to ask you about them because I finally got them on the show We had a great time Your name came up You gave them a deal You blessed their game And they had a lot of love for you Just explain to me Because that's the only one that I know that you Signed, right? Explain to me why they were the only one It was different people But you know Other people, I signed a lot of my homies A couple people out in Cali That were the homies We did some different situations With different people It's a history I didn't know you had signed We're going to do another interview about that But we can see your nation was Man, nation was special though Shot to Q-Smith Q-Smith is the one that brought nation to me I remember one day I was at the Mosaic I had this little double floor suite And I'm up there recording some music Q-Smith pulled up on me And he had these two little niggas at the door Like they young at this time They still in high school That's in Houston, right? No, no, that's out here downtown They pulled up and it's these two little students I don't think they were in Dunkinville City Hill or Dunkinville Anyway, they there And I'm just like I liked them right from the jump Because they just hit their own lingo They hit their own lingo They was different It was wow, I thought they was funny I just used to laugh at everything they did They were just a wow Concept to me The concept of young nation was a wow How just they were From that day They kind of started living with me right then I had the studio So I would just put them in the boot Going to make a whole lot of songs They made club rap right then They were just making hits He was telling me about them But I really wanted to take them seriously until they came And I was like, let me see what these little niggas got You know what I'm saying? They had to put them in the boot And they the type of niggas They can just rap all day, all night type shit Like you know what I'm saying? I'm more strategic, I'm gonna do a couple of songs I'm gonna get out, you know what I'm saying? Boom So the crib was theirs They come I come back, they got mixed tapes done They were just some workaholics But they also were just some kids rapping I just took a liking to them I took a liking to them Did a deal with them, you know what I'm saying? I just saw what I saw And I was happy that I did And I combined with Q-Smith and DJ Merrick at the time They was the one that was really Facilitating young nation in a brand And really, even to this day Shout out to Q-Smith who do a good job With a lot of different artists But he did a real good job with young nation Really just helping them grow I had to take them in as People came like brothers You can tell when you talk about Q-Smith It was different, you know what I'm saying? But Q-Smith really cultivated Like they brand and did a whole lot To really turn young nation into What it became, you know what I'm saying? And they hit their own movement They already hit their own sit going on They hit their own down They hit a whole lot of stuff going on So it was a combination of a lot of stuff And I just used to have fun with them We'll do tracks with them More so than being so serious And strategic making records So I just used to have fun making music with them too They don't know how to do They don't know how to start a baby out We back working and everything Let me ask you a question So you did that with them I can imagine because you've been in business so long How many people or how many other rappers Actually come to you for knowledge Or for help or to try to help sign them Or help them get a deal Does that happen to you very often? Oh yo, all the time That's another reason why I made the star baby out Because this is what I learned over time Like I started and I really It came full circle I get a lot of artists overall But of course the most I get is Going to be artists from Texas And Dallas and this everybody I meet people everywhere I go You know before I came here I was getting my haircut, I was coming down the stairs And I met some people, some artists We were talking about music Everybody was talking about the same thing Because it's the real answer The problem has been When they have came to Dallas Artists and everything In Texas artists is that we got away From our culture, that's it, that's all You got away, everybody that's been trying To make it and putting money into it You got 60 to 70% more Chance to success by Really embracing the culture So that's what I tell everybody I'm going to be an example I'm going to make a whole project To show y'all what I mean On how I'm going to do it in my own way But obviously everybody can do it in their own way And the best example I can use right now From an artist that's doing it in their own way Is Big Ex the Plug I use him as an example I'm saying him because That's what I mean when I say That's all you got to do That's not all you got to do You got to be talented But you got a better chance It should have easily made it Can make it But they're doing the wrong stuff You know what I'm saying It's not that they don't got the talent It's they don't realize that the world needs to identify you first You know what I'm saying Some artists is just they're not Everybody from Dallas and everybody in Texas You don't got to be that But I'm telling you it's a ways to use the culture For your benefit It's already been built up by the ones before them People like myself and everybody that came before me I used the culture that The people I just named made You know what I'm saying The Swish House, DSR, Little Flip, SUC Everybody that Mr. Looch Everybody that came out of Dallas Big Chief, everybody that made some type of splash We are smart to go Because that's what any other city did Atlanta is big Because they've been piggybacking Like they should the whole time They should go way back to fucking Ray Charles That industry in Atlanta Been building for way before rap But we got that here in Texas That's my thing to tell you Are you like, because I know Just like when I was asking you about People coming to you and so forth And asking for help Have you ever been like a silent partner In helping any individuals With their business I'll go ask you about your business So I know You know a lot You ain't just out here in college To greet up and all kind of stuff And don't understand business What does the role invest in What do I need Do I need to buy some bitcoins So to answer your question I've been some silent partners And some different things that Been successful business wise What I've learned more And what fulfilled me Is that I keep using the word full circle Because I keep coming back full circle to the music So now I'm finding everything that's Attached to music where I can make money Even if it's on the business side Because this is where I'm most happy with it You don't really matter You gonna go harder, be more successful In something you actually want to do That's why I rap At the end of the day My goal now, my whole goal from here Is to find a way to People think that For years we always started and I thought this too I thought it was the goal Was to do a lot of things And make a lot of money But what if you could do one thing And make that same amount of money That's my goal My goal is to translate that back to music So what if I can make everything That if I instead of doing 10 businesses, what if I can make everything from music And I can make it make I'll make sense I can make these same things Obviously it's different things I gotta do But that's where I'm most happy That's where I'm more fulfilled That's where my experience is at That's where I know I can be That's a world I know and a world I love So the full circle moment is coming back Into that like okay The music industry is way bigger than what people think The shit is big And there's a lot of money in this shit Even though people try and say differently That's why you got all these labels Because they're making So much money in it The goal is to put it out into the world That it ain't no money in music So you can make all the money That's how the labels get collectively But then there's a lot of money in it But then you have to have the knowledge And a good team to be able to know How to acquire that money And have the paperwork together Because as I said earlier The fact that as I learn About this business it's very shy It's very you know And I'm not even in the business Of making all these different stories And how people can get messed out of money And how people are two faces Like there's no Are there any real people in this business So to say To be honest with you this is what I learned It come back to the artist See the music industry is called the music industry Or the music business So the music got to come first And the music is made by the artist So that's why you see in the end of the day The best businessman in this music industry It has to That's got to happen more So us artists got to become the business man Because we're going to know how to treat it better See what happens is when you get a lot of people Who's in the music industry that understand it Like a boss talk, y'all in the music industry Because this is what we're doing right now People like us got to be The people that's behind it Because otherwise you get a lot of people Who ain't attached to the court You don't really care about it They just know that they can make money from it From passion for it So when you really It's hard to be shite even as a real Artist like once you The stuff you went through as an artist It's just our most impossible for you to be a certain type Of way especially if you make it When you start going to business because you know how to Artist think, you know how everybody feeling Everybody thinking, so you know You deal with it differently But a lot of the music industry has been built In the past over people who ain't been Attached to the music industry like that They don't got real love for the people They don't got real love for the culture They don't got real love for the artists They don't give a fuck, they make it money For their families to have A beach home somewhere And they don't have no connection to the people Who are actually doing it So they just gonna figure out ways to finesse the people That's doing it And there been a lot of that over the years So they gotta get wiped out and washed away Then we can extract and do the business the right way You know what I'm saying Cause I could go all day on that But you know in a nutshell that's what it is I'm gonna circle back to the music one time man So Kevin Gates man He always deal with certain Texas Artists like have you ever worked with Kevin Gates? Man Kevin Gates gotta recommend Man Kevin Gates I One year at Austin when Kevin Gates was First coming and he wasn't even out yet Really? Yeah man we was going somewhere I met with DJ Earl, your boy DJ Earl We was somewhere in Austin And then we was walking to meet Earl And it's this nigga that's just walking up here I guess Kevin Gates he just got out of jail or something He's just walking up, he down there walk past us And he down there moving us out the way Like he boom, he ain't a whole monster We're like who the fuck is this nigga So we go in there with DJ Earl Your boy and then Earl introduces And he's like oh boom and we locked in Man we got cool, we did a record and everything He came to Dallas You know he was another nigga He was like man we're early, super early You know what I'm saying And I'm pretty sure if I reached out to Kevin Gates today We could probably get some work in I just don't be, I be in my own world I know it already, I can look at the moves I see how you are But he was one of the ones that once again It served the artist that we just connected Another nigga that was like that with me was Dove Man Dove just locked in you know what I'm saying R.P. Dove Man Dove met in Atlanta The way I met Dove The way to meet the artist We met in the ground DJ Holiday had a club He had a birthday party He had everybody coming through If you was an artist you had to go fuck with it I can't remember what year it was But it was before Dove was Dove I mean before he was Dove And I go in the club I went deep He went deep We're trying to get through the crowd We're trying to fuck with DJ Holiday Because that's what he wanted the artist So we off in the crowd Just in the club We don't even realize who each other is Yeah I pulled out a blunt Or Dove pulled out a blunt And that's what caught our attention And then we saw each other Right then he knew who I was I knew who he was I was paying attention to underground He was still covered up From that moment We met on the blunt We were chopping up the whole town We both came one deep He was coming from Memphis I was coming from Dallas But we both in the club one deep And we just chilling Kind of by the DJ booth Observing everything And we just talking Changing numbers He coming to Dallas We ended up doing music It was a natural link I have a link with the artist Because we was just there He was coming as an artist from Memphis To get on in Atlanta And I was coming from Dallas We was there by ourselves We didn't have our teams with us We met genuinely like that And then we locked in When you hear of Shawty Lowell Which you mentioned earlier Dove, these guys These ones that pass on You hear that Dove died Or you hear that Shawty Lowell Pretty much was in a car wreck Man, that have to have An effect on you somewhere Because you have a real relationship For us knowing these guys A lot of people get on and post-RIP And all that stuff And then it's just a momentarily thing But when you really have a connection With these people It have to hit you a little different Even to these days Oh, three? That was definitely my dog It's just I'm glad that I met these people And I'm glad we did music Because one thing about music My favorite thing is that shit live on forever We can go get in the car right now And turn on Dove, Nipsey Shawty Lowell And I mean When we really think about it That's a real treasure to have I look at it from a standpoint Who I also know That they did What they were supposed to do And instead of being Sad about it And I rather celebrate it More and more so But yeah, I was definitely fucked up Every one of them Nipsey, Dove, Shawty Lowell Yeah, I definitely And I still have my moments sometimes Especially when I hear the music And just think about some of the experiences Together, you know what I'm saying But you know, they long live They live forever, you know what I'm saying At the end of the day I'm glad that I got to lock in with them You know what I'm saying And I'm always gonna do whatever I can do To keep their legacy alive And whatever little ways I can The people gonna do it anyway They did enough work to where the people Gonna do it for them anyway You know what I'm saying They all did some special work So So You have sisters? Yeah, I'm the youngest of 11 kids I got a lot of sisters You got a big family I can imagine I thought you might be the only child I'm the youngest child But uh I caught a big ass family So I was saying that and because of the generation That we're in right now You saw what happened to DC Youngfly's Jack Hill, Rest Hill, Peace Jack Hill And you know, not even just that Because whenever that happened It reminded me of Kanye's mom And you know, as a generation that we're in right now It's all about superficial It's all about your body For females and stuff and then like I've always heard like my husband would tell me You know, don't do that Don't do that, I like natural Men don't always want that They always say women who do that They're doing that for themselves But they're really doing it for themselves How do you feel? I can just speak from experience Like the majority of the women I've always dealt with been natural You know what I'm saying? I don't got nothing Against women, you know I found some women that have done body work to be attractive But it's definitely The real gonna always win Like it's different when you touching something real Versus the other thing Like it's just different I can attest to that Nah, it's just I think That became the culture And I think that was something that's been detrimental To the culture People thinking that they have to look a certain way To appease whatever they're trying to appease And What's even messed up is I know a lot of women That 1,000% You know how some people say you look good, natural Without this and they're doing it To compliment them, they say But nah, it's a lot of women that really look good, natural I know I dated a girl one time I went with a girl that looked way better natural And I wasn't even attracted to her when she would put makeup on You know what I'm saying? And these girls I dated They look attractive either way But it's some girls that The whole thing, when you do that It makes you less attractive Because you so natural, you so fine Natural, you look so good natural And that's when I started dating women Like that and seeing that That's when I knew that the culture was really fucked up Because she really can't even see She really don't believe that When I would say that and tell her that, she didn't even believe it She genuinely didn't believe it There's a lot of mental It goes right back to mental health How you value yourself and stuff like that And it has a lot to do with just like We talk about music And I really feel like music Affects our young kids Because what they listen to, a lot of times they Emulate So it's just the same thing with That with this beauty thing It started with the TV You see a lot of these actors and actresses Doing surgery To look younger because The younger kids are taking away their roles And they're not getting enough You know what I mean? The toughest thing for me With that situation is the fact Of that she leave behind three kids Exactly, DC Young Fly up to raise them kids On his own and he was Having a relationship where He got to be going through some serious And I just could only imagine Losing you and having our kids And having our family and trying to Feel those gaps That's going to be an uphill battle Anywhere you look at it I thought long and hard about it I felt bad for him, I prayed for him In his family I want to send him out Of good energy in the world That's a real tough situation To have three kids That's real tough That's devastating At the end of the day Hopefully he got a village of people around him Which I know he do because that's what he's going to need People around him to really Feel those voice and he's going to need some time That's devastating When I saw that I was fucked up about that, it ain't going to lie The part that I want to say maybe Comforted me a little bit about the situation Because I saw a post where Carlos Miller Posted and said that You know, DC Young Fly believes in God And he always motivates people And he always talking about God a lot And I don't know him But the fact that he knows God I was happy about that part Because that will help put him through Gotta have something to comfort you You know what I mean? Thank you man and on that note Did you get everything he was looking for? Say man, what do you want You got it, I respect Most like When it's all said and done What do D'Roll want people to think of When they think of D'Roll music? Man, you know I definitely want The music to lead the way for sure I want everything that As I'm growing as an artist And I'm creating the music I'm going to express more I'm going to get people more through the music So whatever I want people to grab everything out of that You know what I'm saying When I think about it, that's what I am First and foremost, I'm an artist And that's what I love being I'm other things for sure I'm a whole lot of other things But I think expressing it I'll never be able to express it better than Doing it through the music So I really just want people to appreciate that And value that because I put a lot of time in that But I also want people to know You know what I'm saying That Come from a I want to say a strong will family And I came To do great things for My family, the world I just want the music to lead the way I want people to enjoy the music Because that's what I do it for I do this for real And that's really it Man, star baby man Make sure you guys be on the lookout for it It's coming your way man It's summer man We feel to get to it man We at the beach, I'm taking my shirt off y'all But not be out there Star baby Thank you so much Darrow man Hey man, we love you As always, it's been another great segment Of boss talk 101 What a boss is talk