 Right T. All right. Hello everybody. We're back again With two of my favorite human beings in the whole entire world And I know I've said this before but both Liz and Katherine are like family for me This has been one of the greatest greatest side effects of the Great Awakening is finding people that you feel like you've known your whole life But you literally just met because of the shenanigans and the shit show we're all living through right now But I'm so excited today. First of all, I want to say a very happy belated birthday to Liz She had on March 28th, right? She had her 28th birthday. Oh, she's got her baby boy there so happy happy happy birthday Liz and You are you you you are Such an incredible human being and I'm so happy to call you my friend So happy birthday to you and today we're gonna be talking about something that Liz is really good at doing And this is the power of words and the energetic response of words And I say that because both Katherine and I have on Liz's shirts She does too And as you guys know, I pretty much live in Liz's shirts and as we've said before Yep, there we go. As we said before her I mean so powerful your designs have so many incredible messages and the one thing I've said this before I'll say it again The one thing I love about Liz's merchandise now We see a lot of merchandise regarding this battle that we're in but it's very political, right? It'll be very political Blue or blue or red but with Liz you you kind of leveled it up and you're like no, no It's not about blue or red. It's about the spiritual awakening that we're all going through right now and your shirts Talk about that. So therefore it's not polarizing. It's like these are concepts and words and powerful words That we all need to really think about and meditate on and that's the beauty of your your your shop Now Liz, you're in a beautiful state of Tennessee that is talk about nature Catherine, have you ever been to Tennessee? No, I haven't been my mom's been to Tennessee to see the horses and things so I haven't been to Tennessee yet. So Tennessee, Kentucky if you drive It's so yeah, it is it is breathtakingly gorgeous The nature that exists and that's what's so interesting like they they tell us all these things about like the human population And I'll be careful about what I say and how many of us there are but if you drive through the United States There's so much land. There's so beautiful And that is it's a question What what's really Available Yeah, people also make some of the roads over here because they're still winding like they say that they basically just follow the cow paths and made roads When you haven't seen anything until you look at the English country roads Yeah, I mean our roads where we live and everything you can just get one car down It wouldn't be a big American car a normal sized car And then then you get mad people like me leading three horses along with it and everything and blocking the way so Yeah, we Brits are very much used to the windy country lanes very very much. So so Down here. Yeah We can step behind tractors a lot Sal if you get stuck in as well down you'll be stuck behind this tractor See a lot of cars like Around this tractor so Yeah, yeah tractors and school buses tractors and school buses for sure for sure But uh, anyway, but it looks beautiful up there in Tennessee, Liz We had a crazy storm last night here in Georgia, but look at that beautiful blue sky In that green grass. Yeah, it's perfect today. It was it was like that yesterday over here They were you know, threatening for storms and nothing really happened and then today. It's beautiful Yeah, got an amazing pink tree back there I don't know if you could see it, but It's gorgeous. That's the one thing Yeah, it's so beautiful, isn't it when you get out into the country and and look at all these The sky is so blue the grass is so green Um, yeah, I don't know if you see there's a bunch of uh violet in our yard I made some tea out of it the other day super good. Oh, wow Look at you. Look at you being all crafty Using the natural resources Yeah, it's really good. Exactly So much growing in my garden that we use, you know Just about everything for the animals and the horses So we've got a pledge in our garden that Anything that we've put in since we've been living here has got a use that you can use not just for ornamental value And we really do do that But it gets a few years when you get people come round and say what are you growing all those nettles for? Yeah, my sister does the same she picks stinging nettles over there And you know, apparently it's good for allergies and all that kind of stuff So much like a little tincture out of it Yeah more vitamin c and stinging nettles and virtually anything else it's very high in iron vitamin c all sorts of vitamins and minerals So good for you. Yeah They told us it's all beans and it's not Well, isn't it some parts of the united states? I don't know how it is in the united kingdom with your you at your yard with your your property You can't actually you can grow some things But they're they actually the government steps in and kind of monitors sometimes what you're actually which is crazy I always I always like applaud florida because florida has become the mvp of the world really of the world And I know in florida they they take up Land ownership so seriously like if you want to plot a land if you want to go mow your lawn butt-ass naked And let your your bits just hang and swing in the wind No, because you're on your property. Yeah, so even You said florida's the wall the mvp the most valuable player Yeah Yeah, florida. We dispute it either. We think it's hysterical elsewhere in the world that other americans always think it's somewhere in america So we can have a giggle about that. Well, it's that with the whole like, um I mean I laughed because florida was the state in america that everyone made fun of like for a long time Because disantis has basically been like We're gonna follow the constitution The the cold the the sickness is it's gone. We're done You know, they just they're very much into following and that's why that's why I laugh because before this we used to make fun of florida Like there's a joke where you can type in your your date of birth and put florida man and see what crazy Charges someone would charge within florida on your date of birth But but literally like at this point that's why I laugh and say it's the mvp because No one ever thought florida and now everyone's trying to move to florida because it's funny But it's don't you find it funny ladies I know we're digressing a bit, but don't you find it funny that even with all we've gone through over the last two years That people are all moving to places like florida Because you've got someone like disantis in at the moment But we all know that could change at the drop of the hat and then what are we going to do and move again And i'm really hoping that we're getting to the stage that rather than us having to move to Gain our sovereignty back well gain our sovereignty back where we are now Yeah, well then it's interesting too people keep saying because I know this happened to texas as well A lot of people from california moved to texas and people the people that are From these states are like that's great. You can move here, but don't bring your bad ideas to our state Yeah, you voted that way here in tennessee Yeah Over and over and over again you voted this way and that's why your state fell apart Don't bring those bad ideas here if you're going to come here, right? You can't do to our state what you did to your state. So that's the big that's the big concern And I know here in atlanta like we uh We've gotten a lot of people moving down from new york down here as well because georgia obviously In a lot of ways is like florida not not as free but but people are coming down here and um I mean my sister and her husband sold their house about a year ago And they sold their house. They had it needed a lot of work But the property wasn't so demand They sold it for like over a hundred thousand asking price because people were desperately moving down here and trying to find Homes because they're trying to get out of new york Which was lucky for my sister But for people that live in georgia who don't make the same salary as someone in new york city It gets a little bit hard for the residents to then buy houses. It's it's kind of crazy What's what's happening and what's uh how it's gonna like Shake itself out, you know, um, and that's interesting Move in the uk with you know people moving out of london and moving into the countryside all over So the house prices have absolutely shot up there because people have decided they just don't want to be living in big cities anymore Um, you know too much control of them was people who are living in the middle of the countryside Like I am they can't control you because we've got no police anyway So, you know, you also everyone's so spread out in the middle of nowhere You can control people when they're all lumped together, can't you but when they're all spread out It's much more much much more difficult to do so and we don't have any street lights You can't put cameras anywhere There's no way to monitor you because there's there's none of the infrastructure in place. So It's fantastic. Do you think of monitoring what I saw this morning when I was flipping through a social media And who knows if this is true or not, but if it is true, I'm horrified now here in the united states I'm sure it's this way in any western country as well when you go to the bathroom in like a public restroom Sometimes they have like an automatic flusher Well, you see that the airport a lot and if you look at the toilets, I have automatic flushers. They have this like black Screen-looking thing on the back of it that's supposed to sensor you to see when to flush Well, somebody posted that those are actually cameras How I've always wondered that oh my gosh, I don't know that's true or not But how horrifying like who's the sicko that's watching that that's the last thing I Seriously But but speaking of care, I saw this when you mentioned that Catherine I was like, oh my god, I just saw something about this that people are going wait a minute What are these sensors and Is that a like is that a camera? Like are they watching us go to the bathroom? Are they watch? I mean, yeah, it's a bad angle because for women. You're just seeing a rump sit down For men. It's just you know, you don't have to look through the cameras In the bathroom to see the men you just go to florida and see the men just Swing the rules swing and richards low and rowing their lawns. You know their lawns, you know, so So yes, but yeah, I do I have noticed that because I know like when I was coming out of university most people from my class even Had to go to a city to find work They kind of made it that way where people had to go into cities to actually start their career There were a lot of like smaller towns that could not Give a life to people because of the jobs they had picked Now it was interesting Catherine because I've noticed that too with this whole situation that happened globally We'll just call this shenanigans that happened globally A lot of people are trying to get out of cities now because I think people did notice You know, it's one thing like here in in atlanta. I live right smack dab in the middle of the city And I'm sure I know it's the same way in london as well. It's the same way in new york You're living on top of each other. You're living on top of each other But when you actually have land we have property out out in the country that's yours Then you have something worth fighting for You know whereas in a city, it's like I always cracked me up when people would buy like condominiums here in atlanta like on a sky rise They're literally buying it was weird to me because they'd be like buying a piece of air basically because it's not on a Like you're buying a piece of like air in the sky Like it's it's it's on the same lot as like a hundred other people like this is weird to me But when you're in a country and you have your land and you have your house It's yours and so that that again gives you something worth fighting for And I think people are starting to realize the importance of having their own space and having got God gave us land for a reason, you know and having their own property and their own Sovereignty it's sovereignty to have that Yeah, I mean One of the selling points for this house was I mean it's only like half an acre, but that's a lot for this area And I mean like you were saying so many people from big cities are moving here that our house value has gone up over Like two to three hundred thousand dollars in three years Like insanity and then they're building places like that that are right on top of each other across the street Like I'm like oh my goodness. You're ruining this You're ruining the country for us. Like, you know, we love having this big space That we can just do whatever we want in because exactly what you said. It's like freedom of sorts I'm not to have an even bigger spot, but you know um Yeah, it's it's definitely freeing when you've got actual land that I can pick the flowers And eat them if I want to I can grill my own food, you know, I can let my child run around their foot And do what he wants, you know, no one's watching us Yeah Well, it's like even here in a city, I mean, I don't have kids but I have a dog Robbie has to be on a leash He has to be like he can't just run around unless we take him to the dog park He can't just run around. He has to be like controlled But yet when I'm like at my parents house or at some property We can let him off and just let him roam and be free and how happy he is just to be Just to be free and I think it's the same with children. Tell me when I was a little kid We I don't know if our parents knew where we were in the afternoons You know, we just roamed around the neighborhood Hmm So talk I heard you on your channel is um talking through your tree design Of your curse now for me one of the things I love and I think Bryce and I've spoken about this before is When you're wearing something that you really resonate because obviously your words have energy and when you're wearing it like I've got my Born for a time like this sweatshirt on which I absolutely love But it sort of reinforces that message into you. Is that part of the reason why you decided to put some of these things on clothing? Yeah, for sure. I mean, I feel like it's you know It's one thing to just wear something that you know, you like you think is cute You think looks good on you But it's another to have something that deeply resonates with you and has a deeper meaning um, and it's a way to Essentially express myself and my thoughts and my beliefs without being so overbearing and blunt about it Um, because a lot of my shirts almost really all of them except for maybe this one. That's Charlie Ward ones Um, they are very like non-political. They're very, um, you know open to interpretation And I wanted to create something that you know, someone could resonate with that resonate in their own way and not just say like You know, like I said before I could have easily kind of so easily. Um, just put mr. T shirts out there But I did it. Um, I wanted to express my truth and help others do the same um, so a kind of the A lot of the reasoning behind a lot of the designs that I have like being able to say something without really 100% saying it because it can be open to interpretation Yeah, well even your it's all a pantomime shirt. Um, I was we were talking about sticks on aquarius rising africa the other day at sticks as in uh, the veil between the um mythology between The spiritual world in our world they they called it sticks It was a river that divided and it spelled the same way as the band sticks, right? And it reminded me of their song the grand illusion and I actually went listen to it again this morning to listen to their words And they're saying just like it's all a pantomime like this is all a grand illusion. So even that shirt It's it I know that charlie's referring to what's happening in our world right now But really the deeper you go on this rabbit hole you realize that everything is all a pantomime Everything's a grand illusion everything is is and that's your shirt here. I'm constantly are immensely creating my reality You know, we are but holograms of what we need to learn and um Something very strange happened to me once when I was uh, this is a few years ago. I was driving I was more than a few years ago. I was going through like heartache And it was and I was and I was really in the just the depths of of that sorrow and that grief of um, the heartbreak And I was driving and of course this was the heat obviously it's for 15 years I've been in this practice every day of trying to like understand my own Soul versus the nature of the soul and I was and all of a sudden I have this like almost out of body experience Where I realized that none of this was really real anyway It was all a projection of what I needed to learn and I was sitting in my car I got like giggly about it. I was like wow Like I don't need to be in this heart. This is also my own Then I quickly came back down to being in heartache again But it's like when we when we think about those those moments of Clarity about who we are a spiritual beings in a human experience We need to have these human experiences Of course Catherine I have talked about this, but it is this pantomime. It is this grand illusion It is this this place for us to To note to to create something to the notes and then come back and know ourselves. Does that make sense? For sure. Yeah, I um There's so many times when like like you said like there's been situations that have been really painful that I just kind of like step outside myself and I'm like What does this even matter like the grand scheme of things like, you know, this is like a mere spec in my journey and then You know the universe You know, I need to learn from it. Whatever I need to learn from it and move on like continue on, you know um, I mean, you know in a sad very You know weird way. It was like that was how it was when I had um a miscarriage I was like devastated obviously, but at the same time I ended up coming out of it so much more Powerful and it kind of like became the slingshot for me to like propel myself into this place of empowerment And I don't have to be sad about this all the time I can be sad in the moment, but I can move so I can move forward I can move past it and I can be stronger for myself and my family and the child I do have so it's kind of Exactly what you're talking about, you know Pain has a funny way of being very powerful and launching you into something even greater. I think Yeah, it's the more your heart breaks the more the light can come in Yeah Or the uh the crusty I think of it as like uh, you know There's like clay over it the more it breaks the like real true part that actually is beating Um can come through, you know, that's alive can come through So interesting I've said this story before because in my Lenny edge of yoga the practice is is really painful. It's it's an extreme physical exercise It's not fun to put your legs behind your head It's not fun to catch wrinkles in the back then it creates a physical sensation you have to work through And david gree one of my original teachers asked grugey wants Grugey is is the pain in this practice necessary and grugey said yes Because pain is real pain brings you to a point of of honesty Of vulnerability, you know, it brings you to a point of of um of humility as well And I think uh wisdom is gained from pain. It's like Your empathy when you when you if we take something like a broken heart, which all of us go through as humans It gives you an understanding and a depth an in-depth look at what that is And so when somebody else is experiencing it's like that wisdom grows deeper of understanding what it truly means to be human What it truly means to experience and I think a lot of times um one of my pet peeves recently is People who are new to the spiritual path Think that it's just leapfrogging into bliss But most of that spiritual path is actually Being able to process Pain Whether that's abandonment whether that's shame whether that's guilt whatever that is um in order to use that then to allow yourself to grow more depth of understanding yourself And um and i know katharine we were talking about this earlier and i've talked about this with stephanie I think a lot of people too are really confusing Spirituality with things like divination Divination is not spirituality. It's just a form of communication It's just like picking up your cell phone and texting like me texting captain. That's not spirituality That's just communication spirituality true spirituality is coming into the humanness of you Using your human experience for what it's meant to be which is that that lesson Of you to learn and grow your soul And it's and it's not has nothing to do with anybody else There's nothing to do with any other spirits. It has nothing to do with any other human being. It's about you and your own growth and your own journey Yeah, I feel like it's like kind of just a you know, it's just coming back to yourself You know and and accepting yourself fully In every moment because there's so many times when we don't There's so many You've got a dinosaur there's so many times when uh, you know I mean a lot of my journey I feel like it's just been like full acceptance of myself. Um, and I I didn't think that that was like the plumb line point, but it just kind of seems like that's all like That is a reoccurring theme in my spiritual growth Yeah, I think it's such a good pointless because you know, we talk about through all this is at the end of the day All we can really Influences ourselves and how we react and how we contribute and how what energetically we add to this world That we're living in at the moment and yes, of course You know with with work with community whatever you can contribute to others But the level that you can contribute to other people Is very much at the level that you've accepted yourself So for example, we know what it's like. I was having a conversation with someone yesterday, which was hysterical And it's like when someone gives you an apology, but it's a but you say they apologize and then it's a but And it's like is that really an apology and That transforms I think into so many areas of life if if you're Really giving in a community sense or really listening to someone else it has to be Leaving the buts behind And just being there and accepting it and not just always trying to get your own point across It it's a funny old world and It does make me question sometimes how much time Myself and other people and all the sort of conversations we have we we talk about all these deep meaningful things Which is brilliant and personally I love it But equally you just want to get out in the garden as well. It's about balance, isn't it? There's balancing doing the being And the thinking the headspace side of things and that's always quite a journey. I think for lots of people Yeah, yeah, I honestly I get to the point where I'm like, I don't want to listen to anything else anymore I just want to be for a little bit like that's kind of how it's been the past two weeks for me I've had um I've had my birthday and everything and it's been this very like zen time of like I don't need anything external being input into me right now. I just want to Be singing baby shark I just want to you know, just be here and really experience this time because I love this time of year It's my birthday. It's spring, you know, and I just want to be outside And so I haven't I haven't listened to anybody that I normally listen to I've just kind of Listen to music sometimes that's about it Um, but yeah, it is that ebb and flow We were saying that exact same thing in our previous chat Weren't we advised to saying that we're at a stage and other times There'll be a stage where I might feel I need something else So I listen to lots of different things to see what resonates and I think we're so lucky Aren't we to have the choice of of things at the moment, you know Regardless of what we think about all these different technologies and platforms It doesn't half open up a lot of choice for us all Yeah, well, it's interesting you say that too and this again is another concept coming from the traditional teachings of spirituality and it's like um You see it a lot again with how I perceive this through my experience with dashtanga yoga is like You'll you'll go through phases where the teacher, you know, if you go to like a A contemporary yoga class the adjustments are nice and lovely. They like pet your shoulders rub your back Non-traditional yoga. They're cranking you. It's a little crank. I mean I used to Say when I would be in down dog seat and I'd see my teacher's feet Paddling over to me the theme song of jaws would like don't don't don't don't don't look like coming my head because I didn't know What was about to happen? But what happens is you would go through weeks and weeks and weeks of being like manhandled and cranked and things would be Popping and moving and then all of a sudden the teacher backs off And just lets you practice. Well, what's happening is there's integration And so we do go through these phases of like learning Meditating thinking exploring and then we just become human again And we don't think about it anymore And what's happening is those patterns are starting to integrate throughout our psyche And that's a beautiful thing to recognize because we it's david koan was talking about this Like they need to take a break sometimes that's important to recognize because that's your psyche Your your consciousness saying okay Let's pause here and let's let this filter through You know and that's so important and then just turn on baby shark and dance around, you know, like That's what you do That's literally my life for the past few weeks But that that's exactly like that that just confirms something that I've always said what you just said there Was I always used to say like if I was getting frustrated with learning something or doing something new I would like Sit and like not do it for a few days and let it marinate is what I would say Yeah, it's like I need to like let it marinate in my body And then I can continue and I always would do better the next time I Try to do that thing like a few days later And I never knew that that was a thing Yeah, it's in that for me they call it cocooning It's your cocooning phase It's just lovely and and that's where I think it's so great, you know the instant gratification Society where everything's at your fingertips can have a lot of downsides But also it can allow people on the positive side for me as it can allow People to go through that integration cocooning Um taking all on board when it's right for them because even you know with us as friends, you know We'll all go through different stages of wanting to Um go through that quiet page and we can do that because we can then go back to it at a later date Or come back in and have it reinforced and I even find stuff. I'm wearing And you know, that's why I was so excited with Liz's stuff because What I feel out of it when I get out of something is something completely different every day Depending where I'm at. So sometimes I put on my form for a time like this And I am ready to go out there and do battle You know, it really motivates me into that energetic state and other times like today born for a time like this I was on before I spoke to you two. I was on this gorgeous gorgeous long dog walk with my son who's just come back and and a couple of the dogs and I was just like So grateful to be at this stage in my life where I've got the luxury of um, you know mixing I don't have to go to a nine to five job. I don't have to do this I've I've got to that stage my life where all these new choices have opened up to myself So the same sentiment for me will be completely different each time I put it on and what I find Liz Is when I put on your chosen Things it really makes me step back and think about that. I mean, I'm on I know some people don't like wearing things Are there for me? I'm the complete opposite because it's it if all we're measures Reinforcing for myself and I find it really helpful absolutely Yeah, I am I I I I'm really into fashion and I really just like for the look of things. I really like aesthetically pleasing things Um, so with all of the designs. I didn't want to be screaming at anyone like I wanted it to just be very subtle Um, and I think that's why people, you know have liked them because you know You don't want you know just like I could have easily said something like, you know I don't know like one of the like coin terms that like we're using the truth or community about like, you know Free like free breather free thinker kind of thing. I could have easily said that but I just didn't want to scream at people and um, and even the born for a time like this like I mean it resonates with everybody can we all born for this time like we all are no matter what side of the coin that you're on um, you know A very like liberal person could wear that shirt and think something completely different But I just I felt like it was way more inclusive that way So yeah I'm really glad that you get that out of your shirt Especially when I wear that one It's very individual and I love what you were saying about how you making everything so inclusive because isn't that the world We're all trying to create we're all trying to you know, and it's so important. It's it's actually much easier I think to be divisive than it is to truly inclusive Right. I mean Yeah, I mean I was talking to a friend that is very liberal. Um, but we both are married to Okay, baby shark Um, we're both married to Mozambique and we both have children. We both have a small business So we have plenty of things to relate on And we were both talking how it's pretty lazy to not be able to relate to someone on some level Like to not be able to have a conversation with someone just because they don't Believe exactly what you believe. It's pretty pretty lazy When you know, I was amazed that she even thought that too because you know, she's on a totally different spectrum than me and um But yeah, we were able to have like she came over to the house and we had like a great weekend together and We talked about nothing political nothing going on in the world. We just you know connected as Humans as wives and as mothers and you know, it was great And that's a new phenomenon I know Kevin we've talked about this a lot when I was a kid I'm a good 10 years older than Liz but when I was a kid You it was like normal for for people for friends for married couples To have different opinions on things. It was not something that divided people At that point, I think we were as as humanity We were more interested in our common commonalities and and finding the differences intriguing versus something that completely separated us And so I think that's a new thing where people have gotten into this phase of like you have to believe exactly what I believe Or you just don't exist in my world and I'm telling you at 39 years old I don't think there's one person in my life That agrees with absolutely everything I agree with all through the phases My 39 year old self doesn't agree with my 29 year old self or my 19 year old self And to be that's the ebb and flow right we talked about that that's the ebb and flow a little at all And so it's beautiful. We can see people as just being Human beings like none of us get out of this world alive We're all in this here going through the same thing I so love that youtube because you know I don't want to be in a world where politics is any part of my discussion because I don't believe in politics And I don't believe it's going to be part of moving forward and in the uk I was brought up we used to have a saying that it's if you ever had a dinner party or friends over The two subjects you never discussed were politics and religion And the reason you didn't discuss it was not because you wanted to avoid confrontation Just because it was none of your business and everyone was entitled To have their own opinion and that didn't define them as a person And I just think that was a really really good rule because actually if you do avoid You know at the end of the day those those views will shift as the person shifts and grows and evolved And I like you said Bryson me my 54 year old self is very different to what my 20 year old self would be Am I hey and isn't that the whole point of growing how boring would it be If we didn't evolve like that and wouldn't it be lovely if it doesn't even occur to us to talk to our friends about politics Because that's not a dominant feature in our lives and how the world is controlled I mean that was for most of my life. Even when I would date a boy or meet a man and start dating him I never would think to ask what political party they aligned with ever like that was never even a consideration I just like the guy for the guy, you know what I'm saying so absolutely And I will say too speaking of words and like using the words and I have this shirt on again today guys that I cut myself But this is the I am endlessly creating my own reality from Liz's shock with the two hands and I'll have to tell you guys Um and for the viewers watching so when I've talked about this with shanti before that I have Throughout my life. I've struggled with like body morphic disorder where I'm really hard on myself and how my body looks And lately I have been doing something um New for me where I have been actually looking at myself in the mirror naked and telling myself Look at that. You have a six pack. Look how sexy you are like really changing the way I talk to myself About myself and it kind of matches that t-shirt and it's actually working like I actually feel so much better In my body and I feel more confident So messages these words aren't just to be projected out to other people But they're also a reflection into our own Our own minefield, you know Yeah, that's definitely a thing. I notice the difference in myself when I say stuff like that um It's uh, you know like very positive about myself and you know I I totally agree because I've been on the same journey of like body dysnorphia type of thing I think most women in the south are Yeah, um But you know it is a super powerful thing and then it's funny because I like I'll do it for I'm coming Come on Um, it's funny because I'll do it for you know a few weeks and stuff and then I'll get used to it and I'll stop and I'm like Why am I stopping? You know, it's like you kind of get used to the the new thought pattern and everything and then you know The the challenge is to keep doing it basically Yeah Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely It's such a good message for everyone and and that's what I feel is is it's the The important message is the message to ourselves, isn't it? And I find it really interesting what other people like sometimes I say what does this mean to you and Like we were saying about when you go on when you were doing a book club with your friends or something I think the beauty office is everyone will see something different in it And you know, that does expand your consciousness because you want I mean, I certainly want I want to have other people's point of views because I get bored with my own Listen, I've had some really bad ideas in the past so Through most of my life. I've had some really bad ideas So at this point wisdom is being able to sit back and listen. It's like a ganache You know the the the deity of ganache from the hindu faith He has an elephant head because he has two big ears and one small mouth Yeah, I've heard you I've heard you say this before and I was like bad big big t-shirt I need to do an elephant but Yeah, an elephant with some kind of saying that implies that Yeah, it's um, it's it's it's and one of my one of the most profound things Someone ever said to me or I read somewhere I can't remember how I heard this but it made a huge impact on me was when someone said Most of the time people listen to respond not to understand Yeah And we need to listen to understand Yeah, and I think that you know Almost the whole point of our existence is to learn other people's perspectives. That's why there's so many of us Um, you know, like we all have a completely different perspective. I mean even in You know christianity They talk about the body and Christ like the arm can't do what the leg does and the leg can't do what the eyeball does You know, we all have different parts we're working with and uh I think it's The one of the most wise things that we can do to search out the different perspectives And just listen to people Yeah, for sure One also the different environments we come from I know rom dos wrote about this once that and you see this a lot When people undertake spirituality like all of a sudden you'll see like a white kid from wisconsin Will go to india change their name and adapt to hindu lifestyle and rom dos is like don't do that You can you incarnated into a white boy from wisconsin Because there's something to be learned from that experience And when you ditch it and go and try to take on a new identity You're escaping the experience that you need to learn from and so if we're all trying to be this one particular Way, then how are we going to learn from each other? You know, there's something the white kid from wisconsin can teach the indian in uh, banglada are in us Not bangladesh and uh, mumbai or something or the african in mozen beak They all have different perspectives on life because we're all living a life But with different different experiences that have shaped our perspective on things And my perspective as a white girl from georgia is going to be very different from someone who grew up in muskow So I I have something that I don't even know if I just say, you know That I could teach that person and that person can teach me because of the experiences but that we both Decided to have in these in these incarnations And that's super valuable I think yeah, that's actually something go ahead. No, sorry. Go ahead. Liz I was just gonna say that's something that even at the home group I go to we're talking about this past sunday was You know perfection is fully being yourself perfectly like it's not this Cookie cutter perfection thing like we've been brainwashed to believe it's it's individual for the person What I was going to say is I think also though being kind to yourself that part of that process of the white guy Going to india and living into an lifestyle to me. I think it's just like You know when my children were young they used to put on a superman outfit And change and the way they played very when they had the superman outfit on was very different The way they played when they had the little ballerina dress on yeah, and I think as adults It's really important to let ourselves play with that as well because quite often you will Find out a lot about yourself By mistake so sometimes I mean it's like me with my hair I'm always having different things done and always looking for something that actually suits me But actually what am I learning in the process? I'm learning in the process Just what you were talking about earlier Bryson Liz is the fact that just accept yourself however you are And it doesn't really matter what your hair is like so I All of these things for us It's like you can laugh about it afterwards can't you because you recognize it was a stage of your learning And sometimes I find it quite amusing because I I've been Like when I used to be in my corporate some of my corporate careers when you put that suit on And you stand up at the meeting you sort of adopt a different persona And then you realize that's not you that's just the role you're playing in that time in that place And it's quite funny because you'll think well if only they could see what I'm really like at home Well, yeah, and that's the whole like with the white guy going to india I mean go experience go to the ashrams go But understand that it's when it when you try to adapt to become something You were not born to be is when there's an issue because yes, absolutely like You know I love I mean going to hindu temples is one of my favorite things to do And I I go to them in here in Atlanta because they're so peaceful and they're so quiet And you can just go and sit in silence for a little while and um, but yeah, but yet understanding that I'm not I was not born hindu I have to trace the lessons. I learned being born presbyterian Um being born in jor- or being born in South Carolina growing up in georgia. I have to embrace the experiences But then you can you can go and you can put on the go to the the man deer or go to the the temple and and take a piece of that perspective and bring integrated into who you are as you you know and it's um It's such a beautiful thing like it's kids exactly when they're playing dress up and they're playing Uh, you know, even when you watch kids play together and they're playing pretend Yes, it's um, it's interesting to see how they can morph into a different character all together when they're playing pretend But then when it's over they can go back to being themselves you know It's kind of um me and johnny have decided my husband have decided that You know, there are things about his culture that we love and we want to implement in parenting Levi and there are things from my culture that you know, we want to keep and implant or implement um in teaching levi, but like You know, i'm not i'm not over here trying to be a muslim beacon mother Like yeah, i'm not trying like i know i'm married to one and my child is half but like Doesn't mean that i'm that Well, look at levi levi's only half. He's also half you he's also has that half tennessee White person heritage as well. That's also a beautiful part of him too. You know, I think sometimes what we do is humans We you know, we have that saying the grass is greener on the other side We always need somebody is way cooler than we are But then someone looks at us and think i mean as as americans list I know when I lived in england for a while I had half of the english people think I was super cool because I was an american and hating me because i'm american, but it's like But there's so so much beauty in every culture that you have a piece of that And like and again for someone like levi or any kid I mean, I had a lot of friends growing up who had like one parent from the uk or one parent from germany I had a friend growing up whose mother was from the north of france and i'll tell you a funny story In his house growing up they only spoke english. She never spoke french to them So all throughout his childhood he did not grow up speaking french And then the summer between our ninth and tenth grader freshman and sophomore year of high school His mother shipped him off to um, I think they were britney or normity one of the northern areas of france Shipped him off to her parents house where they didn't speak any english And he spent the whole summer having to survive with his family and he came back after that three months Speak in fluent french You know and so but you but he had been raised because they were living in georgia They they predominantly raised him and his siblings in a southern In predominantly english household You know and so it's and that's the beautiful thing about everybody is like even if you think you you have this mundane life No, you don't And you picked to be there you picked to to incarnate into that white guy from wisconsin Or that indian kid from mumbai or that kid from mosin that's you you arranged that for yourself to have some sort of experience Through that incarnation through that through that pantomime To circle back through that pantomime No circle back girls though, we ain't no sir That's uh, katherina. I don't know if you see a good sake. We'll say we'll circle back to that a lot And so there was yeah, I yeah, I love it. Yeah, I'm just mesmerized by watching I'm going on the wall with liz at the moment So if I look like I'm not concentrated, I am It's really interesting it it looks, you know, very familiar. I love trees. I'm obsessed with trees I love this tree And it's such time of renew this and it's spring It's just everything's really high for gain in renewing and coming out bigger and stronger and better and Yeah, it's gorgeous. Well, we love your t-shirts liz. We really do we love the fact that you're doing it I love the fact that you're able to combine doing that Whilst being, you know, uh, young mum to a young toddler as well I think that's just absolutely gorgeous that you're able to combine the two as well Yeah, I appreciate that. I'm I'm trying because you know I Before I I say I had my tower moment I was very much kind of a victim to being a mom and like didn't feel like I could do Like anything and I was just like this is dumb Like I I can do whatever I want to do like, you know, I'll figure it out and might take a little extra energy But you know, I think it's important also for Levi to You know see his parents like, you know chasing after their dreams and doing what they You know love to do and you know, hopefully that'll You know create something in him to go after like he wants, you know, and not just accept the everyday norm Normal life that they tell us that we need to have like the american dream of nine to five and all that crap I uh, I just kind of hope to Inspire him and my future children to do the same as much as I can and others, you know because I've I've seen so many moms just kind of Feel really powerless and not feel like they can do anything and I'm like you can do whatever you want to do You just have to Have a you know, you use a little extra energy Extra energy that you might not have you just got to find it from somewhere Didn't eat it's there, you know So I really appreciate that and I really appreciate you both. You've been such a amazing support of my small business I'm not sure that it would have taken off as well as it has I didn't have the support from you two and you know the other truthers and whatnot. So I'm really really appreciative Hey, it's easy to support your business when you have such great stuff. So I mean, I'm serious I literally people know I wear your shirts pretty much every day Me too I mean, I love them so So and they're good quality. It's it they're really quality shirts and um And that's the world we're walking into right like Yeah, we're walking we're all walking to their home like we're all each other's family We're all each other's friends. We're all holding hands. It's pulling each other up and um It's interesting as you were talking about being a mom and I'm not a mom, but I was thinking god, I would love Love to listen to a round table of a bunch of women in this movement like you and Catherine Who are moms and also trailblazers and to have to listen to that conversation about Kind of breaking the stereotype what true like what true feminism is not the not the feminism they've given us But what what that truly means? So I mean, if that's something y'all would be interested in doing later. I would love to watch that because I don't have a kid I just haven't I'm like a little boy. I have a four leg I love seeing you know, what Liz is doing, you know, I I I didn't have the technology when I and my children were Levi's name But you know the beauty is is this is what you know, I get so excited about is We can talk about all the negative things about these things but let's focus on the positive and the choices it gives us all And yes, we can all have our emf protection and things like that But you know equally that opens up a whole new world of choices And I for one am really really grateful for that. I'm really grateful that I'm sitting here We can have a conversation with Liz and Liz can still be doing fun stuff with Levi whilst you're doing it I just think it's just absolutely brilliant You know It's just wonderful and he's he'll be taking it what mum's talking about and everything and that's really really important So thank you so much today. I think we should let you go off and play being sharp Yeah He finally stopped singing it Got flowers in his hands He's got flowers in his hands now that they're occupying him Oh We'll get on the kiss for us You want to say bye Levi? He's gonna be a little heartbreaker one day I know I'm mentally prepared But he'll be good. I think that he's a good mama. He'll be really sweet to women. So Yeah, yeah, well, yeah, his dad is very Johnny loves to tell me that you know, he was chased by girls all of his life and he was just kind of like whatever until I came around That's what I call confidence I'm proud that he's actually the same cute reaction when I look at Ravi as well. So you know I I have a special spot for him because he's so cute. Yes Thank you so much ladies. Go and enjoy the sunshine. It is actually sunny here in the uk, but it's really cold So listen listen people have done long sleeves. Um t-shirts for us in the colder parts of the world. Thank you, Liz. Yeah Bye guys