 Hello everybody if it's Wednesday, it's Warhammer and that must mean it's time for another episode of Warhammer Weekly Joining me as always is my one and only co-host for this show. It's Tyler. What's up, buddy? How you doing? Good good to be here bud Also, well, I'm not bud. Bud's in Bud's joined us today. Yeah, that's right. Yes We have the entire party at the all points the most Canadian Warhammer Weekly We could have possibly done And they are representing hard bud Dayton Tristan the whole gang But how you doing? Oh, we do it. Hey, how's it going? Hey, I'm buddy. Oh, buddy top Yeah, bud. He said my name. Oh No, I just want to say for everybody up here. Oh, thanks bud. Now. I just want to say for everybody here on well Warhammer Wednesdays, it's great to be here with you Vance and oh No, wrong guy. Taylor nice to be here Vance and Taylor I'm very excited to talk about the Warhammers and the Wednesday there boys, but what do you say it? Wednesday is my favorite day of the week. Some people call it hump day I call it jump day because it's a jump to the weekend You know when hockey night in Canada is gonna be on and we see I watch hockey all weekend In fact, the Jets are playing right now. I got my Budweiser Winnipeg Jets goal lamp class During the show. I hope I won't cheer too loud. Very nice. You'll go away. It's home Dayton. Yeah, I don't really good Hey, you know, I thought we're gonna go on stuff discussing about the old Tim Hortons raising the price on their coffees a You see this the triple-triples going up on price Really? Oh, yeah triple triple. How's Tina supposed to get For all Canadian energy we don't got that UBI yet command come on your Liberals get it together. I Think already we've set a bar that is too high for us to ever reach in a future episode So this may be the final episode of Warhammer weekly ever, but that's all right. We'll go out with a bang So tonight we're gonna be discussing lists. We're gonna be discussing how to build fun lists building competitive lists What goes into list building all that kind of stuff? We're gonna also talk about we're gonna have a lot a lot of people have some lists from Stormcast and oryx But we're going around the bend. It's not just those lists. A lot of people have requested We talk about those but so we're gonna work some of those in talk about what we see as fun versus competitive versus whatever And how we how we bridge that gap and I like it how we got rid of the jackets The dinner in the car has come off and now we're just down to the flannel also appropriate It's so there we go. There'll be many Growth changes throughout the show. I know I'm gonna pass right to Gotta put on the summer to you know the silo G1's what you wear to the beach make sure you rock in the shorts a I was 31 degrees. I'll see us today. That's like 88 Fahrenheit. I'm dying here boys You go all the way up to 88 88. How are you ice-plant? What's the humidity I like all the way Like he's goes bad you got a bad there boys Well, you're the one with no humidity We all have to be here All right step out the door for all those now Vance tell Taylor this is letter Kenny Warhammer weekly So I'm right excited. Let's start with the news Tyler. Go for it. Oh my god. Can we can we just quickly split? Let's get over it. Oh, we have a rumor engine. What do you guys we got it? We got it up. We got it up I'm gonna start having a Canadian accent come out because there's too much Canadian going on It's gonna infect all of us sure. It's gonna have to wait Taylor. Just you wait Okay, so I think it's a man eater because the manner it looks like a manner He's got that that treasure chest right right as belly. Mm-hmm. Yeah, you took it right out of me mouth Taylor Hmm Yeah, agreed. I Think it's I think it's a zombie pirate gargant's and that is a chest put in the gargant's pants Nice nice in the back pocket back pocket right there. Very plausible. Yeah, that's pretty good. I'm staying I also think oh, I Also think it could be it could be something to do with the oncoming Wraith fleet that is definitely happening That it could be some kind of horse pack rider, maybe it's some kind of donkey that's here for carrying things I Like honestly, she really looks like the new cover for the rush album that's supposed to be dropping I'm sure all of those are correct. Definitely the last one Yeah, it's to me. It really reads like the man eater Obviously, there was an old man eater that has the split jacket like it's note the split jacket here of the long coat And the old man eater had a similar coat that had treasure chests everywhere It is like that if that treasure chest, it's hard to tell the exact size, but it's clearly fairly decently sized It's not a teeny tiny baby thing that would fit on the the butt of a tiny 28 millimeter human because you can see how people have Actually been able to pick out the details without it looking horrible with the awful GW metal paints So anytime you see them actually be able to create something that resembles a line with the GW metal paint That tells you that It's not it's not too small of a thing so we can extrapolate a larger mini so yes I agree man eater updated man eater new ogre sculpts confirmed Which means we'll get ray fleet versus ogres. That's what that is Mm-hmm also confirmed in Underworld's very sure absolutely. Yes Yes There you go. All right, what else we don't have much news this week. What else we got? Oh, we don't you said armies on parade is opened up now Yep armies on parade opens if you're gonna submit digitally you can do so it started October 1st or whatever And it goes through the end of the month So that's it that's all and And I'll do that. I've had something planned for that for two years So still haven't painted a single model for it So if it put any kind of spackle on anything, but it's planned sure 20 Tristan 2022. That's your year That's your year. I'm straight. There you go I hope it's never was here honestly these last two years can just go take a dive y'all Yeah, they can go away. Yeah, two minutes in the penalty box at least I'm five in a game for sure Five for game. Yeah. Oh your bud Yeah, bud that is true All right, what else we got What else do we have we insert the gif Dragons, where are they? Yep. Where are my dragons weak dragon watch week? 12 Continues Here we are still on the front lines waiting to see the dragons. They have not arrived yet Where did you go my dragons? Where did you go? Where did you go? Yeah, I think we're probably all better off for it because if we actually had the dragons the fact that they're they're clearly under pointed And too strong would just be making everybody angry at new storm cast as it is new storm cast seemed pretty fair and fun so I hope we just get them delayed until The winner FAQ and then they just release them the same week. They point to just them up perfect No one has bought any. It's easy slam dunk Yeah, two to a three three eighty five. Let's go like just move them up the 50 points at minimum They should be moved up or 40 to 50 points, whatever somewhere that range where they should be up at least and And then you're good like you'd release them the same week Nobody's angry right because nobody's bought me like You know like that that attitude like you didn't know it wasn't bent, okay And then so they they come out. They're like not they're 325 now and the boss is like 300 It's okay, and here they are people's stupid voice Everyone has a stupid boy That's my stupid person voice. Yeah, you really get to know someone when you hear the stupid voice come over Yeah, we're talking about the winter FAQ that's now known as the spring FAQ I'm hoping this year this year. It's gonna be this year. I'll be different, but We'll be better, right? Yeah, you'll keep telling us they're gonna do it and then be like no, we didn't do it We're oh, oh Little come sooner summer in the prairies or the winter FAQ. Yeah, exactly. That's it's a We call a knee stroke. It's a race. All right, Tyler. What else we got that was the only one I didn't get that reference. I've been good so far Can't by the way, no taking note everybody Vince says new stormcast are fun and fair So, yeah, let's recall that one That's fine. I I stand in minus the dragons. I stand behind that statement completely Well in a world of LRL and everything else that's out there. We're good. I'm good Feel very fair world in a world of teleporting mega crushers. Yes. Yes in a world of Bill Sousa Mm-hmm where anything's good. It wouldn't matter. So we'll talk about that in a moment Something about a new big rat ogre. Yeah, man. Here he is. Let's get him up here New image boom. Look at this sweet guy He's a monkey paws. Yeah, he's got big old ridiculous hands like just sir hand. I guess Single classic Zeenchand. Yeah, look I love him I'm excited about having a new Scape and model of any type. So I see no issues It's cool. If you want it gives us an alternative rat ogre Which is nice because the existing rat ogres you can buy are complete and total trash and GW should feel bad for selling them for money Because they're that terrible In multiple different ways. Yes, they should not cry boxes of steel. Yeah, they should not be sold For monies it like if somebody threw those at me, I'd be like, oh god. What get it off me Like I would I yeah, I would shriek away from it. So yeah, this guy's cool. And it's nice to have a new rat ogre What would you name them? I took a question. I don't know. He looks like a charlie Broski Broski a bro Sally Broski's gonna throw down. He's gonna throw down mits down Duggle Doug from Montreal I'm gonna say big ball. I call him big ball because he's got a little big ball on his hand That's what I'd go for big ball. Wow Good. Oh, yeah, big ball. Oh little big ball ball Z ball Z All right, so What else that's it end of news like fastest news segment in the world That's what happens when they don't release anything for our game. It gets really easy This is where we do the introductions Oh Right, we got some event slides. Are we are we still doing that? Is that a thing? Vince slides. Oh gosh. I know I get Vince slides. Oh, oh, we've got slides, but don't worry. We'll get there in a minute Okay, I'm missing my I miss it I I was a dummy and messed something up and so now I have to No, it's fine. Nothing's wrong with the show It's just gonna make it annoying for me because I don't have my easy time stamp that I can put on That's fine My my bedtime alarm just went off so it's a 10 15 Oh good. Yeah, not not at all the kinds of time stamp I need but I appreciate all of it Thank you No pick of the week out back Pick of the week is next so we're gonna go round the horn so many picks of the week so many things to share They're all in the description, but start us off. You're first. What would you like to share with everybody? Okay, I feel like this is sort of lame because it's not weak is is my own thing Okay, I started to go find me about a week and a half or two weeks ago for a miniature hobby and gaming group for my school Just because the models that I had had kind of run out the paints were We couldn't do anything during covets. We're able to start up again. So the paints were kind of all gone. I'm like All right, I'm gonna put myself out there. I don't like doing this kind of thing. So I started to go fund me Raised I want I set a goal of $500 to get models and paints and I've already got like over $850 through the generosity of gamers who see a value in this program So I thought okay, this is more than I than I thought I'm able to get a really good start in my school And I was like I want more kids to have a chance to do this So I have a buddy that teaches at a school close close by and he's he's on that He's on the nerd spectrum. He's always been miniature curious, but never dove in I'm like, would you be interested in starting a club in your school if I could help get this going and he's like, yeah Yeah, absolutely. What would I what would I have to do? Like how I said, I'll I'll get you I'm gonna put the word out again. I'm gonna get some models for you Like army painter has been very generous In helping me out as well So I'm gonna get get him some paint and brushes and we're gonna we're gonna get to like good school programs Going in my area here where like kids can kids can find a place a lot of kids They have opportunities in school for sports and for like drama music theater that kind of thing But like kids who are like gamers sometimes they they're not involved in interest in other stuff And they find it hard to get involved in the school community and and this is a way where they feel like they have a place within the school So I love this the link is in the description. Go check it out Hit up bud with a couple bucks to help some awesome school kids get into the hobby Get into wargaming and the other thing you didn't say by that also say is it's also an art outlet, right? In a way that's I think a lot of people I think a lot of kids get scared of doing art classes there's not as many art classes around as there used to be right and You feel like I think if you tell a kid like oh go paint a canvas or something It's like I don't what I don't know what that means, right like it's very right It's so it's just not there's no connection to it, right? But if you say here's an awesome orc and you're gonna turn him into it like from gray into a look into a cool orc thing That's so much easier to get your head around right so it opens up this whole new avenue of artistic expression for kids as well But I think this is absolutely fantastic. I absolutely applaud you for leading this Initiative at your school, and I think it's I think it's thumbs up when you said it was your pick of the week I was gonna shout it out if you didn't so I think it's wonderful. So very good I'll tell a quick story. I had one kid two years ago in my in my seventh grade class like Could not sit could not concentrate on anything like in math class It was just he's all over the place and the kid comes into Like gets a paintbrush and a model in his hand and he is focused on that thing for 35 40 minutes And I'm blown away like at the attention that he paid to this and like just you see kids in a new light and you appreciate them like even more because You get to see some of their good sides because let's be honest math class not everyone likes math class even though It's awesome And you don't maybe don't see the the best that that kid could be and now in this situation you do Love it. Love it. Yeah. All right. That's fantastic Now let's hear everybody else's picks the week including my own which will be less important and impactful and interesting to what bud just shared All right Dayton, you're up next. What do you got? Yeah? I can't even do like jokes or anything after that Sorry, no, no, but that's been awesome. We you set the bar high enough. We can all just easily walk right under it Uh What's my pick of the week would be mr. Duck guts on twitch for when I have my sessions where I get to sit down for like six Hours straight. He's always there He has a wild stream. He's very entertaining. It's graphically very pleasing and You just never know what you're gonna have in your buds as you're painting away Very nice. There's a very few people like you get like two hours like what we do in here tonight two hours That's like nothing like he's just doing introductions at that point There you go duck guts twitch link in the description check it out Tristan you're up next buddy. What do you got? That's me. I'm on more Hamer Wednesdays. You are I got a couple actually Um, I have one that is one of my all-time favorite hobbyists Dan see the tyromancer. He is Incredible the dynamicism that he gets from any kit that he touches is awesome He's made I think seven or eight different types of leaping ma crusher like they are Gorgeous he fully like reshapes rib cages does different types of wings He like has whole jaws that he's oh, it's amazing and he's just like he's popped out a couple different things lately that have Just been gorgeous and I just I love his stuff He's a high-quality human being and it just it's somebody that like every time I see something of his pops up. I always go That good at something. Oh Which is which is kind of one of my favorite things in the hobbies whenever I see something that makes me almost mad levels of Like good. Yep. Yep. I know exactly what you're talking about and I one of them was at Nashcon because One of the players one of that had one of their mock crushes was one of his conversions that he had gotten off of him So awesome. There you go Was it one that I put in the sword because I put three mock crushers in the sword at Was did you my own did you put two in a single game into a sword? Yeah in the first turn then yes It was that it was that game, correct Yes, you did you did put one of it you did put it in the sword. Yes, it was because that was I can't remember I'm sorry Austin. That's who it was. Yes. Oh, that was a third game. I only put one in the sword back there. Yeah, okay Fletch come on. Yeah All right And my other one speaking of things that make you mad because they're so good is called this mini sucks It's some awesome YouTube content. He's only got two videos out But they are both pristine gorgeous editing and it's all tomb kings because you know, you got to got to represent It's Like it's crazy good. He's gone full dad You get to see his like his kids like helping him paint minis, but his stuff looks great It's like straight box art, but the videos are just so much fun It's just like it's something that you can show anybody and be like this is kind of what miniature painting is like But it's like glitzy glam. It's really well shot. It's gorgeous. It's like one of those things where I'm just like I'm never gonna do anything like that good. Mm-hmm. Nice Yep. Nice. Yeah. All right. I love it. I love it. Very good solid picks Tyler. You always have a bevy Thanks to share hit us with your mega mega quick So we got a new YouTube channel storm keep all about stormcasts bunch of guys doing a great job Analyzing less did a in-depth review really good. I Shout out them for having excellent power points. That's another which I which I appreciate I respect today We'll go over the 86 Yeah, they go Stick around an hour 10 will surprise you They did beat us which is not not hard, so I think they were four hours on their review, so hey good on him and Notorious a was Toria say what you guys know them the Sean's oh, yeah Sean's speaking of insanely long stormcast shows Absolutely. Yeah, they have Peter Atkinson on doing a plastic craic right craic Crack crack crack It's good crack Plus a crack I know I know I'm hopeless. So yeah, good show cruel boys Like Peter knows he knows the stuff. He's he's brilliant and then to save us all from going insane There is an amazing website called a was Aplis cleaner Which anyone who has created a list in the new a was out Please on behalf of all of us go to this website and run it through the filter So that we have you have a list that human beings can actually look at You say that again hint hint What what was it again? I'm going there right now Aplis cleaner. Yeah, you'll have to check out the link It's some weird long. That's amazing. Yes I don't know who did it it seems like like a JP Gannis thing, but I don't know sure I love it The output of your app is so Fundamentally repulsive that somebody immediately was like not and coded a new app Just to literally fix the output to make it legible by humans So when and when so we're gonna do lists tonight So we're gonna review lists from everybody and when I sent out the email saying what the show was about to everybody and gave Them their homework assignment I was like, please build this list in War scroll builder send me a war scroll builder output I was very specific because I'm so tired after the weekend of Nola at looking at all of these These awful We have so many people like now taken in because we're in a new a os3 big height We're gonna get all these people and 40k is in such a dumpster state right now That those people are starting to jump over to us because they're seeing how much fun We are and they look at our meta percentage and it's pretty varied, right? So they don't know about war scroll builder Like they don't know the history of what we've went through to get to where we are So they're just like, oh, I'll just upload my list off of this this app that gdw made. This is how it is, right? No It's so bad or they're trying to you actually what they're trying to do 40k players trying to use balescribe and I see worse No, somehow it's not worse somehow. It's actually better. That's Yeah, that's it says so much it says so much. Yeah With apologies to whoever did it just like please fix it. It's it's just atrocious Hey, mate, could you go into that app there and it's really bad right now. Could you please fix it for us? You need could you do that in a strong bed? Oh, man, you gotta fix that. It's really bad I mean that app you made I mean to cheat one don't take a look at your app and he said you got 500,000 viruses, man Excellent topical reference first of all fantastic a second of all. I completely agree with our with the the chair Recognizes the member strong bad With his excellent point that he has made it is seconded in the motion carries so My pick of the week is going to be if you still want to get into more orc action, which you may very well want to If you still want some more review if you somehow missed our five-hour Orc review show Honest Wargamer Rob did an iron jaws review frankly the only part of the book that you need to read He and Nathan did it. It was a great review. It's linked down in the description Because the reality is there is it is a book consisting of three armies and you only need to know about one of them So the other two The backhand in this fence, the backhand in this is just atrocious We haven't even seen what cruel boys can do yet. You're already just sweeping them under the rug. I am. Yes I'm not saying they're bad competitively. I'm sure they're fine. I'm saying They're not iron jaws, which is all that matters Like listen all this tells me is that Vince is a leg, man You know what you're not wrong like I need some muscly full-sized legs. Absolutely. Yes, I can't I don't want That's right. I don't I don't want those I don't want those short stubby legs. I want my orcs beefy meaty. I want him to look like carved slabs of meat That's what I want that whole book that whole book is fantastic. You just shut your mouth Wow coming in hard All right, top shelf selling by the by I can see That already for those of you out there watching right now. Hello everybody watching welcome to the bigger and expanded party at the all points I can't help but note that already two haters did not enjoy this Canadian adventure and That's unacceptable to me. So if you're watching right now show how much you you support our brothers to the north and this this this this collaboration we have going this US Canadian collaboration and And hit that like button do that. That's right. There you go the Mittens demand it There you go the 2010 Olympic original Hudson Bay Company Mitz Demand it's gorgeous. It's gorgeous vintage All right Two-hour episode on your mom Yeah She's legit like she like hobbies like no one else ever she should be the pick of the weeks at some point You're never too old to not be your mother's son and get some mittens that's period That's your mom always takes care of you. All right. Let's talk about some hobby time gentlemen But what are you been working on anything anything fun on your table? Do you paint anything or are you just getting everything ready for the kids? What's been doing? Yes getting getting things ready for the kids. So I've put together almost two complete Marvel crisis core sets since Saturday Captain Marvel is one of the absolute worst models to put together ever Fortunately, these are 13 year old kids. I am not filling in the gaps on those models for them Yeah, and my 3d printer has been going pretty hard getting terrain ready. So that's yeah, I'm gonna prime them I'm even gonna do a zenith on them so they can kind of see where the highlights are I got tips from this guy from Warhammer weekly. I reached out to him and he responded. So he's pretty good guy Go give him a follow. I heard he's got some pretty good info. It's it's it's it's give and take It's a little from column a little from column B Matthew to answer your question We're gonna talk about both competitive and fun list building We're gonna have examples of both as we get into it and talk about why we think they're either so yes It's competitive as your guests are yeah, I mean like And we're gonna talk about I think we all have it our own I honestly I think we're all probably more aligned than a lot of people as to what we view as competitive We'll see we'll see Because I mean those lists did you look at you were like what the hell is this guy thinking? They were all good lists like people sent me fun stuff That's what I liked because I don't think competitive means you lose fun That's part of what we're gonna talk about today. You can you can do both. It's cool. It's fine Then sent me a question. So which one's fun and which one's competitive? Which I didn't know how to take that exactly That's why I made about six and went okay, which one sucks a little bit more. All right. Yes Oh, don't worry skates. We will define fun. All right Dayton you obviously are hobbying you've got some hobby going on. What's what's all wait? You're working on something with wings. Is that a Marathi? I see there. Yeah It be her. Oh good man speaking of speaking of fun My favorite Canadian right now Dayton. All right. So yeah, yeah, I got the boys starting up here and what? Four weeks, I think yeah four weeks till the boys in New York Massachusetts, so yeah, I'll be going down and teaming up with Joe Joe Pagano and The rest of the tough club never car never him never him never him So yeah, that's like I got this model so I got baby Marathi already done large Marathi is on the go I started with the base. I had some pictures on the old Twitter. It turned out pretty good Purdy man. Yeah, I put some shades in the tufts, you know, you watch that guy and When you're distracted by the shiny dome, but once in a while he gives you some good bits and you got you gotta you got paint You got paint those toughs say Paint those toughs by the way I just want you to know that little Marathi is in fact in the in the chat right now and it's fully approving of your hobby projects Oh, hey, what she's she's she really sets the bar. I Just fantastic some of the stuff that comes out of her you're like, oh man, I gotta meet you And then I got the the viper nice, so that'll be that'll be the last part I'm gonna do some I got purples blues greens. That's the three-choice colors. So Solid it's a lot of last night. You're only missing the pink, but otherwise I like it No pink thing Tristan, what about you buddy? Mr. Mr. Conversion Whoo, that's right. Yeah, the only one of the the all of you to send me back up pictures to his list I will point out Tristan went over and above the assignment. So What have you been working on really recently bud? Listen, I'm nothing if not keen mostly I've been avoiding taking terrain back to my buddy Fraser. Hey Fraser. You're great to see in the chat I've been promising to bring it back for like two weeks We I ran a tournament about a month ago and Fraser provided all of the terrain And I just never gave it back Good plan. Thank you. Thank you. It's a great way to amass a collection. Yeah, exactly. Yeah So easy just means you gotta run another termini. Yeah, that's true. We yeah on the oil and Right right there on the island there bud. Yeah, right All right now we I don't want to talk about that now. I've been working on this big big lad I've been trying to get my Right there right there for you there Vance got my big Chad who shabty nice I've been Minting and doing blue stuff molds to try and do some collar work for here Okay, so that's been what I've been doing. I'm just trying to get him a little bit more together He's gonna have a big bow that I've already made out of both halves of the both halves out of Magnus the Reds big saber sword. He's got like the he's got the So there's like the big blade on it. I doubled that up so it looks like a big bow And so I'm just creating gigantic like arrows and stuff that he's gonna have inside of a little quiver on his side and Just kind of repping, you know repping the old school just gonna do that That's just I've sunk far too much time into a single man crusher, but you know how that is And so I've got I have two of my three man crushers in my list Painted and done all ready to go and then I just have to fully build two more magas and finish off another mega finish off that eusha up tea and Then I'll be able to play two thousand points once with them so be great be great I what I heard there Tristan is home stretch. All right. You're you're you're in the home stretch That's that's what I heard. I love it. Thank you Vance Figured out bud tick-tock to 2020 twos two months away there. Oh Oh, oh, oh and actually I know the next bit now Taylor. I know you have not done any hobby Have you played any games recently? Oh my god? Perfect I haven't tracked Vance. Thank you for asking Yeah, yeah, I'll talk about him later. No, I'm good. I'm good all right and and Gordrack Yeah, we're gonna talk about your look. We'll talk about some of your play experience as your when we get into your lists I love it for myself the journey continues and gentlemen I'm excited to announce that when I'm down to three figs left to paint for Holy havoc. I finished one of them. Wow right before the show today There he is. There's my my first fulminator my first rat fulminator And this guy took for Bleeding ever. Oh my god. I thought you were saying ours It just it's just so long But he's good. He's done one done I realized I will never have more than four of these in my army ever like I would love to play in an army That had eight fulminators, but you just can't get them now, you know, they're all I have a I have a stockpile now You'll notice that my little head is turned sideways on this guy. See how he's looking at you right now Okay, how's it going? Hi. That's because of course he is built off of the Vandus hammerhand model and When there was a this is another one of those things where there was a bit site that Tom and I knew about Apparently no one else in the world knew about Because back in the dark times when there wasn't a lot of people playing they were breaking up the original starter set And they were selling off everything in the set starting at bids of a dollar And so Tom and I were able to secure a bunch of Vandus hammerhands for like somewhere between one and eight dollars a piece So I have a stockpile of these Dreykoth figures, but because they're all the Lord on Dreykoth. They're all like Extremely detailed not the normal ones aren't but this guy is just detail on detail So all mine are converted Vandus hammerhand. So they're all looking to the left So if you were to sit down and listen to tragically hip, what would you say would be the best album that they came out with? He'd say road apples road apples He made he brought a tear to the old this old man's eyes On the that CBC special. Oh, yeah, like he's just whoo. That's good. Come on now Guy that guy's dying of cancer and he still goes out on tour. Just great concert. Well, just amazing gentlemen You know what hats off boys hats off to Gordon Downey. That's just Love it So that leaves me with three figs left and about a month to go almost to the day We'll see if I can make it. It's gonna be a it's gonna be a race It's gonna be a race because I also have to build a display board in here Is it ain't like Tom's gonna do it? So but I've got bases and stuff like that. So We're good. We're good faces and faces. That's right Two guys on foot. Well a guy on foot another one of those jerks and then a The a very special fig that'll be a mini diorama. So won't that be fun? Any rate, let's talk fun. Yeah, it's let's talk about Tyler. Shall we talk about events real quick? I've got our events calendar up Watch the movie take us through events Yeah, I mean, I think we could probably just have the slides up and just have a little chat about Bill Sousa Yeah, I mean Good thing a good thing to do. I think that's a great idea So the here I have all I have list of events up so people can see what's coming up lots of great stuff that I'm very excited for Yeah, well I go on this weekend It really is like there really is quite a bit of Just like I'm so excited to see all these tournaments going back. I really am I love seeing like last weekend We had all these results from around the world and I was like this is fantastic And first of all, it's great to see so many different lists doing well when you look at the top tens It's healthy now. There are some lists. There are some armies outperforming Okay, let's all be honest with ourselves. We know that there are some armies outperforming Some things are a little too good, but overall the Met is pretty healthy And in fact, we're all gonna talk about NOLA the Warhammer event down in New Orleans real quick I should mention this because it's gonna set up for later. We're in our in our 5-0 our top bracket We had both Caleb Walters a usual suspect running Zech his usual army. He's a great player great guy great list Caleb is a great guy. He's often in the chat. I don't know if he's there today, but he is, you know, like Obviously an amazingly good player and then the other 5-0 was Bill Sousa the magic man of Warhammer in the United States and He went 5-0 with slanesh And I heard some people say does that change your opinion on slanesh? No No, not even a little 0% because that Bill Sousa winning an event with slanesh does not prove anything about slanesh It only proves everything I already know about Bill Sousa that he's one of the best players in the world Bill Sousa could show up with a poutine and a coffee and still go 5-0. Oh, yeah Yeah, I get Saigoura on there too, but yes He's he's you can't and then the greatest thing about Bill Sousa is people will look at this like list Like feck or something. Yeah, yeah. Oh I can take this that far too. This looks I can run this list. No, you fucking know you can't Bill Sousa is it's just something else, right like this appreciate what that man does I ride along for the hype, but No one's as Bill Sousa that you just can't you can't push minis like that guy get right somebody made that exact point on a Podcast that came out yesterday. Oh, yeah It's a pretty good party. It wasn't Dayton who made that point. What? Yeah, I made the point about the COVID be in the haunted Civic She don't die Really salient point So we'll turn to talk about Bill's list a little bit actually in the lists because I think that it's worth talking about It's a very interesting list and it shows that like that that ultimately 3.0 more than any addition so far skill is the ultimate determinant of factor in who wins and To you do not have to just use the only net list that you see on the internet to win This isn't the situation you can in fact if you are a player of skill take many different things and go very far And so yeah, there we go All right So this is the October events. I also I'm gonna leave the November up here for a second, but Many many there's a cast I came in like top. There was there's a piece of cast top 10 as well I think two different pieces across to the events. Yes went for one. It's great Thumbs up Proof of the health of the meta Yeah, good on you JP for I think he 5-0ed with Sunsets on slots Yeah, it was good to see Yeah, so yeah, you know, we don't get to see those giants spending enough time in the spotlight, you know, it's a shame Absolutely, absolutely They release the army. No one plays it. No one's getting the results JP was there Yeah Sorry, when you set a fun list, it's really hard not to just be like Sun's bomb sure sure more models I'm getting trash. I'm still gonna win or not. We'll be done in turn two anyways. We'll figure it out. Yeah It's gonna Tristan I have no doubt this is why you've got to finish that that army my friend You get it and I got to do it before the points update Or they break a rule or something. Yes, exactly I mean, I don't think they can change the points of the army. That's the problem. You can't change the points You get four units. It's just you get what are you gonna do make them take three and have 300 points spent on nothing Like that's what's gonna happen. They just like dismiss your army and Like what they should the answer is put out a new book that doesn't have a singular broken rule that then flavors But the rest of the army does maybe what I said originally was correct And it's still right which was you started from one bad rule as they openly admitted in the design article about it When they said we knew we wanted to have the objective captured thing And that's what we started from which was the worst place to start from because then it ruined the rest of the book at any rate Let's move on so gentlemen are you ready to? Talk about lists. Shall we do it? Okay? Excited to be here on Warhammer Wednesdays to talk about fun lists with Vance and Taylor very good. I thought we're gonna talk about what's gonna be the next so it was beasts or monsters this time What's it gonna be next? Oh, okay? Like what's the what's the you're asking next gb? What's the thing? Okay? Next ghp. Well, it's not gonna be monsters again, obviously, and it's gonna be realm based, right? Yeah, this isn't girl, which is a monster realm. Okay. We're going. We're going shayesh next We're going no good Tristan. Yeah, there you go. I think we are following along with ye olden Warhammer underpants. Yeah, the underworld. Yep, and we are gonna go to Olga I think it's gonna be a spooky Spooky realm. I think it's gonna be smoke. I think it's gonna be a whole bunch of little things But what does that mean for how they focus the rules? That's a real question. Does shooting go away? Who knows? Oh, I mean, oh Yes, it will it will mean that we we won't have a crew boys. Here's what I think. Yes It'll be will go you want my you want my you want my pointing at left field Dayton? Here we go. Yeah, okay? It will be an old who I think Tristan's absolutely, right? Yes, there'll be a general limit to shooting all like some pseudo night fighting type rule Okay, and those will still be fine. They'll still have the exception, right? We won't have the correct language Yeah, we won't have the right language. Yes, what are tight sir? So Sentinels will still shoot through it But it'll it'll like some kind of night fighting limiting range blah blah blah and X rounds of the game whatever whatever and I think instead of hat like that either that either we won't have a generic command ability and instead will have a generic We'll have a very standard generic spell only or what either the spell or the command ability is going to be a Misty teleport and the other thing and then other command ability will be some kind of or it'll be like a new command trait or Something universal that you can take that'll let you ambush Okay, like and we're gonna get Because it's gonna be like mist and shadows and we all you're coming from the side of the board and then you teleport in the mist Spooky you else we get shadow elves and then we'll get the shadow elves. Yes, we'll get Malarian's forces. Yes Yeah So he's gonna be like cool. I'm gonna kill the person I slept with Okay Her kid It always goes there. He always goes there Dayton always goes there. You're always like, oh, is that a third rail better? Not touch it. Oh Here comes David. I mean her real relationship was with Tyrion in the end times. That was what we were all here for That's what we all clocked in for so that's what we were shipping. Okay, so all right Let's talk about list building and fun. Here we go. I want to talk about platonic Warhammer a little bit That's right. We're gonna get this is where we're beginning So in class Warhammer, that's right Tyler and I have this the long-going thing about platonic Warhammer working class Warhammer And I have a belief my belief is that building like the a hard-edge competitive list isn't actually worth anything Joker What I mean by that is The obviously bent things are are so prima facie Smack you in the face from the beginning of most books Taking them and building a skew list or copying a netlist is not anything interesting Nor does it actually make a bad player very good. You might beat up other like Friends who maybe if you have friends who aren't very good at the game Maybe it makes you good at beating them up if they also don't really understand the fundamentals But if you take that to a tournament and play against somebody with an average list who has any amount of skill They will take you to the cleaners Every time so you're you're so the the concept of having this like playing a list that is just full of hard-edge competitive stuff Because it's quote-unquote good or the way to win. I've never believed that I've never bought it but it doesn't mean I love how people make this at the same time like a light switch conversation and They say oh, so you can just take anything and it's all you just doesn't matter your list just doesn't matter at all and Is that what I said that is not what I said Those were not the words that came out of my mouth in any way shape or form, so please don't miscolor them What I'm saying is that Your list can have variability In a lot of different ways you can throttle things you can play with pet units all the stuff I have on the screen here. You can make your list fun for you Compelling for you up. We lost Tristan. He'll be back. It happens every show. It happens Fine, he'll be back Tristan when you come back in don't forget you got to turn your camera back on and The so to me Welcome back to me the more interesting thing is actually how do you build a fun list for you a List that you're going to want to play that you're gonna want to get the reps in that you're gonna want to build the skill with To actually then be able to do well with it That's so much more compelling challenge because the answer for each of us is going to be different I think to some degree. All right, that's my thesis statement But what do you think about that? Do you think I'm I'm crazy or do you think I'm in I'm in a sensual area here I Definitely agree with you that like a bad player can't take a net list and and automatically do good And I'm the proof of that Because I'm like I am not a good player and I For the longest time I only played gets I only played like squigs And I went to a hammer time event early early in lockdown So like last May and I got throttled for three games and you know what I had like I had fun I met great people But at the same time I wanted to give my opponents like a Bit of a challenge Like I wanted to I wanted it like for my opponent actually had to feel like they played the game and not just like Move their daughter move their models roll dice and delete my army So like that's why I went to something a lot harder, which we'll see in my competitive list later So I hey are you are are you done jumping on my friend bud? Because this isn't the bud that I know this may have been the but I was introduced to but the bud I know now played a bunch of TTS games against top talent people and learned his list and learned the game really well and Showed up and good kick anyone's butt on the table. Thanks for spoiling the end there Dayton He always steps on it. He always steps on it. I just I can't listen to this my friend I was I was it was it was part of a story and I wasn't gonna be a long story but the long and short of it is is Yes, I totally I agree with like taking the net list part but I think I think it's okay to use stuff that other people have used just to try it out and figure out what you like because like some people aren't good at building lists and So seeing what other people have done you get a bit of a bit of an idea more of an idea of like some of the synergies that work That that make an army fun. Love that 100% you're dead on there bud. That's great Tristan, what about yourself? I mean you're you're you seem not the slave to competitive list building. I will say So how do yes, so how are you thinking about fun in your lists, right? For me Like for me whenever comes to fun in my list. I want something that can Engage my opponent, but then also engages what I take as fun into account like for me. I love having control I love having my army not die like I'm like whenever I play Let's say first person shooters or whatever. I'm a sniper. I don't like dying I like killing the other thing, but I don't like dying myself But at the same time I love playing with people I'm not here to play like a tower defense game where right just a wave of people are coming at me And I just I control everything no I want to be able to have a fun engaging time with my friend whenever I'm on the table So I like to take elements that are engaging that are something that goes out and touches somebody But then I still like like for me I still like having the opportunity to have those more control elements and to have like the Three or four things and like the optionality in my list because like I really love Running like more of a Highlander style build if we're gonna draw from magic like we do Like every 25 minutes on the show sure I Like having the option of just having like one of each type of unit or Barring that like maybe a couple small versions of the same unit or things that do similar things But I love having the unit that does a specific task to do a specific thing in your list Like that's where my phone comes from and it's trying to execute that like I know that's the same for me Whenever it comes to just about any type of game I play because I coach basketball. So I love having The ability to be like alright, this kid is good at this I'm gonna have him do this specific task and then give him the option to do all these other things too But I know I'm able to drill into him like if you're able to do this go do that thing And that's the same thing for my armies Yeah Love it two things I want to say one that aligns right with what's on the slide that I you know with roles Right like when thinking about your list think about the role you want the unit to fill Do they attack do they protect right these kinds of things like if you think about that between roles and my other one Was variability right have like a fun list and a competitive list overlapping that they'll both do many things That way you often are challenged throughout the game. You've got your you stay engaged You got things to think about you've got decisions to make all of that, right? I think those are and it doesn't mean by the way you have to have some hyper control list It just means maybe you get to play a little here you get to play a little there You've got optionality to it, right oftentimes a lot of you'll see some of these like Skiw you know bet lists and it's just like that is the least fun thing in the world because it does this one thing And it does it super well But the problem is one it ends up being unless it's hyper bent it ends up being not 5-0 competitive number one number two It ends up being a very Unenthusiastic like an unengaging play experience on both sides because you you know what you're doing before you sit down It doesn't matter who's on the other side of the table and your opponent is not gonna get a good game either Second thing I want to shout out real quick Frank Femia, I think I've I've just pronounced that I'm sorry Frank, but Frank is the one who made the AOS list cleaner app that you're talking about and he's in the chat So there you go. So let's all shout out Frank Frank way to go buddy I could give bits and triple triples on me there. I'm putting my hat on so I can take off my hat. There we go All right There we go Frank hats off to you there bud Gotta say the grandfather's name was Frank big Frank fan Frank you done dig good bud. There you go. I'm good. Not you bud Sorry bud. All right now Dayton you're building dock and you have Marathi So you're automatically barred from this conversation about My list guy put was caught was not Marathi. This is true. How do you how do you think about this whole discussion? first off You gotta like what the army is and aesthetically you got you're gonna be looking at it a ton You're gonna be painting it. You're gonna be playing it. You're gonna be getting your reps in you got to love the look of your army Whether that be thematically or visually whatever it is that you're getting behind That's that it's still about reps So I mostly go deaf because death is always the allegiance. I really really like Everything about it has been fantastic Fushier courts has been the big Back-corner faction that I like to play and that was the one that bud and I ran in a tournament that ran two-hour rounds. Oh my god Wow Fushier courts do really good against us upon it Sure, there's a lot. There's a lot of punks there But as for the dollars a cane I got into them quite a bit and I just really like the aesthetic The snake girls are fantastic. There's a lot of Dynamic poses in the model range even for some of the older stuff that they still carry forward There's there's a lot there that you can play with and and mess around with in the paint Yeah, and he got full female force, so that's pretty cool to represent. There you go But the list I ran against in hammer time eight That I went in Ridge. I know you're in the chat who put me down so round five I was undefeated and It was no Barathe. It was all snakes Round four you're undefeated round five. You got your ass kicked. Yeah, I played a seraphon in Ridge from Friggin Ontario Hamilton Yeah, hey, he's and you know, like when you're playing a seraphon and you're doing the introductions First time you're playing a Canadian the final in an English tournament, which is just brutal But I can't say right, but then he's like I'm like, oh, okay, seraphon. Maybe there's a chance He's like, oh, no, I've been playing seraphon for like ever. It's like my faction. I'm like, oh, okay, cool So, you know what you're doing There's a better chance that leaves one in the Stanley Cup than you bit be beating seraphon Yeah, you know, there's yeah double turn double care returning. It's things. It's so tech just doesn't go well I should take 1967 From what I understand only bad players lose because of the double turn so He's got you on that team. Yeah, he's got you on that Priority there you go. This is a thing that's fantastic about age of sigmar and that's why 40k you can just suck it There you go Tyler that's my biggest thing. Yeah, I like it. I like it What about and by the way that goes straight to like in my definition of fun My point is don't be afraid to utilize the units that you truly love And that could be because the model the story the rules the whole package, right? It's all got to be there Like you've got to find that fun all around right Tyler I'm gonna start I've got to say I'm gonna start convulsing if I don't like I'm Physically required to say three words season of war because it's the greatest Canadian expert of you know 2021 whenever they started. I mean YouTube channel is unreal. Yeah, Ridge Jordan You guys you guys do it. Yeah, I don't know something in the air up there Jordan took my feckless and beat the maybe played a game against Ridge and maybe done pretty good. We'll know So yeah, yeah, that's pretty good Nice so what what about how what didn't I mention on how you do you think of this stuff Tyler? Yeah, I think you've covered most of it. I mean we should probably just get into it You know, I'm sure there will be more of that comes up But yeah, I guess a big part of it to me is taking your foot off the gas a little bit Like I think it starts there, you know giving yourself a challenge. Yeah modern breweries love it. Yeah So and you'll see that I'm certainly my list. I'm sure a lot of lists here, you know, like they're they're good list Yeah, that's off the gas. Well, take me for a walk like let's say we've never met each other before We've never had a little discussion What do you play like what are you showing up on the table? Like if you're going in like a just a three-day or a sorry a three game one day or what are you showing up with? Well, they're right now iron jokes Yeah, I'm actually a very big fan of how my army looks put a lot of work into it Now Taylor. Yeah, I got that joke too. I Love being on Warhammer Wednesday, and we love having you. All right Yeah, I think that's throttling right like one of the things you can do when you're trying to make your list more for fun I think there's a level to this because I think that when you're when you're playing with You have to be able to set your level of engagement You probably have a different set of goals if you're playing it in your local club or at your local store or something like that Then you do then if you're going to a tournament where you're trying really hard to go 5-0. I don't think it changes the army Drastically, I think when a lot of people think about this They think oh, here's the competitive list and then I have to take total crap on the other side Right as though as though this is some kind of conversation That's just completely separate from each other when really I think it's just a matter of Throttling a few things down you go deeper down the bench Right you bring up those those second and third string players that maybe don't get a chance at the big time Right, but now they now they get to be in So and you don't have to go that far. I mean like yeah when I go to tournaments I am trying to win all my games. So I'm like I'm not throwing down that much, but definitely a little bit By the way, I love I'm a bigger fan of the budget than the witch witch elves Come on Jacob Repetitiveness is the rage of Sigmar. He's the Robert lunch of the Warhammer community. Hey, there you go Okay, all right, so I Want to talk about Bill Seuss's list for a minute I actually put this in the presentation because I thought it was worth talking about Because if you looked at this list, I think most people would go. Oh, that's total crap The first question is how does this list not the plan just get Mike Tyson's right and not just get punched in the face It's a top player in the last round Anthony yeah, Trent Nellie. Yeah, most beautiful man in Warhammer. Oh, he's just he's a gorgeous man He's fit. He was my round five at Nashcon, by the way Dayton. So yeah, he's sorry about that My god shoots you down the table and he shoots you down in physical appearances. It was a double whammy First of all, you're not wrong about that second part. He's got a great head of hair. He's way more fit than I am It's depressing. It's depressing, right But who can do more push-ups? I don't know honestly. Yeah, sure. I can do a lot of push-ups. I do a lot of push-ups. That is true I'll all right Listen Anthony next time we're at a tournament together Push up off in the middle of the floor. We're gonna decide this once and for all, okay For the belt, let's go. That's right So it's just a such a fun list because it does use unusual units. It uses a lot of units that people have written off It uses a lot of things people consider Basically bad I mean it to put it no other way It uses the burning head which is a endless spell that most people laugh at and think is complete, you know Garbage right and yet the mixture of all this together this witches brew That he is concocted here took him to a 5-0. Now. How does it work? I saw somebody ask I didn't watch any games that has played so I'm good I'm inferring what it does based on the fact that I placed Lanesh and know the army of theoretically well enough So obviously in the contorted epitome he has his Enrapturing circle, which is a very good match got him and he has the flaming weapon spell So you can turn the tentacle attacks up to a damage 3 or the 9 attacks off the girls into a damage 2 Which everyone's going to be your best bet depending on the rend you need the rend on the tentacles is Ren 2 if you're fighting into something with low armor, you're better off picking the top weapon just because it's more attacks But it's only run one So he has a little bit of damage on a thing that's super fast and can whip around because it's got speed chaser on it So Nessa is going to sit at the back of the line and use command abilities Where she needs to and cast like the pavan of slanesh on characters trying to snipe them out like people like Manfred Where she's going to roll you roll equal to their movement characteristic and every five up is a mortal wound So if they have a move of like 20 inches, you're just Rolling 20 dice reppin you just grip it and rip it And then his Hellstriders and his chariot are just fast things that get in the way of stuff his Seekers are and the cockatrices can all do some amount of range damage not a lot But they can all come together to do some amount of range damage to things at the same time He can do things like he has the soulstone shackles that he can use without risk because he basically never needs to charge Like maybe one unit in this army charges He never wants to charge right he's gonna move take over things shoot things down weaken them and then He has things like the cockatrices can yell at things and the blizz barbs can shoot at things and that's all fine Then between the calf spawn and the zone cockatrices and things like that He can shoot the burning head through all of them and cause a bunch of depravity so between all the shooting and his ability to like burning head his own people and The shackles can't bite him because he doesn't need to charge in so they can only further stop the opponent up he has a lot of ability to just farm the heck out of depravity and Be pushing to be summoning like 800 to 1200 points in a game easily Right easy, and I know I saw his like pack from on Twitter and he had at least two keepers there So he'd be like popping out at least one a turn and then of Nat. I believe he was chucked out. I think he had at least like 30 Demonets just ready to go Yeah, what's your make sense? Like that's usually that's often your summons It's like if you can if you can rack up the 12 12 12 a sort of good summoning pattern is like keeper 30 keeper Right, and that's generally how you're going The the damn and that's because just you need the bodies to go push somebody off a point They have built-in re-roll charges So even when they show up at 9 inches you can cockatrices for the mortal winds cockatrices for the mortal wounds to just scream She did 18 against Anthony's baron guard in the first turn 18 Wow, that's legal drinking age in Manitoba That is so he four upped and then rolled three sixes three four ups and three sixes. That's That's incredible. That's incredible Well, one of the few things that can actually punch through those stupid baron guard is something like that like a shooting mortal wound attack Ironically because they're they're basically immune to magic and they're basically immune to normal damage Even at like rend two or three None of that does anything to them. They're just that unit of six baron guard is hard as a coffin nail and But shooting mortal wound attacks will get there. That'll do the damage. That is incredible That's definitely a TSN turning point there boys Anthony eat the foxes to get to that final two I Did not know he beat Joe, but I'm happy to hear it so Okay, so I just what my point was is that I really wanted to show this list because I think this is proof in the pudding when people say We you can you can go down list you can pick things that you think are interesting You can go off of those, you know, whatever. Everybody says is the best thing you can take your pet units It's about having a synergistic strategy something where things have a role a purpose right variability Like he had options here of what he can do in both what he can summon and you know It's the nature of this particular list other list will have optionality in different ways, right? and Like if he now given as I said Bill Seuss is one of the best players in the country So I'm not saying anybody could take this list in five. Oh, that's that's my Halloween costume this year Vince It's just Bill Seuss. I'm gonna be Bill Seuss in this house Just wear a t-shirt that says I can five oh with anything. No, I'd be be sitting in America socks Yeah, just with the laptop flipped open Yeah, just yeah, just carry the laptop to sit down with that that power stance against the entire other team Yeah, what do you got right? So tweet that picture right now Love it. Okay. So did you guys know that this was actually a challenge? Oh, that's right? I've snucketed on you This is a challenge Oh That's right. Yeah, I Did not tell anyone that this was going to be a challenge activity But your homework will in fact be scored by all of us. We will be scoring it together everyone who is not you Will be voting on your lists in three categories style Fun potential and winning this These are the three critical elements that I have defined that we will vote on so All right The so everybody's list we're gonna go through it now we have two lists from everybody so style fun potential Winning this this is a game and we'll see who is the winner right at the end We do now because you just did it so there you go There it is off If you need an introduction to your podcast or any Yeah, I can write a song for you. What's the guy? He just just he brings him out of his ass, but that's what I do It's what I do just to answer fantastic the the only time that I they all all of my intro music just comes from things I steal from from Minniac and from John Nina's Podcasts when they when John raps a beat which by the way as we get into this I didn't mention the news I should have I'm going to mention it now First off as we accept this challenge you go into the list building. Don't forget to hit like subscribe all that stuff Also, here's a quick fun thing as we're talking about fun and tournament playing and the hobby And the line between all of those if there is a line Minniac is doing a little survey about whether you consider yourself more of a painter or more of a competitive player Or what does it mean to be a? Player of war games in general So he's trying to collect as much data as he can. It's a very short simple survey takes like literally 30 seconds It's not like events and Tyler survey where we we hit you with the real test This is very short and simple the link is in the description Click that link go fill out the survey and make your voice heard because I know Scott is going to do a show or a video out of it on his channel and he said he'll share the data over with With us so we can also use it for a show to maybe dissect it a little maybe we'll do some other surveying with that so Okay So tip to hit that link hit that link hit that like hit all the buttons as it says on the overlay Buttons are fun. Okay. We begin with Dayton. Oh, you're up first You be nothing without me Tristan that words coaster that works coaster. All right, so Dayton's fun list It's up on the screen right now. You picked iron jaws iron sons And pandering If you're gonna pick funnest list it has to be from destruction There's all I'll tell you right now There's a lot of iron jaws lists in the fun list site cuz I didn't we all went out and did this Independently like nobody knew what the other people were writing and there's a lot of iron jaws in the fun list But none of you took Gordrack. None of you had the balls to take Gordrack. So I You know, I want to forge by our narrative, okay, sure That's fine. All right, so your fun list five drops you got Megaboss war chaner shaman with the tome for the old double-caster shaman real Hey, no, his spell is what's it makes this list really fun because I'm gonna be going for that every single time Yes, he's got touched by the wall because he is in fact your general and He's got foot of gork to try to roll that big ten He's hurting his friends and then rolling for the big ten To try to stop somebody into the ground and then a second war chaner You got ten hard boys five brutes five brutes five hard boys six gorgon is six gorgon is all that meat 156 wounds of meat Dayton tell us about this white white. What about this is fun for you Why do you think this is fun? Because it's orcs and like I said anything from destruction is gonna be super fun to play I'm sure you're you're pushing pigs up the board. You're pushing your ma crusher. You got this big threat Meanwhile, you got this a little wizard Going crazy killing everything around him and just trying to get that foot of gorka like That's it And then you're gonna sit there and you're gonna be with your opponent and you're gonna be rolling dice And he's gonna be watching to see if you just keep getting that roll to just dismiss a unit right off the table And I'm telling you if you're not cheering on both sides for those dice rolls like that set that's You're missing the game you you want to get the the foot off I agree You got three bang threats You got three which you're not you're in a mighty destroyers around so your mega boss You're two six packs of gorgon is gonna be all over the board can't stop them Can't stop won't stop crazy pigs just charging everywhere. It's a good time. He got the brutes for backup I like it. I like if you want to go like super simple just dismiss everything and just run pigs Just all pigs You got the counter charging out of iron suns you get a lot of options. It's certainly certainly ticks a Lot of boxes. All right that book that that that that new book they came out with is just so much fun It I tend to go what's going on there? All right, but but so mad that Vince just sold that list I'm so mad. I don't worry. I'll sell everybody's list because it's not about that's that's for the audience. Everybody's getting a sales It's interesting. Yeah, I'm here in your corner, too. Okay. It well. It is a competition, but that's okay I'm gonna sell everybody's list. All right, let's get to the voting the voting What's it out of? Oh, sorry? Yes, I should have stated that the thing So you're gonna score everybody one through five. That is the scoring one being the worst five being the best All right, so bud you start us off style score for Dayton on the on the list I'm gonna give him a solid four on that one Okay, mainly because he made the weird notch Weird knob shaman the the general and I respect that a guy who's willing to make a big orc With like a bunch of magic eat stuff like shooting out of his eyeballs and his ear holes like that's I Love that aesthetic. So for Dayton you get a four from me. Nice. Appreciate it So a four overall on your style. What are you rating this on fun, bud? Fine, that's just too many slow-moving models. That's a two for fun. All right, and then finally winning this What are you rating? It's winning this I'm a bad player. So I'm gonna say 3.7 All right, I'm gonna round that up to four because I'm not doing the math for points. You have to be whole numbers That is the rules. I Can make up the rules as we go Tristan give your votes style. All right. Oh, I give it a three. Okay. I think it's middle of the road I think it's blatant pandering. I think The only reason why it gets above it too is because of the One cute like oh no, it's a fun list weird knob sham in general other than that. This is just a man They think this is just a regular list. That's all it is You're gonna be very depressed with my fun later than there is no regular list. Okay, the new game Oh, okay. Sure, bud. I mean not not bud. Not you things But yeah, I guess that's a solid three for me dog. All right, and then fun Where are you rating it? I'm giving that a I Think that this list would be quite a bit of fun to play even though it is slow-moving and Benow and just kind of like whatever I also give it a three. Okay, and then finally winning this Winning this it gets a four. All right, Tyler style for Dayton's fun list Style. All right. So dig in the touch by the wall. Let's see. Let's go with a Four out of five. Okay. Okay. Yeah, he's got he's got some good choices I mean, I appreciate the style of incoherent choices like pig iron chop is one inch reach on six piggies Great style that makes no sense. I love it Warhack and choppa, you know for up save mega Boston mall crush again completely makes no sense Excellent style for fun list Nice digging it. Okay And then your fun level Fun level. I agree with the boys. Yeah, it's it's too slow dating I mean, you do have two by six pigs. Maybe we're under rating that but dude you got to have two cabbages I mean, that's a starting point. It's like that's the baseline. So yeah Everyone's doing two. Okay, it might be fun. I got to do me That's fair. That's fair. Let's go. All right. Let's go three because that comment is gonna be two Let's go three. Okay, and then you're you're you're winning this Winning this this is a solid list and as someone who did it do a very good job Of leaning into the fun because it was too focused on the winning this element. I can't appreciate this So I'm gonna say four out of five. All right for myself date and I'm scoring you threes across the board I think it's it's solid. You didn't blow me away, but you just know nothing bad here. So Straight threes style fun winning this threes. It was glooms by guests before they went into this list, too By the way, that was just too hard to make a list All right, Dayton. Let's talk about your competitive list daughter's cane going for a little Dayton There we go going for yeah, cuz I stacked everybody like fun and then competitive. That's how everybody goes That way I that way I could create a score sheet. It was like in a Show we probably just let them do it All right, Dayton. So you got a shrine up top is the general the blood rack shrine You got the shadow stone, of course with mine razor the hag queen on the cauldron of blood With the blessing of cane prayer the malusai iron scale a hag queen on foot ten blood sisters ten blood stockers Ten blood sisters ten blood stockers five lifetakers to charge up and shoot at somebody all packed up in a five drop at 122 wounds talk to me so a lot of wounds a lot of units with no Marathi We got it. We got it. That's okay. Isn't that big but it's deceiving because you're getting five up saves after that Sure, unless you're throwing mortals, right? Dars the cane or never someone to look at and be like yeah, they look like they're not wearing much They could be blown over pretty easy. No, that's not the way it goes blood rack shrine being my general for because I needed to give her the plus one To cast because mine razor is such a key component to dollars a game It's not even fun Shadow stone just is needed and then obviously making her the general turns all my Snake ladies into battle line Because I don't want a bunch of hard-hitting ladies that can't take a hit and every single one of these you have to commit Like none of them are none of them are just gonna go away Units of 10 not 15 just because I don't want bravery to be the issue at the end of it all Obviously Marathi fits really well into these lists because she's Increasing attacks. She's doing all that stuff, but I'd like to try not to run Marathi Mm-hmm and the head queen on Caldera blood is Something you can never just forget about because she punches so hard. It's not even funny blood rack shrine falling behind through immortals the iron scale for the general are the the command trait to run and Charge with the 2d6 run and because you're running in I believe it took an hour yet Because I'm doing Hagnar your run is rerolling once right Right, so that's a That's a 8 inch your threat range is potentially Realistically like 28 inches sure with a unit of 10 They can get there. Oh, yeah dangerous snake ladies And those are the gonna be the ones that you're gonna put all your pops into so your head queens can be giving them the Chalice are the blood Whatever it is the head group so you're rerolling wounds And then hopefully you're getting off the mind razor because you put your blood rack shrine out of range to be dispelled Unless you're playing against bud, and he's just auto dispelling in any ways hate your list, but always both So yeah, you're gonna push up that 10 they're gonna be dealing with that There's another 10 behind it me while you got two units of 10 bloodstockers Just shoot away the buff pieces and whatever else they need to take into just ruin it Everybody's day and you got them five fun life takers to charge right slingshot either that's gonna be a de-strike option based against whatever lists you're playing against or There's someone that receives mind razor really well. Yeah, but it's so hard for 90 points. They're crazy good Jacob will be agreeing 100 100p that they are just they're a unit. You can't just glaze past nice All right, let's score it out Bud start us off style on Dayton's competitive list Style I dig the snake, so I'm given five right away. Nice. I I dig the snakes. I love the snakes I've played against the snakes. They are amazing Fun potential to play Boy, this is really subjective one. It's gonna be different for everyone. This Wouldn't be my favorite list to play But I like it more than the than the iron jaws one So I'm gonna give it a three. Okay, and winning this. I think it's pretty good I'm gonna give this I've lost to it a couple times. I'll give it a five. Okay, coming out strong Tristan style for the competitive snake list here Now for the competitive snake list. I'm gonna give this one a I don't think that like it's like what else are you gonna do? So I'm gonna give it a three Okay, kind of middle of the road I feel like it doesn't quite have the correct steeze for a snake list Like I feel like you could have done maybe I don't know just there's not so much a verb in it. All right. All right. How about fun? Fun, I think this would be really fun for Dayton And for the person playing it Hey, I could have brought Barathe. Do you know how much Barathe is to play against? Speaking of low buyers to clear Is this supposed to be fun for you to play or fun to play against it's a great it's a great discussion Yes, it's it's fun to play and that means it has to be engaging for everybody. Yes. Oh, so I'm gonna give it a lot of buffs There's a lot of buffs to have to go off. There's things that need to happen So that's a lot of things I don't want to have to think about even if I'm playing against it or playing it because this is all concentric circles This isn't TTS where you get to have this sweet little rings pop out and be super easy for me I'm gonna say I can never figure those out by the way. Yeah And and I think that little oh winning this I'm gonna give it a solid four I think that little Marathi just had a great point in the chat. It definitely needs a viper for style I think that's an excellent point from little Marathi Tyler hit unless you're playing against tons of a helmet and then you just keep that endless spell in the bag There you go Dang good on you man. This is an amazing list. You know this one. Yeah Five out of five on style. Okay. Honestly, no no Marathi. I mean starts with that. It's all snakes It's it's got two Shrines, you know two two wagons amazing All right, fun. Let's go. So I'm a sort of dock player myself Taking a lot of crap for playing dock at tournaments. So By Tristan's just take the hate take the hate. Yeah channel it into your dice And fail to always get your hyper Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I keep telling people like it's uh, you know, don't focus on stats It's a reason actually try to pick up the army and see how much it can fall apart how easily it dies Dayton It dies everything it dies real quick or it just hammers them off the table and turn to Oh, there's that. Yeah, oops Let's go with a middle of the I'll be fair. Let's go middle of the road three And uh fun, let's go with a or sorry winning winning winning winning Good, I want to give a five, but I don't get the all hammers and no screens like dock is screens and hammers Hammers and screens and this is all hammers like good on you to make it work I don't have no idea how you're winning lots of games The screen the screen is the 10 girls running up into your face. All right I guess oh, yeah the waves of the of the snakes Uh, so yeah for for that. All right for myself Uh, Dayton, I'm giving you a solid four on style because anybody who doesn't take Marathi and dock immediately gets a bonus point In my book that is just a winning method there plus you get so many more snakes and snakes are always what I was in a dock for Like I painted a ton of snakes. I have very few witch elves. It's all snakes in this house So that's where I'm living too Uh fun. I actually I'm going to give you a four on that as well. I think this is a very fun list to play against I quite like playing against this kind of dock list. It's fast. It's challenging. You don't feel like I Marathi often has a feel bad nature to it because the way she comes screaming across and is like, oh You can't kill me. So I'm just gonna sit here and it's like, okay Well, fine then I guess Uh, but you don't have that. That's not what's going on. Like your stuff can be killed You have to watch the punchback, you know, you like you have to use your piece of smart I have to use my piece of smart. That's that can be fun and engaging back and forth. I have things that need to happen Yeah, yeah, just there's there's interaction going on there, right? It's not just like you can it's not point and click and uh winningness Let me give you a solid three on that one I think like this is I think it's good But you you did a lot of things that I think will actually hurt a lot Namely being five drops in a one two drop meta of people that are gonna help with them snakes out of existence But uh, I dig it. All right Me Okay, so I'm I put myself in number two because I just I I alternated between us So it just everybody knows it's gonna go like party at the all points Then one of us and then party and so on because there was five of us and that's how that works Uh, you know, I feel bad now because I feel like I should have went wackier on the fun list But I didn't uh, so my list is iron jaws. It's blood toofs Okay, with a little hold the line Uh, we are at I've got a mega boss on maw crusher. He's got mega bossy. He's got the aminative destiny He's a fast and this is called the only package that I could click the buttons on it was weird I tried to click something else and war scroll builder had a pop up that popped up and said Did you mean? To select mega bossy amulet of destiny and fast and I was like, oh, I'm sorry. Yes. I did and so clippy help me out there Then we got a word We are all old enough to get that joke, but there might yeah, it should it should say rip to fist or whatever I don't know why it defaults to that. I forgot to change it. That's my fault. Um It it should be enough That's just me clicking too fast and not doing it because I was trying to prepare a copy and paste all these lists In the middle of work today So then we got a war channer Then we got a war channer then we got a war channer Then we got a mega boss on foot. What's not in my list spell casting Do you know why spell casting doesn't belong in orcish lists period get it out of here I understand everybody wanted that the like we want the foot of gork nonsense Spells are for weedy little grots Okay Punchin is her orcs That's what we do. There's no no no spells in this list zero spells Somebody wants to cast magic at me. You know, you know what my counter spell is killing the wizard That's that's my counter spell. Okay Then six gorgon is 10 brutes three gorgon is 10 art boys and iron skulls boys because iron skulls boys are awesome And I love them and I think they're a really cool Underworlds warband battle regiment plus plus command entourage for a four drop like it's just It's just trying to do meat I stand behind three war channers never take less than three Because then you get to then you get to drum at the table and every time I always get like yeah, I'm always like I'm using the sticks Plus one damage over here Plus one damage over here. I'm gonna try to get the plus one to hit Right like you got to play the sticks Exactly that's all I want all the time is playing the sticks So no magic just just beats just beats. It's all beats That's my list. That's my fun list. So Gentlemen, let's do some scores here But my my style is going to depend on on the answer to this question So when you have the war chanthers Do you have like those foam glow sticks that you can get at concerts or at hockey games? Like that they have and then they can bang them together Uh, under sticks. Yeah, I here we go. It's just uh It's like I I need to get that you're right. It's a deficiency. You should mark me down a point for not having it But that's completely fair Then it was a three. Uh, it's fair if if you did have them, uh, it would go up to a five if they were green Uh, if they're logical like blue red that would be a solid four Green would be a five. So I'm gonna have to give that a three right now. I'm I'm with that. I understand that. That's fair Okay, uh, fun potential. I'm gonna say four because I love drums I think it's a solid part of any band Um, and I like you more than Dayton. So I'm gonna give you a four on fun Hey winning this, um, I have no idea Um, I usually need to play something and if I lose to it It means it's slightly better than average. So I'm gonna give you, uh I'll give you a four. Okay Dayton hit me style I don't want to hit you. I want to hit bud right now. Well, that's all so fair Just reach over though Oh, I'm sorry. You get a bit cemented. I saw something exactly Uh So what we're doing we're doing style first style first obviously Iron jaws you can go the wazoo the the models look amazing Uh with a paint scheme behind it You're you're gonna pop There are a great army to have it's limited models. So you put more detail into what you're doing So style wise always a good choice. You can really make this army pop. They won't be lost in the numbers Um And then uh, so what's the score? I didn't catch it. What was the score? We'll do four. We'll do four. Okay, five. Five is our top five. No, I Look give me the numbers. I don't care. It's not gonna hurt my feelings It's just making lists So then uh, what are we at fun factor? Yeah fun factor. I should have really I should have really been taking notes during this You're good Fun factor. There's a lot coolness going on here. Uh Lead to super fast. There's gonna be doing a lot of movement shenanigans You get a lot of interaction with all the expeditional pylons and everything I believe Um, only if you're killing things though, so There's some fun there too And the three war chanters gonna be going off like crazy. You're gonna be wearing like a kilt. I imagine you're showing some leg I mean, that's always a plan. Yeah, it's it's very entertaining. Uh fun factor. Let's do another four Okay, destruction is always gonna be fun. It doesn't matter if you roll destruction. It's gonna be fun. Yeah Uh, and then competitiveness Uh, obviously you got your things covered. You got your mega boss on mod crusher With the emmy the destiny. So he's pretty, you know, that's your punch He's durable so he can take a hit back if he fails Uh, the additional damage the Brutes the unit of 10 bruce. That's something to chew through Um And they should also say that they have the long weapons and I don't know why I didn't change him But yes, they have the good rest. Yeah, mine was the same way. Honestly. Oh, yeah, I just Only only one person in this group of five is gonna jump honey for that. That's not gonna be Wow You got your art boys. You got your three. So you're coming back objectives your person. Thanks for You're gonna go three and two Fair enough if you roll well So that's a three. Yeah, that's a three. I I think that's fair. All right Tristan hit me style Style I originally had a four then I realized it wasn't goddrak and uh, yeah, that's fair. So I bumped you down to three That's fair. I can see that Fun. I feel like slamming out some cool beats Is a four I I back this I understand I would love to do some paradiddle drills just work on your left right so we can work it out I am actually a former drummer from a bunch of punk bands. So, uh, you know big fan And then winning I think three because I feel like your toys would get taken off there mate Take your toys off mate. All right, very good Uh, tyler hit me Go short sweet four Style four, okay fun of four three Four four three. All right. Very good Excellent. All right. Let's do vince's Uh Scroll there we go. Vince's competitive list. Okay. My competitive list is stormcast And it is in hammers of sigmar Uh, I don't work this uh, uh went a lot Accidentally you submitted your list. I was like, uh, that's gonna be kind of close, but that's all right. That's fine So here we go, uh in hammers of sigmar general is a night relic door Uh, let's just say lord relic. Why does it say night relic? We're gonna fix that. That's uh, you're killing it very different. Yes. Sorry lord relic. There we go Tasty choice there. Yeah general is the lord relic. Uh, with high priest Artifacts mirror shield prayers translocation. We got the celestine prime rocking in here. What are you doing to me prime times in the mix The lord of limits The lord imperitent For style points. Is this my rat cast? Yes. This is my rat cast army. That's what i'm gonna building toward Beat me to it. Beat me to it. Yeah, like this is literally just the list i'm building toward for my 2000 points. So it's fine So we've got lord relic door high priest. That's the generic command trait that lets you re-roll prayers Mirror shield translocation prime imperitent the night vexalore with the meteoric standard The night that's right. Not the teleport standard like a loser No, the meteoric standard like a winner because the meteoric standard combined with prime time lets you mortal wound Bomb the people you need to bomb And then the lord castellant who has the arcane tome and has the spell celestial blades Uh, because all of their normal spellcasters are crap So why not take a guy who already has awesome utility and just make him a spellcaster and give him the one Good spell you actually need Battle line is for dracothean guard fulminators Uh, the pain train as they might as well be called because good lord Uh, five vindicators five vindicators and we got three prosecutors with javelins Uh, three and then three annihilators with meteoric grand hammers Wrapped up in a battle regiment and command entourage magnificent coming in at 1994 drops only 94 wounds, but that's okay Uh, we can get there Uh, that's my competitive list Obviously the strats here are pretty simple. You've got different mortal wound bombing through the standard and the prime You've got the prime time drop. You've got bringing in the annihilators with grand hammers at a seven inch drop on the re-roll charge From the lord imperitent and you've got a bunch of free command points from him And the relector will translocate the fulminators every round He'll just be running around to translocate them so they can then move and charge There is no getting away from them. There is no redeploying away. There is no capturing them in combat I will re I will translocate on a two up re-rolling every round. You will not stop me And uh, that's how we do it. So there we go, bud Start us off style style, uh, I think this would be a visually stunning army on the tabletop and and not just because Your army would look really amazing, but I just I like I like the aesthetic of storm cast And I like all the heroes the vindicators are beautiful. I'm gonna give it Definitely a four I'm not one to commit to ones and fives um and for fun I'm gonna say I'm gonna say a five. I think fun to play against um, and I think fun for Like fun to use because you have a lot of options of what you're gonna do, right? Right And I haven't played against this kind of list. So I'm always interested in finding out what a list can do I don't need to know what an army does for me to enjoy playing against it So I'm not going to ask a lot of questions. Just just I want to know the cool tricks when they come That's gonna be so cool. Um, and then for competitiveness winningness A winningness. There you go I think you could do pretty good with this Again, I this is the part that I'm I'm really bad at like I'm really the just the commuted content It's all right I am not there for my wait. We all three of us are the comedic. So who's that? Oh, no Okay, uh, I'm going I'm gonna give this a four. All right right on Dayton hit me style on the storm cast Oh, right. I missed most of it because I had to go to the bathroom because that was crazy Uh Style wise you got a bunch of heroes. So you can really put some detail into that So look good on the table same thing low model count Armies are always going to stand out In my opinion because you can really focus in on what's going on Uh, so let's do that another four Because I never get fives. You're never gonna get that out of me. Vince. I'm sorry I don't care that's your show It's fine, man Fun the mortal wounds aren't fun. Vince hate to break it to you Says the guy plays talk I have more attacks than mortal wounds Okay, uh Yeah, it's You got some pieces that you can take away So you got some targets. So I guess there's some interactivity Interactivity Sure nailed it. That's the word That's not my forte So, yeah, there's some things you can take away. They're low model like low wound models So, yeah, there's some interactivity. I I I could have fun playing against this list. I think So we'll give you a three on that one. Okay, uh competitiveness. You're covering all your secondaries really well The only thing is you're lacking, uh monsters Sure, so that's gonna you're gonna deny But I think you're gonna lose You would lose potentially more than you would gain in tonight Uh And storm cast are sitting really good right now The book is really good. I mean, let's be fair storm cast. We're doing good before they got a book Uh, you're you're you could potentially go four in one of this list. You're not you're not winning a tournament though Okay So we're we're giving it a four. Is that then the number I think you could if you did well If you had the matchups, you can go for one of this. All right, I like it Tristan hit me styles would begin Okay style I had it a four at the beginning of this because I love all of the different units like even though you had a double Vindicators, I get it or vindictors Um, I love the fact that you have the prosecutors Uh, the annihilators like just like a nice variety of everything that's going on. I like writing down Yeah You have the up and down with the celson prime and then um, so I had you at a four to begin with But then you switched it from a lord relicter or from a night relicter to a lord relicter So i'm going with a five All right Big five out All right, and then for fun. Um, I feel like you would just Drop down and beat the living shit out of somebody. So i'm going with a three. Okay, so pretty fun But at the same time you'd probably get one's one sore sally Just pouting because it'd be like my toys are all gone and I don't like it Fair next round opponents be channeling my three-year-old Whatever All right, and winning this I uh, think that you would have a good chance at doing quite well Um, I feel like it would be a win for you to be able to get all of these painted And on the table that is gonna be the challenge That's that's the real thing right so i'm going with the solid i'm going with the solid four. All right Tyler style at style so It would be a five, but it's rats. So it's a four. Uh-huh. That's fair incredibly generous And keep in mind this all depends on whether you're coming on the next show No pressure And Absolutely Let's see. What's next the fun. What's next fun? Yes. I mean We've talked a lot about we spent two hours talking about stormcast and how fun they are Yeah, five obviously obviously They're they're they're amazing people people under eight how fun the army is especially for your opponents and the Competitiveness you don't have any ranged output other than mortal wound dropping. I mean you sort of Can do some power projection But you don't have judicators name your you know, no no focus range units I got a little bit spitting a little bit of javelinny action, but not much. Yep Yeah, so that's definitely a compromise that may be deliberate But that's gonna seemingly hold you back a little bit I mean you got the the four breaths from the fulminators, which can do little what's the range 12 inches on this Yeah, a bunches. Yeah, so yeah, I can do some work with translocation But uh, yeah, I'd say a four Yeah, with the lack of ranged output Fantastic. You got prime. Good choice. Stop crime homework prime time is great. Look, we all love the prime now They added seven magic words and now the prime Is like he's so good and he's such a good conversion target too, right? Because like the celestine prime is such a generic concept Right that you can just like whatever whatever you can imagine the cells I've converted three celestine primes over the course of of aos 3.0 and this will be my fourth I just can't stop making celestine primes Average height of those is what 12 inches? Uh, well one of them is kind of short actually in my tempest eye army Uh, but the other one but the other two make up for it because they're more than 12 inches tall So yes, we go Uh, that mean baby. Yeah, the the tempest eye one's real squat and short like near the ground So yeah, I wanted it to be more bulky, you know Yeah, it looks like a little looks like a little rock. I'm sock. I'm punchy robot. So okay Next up we've got bud. All right bud Fun list first Gloob spite Gits Yeah Run in the maws of jorke loonboss on mangler loonboss on cave squig fungoid cave shaman and a madcap shaman 12 squig hurt 10 squig hoppers 20 stavas 10 bounders and then a regular mangler squig and a Colossal squig That's right as well as morks mighty Mushroom, of course he did Line breaker and warlord drops. It just says here oodles, which I love oodles of drops all the drops Fantastic ammo destiny on the loonboss on mangler with envoy of the overbounder, of course, because that's what you do in maws of jorke and Got the CRE screamer squig on your cave squig loonboss Bud tell us anything else you want to tell us about this list Uh, it's definitely got hand the gork and squig lure Uh, it was something uh back in 2019 Uh, I ran I ran Something sort of similar. I didn't have the colossal on it. So this squig army. This is the first time where gw Dropped an army where it's like I have to have this army and I actually Preordered a bunch of it. I like I haven't done that with any Of my other armies. This was the first one like that first little teaser they did at christmas Like 2018 elvio with scrag rot The bad morn spoke to me. Yeah. Yeah. I was yeah, they they did the announcements at elvio I got hooked so hard on that and Like this this army is my love It's uh, it's I call it charge drink die Or charge die drink. There we go So, yeah, I mean it's got a lot of fun stuff it does I love it that squig herds can like do more damage when they run away than when they actually Get into combat and boy and girl outbounders can catch people out sometimes Um Yeah, it's just it it's oodles of fun and oodles of drops. There we go. Fantastic. All right. Let's score her out Dayton style Uh, obviously destruction Bunch of squigs squigs are like the greatest thing of course has been ever been made. Yep by gw hands down Fight me in the streets. They're there. Well, they're like third best, but they're in the top echelon. I agree So vince and I are fighting in the street. We'll fight the streets. That's fine five out of five Okay, it's just yeah, that's I tried to make a gloom spike gets I can't do it Bud's natural. He just pulls it up. It's done. Noa sing would be proud fun Uh And then fun Obviously You're you're winning when you're charging. You're having fun when you're losing Uh more smitey mushroom. That's just a blast to see on the table And it's a low model account gets list which is nice because it's going to be playing it's going to be playing fast Compared to what normally gets bring to the table where you're just like cool I'm just going to go grab a couple beers and you beat down your movement phase. All right. It's awesome So no, he's he's handling that it's going to be quick. It's going to be fun. I made it four or five. Okay Uh competitiveness. It's like a one out of five Yeah, you win the game you're going to win a game It's going to be round five you guys are going to have a blast You're going to win every game because you're having fun Yeah, but really you're going to be winning one game When I play so if I'm teaching one of my junior high students like play warhammer This I'm I'm bringing a bunch of squigs Love it. Love it But it's it's there. They're a good salesman for the game, honestly because they also look hilarious, right? And they act hilarious and it's funny Tristan Style points. All right All right style points as the second best thing gw's ever done Aka get butt into the hobby Um, I'm giving this a five because I love the design of this list It's a whole bunch of big stupid monsters doing big stupid monster things It's got a bunch of little gerblins like you've got the big stupid mushroom at the back Like this would look gorgeous And like just the steez of it all to be able to be like here's my Goblin army like that's it's gorgeous gorgeous to me Five five stars five stars. Just like you should rate the show five stars five stars Um for fun I also have it at five because I feel like both people will be Rolling around laughing at whatever goes on with this list because it's like the squigs running away The bounders bounding the just the cave shaman just looking like an idiot Like like the loon boss on mangler's squig Like there's just there's just a lot going on and I feel like both players be having a blast of this There's a lot of interactivity. There's Him trying to get off a spell Like it's great. It's great. Like I I think this would be an absolute best blast to like Throw into a dumpster be great I would wreck you bud And then competitiveness or winning this sorry winning this winning this I'm ranking a five because I feel like if you're playing this You're winning opponent's winning and I'm just taking the winning this because we have not defined winning this as the ability to win games We have defined it as the ability of winning this. That's right. What's your dictionary say defines winning this I love it. I love it Big this this could be a big winner across the board tyler style Yeah, yeah, but I don't know you but oh my god, man It's an indication of your ability to create fun lists You know that you actually did the assignment on the fun score unlike some of us myself included So good good on you five out of five style. Absolutely five out of five nailed it. It's incredible Reminds me of mitzvah type of list Shots to mitzvah and jimbo Yeah, it's uh, it's amazing and competitiveness. It's either a zero out of five or it's a five out of five So maybe put the coin We'll give it a three though I'll cut you in the middle I'm not gonna let you lose half your score on on a thing cut it in half round up. There you go for myself I got to agree style. Absolutely a five fun I'm actually going a four and the only reason I go a four instead of a five on the fun Is because it does have a lot of random stuff and sometimes that can actually Bite that that can bite both ways and if you get happened to get a little bit of bad You've played maws of jorke probably plenty I've played against it often this like a buddy in my group has this list And sometimes so just get like some rolls for moving or whatever and they'll just be crap And he's you know, like even with the extra dice even with all the tricks. He still just rolls crap Yeah, and his army just goes nowhere or the moon you roll a one and you don't have your run in charge Even in round two and you're like, uh And it saps out some part of your fun because they're so because that random is that this mitigates a lot of it Right, it does and it's cool But like I would love it if the big squigs and a lot of that would be mitigated if they were like a d6 Plus six or a you know, two d6 plus four or something like that Like those then at least you wouldn't feel like because sometimes you're just like, oh bad roll. No problem Oh, no, I'm still bad roll And you move your fun unit nowhere and they do nothing. It's like, oh Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yes. That has happened to everybody who's played maws of jorke at some point in time And it's that's the only not fun part of playing this list Uh Competitiveness Uh or winningness. Sorry winningness. I'm going to stick that in my freaking head Underline it. I'm the one who picked this word and I can't even stick to it winningness Uh, I'm giving you a solid three Let me tell you why I'm giving you a solid three My round four At nashkon was against a maws of jorke squig list Okay And it was pretty high up tables and that person had fought the same way up And I believe that that person ended up going three and two With a solid maws of jorke list. They were all maws of jorke Except for two little like the basically they had two shamans like you do, right? And uh similar similar ish list and He got there now. Look did he did it did it take the tournament? No But did he with through his own skill and a bit of maybe luck pull it down a three two? Yes, he did So there you go. I'm saw I'm saying Three on the on the winningness here. That's what I'm saying. All right Bud Competitive list here we go bud. We flip into the dark side Zech it was inevitable that that stupid bird would show up somewhere. Okay Host arcanum price sorcery all the stuff we love Kairos change caster archion great bray 10 pink horrors screamers screamers portal command entourage and battle regiment The cuttingest edge of cuttingest edge Uh competitiveness All right, anything you want to say about this other than it's gross Uh, I am going to say that four out of five of my opponents pick me as their best opponent There you go. Favorite opponent That's that means something if that was you not the list, but let's carry on This probably means you yes, that's going to say the same thing. All right Dayton style Ah, like I said low mile account can look good Uh, bud's actually he he he brings it to the table then it looks it looks pretty good. I've seen it four out of five. Okay Like I said, it's hitting my things low mile account key Jay fun fun I played against those lists so many times I played against Casper in that hammer time and he was the guy that won hammer time seven He ran this exact same list. It's not fun It's horrible. It's tense. My butthole is clenched during this whole time. He's casting spells. He's always in the game You think Archeon's the main threat. He's not you take him out that list still bites It's it's not fun, but you're making you're making friends because of you not because this list one out of five Uh competitive list it's still there and I actually really appreciate that it's still there because it's a hard counter to a lot of things that come out Um, you got those key bot pieces. They can just dismiss them right away Uh, Kyra's fate weaver's spell is just so good Um, the ability to shut down spells Still super key Archeon is just he He left aos 2 into aos 3 with open arms and he's still just a beat stick Uh, unless he plays against sons of bahamut and it's actually kind of a threat But um, yeah, it's you're you're you're doing well with this list four out of five. Okay Tristan style Style I was gonna go with one. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. But with the addition of the goat man a pimp named Great ray shaman. I am gonna go up to two. Okay. Okay. I feel like there's a little bit of steeze whenever you throw the goat boy in there That's fair. That's fair. We all do love to see a great ray shaman showing around You don't get to see enough of their actual army, but at least they guest star, you know, it's like uh The great ray shaman is the naked dog Of the beast of chaos world, you know, it's you really want to see him guest rapping. It's great when he shows up It's always gonna be it's always gonna be a banger. All right fun All right fun. I'm gonna go with one Yep Yep, just Just one it's Shuts off the things I want to do and then it eats me and I can't do anything about it. Chow's the destiny dice No, thanks. All right and moving on to win. I'm gonna go with four because it can Pull up a player whenever they don't really know what they're doing, but you still have to be able to do it Yep This is actually a pretty complicated list to play. Yes, I'll say it's this is one of those things like if you If you are someone who really doesn't understand how you know like how to play the game at a high level of skill And you take a list like this It's not gonna end well. This is actually a hard list to play Yeah, and it's it's one that I feel like you can learn with as I've seen well bud do um And it's something that I see as very rewarding to play So I feel like if you play this list it's a fair bit you will learn how to win Therefore the winningness comes from you playing the list. I like it Great great list. You're a great guy. Great list. Tyler Mm-hmm style. Yeah, so style. I'll take Dayton's words and so give it a let's say three Yeah, I need to see bud. I love to see your army. Is your army on twitter? Uh Half parts of it. I'm a very shy person on he's still trying to convert all the cowboy hats on the screamers Love to see it And uh fun. Yeah, I mean it's it's hard to go above a one on this list It is what it is. It's the it's been one of the bogeymen's I mean I got toned down slightly by the hit to arkeon and cogs though, but yeah, it's still probably a one And competitiveness five out of five. Yeah. Yeah, it's still incredible doing doing Yeah, it's just amazing list very nice for myself uh style solid two Uh, because you know, it is what it is Fun, uh, also a two. I'm gonna rate it slightly higher. I will give you a two on this on on the fun That's because because this arkeon's not like 14 feet tall or what? No, it's because I I This is again, we're giving our personal range of fun I play I've played against this list more times than I can count because this is what another one of my My club mates runs and runs at me like religiously some version of this. I faced out host arcana marquion Oh my god so many times and I will say It becomes an interesting puzzle to get out of right? Uh, so it's so I Some as a slanesh player. I enjoy pain. This is pain. Hence. I've got to give it at least a two Uh, winning this I'm going to give it a four Because it is a quite winning list as we all know Although I think it has taken a hit arkeon isn't as good as he used to be With his because he lost the one rule that was really putting him way over the top. He's still too cheap But uh, but he is he is easier to actually kill now Uh, I'm gonna do a very quick story about this list. I promise my wife My wife made me or told me to run a list like this Because I was running gifts and I was losing that like my games would end in turn two sure and she's like Well, why don't you play a harder list? I'm like, are you scared people won't like you? I'm like, well, yeah Like I want people she's like You're a fun guy play a hard list people will still love you and so I did Yeah, I mean if jacob berry can run Uh If uh, if jacob berry can run Marathi the bow snakes and go trek and still win best sports That says everything you need to know right there You're really Hi, hello, I welcome to the show. Why why aren't you on the show? Yes, she had to teach a class Uh, yeah, she she wasn't on the invite. I'll say this way. Yes Yes, welcome. It's good to have you. Uh, yeah, feel great to be here Nicole she has to listen to our shows like from when we start Recording before the show actually starts Which is usually like half an hour of just being Dayton being dumb waiting for Tristan And then listen to the whole actual show and edit the whole thing and then we Make obscure requests for songs that she has to find and put in the show as well. Nicole is amazing So what I'm hearing here is that Nicole is a saint Uh That should be that's her approval from the pope has already been locked in Law like already that's done if she's if she's put up with all that Yes Check She also curates she also curates the spotify playlist So it's dj she who bakes? Very nice very nice. We're rating everybody's lists Would you like to tear up Tyler's list, Nicole? Would you like to would you like to do Dayton's votes next round? Do I want to do Dayton's job for you? Oh, yeah for sure. Yeah, absolutely. All right Here we go. Okay. Tie on to tyler right so Uh The all that everybody gets situated while I explain tyler's fun list Uh, we've got we got a stan. We we all the while we're while we're bringing in our pinch hitter here Uh, so iron jaws iron suns. Boo. Uh, should always be blood tubes, but Gordorak come on. Hey now. You said you're gonna stan everybody. Hey, hey, hey I'm getting now. Just let you Listen, I know how to sell things. Just trust me. Okay, sure but Gordorak coming out big the fist of gork. That's right Swinging in with big Gordorak. He's got a war chanter. He's got a war chanter He's got another maw crusher. He has the shaman also the general Also with touch by the wall. He went for the great big green hand He's got far by five hard boys five hard boys ten brutes three piggies in double battle regiment For the super for the super low drop Uh, okay You've got Tristan so Uh That is our fun list from tyler So bud, let's score it out Nicole, don't worry. You're gonna get to see how we're doing this. We're rating all these lists on three things One through five style fun and winningness so and bud Let's begin. We have understalled gordorak. Gordorak is supposed to be the worst model in the army. Everybody's crapping on him We crapped on gordorak. You look at him and he's amazing So I think you need to keep that in mind and consideration of the funness and the quality of this list Okay, i'm done. All right. Pretty sure you looked at my zinch list and just said it was Like you guys hate on zinch archon. You've done that for months Maybe years That's just true. You've like killed my skull every time um So that being said i'm going to give this a minus four Not not a valid score on style Whole numbers whole numbers greater than zero has to be one through five I love I love gordorak. I love the fist of gork that that it's in there. Um, I like big character models Hashtag love archon um And yeah, so style i'm giving that a five right away if you're willing to put a great big big mean monster guy in there um fun potential I played with my my squigs against gordorak and he grabbed two manglers and bonked their heads together and knocked them out Which I absolutely it devastated me and I still have a little bit of shell shock from that So i'm giving it two for fun. Okay Winning this I have no idea, but if you guys hate gordorak so much, I'm going to say two All right I'm basing that purely on what you said just before I was about to do my vote. Love it. Sure All right. Nicole your votes one through five first off style. What do you think of the style of tyler's list? Listen, I I don't really know what's going on here. I kind of popped into checking on you guys I'm gonna give you fives all across the board I love it friendly canadian I love it over here cracking down the hammer We're just We're just gonna be friendly. You get fives Fantastic that is completely valid The chair approves. I love it. It's an orc list Nicole has rated it as fives. It is fives. There it is Tristan You can't you can't get her with the ax. I'm sorry. She's actually yeah, it's not this is axing you a question right now Style Tristan Whamp, whamp, whamp. Well, I started out with a five due to gourdrak being at the very top of the list But then as I went down, I just found more and more things to take away Like you you've got hand of gork Who likes hands? I can't explain what hands. Taylor. I can't find it, man I try it. No No, so that that's a minus one and then you have two groups of ard boys. That's not fun. We want brutes taylor brutes So we're down to Well, we lost him. We'll never know what the score is Tristan, he'll be back. All right. Oh All right, we didn't get your we didn't get your fund score Tristan. What was your fund score? All right, the fund score is a three. Okay, and then winning this Winning this this sucks. So it gets a one Sox taylor it sucks turtle for a little all right And for myself Style i'm gonna give you a solid four for including for including gourdrak. That is that is Absolutely that does have style now uh as far as fun goes Let's see I'm gonna give you a solid four on that as well winning this a double challenge. Yeah, it's and that's fun winning this you're in a three There you go Okay, awesome. All right Wonderful, let's do taylor's next list. By the way, nicole. Don't feel like you have to stick around whenever you want to shove Dayton back into your life I don't want to put too pressure on you He threw you into this shark pool and just ran Just pushed you over the edge and was like bye and then just left. So You're all good I'm a head on out I'm gonna leave the list building to the pros If you guys want to talk about bread or music, I'll come back but these are both excellent topics nicole Thank you very much for jumping on it. It was very fun. I'm glad we were able to get you on the show a little bit It was wonderful. Very nice to meet you Thank you, nicole. Let's talk wigger thans later All right, taylor's competitive list also in stormcast eternals Uh, okay. I'm gonna wait till uh, datan gets his headset on It's fine. He's not listed anyway. All right so Stormhost astral templars. What that's right Oh That's a very uh, or a very unusual choice price or three So that we got prime time leading up the list Then we got the lord relicter with high priest mirror shield and trans location. That seems familiar. You got to stop copying me Tyler, I mean really Very very unoriginal and then the castellate with arcane tome and celestial blades. I mean jeez Did you just like you're just copying me so hard? Oh my god, but that's the end of the hero list Uh five judicators with bows five liberators Uh, which yeah awesome lilies love to see them. You love to see it Uh five vindictors ten protectors with four star soul maces two fulminators and three vanguard raptors With long strike crossbows in a warlord and a hunter's the heartlands Uh for a total of a lot of drops Oh Okay, yeah, this should be a One drop no a two drop list. Yeah, let's just ignore hunters Okay, no, it's a warlord. Oh my god. This list is incoherent No, take back these bud You really pooch that one there. Yeah Yeah Yeah, what's next you're gonna mess up someone's name too or what that's right dirty ankles. That's only my thing Yeah, we all And you set yours to be in a form that couldn't be edited live on the screen. That's where you went wrong Did he take a picture of it? No, it was like a pdf. Taylor. No No, it was a pdf The shame coming I deserve all the shame. All right. All right, so tyler's list bud Style hit me. What do we got? Okay, um Yeah, there's a cellstone prime which I like, um Fulminators and storm cast Okay, he's got the crossbows. It's got vanguard raptors. So I'm gonna give you a four on style um fun boy There's a lot of shooty not as much punchy um What did astral templars even do? Yeah, that's what I was getting at bud is that yeah, basically take hunters out of this The entire army through astral is immune is immune. Yes It's immune to what sorry monstrous rampage astral templars immune to monstrous rampage Hunters the heartlands does that's a bud move right there. I'm just just letting you know that's a bud move um That's a flex. That's a flex actually I think that's right and he's just flexing on all of us. So I'm but as really big corn energy But it's really big corn energy. Yeah, and winning this I have no idea So let's say if it's your competitive list that you probably know what you're doing. So I'm going to say four Okay, what was your fun? I'm sorry. What was the fun number? Oh, uh, I think I said four. Okay. Got it. All right Dayton style Style Like a two out of five. These are all old models. Come on get on board stormcast has changed You gotta get on there. Everything's all kind of boxy. We got judicators. We got liberators Yeah Not feeling it lack of thunder striking prime. That was prime. Cool. That's what it uh Fun I mean it's got bodies. There's some things going on I just I really hate stormcast Okay Competitiveness winning this yes winning this if you will to be fair Um sell some primes there lord relic they're You know what honestly, I think vince's list is gonna do better than this list So we're doing a three Okay. All right. Tristan Okay, so I started out at a solid four for style And then I looked at your grand strategy and then I thought does he have a wizard? Oh, our canton. He has one. He has that lord castellan. Then I thought okay, so that'll get taken off You know what? We'll go to a three and then I looked at the and I was just like wait a second. He owns all these models That's a style on itself. We'll keep it at a solid three because I was going to keep going lower But you know what? You are able to play this army right out of the gate. Very cool Um, we're so next we're going to go to fun. I don't think this list is fun. I'm giving it a two okay I just feel like it's you know, just take your toys off mate sort of list. I feel like it's a little bit cute um a lot of Very good things, but a lot of things that I don't feel like have a ton of interactivity I do like the 10 pack of protectors though. I think that's dope as hell Um, but yeah, that's where I'm at Um, and then winning this whenever you're able to figure out what sort of battalion you're going to use I'm going to give you a higher score If you could tell me how many drops it is at this exact moment I will bump up my number. How many drops is this list taylor? five Oh, it's two You're doing a two You have a two for competitiveness warlord battle range That's not two Well, if it's warlord and hunters as it says here, it's nine drops. I'll say that It could be a two if you did a battle range with one troop hanging out You have to you have to drop an artifact which you don't want to do with this list, but yeah, yeah Okay, well I'm gonna go with two fair enough uh for myself Fun, uh, I think you got an interesting mix of stuff here. Uh, I you know, it's like I like protectors Uh, I think judicators are uh, you know good. Um I obviously like the the fulminators four is better than two. I mean admittedly The long strikes are are Yeah, okay. You know, they are what they are. I'm giving you a solid three on the style On the fun side three of them There's only three of them. That's why I said that yeah, if you would have had six and we might have got We would have got more style, but less fun. That's the problem Uh Fun, I actually like all the different lists or all the different units. It's good I think you got a lot of different things you're gonna be doing here. They're actually it does play in almost all the phases I think it's gonna be fun. It's gonna be a good challenge to play against. I'm giving you a solid three Uh competitiveness. I think it's I think it's interesting. I think you will be able to target some important components. I think that Uh Where I look and you have kind of a challenge is nothing I think the challenge to me is nothing really has strong hammer written all over it Right. Yeah, that's that's intentional. Yeah, it's just the temp protectors. Yeah, that's that's that's the challenge It doesn't yeah, you have to combo damage to pass dps checks things like that, right? So i'm putting it at a three For that so you're it's it's across the board nothing you'd have nothing deficient in this Yes, I I'm I'm seeing the lack of roles. I like identified that's that's my issue. Okay, okay, but good stuff All right, let's round out the evening. Here we go Uh, did we save the best for last? That's for you to judge So Tristan with the fun list his golden eagles the spell hunters of sigmar Cities of sigmar tempest I Anointed on frost heart as the general was swift as the wind and the zef right banner Celestial hurricane with battle mage and the aura of glory battle line is 20 phoenix guard 10 handgunners 10 handgunners And then we've got a gyrocopter three skywardens three skywardens two dracothean guard fulminators And a behemoth sneaking in there in the form of the arkanaught frigate Then we've got an emerald life swarm to back it all up Okay Tristan what would you like to tell us about this force while you're telling us I'm going to flip to a little picture of some of the the models you sent me Because there we go. So many pictures I did send you pictures So we all have had at least I know at least I think we all have We all have had that army where you read the little blurb inside of the battle to them and you go I want to do that I want to do that little thing that little like Paragraph hook that it just gets in your head and that's the thing that you think about for the next three days Whenever you're going over anything and that's what happened to me with this list and with this city's a sigma army I read just that little bit about spell hunters about the bounty hunters um Going out and like trying to catch spells and then I thought about how regular Humans and wizards and elves could like go out and do that And so in my head it was just like okay. Well, maybe they get like some extra tech pieces or something and then there was another one of those little bits In the in the city's sigma a book that was about the algoraxian empire that was all about this like really weird ancient Magic tech. So I was like, okay, I'll do a teched up city's a sigma army where we're going out and we're hunting down spells and I'm gonna want to do a cool like 1950s boat Like that's what I want to do. I want to do like one of those old pulp boats And then I want to have like some people flying like the old bird men's of krataza. Yes, and it's just It's just something that I had in my head that I needed to get out I Like I saw A couple of other people's ideas and I was just like, you know what that's close to what I want But like still in my head There's just like there's just something that I need to get out and that's what this army was all about It was all about expressing myself via the models Through that lens of The spell hunters and about all those things that I loved growing up like I loved the space opera the 1950s sci-fi fantasy splits And I wanted to be able to have something on the table that could represent that and do like, you know, pretty good Like I wanted to have Something that I felt like could go out and get objectives that are far away an army that could take off a couple key pieces Um And an army that I could feel proud of whenever I put it out on the table and be like I can do okay with this army Like I won't I know it's it's a four drop list So I have kind of like a 50 50 chance in my mind to be able to Decide how the game starts and for me this is a list where I want to go out and touch people like I want to be able to get that Connectivity to be able to get that game that's back and forth to be able to write those stories on the table with people and it's just something that I Like I know I just love to build and someday I'll paint this army This is actually one of the things that I'm going to do for that um That thing that gw runs the uh What's it called the armies on parade build armies on parade. Yeah, this is part of my armies on parade It's going to be this versus tomb kings mega gargants and a variety of tomb kings Nice like they're going to go into the endless deserts And try to get all of these super rare magic items and it's going to be just like the Marauding hordes of these crusaders these donbringers that are trying to go steal from these people that have just been there their entire Like existence and try to take away from them. So it's just it's a list that I Had in my head that I had like this visual image of and I just wanted to get out Very nice Uh, all right, I dig it Uh Let's do some voting but style All right, uh, I really like cities of sigmar. I like tempest I actually have Most of this army here except mine has a god trek in it, which is lots of fun um I love the frost art phoenix like this is this is a solid five for me for for uh, style nice um fun potential I see a lot of ways to give me a bad experience Uh, but at the same time, uh I mean phoenix garden handgunners and the hurricane um, oh no mainly the phoenix. Yeah, you kill fun I know I played against your fox list once um But so I don't I'm gonna give I'm gonna give it a three for fun Okay, okay, and it needs more god treks and pistoliers in it Um, I already had them converted I already had the handgunners converted. That's why they're in there. I love the handgunners. I love the handgunners um And for winning this again, this is the the part of the show that I have no idea So I'm gonna I said four for almost everyone. So I'm gonna say three because it's tristan There we go Gotcha got him Can we take a moment and just appreciate tristan? Of course we can't stick he is and his armies. Yeah, like he just pours his heart and soul into this Like he's just I'm so lucky to have him on the podcast Uh, it's close to crying. Don't make me do the statement. Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it on this show um I mean no crying. Skyward's super fun gyrocopters awesome scene on the table handgunners. I love the whole classic empire Uh, what is it victorian? European they're german look they're german. Yeah, mine aren't For sure as you can see from the candy slide, but I've seen I've seen photos um So, yeah The theme going on with the whole metal and everything going on I mean, it's a lot easier when we actually could see what this man is trying to do with this So fantastic, uh, let's give this one a five out of five Okay, big style points on the fun fun. There's some uh, there's some things going off here. He's dropping bombs Uh, he's tempting you to charge in so he could shoot at you big block of phoenix guard with the anointed Uh, that's that's a pain. That's pain the butt um Yeah, drath colian The frigate that one frigate going around The life swarm. Yeah, there's a lot of things going on here. That's actually really cool to be fun to interact and see go off Uh, so let's give this one a four or five. Okay Uh, competitiveness. Yes. What are we giving him on the winningness? Yeah, uh three out of five Okay, I Yeah, there's I don't think you could reach out and delete something if you needed to Okay, uh, it's durability. There's some chip damage all over this But if you got to take down 35 wounds a turn, I don't think this list will do it. Okay tyler style yeah Yeah, I think styles. Good to see the photos five out of five I think ridge is right. It would be cool to see derellia in this list Now, yeah, it would be amazing fun Yeah, I yeah, I'm feeling Dain's comments here. Yeah, I think I think five five on style four Five on fun and yeah three of five on competitiveness. Okay, that's that spot on For myself, I feel as though I I Tristan, I feel as though we are brothers from another mother here both for our shared Deep love of tomb kings plus obviously, you know that I am fully supportive of this sort of a conversion Uh, we you and I favor many of the same parts and pieces in this So here's what I'll say taste. Yes indeed Style you started in a five I'm moving you down to a four only because not enough pistoliers or outriders motorbikes That kind of thing. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I wanted them. I I know you did That that you keep the handgunners. I have no problem with them. It's those phoenix guard that are a problem Get rid of those. Those should be dudes on motorcycles. Those are done, too Those were in the picture They are they are good. They are good Fun you started a five. I'm subbing out a point here. Okay Only because you have phoenix guard at a frost heart in here, which is those are the opposite of fun They are anti fun in model form I'm sorry models are super teched up. They've got big bulky armor. They got the cool hail breads. Come on I know I hear you, but it's still a four And then winning this I think this is I think this is a good list that you like would have a lot of interesting options You've got good movement. You've got a couple things you could do. I agree It's not the biggest hammer, but I'm giving you a solid three on the competitiveness. No problem there I feel that that's solid overall okay Good stuff Now tristan There's his pictures again. Let's take another look. I understand what the handgunners handgunners are fun to convert And by the way, you did also pick some of my favorite units to convert into your handgunners there, so Again, like I use the same wings for my I have uh, uh sky wardens converted as well And I use the exact same wings the exact same face bodies man. They're so they're so they're so cool They're awesome. Yes. I love it. You're you're you're I'm telling you tristan. We we occupy one mind here, brother I love this army so much like It is an absolutely gorgeous thing and I want to see you eventually finish it out. I really do I was crushed. I couldn't make it the Nash gone because it's going to be one of those moments where it's like I'm going to do this army and I'm going to play vince and I'm going to kick his ass I just shot you off the table. All right, so, uh, yeah 100 Oh Competitive tristan taking us in our only foray tonight into the lumeneth realm lords from the great nation of aluminum Uh, they are priced sorcery as a grand strat The leaders avalanor the stone heart king and now with an allureth stone mage to back him up and share little secrets with him We've got a hurricane and wind mage and of course the cenari win seeker over there Battle line. We've got 30 wardens big ol brick five dawn writers 10 wardens No sentinels to be found in this list Then we've got a sort of regular allureth spear to the mountain and then we have an emerald life swarm All wrapped up into a battle regiment for a two drop uh, okay so Anything else you want to say about this one heavy heavy wardens strong on the wardens Wardens so I went with aluminium Because you get a pregame movement with three units. I'm thinking with that. You're able to push up one of your Mountains probably avalanor you're able to push up your wardens. You're able to get up into the battlefield Um with that you're also able to have your lower secret pop up wherever you want And then if you want you can even move it around And so it's just about getting up and smashing some face Like this this army has a lot of different units that could Absolutely wreck somebody's day like the mountains the Like the big pack of wardens like those are all three of those pretty solid hammers Especially the wardens like the wardens can take off anything in this game If you get enough Um the dawn writers are there to help speed up said wardens You also get run in charge from commandability from this army. So you're able to go up. You're able to take off somebody's head I also Added the bloodthirsty triumph just in case I have it so that way if I do do a teleport Which I have with the windmage. I could chuck up one of the mountains Then have run and have the uh re-roll charge and be able to hopefully smash somebody punch them in the mouth And then I threw in the life swarm there So then I'd be able to bring back some of those 30 packs of wardens Maybe get lucky with some dawn writers or alternatively just heal up the lower seeker because mr. Lower seeker here is Mostly here to be a distraction current effects drink. Yeah Yep drink and Like it's just it's it's a way for you to bait out either getting first turn or making the other person take first turn Whenever they don't want to do it It's a way that with solar flare you able to ruin their day if you get that spell off because it Makes their casting get worse you get some mortal wounds out there It just makes a little minefield for them to have to deal with And it's an army that can walk up the board and just pop somebody in the face You can have fun with this like this is a luminous army where you don't have to think as much You're able to go out and just be like, do you know what I'm doing today? I'm come over to punch you Love it. I've been a big fan of a log. Yeah. I support aluminium This is like that was my number one pick rather gay And I haven't really seen anybody play with it, but I think it's got real gas in the in the tank So I'm with you And like this is an army that I feel like with uh with the right matchups Like if you don't face anybody with a ton of shooting you could do really well And like it might not be a 5-0 army, but to me this is like Like basically an assured 3-2 Possible 4-1. I like it. Yeah, I will also say avalanor the stone heart king is like unbreakable In the current world like he's I mean obviously you can mortal wound him off or whatever, right? But um, you know sands getting sprayed down by mortal wounds That dude is very easy to just be like Unmovable by any normal damage, right? So Yes, okay, bud Style what do we got? I love the big hammer elves and so uh, the fact that he's got this the The stone heart king and the mountain and the stone mage Is is beautiful I would have like to to get a perfect score. I would have liked to have seen stone guard So i'm going to give a 4.5, which I know rounds up the five anyway. It does in my heart. It's a 4.5 Gotcha, so so I love that Um fun. It doesn't have any foxes. It doesn't have uh any Any shooty mortal woundy boys, uh, so Then again fun. I feel like this is very interactive So i'm going to give that a five as well And then winning this tristan already said three and two uh four and one, so i'll give it a four. Okay Dayton style What do you got? Uh, I hate I hate the the earth elves the elves Aesthetically they're just They don't they don't do it for me Uh, the big mountain guys are really cool. I know the big mountain guys are really cool um I'm also converting my uh Mountain because i'm gonna do this list or something like it, but i'm gonna do it. So the mountain's actually running I would say like for style not just aesthetically But because of how you just don't see these models in the table very often. I think is really cool So Let's do a three out of five. Okay on the fun side fun side There's a lot more elements here. It's more interactive. You're not just shutting down spells You're not just denying phases You're playing with the army. So I mean Luminuff have a very negative play experience So good on you for bringing this up and thinking that's gonna be uh, there's gonna be some fun involved So let's do two out of five. Okay Uh, competitiveness Sorry I love you too, buddy. I love you too and winning this uh There's some elements in here that'll hold things up You do have some punch Got that sec speed. There's a not enough. I don't think there's enough here Uh, I think you can go three and five. Maybe four and five Maybe four and five. No three five. Maybe four and five. You're three and five. All right. Three it is Tyler style. What do we got? Yeah, so yeah bud checked off two of the items that are thankfully not here. The third one is total clips Massive style for not taking that stupid thing So five out of five. Yeah run in the big cows. Uh hate these silly hats. There's no silly hats of stone guards Sorry bud. Uh those hats suck unless And fun, this is a fun list Tristan you are in it to win it tonight You yeah, no, yeah, yeah, just everything we said. No sentinels. No total clips, etc Uh two big cows al worth the spirit of the mountain is highly underrated in my opinion I I love that guy and he's got the Threes and twos he's got the builds in twos to wounds and the builds in minus two rents, which is huge for pushing out damage So, yeah, I think this would be uh, yeah pretty pretty fun to play against And competitive. What's the number? Hold on. You didn't give me the number. Sorry. Yeah, yeah Four out of five. Let's go And competitiveness. I think it's yeah, it's feels like a solid three out of five. Yeah, alumna is Underrated it's weird that we haven't seen it. I mean, it's not weird like There's sort of obvious list, you know, foxman and sentinels plus tech list is just kind of obvious And what what they do Yeah, if if we would start seeing a little more out of the box thinking with list We would probably see more alumna Yeah, no, I dig it Yep. All right style For me It's a solid four all the way to double double mountain 30 wardens I love everything about it. This is this is lumineth with style This is how you do it like this is a solid four all day all night. I have no problem with that Now here comes the surprise fun factor also a four This is would be my favorite LRL list to play against as for all the reasons fun You lose by including things that are just annoying to your opponent. You put none of them in you put the fun stuff in This is the stuff I I want to go toe to toe with the mountain and see who wins This is the hound versus the mountain showdown right here. That's what we want Okay, that's what we've been waiting for So solid four for me on that competitiveness. I agree with you. It's it's I think it's a three two I know that that tells me it's a three right there. Obviously, it's going to struggle in some situations But I think it's good. I think alumnia will catch some people out I think it's a very underrated sub faction So I love it solid three All the way from me. Okay. So give me two seconds here gentlemen Give you so many seconds I just like how how you know, it's late when tristan goes hard into the island accent. I love it so much And I don't even notice I just start slipping. All right. I'm all those ours I am That brings us to the end of our lists and I am ready to announce our winner With a grand total by the way the maximum score here because there was 12 votes cast on every person That was could have been five so the max score is 60 right easy math So thanks with a grand total of 50 out of 60 points beating out second place by one point Oh is Bud's fun list with the maws of jorke Taking it home There you go It's so hard So I ask well done well done bud uh, so Uh, this was very fun. I hope people got some cool ideas of you know, and honestly the fun part about it here is how Much some of these lists crossed over like we can see that some lists in the game It because of the nature of the army because of whatever you're just gonna fall more on that It's hard to make it competitive side. That's not to say you couldn't get there as I mentioned with the maws of jorke Right like you can push for that stuff. There's options but The in the end I think that the that it's not as though there's some bright line between fun and competitive It's a big It's a big overlapping cloud and sure we can look at the two ends and go By the way, bud's also holds the title of lowest list Just so we're all clear bud has the highest score and the lowest score uh with a 33 Out of 60 on the host arcadum z list still a pass in school So what I love is you sketched out both ends of the spectrum But it's fun to how much of it was in the middle there, right? Where so many things we were saying like yeah, it's competitive. It could be interesting You could play to it. This is your strength This would be your weakness. You'd have to learn how to play around it So I hope people found this a lot of fun of our little game here of Evaluating the list. I hope people got some list ideas for new Uh oryx and new storm caster at least iron. Josh is still a thing we all picked because that's the one to build with apparently Uh, but uh, I'm sure we'll talk about more of those but Dayton tristan. Thank you all so much. It was great to have you all on Great to be on vance and doot the loot. Doot If this was so much fun, thank you very much. Please go to my go fund me Please support kids painting and doing models in school. Yes. Yeah, absolutely Final shout out. Have you heard? Yeah, go check out part of these all points. It's actually been fun We've been going for like a year and a half now. There you go. Couple final things party at the all points Check it out. It will be links in the description go Listen subscribe hit buttons while you're here right now Hit like hit subscribe press all those fun buttons that are down below I don't know what's up with the the haters tonight. We've had a few though in the in the in the like dislike I'll tell you what we got to show these haters. What's up? 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