 Haven't signed in please do so Okay, good. All right, we're gonna bring the meeting to order at 702 Welcome everybody to the town of Williston's development review board for Tuesday, November 27th Four things on the agenda for tonight We do usually start off with a public forum if there's anything that anybody would like to bring to the attention of the board Or talk to the board about that is not on the agenda now your chance Yeah, okay, so we're gonna get through that first up is DP 19-05. It's a pre-app for Michael and Jessica Brissett. Are you here? You don't see their engineer Who's their engineer? Okay. All right We're gonna skip DP 19-05 For the time being Um Next on next on is DP 19-06 the pre-app for more ways moving in storage They're here. You're here. Come on up Hero Lamar on Dickinson 14 more strive Essex Hi, Deaclare more ways moving in storage 150 crop drive Williston Justin more way 150 crop drive will listen to mom Great welcome All right, the staff's gonna go first Hey So this is a request for pre-application review. It's to develop a new site with mini storage facility access drives outdoor lighting Off of shun pike road in the industrial zoning district west This is the first time this proposal has been reviewed by the DRB This proposal is a proposed development of one of the lots proposed as part of the robert subdivision of 55 acres It's just worth noting that the robert subdivision has been through discretionary permit review with the DRB But has not had final plans approved yet This is the lot as if it was approved and and essentially our advice to the We can begin pre-application Discretionary permit review without the lot being created But final plans for robert subdivision would have to be in place prior to final plans being signed off on for the development of this lot So that's what's going on there The two are the two are connected So the proposed use is mini warehouses We would call this under North American industry classification system code 532 Rental and leasing is a use for the property and that is listed as an allowed use in the industrial zoning district west There's seven buildings proposed on the site If you've ever seen mini warehouse facility the proposed buildings would look very much like any other mini warehouse facility With roll-up doors little bit of exterior lighting on the building Haven't around the site None of these buildings are proposed to exceed or come anywhere close to the town's 36 foot limit on building height So the site as of today is undeveloped entirely we need to be cleared and graded prior to the development with the proposed buildings There will be outdoor lighting is for part of this application We're at the pre-application stage right now, which is a concept level review. So we don't have a fully formed lighting plan at this stage. We just advise as we've all Shielded completely downward-facing and meet the lighting requirements of the town's bylaws which deal with intensity uniformity Timing and a few other aspects of lighting As a new development this project is subject to the landscape buffer requirements in the bylaw and the applicant has shown a site plan with various setbacks and the Buildings and a street tree type section along the shun pike road frontage There's no outdoor storage proposed as part of this Our wetlands present on the site to the rear and you can see them on the site plan including an identified 50 foot buffer So there's no development proposed within that buffer area on this site The proposed access here is via curb cut on shun pike road just one curb cut and The applicant is proposing to build a section of pedestrian access in the proposed easement from the robert subdivision Since a 10-foot wide multi-use in terms of traffic staff would not necessarily recommend a full traffic study for this particular site There was traffic work done for the robert subdivision overall But staff would recommend that some estimated trip generation numbers be provided to the DRB as part of discretionary permit review We don't generally see many storages as generating a whole heck of a lot of PM peak hour trip ends People tend to come and go throughout the day throughout the week Not tied necessarily to the time of day There's not really any designated parking proposed on the site the way most people use many storages is to pull up and access their Unit so that it's not like there's sort of an offsite parking lot That would go with this there is a small proposed Office or kiosk proposed that might warrant having one or two parking spaces adjacent to it just to give people a place to pull in But that's about it There is stormwater treatment proposed as part of this property along the northern edge And this is in the sewer service area So any any need for service would involve connecting to municipal water and wastewater service again Really be for that small office discretionary permit will need to show Utilities and snow storage this project is not in the town's design review district So not subject to design review Design review district does touch on Marshall have very near to this But this this is on shun pipe, which is not in that district and this project was submitted to police fire and public works for review and Also was reviewed by the conservation Commission and the conservation Commission and public works recommendations made as part of their review are recommended by staff to be adopted as Reapplication recommendations by the DRB Other than that we would be Recommending that the DRB adopted motion allowing this project to proceed to discretionary permit review with those motions and With those recommendations and I will stop there Okay your So just to kind of give you an overview of how the site will function there is an office space But it's really not it's not going to be banned and we're not even proposing you have water and sewer services There'll be a chaos People that are wanting to rent a unit will either do so online Fill out their information And Yes, that well originally we were going to put an office, but but just the kiosk if we don't need the office anymore correct One other thing that we have talked about with staff The DRB's thoughts on or at least present to you at this time would be that as far as lighting goes There would be lighting on the ends of the building and at the gate That would be on a hundred percent all of the time the lighting on the north and the south sides of the building So in between where the units are located that would be dimmed But the lights at the ends of the building would identify to people that number one. This is a open facility It wouldn't be totally dark as you're driving by people wouldn't be hesitant to enter the facility It would also provide some security lighting having the end lit where you can look down the lengths of the buildings whether it's A customer or the police department and then if somebody comes in the lights between the buildings Where the entrances to the mini storage units are located those lights would come on with any activity Matt is that how does that square with our lighting policy? I thought we had to have a Shut shutdown period well our normal lighting standard ties to what we call parking lot lighting So we talk about things like dimming like 75% half hour after and a half hour up to a half hour before business hours But we do have facilities in town like this one that are essentially 24-7 So in general we either can look at the motion detector lights as Andy described under our security lighting provisions Which the bylaw does have and otherwise, you know, you there are some you can have some level of lighting on When you're not open, but we would really look at this facility as being open all the time And therefore able to be lit at some level like a parking lot level You know through the evening So I think there's a couple ways under the bylaw depending on on how the light timing and how much is motion detector And how bright the lights are at the ends of the buildings I think that I think there's a couple avenues in the bylaw to permit that Either end of each building correct Inning or those would not be dim those would be on all the time Everything would be downward LED And then I mean because of the the height of the buildings the height the lights aren't going to be terribly high And then there's and then there's a proposal to have some form of Motion sensor on other in between the buildings so that way when they're trying to get to their units They can see but those would come on with activity and then shut off I want to have an auto dimming light on the ends of the buildings as well because it's a safety thing I mean, we've already know that there are squatters in the woods behind it And as a female if I was going to go in to access my storage at night, and it was completely dark I wouldn't access it that would make me nervous having something If you had a if you had the lights on the end of the buildings where they're you know say they're a hundred percent when When there's motion, but then they dim down to 25 percent somebody drives up and then they go back up Right, but if you're driving past there, and it's dark You're not going to pull in to turn that light on because it's dark And you don't know who's hiding behind there who could be hiding behind one of the other buildings That is it's it's a safety issue You're asking people to go into a completely dark area. I think I don't know what's what's there Okay, so I what about having a what about having a motion sensor at the gate when somebody pulls in and then it all comes up That would be what's triggering the lights in between the buildings either motion or actually I'm just trying to talk this out So I mean having a completely dark Lot with storage a it's not safety our cameras aren't gonna be able to catch if someone's in there trying to break into someone's unit and Be it's it's a safety issue like if somebody jumps the fence or is in behind there, and you have somebody in there That's a liability. I mean That's not safe, and I can tell you that I've seen dark facilities, and I would not enter that facility Which means I would not If it's dark you're not gonna pull into something that's dark hoping that it's gonna turn on If you have it at the gates or not Let him finish Well, he said to have it at the gate so if they don't go in that gate and they jump over the fence and it's not gonna turn Just another one of the motion sensors It's sort of like when you go to the brochures when you walk down the aisle and all of a sudden all the lights in the Frozen food section start popping on as you're walking down the aisle So like I said if you come in the front entrance it turns on that light Because that's I'm asked why you would turn on all the end lights then as a person drives down the aisle and it turns into one of the Say I'll to Then thousands of come on my question is Your system is designed to come on if an individual comes over at any point correct Right now it's designed for the outside lights to be on all the time and just for the middle So even the corner lights are on there's nobody there So the person climbs over the fence and gets down one of the aisles, which is not Motion sensor wouldn't those turn those lights on that individual walking down that I'll wait yes or no That's on essence. I mean basically any motion would turn the lights on in the facility, correct Yeah, but again, I wouldn't pull into something if it's dark So it's not gonna be light until you pull in to set off the motion In the What proposed lot this is because I don't we don't have a visual of which lot of The subdivision this will be right. We just have Okay, so it's this one here Okay So you'll have the driveway going through yours to access the rear I Do you know what the standard is or can you provide the board with the standard of what lighting The what the lighting is for a mini storage facility Like like what's the what's the industry standard for lighting is there one at night? These things are all over the place, you know throughout the United States what there's got to be a standard I'm sure this one Illumines One one to one point two-foot candles average. It's what we would be how does that how does how does that? Out of those lumens compared to what you're proposing. We don't have a lighting There needs to have the board's initial take on this issue was what we were proposing to have the lights on the end of the Building at a hundred percent all the time and have the lights in between the building Sorry just to orient myself are the two lots adjacent to your lot and across the street are those resident Are any are there any residential lots that surround this You'll have your chance What's the response is there is some residential Metal manufacturing use again, there may be a residential component to that as well. Yeah, I feel like across the street there There's residences that have some commercial uses. Is that right and not? Completely commercial so they're correct If you have something to add if you could stand up and just state your name for the record Yeah, Sean Bryant. I live at 223 shown plate, which is next door to this So there's that one in my father's place right next to that correct those are residential Thank you Yes, and you might my comment would be that this is pre-app so you're looking for kind of The temperature of the board here. Yes, I'm hearing people concerned about You know security I can speak to myself certainly that you know security is something I think we needed to address We're all or I'm concerned about Lighting up the night here for something that's gonna get very limited use overnight. So we don't necessarily just want to light up this lot all the time like a parking lot So I'm sure I would be willing to to consider Proposals that show kind of how you're keeping minimal amounts of light for needed for security reasons that they can come on When people need to use it for functional Purposes, but I don't think we want I'd be very hesitant to put bright lights on all night no, and I again, I guess I Would Ask you to keep in mind that these buildings aren't very high So the lights can only be mounted so high on them and if they're cut off fixtures They can only cast a light out so far. I mean how far they cast the light out as a function of the Alphabetrics, but also really a function of how high you can get them I'm also concerned about some of the things I've heard that Trying to figure out the line between security lighting and advertising you know I Wouldn't drive in there, you know if I if it's dark I'm not going to drive in there while you're trying to attract people in there Or is it because of security and I'm not going to argue one way or the other But I think you need to be able to explain that at the next at the next level Well, what where's the line between security and making it so everybody knows that building's there all night Well, we can also talk to the police department and know in another site another town You know the police department was interested in being able to see down the aisles to see whether there was any activity When you get to how many foot handles are there and when are they on and how are they operated? I think those all need to be part of a pretty comprehensive Police officers can drive in and look down between the buildings because that is where The actual action is going to be taking place It's not going to take place on the hands Because I What come right? You're only gonna have access to looking down the end of the building So I mean like I said, we can ask the police department whether they're interested in driving into the site, but I Don't want to speak to him. I don't know whether they'll be interested in doing that or not Yeah, I'm just saying if they went down the access road They can drive down that access road is going to be a lot Once the access road is there, yeah, maybe you can try that look right in They don't even need to have lights on because they can turn on their their spots We don't know how long it'll be until that's done too, so Okay. All right. That's that seems like we seem to cover the light the light issue Anybody else on anything else have any comments on the lighting? Yes So I see one two three buildings seven Is what you're talking about with that include lights on the end of building seven No, there's no no paved area there it would be This may have come up the last hearing when I that I missed but the the proposed 20-foot wide pedestrian easement Along the front edge is that so that's in addition to the 10-foot wide path So it was why provide another 20 feet for pedestrian pedestrian easement well the 20-foot pedestrian easement was requested by Public works with the original subdivision So right now it seems like overkill it seems like the 10-foot path is sufficient, right? You don't need another 20 feet for well right now We're showing the 10-foot path the position of the 10-foot path is really being driven by the clear zone off the utility So it's not occupying all of the 20-foot easement. It's Occupying about five feet of it, but this would be this would be in the deed This would be a recorded easement, you know, why would you need that if you've got you know the path there? Oh, I see because it's not entirely within the right within the right, right? And at the time public works was asking for a 20-foot easement along the front edge Not knowing where it would be this is where it was presented to public works We didn't get any comments back from them on the location of the the path in relation to the right of way So the idea isn't that they would this path we get widened over time. It's just it's just a little extra room, correct Can you do a walk-through on just this the stormwater treatment for the site? I mean, it's an interesting site in that It's all impervious surface so right We haven't done a full rating playing yet, but we've at least look at preliminary grading and what we were looking into He was having a high spot here We're in the runoff is being directed from the rooftops down to the end into a grass will come to the front Under the driveway into an infiltration area here grass will go on the side. We provide the pretreatment Same thing back here Except we're going to have a fight from this side over to the infiltration area here So you've got a pretreatment area here a pretreatment area here But the back out of the site coming into this area the soil mostly sand. Yes. Yeah Okay So so no issue with infiltration And that's a little different than what you've got drawn here I mean, I don't see any pretreatment marked on the plan on the no We've just identified the tracing is how it's going to get there will show with the discretionary permit application So are you treating it on both sides because this is pretreatment at the front? But no treatment area or is that just preliminary piece right and be treated on the sides infiltrating here and here and We've both lately also potentially have an overflow from here to the back Just because there's no storm water system along Shunt Lake Road, and if that area fills up We want to make sure that has a place to go We were talking about that just prior to the meeting Even though the fence is show tight to the edge of the pavement We'll move it back much closer to the property so that there's some snow storage along the edge of the pavement and then some additional Areas in front and in the back Right No, and if there were any large trucks, they would most likely have to come in here Piction It's in the pre-treatment areas and again, that's why we would have this area tied to the one in the back It's reasonable treatment areas. Yes. Usually you try not to put it in the infiltration areas because you're taking up capacity if there was a Rainfall in the wintertime. You don't want that capacity to lay out by snow storage Interesting chain link fence Chain link and what type of fence? No, I mean it'll be the we're working with a self-storage company that does all of the fencing So it'll be the standard self-storage fencing which will have a gate in the front and kind of like a chain link fence Right exactly. I would have to check the standard, but I think I don't think it'll be anything more than six feet Questions for the board or questions from the board for the applicant anybody When you plan in each trees along the front of the Building on John bike. There will be trees in the front. Yes You'd have to meet the street street tree spacing requirements. Yes, just I Matt touched on this when you were when he was Giving his introduction and you touched on it to just walk me through how the the self-service works How's how's that system going to work the kiosk? It's the same. There's other self-storage companies in Chattanooga do the same thing It's basically it's a kiosk kind of like when you go to an ATM machine. It'll act as an ATM machine. So it will Just you can sign your contract there you can make your payments for your units It will give you your key your lock that you need for the units It will give you the code to be able to access the units once your Application is complete and you've been assigned a unit. So it'll do all the assigning take the payments Do everything that a person would do but it does it as a it basically looks like an ATM machine. It's a square Would that kiosk be located at the area designated as office on the site plan? It would be it'd be inside there because it would need to be kept out of the element so it would be inside of the office area So they could walk in they could be out of the out of the elements as well. They could do the kiosk machine So would if somebody were to drive in Where would they where would they park right with it? They would block one of the access Where would you envision them park exit the vehicle? Going to the building Well, they would most Entrance would be here so and then there'd be another gate here So you'd have them park here to be able to access that and then once they can get their code then they would drive through So it would be here. I mean, it's not like there'll be Lots of people accessing it at once. It may be a car So we'll have you know enough room where a car or two could park here to have access That's the room that I think should be lit 24-7 because One is going to be quote out of the weather isn't I'm assuming you're gonna have a glass so people can actually look in to see if There's someone in there before they walk in correct No, right now. It's a door, but Talk about don't be windows in the door. Yes. Yes Before you decide to enter that Well lit correct That there is that's About a security issue that's the place that you expect to potentially find someone in Right I'm sorry to beat a dead horse on this. You're fine Every time you come in do you have to access this kiosk or no? No once you have your unit You can come and go whatever you want. So you're not gonna have to go to the office each time It's just no it's just the initial and then also when you're done with it to do your checkout and put your final check out So, how do you open the gate? I'm sorry, maybe it's a key code So they'll be given a code to say your codes one two three four and get out of your car you Punch it exactly and then that the gate will open and no clothes is behind you exactly Is it gonna be proxen enough so that you could drive up to it and just roll your window down and punch the code Or do you have to actually get out of your car a little bit? I mean it will depend on you know Once we get a little further. We'll know I mean the plan is to be able to Access it from your vehicle, but depending on the size of your vehicle if you're coming with a u-haul you may have to get out So, I mean it's gonna we're gonna try to put it in a location That's as convenient as possible, but depending on the vehicle they may have to get out It is Right in correct That's the one gate. That's the only gate that's movable the other gate is just as a ending gate on this side How often will you go and? Check the kiosk or I mean are people leaving cash there, or they're just giving you a credit card number or yeah, it's usually all credit card related Transactions, how often would you is the owner or the manager? Beyond sight to probably once a week just to check the machine make sure that anything's taken care of there's as part of it It's um it's got a phone number attached to it So if they're having any problems while they're at the machine There's they can just call the number and it'll walk them through and answer any questions or help them with any issues that they're having so You know, we'd probably be there once a week just to kind of Refill the supplies make sure the locks are there No, but Champlain Valley self-storage which is in Essex by the fairgrounds They installed this exact same kiosk and have had no problems with it How do they do night lighting? They have it lit up all on the sides all night long One more question the the wetland buffer it looks like it touches the fence on the backside Again, it's clearly drawn so that it it's just outside the wetland buffer But is there are there any? Restrictions on water getting pushed or snow getting pushed or anything into that wetland buffer area No The the goal of the buffers essentially that there's no structures in it unless there's a road or path that crosses it at a 90 degree angle So it's a it's a no touch You know no mo if you go in there and disturb it during site development you you replant it and leave it essentially natural, but So impervious surface doesn't you know you know it's an actual structure well right So you wouldn't you wouldn't pave into the buffer you wouldn't put a structure in it But water will flow into the buffer You know what it goes downhill and eventually You know as long as it's been treated in in the manner required by the state storm or permitting rules That it will eventually flow to the wetland is true But no no structures in the buffer So that area won't be flowing to the north or to be flowing to the east or to the west and because of the great difference there There will likely be a retaining wall So the fence will be at the edge of the pavement or along the top of the retaining wall It won't be set back there for snow storage My point being there won't be anything extending into the wetland buffer I'm just trying to imagine the demarcation of the wetland buffer up against the retaining wall and whether you're using a fence how odd that would be and you know the boulders might not look as bad, but Me trying to visualize that I don't know how tall that retaining wall is going to be but you know that one of the conditions here The recommendations is to demarcate the the wetland buffer with something that doesn't move like a fence or boulders Yeah, but you know that this the the the wetland buffer approaches it and then gets close and then Goes back away. So Do we have any questions or comments from the audience? Anybody like to weigh in anything anybody have any anything for the board or the applicant? I hear somebody So it's it's not actually a right away, it's a strip of land from lot five that comes out to Shunt bike road and I believe it's 60 feet long And again because that's part of lot five Nothing's being proposed on that property at this time This is all on lot six lot five until Something comes before the board to happen It's 60 feet from the edge of the edge of this property To the edge of the road bare property is 60 feet Which is also the edge of the road be a property is also the edge of your problem question from the audience You could stand up give me Well, hang on full name and address, please I just have You know, I'm all for security, but I had some concerns I wasn't wearing any squatters in that particular area. I was just wondering You know, I'm all for you know laying in that camp with security that they said What evidence do you have there's squires back there? I've seen tents in there Wasn't out there last week week before last there was a couple of tents not very far into the woods. Yeah Tents I didn't talk with anybody I didn't see anybody in there, but they were tents that were upright We don't own the property at this is all based on the project, but yeah, it's more of I know once I'm assuming that if there's people living there They're gonna either if they're on our property that we're proposing to buy Then they'll just kind of move to the property next as the development kind of keeps Building up. I don't know. I just know that there's been people that have been walking the property has seen Signs of squatters. I don't know anything about who is living there I think it's pretty safe. I mean, it's a it's a big it's a big undeveloped piece of property in Williston You know and it's conceivable that somebody could be in there But at the same time as that as the property gets built out and roads get run into it and fencing gets put up and businesses start to Locate in there. Anybody who's in there is going on good. I'm going to go away. There's nice I can't imagine anybody's gonna be in that in that area. So it may take a little while for it to happen, but no but it you know, it's it's Probably not going to last other comments or questions from from the audience Any other questions or comments from the board? Like to act great. Thank you for coming. Thank you Okay, you're going to close close DP 19-06 742 the engineer for brisette here Or here. Okay. Next up is next up is is DP 19-05 It's pre-application for Michael and Jessica percent. Well, you get a you get a you get a pass because it's snowy and mushy out So if you could state your name and your address, please. Yep, Andrea Dottolo Trudeau consulting engineers 478 Blair Park Road, Williston, Vermont Okay Before I read the staff report Andrea brought a revised site plan and she can pass those out I will talk the staff through the revised changes as I read through the staff report So this is a request for pre-application review of a three lot subdivision of a 10.76 acre parcel Located at 495 Porterwood Drive in the agricultural rural residential zoning district The property is currently developed with a single-family dwelling accessory garage Ex and access driveway The proposed residential development will add one dwelling unit to the site for a total of two dwelling units Project history. This is the first time the request is being reviewed by the DRB Previous development on this property includes a boundary line adjustment that was submitted with the neighboring property But that application was withdrawn Findings of fact the applicant proposes two single-family dwellings Residential uses are allowed in the ARZD Number two town parcel map out there. You'll see the photo on page one as well as the base map That the applicant has used It picks the parcel as two parcels This is a pro vows system error dating back to 2009 I confirmed this error with the Lister's office It was showing a parcel owned by the Williston fire district and that was a Typo in their system and this is one parcel 10.76 acres owned by the applicant Access the applicant proposes to use the existing private driveway to access both dwellings The bylaw allows up to five dwellings to be accessed on a private driveway The driveway has a curb cut onto Porterwood Drive Porterwood Drive is a private road owned and maintained by the Williston fire district And I'll add that it does have two curb cuts onto Old Creamer Road residential density Residential density in Williston is calculated on a dwelling unit equivalent due per acre basis And then there's the bylaw definition The applicant is proposing two dwelling unit equivalents in the form of two units with two or more bedrooms And no units with one or few fewer bedrooms and one bedroom or studio is considered half a dwelling unit bylaw chapter 19 requires that lands with wetlands wetland buffers and slopes in excess of 30% be taken out of the density calculation and that lands with slopes between 15 and 29.9 percent Be calculated at a reduced density of one dwelling per 10 acres What follows is the table assessing the acreage of the parcel to the allowable density In the staff report it shows a total density of 2.32 dwelling unit equivalents Rounded down to two. Did you hold up one second? Thank you gentlemen Could you not talk for the through the hearing, please? Thank you Emily go ahead An estimated 2.32 dwelling unit equivalents this was based on the unconfirmed wetland delineation buffer The revised site plan shows the confirmed wetland delineation Which changes the wetland buffer from the wetland area from 2.13 acres to 1.97 acres Changing the score to 2.44 in the bylaw we round down. So they're still allowed to have the two dwelling units total Minimum lot size the bylaw allows a smaller minimum lot size Than the density calculation For an open space development in the ARZD The minimum area per dwelling is 15,000 square feet 0.344 acres The proposed lots provided for the dwellings are 1.5 acres and half an acre in size These proposed lots comply with the minimum requirements Open space As a subdivision of a parcel 10.5 acres or greater The bylaw requires a minimum 75 percent be set aside as permanently protected open space This open space must be platted as a separate lot The open space must include steep slopes wetland areas and setbacks and any other resources required to be protected under chapter 27 The applicants proposed open space lot is 8.76 acres Or 81.4 of the parent parcel The applicant site plan indicates that all slopes in excess of 30 percent are in the open space As well as wetland and wetland buffers The conservation commission reviewed the proposed open space and their comments will be discussed later Landscaping and setbacks There are minimum property line setbacks in the ARZD 50 feet from a town right of way And then side and rear yard setbacks Chapter 23 states that open space residential developments must provide ample buffers, but it does not specify minimum buffers Chapter 23 and chapter 31 allow the drb Considerable discretion in determining the minimum width and what type of landscape buffer will be appropriate in a particular context The proposed open space parcel will maintain existing vegetation along the parent parcel boundaries and access driveway The proposed location of the new dwelling is in an existing cleared area Formerly occupied but by an abandoned and now removed mobile home The proposed septic mound system will also be located within Existing cleared areas to the greatest extent possible Water and wastewater the applicant proposes a private well and septic system System design and state permits are not required at the pre-application review phase Wetlands waterways and conservation areas The applicant site plan has identified upon wetlands and a 50 foot wetland buffer There are state mapped class 2 wetlands on the subject parcel The applicant's engineer has delineated the wetlands on the property The salination must be confirmed by the state of remote wetlands office prior to applying for discretionary permit And that revised site plan that's provided has the confirmed wetlands on it Traffic Staff does not recommend the drb request of traffic study for this project Administrative permits for a new single family dwelling include transportation impact fee Trail easement The applicant proposes a trail easement along the western property boundary Based on comprehensive plan map 17 This trail easement will allow for future connection of the Porterwood neighborhood To existing and desired trail easements to the north This is a trail easement that connects hurricane lane to bradley lane along an east west trail corridor And i don't think those trails are Oh, they are shown on the site plan in the green section The radical growth management score Staff has estimated a growth management score of 30 points This is the minimum score required to receive allocation without a drb exemption The project could receive 10 points for design for context Because the new dwelling on a half acre lot matches the surrounding development pattern The project could receive 20 points for visual impact because the development development is not visible from a public way This score is a staff estimation only and may differ from the official score Determined by the drb at the march 2019 growth management hearing Comments and recommended action No comment letters were received from the public We circulated the plans to police fire and public works. The police department did not respond The department of public works commented Asking about a boundary plot for the lot that will be provided with the discretionary permit They asked about Who is planning on maintaining and owning the shared drive and to show proposed utilities The fire department also responded with a comment memo about emergency access and signage The conservation commission reviewed the application on november 6th and made the following recommendations A habitat disturbance Assessment shall be prepared by a qualified wildlife biologist and submitted by the applicant as part of a discretionary permit application The protected open space must be plotted as a separate lot The applicant shall submit a draft trail easement as part of an application for discretionary permit Working with the conservation commission to determine a trick desired alignment The applicant is required to have wetlands delineation prepared by a professional wetland scientists In accord with the current guidelines of the army corps of engineers To be submitted as part of an application for discretionary permit The wetlands delineation must be confirmed by the state The conservation commission recommends a functional assessment of the class three wetlands on the proposed development site Be provided as part of the submission for the application for discretionary permit And lastly The dp application shall be accompanied by a complete runoff and aversion control Uh checklist Staff recommends that the drb authorized dp 1905 to proceed to growth management review in march 2019 with the following recommendations To adopt the comments of fire public works and the conservation commission And to meet with the director of public works and the fire chief Prior to discretionary permit application. Thank you Heidi hi andrea sorry What would you like to add? um, so i'll just Wanted to clarify a couple things. Um The first piece about the wetlands you'll notice that in the conservation committee recommendations they Reference a class three wetland, um, which might be confusing because there's no class three wetlands on this site plan um, and I spoke with the conservation committee we I was thinking that this bottom finger of wetland would be defined by the state as class three um During the site visit she did want to keep it as class two due to a potential connection between To two upper ponds in the lower piece. Um, so that's just a clarification there And then I did also just want to speak to the trail easement That was an early conversation we had where we were considering a trail easement Which may benefit a growth management score If the trail easement does not benefit the growth management score, then it likely wouldn't be proposed at this time They if they were to propose one because it doesn't Actually connect back to the proposed primitive trail. There's a bit of a Gap, um, so you'd have to get another easement over that property What we're mainly concerned with is gaining gaining an easement over the over the subject property. Um, so this one This one alone, so Why wouldn't it score out as part of To get the points for build paths and trails We know what we're really Worried about really is gaining gaining control not so much build, correct Well, so the the the language of the bylaw emily's right actually says build Um, the practice of the drb on primitive paths has been to score projects fairly generously if an easement is provided understanding that Building discontinuous sections May not be useful The drb has discretion To score projects that provide a trail in the paths and trails category based on I think it says based on the length of the trail And I would I would say that There's been there's been fairly broad variability in how the drb has looked at that Here is I see the note for trail easement on the earlier plan, but Yeah, um, so that note was Accidentally left off. I meant to take it off that initial Submission, but originally we had a trail easement that was 50 foot feet wide conservation committee about the alignment of the trail easement Um, unfortunately, if you go up this way And the due residences Um, the conservation committee was asking if we could go over here This fall section is extremely steep slopes. It's almost a flat drop off So getting a trail easement across this way To connect I know that the awesome family has an easement over this property to access their parcel Definitely preliminary at this point So I would I would encourage you to Work with the staff Work with the staff and work with the conservation commission to see if you can hammer out any Yep I think it benefits I think it benefits the town if we can gain an easement And If we have if we do have a broad interpretation of how the scoring works Awesome I should mention that um, this this matter of Talking about potential perspective growth management scores that pre-application is a new practice for our staff So I think we're we're doing because we want to try to start those conversations early and that's exactly why we're doing I think it's great. I think it's great It's a good thing to do a name is a good thing to do. I think it'd be interesting to see how that works out as to What we're actually projecting How we decide what is is it I thought I heard You indicate that if it doesn't connect that it we can't Use our discretion to increase the scoring Is that that's certainly not how we've worked it in the past The idea is always the idea has always been and I you guys can correct me if i'm wrong But you you pull them together piecemeal because you only can gain an easement as the individual properties come in And it may be that the next property doesn't come in for 20 years But if it does then you have then you've already got the other connecting piece in place Yeah, I just wanted to make sure there wasn't something I don't believe so imagine Matt's got the bylaws up right now. He'll tell us if it is or not Right, so the criterion is listed for this part of town Is Build paths and trails Same as 11.7.5 Majority of the proposed dwelling units are served by the town's path and trail system with the developer building all onsite segments Five to ten points depending on the length of the path or trail segments No path or trail connection is so that's five to ten points. No path or trail connection zero points. So You know what I would say is in the time I've been here in williston No Rural development involving a primitive path has actually said we're going to go out and move dirt and Build right the trail it but easements that are proposed be conveyed have generally resulted in some kind of score Being given by the drb You know that that's that's not word for word what the bylaw says it's an interpretation that's never been appealed Never been never been questioned Um This is in the growth management chapter. So this is this is chapter 11, which is all about How subdivisions are scored competitively In our in our town growth management process that limits the rate of residential development in different parts of town So these are elements of subdivisions that are not necessarily outright required by the bylaw But put our incentivized through this competitive scoring system Do you have anything else you want to add before we kind of open it up to the board? Nope, I think that's Pretty much it just to be clear proposed septic system would be just below the house Quarter with Boholm Park does have their own sewer But the applicant would like to ideally have a private septic system and well Because it's only 500 feet to get up there. So it's not actually how much of a benefit for them The soils conducive to septic. Yeah, so they Are moderately suited. Um, we haven't done soils testing. So that will be done before the discretionary permit Those pretty well stewards their water. Yeah, so the existing house has a well and a septic system That they're using But as a backup they could connect to the quarter wood systems You feel comfortable that you could get the the protection zones around the well and the septic Yep. Yeah, we looked at it preliminarily, but we haven't done the soils testing it I do have a question about the conservation commission They they're one of their recommendations number four is the applicant is required to have wetland delineation prepared by professional wetland scientists Who delineated the wetlands that are shown? I did. Okay. Yep. So In our do you meet those qualifications or is that being done separately? Yep, so, um In the state of vermont, there's not a specific certification that you need to do wetland delineations, but I do them regularly and I'm listed on the state consultant list for wetland delineations As long as you get it approved by the wetlands as state ecologists then it flies and I did Send this out, but I have the wetland classification report from the state as well So In terms of what will be required for the next step would would there be additional wetland delineation Don no, so number four at this time is Complete it's completed. Yep I'd like to follow on in that with the number five which you mentioned before, but I wasn't clear Yeah, it wasn't perfectly clear on what your explanation was and whether you were contesting The the existence of any clastry wetlands or Nope, so when I spoke to the conservation commission I had this wetland piece and this wetland place shown as class two and this finger shown as class three But I went out with the state we decided to just designate them all as class two and have a particular factor So there are no longer There's no class three wetlands on the property This isn't necessary because you don't need to do the functional assessment of class three because you've already kind of jumped ahead to Yep, and they have those additional buffers to them The orange lines on your on your picture you've provided Yeah And I was just wondering what kind of these orange lines it's sort of me and around Is that trail the the permit trail the green hatching is that um, Are those recorded The easements or that's just some that's out of the plant the town's plan for the court some of the segments are Dedicated easements and then there are a couple spots where it's desired. So when those vacant parcels north come to develop You can get those desired connections confirmed and recorded It's really getting that connection to is a knob hill is kind of the primary goal Yeah, in order to make that trail easement work And where would you be traveling to if you I mean it seems like the knob hill to the green dash this gets you that north south connection Well, um, so there's the big east west connection over to hurricane lane right and then coming south There's that little stub of green that ties into the end of knob hill road And then in theory you're walking along knob hill, you know, right? It seems like that gets you down All the way down to old creamery road I'm just wondering what added benefit there would be by having a I Don't believe it is but you know to your question. I think the benefit is always can you Connect or start to connect the proposed development to the town's trail system so Folks in this small two lot subdivision Folks who might be able to connect from Porterwood Drive who then wouldn't you know have to walk down to old creamery and back up knob hill Um, you know the town has a desired trail system. That's those generalized big lines like you know hurricane lane to bradley lane But when someone's property is off of that desired alignment You you still want to try to have them connect to it So, you know, theoretically you can walk out your backyard and get into the town's trail system at some point Um, and yeah, you know, it takes it may take multiple property owners Falling into place before that's really going to be able to happen Did you have thoughts on the fire department's recommendation about that turnaround? Are you okay with that? Yes, um, they do have a small turnaround Right now, which I think could be in large to meet the fire department's regulations And again that driveway is going to also need some work to Meet their standards as well, so Does it really need to have does it need to happen before that that lot one a lot of line And this is not good. This is going to be this is going to be a public way. No, no, it's it's private. Yeah The final question for the board One more question in the open space section of the Of the the report It indicates that the applicants proposed open space Um, or I'm sorry the applicant site plan indicates that all slopes in excess of 30% are within the opens Uh are within the open space as required Or within the open space lot as what I'm assuming that means And that's not entirely true Where it looks like there are sections That are in the proposed development lots That have wetlands areas that are in that 15 to 30% Right, so there's two It's in excess of 30% so that would be the this other so the other hatch. Yes, okay over 30% should be completely out Okay Okay, I misread that I'm sorry It looks like that's all out. Okay, perfect All audience any other questions? Anything else from the board? Anything else you'd like to add? Okay Thank you Okay, if you can Uh, we're going to open up dp 19-07 at 812 sir if you would give your name in your address, please At my name is p quinton and my shop address is 1028 south brown l road in your year Well, let's do Thank you Okay, so this is a request for discretionary permit review of a proposal to construct a 45 by 28 foot Storage building at 1028 south brown l road in the industrial zoning district west Um, this is an existing developed site. Um portion of it is currently occupied by quinton brothers engaged in uh various automotive Related automotive repair activities Which are an allowed use in the industrial zoning district west There's no change in use proposed or intensity of use. There's no residential component Proposed 45 by 28 foot building is not proposed to exceed the town's 36 foot height limit The proposed building will be over existing pavement or other structure to be replaced So there's no additional site work proposed There's no boundary adjustment or subdivision In terms of outdoor lighting the applicant has stated that there would be some outdoor lighting Associated with the building. We don't have lighting details right now If it's what I think it will be which is essentially wall pack units on the building I would I would recommend the drb just require that final plans include specifications for those lights So that we can assure that they are fully shielded downward facing and don't exceed the maximum brightness levels in the bylaw The subject parcel is adjacent to some other industrial uses The applicant's proposing the the building to be 15 feet set back from the rear of the property If you look at your aerial photo, you'll see that this property and the rear of the property Behind it, which is accessed off of lee roy. I believe Are Not really buffered from one another at all. It's it's it's fairly tight back there based on the development pattern of the time But at minimum the building itself would have that 15 foot rear yard set back The drb could look at that and determine whether a landscape buffer should be provided in conjunction with this proposal between the two sites Um Practice on existing sites like this has been generally if there is any buffering required to focus it on the portion of the site That's being developed or redeveloped So in this case it would be to take a look at behind that building and see if if the board feels there's any enhancements there necessary There is no outdoor storage proposed As part of this application Um, you know again, you know looking at the aerial photo or if you were to go out to the site There are there are vehicles awaiting repair under repair, etc. That are that are parked on the site um Small amount of other equipment, but not not really Outdoor storage like a storage yard or a lumber yard or anything Like that There are no wetland impacts proposed no changes to access or anticipated additional traffic impact Um Staff does not anticipate that this storage building would increase demand for parking on the site No changes to signage or storm water or waters and wastewater are proposed no changes to the utilities as shown are proposed as well Um, and this project would not be subject to the town's design review requirements because it's outside of the design review district Um, the project was submitted for review to police fire and public works Um, public works did submit a comment memo only stating that they had no comments on the project And that was all we received for interdepartmental comment on this one um, so I will stop there. I have prepared findings and conclusions leading to an approval of this discretionary permit These are currently just the boilerplate or standard conditions of approval. So if the drb Gets into more of a conversation about requiring buffering that might need to be an additional condition And if they want to state a condition on if you want to state a condition on Requiring lighting specifications. That's more specific than the boilerplate. Um, that would need to be added as well I'll stop there Thank you What would you like to add to that? Um, as far as the lighting it's there's only going to be one on the outside of the walk-in door Which is pointing down, which would be on a motion sensor. So what matt's saying is he'd like to cut sheet? Yeah That's what the way. Okay. Yeah You're the sole occupant of the building now, correct? Right. So it's no longer a multi-tenant building. No With the building just story Yes, just storage what we have we do We're getting into a lot more high-end equipment and stuff cars Can't be sitting outside So all this really is storage is it put these cars in pieces we take cars apart You know that need to be in a storage dry area. So that's really what the use of that building would be for What if somebody wanted to say store their high-end vehicle there for the winter or something? No, unless we're working on it. We're not a storage facility, you know, nobody Rent it. It's if we're working on a vehicle. It's a Year or two project the car will be there but other than that we're not a rental place You know, you can't rent a spot Is there an existing building there now? Yeah No There's something that's shown on this aerial view in that location. What what is there was a salt been there before IMS the company that was that on the left side of our building They had a salt been there what they put their mulch their landscaping company So there's a slab that is there that's been there And they stored salt mulch and all that stuff for their seasonal stuff That is off the off the property now and they moved out. That's all there except for the concrete slab So would you be constructing right on the slab right on the slab? So that's the size of the slab. Yes Yeah, so no, there's no we're not digging moving anything. Everything's right on the slab itself and um, I just noticed a little bit of a discrepancy between what was in your cover letter. It says a 24 by 46 building and You've got 45 by 28. So just there is it's definitely the 45 by 28. Well, yeah, I think what it is The slab itself is bigger But the building it is not Okay, so it'll be which one the 40 45 by It's 45 by 24. I think it is 40 so yeah, you have 24 by 46 and I think the staff has 45 by 28 And the plan says 45 by 25 So it's it's not going to be a big building the front is probably the front of the building is probably going to be 12 feet tall in the backs It's going to be 10 So it's it's going to be built like a salt box. So that would be a front running off the back But the architectural the elevations is that the dimension you should be using as the correct number? Um, yes the one that you get the copy of this here. Oh, yeah, yes Yeah, that's what I got through bci, which is the company that's putting the building up That's the 24 by 46 Okay, that's what I'm reading You'd like us to review a proposal for a 24 by 46 foot building Yeah, he has it. Yeah. Yeah, it's 25. I think it's he's they've got 46 written here on the plans but That that's not the size of that's the size of the concrete slab So I think it's 45 by I can't remember the exact if you go to if you go to your elevation Yep It does have dimensions underneath and you want to verify that those are the ones you're going to be building Yes, those are the ones. Yeah, so that is 24 by 46. Yes Very good Or do we say 28 by 46 I think we've beaten that one to death as long as the final plans as the correct dimensions as the right dimension And actually I am asked to issue an administrative permit based on those final plans And it meets that setback. I'm I'm comfortable with a few feet You know if the board really wants to we could pick the coldest day of the year and set mad out to measure You got to use my tape measure though It's a 12 inch Or any questions about buffering Well, I just I'm curious if the applicant has any Comments about we empty if we were to impose a condition about landscape buffering I don't think it's needed just because The back of the building that's We're we're that building is going to be faced of back of another building Which they store their stuff out back So I don't think landscaping is really going to Do anything for the building, you know, it's not going to it's it's a small building It's in the middle of the back of our shop that nobody can see from No, I think I think with the stuff they have back there, we're okay And I spoke with Steve Bartlett on it. He has he has no problem. No, there is it No, there's a drainage ditch back there that was put in when the building was done Yeah Already moved And it's safe to assume the parking required parking is made up by the parking in the front Yes, uh, you know industrial building one space per thousand It's it's probably a little bit over parked by today's standard and then You know, we have sites like this where you know actual vehicles More or less in parking end up being part of the subject of the use that's happening and DRB gets pretty broad discretion under the bylaw for these industrial uses But we do have a condition that parking shall be provided with the table describing parking spaces So that is the way it's worded right now. We're asking to provide that with final plans Yeah, the site plan I have I guess does not really Call out what the parking arrangement is. I think there is one Somewhere on file. Um, the other thing you you could decide You're in condition eight. Is that right? Yeah So, um, it says any required You could say any additional required. That's how I would generally read that and so If the board's not saying you need more parking or you need to do something with your parking then it It's essentially it's a it's a null condition in terms of how I administer it Yeah, if if we were in a review where we said this project generates more parking or there's way too much parking here It needs to be reduced That parking needs to be in compliance with the bylaw Let's talk to a bicycle parking too Does that mean If you felt there was any required we'd need to see it on final plans um If you were doing something to the site that increased the amount of required parking on the site We would do the full calculation and break that out to ada and bicycle and indoor and everything else And and then we would want to see all that as a final plan General practice has been with this board that if if um, there's not additional parking required We don't the board has not typically imposed all of those other things that that come along with it Questions from the audience sir Just to clarify in the aerial photo the location of the new structure Where the the green roof is in the aerial photo is it going right there? Were the old the salt then it was yes. Yeah, is the green roof the salt can No, yes Yeah, which is in the middle of the back we're building. Gotcha. Yeah, so pretty much would not be visible No, you can't see it from anywhere coming from either side. You can't see it Yeah, no, it's dead center in the back. No change in the landscaping out front or on the side Yeah, because as you know, she probably never saw that one. No. Yeah So that it's in the same spot that one is yeah It's only like I said 12 in the front 10 in the back. So it's not a big standing building. Yeah, right I mean, they were just trying to get the cars out of the water to no doubt And you haven't imposed to put any bathrooms or anything like that for staff in there No, there'll be some lighting in there, you know, so we can see in there But there's no no running water. No bathrooms. It's just mainly storage Might be electrical heat in there we're putting all that's in so we might run electric heater in there To keep the temperature, you know for freezing But other than that, no questions from the board Anybody else anything else you'd like to add? Oh, I'll say it Thank you for coming. Thank you We're going to close DP 19-07 at 26 next up I can Step down and say why I'm stepping down Matt, why don't you step up and say why you're stepping down step up and step down So in addition to providing staff support to the DRB and and being the planning director I'm also the duly appointed zoning administrator For the town of Williston, which means there's certain kinds of permits I can sign Determinations I can make and actions I can take Which are appealable to the development review board And the item coming up before you is an appeal of one of my actions as zoning administrators So for that reason, um, I'm going to step away from the staff table I'm going to go out to the audience and in addition if the DRB chooses to deliberate on this item In private, um, I will I will not be in the room when the board deliberates on this If you deliberated in open session, I would sit in the audience or otherwise remove myself from the proceedings So just to be clear as to why I'm getting up and leaving Um, so in addition to the staff report, I have passed out three items and I provided the applicant with that as well Site visit photos Letter from Kevin Stevens and then an email thread so everyone should have a copy of that Okay, thank you This is an appeal of the zoning administrators issuance of a notice of zoning violation letter to 212 old stage road I gotta stop you for one second. So just for the record, this is We are opening up an appeal. It is app 19-01 brookside properties llc And the the appeal hearing is opening up at That go ahead This is an appeal of the zoning administrators issuance of a notice of zoning violation letter To 212 old stage road owned by rainy tibo brookside properties llc per bylaw chapter 5.4 And as provided by state statute Any decision of the administrator may be appealed to the drb Drb must hold a public hearing Following the hearing the drb may uphold modify or overturn the decision of the administrator In every case the drb shall adopt written findings and conclusions supporting its action What follows is a list of exhibits included with your packet and the zoning violation history Bindings of fact Zoning district the property is located in two zoning districts with the allenbrook as the zoning boundary The existing dwelling to the west of the brook is located in the residential zoning district The violation occurred on the undeveloped eastern portion of the property Located to the east of the brook in the village zoning district The property is developed with a single family dwelling and allowed use in both districts Administrators determination The following is an abbreviated quote from the letter I viewed the condition of the site on october 11th 2018 I noticed noted several equipment trailers piled with building materials debris and debris Several piles of building material having equipment heavy equipment And vehicles being stored on the site The portion of the property where I observe the materials is on the east side of the brook Which is in the town's village zoning district? And then The quote continues. There is no commercial outdoor storage allowed in the vzd Outdoor storage associated with the home business is limited and only allowed under the conditions of chapter 20 And only with an administrative permit Later on I'll quote the bylaw chapters That go into this in more detail But follows is the appellants response a summary of what's written in the letters included in your packet Mr. Tebow stated that there has not been any dumping on the site as stated by Stevens There are many other properties with outdoor storage in the village Um This parcel is in the md district the former name for what is now the residential zoning district And is what one would consider the backyard of the property At 212 old stage road of a four acre parcel I don't need to use the Don't need a permit to use the property the same as all the other residents in the areas do And then the quote continues and there's a second letter With an associated site plan talking about the other neighbors Finding effect five bylaw requirements The bylaw has standards regarding outdoor storage In the village zoning district Outdoor storage Is permitted The temporary storage of outdoor the temporary outdoor storage of construction equipment and materials Is permitted in all zoning districts by chapter 17 No other outdoor storage is permitted for commercial or institutional uses in the vzd Chapter 20 residential improvements Also talks about outdoor storage and other zoning districts Outdoor storage is permitted within the required setbacks inside In rear when it is effectively screened from neighboring properties But notes that appendix f it should say appendix g Sets a stricter standard for outdoor storage associated with home businesses And then it also quotes the during construction allowance Appendix g home businesses Can a home business have workspaces or store materials? That depends on where it is located In the rzd murzd and vzd The space used for the proposed home business shall be within the dwelling or in an accessory structure that complies with all requirements of the bylaw Outdoor workspaces and outdoor storage of materials supplies equipment vehicles or goods for sale are prohibited in the rzd murzd and vzd I'll jump to the site visit page where I quote chapter 46 that defines outdoor storage Outdoor storage is the outdoor meaning not under a roof and within at least three walls Placement stacking or stockpiling of materials Outdoor storage ranges from firewood stacked on a residential premises To the stockpiling of gravel sand and other quarrying products. So there is a range of outdoor storage In this definition When brad and I visited the site yesterday We noted the outdoor storage on that eastern part of the parcel Your village grove And then we also noted in photos two and three outdoor storage along old stage road Next to the existing dwelling This included but is not limited to various construct construction materials and mechanical components Two skid steers and an unpermitted portable storage structure um again A home business can have Work spaces um and store materials, but they're not allowed to be stored outdoors They must be within the dwelling or an accessory structure that implies with the requirements of the bylaw follows is the letter from kevin stevens and An email chain from 2015 That's not necessarily directly related to the current violation, but we are bringing this information And with that I will turn back to the staff report. We have draft conclusions The drb will have to determine We'll have to finalize these conclusions And then align them with the proposed motions. There are three motions One to uphold one to modify and one to overturn The zoning administrator's decision Thank you Rainy, I would miss if you would state your name and your address for the record Rainy tibo 212 old stage road Okay, your turn My turn your turn. All right Well, the property um itself is contiguous with the old stage road frontage and it runs into the um village district obviously It's not subdivided. So I don't think the Village district zoning has anything to do with this parcel because the house is on the medium or rz whatever district and So i'm just using this property as basically my backyard like anyone else would And or if they wanted to but there's a lot of people In the village district that all have trailers boats two three I mean there's got to be I think I got about eight of them And they have stuff around their house all in the village district We are here to talk about your property not about other people's property. Right. I understand that but You I'm I'm in the medium density. We're talking you're talk bringing this up as being in the village district now How how can you different zoning well they are but the property is contiguous from The old stage side Across it's not I'm not subdividing it. I'm not doing anything with it So you're telling me I've got three acres And I can't put anything on it Or can I put a storage building? Why for it I think correct So I could put a storage building there Or an enclosed I'd rather put an enclosed shelter Not I don't want to spend the money because I've got some other stuff that's going on And I don't want anything permanent I'd rather have it just enclosed you would have to go through the permit process supply for a you know a Accessory dwelling well, yeah, but that's a temporary accessories not Considered an accessory dwelling is it not what I've read anyway And I know in a medium density Yeah, go ahead. Um the Bylaw permits temporary and permanent structures the same way so portable If you can move it around it would still need to have a permit and meet the setback requirements the use of the structure Outdoor storage that definition is brought From stacked firewood to An industrial quarry. So using the structure for personal use Maybe a trailer a boat And in a tv A snowmobile those sorts of things would be allowed What the zoning administrators determination that is this a storage not associated with A residential use its outdoor storage associated with a commercial use And then a structure and storage of a commercial use Is limited so for a home business Um the square footage that accessory structure would be limited Um in these zoning districts to I Don't have the bylaw up in front of me according to why I read it. I don't need a permit For for a structure in the medium density in the residential zoning district a structure of 120 square feet Or a minimum of 10 feet in height does require a permit and all structures must meet the setback requirement So if it's a structure greater than 120 square feet, it will require a permit a temporary I mean, it's not because I just I mean it's it's Where's it right here? Portable structures doesn't give you the square footage or any of that stuff But it says is a permit required for a portable structure. No permit I mean That means no permit just said the dimension standards, but I don't see anything that goes with it Matt, I know you've recused yourself. Would you care to weigh in on that? There are some provisions in the bylaw Portable structures generally what you think of as a quonset height carport with a tarp roof Being allowed without a permit when it says it still needs to meet the dimensional standards What that means is it still needs to meet setbacks and you know maximum high requirements things like that I would encourage the board to Remember that it's about structures. It's also about how they're used. So Permanent temporary indoor outdoor If what the purpose of that is for a home business Home businesses always under our bylaw require a zoning permit And have you know, I definitely reference the dependencies have some requirements that's not of those so Permanent or temporary structure benefits in use for a home business There may be a permitting requirement likely will be a permitting requirement related to the operation of a home business Pulling up appendix g Well, would I be considered a home business? I mean I work outside. So it's not wouldn't be considered a home business Is that is the storage associated are the There's a number of pictures that were attached. Yeah Yeah, you agree that these are all things that are On your property. Oh, yeah Yeah, I put them there. These pictures came from on the lot They didn't it's screened from Stevens There are a bunch of trees And you'll see that these pictures had to be taken a picture that sitting there. Yeah. Yeah Is that for use on your For is that for personal use on your property? Well, no, they're there Yeah, it could be It could be as a mason contractor Or yeah, yeah, I've done it all over. Yeah, it's not just for there But again, I own it if I want to work on it. You're telling me I can't work on it If if it's if on my three acre parcel. Yeah, I understand Personal thing like yeah a boat You know, I mean unless unless you're basically Yeah, I understand Both Right That's all right. So you're making money off the items that are sitting back here, right? Well Not really not now Well, you were I mean a lot of this is just some staging materials and stuff. I think I got three trailers. I've got a Couple cubes a block. There's no debris by the way. That's Seems to be in there all the time, but whatever But it's all it's all it's all stuff that's going to be used Maybe not there unless I put a house there then yes But I'm not it's not like it's out along Williston Road. I'm in The far side nobody can see it Except when you come up maple street, you don't even know it's there and you can't see it from Um, Stephen's yard, which he You know the pictures come from my side. They don't come from his side I mean that stuff was there before not this particular stuff. There was other years ago And that was there before he was there Moved in there You know the fact that I can't use it for anything, but if I could put a storage Some storage there then Yeah, I would I've got a right away right next to the Stevens in the hark house Um If you what's the uh far southeastern corner I'm looking on the map on the cover. Yeah, it's just that green the two the two Yeah, yeah square It's not really it's not quite like that. Whatever. They're right there Now you can see the hedgerow and most of it is uh Evergreens Right of way across there. Yes 12 foot. So the storage is all on the On on the out of the stream. There's storage. Yeah, it's the east side of the stream But you see the trees here doesn't show the stream House and then I see that that group of trees that goes across that's where the Where the stream is they don't show it on here So you've got this picture the photos included one at a time, please The photos included with the staff report are what matt took when he issued his zoning violation letter That was only for the Outdoor storage on the village side near um village grove road In the site visit we conducted photos two and three We determined that there is also outdoor storage on the western portion of the parcel in the rzd So the zoning violation letter Just referenced one site for outdoor storage, but there are two Areas that are in violation with the bylaw I will note that the appendix g home businesses Does limit this amount of space that can be used In the rzd. It's limited to 25 of the four area of the dwelling or 500 square feet, whichever is smaller In the village 25 of the four area of the dwelling or 750 square feet Whichever is smaller? staff's determination with that generally if you have A 3 000 square foot house and you wanted to build an accessory garage We would use the square footage of that existing house to determine how large that accessory Storage structure garage could be for the home business use for those the temporary the two Shelters that I have are they're 200 square feet apiece That's 400 feet the house is 1700 square feet above floor first floor So limiting the outdoor storage to those structures Would be allowable with an administrative permit We would have to see the site plan and see that all those numbers line up with The home business restrictions, but if they're limited and contained within those structures That's the allowable extent of storage for a home business It cannot be so rainy if you're going to put up a if you're going to put up a temporary if you You know come in and request a permit to put up a temporary structure Are you going to be able to get all of your equipment inside that temporary structures? Nobody will see it Not not because they're both full What my tractors are outside, but I use those for plowing so I don't I mean that's not really That they're not relevant to this anyway Because I use them for personal use I do both, but I use mostly personal. I mean I have two a tractor and a and a bobcat Okay, so what about the items that you won't we are what are you going to do with the items that you can't get inside? Accessory structure your temporary accessory structure that you're going to get a permit for maybe Well depends I can Didn't you just say the village I can have the 700 square foot structure If there were two if you have a three thousand square foot house Yes, so there's a bunch of hurdles you got to get over so I got to build that addition that would do it Right well you said 700 across the river for I don't know if I think they're tied together here or not Down this road before this is not the first time we sat and had this conversation right, but it wasn't wasn't in Uh This much detail before Because I I didn't feel it was right before and I still don't obviously Well, that's right That's their opinion I mean, I you know, it's my my property. I don't crouch on their property But they encroach on mine and stuff like that, but That's neither here nor there I guess But anything else you want to add to this? Um, no, but I think I think because every I I don't know how you can determine make a decision on me Personally when you've got all these other ones that are outstanding that I drive around and show you I mean, how can you condemn one and not the other? Why don't we why don't we leave it that if a notice of zoning violation gets issued to them that we will have We will offer them the same opportunity That is that before I move my stuff or after after they you get everybody else to move theirs I get to move my notice of violation is issued to them That we will request their presence here in front of the board In the meantime, we're here to talk about you. So if you're through I think there are some people in the audience That probably would like to have their turn Fire away. All right We have any questions or comments from the audience Mr. Hart, if you would state your name and your address, please My name is Thomas Arkham and I'm 178 Maple Road We have a couple points I want to make here just for The right away email so I'm going to address concerns related to right away. I think it It speaks to a broader issue here. I I have no idea What this gentleman is talking about for encroachment or other things But I can tell you that the right-of-way is owned by the harks. We pay taxes on it It is not owned by mr. Tebow or anybody else We Have been had constant issues with this gentleman for years Please have been have to call in because of how he Uses it and how he treats, you know the kids and my wife and whatnot this fall he illegally cut all sorts of Tree limbs along the place had police. There should be a police report on there. I chose not to press charges But but it just goes on and on and on Bringing this stuff across the right-of-way, which was a agricultural right-of-way that was given To the earlier owners was so cows could be brought to the pasture It wasn't so that you could be turning to a construction zone with heavy equipment going in and out You know when it rains that's when we seem to have the most traffic on the road There's really doesn't seem to be any care for The grass and trees the property or or anything else. It's enormously irritating for us We I think what we're going to because this issue now has come up. I don't know how many times Stuff keeps getting hauled back there. It's illegal You know our property is being used for you know transport of stuff that shouldn't be back there We're likely going to be putting up and we'll all talk to the zoning people to see what permits are needed But I think it's a 12 foot wide Right away. We're going to put a You know two cement posts and a gate on there with the lock and People that have the right-of-way mr. Keebo if he can show us If he's bringing stuff back there and he has a permit for that then great he can We'll give him a key to you go open the gate and bring his stuff back there But and use it but this this free-for-all With total lack of respect for the neighbors in our property It's really just gone on way too way too far. We've tried to be good about this Cut it out, you know, you know, we have a we do have a trailer out there He drives the stuff and he knocks the trailer off to the side, you know It's It's really just a it's an attitude that was it's just very difficult and we've tried for years just to be Good about it, but I just we're at our end and So I wanted to That's those my comments. There's a there's a long history here It's more than just a couple of trailers than what needs to be stored It almost feels like what's happening is this like sticking his thumb in the eye of the neighbors because I guess he can I'm done One railway one Oh, no, that's that's that's another that's that's not really anything it's This is Well, it's not it was something I brought in So the same plan that um is provided It does show um two hatched in boxes with uh a proposed um 60 foot right of way to village grove Ignore that that's um Um Just look at what's um typed on the site plan and then what rainy has hand written on that Right on the yeah the right side of the page and ignore that driveway in the two hatched sketch But there's a trailer that's on the Stevens the Stevens trailer I believe It's your trailer Okay, it's not having going back and forth between the applicant Right. Well, that's the trick You can't put something in a 12 foot right away. The Stevens has a trailer that's on the edge of the heart property Okay, that he's supposed to be 10 feet away if it's the side yard 15 the other I have a 10 foot Right away Deed it farm nothing doesn't matter It's it's a deeded right away And you can't be putting your boats up next to the driveway So you're just waiting for me to hit them or something like that you should they should be 10 feet away And that's that's you know, I'm not encroaching on them. They're encroaching on me He's got a load of stone. He dumped at the end of my yard and he's in he's over my property line So whatever We are currently here to talk about the storage Yeah, I know I know but it's We are not we're not here to talk about right the way to his access to it. All right I just want to comment that name and address Kevin Stevens 152 Maple Road I just wanted to comment in regards to the the trailer That uh, originally there was a trailer of mine that Tom and I both used Tom harp and so we agreed to put it in that location just right up against my property lines since we were both using it It was the the easiest to access by a vehicle and Mr. Tebow rammed that trailer and broke it with his bobcat and there's a police record in regards to that Because he also then yelled threatening Stuff at me from his property During that incident I've since sold that trailer and then Tom has a trailer now that is at its previous spot And it is not in the right way of the right way It is definitely the happy like, you know, it's partially on my property line to Tom and I have agreed to You know to put it in that location It probably is also relates since you're talking to storage I'll follow up with Sonia even if let's try and stay, you know, happy items that are germane to the discussion Which is out, you know, the storage on the on mr. Tebow's property, sir Name and address please I'm from up here 10 Fern Hall, and I'm here for Sammy amour I'm sorry. What sammy amour is? The owner of the property where it's penciled in with us Right away. So you're here for somebody else. Yes Okay um, I just That why it's penciled in there is he was using it as a right away And trees were cut down and you drove through the driveway and put stuff over there Your information's wrong I've never used it. Please address your comments important Well, we saw the The the marks going in there. No, you didn't the trees were cut down And um since then we just put up a lot of water fans So that's that hash mark. I see there's a long property line Yeah, try to find paid by your page right away. There's like a fence marking comes down to the corner. That's right. Okay ask um other than the potential overburdening of the right-of-way By transporting heavy equipment across that right-of-way. What other impacts are there for anybody in the audience? That's here is is the storage Right over the the border. Is it concealed? Is it, you know, how how? How is your property impacted by the storage on? On mr. Tebow's property. Yeah, it might answer that one. Um, so again stevens I have the largest line of where to store this stuff and um, you know, the question's coming up about disability and whether or not I can see it from my law which I can you can also see it from village grove Um, but the bigger issue isn't just that we can see it and then it's in the backyard It's that he's using the right-of-way for commercial usage And so he's coming in and out of there regularly with bobcats with the front loader With the forklift carrying pallets in and out and we've been dealing with this when he used it for storage for his old For church view estates He was taking materials from there and storing it back over Behind our lot And so there's an impact in that, you know, he's driving You know in and out of there on a regular basis basically running a commercial business out of a residential property in a residential neighborhood So do you think that the pictures have you seen the pictures? I have yes, and do they reactively represent? They do. Yeah What's there? Yes, so when you say he's coming across back and forth Operating a commercial business off of that lot Well, he'll bring he'll bring a trailer in Um, and then he'll leave it there and then he'll come back and he'll get the trailer and take it out And use it and then he'll bring the trailer back and put it back on there again So it's not just that he he brought it on one time and placed it on the land It's it's the the stuff is coming and going and it's an active commercial price. I haven't been there for months There's tighter tracks. Let's not be a bit I drive through there just to see who's been strolling through like you and your dog or somebody And using it for sliding hills somebody for the record. I don't go on the property, but I hope not. There's a no trespassing sign right but Again to me that the impact is about the coming and going and using it as a commercial property more than the visibility Okay, so we I do need to split that up a little bit this This board this board is not going to rule on a legal right away We have no jurisdiction on any anything along those lines if you have a issue with A legal or illegal usage of a illegal or legal right of way you need to hire a lawyer And as does as does mr. Tebow. So that's not a discussion for this board The discussion is is illegal storage how it gets there is you know is a Is unfortunate but not for this board I think that goes for locking up the right of way too So both of you probably have something you want to think about there Kevin The the the usage of the right of way. I'm not trying to say they can't use it but if he's You know germane to the discussion if he's not allowed to have this commercial storage back there Then he's all right. We're going to the board the board in its deliberations You know To uphold or disallow the Notice of violation. It's not going to rule on the right way. Yeah, I'm not expecting it to that's what I'm saying All right, I'm just expecting that you're ruling on the storage and what I'm not going to be able to That's the property. Yes, sir There's some pictures that were Uh, you know what however I can ask uh Our uh, personal went out and gave the inspection Matt. Uh, when you did the inspection Did you see these any of these piles of stuff? Oh, okay, that material is now buried under the ground and that was what those pictures were Um Is your t-vote had uh, wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute. So you're telling me That if someone were to go out and dig in these spots, they're going to find an illegal dump. Yeah Oh, okay, that's all I'm even though. So it was 2015 Oh You sent this to ken back in 25. Okay, so that I just wanted to get the date and time. Okay And So this is 2015 Did matt's letter of october 12th I haven't studied it, but did that really at all to or cite the illegal dump as no the reason I I submitted this uh last minute Um was that uh, mr. Tebow and his response to this Had stated that that I was wrong that there was no dumping on there And uh, I will admit the the word dumping that's used in the Violation I didn't mean it was buried in the ground. Um, since I had previously, you know mentioned it to mr. Bellamy Um, but since brinny stated that there was no dumping I wanted to state that in any meaning of the word dumping it has occurred on that land So either placing materials willy-dilly or burying in the ground Can I ask a clarifying question? Yeah, the the notices only violation only notes that matt observed We were focusing Even though there's photos of stuff on the near the house That's not really kind of germane to the discussion. Is that is that right? Because the noticing Um, well all the information provided tonight is um Testimony and the board's responsibility is to Adopt written findings and conclusions so you can amend the findings of fact that are provided in the staff report And amend the conclusions of law You know, I'll have the coverage. Yes. Yep all the findings of fact. Um, that's up for your Amending or additions or removals Can somebody explain what this additional Um supplement Yes, uh, so matt issued the zoning violation a couple weeks ago Um, I decided as staff I should do a site visit. So I'm familiar With everything that's going on And then provided it as additional documentation To you I did my site visit yesterday So it wasn't included in the packet mail out So are these um It has additional equipment been observed then based on Your site visit or is this just consistent with what matt? This is just to confirm that picture is in the back parcel. Yes, right correct And this these pictures are up by the road on old stage. Yep this photo one was taken from That the driveway off village grow The amor's property Then photos two and three Are from old stage road. Um, you can see the house. You are if you do Reference the site plan. There are two different zoning districts referenced Here Yep Photo one is the village photo two and three is the rzd Um in both zoning districts Outdoor storage associated with the home business is prohibited And then outdoor storage for residential purposes is permitted within the required setbacks inside and rear What it is effectively screened from neighboring properties But note that appendix g sets a stand a stricter standard for outdoor storage Associated with the home business so on a residential property You could have your boat or your stack of firewood Up to the property line if it's appropriately screened by landscaping or offense But if it's traipses into the side of home business or commercial use it's strictly prohibited Okay, thank you. What was it you were reading this section? Was it from chapter 20 about the um, it's either a certain percentage of the of the building square footage or 700 square feet or so Yes, that's Was um, that was from appendix g The 25 percent or 500 or 750 square feet that is more from appendix g about How much interior space there can be associated with a home business? So storage is permitted then for home businesses storage is permitted within a structure Tempered shrub If you were to build a shed he could it could be up to some certain size. Yes. Yep a shed Temporary or permit permanent It would have to be within the confines of that structure And then how would you calculate so if in the village zoning district? There is no structure on that That zoned piece of property. How would you calculate the minimum size? It would be based off of the square footage of the Existing house. So how many square feet is the existing house? 1700 About 400 and something. Okay, so if it's roughly 400 square feet, then we're not bumping up on the cap of 500 or 750 So it's it's 25 percent In and then five up to 500 square feet in the residential zoning district 25 percent up to 750 in the village zoning district. So if you're limited to about 400 you're already Constrained because that's the smaller number. It's whichever one of the two is the smaller We get 180 in both zoning districts No, he would get it in one zoning district because it's based off of the size of the one dwelling Yes, are there any Storage structures on that site now permanent or temporary or I'm down. Oh, they're all most of them. There's a Start with picture photo two of this Black structure, is that a structure? Is that it's a temporary structure? Yeah, it's a it's a shelter Is that used for storage? There's two of them There's one behind it Two shelters Just said there are no storage structures on the site. No Permanent I'm just saying these are these are temporary on On the road on old old stage road. These two Are temporary shelters 10 by 20 That's your 400 square feet right there those right right and are those permanent. Do they have the administrative permanent? No, because it's didn't it said I didn't need to Pull a permit What I would I mean, I guess just to boil this down and that's 400 square feet That's what according to Emily's quick math. That's right. Yeah, right. Well, she said 500 so chapter 20.14 Defines portable structures Portable structures in closed space but are designed to be easily moved. They do not have footings or foundation Common examples include pop-up car ports Or canopies and play structures that are not tied to footings or foundation And the mr. Tebow is correct is a permit required for a portable structure No permit is required for a portable structure, but they must comply with the standards below They must meet Portable structures are subject to the same dimensional standards as other structures And then a section about portable toilets Dimensional standards being the setbacks I Guess the the point is though I mean you could only squeeze so much of this equipment into these two Whether whether they're already full so then I mean, I think isn't the question My right there's my equipment out here. I used to plow the driveway On this picture Can you describe the other items shown in the pictures? Um, there there's some there are some mowers Mowers over all the way to the right on the bottom. I mow lawns At least two. Yeah, at least two. How many do you have? There's at least there's probably three there What else? What's the left of the mowers? Oh, that's just uh I've got a motorcycle in there. Um, just some miscellaneous Um, some siding That goes to the house siding that goes to your house. Yes Redoing the siding on your house Yes, what are the piles next to the the two shelters to the left? Is that the siding that's what that's what the siding is Going up to the left of that There's anything that left a power box A flower box power Box So just a temporary power box That is used for When I need temporary power For your house For any house Temporary No Right, I got a big cauldron out there that holds flowers Not today Bobcat out there That's what I plow the driveway with So you use three mowers and a bobcat? Well not in the winter I just use a bobcat Okay, can you turn the page over and describe what's in that This is a picture from village grove or not even village grove. They're standing in my field to get this picture And you agree that all these things are on your property. Okay, but there's this there again There's a head draw all the way down 300 feet or so plus or minus There's uh Let's start on the right. There's cement mixers there. There's four of them There the one behind it is a A camper The one to the right is a trailer with shingles on it and a ladder No Yes Is that a car to the left of that trailer with the ladder? No No that in the front there is a It's actually plywood. It's a stack of plywood Is it on a trailer? No, it's on the ground. It's covered up You'll see there's a forklift behind it. Would you characterize these as building materials? Yes Yes Sure if I'm doing something in my garden what I understand the main your main argument is Other people have stories Yes real defense because I'm not It's not like I'm along williston road somewhere Doing it. I'm in the back where there's only nine houses in village grove and they probably don't even know it's there and uh other than that they Read about it or got sent a letter And that's it. I mean Because all these other people I mean, I don't know why they've got three trailers two trailers. They got this they got that Oh, no, I understand. Yeah, but I you know Right because he filed a complaint. That's all And that's all we can look at right. Yeah, I understand that We're not totally sure so so four or five hundred square feet storage is what would be allowable And then beyond that no other outdoor storage for a non Or can anything be stored? Could you store a ride on lawnmower? Yes, if you're using that riding mower specifically for Your personal use once it traipses into home business or commercial Then there's a stricter set of standards If you had a ride on mower and atp is normally all 10 different things that were arguably personal they could be all be stored in addition to this Right and they could be stored outside they would Need to meet the screening requirements But they could be stored outside in both zoning districts in both zoning districts. Yes for Business or home business use it has to be in Enclosure that's limited in area as we've stated more than once And my enclosure covers both temporary and permanent I I believe so. I think the portable structure section is For car ports play structures And one other Item well, no, what I'm trying to say is if you've got like those Two 10 by 10 by 20s With the with the with the fabric cover you can't turn around build like the brothers A fixed physical building on top of Having the temporary storage as well. That's what I want to confirm, right? You get if you get it once you get Either temporary up to the max or you get a permanent building up to the max or a combination up to the max which can have you know 400 feet of Temporary 400 feet of another permanent building as well, right? Yes, if that space is used for the home business Then it is restricted to that square footage but in If you read the the bylaws I could actually put a 1400 square foot structure somewhere on there I mean as an accessory it doesn't have to be that building can be I can go build something over there for 1400 square feet At this point, that's not germane to this conversation If you wish to do that feel free to apply and we would be glad to hear your application If you build a different, but we're saying if you build the one building Those two temporaries that you have over in our zoning I have to be come down May I ask what the temporary screening or I'm sorry what the screening requirements are for personal use of the Yes, um chapter 20 outdoor storage is permitted within the required setbacks inside and rear When it is effectively screened from neighboring properties That's all that chapter 20 says Effectively screened would mean some landscaping or a fence Where it's buffered from the neighbor's property So the board or what is customary Offense so the defense off say your lawn tractor Yes, I would think so offense Or shrubbery to delineate the property line To keep it within your property Incontained I don't have any neighbors On the house side. I mean they're up In the development for outdoor storage Specifically with personal use not with commercial or home business What is your business? I'm just out of here. I see that I was a mason contractor and a builder Formerly Yes, I've did done that for 45 years Are you currently doing it? Are you tired? I still a little bit, but not much Yeah, do you know? No I'm downsizing I just moved in July when I moved there So there's an important threshold question whether this is a commercial whether these are commercial or personal use And does the does the regulations do they define that what's uh, what's personal or personal Yep, so um chapter 46 definition Outdoor storage is the outdoor placement stacking or stockpiling of materials Outdoor storage ranges from firewood stacked on residential premises to the stockpiling of gravel sand and other quarry products So it's up to the drb to determine Where we are on the spectrum The draft conclusion of law that I have drafted number one The outdoor storage of vehicles equipment building materials and debris at 212 old stage road Is or is not associated with the commercial use? So it'll be up to the drb to finish that sentence and then Craft a motion with it To determine if they believe it is or is not associated with commercial use And it's your assertion that these are not for commercial use right not now Retired I own it personally Is there I'm sorry. I'm reading the you just read the definition of outdoor storage, right? Is there a definition of personal use? A definition of a home business is an industrial or commercial activity that is conducted within a dwelling or an inaccessory structure that is Appuraten to a dwelling complies with appendix g and then under the peas Also residential Nothing nothing for personal use No definition for residential Yes, that'd be yeah residential use or personal use. I guess So nothing under residential use either Right, it would be up to the drb with the information provided to determine if What is shown in the photos? What's described in the violation letter in the complaint form if that is or is not a commercial use? Question basically It says here that the stockpile of the materials doesn't matter whether it's commercial or Residential you're not supposed to be stocking, you know stockpiling Materials like the plywood pile there Whether it's commercial or private it's supposed to be stored someplace inside correct No, um in chapter 20 you can have chapter 46 Yeah, yeah, so that's the definition of outdoor storage that then is Further explained in the other chapter so You can have a pile of of wood on your personal property for your own personal use The Determination here is if this is a personal use or not A homeowner can have a pile of bricks on their property and keep them in their in their backyard Um if they start selling the bricks or trucking them in and out for other purposes Then they might be crossing over that threshold. This isn't just for my personal patio project It's tracing into other categories for home business for an off-site commercial use Asking a question to neighbors the the it seems clear that there's issues with Visual use it seems it sounds like a lot of these pictures were taken from mr. T Bus property are are these how much of this can you see is it a visual is it visually There's two three as a breeze across probably 200 feet of of the property line Um, and so now this time of the year we can see it clearly Yeah, some of those pictures were taken from the driveway looking out that way Sir, it wasn't from the house They live in the house not in the driveway. Anything else you want to say? No, I'm all set Questions or comments from the audience All set Okay, thank you for coming If we're going to close the appeal of app 19 dash Great. Thank you the Development review board for the town of willis then tuesday november 27th is out of deliberation at 10 50 10 51 Let's see do I have a motion for dp 19 dash 0 5 michael and jessica brisette Yes As authorized by wdb 6.6 3 i john hemmelgarn moved at the wilson development review board Having reviewed the application submitted and all accompanying materials Including the recommendations of the town staff and the advisory boards required to comment on this application by the wilson development bylaw and having heard and duly considered the testimony presented at the public hearing of november 27th 2018 except the recommendations proposed by staff for the review of dp 19 dash 0 5 and authorize the applicant to proceed to residential growth management allocation review We are going to add recommendation number 5 That the applicant shall meet with planning staff prior Planning staff to discuss Chapter 11 growth management by the second i'll second it. Dave seconds it any further discussion No further discussion all in favor I Seven eyes. No nays motion carries I have a motion to approve dp 19 dash 0 6 more ways to move the discharge As authorized by wdb 6.6 3 i peter kelly moved at the wilson development review board Having reviewed the application submitted and all accompanying materials Including the recommendations of the town staff and the advisory boards required to comment on this application By the wilson development bylaw and having heard and duly considered the testimony presented at the public hearing of november 27 2018 and the recommendations proposed by staff for the review of dp 19 dash 0 6 And approve this application to move forward to Discretionary permit review We're going to add several recommendations Recommendation number 5 is added and reads as follows Lighting on the site shall comply with chapter 24 point 7 point 6 security lighting Recommendation number 6 is added and reads as follows Concept plan to be amended to include two parking spots at the proposed office Recommendation number 7 is added and reads as follows Concept plan to show truck turning templates for the largest anticipated vehicle And recommendation number 8 is added to read The applicant shall meet with the director of public works and fire department chief To clarify requirements for the proposed development prior to prior to submittal of a discretionary permit application Okay I think that with the truck turning you might want to end add Accessing the site at the last on the last two Everybody okay with that? Yeah, okay, so with that friendly amendment Uh recommendation number 7 reads as follows Concept plan to show truck turning templates for the largest anticipated vehicle accessing the site Okay, I'm okay with that everybody else right with that. Okay Uh, do I have a second? Paul seconds it Any further discussion? No for the discussion all in favor I Motion carries seven eyes. No nays motion carries. All right Next up is dp 19-07 quintan brothers. Do I have a motion as authorized by wdb? 6.3 i david saladino moved at the wilson development review board Having reviewed the application submitted in all accompanying materials including the recommendations of the town's staff and the advisory boards Required to comment on this application by the wilson development by-law and having heard and duly considered the testimony presented at the public hearing of November 27th 2018 The findings of fact and conclusions of law proposed by staff for the review of dp 19-07 And approved this discretionary permit subject to conditions above This approval authorizes the applicant to file final plans and paint approval of these plans from staff And then seek an administrative permit for the proposed development, which must proceed in strict conformance with the plans on which this approval is based uh post three changes to One change to the finding of fact To modify the dimensions of the new structure To note 46 feet by 24 feet Modify Conditions of approval number eight just to State any additional required vehicular bicycle parking so adding the word additional Um adding a um condition of approval number 22 that states applicant to provide cut sheet for proposed exterior lighting And Okay, do I have a second Paul seconds it any further discussion All in favor I Seven eyes no nays motion carries Uh, do I have a motion? Do I have a motion? Do I have a motion regarding the appeal? Of the notice of zoning violation by brookside properties llc As authorized by wdp 5.4 I jill spinnelly moved that the williston development review board Having reviewed the appeal of the administrator's decision All of the and all of the accompanying materials and having heard and duly considered the testimony presented at the public hearing of november 27th 2018 Except the finding of facts and conclusions of law for a pp 19-01 An appeal of a notice of zoning violation and uphold the decision of the administrator to require The appellant to remove the vehicle's equipment building materials and debris associated with the commercial use From to the i'm sorry from 212 old stage road I also move that we adopt The draft or the conclusions of law The following two conclusions of law one Is that the outdoor storage of vehicles equipment building materials and debris at 212 old stage road is associated with a commercial use? and two The outdoor storage of commercial materials and vehicles is prohibited in the rzd and vzd I also move that we add an additional finding of fact To include the pictures and summary from the november 26 2018 site visit conducted by emily heyman and brad falco second I Seven eyes no nays motion carries Do I have a approval to I have a motion to approve I'll move to accept the minutes of november 13th 2018 as proposed and written by staff It's a couple tries we'll get it Okay All right, okay, I will second as modified kill seconds for the discussion All in favor I have a motion to adjourn the meeting at one second. Oh, sorry one other business item. Yes, sir I have here before me Final plans submitted to our office for the north ridge subdivision Have reviewed them. Uh drb did retain ability to sign these And I am telling you that they are ready to sign and have been revised to meet conditions of approval by the d.r. Okay, very good. So we will sign them Okay, do I do I have a uh Motion to adjourn the meeting at 11 01 so moved. Thanks everybody. Good. Good meeting Jill david and john, um, give your