 Y'all get a high off of just freaking people out. You have to figure out other ways to make strong art. How do you create something that's also new? Working through those pitfalls is the bottom of the pit. Is that Sharpie work right there? What was it? What were we talking about? I got a review and the critic who reviewed me asked me why I am. Well I was appropriating work from these white artists. I wasn't referencing certain black artists. I thought it was kind of interesting that me being black that I have to reference someone black. I love when white people tell me I need to go experience more black things. It's so funny how race is always like everything is kind of about race. It's a little daunting. I'm the black guy. I'm the black guy from Most Colors. Me and Irvin were driving to South by Southwest and we drove through a cotton field. I was like pull the fuck over. So he pulls over and I jump out. I picked some cotton. I can't imagine this being my job and shit. The history of the cotton club was originally owned by this black boxer in Harlem. One of those gangsters basically took over the club. When they took it over they made it like a fucking whites only club where a lot of the fucking staff is black and there's all black performers and shit. And niggas weren't allowed inside unless you were like throwing up some very big caliber or something like that. I wanted to do my own iteration of the cotton club. Two niggas gone fishing. So I have to do their faces and then there's fish jumping in and out of the water and shit. I think I was kind of drunk and then I think I said something about it on Instagram and then after that it was just kind of like oh so you're doing a performance and I was like yeah I guess so. So you know these paintings called de Gauss dancers. These three ballerinas in like a dark room and it has like a salon style hanging of a bunch of paintings all around them. I kind of like always have a pitfall like somewhere in the making of a show Working through those pitfalls is how you find the bottom of the pit. It's interesting how there's like a kind of like direct correlation between planning a painting and planning a ballet. It's like two and the same in a weird way. The paintings aren't really like paintings like this isn't a painting to me but it kind of is assuming the assuming the position of a painting. I always think of these pieces as like each shelf kind of contains a bunch of shit that I would actually use in a painting but it's kind of like a shelf of like possibilities. They're constantly just kind of like taking weird images from the internet and using that almost like a brush stroke. When you step away it just looks like a bunch of tile pieces of color. When you get in you can see there's little like repeating images. It's definitely themed you know a lot of it's like movie old TV stuff too. A lot of drug paraphernalia. I guess a lot of just shit that I have to do with my life. Drugs and TV. This guy over here. It's good to do shit that like you're afraid to do. I usually don't use the computer for much and this stuff was like all mocked up in the computer and I printed it out as a background. At first I wanted to just be a painter but then like you paint forever and then you realize that paintings can only do so much. I mean it all stems down to just really being more interested in the viewer and the viewer's experience of like my shows. I feel like I'm just kind of repeating myself at this point with painting. It's like creating me to make different work but it's also making me not want to make work because I feel like I'm not using the proper medium at the time. I don't think the paintings are weak or anything it's just I feel they are the consequences of not doing something else. This dude came up and he was like how would you feel if I had a poster that said kill all the black men? And I was like well I probably spit on you. He's like well I'm Jewish and I was like does that matter? So we're going to have that conversation, you know? And he's like I'm just asking you know how you would feel and I was like I'm telling you how I'd want to spit on you. You have no right to say that to me. And he's like you feel you have the right to say kill all the white men and I was like yeah I do. I feel I have every fucking right to say that. How many posters were there like about like stringing up black people and lynching black people and like all this bullshit? And he's like well don't you think we're past that? I'm like no because like there's still killing black kids in the street like every single fucking day, right? The only thing that we're past is the fact that I can tell you this and not fucking go to jail. Because I mean I don't know. So I don't know dude. Yeah. I don't know.