 And could you please state your full name? Oh, Arthur Gordon Slade. AKA Smiley. That's right. And what is your age? I was born in 1929. So I'm now 70, 87. And where were you born? Swan River, Manitoba. And I was the eighth child in the family of 11 kids. Wow. And what did your parents do when you were child? My dad worked for the railway. Seeing a railway in Kenwill, Manitoba, where we were living. And he bid on a job, got a job in what they call Simon House, which was 10 miles south of Cranberry Forties, Manitoba. At that time, the railway maintenance was all done in 10-foot sections. And they had a former looking after each section. So he bid on that job and got it. And he moved up in the spring. And we stayed down there until we finished school and came up in September or October. My mother brought the whole eight kids up. At that time, I was a vape in arms. And that was 29. And we lived in the section house. That was the only house there other than a bunk house. There was nothing else. No roads. Of course, nobody had a car, in a way. And we used a gas car. But I had this big family. And we went to every Saturday night dance in Cranberry, which was once a month. And the other members of the family all played something I didn't. But my mother took everybody from the time they could walk. It took them all the time, anyway. And if we couldn't dance with her, we curled up on the bench and went to sleep. Elsewhere, which is there. Did you ever start playing an instrument when you got old enough? Did you ever play an instrument when you got old enough? Oh, no. I took guitar lessons when I was in university, or at Falcons University. But I never learned enough to really play anything. But I've been dancing since I was two. And I'm still dancing. I dance as often as three or four times a week. And I dance every Tuesday afternoon at one legion in town. And there's another legion in town that dances every second Wednesday afternoon that I go to. In a dance, also, there's the dance connection, which is a younger crowd. We're all single dances. And I go as a single because my wife doesn't go to any of those. She's not as much of a dancer? Oh, she likes to dance. We have live music here where I live in Red Oak Villa every Tuesday night. So I danced with her on Tuesday night. But she doesn't like going out to the country dances because her balance isn't good and her lace don't take it so she doesn't like the crowd. So that's one of my main activities now. And as a child, what were your interests or activities? What are my other ones? As a child, do you remember what your interests or activities were? Well, we lived in Simon House until 1937, just the family. So we had to make our own games and play at the Iowa and all kinds of stuff, hide and seek on our own. And then we moved. My dad built a house in Cranbury, Portage, which was just almost at the end of his section. So we lived in Cranbury. And he went five or six miles to get on to where he had to do the maintenance. And he always carried a gun because we lived in the bush. We lived in a wild beat. So we had ducks, bees, cockroaches, rabbits, everything. It wasn't necessarily for protection. It was more for hunting. That's right. The only thing my wife, my mother and dad, bought in town, they had to go in it once a month for their staples, like flour and sugar and stuff like that. Everything else you did? Otherwise, we lived off the land. They had a garden. And we had a couple of cows. But there was not a farm because we were on the edge of the Canadian Shield, right at the edge. And that's where we lived. Anyway, in 1937, I moved to Cranbury Portage. And I got up to finish my grade six. While I was in Simon House, I had to get school by correspondence. It came in on the train to listen to some stuff. And then in 19, I graduated while I finished grade six. And then he bid on the station Flinflon, where they had a high school. So as a result, I was able to go to get my high school. And then I won a scholarship from Hudson Bay Mining and Smelty, which we're just setting up. So I was one of the third people, I think, to get one. And that paid everything at my university. So where did you go? What was your program as well at university? My program. I took science with the eye. Well, I went one year in the University of Manitoba. I didn't like chemistry. And I was good in maths and physics. So I wanted to go into engineering. And I wanted to build airports. So I had to move. I tried to go into Queens and London. And they wouldn't accept me. Queens wouldn't take me, because I hadn't taken a year of phys ed. So I went to McGill, because it was easy to get into. But I had no problem with money, because everything was paid for at the university, including my residence. And then in addition to that pleasure, I was able to come home. I had to pass on the railway, because my dad was on the section for him. So it didn't cost me anything to travel back and forth, come on trail. So I was always able to come home for Christmas and stuff like that. So that was my four years of, finished my fourth year there and graduated in science, specializing in mining engineering. And the first year, oh, I didn't have any money. So I didn't stay for the graduation. In a way, my first year was that the Ontario Mining Association had set up a program, or maybe it was the Canadian Mining Association, that I would spend four months at each of three mines. So I chose a big gold mine right out of grace, since Christian Lake, Del Knight, which was a small gold mine, and Timmons. And I spent four months at each of those. Timmons went on strike before my four months was up. So the manager phoned the manager of Falconbridge, who was shorty-mod at that time. Too bad you can't interview him. Anyway, he was a trick-over guy. And he said, just send him down. So I got down. There's where I had no money. I got to Swastika, and I had to get a place to stay. I think I had 25 cents. And anyway, so I took the bus in from Swastika into Christian Lake, which was only about 25 or 30 miles. I went straight to the mine and the mine manager, who was Ed Healy at that time. And he said, well, we'll arrange for you to stay at a place. It was a boarding house, Jack's boarding house in Christian Lake. And I'll make arrangements that you will pay them when you get a paycheck. So I stayed there and worked for four months at Ray's Arkers. At the end of my situation at Ray's Arkers, I'm sorry. It wasn't Ray's Arkers. Falcon. That's right. I jumped because I finished Arkers. I went to Del Nite, and then I went to Falkner's, which was a base metal, a big mace bed. And the manager here was Ed. That's very interesting. The production manager here was Healy also. He was Ed Healy. And at the end of my, I did every job there was underground that you could do. Worked in the smelter and worked in the mill for four months. Did you have a favorite? Oh, I like working underground. Underground, yeah. Oh, yeah. The next day, you could always go and see what you achieved the day before. That's true. Definitely see the progress. Yeah, working in the smelter, you don't see that or the mill. You don't see your results. So that made working underground very interesting. And I tell all the students everywhere I talk that that's what they should do, is go and work underground. A lot of them nowadays, they think they should be a boss right away, and the miners hate it. And so I tell them all, I do a lot of that kind of stuff. I've got a couple of scholarships that were at the University, which has now a good mining school. Anyway, where did I get to? I got, oh, when I lived, my four months was up at Volckerbridge. He called me into the office and told me, and I hadn't even realized it. He said, well, what are you going to do? And I said, well, I don't know. I never even thought about a job. He said, well, there aren't any jobs. We don't have any jobs for engineers here. I said, well, that suits me just fine. Give me a job as a grower underground, and I'll stay. They had an agreement with the reunion. They could do that. So I was given a training program for three years. So I worked underground for three years. Then I was made safety inspector. And from there on, I had 35 other jobs as a boss, as a senior shift boss, mine captain, superintendent, and so on, up to assistant vice president. And I retired in 1984 as the vice president of the national division for Volckerbridge. So I had 32 good years with him. And then when I graduated from them, I was living in Toronto. So I promptly moved back to Volckerbridge because it's nice here, and I knew everybody. And then I went consulting for 25 years. And then management. OK. So I set up my own company. I didn't have any employees. I used all the people that were getting laid off from Volckerbridge and Ingle. So all I had to do was arrange for work in that life. And then I retired that when I moved into Red Oak Willow when I was about 80-something. Yeah, it's a recurring theme that most people in the mining metallurgy world don't retire very early. Or if they do, they consult. It's not real retirement. That's right. There's a lot of miners retire here. They spend their morning drinking coffee. Well, I don't even drink coffee, though. That's a good idea. I don't do that. I'm a worker. I'm also a professional volunteer. I'll show you a sheet of paper. It's a full sheet of volunteer work that I've done ever since I moved to, when I was a family. My mother and dad trained us to be self-sufficient. So this is exactly the way I've brought up my three kids. And my wife agrees with this. And she understood she grew up in the early 30s, too. So we had to be careful what we did. And so I got three very independent kids, two boys and a girl, Susan. And she took forester. And Freddie is a chartered accountant. He also won a scholarship based on the Falkenberg Scholarship, or the Hudson Bay Scholarship, which we set up at Falkenberg. As a result of me getting invited for dinner by a lady who was interested and whose husband had worked in Finland. So she asked me all about the scholarship and how it was set up. So Falkenberg set up two or three scholarships the same way. And they're still in action right now. Anyway, Freddie, that's in grade five. He was too smart for the class for what he was doing at school. According to the teacher, they wanted to promote him. And they did promote him from grade two to three. Anyway, my wife said, well, that isn't very good. And she heard about the scholarship at Upper Canada College. So he won a scholarship at Upper Canada College. Just let that off. OK. And she said, anyway, so where did I end up? So you were talking about the scholarships. Oh, yeah. Yeah, well, Freddie won. He was in grade six. He stayed at Upper Canada for four years, three, 10. And then he moved back to Falkenberg to live. Went to Gerson Falkenberg High School. And he won a Falkenberg scholarship. That's where we're at. So he went to Gleilson, took a counting, and he now runs his own business. And Bobby left home when he was about 16. As a young guy, he enjoyed drugs and all that kind of stuff. And he got a job at Falkenberg for six months and got laid off because we had to cut backs again. And he got on his motorcycle and went out west. And I had family members all across the country. So he stopped and visited them all. Went right out to Fort McMurray. And they knew a friend there who was from Falkenberg. But he didn't get work there. He had to come back to Medicine Hat. And he worked as a welder's helper living in Medicine Hat. So he took a course in welding. But he didn't do the welding for pipelines and stuff like that. Whenever he was to number one in his class when he were in there. And then he decided, well, I should take a course. And so he took motorcycle mechanics, graduated in the top of his class, got his license. And then he loaded everything up to move to here. He was going to go to Wal-wan, open his own business. And I said, well, forget it. Wal-wan was off the road, off the highway. So I checked here. Everybody wanted to hire him. But he said, well, I'm not going to work for anybody else and give them a good name. He said, so I opened my own shop, which he did, for 10 years. In submarine? In submarine. It's a rock city, safely called it. And he had people come from Thessalon to get their work done there. And I talked to the guy from Thessalon who was a mechanic and had his business. He said he's the best motorcycle mechanic in Northern Ontario. Anyway, unfortunately, he also had all the gang, motorcycle gangs, were his best customers. They paid very well. They wanted to work very well. Gen D. The hells. So anyway, they got clamped down by the copster in February. And so he said, well, I might as well sell my motorcycle business. So he did. And he went to work for Extrava. And I started for one of the construction companies. He spent a year with a mechanical guy and learned a lot of bigger machinery and stuff. And then he worked for Malkinbridge in Kid Creek in Timmins. And he commuted from Sudbury to Kid Creek every week. They paid all his expenses in Timmins and papers. He was on a trip there every time. So he always came home for the weekend. He has his own house. He's a bachelor. He had a girlfriend. He was going to marry. But he kicked her out because she didn't like him eating rice and boarders like that. So there's my family. She wanted him alive. So that's my family. And I worked for Malkinbridge, as I told you, for about 32 years and did all that retirement stuff. When I retired, that's when I went to consulting. And after about 25 years, I decided at the time. So we sold our house the first time we'd ever owned one. And used the money and moved into here in the Red Oak Villa where my pension covers everything except gas for my car. So it's good for my wife. So that's my life story. OK. If we go in a bit more detail, can we talk a bit more about your role in Malkinbridge? Oh, yeah. So after your three years or so working underground, then what position did you? Well, I started out with mine safety. Shift boss, mine captain. I had a couple of engineering jobs in between. This was just some to the manager and stuff. And then eventually I went to Toronto as assistant to the vice president. Then you got moved back to Malkinbridge again. My wife had just, we'd bought a house in Toronto and she'd just hung the grapes. I got moved back eight months later. And then I got moved back to the head office again as an assistant manager. And then I had the plane crash. Yeah, actually, could you talk even about that? Yeah, so the plane crash, which I explained how it was all set up, they were killed. Manager, general manager, Sudbury, and the vice president were both killed, so I took both their jobs. And they ended up as manager. And then I, as I mentioned, I had retired after. I don't know how many years I was here, 30, I guess, at Falkinbridge. And while you were at Falkinbridge, did you see anything change dramatically within the company? Whether good or bad? 32 years. Yeah, what kind of? 32 jobs. 32 jobs. Every job, I never asked for a job. I never asked for an increase. My objective when I graduated from university was to be as well like, be a shift boss, make $10,000 a year, and be as well like by the men as my dad was. Well, I achieved most of those things very early. And then the other objective was to enjoy life. So I enjoyed people, I enjoyed life. So now since I'm retired, I dance. There's lots of activities. Like, my son told me I'm a professional volunteer. I mean, everything. You volunteered for United Way? Oh, yeah, I was chairman of the United Way for three years when I first moved back to here in December. And then I've been involved in lots of others. And right now, I'm a member of a group that are trying to make Sudbury a better place and particularly interested in green. OK, yeah. Did the environment. Did Falcon Bridge ever do any work? Or at least when throughout your career, did you ever see a big change with Falcon Bridge's policies or practices about? When I hired under Falcon Bridge, we drove adrift. We had to use timber for everything. We had timber over the back and so on. Well, while it was at Falcon Bridge, we started using shotcree. I was involved with that particular thing yet. We had a lot of firsts at Falcon Bridge. We had the shotcree. We started using screening. And they used to use rock bolts when you were slushing mud. If you know what I mean by slushing mud. Well, one of the soap bosses that worked for me said we should use wall bolts, die bolts. So we started using eye bolts for that. And then we started using the eye bolts to put the screen on so we didn't need to use timber anymore. So between the shotcree and the eye bolts and the screening, we eliminated timber. At that point, before that, the timber, all the floors, had to be covered with plank, two and a half inches thick and heavy as hell. You had to hoist them all up the manly up the. And lay them out. After we poured, we did cut and fill stoves. And we started using tailings from the mill. And we just, to fill them, we'd raise the mill hole, then pour eight feet of fill in and cover it with plank. Well, we decided to try and make that concrete that we wouldn't set. Why not? Well, when you're scraping, it would scrape, too. It wasn't hard enough for the scraper. But one weekend at Hardy Mine, which is one of the mines we have, we had a leak in the raise on the water pipe leaks all over the floor. And it set hard. And that's how cement got put into tailings for floors and eliminated all this hardwood. Just needed a bit of water. Just a little bit of water. So when we did the filling now, we just sprayed it with water for a week off and off. And we had hardwood concrete. So that was another little invention we had. I also got the first raised drill for drilling holes when I was the mine captain at East Mine. I worked for an old timer who let me run everything and do everything as a mine captain. So I got, I really should get this raise more. So we were able to bore a hole. That was the first time we'd had one in Fultonburcher, maybe anywhere I don't know. But I also know that we also built, instead of wooden mill holes, we made steel mill holes, three sections, and they were circular. So they were easy to assemble and fill the stove. So that's another little invention they did at East Mine while I was there. And these are all little things that happened while I was there because I was always innovative. I've always been innovative. But those are some of the things. OK. Maybe if I ask you a few more social questions tied to the job or your career. First being the presence of women. I always ask that because it is more of a male-dominated industry. But from the beginning of your career to the end, have you seen, did you see a change or an increase? Oh, certainly. And in their positions. Not only that, but I'm an activator. So I'm involved with the university. I go to, there's a meeting, I think, of women this week or next week, of women that are now taking mining at Burnsham University. And I have two scholarships in mining at the university that I donated to. I donated shares that I had from when I was, after I left college, I got on the board of directors of Bellandio Mines and Calendum Mines. And to owe to those, I got options on shares. So instead of exercising options and paying taxes, I donated all my options to the university for two engineering scholarships in mining with a requirement they had to work underground. It's the only requirement. And I arranged for two nurses when they opened up the medical center. They started the first new medical center in universities in Canada that's around 10 years ago. I think their first graduates are just finishing up. So I give money to that. And that is a united way. And I'm involved with the archives here. Each city in Ontario is supposed to have an archives. They didn't have one. All their stuff was stored in the basement of the city hall. If it rained, they'd have nothing. So I arranged, I joined the archives committee. I arranged to get the administration building from Falkenburg to be donated by Extrater to the city. So we now have a city archives established is the town of Falkenburg. Because it's got quite a history to say. So I've been active in a lot of things. And the community is still there. So you'd say you've seen an increase in women in the natural resource world. And you've helped. Oh, yeah. I took the first women underground at Falkenburg when I was my super. The students taking geology used to come and visit. And the men went underground. And the women had to stay up. They couldn't go underground. There was some superstition that a woman went underground. It was not safe. Yes, there was bad luck. So I went to my boss and the manager. And I said, look, this is stupid. They should go underground. So he talked to the board and so on and said, OK, but you look after it, Slade. No problem. So I started dating. I took the first women underground at Falkenburg before we even thought about it. And then I started taking families underground. The wife and kids that were old enough to go underground would come on a Saturday. And I would arrange that they would pick the trip with a shift loss over their beat to see how mining was done. So that started more visitors. An inco now eventually started taking people down. And when you first started bringing women down, did you feel like any of them were met with animosity from the men? No. No? They were very welcome. No, that's right. Oh, yeah. In fact, I'd be surprised if I was involved when we hired the first ones. See, I would use the first jack leg in an underground operation when they were brought in from Japan or wherever they came from. The Swiss, the Swedish jack leg. I was an engineer in training. And everybody else used the bar and arm and the big liner. I would use the jack leg. So I always got the first jack leg as it came into the mine. And eventually we got good ones. They're much better now and now. We have zero amount of it. So we have drill rigs and stuff like that. The first drill rigs we had, we used at Strasco and a mine where we set up a mining method using scoop trams, which was the first time they'd come to Canada. And that was a result of me and the mechanic visiting down in the States. Saw the scoop trams. So we hired what one? They were built in North Bay, the Wagner scoop term. And we got the first one into Sudbury. But Anko got the first one underground because we had left ours on surface to train the people how to use it. And we completely revised the mining method at Strasco and a mine from a cut and fill thing to a room and pillar type with cut and fill. But we could connect four stoves together and operate and muck them out with one scoop. So it's completely changed that operation instead of costing about, well, we're going to produce about $3,000, $4,000 a year or something. We can increase the production to $12,000, cut the costs, and produce more with the scoop trim and the new mining method. And saved enough money to pay for the capitalization for the Strasco and that operation. Do you believe there's a disconnect between the mining world and the rest of the public? What do I think about it? Yeah, I don't believe there's a disconnect. Maybe it's Sudbury. No, I'm an activist to reverse that situation. So I spent time talking to everybody. Yeah, well, you had mentioned taking people down in the mines and scholarships. And then the girls at the university and talking to them at the university were like completely the opposite. Because I think mining is so important to Canada. That's one of the main reasons. And then the other thing, of course, I thought it was one of the best jobs I ever had. It's the most interesting. So I promoted it as a mining job. And do you think there's still a lot of promotion to be done within Canada? Well, there's a lot of other companies, sure. And a lot of people that don't think like I'm thinking. I think that's one of the problems. Some are very staid. One of the worst companies for that was Ankle. How so? Well, they didn't bother with people very much. They weren't, OK. I changed the, I should deal with the change that I made. Go back to when we made the change at Fongenbridge. I think I got something here. I can show you. I'm going to give you this. John Mayther, who came to Fongenbridge as vice president, was the president of Intersman. And he was very successful and very profitable. And that was why he was moved to the head office of Fongenbridge, which was Intersman was the subsidiary. So he went to head office as vice president. And I went there as his assistant. And he was in the process. He came in 1975, I guess. In 1976, he decided we should reorganize. And his organization was underway when we had the plane crash. So I took over with that organization. That's written up in that article. And this copied this every star of the new program. I can make the copies of anything you want. Sure. But the big thing is we got rid of every assistant. Everybody had to have a job. And by doing that, the only people we laid off was a couple of senior managers. And I'll see if I can find it. I have a picture here of how we changed the organization. We had about 13 layers of management between the Stoke Boss Underground, who was an orderly-rated guy, and the president of the company. I had to take over and do that rearrangement arrangements. This was the result in the organization. So you see what we got rid of. Yeah, quite a bit. Yeah, well, we made it so much more efficient. And it's written up in that article I gave you. We cut the costs. We improved the morale. And we produced better production, better productivity. As a result of those changes that we put in in 1977. And that was the big thing to me, involvement, which I was completely responsible for getting that in. So it was a big thing. Yeah, this article is interesting, too, because it shows the union. It shows good relations with the union, which quite often is not something you necessarily hear. In 1977, a mining company made the first interview for publicity to the public. I held it in Falkenburg with the union and the media. It was the first press conference. Any mining company you think it ever had? So we give them the roll down. So that was a big thing in my life for Falkenburg. You also are completely different. But in the 80s, I think you ran for the federal elections. Yeah, well, see, at that time I was ready to retire. That hadn't got nothing to do with the election. But we had a new boss, Bill James. I'm sure you must have interviewed him. No, I haven't. Oh, he'll tell you how to run a business. Anyway, in my change that I put in, we had a management philosophy that everybody had to know exactly what their job was. I got rid of all these assistants. I ended up with five managers, one looking after mining, one metallurgy, one accounting, and one personnel. And that's how we ran the company. So I was situated in Toronto as vice president and general manager of Sudbury. And I had these. Originally, I think I had six managers, one for engineering. And he got killed in the plane crash. So we just went with five managers. And that's how we ran it from then on until I left. And then in 1984, you decided to run? Well, Bill James was hired two or three years before that. And he was one of these hands-on guys. He had to make all the decisions himself. I never made any decisions for myself. I had five managers make their decisions. And if they had a problem, then they came to me. Oh, this was not the way Bill James offered it. He would come up from Toronto and go to the smelter and talk to the man and decide we're going to do this at the smelter. And I was stuck as manager being responsible for decisions he made, which I necessarily agreed with. So I concluded when they decided they would cut back in head office, I helped them cut back. We cut the head office by 50%. And Bill James wasn't responsible for that. But I helped them do that. And I had a secretary and an assistant. So the secretary went to first class. And then we made another layer of cuts. And I got rid of my assistant. He and I sat down and decided that he was older than I was. So he was going to be let go. So I was left there as the only person in the manhood in the nickel mining division. I was vice president of the nickel mining operation, all nickel mining operations in base metal in Canada. And anyway, Bill James didn't agree with my philosophy. So I decided they offered a few retirements in the cutback. So I offered to retire because I was 55. I really didn't enjoy working like that. That wasn't my way of operation. So I quit because of that. So you can't quote that I quit because of Bill James. But that's basically what it was of none of his own philosophies. Different management style, you definitely do it. But he was president of a lot of companies. He saved Falkenbridge when he came in. Because the first thing he did was they had two chauffeurs on Cadillacs steering a Marsh Cooper around. Marsh Cooper was just the opposite. I think he's still alive, too, in the interview. Because he was one of these guys that had to be everything big. So he was worried about it. So Bill cut back. Bill got rid of the last Cadillac when he made it. He auctioned it off at Christmas. And the guy who was in charge of metal or G, he used to come from Falkenbridge. And he was a big guy. So he bid on it, and he got it for 10,000 bucks or less. So that was one of the good things he did. The other thing he did, he understood enough about mining that if he didn't do exploration, you wouldn't have a mine. So he and I agreed on that policy. I ran exploration in Sudbury that cost us about a million dollars while we were in a cutback position. And he didn't even realize that that's what the mining is being spent on. Marsh Cooper didn't know. Bill James knew, because he agreed with it. Yeah. You had mentioned around the time of the elections that more politicians should have an engineering or a managing or scientific background. Can you elaborate a bit on that? Well, I felt they didn't have enough. And so, well, I put my money where my most was. And you decided to run. Yeah, so I had just retired. They needed a candidate. And I had just retired. I moved back to Sudbury. And I said, well, hell, I'll run. And I had the conservatives in Nicolabell. I ran in Nicolabell. Went from 3,500 votes to 14,500 when I ran. I had all those labor people working with me on the campaign and voting for me, even the ones that worked at Ankle. Because they felt I was a good manager. And I got along very well with the unions. And the recording secretary for Mine Mill, which was the union at Falcon Bridge, seconded my nomination at the conservative convention in Nicolabell. And a lot of these people were never conservatives. Most of them were probably liberals or NDP. So I increased all those things. I beat Judy Arrow and Cutter, who was a cabinet minister running for liberals as a candidate. Her number of votes dropped from 21,000 to 12,000. Mine went up by 10,000, more than 10,000. But I only got 500 off the NDP. So they came up through the middle. John Rodriguez got elected. And he was elected a second year chair. Do you think that nowadays there is a better representation of the engineering? I don't know. I don't really know. Because there's nobody that I know that is in that category. Sudbury is all NDP. My son ran in the election, in the last federal election, on the same basis as me. And he had a good campaign. And a lot of people liked him and so on. But the NDP had more votes. So they didn't get quite enough votes. It often happens in there. That's right. In fact, I go to the offices in the office yesterday about some stuff for this material from one surprise printing stuff and so on. See how the girl said, boy, your son should have won that election. I hear so many positive comments about Freddie, my son, that they probably want him to run again. Well, I think they ran a second time, but he didn't get enough. But he had a lot of support. We'll finish off with just a couple of questions. One which is, what are you proudest of in your professional career? What do they want? What are you proudest of in your professional career? The most, well, the change that we made at Falkers. It's the number one item. The one with the restructuring? Restructuring. It's gone. Well, it completely changed Falkenbridge. We improved everything. And that was a result of what John Mather started that I had to finish. So the big thing was reducing the number of people. We didn't have any. We only had one staff layoff. All the rest were given early retirements and pensions. That'll be Bobby. And that's, if you were to speak to someone much younger, like a student, for example, let's take Laurentian as an example, what would be the most important life lesson or piece of advice you would give them looking forward? What is the what? The most important life lesson or piece of advice you would give them to a student? Go and get practical exercise in any job you're going to take over. And it has to be something in your life. Like when I returned, I had three objectives. So I've achieved them all. Socially, right now I have a great time for all the dancing. All the girls think I'm a young thing. They don't realize I'm 87. They don't believe it. I had one tell me. In fact, I was at a session last week where we were promoting women, working, and trying to make more jobs in Sudbury. And this one girl who is the senior person in charge of this place was one of the, they had a panel of four women. And I said to her, I said, well, you realize that I'm a senior now, too. They were talking about senior support for them and what they should be doing and pleasure and enjoying life. So she mentioned to me and I said to her, well, how old do you think I am? She said, oh, about 70. She didn't realize I was 87. That's good. So because of my activities, I stay very active and stay young. For sure. So enjoy life. Enjoy life. Good piece of advice. Well, thank you.