 Good evening everyone, welcome to once again the gathering of the Community Safety and Wellness Task Force. We've got a few technical difficulties there we're going to call them to show, but it is now 606 we will call this meeting to order. I hope all as well, with all of you, and all those who are joining us tonight. Tonight is really just a time to kind of look it back and see what we've done up to this point and talk about how we're going to actually actualize the work moving forward, especially as it relates to listening sessions. So we'll talk a little bit about our 90 day report, listening sessions and again the next steps. So with that said, with all grace and peace, we turned it over to Marsha to talk about our values we can get started. Good evening good to see you all. When I was thinking about this evening and our meeting and all that we've been doing for these last three months. We had a directive from the great James Baldwin came to mind and he just urges us that and and affirms that we to quote we can make America, what America must become. And I reflect on that relative to our values because those are the qualities that will make Durham what Durham must become. And I would like to just point out the ones especially of compassion, belonging, respect, patients. And, and, and then lots of intentionality. So with that, we will begin and savior, would you like and then we'll have a moment of silence, savior. And then we'll get on to our first agenda item where we are revisiting our public meeting guidelines and doing Campbell's going to lead us through that discussion. Thank you, Xavier. Good evening, everyone. There have been some changes, and thanks to Amber who had brought these changes to my attention regarding public meetings and how we manage this task force as well as the roundtables associated with the task force. So I'm just going to share with you and most most of the groups already. I've met with you and I've shared some of this insight, but just to make sure that everybody's on the same page we decided that we would discuss these insights at this task force meeting. So, the most important one that will affect us is how we operate roundtables because already we've been following the guidelines around meeting as a task force. So at that roundtables we've been meeting privately because that was the insight we had before. But there's a change in policy. And so the roundtables are now seen as a subcommittees. All subcommittees will have to have a gender and many minutes produced at these meetings as well as attendance for these meetings. Well, there is leeway that we don't have the roundtables may not have to submit this agenda like the two days in advance for the roundtable. There is still requirement that the roundtable meetings should be made public. Because of this, this will require that roundtables will have to establish earlier earlier on when they will be meeting. As I said, task force chairs, Marsha and Xavier have asked me that I ask you to prepare the dates for your subsequent roundtables for up to three months. I know it's difficult to plan that far in the future, but I think this will also help us to better organize our own very busy lives outside of the task force. In advance when exactly each of the roundtables will be meeting, we can better coordinate our times to attend as many of the roundtable meetings as possible. So we're asking that at your next roundtable meetings, you try to come together and create for the next three months, however often that you'll be meeting as a roundtable, the dates and times that you'll be meeting. I can submit that to me and then I'll submit everything over to Amber so that Amber could help us in posting this information on the task force website so the public can join should they want to join. Because the meetings are public, there'll be a Zoom link that the public can join. I know this will immediately cause concern because I know for some groups, there is plan for there to be private listing sessions. I agree with those sessions being private because of some of the people, the stakeholders who will be in these roundtable or in these listing sessions. For example, students who are under 18 years old and so we have to protect them, and there are ways around that. If we have just like any other public body in the city, if we don't have more than half or more of the roundtable number. So for example, if your roundtable group has six task force members, if you have the listening session, and there are only two, which is not half of six, it's less than half. Two of the roundtable members conducting this listening session, it might not need to be posted or recorded as it is with regard to formal meetings. And so that's one way to protect the vulnerable population. And should you be wanting to have roundtable groups, listing session, sorry, that are private. But we want for as many of the roundtable groups to be public so that because we're working forward with the public so that they can be a part of the process. And as you know already, you can through Martian Xavier ad ad hoc members to each roundtable and some groups have already done that and others I know are in the planning stage of inviting other people to join the roundtable. James will continue to, well, I know the SRO group has consistently been doing their own minutes, but James will continue to record the minutes. And if James is unable to do it, I will do it. Or your own task force members may choose to but James and I are going to be continuing to support you as best as possible. I think this is a good time to pause for any questions should you have any questions but that's, that's all the update I have regarding roundtables being public. So the most important part is, because it's not public we will have to share in advance the meeting times and Amber will help us with creating that zoom link. After each meeting there will have to be a minutes that will be produced and turn over to the city and that will be posted on to the task force website. That minutes should include the attendees for each roundtable. It should also include the minutes, well the minutes that the attendees, the date, and it does not have to be recorded as this is being recorded this task force meeting is being recorded it does not have to be recorded. It should be recorded virtually through video we just need and they just need the minutes produced with the attendance and the agenda. So that's the newest update and we're asking that each roundtable tries as best as possible to adhere to these changes as quickly as possible. Is there any question. Well, if there is there a way if we want all the roundtable members to be able to attend the listening sessions so we can all hear it, but to protect the anonymity of participants if they wish to since it's a zoom to before it becomes I don't know a public meeting or whatever let them know ahead of time they could just turn their camera off and change the name that appears on zoom as a participant or whatever. I wish there was but no, that's the only way around it if we have less than the quorum based on the only way to not have it as a public. So, right. That's a question like. So, I don't think all of our boards and commissions are streamed I know planning commission as, but I don't think most of the other ones are. Okay. Good to know. We have a new and I don't know if Councilwoman caviero if you had seen the update, but there's a new handbook. We had also spoken with the city one of the city attorneys. And I'm sure that is who advises of these policieships, and I'm right see you suspect you're going to help me here. Yes, so I think I answered mind you had this question in the chat so roundtables do not have to be streamed to YouTube, or recorded in the way that we are doing this larger task force meeting. This is just to have the zoom link provided to the public if they want to join. You know if they're interested. So, you do not have to string to YouTube and you do not have to record on zoom as as Dwayne said the minutes the written minutes will serve serve as record of the roundtable. That's great I love the increased transparency in this shift that we're making and the invitation to the public to be more engaged if they'd like to be. I take it and there's no more question. If not, I'll be turning over to senior. Thank you. So, there's no more questions we can move on to our listening session orientation. And we'll be led by task force members Tyler Shanice and Nori take it away. Peace everybody. I'm going to share my strength was set. So just as a heads up. We're not experts or specialists in this session we've just done, which is you know we've done a few so we're just going to walk through what I think in the process he was and is as a roundtable as you know Google folks working together to try to hear from students and then just kind of open the floor up see what other folks think about. I'll kind of ground this and while we're here, as far as you know the purpose of our listening sessions and then nori will go into how to prepare for the listening sessions he has a lot of experience. With the youth listening sessions from the office on you, and then we'll go into some of the considerations that we had as a roundtable, and then, you know, just share our guiding questions and then open the floor up. So to start off, and nori will dig into this more we talked about planning the listening sessions but just want to ground us all in while we're here with this quote that no one can stop us from imagining another kind of future, one that from the terrible cataclysm of violent conflicts of hateful division poverty and suffering. Let us begin to imagine the worlds you would like to inhabit the long lives, who will share and the many futures in our hands and so that this the part I love is the world we would like to We'll dig more into that with getting to the considerations that pass it off to nori and nori you can let me know when you want me to move the slide. Okay, thank you for that. Yeah, so, like Tyler said we just really want to these take this as a offering. We don't want to impose any of this on anyone. More so considerations but when thinking about listening sessions, there is like a sort of learning process and then there is an actual doing. I'm going to bring a little bit of to do the planning part here are some things that I found helpful when I was doing listening sessions with the opposite on youth. And that's first know your why and ask your appropriate questions. Quickly. You know, know what your listening sessions are and why you're doing them right and so you know if I am a part of the SRO round table. So I'm aware of what listening sessions we do, but I'm also aware of why I'm doing them right like I'm, I'm, you know, able to really find my goals and I'm able to be connected to them and know what you're asking, because I will like all of it is connected so it will be helpful if you know what you're asking and you know what you're doing. She can be really grounded into it. The second thing is is to get your team ready. The admin person should be handling food transportation logistics and making sure all materials are together for the event. I know, depending on how some listening sessions may be held that that may look a little different. But if you can have someone who's making sure that like certain things are handled. So you know you don't be scrambling around when the actually actual listening session comes around. Yeah, things can just be put into place. I mean you can sort of choose whoever it usually the person who is the admin person should also be working that session or should at least have a very good idea of what's going on in within a session. They should also have a pre meeting. If you have a pre meeting, you can also it serves as a purpose. So, folks can know what they're doing. And if they have any questions, they can also be be able to ask and you can throw a little practice round within that pre meeting. And so maybe you know you can bring in some folks to have a little practice round to, you know, get them prepared that especially for facilitators and for folks who may have not done that before. But it's also, like I said, just for folks to know what they're doing to know their roles. And to my third point is, you know, have your designated facilitators and they'll take us in greater. And the person who sometimes the person who's doing admin can also serve as a greeter. And the person who's charged with doing auto audio recordings or making sure that you know if it's virtual, making sure that the sessions being recorded can also be the admin person but just making sure everyone knows what they're doing and they feel prepared. And Tyler, I believe that the next part is on to you. I'm sorry. My third point is making sure your body is prepared is so important. You do not want to go into the space, tired and dehydrated. If you're not the plan, you want to be able to make sure that like you are well rested so that you can be fully engaged. But if you're a facilitator, you also want to make sure that you're like hydrated, you're going to be talking. And so you don't want your voice sounding like weird, are getting exactly. So just making sure that is done. And as a facilitator it's important that you feel something grounded into the space, right. One thing that I learned is, you know, for folks who are may experience a little anxiety or nervousness like it's okay to be nervous. That just means you want to do a good job. And so remember that you always have access to your breath to take a little breath. I have a little bit of crystals I take with me I just imagine all my nervousness and anxiety going into the crystals and it makes me feel good. And also within that is creating a safe, creating a space that is safe and welcoming. By doing that, you can create a safe and welcoming space by greeting everyone, welcome me. Having food and playing music, folks feel really invited. If you're just like, Hey, what's up, we got some food for y'all. You know you can listen to this music right quick like it'll feel like a safe inviting space. Also, and this serves as the facilitator is this can go for the facilitator as well. But having an icebreaker that can help, you know, it can really help people to get to talk and share their opinions in a low risk way. So these people you're meeting them for the first time. And there hasn't been a lot of trust building so whatever you can do to make sure that folks feel comfortable and feel like they can express whatever need to express is really important and I know whenever I do an icebreaker I'm always ready to facilitate and it always lighten up to the room. And lastly is have some community agreements how the group create that is really important that folks know like okay, you know, we're going to respect each other identities in this space, you know, this isn't a debate we don't have to agree on anything. We're here to listen to each other and just have a conversation. So yeah, and if you do that if you don't have enough time to do that in a space you can come with some like here are some prewritten community agreements. Do we feel good on this you can do a little consensus. If that feels good to do. And I think actually now I can pass it off to Tyler. Yeah, so definitely want to consider all those things from planning, and we decided to put together just another list of things that are more a little bit more logistical for the space for this space for this contact. Just, of course, plan and coordinate the listening session with those are most impact. So we plan on reaching out to you. We get so we're going to reach out to you from try to get a hold of you from every high school can have to go through administration, but we already have some you can Jordan have to have your side so, and we're going to meet up with them talk about the purpose of listening session and everything written out for them as far as what the guiding questions are and what did they want to learn as well. And we hope that they get so the goal is for them to actually get a group of their peers in a room sometime during school day so we want to worry about transportation we're not going to lose out on folks, and we'll be able to get those are most impacted. So we're thinking about youth who may have been involved in altercation with SRO or may have been about in the justice system in general. Oftentimes is a hard youth to reach. And so we also are thinking about having at the school for that very reason to maintain confidentiality, big one, especially for us, we're talking about minors. But in general it's important to maintain confidentiality which allows people to speak openly and freely and doesn't exploit their voice and experience later on. Right so don't record video what we're doing is we're going to have a laptop or whatever, put the faith the cover down, put it off to the side, I believe there's also some software I think, Dwayne mentioned that we may be using as well. But so we're not going to have no video just the audio, and then we're going to only information that may be identifiable later. People say names, taking it out at like anything that's too specific that that that that individual may be identified by we're going to leave that out of the transcript. Number three, they're meant to for listening. What we hear is passionate about what we do. That's why we're here is why we're a part of the safety wellness task force. And that's why you're a part of your respective round table. And so we have to fight the urge to say but this or have you thought of that. Let's go back to that initial slide and what nori mentioned to about creating a safe space and moving with intention in the beginning. Start off letting folks know it's not about being defensive. It is about being imaginative and creative. We're here to find alternatives for the current status quo. So if folks keep diving back into limitations and what was current. It's okay to say all right that's, you know, we understand but we're actually trying to think about an alternative. Best case scenario what would it look like for, you know, just depends on your subject but we're going to so what what does a safe and supportive school look like to you. Right. I might you want to hold somebody accountable without the use of criminalization and leave it open but make sure you're guiding them to not come back to the limitations that we all have based on our experience. Oh no that isn't. Yeah use the guiding questions we came up with guiding questions will show you them at the end to help steer the conversation focus on safety and wellness needs and identify policy changes that need to happen. Try to ask questions in an objective way. And of course I checked myself. Yeah, I mean, most of you all know me know that come with, you know, a particular set of political beliefs so it's important that in crafting the guiding questions. As a group that we try to stay objective and then also while in that space that we're asking objective questions are not trying to steer someone one way or the other, while still trying to keep them focused on being imaginative. Here's another one eight to 12 is your ideal size system straight from the doctor himself to Wayne. 8 to 12 allows for a lot of folks to. It's a good enough group to have a fruitful dialogue and diverse dialogue, and it's not too big to where some people get drowned out. You know, some of us are small group people some of us are big group, but I think this nice medium size allows for the best to hope. It allows us to hear from everybody. And then transcribing summarize, I believe we're going to try to use some transcribing software, but if not, we're going to figure that out but make sure you explain the purpose of listening sessions after it's done also come straight from that immediately take a writer memo to summarize what your feelings are in that moment. Because you know our memory is not as fine as a static as we like to think it does actually change. So, make sure to write a memo summarizing your experience summarizing the big points that you heard the same day. And then maybe as you go back and either use the software transcribe by hand which hopefully you don't have to. You can look back at that memo kind of, you know, refresh some things as well but it's important to have that initial memo that you can share with other members of the round table. And then after that round table members can summarize the audio responses to the questions pulling out recurring comments and pretty straightforward. We're going to send the audio to Xavier Xavier Marsha and Dwayne, and then delete the audio. It ain't your public. We have a public role here. And we do want to maintain confidentiality. So that is that's going to be my practice, like I said this is open so maybe we can debate that part later too, but our plan is to have the audio recording. And after we do our memo and after we transcribe, then to send the audio recording the memo and transcription, Xavier Marsha and Dwayne, and then I plan to delete said audio. I'll keep the memo maybe keep the transcript, but I'm going to leave the audio. And those are guiding questions so. Yeah, we're going to just go through this and open it up. Here's what we came up with. As our seven guiding questions and start off saying we're going to five and seven. What our current needs around safety. So this kind of is grounding us in the beginning what our current needs around safety and wellness. What recommendations do you have for alternatives to releasing criminal and the criminal legal system that will enhance safety and wellness. So one, how do you imagine schools where all students feel safe and support. Let's start off the start off imagine. And yet, what is the knee jerk reaction. Everybody wants to know how you can hold somebody accountable. All right, well let's talk about it. I think it's all students and staff accountable because it's not just, it's of course both students and staff accountable for the actions without arrest or reverse law enforcement, because that's exactly what we're here for the final time. What adults do you want, do you want in the school to ensure safety and wellness for all students, excluding SRO so think if we're not thinking about criminalization. What adults do we need their health therapist or whatever. I'm not going to roll off and then mentioned these adults like mental health professionals, but you know we're going to leave it right there. One other thing we discussed was something a lot of times people have questions about the question. It is perfectly okay to ask to get to respond to questions about the question, and even follow up the question with some explanation. However, for the sake of consistency. And just the scientific nature of what we're doing. It's important that after you make your guiding questions that you literally asked every question. Literally, we can't measure what the question is the number one, if I never asked that question verbatim. If we can't answer around it, maybe we could try to try to infer what that individuals and answer might be, but that's not good enough for what we're trying to do. So make sure you are asking every single question, even if you have to follow up with an explanation, or answer someone else's question about that. And you all can see the guiding questions here I go ahead and cut and paste those and put them in the chat. And I think we should be good to go ahead and open it up for question. Sounds good. All right. Don't know jumping at once. Are there any questions? Marcia has a question. I have. Pick me pick me. Have you ever use a talking piece where there's an object so that you can pass it you don't have to answer if you're not ready to, but it includes so that everybody in that group has an opportunity to speak. I have not used that I have seen people use it successfully. I've also seen shyer people have never asked for the talking stick. So for me, I don't I don't know if the youth want to do that and that'll be up to them, but for me I'm just trying to pay attention to who's talking a lot versus who's not saying anything. And then I'll circle back to the person that doesn't say anything. And kind of likely request that the person saying a lot. All back a little bit. This is kind of goes into the community agreements. But I've seen it work great. I've never done I've never. But I'm sure it could be successful. Thank you. Yeah, I've got a technical question for you. And what a plan question the technical one is you mentioned. I didn't know I also had a response. But we'll get you right after them. Thank you, Tyler. I just wanted to add on to what Tyler was saying, and it's, you know, just making sure going back to the community agreements, letting folks know, you know, sort of that I'm saying, step, step up, step back, I'm just giving folks a room, but also it's a little bit of the facilitator drop to like call me and own folks. So if you notice somebody talking a lot like you've shared. Thank you for that, but we just want to make sure that we're creating space for others. And so you call on that person. And it like, you know, like Tyler said, I've seen that work really successfully. So yeah, Mike, you had a question. I'll just add to a question you mentioned you were you were thinking about doing it having the session at the school so that the students could be together. I assume you guys would be somewhere else on zoom. I think that would probably work for several other ones where we might have a group of people in one place. So would there just be like, you know, the one you mentioned the one laptop. So the participants would sort of be a step up to the mic as it were, and then speak into the zoom with the camera off, as opposed to each having their own. But we're going to do ours in person. We're going to try to as long as students are in school in person. Okay, so you guys will be there and they'll be there. Correct. Um, Yeah, and then I think when I did it with a Mac book, you just really turn it all the way up and you can get pretty good audio you put it in the center of the room. All right, as long as the room is not too big. I actually think it probably be easier if you're doing it virtually on zoom to just cut everyone's cameras off maybe I'm not sure. Yeah, I mean I think in person would be ideal and then you mentioned you're going to you're planning at least probably one maybe you'll maybe have more with students and then at least one maybe more with principles. Are you are you planning to reach out to for parents as well to give them an opportunity. So Nora and I are doing students and we're trying to do every high school that has SROs starting off where we have contacts, and then reaching out to principles through Xavier. And whoever else has a principal contact and then Jesse is doing principles Jesse and Alec I believe on principle. That's correct. That's what we have currently I don't think that's going to be those will be the only listening session, but those are the ones who are focused on right so far and then perhaps parents in addition at some point maybe. Okay. Yes. Thank you very much Dwayne. Well thank you all for this really incredibly thoughtful and wonderfully laid out process. I just had a question about. I'm not doing video for confidentiality purposes. I wondered if you have if, if, if people's like, if their names are changed or if or don't show up at all. And then you don't have the video but you have multiple people speaking whose voices may sound similar. Audio. Is that something that's ever a challenge trying to keep people's comments straight with the right person and you know have you have you dealt with that in the past with this technique. I haven't but if you could, if everyone's blacked out and you can record it then you can see what square that is and maybe try to number the squares. I'm not, I'm not, that's the only negative. Jennifer S I'm going to add. I'm sorry I didn't mean to cut you off Tyler. I'm sorry. Tyler you can go ahead and and she will continue what she was saying. I was going to Jennifer too I'm sorry. I apologize if you're waiting on me was having trouble hearing. No I just wanted to say I've as someone who was transcribed a lot of focus groups that problem I mean exactly what was said that problem is largely resolved by having the person doing the transcription there to take running notes. It is, it is less of a nightmare than you might imagine although it totally does happen but just having the person doing the record like transcribing from the recording there to take notes does an enormous amount to eliminate that potential problem in my experience. Thanks. I just want to offer. The second piece Jesse. Sorry. Where you finished with your thoughts please. I thought. Yes, I was thank you. Okay, okay no thanks. Thanks. So I just want to offer because it's still a whole pandemic. And everything is changing. And we're doing the best that we can. I know with our principal sessions just being transparent we scheduled to for this week. And the first one was today and no one showed up. And I think that's a poor reflection on anyone. I think we're all doing our best. And I'm hopeful that tomorrow, our second session will have more attendees. We're doing ours on zoom. It's my intention to record via zoom. And to Tyler's point like I don't anticipate putting any principle or system principles information on blast. And then I also would like to give you a little bit of a brief description of the terms of protecting data. And leveraging some of the different options that are provided. Again, I just, I think what I'm trying to say is. I want us to continue to give ourselves permission. To, you know, be consistent. As we're able to, but also. Make changes for the specific audience, right? Like I wanted that. But it's like a week or two before school starts. And they have other things going on in a pandemic. So Zoom was going to be the best option, right? And so then Zoom has certain recording options, right? And you make the best of it. And just being transparent and being immediate, I think allows folks to opt in and opt out at any point to say, I don't feel comfortable answering that, right? And so maybe that's a conversation that happens later. And we listen offline and figure out ways to leverage the insights that someone has to share apart from an official listening session, right? It's no less legitimate, I think. It's just different. So again, just wanting us to continue giving ourselves permission to, of course, leverage the insights that Nori and Tyler, and I believe she needs to work together on to help us facilitate these listening sessions with some effectiveness, but recognizing too that life is happening, we're all doing the best that we can, and they're all different, considering all these dynamics that are in play. Because I know for our listening sessions with principles, right, there are some things that Tyler and Nori recommended that just won't work. And that's okay. We can get to the outcome in a different way, I think. But it's understanding the spirit behind the recommendation and the rationale behind the recommendation to make sure how what we're doing is still resonant and in concert and not in conflict. I think we're all intelligent people and understand that sort of strategy, and we can ask for help as we need it to. So that's my two cents on that. Thank you, Nori and Tyler, for your leadership today. I really appreciate it. Appreciate you, Jesse. If that is all, we can pass this right on back. I mean, what I will say, different groups are going to have, like, I think that's a good thing, Jesse, is going to have different groups around different considerations. But for us, it was, I think it was the best way to do after school, before school, during school, their minors. So, of course, we think confidentiality. But I mean, everyone's got to think about that, but for us, that definitely popped up. We're also going to have gift cards for participants as a way to encourage you to attend. And then gift cards for the youth that are organizing as well, for the youth leaders who are going in their schools to coordinate the meeting. So, I know reentry, folks dealing with justice involved, I know that's hard. That's a hard population to get. Tyler, when you're thinking about giving these thank you gifts to participants who, in our leadership body, are you coordinating with to make the logistics of that happen? Duane and Xavier, they have the bag. No, just, I mean, so we basically just put in our, but we're about to. We're on the verge of sending in the formal request, which Duane and Xavier have been taken to another body. And maybe this is a question to the whole group, but it sounds like all of our groups, just from skimming what the report Duane just sent, it sounds like all of our groups are hoping to really front load some good listening. And I'm wondering, are we thinking that happens now in a concentrated way? Are we thinking of it as kind of like a ongoing practice that lasts for the full 24 months of our task forces existence? Are we thinking of it as lifelong work? What's the timeline? And just lifting a couple of questions from the chat to how will FERPA rules apply to students? It won't apply because no student information will be shared. Any other comments? I can say briefly, we kind of alluded to this with the SRO roundtable that there are other audiences that we want to listen to. And we felt particularly that principals and youth, especially youth, were important to start with. And we imagined that hopefully for better, that some of the insights we got immediately from those sessions would help inform future sessions. So it's certainly a kinetic process. And of course, we have deliverables around having listening sessions sooner rather than later. So I'm kind of again, just trusting our collective leadership that like as we continue in our roundtable, if we recognize like, oh, everyone keeps mentioning X group, we should figure out and organize so that we hear from that X group. It may be that in your roundtable, you come to a different set of conclusions based on your first listening session. And so again, it's like, I want to honor everyone's power and everyone's like intelligence to like, figure out what feels most appropriate within the bounds, the bounds of our bylaws and with the limits of our time and energies. So, but I do expect that right thing from principals and hearing from youth will shape how we listen to parents and caregivers. And that's kind of the point. Um, as opposed to the other way around. And I'm assuming that educators and school workers are also on your extended timeline. Right. Yeah, I'm just using that as a as an example in terms of like some of our process and how we're figuring things out and how that might vary from roundtable to roundtable. This is so beautifully thought through y'all. Thank you so much for sharing all these all this guidance. Absolutely. In process is definitely the keyword for those who may be new to this process that we're doing as a task force. We start off in our first set of meetings together. Listening to some of the community providers organizations talking about how we're going to go back to work, but we are now in the data collection phase and we have roundtables, our subcommittees that are working. And we had not yet talked about how we would do listening sessions because the four roundtables are really different in character and focus. We wanted to do some basic guidelines and have a good framework to start from. So thank you so much to Shanice and Nore and Tyler for putting that presentation together. Thank you for the great, um, reflections and comments on it. And also, don't forget what Jesse is saying is that, you know, as we process this differently, that's okay too. If there are no other comments or questions about listening sessions. Xavier had a question about how the data will be stored from these listening sessions, especially ones with the students. So Tyler or Nore? You said it one more time. I'm sorry. How will you be storing the data from the listening session with the students, please? Oh, um, just through, I was just going to use the Mac book. I, we could also do that or I can check and see if I have some audio recorders within office and I can, I'm sure it won't be an issue to use those, but I can keep you updated on that. So either MacBook audio recorders. Well, as the one you mentioned, software that can help transcribe, maybe or maybe not be of access to that software. What is the best way to record it in order for us to utilize that software? Would it be just the recording from a MacBook? Would it be like, what is it, Garage Band or whatever or? I don't know much about MacBook. It's too fancy for my pocket, but I usually use a simple audio recorder or even the iPhone. It records, but I just wanted to check in to see if the data will be properly managed since students are one of the population so we secure wherever that interview with the students will be kept. Yeah, so after the transcription, the goal would be to send the audio that you are and lead it to get it out of, you know, our possession. Thank you for those additional questions. We did have some more commentary in the chat. Mike really talked about the process that the criminal legal system roundtable might do and it's very well thought out. And Shanice added something that, you know, we're talking about data, data, data. These are conversations human beings and she mentions in the chat that not to forget to take a break if necessary. It can be emotional for folk to share their experiences. It can also be emotional to hear some of the experiences of our folk and it's okay to take a moment to breathe and ground everyone. Thank you so much for that, Shanice. Okay, we're going to move forward really quickly. Just going to do a brief comment commentary on the 90 day report. It was something, of course, that was the bylaws required us to do. Let's share my screen real quick on this. Just want to point out that again, for those maybe new to this process, we are, this is a task force that's jointly appointed by Board of Education, our Board of County Commissioners and our city council. The support staff is city staff and our task force information is on the city website. So on the city website is three clicks government in boards and committees task forces go down task forces. Come on spectrum. There we go. And then you can link to our page here. And want to thank again, Amber for her keeping this, putting this together for us. And we have all of our members bylaws, meeting information, agendas, minutes, watching on demand. I know this must be TV presentation, resources, quarterly reports, you're on table. So the quarterly report is in itself a 10 page document that we don't have to go into right now. I'm not going to talk about the full 10 pages, but I want to show you that it is like it is easy to get to information on the website. It's not always the case when it comes to government entities. And I know I don't know how many of you have searched through the websites for our government groups. It's not always easy, but it's a three three click. I really hope that everyone that's really interested in this gets a chance to really dive deep into what our task force members have been doing in their roundtables. Marsha is going to do real quick high level overview. We started off, of course, as a task force on April 28. We met on a bi-weekly basis up until the second week of June. After that point, we went to monthly meetings. At that in between these monthly meetings, now we have subcommittees or roundtables at our meeting and figuring out the best way for them to gather the data that they need, figuring out what the best questions are. While we were together in our initial meetings as a task force, we heard presentations from Durham Beyond Policing, the Criminal Justice Resource Center, the new community safety department as well. We ended up with four roundtables leased initially. Others may come up, school resource officers, criminal legal system, 911 calls, crisis intervention, and the fourth one is violence interruption. Marsha and I are attending as many of those as we possibly can. We split it up, so I will report on my high level overview of the 911 and SR roundtables. 911 roundtable in the report that you see in the quarterly report, they have identified some overall overarching goals to explore research on existing models for alternative crisis response, especially models developed or implemented in the South. To listen to as many stakeholders as possible, especially those who are directly impacted positively and negatively by our current emergency response systems. To develop and present policy and practice recommendations in the form of current research, implementation examples, community input, or some other appropriate source. Nothing that stood out in their report is that they are especially interested in pursuing data-driven solutions for responding to community needs and values, and they are working right now in generating a list of additional knowledge and data needs. After Marsha and I have our high level with the time we have left, if any of these roundtables was like, dude, you didn't mention this, this, and that, you'll have time for that. The SR roundtable, pretty much everything I was going to say, Tyler and Nori mentioned in their presentation, because they were using their work as an example. So as you've heard already, they want to hear from many populations that would be touched by having SROs in schools, and they've started with youth and principals. They've already mentioned timings of factor. You know, the principals are trying to start school. We're trying to get those done this week. And of course, the student interviews would happen a few weeks after school starts once everybody else gets settled in. Also on the youth side, the SRO roundtable has us working with the regular principals to identify youth and youth organizations that could not only be part of a listening session, but could help this roundtable plan those listening sessions. So that's my high level look at the SRO and 911 roundtables from what they've done so far. And Amar, we'll talk about the other two roundtables. Thank you. And I want to also thank Shanice and Tyler and Nori for giving that wonderful orientation on listening sessions. And Monju, you had a good question about what's the vision. I just want y'all to know, and Jesse, you had mentioned the bylaws as well as being required to have listening sessions. And I think with our listening to the Criminal Justice Resource Center, Durham Beyond Policing, and then the Department of Safety, the new Department of Safety for the City of Durham, that we have we have fulfilled that. And so I hope it is my hope that those listening sessions can be for as long as we want that that will be happening throughout this process, because that is, I think, one of the greatest sources of wisdom and direction and also just activity and bringing the community together. So the criminal legal system, we've had four meetings. We have two new members, Lisa Nidik, who is a defense attorney, and Marion Bailey, who represents victims that her grandson was shot and killed and brings just a great deal of insight into one of the things that is most descriptive of the criminal legal system, which is that it centers its focus on those who have done harm and not those who have been harmed. And so this system is definitely going to be thanks to Ms. Bailey. She's going to keep us honest and in the road and make sure that we really do address how we respond and care and treat people who have been harmed. And so we have been what we're doing is essentially mapping where describing the process of what it happens from the moment of arrest. And we're going to go all the way through to reentry. But right now, we've really just focused, we've gotten to the point of focusing on arrest, being in the jail and first appearance and just and doing that intercept mapping that we learned about at the very beginning of our meetings in May. So, and we're just seeing that there's lots, even in this just looking at where those intercepts are, is magistrate has come full up front and personal that the magistrate is a place where we may have influence. Also at that in that first appearance, we can we're looking at pretrial. We had a great meeting today with Christie Long, who runs the pretrial program of the Criminal Justice Resource Center and learned tons. And just all those places where our potential points of diversion. And so we're looking at that and really focusing on that. And we will just continue continue that mapping of where are the people. And as we do that, we're what is what is being revealed is who we do need to speak with and where is that data that we need. But I think at this point, we're not as data driven as we are process driven. So that is a criminal legal system. On the violence interruption, we have there's we were it's a small group, we've met four times and really are looking at violence interruption and in Durham, that is primarily so far, it looks like it's full city United and we've met with them and came away with lots of questions. And also in looking and relying on Durham, the city of Durham's Department of Safety, and how they are the metrics that they are in looking at what are they measuring, because as you know, we do what we measure. And according to the city, they're, they're, you know, they're looking at how many people have been shot in an area, a number of homicides, a number of mediations participate of it change in behavior and employment. So as we as we grow in this, I think there's we have a interruption can be or intervention can be very much tied to prevention and postvention, as some people call it. So I think we're really very committed to staying focused on intervention and but also look forward to hearing from our member Dr. Wanda Boone on at our next meeting about what determines behavior and having more of an understanding of prevention. So, and I do want to just share that this is in the decades that I've been looking and feeling and being in the midst of folks who are killed that this year we've had 29 people killed in 30 weeks. That's a person taken from us violently weak. And I think that that is just should, should shake us to our very souls. And so I think this is an extremely important round table and focus and hope that everyone who has any kind of desire to address this to please join us, we could really use your help. So that is those are my reports. Thank you. Thank you, Martian. Again, there's a lot of work going on outside these task force meetings. Really grateful to every task force member who's working on on your focus areas and all that you're doing. Many conversations that you're having with each other, all the work from the staff city staff that's helping us pull together data. Jess is going to talk a little bit in a few minutes help us facilitate a conversation about next steps. Some have already been mentioned. But before we move on to next steps, I just want to make sure for the next five minutes or so if there were any specific details from your round tables that we didn't talk about that you'd like to lift up because again, this is where we share with the public what's going on and the work is happening in these round tables. So any of the members of the round tables would like to add anything that we didn't lift up that's happening in your group. This is your time. Manju. I actually have a question for another round table. I wondered if violence interrupters round table might be able to share with us how we can read the notes from the conversation with both City United or see a recording or any any way of accessing the gain accessing the insights you you gained. I think in this report, I think that Samuel who could not be with us tonight did a really good job of recording that experience. And I think we really did one thing that I think impressed us is that we came away with lots of questions that that we didn't. I can't really you know, I wish I could tell you more. But I think that what what we came away with is that we hope to meet with them again and again that and some listening sessions and and so what with with both City United what what we're talking about and Wanda, please jump in share, but who are their partners, you know, who are their partners, who are they referring folks to for, you know, trauma resource mental health resources and that sort of thing. And so that should be a fuller and fuller picture and we will certainly certainly share it with you all. And that's one reason I mentioned the city's metrics, because the city has come up with some measurements. And so I think that and we do not have that information as at this time. So we look forward to getting that data. Thanks, Manju. So good evening everybody and thank you so much for the wonderful presentation. It's so helpful and all the comments. I really appreciate hearing them and taking full advantage of what you presented tonight. In terms of full City United, they have a very specific, defined, outlined process and geographic location. So that is one of the first things that we took away. And that doesn't take away from the excellent work that they're doing. But in understanding their concentrated areas of focus, we also realize that violence takes place outside of the areas where they are effective and working in. And so then we begin to think about other groups and organizations that are working in a similar space, albeit not funded or not a part of the county or the city. And so looking at geo maps and identifying where some of these violent crimes are taking place because they're not all at public housing facilities and just really getting a handle on what's happening and inviting partners against crime who've been around for a while who continue to speak to concerns that they have and inviting them to the table as well so that we can bring the community voice as well as those established organizations that have been working in this space. Mike. Thanks. I was just thinking, as the question you asked before about the kind of longevity of the listening sessions, I think it's something we've talked a little bit in our roundtables. And I was curious if other roundtables have, in addition to coming up with the recommendations we will have for the city and county for redirection resources, increase in resources, if we're going to also see the value in recommending permanent structures of community input and accountability for the various agencies that we're talking about that don't exist now. So not just our listening sessions that shed light on issues, but to recommend a permanent structure for that. I mean, just thinking of, for instance, today at our excellent meeting that Marcia was referencing had a good advisory committee for the officer patrol services. And they thought about having more community input. And then the voting members said no. It was a conversation between the DA, public defenders, I guess the sheriff's office and I don't know who I forget as criminal justice resource center. But there wasn't other community input or opportunities for it. And I could just imagine there would be other places like that. So to say that that needs to be a permanent part of our holistic view of community wellness and safety is community input and accountability for all these various agencies moving forward, not just around budget time and not just, you know, with what we hopefully suggest as a task force. Thank you so much. Any other roundtables have comments about where we are at this point? If not, it's time to look forward. We've asked Jesse to just kind of give every roundtable a chance to talk about next steps and then we'll close with Marcia. Jesse. Yeah. I operate pretty co cooperatively. So I don't intend to be taking up the space here, but really it's a chance to just check in. We happen, my roundtable happens to be the first one. And I don't know where in Tyler, you all shared a bit about what we're doing. I'll do my best to kind of speak on behalf of us and feel free to chime in if there are things that I miss. I mentioned earlier that we're in the process of having our first listening sessions with the principals. The first one happened today in theory. The second happens tomorrow. I feel more confident. We did some follow up and check in. And so we're hopeful that we'll have eight to 12, since that's ideal. Additionally, and Alec and I will be leading that. Tanya is still helping us, but has taken a step back from her position with the task force. So we're going to continue to activate her from time to time, but honoring her wishes. And then Tyler and Nori, in case you missed it, are facilitating our process for our youth listening sessions and they'll continue moving forward, identifying the youth that will participate in that process and carrying it out. I think we're still in conversation about which listening sessions will happen next. We have a lot of people that we want to hear from, as has been mentioned, parents and caregivers, other employees in DPS. We're just figuring out how to organize that appropriately and strategically considering all of the aforementioned considerations like the pandemic. So yeah, figuring that out. But also being in ongoing conversation about who are the guest round table members to join us. We had some initial conversation about that and haven't actually finished that conversation. So it's something that I think will be a part of our next steps in addition to just identifying our next dates. I think historically we've been meeting like every two weeks and we just switched that to skip a week or skip a cycle. So our next meeting isn't until the end of August. So yeah, I feel like that's where we're at. Amber, I'll check in with you because I know I've been creating a Zoom link but it sounded like you would create Zoom links for round table meetings moving forward. So we'll work together to make sure that once we have our agenda, I'll submit that to you probably because I feel like I'm the one in our group that's like figuring out our agenda or at least helping us figure out our agenda together and then you can provide us a Zoom link at your earliest convenience. Sure. One thing I will clarify is that my Zoom account is used for several things. So if I cannot set up the meeting on my account, our clerk's office has some additional Zoom licenses that we can use to set up other meetings. So if I can't do it, we have some additional licenses that can. Yeah, pardon me. My interjections. No, you're fine. Is it not club aesthetic if I create the link and just share that with you to be able to share with others or is it need to be someone who is city or county staff? I think we would have to probably ask our attorney kind of what is the recommendation around that. I'm not sure what other task boards and commissions have have done in the past. I know that our clerk's office sets up a lot of them. So that will table that and I will try to get an answer for you. Thank you. Tyler and Nori is there anything that you feel like I missed in terms of our next steps? Yeah, okay. Great. The criminal legal system is next to that group is Mike and Muffin. That's here. So how are y'all feeling? What's looking next for y'all? Muffin, what's are you? Muffin, are you able to check in? We might circle back. I know. I think our next step is next Wednesday. Marcia can't join us because she's escaping into the woods. It's very much needed break, but we'll try to forge ahead. I think our next step is to discuss some draft questions we want to pose to the magistrate or magistrate's office and then think about inviting someone from the magistrate's office or a former magistrate to join us to have a meeting like we did with Christie Long and then probably move on to I'm just probably either the public defender's office or the DA's office, a similar set of of we'll meet, discuss questions we want to pose to them. We sit like with Christie, we send her the questions ahead of time so she could walk through them with us and have had had a chance to think about the questions and we tried to keep the questions more focused on the title's earlier point about what to move ahead, less about describing how the system works currently, but where are the areas for improvement and not posing kind of data related questions to those folks who we've been loading James and Dwayne up with research and data questions relevant to explore elsewhere, but to keep our discussions with these guests at the roundtable focused on more qualitative kind of discussion. Great. I'm going to give my friend one chance additionally to check in if you want to add anything, my friend, if not, you good, beloved? No, maybe, maybe not for those who can't see. She came off mute. So, okay. Speak now. Oh, I see. Come on now. I'm being patient. We on pins and needles, girl, at the edge of my seat. Literally, I'm like squinting my eyes so I can hear better. Oh, spectrum. We hate to see it. I feel like there's a commercial for this. It's like, can you hear me? I thought she came back. Okay, we'll keep moving. 911 crisis intervention is next. So, that would be Manju, Shanice, and Jennifer since you three are president. What's looking like your next steps? I tried typing some stuff in the chat, but Jennifer and Shanice, feel free to add anything or Dwayne or Xavier. Meet further with the Office of Community Safety. We've just begun deeper conversations with them, and they've been really super helpful. Host a learning session with PAD, the Policing Alternatives and Diversion Initiative in Atlanta. Plan and publicize our first community listening session, and today's session on listening sessions was really helpful towards that goal. Accompanying the Office of Community Safety to their listening sessions with other municipalities who have municipality-funded unarmed skilled crisis responders that are operating distinct from law enforcement departments. We want to learn what other cities are trying, learn what lessons they've gained so far. We had a really interesting session with someone from RTI explaining the limitations of that existing data, and have hope that as we embark on our own unarmed crisis responder program here in Durham, that we can be doing thorough documentation that benefits other cities moving towards these sorts of options in the future. And currently, we're meeting every other week when we're not in these large group task force sessions, and all of you are more than welcome to attend with us. We typically meet at the same time as these sessions, but sometimes do daytime meetings. And I guess soon that timing will be available on the website for the public to know when to tune in. And we hope you do. What else, Jennifer or Shanice? Yeah, so I regret that we're missing Isak today, because I know he also has extremely good short-term memory that challenges my own, and we would be able to add a lot. But I would say that what I would add to I think the really excellent overview that Monju just gave is that we're also alongside folks at RTI doing, I think, not another, but like a complimentary deep dive into the some of the 911 calls data, especially now that we've been able to have and anticipate continuing to have more purposeful conversations, not only among ourselves, but with the wider community about what sort of things we want to look at, like what's really important and how that data should be disaggregated or broken down to sort of build our understanding. And I'm, you know, Monju, as Monju mentioned, we've been talking with, you know, folks in the city department, and that's been really, really lovely. So getting to know folks there and build that understanding and kind of figure out what that collaboration is going to look like has been fantastic. And I anticipate that this roundtable is going to play a pretty big role in ensuring that the work that we do is as community based and participatory as possible, right? That all of our, I guess, that we fight all of our best intentions to be sort of like benevolent deciders of what would happen in the community and make sure that we're constantly focusing on what people want us to do, that we're being led by preferences and desires that are not necessarily our own, but are reflective of the greater community in that way. Okay. Wonderful. Thank y'all. Super important work. And I remember when we were processing earlier about which groups we would be in, I was like, ooh, I really want to be in that group. So I'm like super happy to hear how y'all are progressing personally. So I'm in a personal privilege. Last but certainly not least, Dr. Boone, you're holding it down, sis. You're holding it down. So let us know what are your next steps with violence, interruption, and de-escalation. Holding it down is what I do. Okay. So we had a presentation from Jim Stight, who is the gang person in Durham. And he talked about what's happening and specifically mentioning that, according to his records and statistics, that what we're seeing in terms of violence have predominantly, is predominantly due to gang activities. So the question was what age, what gangs, and he deals mostly with adults. And so the next question has to do with what's happening with young people in gangs, in schools, how that all happens. And so learning more from him and then project build, which is an organization that works with young people who are involved in the criminal justice system or have been or are gang related. And so then with that, also looking at the misdemeanor diversion program, which is a program where young people, if they have a misdemeanor charge that is not gun related, then that charge can be completely dismissed. And many young people don't know about that. So part of this is getting information out to young people. And the way to do that is by instituting something like peer to peer information education, which means inviting young people to the meeting so that they can have their excellence say a question that I do have also our next meeting's on 23rd, a question that I do have has to do with do our meetings always have to be in our setting, or if there is a community activity that's taking place, where we can glean information and ask the kinds of questions that we can and do in listening sessions, is it possible to go there and to ask those questions there, rather than inviting people to our meetings, because they're already there, they've already been meeting there. So what is the thought around that? Maybe that's a question for Amber, I don't know, or Dwayne or Marsha or David. If you don't have, again, a quorum of the, well, there are three of you on your task and on your round table. So I suspect if you have one person at a particular event and asking those questions, I'm pretty sure that should be fine because you would not have reached a quorum with more than one. But if you have two of your three members there, then I suppose there would be a challenge there. Okay, thank you. I guess I was imagining that the main issue that I'm hearing, at least with announcing or making the space public so that people are aware of what's happening, what our plans are, what the agenda is, what's submitting a minutes or anything like that. I feel like the round table meetings are different than the listening sessions and I feel like what you're describing to me feels like a version of a listening session. Yes. Right, so I think, and again, I continue to say I think so long as your process is organized and it fits within the framework of that process you've created and it sounds like you want to create a process where you're able to sort of be in public spaces and do that outreach and be among the people to listen and get the feedback you need. I think if you know where, if you make a decision on when and where you're going to be, you just, you announce that. Yeah. So it's not like there are any sort of, you know, preconceived notions or hidden intentions. So it's everyone's aware, no secrets, no surprises. We're going to post up at the food line. We're going to post up at like wherever you're going to be. I'm just saying wherever you're going to be. And I thought a food line because I know like with like registering voters, like there's some food lines or I remember I was always going to see people out and they would be there. So I'm just saying, like, if you're trying to get the numbers, you're trying to get to the people like you go where they're at. So in my mind, you just have to announce it so that it's clear that it's happening. I guess that would be my two cents. And to clarify, thank you post up. It is about the listening sessions and some of these meetings are virtual anyway, and so can be recorded if that's, you know, another option. But so to finish up involving youth community groups and learning more from Project Build and other folks that are intervening in this space, making sure that we have the data in all of these different aspects, including the social determinants of health, to really take a broad look at where we are in terms of violence and what we're trying to do. And I think Monju had her hand up. But that's all I have. Monju. Thank you. I want to just lift up to that in the same spirit of what you're saying that the folks who were selected here by the three bodies, the city council, the county commissioners, and the school board were selected not for who we are, but who we are in community with, right, like ourselves and beyond us. And I've heard the ways that we've already been bringing all our people with us into the room. And it is a less structured, less formal form of listening session, but it's it's so important to what we're building here that we're that we're doing that. And I do wonder because of what Dr. Boone just shared, if there might be more formal ways to bring it in, like being present for the budget healing discussions that the city and county have been convening, I've definitely been in those spaces thinking about how relevant it is to what we're building here. And maybe there are more formal ways we could be drawing on what's being learned there or through the neighborhood engagement staff that is already happening. I definitely think we should really have more discussion about this. I mean, to me, the keywords community, you know, this is a community wellness and coming into this, my mind was about being out in the community more than we are. So I'd like to continue to talk about what that looks like with the, you know, we've had two, two opinions from from the legal team about what we're doing and how we're doing it. So it's, I feel a little constrained much more than when I first came in. So we're still trying to walk that out, work that out. But I do want to make sure that we, that we definitely center the community into what we're doing. And although we say, wow, we got 18 months, so those months are moving. So I do think we should continue to talk about these things as well as we go. But I really appreciate the work that's going on in every in all of the round tables. I'm going to hush. No, you're fine. If anything, I'm going to circle it right back to you and Marsha for our concluding activities into a little overtime. Thanks everyone for sharing about your next steps and best wishes as you take them. Thank you, Jesse. So as we do what what our tradition is, if you would just share what you are taking with you from this time together, it's been a wonderfully wonderful meeting and thank you for all that y'all are doing at our three month point. Talk about dedication. It's beautiful. So in a word, what are you taking? And I'll start. I'm taking inspiration and I'll pass to Dwane. Taking appreciation and appreciation for the hard work and the sacrifice that each of you continue to make for drawing safety. And I'm passing to you, Jesse. I am taking with me stamina because I'm pacing myself. And I will pass it to Dr. Carol. I am going to take some inspiration from an insight made earlier and say that I'm going to take breath because I am bad at stopping for them. And I feel like I'm going to need to take a lot of deep ones in the coming week, especially as we continue to climb that steep learning curve with each other with gusto and get busier and busier and busier. And I will pass to Ashnei. Not yet. Thanks, Jennifer. Momentum. And I'll pass to Shanice. Community. And I will pass it to Manjo. Love. Passing it to Nori. What a good question. What am I taking? Yeah, I think I'll sort of, if someone hasn't already said, I feel like they have just like motivation, just continuing to like do the work and seeing it through. And I will pass to Xavier. And I will repeat a word that started to say it, but it's just in my heart and it's community. The community. I'll pass it to Dr. Boone. My word is joy because I refuse to be without it. And I'll pass it to Mike. Focus. I'll pass it to Javier. Transparency. And I will pass it to Marcia. I don't think you've done it. I have. And I will pass it to Ms. Lewis. Just in all this process, I appreciate the group. Thank you. Did Council Member Caballero go? I think everyone has gone. It may have been hard to say, but I heard what Vice Chair Lewis said that she's in all of this process. That's what she's going away with. Thank you, Vice Chair. Appreciate you. You've been very helpful with SRO work. Marcia, thank you all. Thank you all. Beautiful, beautiful. You guys are the best. See you in a month, if not before. Yeah. Thank you, everyone. Bye.