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So while the focus is urban church planting and we will explain why that's an important focus, but you can take these things and you can apply it in other conflicts as well. And the other course, church and ministry administration I'll introduce later in the week as we start that course. Now, I've put out the PDF as usual in the global classroom, and you can take the PDF as you may have already done that. Just follow along with me as we go through it. And for those of you in the class, you will get your printed version, shortly, then I'm going to get that here. Okay, so here's the course notes going through it. You know, why is this particular course very important? Because if we think about what is happening all over the world, what is happening is people are moving into the city. They're moving into urban areas, you know. Slowly, people are moving away from the rural context and they're moving more and more towards cities, maybe towns, and these populations are growing. So if you look at just general statistics, by 2050, you know, so we're talking about within the next 30 years or so, the work 54% or 50% of the world's population will be in urban areas. There's this whole movement towards that. And in different countries, that percentage will be higher, you know. That movement is going to be higher, the transition will be higher. Some countries, you know, a huge percentage of that national population is in urban centers already, but this is just looking at things globally. So our goal is we need more people. You know, we need more people who know how to work in urban context. How do you plant churches? How do you start ministries? How do you reach people in urban centers? And how do we do that? Both from a spiritual perspective and a very practical, natural perspective. How do we do these things? So that's what we are going to explore. And basically, you know, we're going to keep this very practical in the sense that we're going to share with you things that we have done ourselves here in Bangalore, that we are learning, we are doing, you know, and also we're going to draw from, you know, other city churches or other city ministries globally. So there will be a lot of things that I share and say, look, this is what we are doing, but we will also be drawing lessons from other churches and ministries who are doing work in urban context. Now, of course, you know, where you are, things may be slightly different. Things may be, you know, you do need to contextualize this and say, okay, this is where I am, this is a city where I'm living in. So I can, this is how I will put it to work where I am. So those things can be a little different, but generally we are going to share things that we've done which hopefully will be, you know, relevant to all of us, regardless of what urban center where we are. Just to know a little bit of course, we are going to share a little bit about my personal journey and we've kind of given overview of how we should approach church planting or starting a ministry in a city. Just some overview of how do you plan, how do you go about it. Then we get into, in section two, we get into some practical aspects that is, you know, one of the things you can do. At least some things we encourage our Bible college students to do, especially as they're preparing and as they're preparing to graduate, get ready to go and you're thinking about, you know, if God is called with a starter church, then, you know, these practical things that we talk about are very useful for you to keep in mind as you prepare to go start a church or any kind of ministry in an urban context. We also need to talk about the spiritual side of things. So it's not just that, you know, the natural side, this is how we do it, but also the spiritual side. How do you pray? How do we equip people? How do you, you know, spiritually mobilize the church to impact where you are, the city where you are. And then we want to talk about your personal life and this is very important because, you know, everything hinges on you as a person. It's, you know, we can be very excited and start the work, but if you don't have what it takes to stay the course, then, you know, things can just follow fast. So it's very important. And we want to talk about, you know, some of the challenges that we must be prepared for when you are pioneering, when you're starting a work in the urban context. So what are some things we can do to make sure we succeed? In this journey of pioneering or church planting in an urban context. Then we just, you know, we will keep this kind of more of an open section where we look ahead and see, you know, how are things going to change? How are things going, what are things going to look like in, you know, 10, 20 years from now so that we can, you know, constantly be prepared because the city is changing all around us. Things, you know, if you, you know, you can, you know, recognize that in 10 years, the city around you changes dramatically drastically. And so it's important to, you know, kind of always be ready and prepared for the way things would go in the city. Yeah, and as usual, you know, we'll break our assessments into these three things. Now, two or three, yeah, before the pandemic, I don't know what it was, that was in 2019, the way we graded this course was, I had actually had the students actually do a project and, you know, and write up a plan on actual planting a church and then do a presentation on that. So I'm just wondering whether something like that can be done in an online context where it's kind of giving, you know, question answers. We just do it as a project and then you present that back to us for review. That means you take this and you apply it to a city. You imagine you are going in our hypothetical, it could be an actual or it could be in hypothetical context where you say, look, I am going to plant a church in such a, such a city or I am going to start a youth ministry or a children's ministry or a, you know, a marriage ministry or whatever, whatever kind of ministry in this city. And therefore I'm going to, you know, I'm going to do it like this. We could even think of doing it like a project. What do you feel? I just want to know if you'd like to do a project-based assessment or do you like to do a question and answer? I know question and answers are much simpler. You just take the boxes, but the project basements, you'll have to invest time and we usually did it in small groups, you know, so we break the class into groups of four and they would work as a group in developing the project and plan on how they would plant the church. What do you feel? What do you guys think? Do you want to do it as an individual project? You can say you're talking about that and then getting in as a group, we're all in different parts of the world. So that might be a little difficult, but if you're, if people are okay with doing it as a project, it is individual project that is fine or if you just want to leave it as question and answer, you leave it as question and answer. What do you want to think about it? Let me know on Thursday. Okay, the other thing about it, how we would like to do your assessment right now, I'm just thinking of just doing question and answers as usual, that's easy for everybody. Project will require a lot more thought and research and you actually think about your city and do a research on it and so on. And I'm fine either way. Doing the project will of course require more time and effort, but it will also be more beneficial. Okay, I see Charles responds Q and A. Mangi, we came out of group project. I'm just wondering if we could do as a group project. Okay, have a thought about it, think about it and we'll finalize on Thursday how we should do the assessment, okay? So let's get back to the company sharing and we'll decide this on Thursday. All right, so here we are. I've given you these course notes which we will be following. There's also nice book, there are many, many books actually available on church planting, urban church context and so on. But one of the landmark books was written back to 1989. I know it's quite a many years ago called Taking Our Cities For God by John Goslin. There aren't many other books having to do with urban church planting, urban ministry, et cetera. But this is a very, like a starter book. It had a huge impact when it was released back to 1989. But people began to read it and say, hey, we can have a very strategic approach towards planting churches in cities. It's kind of really triggered a lot of thought on that and brought in a spiritual perspective towards church planting and so on. So I've shared that PDF also with you. Are you welcome to read it or go through it if you like. And then there are the free ATC books that you could use which will help you in some of the things that we talk about. So just a little bit about my own personal journey, why I personally feel very strongly about church planting. So, and this goes back way in time when I was in school through grade nine to 12, I was studying here in Bangalore in my, so there was a prayer group already running in my school here in Bangalore. And we used to meet during the lunch break. We had a very short lunch break, but as students we should get together during lunch break right after lunch for about 15, 20 minutes per year. But then that was so powerful because many people, many students, including myself, gave our lives to Christ because of that prayer group. And we came to faith in Christ through that. But then what I noticed was that I could reach out to some friends and invite them during, we had a short break between 11 to 11 to 15. I said, hey, you know, I can catch some two friends if they don't want to come for the longer lunch breaks. I can catch them during the three breaks that we had between 11 to 11 to 15 and get them to faith and teach them the Bible. So I kind of started another group in my own school during that time that put me during the tea break, seven to 11 to 15 from my friends and others. And suddenly they came to Christ. And then during the lunch break, I decided to, you know, what was happening in my school, I decided to do that in two other schools. So there were two other schools nearing where I was in Bangalore. And during lunch break, four days a week, Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, I would go to another school, which is called Ball and Boy School. I used to run there and I would run from my school to that school, do a 20-minute prayer meeting, run back to my school. And on Wednesday, I would run to another school. It was called Cathedral School. It was also not too far from our school. So I would run there and I would do a prayer meeting 15, 20 minutes and get back. So basically I was running three prayer groups, one in my own school and two groups and two other schools. A lot of students, just my age, were coming to faith in Christ during that time. And then on Saturdays, I started a prayer group in the church that I was going to. I was part of a Methodist church in that same area in Richmond Town. And every Saturdays I had a prayer group. And yeah, there were people who would come, all ages, they would come, they'd be part of the group and I would teach them the Word of God and so on. So that happened during those years, about four years or so. And it was a wonderful experience. But as soon as I left my city, I left Bangalore to go to do my bachelor's in Manipal, all of these groups just died. Because I didn't know and I didn't even think that, hey, when I leave, somebody has to continue this work. So as soon as I left Bangalore to go and to do my bachelor's, all these groups just came to an end, then still. And I felt very bad because for three to four years, almost four years, I had invested so much of time and effort into starting these groups. It had a lot of fruit. People came to faith, people are growing, but it all disappeared as soon as I left. And that's when it really hit me, that whenever you do a work, you must always think about raising more leaders. You must think about raising people who will continue the work after you leave. So it was a very, it was like a shocking lesson to me when that happened. Nobody really told me and nobody advised me, I didn't have anyone guiding me. So all these four groups just came to a standstill of when I left. Then when I went to engineering college in Manipal, that is where I did my bachelor's in engineering, there were a few, there were certain churches already there in Manipal. But there was no English spirit-filled work happening, at least not to my knowledge in Manipal as a town. It was basically a student town. There was a prayer fellowship, but people that didn't know about the work in the ministry of the Holy Spirit, about praying in tongues and so on. So during the first two years, I went there in 1986, so the first two years I kind of worked with the existing believers, getting them introduced to the Holy Spirit and so on. Then in 1989, January of 1989, I started a fellowship and the reason I started that fellowship was so that we could have freedom to preach and preach the word of God as opposed to being restricted in the existing fellowships that were there, I didn't want to disturb them because they were within existing church structures. And so I went out, started something where we would have complete freedom to preach and preach the things of the spirit, faith and healing and so on. And so I started this work in 1989, that is during my third year in college. But this time I was very careful. I said, I am going to raise up somebody before I need to make sure that this work continues because I had always remembered what happened to these four groups in Bangalore that they all, three or four groups in Bangalore that they all dissolved after I left. So remember that. And also in Manipal, I began to use some of these spiritual principles about prayer and intercession. You know, one book that greatly influenced me was Prayer, Key to Revival by Yonge Cho. And in that book, he shared how he prayed for, you know, in Seoul, Korea and at the prayer mountain, how they prayed to see a great revival. So I began to use those spiritual principles over Manipal and also some practical things. We held some seminars at one of our meetings. One of the first meetings that we did there in the hotel was the final countdown. There was some band that had released some pop music or something called the final countdown. So everybody was listening to that particular music. So I picked up that title and I held an evening event called the final countdown. People came and we preached to them about the end times, you know, and the coming of Christ. Look, it's the final countdown. And that had an impact on a lot of students. And that's kind of how this whole fellowship grew. And so there was a lot of learning in how to pioneer that work, how to get it started, how to reach out to a student community, how to care for people, and how to pray and engage in the spiritual for that work. And one of the big learnings over there was that I intentionally found out, I was praying, of course, and then the Lord put in my heart a young man whose name was Davis. He was a medical student. I was in the engineering college. I was a medical student. He was a medical student. And so, you know, it's like, okay, Davis is going to be the next person to take over from you. So as soon as I recognized that, over two semesters, I really spent a lot of time with Davis. And so Davis, you know, when I leave, I'm giving you the responsibility to continue. I'm going to give you the responsibility to continue this work. And so when I shared with him the vision, I said, see, now we have just 20, 30 students coming together, but we want this to grow into a hundred of students. We want to see even families come in. We want to see this become a strong, self-sustaining church, you know, and work here in many parts. So I led that work for three semesters. And then before I left, I handed the work over to Davis. And then Davis really took it forward. The amazing thing happened, you know, the year after I left, the work just continued growing. They had some people coming in from outside to preach and minister. And, you know, there was just an explosive growth. And that work became a solid work, but there were more than 200 students spirit-filled, worshiping God and spreading truth every week. You know, so what started with just a handful of people became a strong body there for many years. And of course, these were all students, engineering college, medical college, dental, law, others would come. They'd be a part of this work. And then when they graduate, they'll go into different parts of the world. So Manipalbili, they formed it as a legal body called Manipalbili was fellowship. And they brought in a pastor and the work, you know, really continued growing. Later on, some unfortunate things happened. There was conflict, it split. And the one part of it continues since today, or, you know, in its own form, it's been renamed every 15 years on. So, but anyway, that was a wonderful journey as far as learning and transitioning and seeing the world grow, even though I was not personally there. I left to the U.S. in 1990. This was a great experience. Then when I went to the U.S., there again, in the university, I initially started attending. There was no student, there was no Bible study for international students. And there was a fellowship that was going on, but it was mainly, you know, Americans. Now, I didn't see anything happening for international students. So I got permission to start the work for international students on campus. And that was wonderful. And that happened then. And then I moved to New Jersey. I had a wonderful time serving with a Korean Christian Student Fellowship. There were about 300 Korean students who would gather every Thursday. And I was part of that, the only Indians, the thing in that big auditorium with Korean Christians, but it was this wonderful time fellowship got to mentor some of those Korean students, nurture them. And I was also ministering at an African American local church. So the pastor there really gave me an open door. So I would preach often on Sunday mornings. And on Wednesday nights, I would teach a Bible study at this African American church. It's a small church, but it was this wonderful friendship and fellowship. I did that for some time. And then, you know, again, got orchestrated a connection with the Hispanic people. So they were staying very close to where we were living. And so these are many people from South America, mainly from Central and South America, speaking Spanish and so on. So I kind of released myself from serving the Korean and the African American church. I'd been there for about two to three years serving that and I released myself. I said, okay, let me just concentrate on one thing. So, and by the time I got married as well, the Amy and I, we started concentrating on serving. We helped pioneer a bilingual church. It was an English and Spanish church, mainly serving the Hispanic people. That is Spanish speaking people from Central and South America. Again, it was a wonderful thing. We started from scratch and we saw the work, you know, grow. And there was another couple, Spanish speaking couple, who were co-partying with us. So the services would be in English and Spanish. Worship would be in English and Spanish. And then we traveled with them on two trips to Ecuador, ministering to their own people in Ecuador coming back. So this wonderful time. And then we handed the full response via that church to the couple and then we moved to Chicago and that work grew. The churches grew. They got their own rented place and the numbers just increased. We moved to Chicago and in Chicago, we served at a small church there with the local pastor who was pioneering that work. So we just were there to support them in a system and so on. So during all of these years, you know, one of the things that always kept in my mind was that I would plant a church in Bangalore city. And so all of these years, you know, through college and through working in the U.S. I was like, God, I need to go back and I need to start a church in Bangalore at the right time. But all this experience, both in college, in school and then in college in Manipal and then working with these different communities in the U.S. I felt it was a preparation for the main work which was to plant the church in Bangalore and from there go out and impact the nation. So all of looking back, all of that was part of my preparation. So let me pause here before all of you fall asleep to see if there are any questions so far or any before I go into that next phase. Any questions? Any questions so far? Is my sound okay? Can you all hear me? Yes, your sound is okay. We are a lot. We are listening in. Okay. I hope I wasn't voting you with my own story. So, okay. Louis, is the sound okay? I see a note, it's unclear. Yes, that's a note, sir. Okay, that's a note. All right. Okay, so thanks a lot for your rate. I'll get on to the last part of the story. So, you know, during this time of while we were serving in the U.S., I also used to come back to India, travel through India, doing gospel crusades and pastor seminars through that 10-year period while I was in the U.S. So, I traveled mainly to South India and then I started slowly traveling through parts of North India during these 10 years, 1990 to 2000, doing, like I said, crusades and conferences. And I was always praying, saying, God, I need to come back to India. And I knew I had to come back to Bangalore. That was my home city and started church at Limpak, the nation. So, in 1998, when I was traveling in the Ministry of India, I felt very strongly in my heart. Time had come, you need to prepare to go back to India. So, this was the end of 1998. So, when I went back, I told my wife, okay, let's start preparing. We're going to plan on going back to India. We'll give ourselves about one year. So, we'll take, you know, I'm sorry, one and a half years, two more than one year. But 2000 December, we are going to move back. We kind of made a plan, right? We're going to go back to India. So, we started preparing. So, some of the things that we're talking about in terms of preparation are things we did in those years. You know, but of course, how much of preparation we could do was limited because we didn't have all the information that today is so readily available online. We didn't have it in those days. But, so, 1999 and the year 2000, the early part of the year 2000, it was all about preparing to go back to India. And then in December of 2000, we made the move. We packed everything, left everything and just dispensed of everything, full move back to Bangalore, yeah. And so, 2001 to 2014, I was pioneering the church while at the same time, I was working, running my own business. So, I was, you know, people would call it bi-vocational, that means I was pioneering and pastoring the church as well as running the business. And then in 2014, June, I transitioned and focused, I started focusing fully on the church. And then over the years, you know, we've, we've started to establish multiple locations in Bangalore, we started planting churches in other countries in India. And we also looked at planting churches in other countries. Now, whatever we did in other countries didn't survive so far as things had to close or transition off. But we, you know, we'll keep looking, looking at planting churches in other countries and what opened up just during the pandemic was in the Bible college having students from all over the world and also opportunities to set up an entity in the US that can support the work in other countries. So all of that is now coming together. And next year, 2023, we will be actually able to, you know, plant and support churches in other countries as well. But it'll continue to happen both within India and overseas and we'll share some of those things, right? Now, what I want to confess is when we started in 2001, when we came to Bangalore to plant a church and start, we didn't have all the learning that we have today. Today is almost 20 years later, we can look back and say, oh, I wish I knew it then. You know, we didn't, a lot of things have, you know, learned, we learned as we did things, as we experimented, some things worked, some things didn't work. But it was all a learning process. And hopefully to this course, we will be able to, you know, share our learnings, things that work in a city like Bangalore, which is among the largest cities in India and, you know, what didn't work. And then we wanted to plant more churches around the country. You know, some churches survived, some didn't. And even that was a learning process. And we learned through all of this. And so hopefully through this course, we will share what we have learned. Okay, any questions so far? Everyone is listening so far? Any questions? All good? Okay, so the first thing that we want to emphasize and that we, you know, we must never forget is that as we talk about planting a church or starting a ministry, the first thing is we have to depend on the Holy Spirit. Right? The Holy Spirit is our leader. You know, Acts chapter one verse eight, Jesus told us, you know, you will receive power when he gave the great commission to his disciples. And so, you know, you go and make this. He said, you go and make disciples of all the nations. One thing he assured them and promised them was you will receive power and the Holy Spirit comes on you and you will be my witness. So that's so important. You know, some of you are going to start churches. Some of you may be, you know, actually starting a church, doing the pioneering of the earth. Whatever you have to depend on the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is our leader. Now, let me just share this with you. You know, I said that, you know, in 1999 and to early part of 2000, we were making plans to how we are going to start the church in India and we moved back. And so, you know, whatever I knew, whatever understanding I had, I put it down. Of course, I prayed and I put it down. And, you know, but when we actually moved back to Bangalore, we really didn't know that many people. And once we moved back, end of December 2000, I was looking for a place to start. You know, trying to look for a hall, and then in a family of students of the city because you've been out of touch. It seemed very new to us. We didn't know too much or too many people. And it was so difficult to find a place, a hall, that we could start. So I remember in the early part of January, I was praying, saying, God, you know, I've been looking for a hall, not finding no place, where do we start, so on. But I remember one morning, one day I was praying, the Lord just answered in a very simple way. He said, start with what you have. Start with what you have. Now, that simple word, you know, some of us may think that's common sense, you know. But here I was, in my mind, I was thinking about a big hall, auditorium, I have to rent, find a place with that. So my thinking was going in some other direction. But God had to speak. And all he said was simple. Start with what you have. I asked myself, what do I have? And at that time, we had just returned, and we were staying temporarily with my father in his house. And that was what I had. So I went to my dad, I said, dad, is it okay if we start the church in the living room of our house? Is it okay? He said, absolutely, let's start. This happened in January. Within two weeks, we said, okay, two weeks is enough, we'll get ourselves ready by some minimal equipment that we need for starting in the living room, a keyboard. You don't even need a mic. Just get everything and start. So when that word came, this academic word and February 18, 2000, 2001, 2001, we started. But what I want to point or bring our attention to is that the word from the Holy Spirit. See how important that word was. The very simple word starts with what you have. Because in my mind, I was going in other directions, right? I was thinking about, I have to find a hall. I have to do all this, you know, get all this organized. And I was thinking in a different way, but as God was just saying, look, start like this, so the Holy Spirit is our leader. And he will lead each one of us accordingly. So I will share with you how we started other churches in Bangalore and on so on. I remember after we had started our first location, which was what today, what we call as ATC central. And this was in the year 2001, we had just started. 2001 or 2002, I think, yeah, exactly. I can, I have to go and look at that, but sorry, 2002, yeah. So 2001, we started the main, what we call as central. And 2002, very next year, we were, I was in my office, that is the business office, software business office, one day, I was sitting in my office doing my work. Suddenly I felt a prompting in my spirit, okay? So I'm doing my regular work. I'm doing my business work, software work, but I felt a prompting in my spirit. It is time to start a church in Jai Nagar. Jai Nagar is the southern part of our city, Bangalore South. I just felt in my spirit. And this is what happened. I got up from my seat. I walked across the office to the other end of the office where our admin person was sitting. And I told him, his name was Trang. So I said, Trang, just open the telephone book, find an agent in, a real estate agent in Bangalore South and tell him we want a place for a church. And you won't believe, this is what happened. He opened the phone book. In those days, we had phone books. He opened the phone book, the yellow pages. He found a first agent. He called that number and said, we're looking for an office space. We want to rent it out for the church, to start a church service. The first phone call he made, the person said, yes, I have a space, come and see it. That's it. He went, he saw the place and that became the place. Within two weeks, we started what we call as APC South or Bangalore South. But just think about it. I'm not saying every time it happens like this, but this is how it happened in these two instances. We will share other instances that were different. But just think about it. It was just another day in the office, but the Holy Spirit prompted things. Do it now. Time to start a church in Bangalore South. And I walked across, I told the admin, just open call, he did it. And one call got us a place where we started, maybe launched our church in Bangalore South. So like this, there are so many wonderful stories and I'm sure many of you have experienced how the Holy Spirit leads us in this whole process of planting a church, starting a ministry or doing something for the kingdom of God. The Holy Spirit, I mean, the Holy Spirit is leading us. We can go with great confidence. And we'll stop with this verse. Zachariah chapter four, verse six and seven, we know this as God is speaking through his prophet, Zachariah, to the, to Zerobabu. He was leading the work. Of course, there was, there are other people helping him and leading the work of rebuilding the temple. And God tells them, you know, it's not by might, it's not by power, but it's by my spirit. There's the law. And this was a physical work. They had to rebuild the temple. Now the temple had been destroyed and they had to get people together and they had to rebuild it. And God is saying that work is not by might, not by human strength, not by human power, but it's going to be done by the Holy Spirit. Of course, it's going to be done through people. But it's the work of the spirit through people in getting that work done. And so we'll talk more about this in our next class on Thursday. But I want to emphasize that in this whole process of starting a ministry, that is a church or something else that God would lead you to do. It is so important for us to depend on the leading the Holy Spirit. And you lead us in different ways. I'm not saying every time it will be the same way. Different times, different things you would lead us with. But we are depending on the Holy Spirit to lead us, to empower us, to guide us and to build the work. And when he's in it, no devil, no man can stop it. So we will continue this. We have a couple of minutes for any questions. Any thoughts, any questions? Everyone's okay? Sir, can I ask a question, sir? Go ahead, please. I'm trying to find a balance between the plans you put in place before you move back to India and the simple instruction that the Spirit of God gave you on how to start. I know it doesn't negate the plan, but it's just that sometimes our plans get in the way of fulfilling some assignments that God gives us. Yes, I think it's a learning for all of us. And it's a learning for all of us in everything. And I can tell you even now I'm learning where planning is an expression of our stewardship. It's an expression of our being responsible. So God, there is a vision. I feel called to do something. God is leading to do something. Therefore, I'm going to plan for it. I'm going to make sure that things are all in order. So for example, going back to my own case, when we had a plan and we said, okay, we didn't buy a house in the US on purpose because we needed to relocate to India or we had a car, but we said, okay, they're going to sell the car. We just tried to slowly get rid of things so that we could be in a state where we can readily move. So all that took planning. So the planning helped us make a smooth transition. And I was working in the US, so I told my company six months before, I said, see, December of 2020, I am leaving the company. I'm going to be moving to India. I won't be able to work with you. And so I was leaving a project there. I said, so you need to put somebody here. You need to find somebody. And for the company, I started interviewing people who could, so in every way, we were planning, so we're making a plan. And so that was useful because it put us ready to make the move. But we also were planning on how we are going to do the church plan. And that is where God, maybe I didn't listen properly to God while in the US as we're planning those things. Maybe, and so when we came to India and got on the ground here, things were very different and it didn't go as expected. And so we went back to praying. Thank God, okay, things are different here. What do we do? And in God's book, so I feel to whatever extent we can, we should plan, we should do our part, but in every step of the way, we should keep listening to God and be ready, be flexible, open to how He leads. So that balance, I think the key is that they open all the time. So through your plan, that's being responsible, being a good steward, and it is beneficial. But then always be open to anything the Holy Spirit says so we can just follow Him. And sometimes when you're planning, there will be inspiration so that even in the planning, the Holy Spirit can guide us. So that's how I look at it. I hope I addressed your question very well. Yeah, the last thing you said is very key for me. That's inspirational part, where He has to be part of the plans so that you don't plan outside of Him, not that you plan with a certain level of irresponsibility for that balance in there. Okay, thank you so much. You're welcome. Anybody else, any other questions? Okay, no more questions? Let's pray, we'll close and we connect again on Thursday and take the salvage. So somebody close and practice. Anyone? Father, we thank you for the class today. Thank you for our pastor, the churches. We thank you for everyone of us that you have kept this far for the past three years. Father, we thank you. Our most important day, I pray for listening here and seeing eyes in this moment that you are giving us directions for the next phase of our lives. We thank you for the words that we hear in this class of the Instructional, of the Revolutional, and we give us a set of levels of direction we need in order to make up the Lord Jesus. We commit the rest of the day to your hands and God bless everyone, for the blessings of the Lord Jesus, and pray. Amen. Thank you, thank you everyone. It was a great connecting back. I look forward to joining with the rest of this semester.