 Today, I was grilled with hard questions by one of you during my own office hour, number two. Questions like, do we pay terminated channel earnings? Why or why not? The Zed Rhino is a big one, and then some other partners talked about how when their channels were terminated, for reasons that YouTube would still pay you, that you wouldn't pay their partners. Hear my reply later in this video. Then... Okay, that's actually a very good answer. I had no idea that companies were actually messaging you and being like, you know, we want the money that you received that. I didn't know that, so then there we go. Why does freedom partner with everyone was another hard question? I guess the perception from me was the fact that you were just trying to make every penny that could possibly come in. Do we value our business or our reputation more was another one? Would you say that you were more worried about the business side and the fact that using it as leverage and a negotiating tool than you were about the reputation of freedom? Do you also want to talk with me privately or publicly like this? Then fill out the Google form behind me. The link is down there in the description below. I use this to contact people for George office hours. We can talk about anything you like, but to give you some ideas, I wrote a letter from the CEO of freedom and right now is being viewed by an anonymous bat. This gives you all the things freedom does that you may not be aware of with links to each product. And I encourage you to read it. The link is down there in the description below. Now let's talk to Absterbone where he grills me with his questions. Roll it! Let's try calling Absterbone. Hello, George! Oh, wow, this is, um, this is surreal. I'm speaking to George Venous. You two can play at the Green Screen game here. I think I'm going to walk off the Elgato Green Screen. When I saw the video, I was like, there's no way. Like, I totally ended up 132 views and I filled up the form as fast as I could. The first question for me is, is it okay to publish this video on The George Show? Or do you want to keep this a private conversation? You may publish it. That would be, that would be awesome. I actually have some questions. Now I will give you some heads up. They're not like easy ball questions. I went and did a little bit of research and I found out that there were other channels that were terminated and, you know, I know you're not allowed to, you know, discuss specific cases, but bring it some up like the Zed Rhino is a big one. And then some other partners talked about how when their channels were terminated for reasons that YouTube would still pay you, that you wouldn't pay their partners. If there was a question of who has the rights, we would withhold the payments so that we could pay their correct rights holder. We even got letters earlier on in Freedom from big companies that were demanding payment basically for content that they felt was theirs, that we were monetizing through channels in our affiliate CMS. Okay, that's actually a very good answer. I had no idea that companies were actually messaging you and being like, you know, we want the money that you received that. I didn't know that, so there we go. I guess the perception from me was the fact that you were just trying to make every penny that could possibly come in. So how come back then when there were no requirements set forth by YouTube, did you decide to basically take anyone who applied and let them into freedom? The spirit of freedom, the culture I wanted to create was a network that doesn't discriminate, that welcomes everybody, and your point of, well, doesn't that mean everybody gets less service? No, because our goal was always to staff up appropriately so that everyone still has a fast response time. And the benefits are we can get better value for licensing. We can also encourage more people to collaborate. You have a larger pool of partners that you could connect with. We wanted people to introduce themselves on the forums, and again, there's a larger number of people, meaning there's more potential matches where you could find new friends, connect with strangers. Because what we found is people in different networks are less likely to work with each other. There seemed to be this barrier like, I'm with machinima, I'm with freedom, I'm with BBTV, and everyone kind of stuck to their own network. So we were hoping that, well, first of all, we didn't like that, and we would have preferred everyone just treated themselves as, well, we're all YouTubers, like, who cares that if I'm in machinima or I'm with freedom? But there seems to, there is a psychology around like, this is my clan, this is my brotherhood, and I support my people. We wanted this to be the largest group of people that hopefully gave you more chances to meet new friends and collaborate. Would you say that you were more worried about the business side and the fact that using it as leverage and a negotiating tool than you were about the reputation of freedom? What was I thinking when I was promoting this fact? Of course, I was thinking more members means more chances for collaboration, more chances for deals with other companies, helps everyone grow faster together. You can't ever please everybody. You have to always think about the net positive, and I thought the net positive was more channels. Okay. That's a great answer. I mean, personally, like my view of you was always is that I always felt in your videos, even back from like 2012, because that's like when I said, I'm 17 now, so to think that like, it's just five years in a week. Yeah, you were 12. Wow. That was, yeah. What time? I shouldn't even have a YouTube channel. But no, like, I guess my always my perception of you was is that I knew that you were a smart businessman and I could tell in your videos that you were genuinely invested, but I think that people felt that you were so like, I know that like people like I talked to felt that like you were just so blinded by the sheer amount of dollars that would come in with all of these people and everything and you were trying to attract like the largest common denominator that it was almost like a deception thing. But at the same time, we all felt that you were genuinely enthusiastic about the network like you just tell in the videos. I mean, like, you know, you just come off like you're just like super passionate about freedom. So I guess like, you know, the whole largest common denominator thing was really the only thing that was kind of skewing it, but obviously given your explanation, the fact that you use it as a negotiating tool obviously makes it sound a lot better. So I appreciate that. My next question is before you get to the next question, one other point on that with the money aspect is for us to do great things, we do need money to invest in people and projects. And a lot of the profits we made are now going into things like a game studio team that can make custom games for creators a music factory, a composing team, a team of composers who can make custom music for creators. None of that would have been possible if we were not a profitable company. The problem now, of course, isn't that we offer more services. The problem is because YouTube had to unlink all of the channels that they did from all MCNs, not just ours, we're actually a lot less profitable than we were before. So we're now back in the stage of cutting back, finding ways to save money as we ramp up new revenue streams. So to that point that you were saying, oh, George is collecting all this money, it actually, none of it came to me. Like I still to this day, you know, don't collect a salary. I haven't for over a year. I did before because I did need money, but I'm at a stage where I'd rather put the money that I could be getting back into the company to help reinvest in services that help people grow. Because I believe in my heart, as you said, very genuinely that it's the people in freedom that will make us successful. I want to make sure everyone has the best chance of success by redirecting as much money into tools and services that can help you grow. And if we ever get to a stage where we're like the biggest MCN, not just by channel account, but by many other things, views, subscribers, revenue, and we have, you know, a huge investment or we do an IPO, then I will take my fair share. But until then, my goal is to take as little as I can and make sure everything gets reinvested into the company. Next question is that so when other channels, I know Machinima, you know, I know their reputation was terrible back then, but one of the things that Machinima did really well in my opinion is they created some really awesome first party content gaming weekly, things like that. And they had these two really great hosts and I would watch just because he was like genuinely entertaining. Now that has now dissolved and it is no longer there. But freedom back then and now I mean, I know back then you had those two bald guys who reviewed videos. Then you had the Baldy Brothers. The Baldy Brothers. Yes. And then you had that girl that redhead who would do things. That was impulse impulse impulse impulse and her name was Tiffany. It's like throwback city right now. Yeah. And now you have KYC nullified. So I think so I guess my question is that a lot of these shows, especially KYC is literally verbatim rereading YouTube policies. Now I have to admit I find KYC slightly. It's edited very well. KYC is edited very well, very professional, but to somebody like me, this is information that I already know and I feel like that that's information to a lot of other people. And I feel like that a lot of people aren't super honest when they give feedback because you always ask for like feedback down in the comments below. And I feel like that a lot of people when they write comments, they don't want to be critical because they're hoping that they'll be noticed by you get an extra view and an extra comment stuff like that. So rather than spending money and resources on people who will just reread comments because the hosts are great. I just think that because if you look at your channel like the Freedom MCN Hub as a whole and you look at the view count to sub count and granted I'll give you a pass because a lot of people subscribe just in the network and don't really care for the content. But I mean you could look at Machinima and although they had way more they have way more subscribers than freedom when they did do those shows they were pulling in views just from people just genuinely interested in gaming. So I guess my question is that instead of having it focused so inward on freedom why not branch out into something broader like gaming news or something more interesting as that would not only bring in more eyeballs and more money for freedom but potentially new members. So why did you decide to do that? It's a matter of people. We would love to do shows about gaming news about the latest YouTube tips any kind of subject that as you just said would get new eyeballs new audiences. It's about the people. Impulse ended because the team just didn't want to continue doing it and it became very expensive. You know other shows that we had in the past like Baldi Brothers ended because we felt people were just losing interest like it was getting less and less viewers and less and less comments. We are trying to listen to the feedback of everybody and improve the shows so that they stay fresh and interesting. So that's a great feedback you gave about don't just read the text for KYC put in additional like your own thoughts your own insights that I don't know because right now for you everything on that show you just said you know so there's no point watching it. Yeah I agree the challenge for us is just finding the people who'd be able to do good quality content for the hub. That's fair. I think another thing that I thought was very you know I kind of question was is that so I understand the angle especially going back to the Baldi Brothers and now you have the channel review. What happened is is that the whole point of the show was to review YouTube channels and to promote members within the freedom community. But I think part of the problem with that is that it got to a point where it was so over saturated where it would just be so many different channels and the feedback that was given on the channels in my opinion was very generic. I mean you would it would be a couple of checklist items do they have thumbnails playlist something in their about section and the only reason people watched those videos was not to find new people to subscribe to it was to see if they got featured. Yeah and I remember it wasn't me who ran an experience but there was another YouTuber called Vaf9 he's like 20,000 subscribers and he made a video that basically went ahead and looked at the results of that and it showed that the sub game was little to not it was it was negligible. So and I mean you look at other channels and I mean although I guess you wouldn't say PewDiePie is a channel reviewer he's a meme reviewer but other channels you know who will occasionally shout somebody out yeah it's more scarce and it's rare but at the same time the effect of that shout out it leaps and bounds beyond so why did you decide that over-saturated or I guess in my opinion over-saturation was a better play than to you know call somebody out here and there. And the answer to that is it was just limited options. We actually just don't have a lot of content to put on Freedom Central so whatever we have we just post and your point of over-saturation and quality I guess the question is would you prefer that or no videos like right now even myself I haven't been producing content and I should be making much more than I currently am is it better to have long periods of no content and once in a while have a video that's more relevant or higher quality than if I just have let's say daily videos like I used to. It's a balance because there's pros for both cases but I just prefer more content even if the quality is lower just because it gives you a habit something to engage in comments like meet other people in the YouTube comments and since I've started making less videos there's actually a lot lower viewership a lot lower comment count. So I do think more people prefer regular content even if it's not as high quality just so that they have a place to interact. It's good I mean I think one of the big polls of freedom is the fact that the face of freedom is also the chief executive officer of freedom and the fact that you are there and you're always engaging and you actually do respond to comments you know you said you read all the comments I know as a and you know don't don't tell you to this but I did end up creating a second channel I linked it in the Google for I have I have 4000 subs so I beat the 4k 1k rule but I exclusively with AdSense that's just my preference but I know as a creator myself that definitely being at the forefront of the audience is a very important thing and I do think that one of the polls of freedom especially when I joined us I thought it was very interesting that the person in charge and the one making all the decisions was also the one creating the content and being there and while it be at a grand screen a headset and a Google Doc it's still you know you don't see the CU of Machinima or you know BDTV or anything like that you know you see George and I think that that was also a big pool and I think that that is awesome and thank you I have to be honest when you I think I said this at the start of the couple when you initially put out that Google form to fill out I honestly thought that it was not like not just with me I don't think you're going to actually end up calling anybody but then when I got a message today I was like all right you know so I think the fact that you are willing to hear from you know people and stuff like that and granted I'm not a freedom partner but I was and I do you know I feel like I have some valid points to bring up and things like that so I definitely think that the level of transparency also something that that was great was the earnings reports is that you actually did disclose those I thought that was really awesome too because you don't see any other MCNs doing that and we still have them at freedom dot tm slash earn same link from day one is is there till today exactly so yeah I definitely think that like the fact that you're always you know there in the center is is also very very cool thing and I think you should definitely keep doing that because it you know reminds people that it's not it's not well it is a company it's a person to I mean it validates what I always believed which is we are a public facing YouTube company it's hypocritical for me as the head of that company not to be making videos and I never understood why other CEOs of other MCNs don't feel the same way like it's you don't eat your own steak like how can you be claiming you help YouTubers grow and you don't make videos yourself even the CEO of YouTube actually started her own YouTube channel she didn't upload too many videos but still she put in the effort and that I respect yeah I think I think the biggest major excuses like time and stuff like that but at the same time to your credit it's like you're going to exactly the same amount of meetings as all these other executives and you edit the videos yourself whereas Susan definitely had somebody else because there's no she could have done it so I think the fact that you are able to find you know half an hour or an hour you know to make a video it's kudos it's kudos and I think it's a lot of people that under appreciate it okay so now that was like all of like the like the questions that I had regarding freedom and I want to thank you for being honest and like actually like to be honest you didn't dodge any of the questions you answered them straight on so like a person on a politician you answered my question I got a good politician. So I really do appreciate that and they were great answers to answers that I didn't think you're going to give and it did explain a lot on just something a little bit more fun because I know that it is I checked I was like what time is there right now in the Philip not in the Philippines and in Dubai I was in Haiti and it is crazy you got up this early I usually start my day early because I just need to yeah just need to get up that's nuts all right so it's something a little bit more light so I was so I was told to ask this question first do you know what freedom Island is so I saw that was the comment you made in the Google form and I have no idea okay this is going to be great so freedom I okay so we have to backtrack a little bit so back back in like 2012 I joined freedom I was making videos stuff like that channel got terminated you stole you stole my seven dollars from me which I forgive you for now and what happens is that you know fast forward a couple years the first video on my new channel was a video it was a freedom exposed video your new typical video where you know I call out a whole bunch of things right and what happens is that fast forward a year I meet a fan who is now my most dedicated fan and his name is Quintus Minimus and he found me through a Mario Cartley live stream and he wasn't your average viewer I mean this guy was invested and I ended up talking to him and you know on my channel there are a bunch of you know memes and inside jokes and one of the things that he got so hung up on was the whole freedom thing and he just he just loved it and so he went on basically a full blown investigation of freedom and I'm talking like every knickknack there is like the no taxes in Dubai and what he did is he made a okay are you familiar with the YouTuber Jack and Jellify I don't know that okay half a million subs he makes object shows and basically it's animated series and so Quintus being a fan of his work decided to make a spinoff show called freedom island now it's channel and it gets thousands of views per video and a people at freedom actually watch it frosted fixes a huge fan I don't think he wanted me to tell you but he does watch it actively and basically the whole premise of the show is that you are the leader of this group of this show and what happens is that contestants compete for the grand prize of a million dollars and so the first season is ended we're on the second season now but the basically the premise of the first season is that the contestants were me and then a bunch of people on my channel and you were the host and at the end what happens is that you ended up scamming us all of the million dollar prize because as an homage to the fact the whole that you took the money you know into Dubai it's like George read all the way with all your money so it was it was a joke there well I'd love to see this how could I know I want to I want to show it to you because it's absolutely hilarious and we've actually all been trying to so on frosted fixes review show he's actually reviewed it and he tries not to laugh because he's like because the way quintess and I see this is that you're going to either find this extremely funny or extremely offensive but after talking to you I feel like that you'll get the humor within it so I'm going to show you the latest episode and this is it and it's titled this is Dubai freedom island deluxe seven so it's up to seven thousand views and you can actually see the pinned comment is from frosted Frick's because he used to be the host of the show but then you actually ended up taking over the entire episodes 21 minutes long I was sent some timestamps to skip to parts that you're going to particularly find amusing we if you start at 523 okay so again just so just so you understand a lot of jokes are inside jokes but a lot of this episode revolves around you and memes that you'll understand but the entire premise of the show is that we're all competing for a prize and there's a leader so if you want to screw up to 523 that's when the fun stuff parts and you can just listen and I will so yeah and you could start it you want 523 lots of Dubai's okay that's well edited sequence thank you for sharing I actually captured it as well for the video I'll play that on the George show can you still hear me yeah yeah I thought you were continuing to watch it no no no I oh should I continue watch it oh yeah no no it gets it gets better we get to really good seat where he visits your house so let me do bye let me continue watching bullet over the ground I wrote it myself who animated this title on the back and not the front he did he did he's really good he did this all in PowerPoint it's crazy well you see amazing I know let's keep watching gets it gets so much better he's gonna visit your house I couldn't find it but then I came across the stack of mysterious green paper that someone just left out in the open oh wow that's a lot of green paper I use that green paper to make a bunch of math books so I can sell everyone my math knowledge this part's boring it gets better trust me the city is massive and George could be anywhere where do we look first what was that for he's in the freedom tower you need your freedom tower videos where is the freedom tower it's right there haha that's cool George's crib George apartments well the circle is Japanese before it is I don't know could you just tell us where George's actual apartment is no no get up way longer crazy kids I'm gonna do your life again this is very good all right guys this is definitely the place I want to go in there there's my wife and kids who are you guys I'm show you can use my wife and these are my four daughters of the end up wait so is George in there yeah but I wouldn't go in there for you he's recording a new video and he goes not like we interrupted but we've traveled all the way around the world just to see you George so we're coming in whether you like it or not we paid you four point five million dollars freedom family that I to partner with freedom so that George you are not allowed to let people in while I'm recording my videos for the George show I promise I'll start paying my taxes my daughters they're nice people please don't do anything to me here for your taxes oh okay carry on then you want to know how you bailed yourself out of jail well since I at the CTO and the founder of the free free see that's quintessy comments in your flight there's comment a lot of money in my office but isn't that money for the creators well you see we are the freedom family and families share things so sure the money for them but we all get to share the money you know George that's called communism but I've been summoned so if you took the money what is the freedom partners know that we haven't been paid I'm sure notice that I haven't been paid well of course didn't bring it up all the time some of you had this conspiracy theory hey it's fair see theory yeah same time that they haven't paid us on time maybe he took all the money and left and that's exactly what I did so I use the family income to bail myself out of prison and then I took the remaining money and ran away to Dubai I have been ever since okay that's great but George we need you back on freedom island freedom island I thought that ended well we're on season 2 now who in their right mind ever great life this season 2 that doesn't matter what matters that a lot of dead people we need to revive them with your one-up technology I don't feel like it though why not why would I ever want to go back to that from the island when I have everything here in Dubai was all right you can stop watching but I just wanted to show you a snippet of it yeah because it's just like this huge thing like it's this huge meme right now and I just want to let you know that you have an entire show about you know and like I said Frosted Fix is a huge fan and a bunch of other people are so I have to because I have to ask cuz I got it to relate acquaintance so what did you think of the show so far it's amazing that one person spent all that effort to create those animations all that footage he collected of Dubai of our kids and he had a lot of voices like people trying to sound like us that's all very impressive I guess the parts I felt were a little excessive is all that stuff about scams like the problem is a lot of people still believe that and I guess if we make fun of it it might also tell people look this is not at all what's happening but having a little more of the truth into the episode would be better like kids that get their PayPal wrong and we don't pay them and they think we are keeping the money when in fact they just didn't give us correct payment information or YouTube terminates the channel we try to get it back they think we're not doing enough so they say we terminated their channels because of freedom that they lost all their work those are the kinds of misunderstandings that I thought would also be good to bring out in humor maybe in the show but that was my only negative is I think it may make it a little too serious by commenting on all that scammy conspiracy theory stuff I would have liked to see a little more of that why people think that way and what the misunderstandings are but I think the best thing would be for me to talk to this guy Quintus giving my feedback directly and basically shake his hand and say well done overall that's an amazing production I never even knew about I mean I was honestly shocked I mean I we thought that Frosted may have sent it to you and that you didn't respond to it but now knowing that you never actually knew about it no but yeah I mean personally like I'm amazed like he made that entire thing in PowerPoint 2016 every animation all it's insane it's insane not even Adobe anime or flat everything's in PowerPoint and the fact that he made it and I mean great he's like a branch off of like my channel in the sense that like because it's all like memes and jokes like within like my community so like I mean from my perspective to have a fan like that as dedicated as he is to make an entire show it's it's it's insane I mean I can't think of another it is absolutely insane and I just well he wanted to share that with you I wanted to share that with you because it is you know it's very funny and it's like jokes that like only like you know like people who don't understand freedom like a tax free environment do buy it's like and the fact that it's able to be you know relate to even more people I just thought was really great but I'll certainly let you know he actually did fill out the Google form because as soon as you put the video I just started spamming him on discord I'm like you gotta you gotta get a contact with George quick you gotta call him and so what happened and he actually lives in California so you'll have a better chance of calling him um but he said he only had a discord so I said just put your discord tag it it doesn't matter I he's got he's got to get hopefully um so okay if I if I send you his discord you could probably add him and speak to him directly but I just wanted to share that with you because on top of it being you know a production I also think it's you know a cool thing that you know little does George know that there's an entire spin-off show of his entire YouTube network yeah it's it's impressive I'm surprised though his channel has so few subscribers I see only 608 is that like a backup channel or is that his primary channel no that's the thing so it's it's actually crazy because well so he actually started his channel just making compilations of stuff that I was doing and then he made freedom island as a joke okay I actually started to pick up steam and so he kept doing it and uh what we've actually found because like I went into his like his analytics and I was like we gotta figure out this because he's getting thousands and thousands of views right but only like 12 subs a day which is good but it's like you would think that you would have more subs so what we found is that with a lot of these object shows what happens is that um especially with uh bdfi which is like the main one if this is a spin-off um is that the view is significantly higher than the sub count right and what we found is is that with the videos that he's being recommended against our videos that would appear on the YouTube kids app and despite jokes in the video being inappropriate to an algorithm seeing the twin towers for half a second they can't pick up on that he doesn't curse in any of his videos all of his jokes are subtle so they probably sneak their way in and if you look at the interaction it doesn't reflect the view count of six thousand views he only gets like a hundred if that likes so that's what we think is going on um he's not a youtube partner and if he was he would be making way more money than I am wow um but and he even told me that he doesn't even want to become a youtube partner he just does it for fun and he's only 15 too so he's he's young and um this is something that he just I mean I think it's insane I think he needs to give himself a lot more props than he does but I mean that's Quintus he's he's humble and he just does it for fun that's that's just who he is yeah that's amazing I mean 15 years old at that age I was not animating so he's ahead of the curve in terms of professional skill development yeah so I mean he told me that everything that he learned himself was strictly just off of experience and I had to get Sony Vegas for him to because he's doing all of this in Windows Movie Maker too and I was just like why what yes it's insane so he was doing all of this in Windows Movie Maker to start out with um I just told him I said what is your discord tag George wants to talk to you he says you're lying um so I'll send that well if he filled out the google form I can find him in there yeah yeah no problem that's awesome that he did and just for reference um so yeah I just wanted to uh freedom island you know so just got got out of the way um but coming back to just uh freedom in general um my initial impression of you before this call was is that you were looking for uh the lowest common denominator right uh I mean to just have as much money as possible and that you would start all of these spin-off projects just for attention grabs but after speaking to you I have to say I mean I feel like that the passion is still there the genuineness is still there and it's just the struggle of the youtube ecosystem with the changes going on and I mean personally in my opinion I think all of this advertiser outrageous all manufacturer I don't think that they care I really don't think that they actually are like oh my cocad ran against you know a video that was racist like they don't care because what they do is they just use it as negotiating pounder like if you're going to put our ads against racist videos then we want a better deal with ads and and now google has to be like oh now we got a cave to this and we got to make these systems up and um you know that uh another thing that I think youtube did the creator insider channel I think that that's awesome that's a great step in the right direction for youtube um but one of the things that they said is is that people were bringing up oh was the demonetization all because of the logan paul controversy um and I uh they said no uh they said they were always going to introduce a quality filter but how do you differentiate there's a difference between quality and then stuff that's okay for everyone so I mean if you're just re-uploading content or just doing meme compilations like yeah that shouldn't be monetized but if you have somebody like idob's who's controversial he does things that are out of the ordinary but he makes original content why not import so I mean I think that it's just constant I agree there's lots of issues with youtube's current policies and I think they're still figuring them out I think they will adapt them and find you know exceptions for content that shouldn't be demonetized but it I don't know how long it'll take it's it's ongoing how often do you actually meet with like youtube like you have a call with me sorry every two weeks twice a month yeah okay and I another question I have is that I know for a fact you guys can get in trouble for a monetizing copyrighted content but I know in your review process that you talk about how you can get in trouble as also for monetizing content that gets demonetized is that true yeah the penalties are for channel termination ypp suspension or channel demonetization if a single video gets demonetized no problem if you get a single strike no problem but it's if the channel in its entirety gets terminated suspended or demonetized then we get a hit against our reputation as an mcn with youtube is that something that you can simply fix in one of those two big phone calls and just be like give me a break and take this restriction off or it doesn't you know how strikes work they take a certain length of time for that to expire same thing it's the same length of time that it takes for our reputation hits to expire okay okay because I knew yeah okay I was just curious because I just thought it was like more of like a quality filter I didn't think it was an actual like that youtube was really cracking down on it but I imagine that now especially with the constraints on monetizable channels that the whole mcn because I'm just trying to think of like back then mcn's added like they had a much larger pool to pick from and I'm trying to understand that now when there are so many channels that are not monetized and those who are month because again with the whole minimum payout thing like back then there was no way I was going to hit the $100 minimum threshold to be paid by there's just no way that was going to happen so I'll just like you know freedom take 40% whatever but now you know it's like you know if I'm pulling in I put all on average like $25 a month you know from ads and stuff like that so it's like I hit it in four months you know that's fine um so would you say that as an mcn you have to and not just for freedom but like as a whole that you have to like sell yourself more to convince people to give up that portion of the revenue than you did it back in the day yeah that's why we are focusing on new services like custom games like custom music and even crypto these are things that all create new revenue streams outside of youtube but you use your youtube channel to promote so you know music we have Rainimator who's a very popular Minecraft animation channel he's got six million views on one of his videos that we provided the soundtrack for our team composed the custom music that he put into his video and it's now at six million plus views those are the kinds of services we want more people to become aware of so we can help them we can give them better music to grow faster um game development is another good example where we have now a team led by Dave frackia whose x-activision used to be the studio head of radical which was part of activision in Vancouver so he's now working with us full-time and he has a team that's creating custom games for creators and mobile browser games simple games i'm not talking a call of duty or a world of warcraft but um things that we feel a creators always wanted to build but never found a game quite like what his vision is so we build it for him for free he promotes it and we split the game revenue of any money that comes from that effort so that's again something we've never offered in the past and that's just something we started this year Dave joined us in april just six months ago so it's a very new service and the crypto part it's not you don't use your youtube channel to promote but if you have a good graphics card you just run the crypto miner while you're sleeping oh i used to run the crypto miner and you make money yeah so that's the connection for youtubers who are gamers and and the crypto but that's what we're trying to do now we're trying to find new ways to invest in products and services that help you grow leveraging what you've built on youtube or the hardware you have yeah i have to say that um the crypto miner i thought was a very interesting idea uh because i was just so out of left field and i just thought it was great okay and i actually did use i used it for the better part of like five months okay um until i just like it was just too much on my computer but i didn't use it for the better part of five months okay um recently too so um and i did make you know it was like five dollars a month but like it was still cool to see that like mind crypto was like oh wow that's actually going into my paypal account that's pretty cool so i think that that being a revenue stream that because like i think one of the problems with bitcoin and the currency in general nowadays is that how do you use it it's not easily accessible yeah yeah how do you use it it's not easily you gotta go to like a brokerage taxful coinbase and all of that requires id and stuff like that but i mean hey when you pitch it perfectly you run this program in your computer and money magically fluctuates your paypal account and um it works and i was like wow that's that's pretty cool so i thought that that was a very very good idea and it's something that you know i was one of the beta testers too i felt that the good nice awesome um but uh no so i thought that that was pretty cool as well um so i like the crypto miner uh a more broad question is is that so for you personally because i know back then in the in the day uh oh actually before i asked that question so one thing that i've always laughed about is always been an inside joke as well is the fact that in a video a long time ago uh so freedom was d-dost and hit offline and you are quoted as saying d-dost attack d-d-o-s attacks are healthy and i have to ask why did you say that well do you remember that first yeah i do if we cannot protect ourselves from misfits out there who are trying to take down our websites and what are we doing i mean it's the same with youtube right i make videos because i feel it's hypocritical for a video company not to make videos especially the guy at the top so same thing if we have a great tech team surely they must be able to defend our websites against some misfits who think that they can take us down and it's a challenge it says are we good enough to protect ourselves from these misfits these hackers and that's why i said that because i wanted them to try to take us down and i wanted our team to figure out how to stop them i mean i just thought it was very like weird how you were kind of egging on the d-dosters but then you're like oh well they were using an ip and just they weren't spot and then the fact i thought this was great is that you showed the console of them blocking the ip's i thought that that was that was that was great i'm amazed you remember such details dude i'm telling you i've been watching i i'm not part of the network anymore but i still watch the videos because it's just entertaining to see we paid you 2.2 million dollars for your family i'm going to click this pay now but boom do you need a catch up payment it's automatic it's like click that i could click that i it's a weird one you know what maybe you should host the george show next time just host the george show you know take take it off i'll just give it you can be the new george yeah uh i'd love to but i'm currently very busy so like i've actually filled up my entire fall so i ref soccer competitive and recreational i know they call football and other parts of the world i'm talking in the united states yeah and then i also work part-time at a very large retail i'm not going to disclose it but i do computer sales so you know i fill my time and then i do youtube when i have room so you know this is kind of like my outlet the creativity of and then twitch as well that's nice you're very eloquent you're very well-spoken and this is the i didn't expect to be interviewed uh by someone who i call so i think that's awesome no i mean this is this is great um i guess my final question before i let you go is is that what is the so i know back then i mean i thought you were stretching real far with the whole going public and an ip on being on the stock thing so what is your end goal for me to freedom when can you sit in the chair and be like you know what i've accomplished everything and this is great and now we're number one what's what's the end goal for freedom at the end goal is for us to actually make an mmo i mentioned you know we're not making call of duty or world of warcraft but i would like to make a better world of warcraft that's focused more on becoming an expert in the real world instead of just a fantasy world like i played these mmo's when i was younger a lot and i became an expert in their fantasy world did i gain any real world skills no nothing that i could say helped me become a better ceo or helped me learn about better tax reduction strategies that all i learned in real life but i'd love to make a game that's fun and addictive and entertaining like a world of warcraft is but that actually teaches you about tax reduction strategies in dubai that teaches you about how to become better at building a business by playing the game and putting elements that build those skills into the game mechanics that's my ultimate goal you know to make a world of warcraft you probably need a hundred million dollars how do you get a hundred million dollars well if we go ipo and run the crypto market that's one possible way a more likely way is to build freedom up into a publicly traded company that can then fund this new very ambitious project which would probably take like five years to build so to your point of you know how far along are we towards this goal that you said was really you know aggressive and almost unbelievable back then we are a lot closer than we were then we're now set up as a cayman islands holding company that controls the hong kong company as well as our singapore company for crypto and our game development company so that's the structure we now have where the caymans is the ipo vehicle and we're consolidating revenues into that single balance sheet to make the numbers look bigger so it increases all of that ipo goal makes it happen in less time and we're still very far away there's no like oh we're going to ipo next year it's maybe in five years still but who knows so i still want that to happen i'm still trying to scale the business so that it can happen and i hope to find good people to join us along our ipo journey because it's all about the team that's what will make it happen and we have a lot of growing to do first well george i have to say it this has been the best monday night in hawaii that i've had or for you tuesday morning i guess yes it has been an absolute pleasure speaking to you i greatly appreciate you taking the time especially an hour to talk with me this this has been something that i won't forget i really appreciate the transparency and honesty and willing to you know answer some questions that i know i've had for a long time and um you know willing to watch other freedom island stuff like that um i i think it's i think it's really cool you're super down-to-earth person thanks um keep keep up the great work and um i wish you the best with freedom and and and it grows and um i hope that you've taken what i've said uh to heart and some of the criticisms and um you know yeah i just just thank you for taking the time george i really do appreciate it one of these days when we are ready to make a bigger game we will be asking youtubers to uh lend their persona to characters to be in the game is this something you might be interested in to make a version of you in a game that we make oh i would love to voice act people always tell me that i could be like somebody on radio so if i can kick start my voice acting career over at freedom game um i'd be more than happy to george my uh skype although i don't use it i do still get notifications so when you message me it will pop up my phone um i also have your email so i'll contact you when you're ready either in both ways yeah no problem but like i said it's been an absolute pleasure george um thank you so much and uh you have a great rest of your day and i will have a great night awesome i will send you a link to the video when it's published no problem george have you want to take care take care bye hope you enjoyed this office hour number two click that i to see all the office hours so far in case you missed any including the video introducing the concept i really like the response so far so i will keep doing these as long as you keep feeding me great topics to talk about absterbone you're awesome i look forward to the next time one of you decides to interview me on my own office hour normally i'm the one asking the questions but i'm happy to do it the other way around hey girls quiet on the set what do you guys think of all this is it an interesting content that you enjoy watching tell me down there in the comments below or is it boring and you want to see something else tell me what else you want to see in the comments below i have something else to preview which is a game that we are launching the level designer for tomorrow and that will air about this time i've been using the youtube premier's feature to get everybody watching at the same time i hope you like it i like it i love chatting with you guys while the video is playing so we will keep doing youtube premieres unless you tell me you hate it in the meantime freedom family who am i i am still sick papa george blowing my nose almost every 10 minutes my wife keeps saying how 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