 Okay. All right. I'd like to call the village of mass obstruction planning commission meeting to order for June 6, 2019 tonight on the agenda, we have the minutes from the May 16 meeting to approve, as well as a, uh, a, uh, a vote to send the updated municipal plan to the trustees. Um, first, Albert, Robin, are there changes? Well, my, uh, agenda says, uh, May 16 and May 20. Correct. That was added on. Okay. And also, um, I do have a letter from a wrestler that I'd like to talk about officially, but, uh, it's a request from the, uh, after we do the min body of me. Gotcha. Okay. So, uh, let's do the, um, minutes from the 16th. Um, do we have any amendments or changes or do I hear a motion to approve? Well, that's about a green roof. I mean, it's not part of the plan, but I wonder if we can add it to our energy section of our plan. We will start incorporating it into a flat roof and put grass areas and pancreas up there for just to keep it going cooler. Did we talk about that during this meeting? I mentioned that, well, Avery was here, but they, they talked about solar panels. I mentioned a green roof, but it wasn't put in. In the minutes? Sure. Yeah. We can, you know, change. I wasn't here, so I can't, I don't know what, what context it was. Seems reasonable. Two words. Um, I think it was in the same, same place when we were talking about solar, about solar roofs. I didn't, and they said five minutes and one about green roof. Sure. So it's. Good idea. One, four. Yeah. Make sure those, those comments are in there. Okay. Any other? Anything else? I hear a motion to approve the minutes with the added comments. May 16th minutes. Yes. I have one other thing. We were talking about underground parking for that building over here, across from the Y building. The parking was made on slab, but then if they were over parking, they were going to have a driver on the back and underneath the building. And I said, I was going to keep it dry when you couldn't cross the street. They couldn't put underground parking in because groundwater table is too high. It's not too high in that sense. They did test wells and they said there's no high water on their side. I mean, I don't know how that works, but that wasn't in there either, but how are they going to do about it? They don't have a problem. They don't have a problem with groundwater. If they end up with a problem, they won't be able to follow the, the approved plan that they have, in which case they'll have to come back with some other plan. Yeah, they'll have to put in the parking garage, they'll have to put in sooner. Don't they start digging everything up and then all of a sudden they're in the water already? But this is, we're not just reviewing the minutes, we're reviewing the tension. There's so many rules about how to dig and what you're digging and where the dirt goes from the digging and what happens about dealing with the environmental issues. So were there comments? It's not going to be like they're out there by themselves digging a hole in all my, they find water. There's way more regulation than it plays a part. So were there comments that needed to be added to the minutes for the 16th on that? I asked about it, it wasn't written in the comment in the minutes. Okay. I asked about the water. They mentioned it, they had tossed in, you wouldn't say anything about the test wells. I don't know if nothing was written in there either about the test well that they had for an answer for the water. So I was looking for that. That would be nice to see that. So would you want to put in, they had dug test wells? They had no problems with the water table? They said they dug pipes and they sucked them in the ground or whatever. So in response to Andrew Bouton's question, the applicant said they had done test wells and no problem with the water table. Okay. Keep it safe. Great. Anything else? Do I hear a motion to approve the minutes for May 16th? Make a motion that we approve the minutes with additional corrections. Great. Do I hear a second? Second. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Okay. All right, next would be the minutes for the 23rd. Yep. Which have been added to tonight's agenda. Do you guys have time to look at it? When did you get that? Last Friday? I didn't get these last Friday. They went in there and packed it? No. But I did look at them. They're just over there today. Yep. Do you want to put them off until the next meeting or are you comfortable with them? I mean there's not a lot here. Well, I wasn't here. The one part about it is the housing piece that we said we hadn't seen before. Do you want a table number? It doesn't matter to me, I wasn't here so I will. But the comments that we made are in here so I guess that's fine. Yeah. Diane? I'm fine. I'm fine. You good? I'll move. We approve the May 23rd meeting minutes and issues. Second? Second. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Okay. Next up. So in the effort to do this correctly, we should make a motion to open up for comment the proposal for the comprehensive plan to anybody who is here that would like to talk about it. Anybody? So I don't have to move that we do something. I move that we open the public hearing to review and listen to comments on the SX Johnson comprehensive plan update. Do I hear a second? Second. Okay. All in favor? Aye. All right. So is there currently anybody not on the commission who would like to comment? No comment on the update of the comprehensive plan for 2019. I should say the village of SX junction. Okay. No one in the audience. So does that mean me? No. Well, you know, if you're commenting as a. Not commenting as a president. I move that we close the public hearing on the updates to the comprehensive plan. Second. Anybody else have anything you want to add before I take a second? Okay. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Okay. So, Melanie, did you have anything you needed to update us about? I do. Okay. Now a good time. Yes. Okay. Perfect. So in your packet, I sent a draft memo that memo is intended to serve as an introduction to the draft comprehensive plan that will be sent to the trustees so long as you make a motion this evening to forward it to the trustees. So I just wanted to check in to see if anybody had any comments that draft memo because it reads as you know, it's from the planning commission and Robin. I want to update you on one comment that is still outstanding and that is the language that is in yellow. We received a comment about updating some of the information about the wastewater treatment capacity. And I've been in contact with the water policy superintendent, Jim Jutris, and he's working on providing the current information. I spoke with him last week and this was highlighted because at the time I thought maybe he could meet the timeframe, but obviously that's not possible given the, you know, his current workload. I get it. It was kind of a last minute. I emailed them both. And so that's okay because he can still provide comment. Really the like drop dead deadline for comments going forward is July 12th. And I expect that he can meet that. So when this memo is forwarded to the trustees tomorrow, I'll just unyellow highlight that. That was yellow highlighting was just for you in case that I got the information. So before I move on to other pieces that I need to talk about, just wanted to find out if anyone has any comments, anything that you want to add to the memo. I know there's an is missing. Diane. I appreciate all the copy editing. You're welcome. I really do. I need like a personal copy. That's good. He's very good at that. Good rate. Does anybody have any feedback? Are we also reviewing the proposed executive summary? Is that coming? So that's this document? Yeah. I had made changes to it based on our discussion the last time. So from my point of view, I thought we were set with this. But if you have additional comments on it, let me know them. I don't. Still have them figured out where it's going. Yeah. So I forgot to insert it. So it's going to go right before the table of contents. And it will be inserted in the draft that gets sent to the trustees tomorrow. I realized that I didn't make that change. I was just going to say that. That was the first thing I looked at. It looks good. Yeah, I think it's great. I think that's a great location for it today. All right. So no comments on the memo. The planning commission report. So that's essentially the same planning commission report that accompanied the public hearing notice initially when you warned the public hearing in April. So we're just forwarding that information onto the trustees. Okay. But if you have any changes that you want, I mean, basically explains the scope of changes that we made to the plan, the enhanced energy plan, and then how the plan meets state statute for municipal planning. And so this document doesn't go in the comprehensive plan. It's just for the trustees. Yes. All right. What's the difference? I just, I'm just curious, educate me on what's the difference between in this, in this planning commission report, the term met and consistent. I'm just curious. Well, met is meeting a requirement consistent with what? So the requirements. Okay. So the met talks about like specific elements that the plan has to have. So it, the village met the first item, the plan for municipality, because it has a plan. The second met on page three, it's because it has a land use plan. And then the other items where it talks about consistency, it's consistent with the goals. So it's not consistent with language versus actually like physically having a plan or an element or component of a plan. So it's not referring to components or elements of past plans. No, just the one that we've been consistent with where we want to go, not where we've been. And it's consistent with the goals that need to be talked about as dictated by states. Thank you. Okay. So there are a few outstanding things that we need to talk about. The first one is when I saw Diane at the joint trustees and slick word meeting, she gave me some other typos, minor things that will be addressed in the next, in the plan that gets sent to the trustees tomorrow. In the energy plan, there's two comments that need to be addressed. And so I just wanted to alert you to them. They were in the table that you looked at the last time. They just didn't get incorporated in this last version. So just so that we're all on the same page on what's the next draft. If you have the energy plan in front of you on page two, the first bullet needs to be changed. It needs to be changed to say, establish enough energy. Yeah, so it's, it needs to be changed to say, establish enough renewable energy generation sites to generate between 200,000 and 300,000, like a lot of hours of electricity, roughly. I'm rounding on that. Does it already say that? We're talking about the report, we're talking about the conference. We're talking about the energy plan. Okay, it already says that, yes. So what I, I realized that when, Diane, thank you for saying that, but I, so I'm, last week I sent a version to the trustees. And the select board that, that statement was not incorporated. And so I had in my mind that you guys were not aware of that change, but then I made that change in the version that you saw. So it's just a little bit of, you know, version control and lots of things, lots of moving parts. Okay. So I'm glad we're clear on that. Okay. The other thing that I wanted to talk with you about is the housing objectives. Objective 2.7 on page 19. We had a conversation about this last time to address the comments from VHFA in them thinking that we needed some stronger language to further affordable housing. And so the last time we met, the planning commission agreed to add a statement that said work with the town of Essex on the development of the housing needs assessment and action plan to increase the stock of homes affordable to residents earning up to and including 80% of area median income. And I wanted to revisit that because the needs assessment and action plan was reviewed. Darren from the town gave a presentation to the select board and the trustees on Monday. And the select board, I don't know that they, I'm not sure that they, do you remember, did they accept it, Robin? They did. They did. So they accepted it. So it's, the housing action plan is more final than I think we really thought of the last time. And so that statement work on the development of the plan, it's kind of a non statement. And my hope is that maybe you've had a chance to look at it and then you've gotten more comfortable with it. And you would consider changing development to implementation. So we're on page 19. No, we were back on the comprehensive plan. No, it's the comprehensive plan that refers to the housing needs. It's also in the sheet. Yes. I didn't want to do this. So it's right here with comments. So it's objective 2.7. Okay. Under section 2.3, the planning challenges towards 2027 and beyond. So how long is it going to take to go through the processes? We're voting on accepting because somebody had to repeat themselves. In a room. Hold on a minute. There was George. They didn't have a quorum. So they didn't actually do it. Yeah. So the trustees didn't vote. But the town did. I think the town did. They did. Because they had a quorum. So the town accepted it. The bill will have their next meeting. I have gotten more comfortable with it. I'll say that. So you like to change work with to implement? Yes. That's what I was suggesting. It's sort of like you're pushing both things ahead at the same time. Yeah. Okay. But the trustees can always change it. Yeah. I'm happy with it. Yeah. I guess I'm okay with that. I mean there's some pretty heavy lifting that has to be done in order for us to actually get to the objectives outlined in the housing plan. That's the next step. Yeah. The heavy lifting has to happen. So I'm comfortable with implementing this area. Okay. So that will be a revision to objective 2.7 on page 19 and objective 1.9 on page 88 in the housing section. It's basically the same objective. Yeah. Okay. So next thing is so if the planning commission, you know, makes a motion to pass it on to the trustees, the trustees are meeting on Tuesday, June 11th to warn their first public meeting. And all they're really doing at that meeting is accepting what we send them. Yep. And warning the hearing. And I just want to let you know that I'm not going to, I can't be there. It's my son's fifth grade graduation. And I've given Robin information on the scope of the changes. So he'll walk the trustees through what has been adjusted through this process. It's really important to stress to the trustees that once they reviewed the plan and if they have comments, it will keep the schedule on track if they can send me their comments by July 12th. I already sent an email after that. Okay. Well-cast email. Yes. Okay. Yep. Still going to have to remind them in person. Yeah. My finger, my finger. And the reason why I'm proposing that is that I can take a look at the comments. I can make suggestions for addressing the comments. Bring them to their public hearing on July 23rd. And they can say yes or no. And that will just keep the process and the schedule on target because if substantial changes are made at that July 23rd meeting, they're going to need to warn another hearing. And then the town plan is going to expire. We're not going to meet that August 26th deadline of when the current plan expires. So that July 12th. And then you wouldn't be able to share with your life regrets and stuff like that. It is very important. You further suggested that we schedule a PC meeting for August 1st. If they made changes. I think you should... We have enough time to warn a meeting for August 1st if we don't know about it until the 23rd. Yep. So we better warn it now. We can cancel it if we have to. Yeah. It doesn't... I don't think it has to be a hearing like on the plan but you... The process is the planning commission needs to take another look at the plan itself to make sure that it still meets state statute. It's kind of just a formality that needs to happen. So I would recommend... Do we have to review it and take action or do we just... Only if there's changes, right? Only if there's changes, right? Yeah. Generally, if the trustees make changes. Yeah. Unless they're outrageous, you would just say, well, it's the trustees, right? We're here with their pleasure. One more. Six stories. Yeah. Yeah. So my suggestion is to have a meeting on August 1st and get it on the calendar now. Yeah. Let's make that happen. August 1st, you think we'll be Brad at that meeting? Sorry about that. We can order. Brad, just an excuse to eat both. We have a regularly scheduled meeting on that day already. Okay. So all we have to do is warrant it. Right. Happy days. Okay. Great. There are all the changes? That's it. That's everything that's on my list. Is the commission ready? Do you guys have anything to ask? Melanie, please. So in your motion... Just one more thing. In your motion, the motion is recommending that the trustees approve it. It being... Acceptable. Yeah. And it being the comprehensive plan and the enhanced energy plan. Yeah. Acceptable. Any other questions for Melanie? On the email that we got that outlines the next steps, is this going to anyone? Do you care about typos or corrections? No. No. It was meant for Robin and Terry. Just like that. You're all right. I do not. No, no. I know. These are just your jobs. Yes. Stop trying to see what that is. This was just to keep everybody on target. Okay. Okay. So any other comments before I make... I'm sorry. Diane? Go ahead. Okay. John? Okay. Never. Okay. Okay. So do I hear a motion to recommend that the trustees accept and approve the enhanced energy plan and updated comprehensive plan for the village? So what? Go ahead. Second. All in favor? All opposed? About that. Excellent. Good job. Thank you so much for all your work and helping us out. You are welcome. Okay. Good stuff. I have one little thing on the agenda. Yes. We received a letter from Mr. Locke Collagen. He owns property on local Chester Road. He's requesting that we rezone that section on Chester Road. We've heard that request before. And we've made a determination in the last time we did the LBC. But what do you want to read it for? The following zoning change on the west side of Old Chester Road. I did look through it. Other minutes were other neighbors on that side. I think one is a partner in the Essex Agency. They didn't want this change at that time? There was a substantial discussion. That was two or three years ago. It wasn't, you know, recently. No. It was in the 90s or something. No. No, no, no. It was the last time we did it. Okay. Well, change the R1 zone to an R2 zone. R, he says R, R3 Ecker site at 6064 Old Chester Road was village approved in an R3 zone. Previously, I guess. In light of this fact, we believe our site should be grandfathered accordingly. The application was made when it was zoned back. Please submit this to the village board of trustees. And closed as an article illustrating the village trustees favored on R2 zone three to two, the trustee favoring on R3 zone. This was, I'm sure, this was from the 80s or something. Now, the only time I remember a similar request coming to the planning commission was for property. Central Street. We wanted to change it. The answer was you do spot zoning. So is the request to grandfather a certain parcel on the west side? Well, we had grandfathered. Well, the gist of what you're saying is. That was phase two of what you're saying. Okay. But first was you'd like to suggest. One parcel or is it going to apply to the whole west side? I'd like to suggest the following is only change on the west side of Old Chester Road. R1 zone two and R2 zone. So that's the west side of Old Chester Road. Because there's quite a few properties down there. R3 Yaker side, it's 60, 64 Old Colchester Road. Was village approved in R3 zone. And let us just talk to you if it should be grandfathered. Well, that would open a huge barn door. You know, zoning gives and takes away particular things and the benefit of the community, not the individual. And you know, we changed the village center district a lot about the expanded it. So some of you have been saying, well, my zoning was this, not this, can I be grandfathered in because you expanded the district. I think the answer to that. Okay. So if there was an application for development on this motor to lots out of Old Colchester Road. Was that term a service? That was the storage. I remember that. Yeah, I remember that too. At some point, I remember a request for a change in zoning. So I wasn't sure if it was connection with that. No, that was on Colchester Road, was the storage. It was just Old Colchester Road. Yeah, you're right, actually. And I do remember, and it may have been not Colandus that came in. No, the storage is on Colchester Road. It is on Colchester Road. And yes, we talked about that. We weren't looking at spots on that. No, there's some interesting stuff along there because it's in between the railroad tracks and basically the tree farm. Yeah. That when they took the, there used to be a street that came out across from Pinecrest, went up over the tracks and they took that out. But there's quite a nice little section of land that's in between there. So we have heard people ask for that zoning change. They asked for the zoning change during our last review of the LBC, and I think we decided that. Yeah, I thought that was like glad you asked that too. Is that something that we voted on from the military that wanted to follow up to us? Well, we could entertain it. We could entertain it, but it's usually done in connection with the review of the development process. So in theory, we should be entering that review process because it too will expire in two years. And I don't mind getting a request any time, really. Well, actually, I think in our comprehensive plan, there's a couple suggestions of where there's suggestions about changing comprehensive or the zoning. Yes. So we should entertain it. We should maybe staff can pull the deliberation from the last request. It might be in the meeting minutes from when that happened. Yeah, because I don't remember when that happened. We should have a blow-up of that part of the zoning and we should overlay that against the recommended comprehensive plan language that is now current and see how that all aligns. There might be a reason that we would look at it differently than we did last time. Things could have changed. The area could have changed. Right. We've recognized increased demand for density in certain parts of the village based on all kinds of regional information. So that is the way that that applies. That's good. Yeah, we would definitely take a look at it. So down at the other end, near where the tree farm matrix is, there's a fairly large commercial building with a day care and some other stuff that's in there. And then when you're on 2A, you can see some apartments that were built. Do you have some townhouses or apartments? Definitely a town. Well, it might be in the town, which is why we don't hear about it, but you can see it when you're driving by because it's kind of the hill where the railroad tracks are and then you can see it. It's not like that's an odd idea to have more multifamily things there given what's out there already. But when you drive down Old Colchester Road from the village side, it's pretty residential. It's pretty open with the big recreational fields on the first side. Yeah, definitely something to take a look at. So do you have anything else, Robin? I just wanted to spend a little fuel about this June 11th trustee meeting. After the last penetration meeting, because there were a few people shy in the penetration, the idea was to invite people before the trustees meeting, about 30 minutes before the trustees meeting. So it was a great occasion for people coming for me. It was for me a little dog and pony show to talk about the connector and stuff like that over here. This came... it didn't come in time. It came somewhere else. So it was thought it would be a good idea to have it down. So you guys may or may not plan to go into the trustee meeting. I thought at least two might because they're accepting it. This was planned. But it was simply just if anybody wanted to come into the interest of being on the planet Christians, we'd be a little introduction to it as it's the trustees that appoint planet commissioners. June 11th? June 11th. It's at 6. The trustees started at 6.30 soon. So let's just... I think it's a great idea. I just feel like I wasn't aware that our attendance was... you know, and all of a sudden we're like... Well, I don't think you're attending this one. But in a way the fact that the planet commissioners is essentially the recommendation for the updated comprehensive plan from the planet commissioners going to the trustees should have some planet commissioners there. It's gonna be nice. Right? So it's a great idea. I just think that the thread of attendance happened to get dropped. I'm free. I will try to plan and go in. So that's fine. I don't know if you're... You know, I might be in town if I am. I'll be here. We won't hurt you guys to see my dog if we show him again. To the extent that they like to see the planet commissioners the work that was done. And the early meeting is going to be in the village office is not going to actually be in this room. My understanding. Six o'clock meeting is going to be in here. So are you going to have some maps and some other planning commission type stuff? She talked about Sunday making ice cream cylinders. That has nothing to do with the work that we're doing. Little planning commission handbook. The only thing I was asked to do was... You know, it's interesting because generally the trustees and the trustees decide the sort of the planning commission aren't involved at all. But I was just going to show them that rough and ready thing I did if the village green main street wasn't going to talk like that and make a picture or something like that. I don't know if these boards are going to be... How come these are still here by the way? I only said he was going to pick them up and he didn't. But it would be interesting. Those are kind of nice. I think the village should... Well I think we have a set of them. I think up to the village office I mentioned putting down a miller so that they're available. They can leave them upstairs so the visiting public gets a chance. I'll do that after the level. I'll do that after the level. Just because Sunday comes to play. Correct. Andrew Brown had asked one of their joint trustees means about how did we feel about having seven members versus five members and it was interesting in our opinion regarding that and quite frankly it's... In fact, I asked Terry and said we can form today and just make sure because we were tight last time and we had formed but since we can pass this to them we need to keep on schedule and make sure that at least four of us are here. My feeling is we can't be in the current position very long. It doesn't make sense to have a quorum of four required and only have five people. I told them that they should drop five, trustee meaning they decided not to. I don't mind having a seven member planning commission that's wonderful to get input from that many people just as long as we actually have seven people that might be available at any one time and the reason we went to seven from five was because we wanted to have more input. The thing is it's better to get people who can add value rather than to give bulk. That's almost true. So I guess I don't mind either way but I don't want to feel like we're two empty chairs that basically have two votes that are missing all the time. I think most municipalities are out of trouble getting volunteers from them. So I think from that perspective, from the perspective that it puts pressure on the members at the moment because we need four and when we've done we need three. So I guess if we can't get the seats filled I would prefer that they go back to five. That's what I said. I agree with that. The quorum still stays at four. We have five or so. The quorum goes to three. You were doing so well. When we call a quorum we call a triumph. Triumph? Okay. Anything else? I'm good to go. Okay. So if there's nothing else do I hear a motion to adjourn? Motion to adjourn? Second. All in favor? All in favor? Excellent. Thank you very much. Have a great night.