 Hey everybody, welcome to your mart. Hi, I'm Matt. Yeah, I'm well, thank you. How's things for you? We're going to talk about it when we get to what we've been up to this week, but I've been having a Linux week. It's not very good. Other than that, it's... Paying the Linux tax lawyer. Yeah. Well, actually what I'm paying is the ADD tax because really, I did not... Alright, so let's just jump into it. Normally, I let you go first when we talk about what we've been doing in Linux, but just let me get this off my track. I'm in a ranting mood, so you're just going to have to deal with me. So I've been using Oracle Linux for the last six months. It's my longest stay on a distro ever. I mean, it was... I actually had to go through and upgrade the kernel because I actually sat through a kernel and told us end of life. I'd never done that before. Usually, I hop every two or three months. And I was having some compositor problems, and I was like, well, you know what, maybe if I switch to a different distro, I'll get rid of the compositor problems. So I did. I started off with ArchLabs. That did not work. And then I said, you know what, screw this. I'm going to go back to Arco. I got that installed, but I couldn't get it to boot into the boot manager. Not the boot manager, but the display manager. And then you can tell I'm desperate because I installed the boot too. It only would have been worse if I had installed Mint, you know? I was on there for about four hours before I had serious AUR withdrawals because snaps are not good. I don't know if you know this, Martin, but when you open up a snap, it takes like 30 seconds for it to load. The loading time is so bad. Yeah. It's all decompression. It's essentially unzipping it, I think, in the background. Come on, man. I can understand them being a little slower, but that's just downright ridiculous. I thought maybe I'll try Flatpak the next time, but I just couldn't, you know, whatever. I'm just going to try Manjaro. I did end up getting Manjaro installed. That's what I'm using now. And I've had some experiences with Manjaro in the past. I just expect this to fail eventually after an update. Every time I install Manjaro after an update, it always fails. So I'm expecting within the next two or three days for this install to just completely not restart or something after an update. Add on top of that because, I mean, you remember when I first got this microphone set up, I spent, like, what, two or three weeks trying to get it to work? I finally got it to work and everything was, you know, like, it was working and it was good and I shouldn't have touched it because I'm a dumbass. And I had to go through and distro hop, so now I'm back in audio hell again. And audio on Linux is just not good. It's still, it's so bad. I mean, it's been 30 years. Alright, so I first used Linux in 2000, probably 2001. It was open SUSE. I'm like a CDRW. And audio was bad then. It is now 20 years later and it's still bad. Alright, that's enough of my rant. So what about you? What have you done this week in Linux? I'll be delving into further customisation on my KDE desktop. I'm installing the Larte dock and various other widgets and icon sets. Obviously, I got the desktop looking terrible and it just broke during my journey down that rabbit hole. So, yeah, that was my story really. I had fun though. That was the main thing. When I first started using KDE, I broke it a lot too. It's one of those things where you just kind of have to break it in order to put it back together, I think. To be fair, it's because I was on the KDE Plasma distro, which is quite high in the rankings. But I think KDE even say, well, it's not really good enough for a daily driver. So I just went back on to FurnoS, which is fine. Nice and easy setup really. 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So each and every week, each of us come up with a one-on-one link each for like news-ish kind of stuff. So Martin, what link did you find for us this week? Yeah, it was Mozilla, love them or hate them recently. So they set up their VP, well they haven't set it up, they set it back up in July. The VPN service made it available for Android, iOS and Windows. And now they've released it to Linux and macOS users. They reckon it's low price. I don't know about your VPN prices on there, but I've got five books a month. Does that sit about well, about right? I think I saw one for $40 a year. Yeah, I think I pay about £32 a year with private internet access, which I do quite right. So product details, blah, blah, blah, connect five devices with one subscription. That should just be a given to be fair, if not more. So 280 plus service, 30 countries and 40 plus cities. I don't know whether you cap your VPNs over there, but I've got no bandwidth restrictions. Interestingly enough, no logging of your network activity. Fours easy to use, can be quite fast, but obviously depending where you live, if you're in cities and Trusted Mozilla name. So for a question mark by that, but there you go. A couple of against I've got is it doesn't... I mean, I don't know this for certain already on the internet. Doesn't unblock US Netflix, Amazon Prime Video or Disney Plus. It's got few features, barely only custom configuration options. Encryption and IP address obfuscation. Mozilla VPN uses wire guard even and zero network activity is logged to service. So if speed and security approaches to you, the five books a month may be reasonable. My biggest problem with it is that it's not through Mozilla. They're just rebranding someone else's stuff, right? Yeah, basically, yeah. It bothers me a bit, because I mean, not only do you have to trust Mozilla, which is, you know, iffy these days, but you also trust the small bad company or whatever to... I mean, they say they don't log any network activity, but I mean, how do you really know? Well, let's wait till someone's rather naughty and they get subpoenaed for the information. We'll see exactly. I'm guessing the company's in some... based in some random country like that, but I'm guessing if they're operating services on US soil and things like that. We can only see, I mean, different places. I don't know their name any. They've said they don't log it and things like that and they've soon coughed up information to the authorities. We'll see, some of those suck it and say then, but if you're up to dodgy things, basically, Mozilla's the way to go till we see exactly how to the word they are. How about yourself? What news caught your eye this week? All right, so I've never actually used Tails before, but basically what Tails is for anybody who doesn't know is that it's a Linux distribution that lives on a USB stick and it's completely focused on security. It's kind of like the Tor browser version of Linux. It's completely... it doesn't remember any of your safe states. It's all containerized and stuff. It's very interesting, but this week it came out that they're looking to migrate their entire stack over to Wayland instead of Xorg to improve app security. And I just thought that it was interesting because I think more and more this year we're going to see Wayland kind of come to the front. Now I know Disturtube did a video today where he was poo-pooing Wayland, but I know like Steam has gone through and done a whole bunch of work to get Wayland, like Wayland gaming working, and I know that Nvidia just signed on to make Nvidia graphics drivers work better with Wayland and I know that the AMD open source drivers work fairly well with Wayland. I mean, we're seeing this kind of... It's taken 10 years, but finally we're getting some momentum into the point where Wayland seems to be kind of finally coming to the point where maybe we might be seeing it in some more mainstream distributions. It'd be interesting to see if we see something... I mean, I complain about Linux Mint being not unique enough for Ubuntu. It'd be very interesting to see them say, we're going to make Wayland default. And then all of a sudden, Linux Mint has a reason to not focus on the Debian edition. I know Debian itself has been focusing a lot on Wayland as well, so it would be interesting to see how that goes down as well. I want to try Tales because I think Tales would be kind of interesting to... Literally, it's just a Linux distribution you carry around in your pocket. You go to the library and you don't want to use Windows 98 computer or something that's at the library. You pop this in and you have a full Linux distribution that's completely containerized, so it's really interesting. I doubt Wayland... I'm sorry, carry on. I was going to say, and you saved the £5 for the VPN off of Mozilla if you're just using this. Very true. You don't have to worry about anything else. It looks very fascinating. I'm going to give it a try. Obviously, in these days and age, that scenario is not realistic because nobody goes anywhere anymore. Eventually, maybe we'll be able to go out to the library and do that kind of stuff. Yeah, but it's nice as well if you literally... some people obviously just stick to the one browser and things like that, but it may well be a case that you don't want to see these adverts popping up or anything. They're ad blockers and everything like that. Or use Brave for whatever. But yeah, at the end of the day, if you just want to go shopping and do the odd thing online without just looking over your shoulder, whether it's obviously for the correct reasons, I mean, everyone's got that right, really. Yeah, it does look good. I must admit, I've never used it really, I've used something similar. Obviously, if you do go on the tour network, obviously your internet is a lot slower because you're hopping, you're basically bridges and hopping from internet to internet. So I mean, don't expect to sit around watching YouTube videos, really. Yeah, like you say, it's ideal. Just pop it in your pocket. And if you're on the PCs, it's not your own. You know, it's secure in it. It's volatile as soon as you pull it out or leave it behind. Yeah, it's just one of those things. I know there's other alternatives out there, something like, I think there's something called like CubesOS or something that's kind of similar to this. I know, I listened to a podcast about that before. Anyway, so let's move on to the main topic. So the main topic this week is something that we've covered before, I think, back when Ricky and I were doing the podcast. But I just thought we'd kind of do it and talk about it a little bit. GTK versus QT. Now, recently, GTK 4.0 was, I believe it was either finalized or went into beta or something. So we're looking at a kind of a re-emergence of the GTK versus QT because QT6 is also going to be coming up in the next year or so. So when you're installing a desktop environment, a lot of times, really what you're choosing between is GTK and QT. So Martin, you're a big KDE guy. And I've always been a big KDE guy. So I was wondering if there's a reason why you and I seem to kind of go towards the design language of QT instead of something like GTK, which is about the gnome and, you know, budgie and all those different design environments we rely on. So what are your thoughts on this? Well, it's simple, really, in my mind. So I mean, you've just got to name a couple of the desktops. KDE, Plasma, Deepin, Ubuntu, Kylin. Use GTK. Sorry, use QT. Obviously, KDE does use, I think, a bit of GTK also. But I've got that totally the wrong way. No, that's right, isn't it? Yeah, QT. Yeah, KDE, Plasma. Yeah, there's some GTK stuff in there, yeah. Yeah, I mean, KDE uses a bit of both, obviously. But, yeah, just straight out of the box. It just looks fine, I mean. As you know, you can theme stuff to all you want. I mean, Covantum as well, you can use QT to get it themed and stuff like that. I'm sure you could do it with GTK, but I mean, GTK, I mean, some of the desktop environments use that, so we've got like Budgie, Cinnamon, Mate, XFCE, Pantheon doesn't look too bad, but then again, they're still quite heavily themed anyway, but yeah, I'm quite happy with QT. I mean, there was talk of memory, one's more memory, one's less memory, but I'd like to think that, but they're probably owning all the creases out there as we advance on through. So my takeaway is kind of similar in that QT seems to be much easier to theme. Maybe that's just more of a KDE thing, that they've just kind of built that into their desktop environment, but it seems that they, but because of the way the framework is built or whatever, KDE's been allowed to go through and build in theming, which is something that GNOME and all these other things kind of have to hack on to the top of the framework in order to get it to work. So I mean, like if you're using GNOME, and we talked about this, I think it was even last week where we're talking about theming. If you use GNOME, the theming is kind of like set on top of it and it's kind of really hacky, and GNOME has gone through and said, you know, it's not that great and we're going to tear it out and all this stuff, whereas the cute guys and KDE specifically have kind of built it in stuff, so really it's kind of really all about theming, but from a, if you look at it from like a developer standpoint, now I get to remember I'm not a developer or a designer, like even like a minuscule a little bit. Like negative. If it was possible to be an anti-developer, that would be me. But from everything that I've read, GTK seems to be easier to code for, mostly because the framework is more, I guess I'm going to say simple, like the tools that they use to design their apps and to deal with outputting the appearance of their apps seem to be more refined and simplistic than what you find on the cute end. Whether or not that's true, like I said, I don't know, I'm not, I have any experience with those things, it's just things that I've read on the internet, so of course it's going to be true. Oh, of course. Yeah, yeah, right. So, really when I use a desktop environment, I always preferred the KDE that uses cute, mostly because of the things and things, but I've also noticed that a lot of the times KDE and the cute stuff is faster and uses less resources than GTK. Now, I know a lot of people say it's the other way around. And I also know that a lot of people say that it's GNOME that gives GTK a bad name because there's a lot of GTK desktop environments where Mate uses it and it's fast. The Pantheon uses it and it's fast and Cinnamon uses it and it's fast. So maybe it's just GNOME that gives it a bad name, but every time I use it, it seems like it's a little bit slower than what I experienced on the KDE side. Whether or not that's quantifiable and you can go say, you know, this uses 200 megs of RAMs less or whatever, I don't know about all that. It's just feel-wise, it feels that the cute stuff is quicker. Yeah, well, I mean, QT with the desktop environments like UKUI, LXQT, I mean, that's one of the lightest ones you can get, I think, if you're not going to go for stuff like OpenBox and things like that. LXQT definitely went up on my old laptop from 2009 to get that up and running. I mean, I didn't put anything much heavier on it, but like I say, I mean, QT's supposed to have the least memory, but I think as we go down the line and the years that the amount of processing speed that we're getting, I don't think... it's probably going to be marginal. No, with the RAM comparisons. I mean, obviously, things like that we've all pulled up an app that we've got used to in a different history on it, whether it's GTK or QT and I opened it up and just thought, oh my God, that looks absolutely horrible. It's usually QT. I pulled something else up and I thought, oh my God, what's going on here? Before I even knew about all the theming and different things like that, it's just a case of, well, that didn't look like that before. Is it an old version? But obviously it was GTK or QT, whichever and I just didn't have it set up. But again, I mean, it all depends how you want your system. It's infinite, isn't it? What you can do with theming and stuff like that. Well, and it's not as if you're on GNOME, you can't install a Qt program or go the other way around. Yeah. That's the good thing about Linux, although they use competing frameworks or whatever. You can still install a GTK app on KDE and it works just fine because KDE has gone through and done the work to make that stuff kind of look... Yeah, it looks like you followed it up, haven't it? Yeah. And that's gotten way better in the last few years because it used to be the case. I mean, you could still use them. They didn't have all the features that you would experience if you used a GTK app on a GTK supported desktop environment. We don't have to really get into this, but it always just seems to me, and this is just me beating on GNOME again, but it always seems like if you want to go to a forward-leaning desktop environment, it's always going to be KDE because they're always developing stuff, they're always coming through and refining things and making things better. GNOME just seems to stay the same. I mean, I guess if you want stability. That may not even be true anymore because the GNOME 40s looks like it's finally going to get a design refresh, which is good. I don't know, maybe we're coming to a point where the Linux desktop is going to be exciting again or you could just use a window manager like I do. All right, let's jump into the apps of the week. You have an app of the week for us. Yeah, so I've got quite RSS, quite RSS, so it's written in C++ and QT. It's a great little RSS feed reader. It's clean, easy to use interface with all the usual features including tags, ad block, share button if you want to send it to Twitter, Reddit, or Facebook if that's your jam if people bother with Facebook nowadays. But yes, really good. It's just, I mean, it's been a while since I've done an RSS feeder and I forgot how actual good they are just for condensing your news down into literally a readable format instead of just opening up a folder with your various news or open up your tabs or just flick through one. But yeah, it's really nice little RSS feed reader with all the main features that you need and it's quite recommended. How about yourself? What have you got on us for us this week? All right, so as everybody knows, Mozilla came out and pretty much pissed off everybody by saying they wanted to determine truth on the internet or whatever. I mean, I did a video on it. I think everybody, every Linux YouTuber did a video on it. So I've been looking for something to switch to. I'm still using Firefox as my main one because it's like the only alternative unless you want to use Chrome. I looked at Brave. I haven't been impressed with Brave. It would probably be the one that I'll end up switching to. But if you're into keyboard-centric navigation, Qt browser probably is the one that you might want to go with. Especially if you don't do syncing between your phone and your desktop. I happen to do those things, so Qt browsers might not be the one that I switched to. But I've been using it quite a bit. And basically what this is, is just a frame with a web page in it. And you do all of your navigation with your keyboard, the VIM keys and key bindings and stuff like that. You're not supposed to use your mouse at all. I mean, you can use your mouse, but it's meant to be done completely with your keyboard. It's of the one of the browsers that work like this. So there's a few of them. There's like surf and there's the min browser. And there's the, I think there's one called the Vi browser, VIM browser or something. Those are all fairly slow. Q browser, it's not as fast as Firefox or Chrome, but it's not something where you'll say, like five minutes later, YouTube still has not loaded. This one was really fairly snappy. It loads faster than snaps, I'm just saying. So yeah, Q browser is mine. And it's still being developed, unlike some of the other ones that I just listed. So yeah, that is mine. So that was a really short episode, but it was really good. I think most people, Martin, really don't care about GTK versus Q, but it's kind of like a nerdy little topic that we just talked about. Yeah. I mean, should we pad it out a bit and just talk about browsers or Brave mode as well? Is that what you use as Brave? What browser do you use? I'm just curious. Well, to be fair, it's going to give you Q-dust. I'm not giving us a command line app this week. Oh, Q browser. It seems an absolute nightmare. It's going through your feed or your YouTube subscriptions with your keyboard shortcuts clicking on it. To me, it seems a torture. See, I go through on every browser that I do and install something called Vemkeys and it allows me to navigate my browser with a keyboard. So I do that anyway. So I'm just used to it. I think it comes down to the using of a window manager. Once you switch to a window manager, you're kind of prodded into using your keyboard to navigate everywhere. And you've got them all in your memory. Yeah. And while I still do, I still have a problem where sometimes I use my mouse, like the muscle memory. Every once in a while, but most of the time I'm just using my keyboard and while I wouldn't say it's faster, it's just different. It's kind of like the difference between a controller and a keyboard in a game. One's not necessarily better than the other. It's just which one you're more used to. Because I'm not a gamer at all. I'm more of a developer than I am a gamer. I'm just saying that. And we know how much of a developer I am, which is negative. But I can play with both. It doesn't bother me at all because I'm not a good gamer. Every once in a while I'll play. Like yesterday I subscribed to Google Stadia and tried to play in Firefox, did you? Like Google Stadia doesn't play in Firefox, so I had to download Chromium for like five seconds. Chromium. Yeah. Yeah. And that did not last long because at least on Arch, or on ArchBase distros, and on whatever subsystem Manjaro uses to manage preferred applications, I'm assuming it's probably like Xfce or something. I downloaded Chromium and it automatically set itself as the default browser. Like, come on man, that's horrible. Every day it goes by I hit Google a little bit more. And I can explain to you really quickly. I don't know if you watched this video but I did one of the videos I did. I said the word Google at the end of it and the Google home I have in my room and my phone started listening. And guess what? About 30 seconds ago I said the word Google, my phone's sitting here listening to me. Like right now. Like, it's so stupid. So yeah, I've been... Yeah, I've turned that off on my phone. The OK Google... Oh, sorry, if anyone's got it on. OK, geez. But the problem is, I think, with the Stadia and the actual controllers, I've saw a couple of videos on how to actually turn the microphone off. And I think it consists of using a Dremel to actually get in. Because I think it is on by default. Much like your device is anyway. But it's a case of you want just a switch, whether it's hardware or software, just to flick it across just to not listen. It's not that you're going up to anything, you just don't want stuff like this being transferred across. Just on the other side of Brave, I mean, I use Brave as quite happy. I mean, obviously don't sign up to any of the reward system with the bloody bad thing, which is point this. So I'd went on and I thought, let's get this into cryptocurrency and get these bat tokens. I'll get this and I'll get that. I think after about two weeks, I've made about $2. And I just thought, sod that for the amount of time. Yes, I'll give it its props. It is good at blocking ads, I must admit. I've got ad blockers on Firefox and silly things like eBay. You've always got the odd silly ad down the bottom unless you delve a bit further and maybe get a couple more. But Brave just takes everything away. I think there's been talk sometimes of replacing the odd ad, maybe I'm making that up. But from my experience, in terms of blocking ads and stuff like that, just so you can actually read a webpage without having copious amounts of clutter to scroll past. Yeah, I would thumbs up to Brave till I find something else. There's that many out there and yeah, I think a lot of people have just had enough of, I think there's a bit of an exodus from Firefox. Yeah, I know there definitely is. So there's what I want to know, and I'm going to do a video on this I think, but I want to know is why there aren't more forks of Firefox. Firefox is completely open source. Way more open source than Chromium is because Chromium, I mean, sure Chromium is open source but it still relies on a whole bunch of stuff from Google. And while there is a version of Firefox or Chromium out there that's apparently un-Googled or whatever, they still had to go through and do that process. I wonder why there's not more forks of Firefox out there. I found two. I mean, I know there's Pale Moon but Pale Moon looks like it was developed for Windows 3.1. I mean, come on. I'm not using this. But the two that I've tried or tried to try, I guess, is LibreWolf and WaterFox. And the WaterFox one, I couldn't get to build at all. I don't know if it's not being developed or maybe it's just some weird quirk of the way Arch Linux tries to build things. I don't know. And LibreFox will not remember cookies at all. So I understand that cookies are bad and evil and all this stuff and that they use trying to make sure everybody knows they're being tracked and stuff. And I'm one of those people like, I don't want to have to re-sign into Google every time I want to go to YouTube. I also don't want to re-sign into Facebook or Twitter or any of those things. I want to remember once I've signed in that I've signed in. I know that's probably, that's not the most secure, false way to do things. I want that to happen because it's convenient. I use these long complicated passwords. I don't want to have to type it in every time I go through and go to a website, whether it's a good website or a bad website, it doesn't matter. So that was, I usually read well for about, I don't know, two hours. And I just got completely sick of it not remembering anything because it didn't even remember like zoom level. So you go to like a place where you want to read an article and you zoom in. And because their text or whatever is like five point, and you navigate away and you come back later to read another article or something, it should remember that you've zoomed in. I mean, that's just, but LibreWolf doesn't because it doesn't want to, it doesn't want to store that data because it's completely privacy focused. And that's probably great for, you know, one time use, but for daily use it was kind of a pain in the butt. So I'm still using Firefox. Yeah. And me, I've been exporting my, exported all my bookmarks last night and transferred them over to Brave. It's quite easy. Did that to be fair. I think the problem with your Firefox for, because these are security updates and things like that. Because I mean, obviously Mozilla though people are forking it and things like that. So I mean, they're going to try and throw a spanner in the works till people get the head round getting it up and running. So I mean, the main thing is the security updates. I mean, it depends on your value, your security really. I mean, if you go into other browsers and things like that, it's going to be your priority. And if you're having two, well, one month, two months out of date security settings. It's not very good really. I mean, yeah, something's up. Brilliant sync, things like that to your phone. I mean, I'm currently looking where I've got Brave. Vivaldi's quite good. I quite enjoy that. That's got to, have you ever used Vivaldi at all? I have used Vivaldi and I would probably switch to Vivaldi because I like their user interface. I would switch to them if they were open source. And I know it's stupid just not to use something that's, you know, because it's not open source, but I just kind of want my browser to be open source, completely open source. I'll probably give it another try because I do like the way their interface, at least on the desktop. Do you know if their mobile app now will sync tabs? Because the last time I tried it, I couldn't sync tabs between the desktop and the mobile. And that's really the one feature I need is something where I can switch because I always do that. It's like every all time. Yeah. I mean, it was working perfect for me. Whether I'd cleared my remote data on my computer and it kept on my phone. So I mean, I've got to look at it a bit deeper in that, but I mean, interested you enjoyed Vivaldi because I mean, obviously you like to do things a hard way because when I started Vivaldi, I was like, oh my God, this is so busy and there's that amount of options. I mean, at the time, my PC was relatively slow. I've updated since. So I mean, Vivaldi is a heavy browser. Let's face it. It is. I mean, it's got so many features to it. I mean, I don't know about in the States, but over here, if you get your shopping delivered, you literally have to sit there and just watch your screen and wait for a slot to appear with Vivaldi. Let me just pull Vivaldi up. This is great radio, isn't it? I just want to get the proper name of it. You see, Internet Vivaldi. What is it called? So I mean, you can pin essentially mobile tabs to the left of your screen. So you can have your main page that you're looking at. And on the left is essentially your mobile screen. So you can leave things running on there. You can stick YouTube on there while you're doing a work. Yeah. I know you can have picture-in-picture. I've tried it with Plex, just having it running in there. Or if you're keeping an eye on sports course while you're working away. It's just a nice little feature. There's untold features. If you go in there. But that was a really good feature. I did like just pin in my a web-based version of a mobile web page just on your screen. And you could just carry on and just have that to the left or right or up or down, whichever way you want it. But yeah, I did quite like the Vivaldi. I did go off it, like you say, with the sync was having some issues. I mean, I'd like to stick the probably fixer now and that was possibly more user error. But yeah, I mean, I quite like Vivaldi. But yeah, give it a spin. Yeah, this is going to seem superficial, but I liked it because I could put the tabs on the bottom. I like customizing the... When I'm going to use a GUI interface, I want to be able to customize it. That's the reason why I like Firefox because I can go through and change the whole thing because it's all controlled through CSS. Anyways, that was a nice little chat about browsers. We should definitely talk about that a little bit more. But I think we should call this a day. All the contact information there was at the front, but just remember to subscribe to the YouTube channel. We really do appreciate any of those support where you give us there. Our podcast is available on YouTube. It's also available on Spotify and Apple iTunes and Pocket Casts and pretty much... I think we're available on like 10 or 12 different places where you can subscribe. We are also... There's an open source podcast player. I don't remember what the name of it is, but we are in there as well. 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