 Hey everybody, welcome to Simulation. I'm your host, Nick Hommis, and today I will be interviewing your usual host, Alan Saakyan. Thank you for having me, Nick. Absolutely. It's my pleasure. This is a fun experience for me being in this chair. Simulation. Yeah, it's... How does the guest chair feel? The guest chair is very interesting. It is. Because after sitting there, whatever, 200 times and asking the other person questions, this is very interesting. And plus, you're a really close friend of mine, which I really like that it's you in the sense. But also just this view is interesting, you know, it's different. You don't get to see the globe in the nice map of San Francisco. That's right. Yeah, no, I've been here since basically the beginning of Simulation. And I feel like you have so much to say that you're always asking people questions, you're always interviewing, and you get a little bit of your own side of things. But we don't get to ask you questions. And I feel like that's something that just needs to happen at some point, you know? Yep. Yeah, let's do it. Yeah. Let's do it. I'm happy that you wanted to do this and to talk about these questions that you have lined up to ask me. This will be fun because you're very polymathic, you have a strong mental lattice, so I'll hit the tennis ball back and I'm sure the conversation will be really good. I'm excited for it. Yeah. Let's do it. So I want to start out like, I think there's a lot of people who shout out to Google Earth Quick. We love Google Earth. Yes. And it's just gorgeous. And we like. Isn't Earth pretty? I know. I know. I just, I mess around with this all the time. And I just want, just want to shout out to amazingness. By the way, by the way, for those that don't know, Nick's actually a Googler. He's a roboticist. He's a polymath. All his Twitter's in the bio. You can go check him out in more detail. Nick and I actually met in college, our freshman year, which was eight years ago, which is crazy to think about that now. But so now we're here eight years later in the Bay Area. You had a question. I just wanted to do say that quick. Yeah. Yeah, you see, you see, you're not in this chair. Okay. So shut up, Alan. So I wanted to start off like, I think there's a lot of people who are newer to simulation and haven't seen all the way going back to the beginning, which was, was that two years ago? Yeah. It's like the first show was with Aubrey de Grey in October of 2017. So that's 14, 14 months. 14 months. 14 months ago, yeah. Yeah. I think there's a lot of people who like haven't been around that long. 250 shows. Yeah. Who haven't seen all of that. And I, Nick has. I have. Nick has. Can you, can you talk a little bit about like how you started simulation, like how you went from just being Alan and being the guy who you are to, I want to do this project. Good question. Good question. All right. So let's see here, a very insatiable appetite for knowledge over time. Yeah. And a, a strong desire to surround myself with very smart, powerful nodes in the global sphere, ones that are bringing lots of impact to the world, strong value that other people can self actualize with that we can remove structural violences that impede people from self actualization. And that obviously that ethic of mine has evolved till today. So back when these things were starting, it wasn't so clearly defined, right? The mission of filling sports stadiums with curious intellectuals wasn't so clearly defined back in 14 months ago, 14 months ago, it was really a list of very powerful questions that I just wrote down and then sent a bunch of powerful people in my network. And I got a lot of replies back from those powerful people saying things like this is the best list of interview questions ever. You've got to go and like really ask these questions. And so I was like, all right, let's start doing that. Let's start asking these questions to powerful leaders on a show and whatnot. And so then we started it. And it was very quirky because as you know, 14 months ago, we literally had like a mixing bowl. Yeah. You were like drawing questions out of a hat. That was really fun. It was just quirky. Cause yeah, it's all, it's random in that sense. And anyway, so that, yeah, we've evolved quite a bit since then, but it customs from this insatiable desire to, to learn as well as then have this video content available for other people around the world to be able to access free of cost. Never any paywalls on our content. There's so many paywalls on the internet. Enough with the paywalls. Find other ways to fund the artists and entrepreneurs around the world instead of making paywalls so that the poorest people in the world can't access it. I think that's ridiculous. And I'm a strong supporter of artists and entrepreneurs that, that, that ask for five or 10 or 20 bucks for their endeavors, like right away, give everyone, give as soon as you can to those people because they are trying to go build their own path away from the normal path of the system. Yeah. But I think there's also like to that point, I think there's a lot of people who, you know, especially like kids, like high schoolers, who maybe can't do that. And I think that's okay too. Like I think just naturally in terms of a big part of your mission is like reaching so many people that like you would expect that most of the people who you're trying to reach, who you're trying to share with really can't, they, they can't contribute and that's okay. Yeah. Like that, that's almost your model working. That's right. That is a model working as intended. Yes. If you are in low SES, never contribute to what we're doing until you've made your way out to mid SES socioeconomic status because sometimes, yeah, sometimes when you only have a couple dollars, it can also be very interesting to give, you know, one of your dollars to, you know, to someone else and just see how that makes you feel and see what it does. But you're right. The system is working exactly how it's supposed to be working when the poorest people in the world are able to watch this content free of cost and hopefully learn something from it, get inspired by it, go and build with it, manifest their destiny into the world. Yeah. Yeah. And it's interesting, like if you only have a little giving of what you have, really means a lot to- Yeah. Yeah. That's right. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. A proportion of the total amount of money that you have. Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting. So another thing I wanted to ask you. Yes. And I, I think this struck me a little bit after, after your event last night. But like- Yeah. Dr. Adam Gizelli. Yes. Who's a, who's a world famous neuroscientist, entrepreneur, author, investor, professor. And that was a really fun event about neuroscience and about mental health and about solutions to a lot of our technology addictions and augmenting human intelligence. I love that. So yeah, shout out to Adam. Yeah. Shout out to that event. And I'm glad you were there. Nick's actually been around for a long time helping out with even our science comedy show that we started before that. It's been, Nick introduced me to first robotics, which is why he's a roboticist and he got me involved judging and I'm seeing game announcing and stuff and I love those kids. Anyway. Yes. After the event yesterday. Yes. So this kind of struck me. Like I want to ask, what does a day in the life of Alan Sakyam look like? Well Nick just watched me, Nick just watched me upload the cognition crisis video. So I, so after the cognition crisis is, this is a good question. So at the show was at, the show was at 8pm yesterday on Friday, December 14th and at around in the morning sometime around like 10, I think ish, 9 or 10. I was beginning to put together the equipment with Ron Vargas, Ron Vargas is the producer and director of the show and he's the various preferred technical director, Ron Vargas.com. Of course you've heard of him. And we're putting together the equipment and we're making sure we have everything. So that means, that means robotic cameras. That means control surface for the robotic cameras. That means a tricaster mini. That means tripods. That means lights. That means tripods for the lights. That means all of the cabling. That means all of that equipment making sure you don't forget things. So that's like three pelican cases, three big cable bags and it's in the four tripods. So this is a lot of equipment that we're talking about. And then, and that's fantastic because that's a life switching system which enables you to not have to switch back between cameras during premiere and Ron is able to control the robotic cameras with the control surface instead of have to camera operate manually he can control the control surface. That was nine to ten then at ten it was a very hard core focus on everything that needed to be done in order to get the event rolling in its fullest fruition. This means talking to a lot of the local Bay Area influencers that we know and making sure that they know about the event again like, hey, have you guys, are you guys coming? Have you guys made some like some ticket comps to the influencers? Have you guys promoted it yet? Like we're going to be rolling really hot tonight. We're really excited for this event, that kind of a thing. And so that was really fun because it gets the juices starting to flow. And then I'm reviewing the material that I've written about Adam. And so I've known Adam now for about two years. And so I love his book The Distracted Mind and so I was reviewing that book that I read last year. And I was meshing together the notes from his cognition crisis piece, so synthesizing those things plus Akili, his company that is working on digital medicine and literally prescribing video games as therapeutics for ADHD, PTSD, Parkinson's, all these interesting things. And that's probably around noon then around then at some point I finally end up showering and shaving and getting together the sort of the final touches on the evening like making sure that all of the, you know, we literally have to run to Trader Joe's. We have team, Anthony Carousel is an amazing member of our team as well. He does a lot of the event photography and he also does the, he'll, you know, he'll swoop up to our back door here around like 430. And the event, remember the doors open at 7, show starts at 8. So at 430 we're moving all of this equipment into his car. We are lugging it, all of that equipment to Trader Joe's with us because we have to go to Trader Joe's to buy food because the event is, you know, our ticketing is one of the ways that we provide ourselves with revenue. And so I've went through this in our video about the, the life of running a YouTube channel and that's also the life of running a business. And so one of our mainstreams of revenue besides Patreon is ticket sales. So our tickets are 35 bucks that includes food and drink and a ticket to the performance and that means beer or wine and an array of food. And so that means we're going to Trader Joe's and for those that can't afford to come, we give full scholarships and that's written in the, in the description of the events as we offer full scholarships to low SES people, which is extremely important to us. Again, very barrier of entry is, is for tech keys that make 100K, pay 35 bucks, support a local artist. For low SES people that can't afford email us free ticket, no problem. So huge part of our ethic and then, and then, yeah, so when we go and we get all that grub from Trader Joe's and then we go to drop it off at all that grub and the, and the equipment at work wise and, and then we set up all the equipment. We luckily have volunteers like Nick, we have Steven, we have Jordan. We have a really strong team of people that, that come and help us actually. This is really important as you build something into the world. You got to get people that are, that see that you're bringing value and that you ask to help you and to see if they're interested in helping you and keep building value, keep building relationships. And then soon you can get the whole earth behind your back. This beautiful blue and green marble, I love it. The entire earth. Well, that's one of the things that I mentioned in the, in the TEDx talk that I gave was ideas spread from an individual to the community to the world. And so if you can get the world believing in the fact that we need to have more thought provoking questions, thought provoking conversation, discourse, nuanced, driven, multidisciplinary discourse about the future of civilization, removing structural violence and all this stuff, which is, this is the big ethic of our show that it will actually happen. And to finish this off, we host the event. The event is fantastic. You know, we're obviously coordinating, having all the guests there, coordinating this with the work-wise, our venue, which we love work-wise. They're the future of work. And then afterward, so the event, you know, the event executes, it's super fun. We have a, we had Paco Romain, a local barrier comic, open up the show for 10 minutes. Then we had Adam and I sit down for an hour and discuss through the notes that I was talking about earlier, very rough, rough. So we can tangent where we want. And then Q and A, about 30, 40 minutes Q and A. And then we close the show. When you close the show, those three pelican cases, three bags, four tripods, two lights, et cetera, we're packing all that back up. We're moving that back to the studio. So that's, you know, that's a tremendous amount of work. And we're networking with people. People are networking with each other. It's hella fun. And that's, and you know, hilariously enough, that's not the end of my night. So after waking up at 9 and doing that event, I come back and I, you know, Nick and Anthony are down here talking about the universe and talking about all this interesting stuff to me. And I'm thinking like, I have to pump out this content. As in, we usually live stream our shows and we only, we recorded our show instead of live streaming it. And it can sometimes be hard to get any third connection. And then you get a two hour show instead of what we have now, which we uploaded, which is a one hour talk with Adam, then a 35 or whatever, meet at Q and A and then a five minute highlight reel. So I was able to chop segments out, put them at the beginning to entice people to watch, et cetera. So just to finish this up, I went and worked all night from midnight until 8 a.m. and I did all that. I went into Premiere and I made the intros, the outros. I made the cut pieces out from the middle of our talk and put it at the beginning to entice people to watch it in a very enticing format. And then it takes hours. It takes hours that we woke up maybe around like 11, 1130, so three hour, three and a half hours sleep for me. And then immediately when I woke up for the last two hours, I've been making thumbnails to those videos. I've been making tags, making bios, posting all these videos across social media because the ball is still hot. People remember the event. They want to see the content. I have a backlog of 20 interviews to still edit. I need to get this shit out. So it's worth it for us to fucking execute and get shit done. Go and build. Stop being lazy. Stop. When your attention is fragmented, you are not manifesting your destiny. Your top-down, neural architecture top-down processing needs to be fueled by you putting everything away and executing for eight straight hours like I did last night. And that's how you get shit done. Focus and get shit done. Turn all your notifications off. Use those devices as one-way communication tools. I can preach for a long time, Nick is ready to ask another question. That's the life of a day when we do an event and I have a fuckload of video to edit. So that's a day. Your focus is really incredible. Thank you, Thomas. Love you. Love you, man. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. So the next thing I wanted to ask, like you were getting back into talking about all these thought-provoking questions. And if I answer for 15 minutes a question, the show will never end. How about I ask you one? OK, we've got a thought-provoking one. So those are good questions. Alan, what do you think of you've outlined, and I remember your original 20 questions. You had so many questions, so many pressing issues, things that were top of mind for you then, and many of them still are now, of those problems or maybe a new one. What do you think is the biggest problem that faces our species, our civilization, our planet? And what do you think will end up happening to address that? Such a good question. Damn. Biggest problem facing our species and what will do to solve that? Yeah. Well, let's put it this way. Civilization has evolved grace in many ways just so luckily and gracefully out of four and a half billion years of evolution, Earth orbiting the star. And that is a miracle in itself that life evolved to this pinnacle of a human mind that is now built civilizations. The fact that we don't have gratitude in our daily embedded souls for the fact that we are here living amongst each other so beautifully and we're not celebrating and on a daily basis carrying around a spirit of like, fuck, yeah, it's amazing that we're all alive and sharing this collective experience together, 7.7 billion of us. That that is disheartening that we don't have that sort of a love and communion with each other, communion with nature and evolution that got us here. I think that's the biggest problem that faces our species is that we don't have a collective sense of unity as planet Earth, as Earthlings moving forward. And because we could tackle fucking anything we want, anything, anything we want. If we had that collective sense of unity and just we knew how to maximize our full potential and also the resource flows that enable individuals to collectively maximize their potential, a lot of it has to do with degrees of freedom, one's ability to pursue what they want. Shout out to me again Wade. We have so much like social fragmentation from all the tribalism that our species has taken on as part of how we've become where we are today. How do we, how do we move past that? Oh, the solution. Yeah, yeah, the solution's, Nick's like, get to the solution, look at that. Look at this, look at this blue marble, blue and green marble. It's fricking gorgeous. The fact that we all fricking live here. Everyone. Everyone lives here. Everyone you've ever known. Everyone you've ever known. All 100 billion humans that have lived and died before us today to build this beautiful civilization and all of the species, I think it's a hundred million species. Wow. That have been around and now it's 10 million, so 90 million are gone, 10 million species left approximately. And it's just, it's just interesting, well species naturally extinct, it's not all. Speciation. Speciation, yes. So the solution, yeah, because I have the questions, well answers, but I'll, let me see what I can pull here. Well, and one that I think is not difficult to ask of people to do, and that is also the most accessible thing on the planet is people's breath. Breath. It's people's breath. So if you join me, Nick, turning off the visual stimuli of the eyes and taking these long inhales and exhales, being grateful for the fact that we're even alive here and breathing, feeling our bodies, feeling our hearts. This is the type of stuff that's fucking free. It's free, it's free to do this and to ground yourself into that feeling. And then when you ground yourself into that feeling, you gain a greater sense of gratitude for you and your body and just feeling in general. And then you can help take that feeling and gain a sense of compassion and empathy for Earth as a unity, as a union with evolution, species, other humans, et cetera. So I think that's breath. Breath is a very interesting solution. And it's been passed down for thousands of years and it's just that a lot of people are running around in the economic and political machinery of civilization. That's what we're doing nowadays and in many ways that doesn't maximize one's ability to connect deeply with their own soul and their own heart and their own self-work and who they are, know thyself, self-awareness, and then the ability to bring value to other people and help civilization. So that's my answer, breath, yeah. What do you think of that, Thomas? Actually, that also makes me think back to what some of the stuff that Adam was talking about last night, like in this attention economy, like it's so easy to not take that space between stimulus and action and consider how to proceed and to just react. It's as if this breathing, this mindfulness has been a part of, at least a part of human culture for a long time and it's only gotten harder as our technology has done good and bad things for us. That's right, that's a good, that's a really good connecting point from last night. Adam taught us about the pause being one of the main things that makes humans different than every other species and in that moment, that pause, that mindful ability for us to breathe and just be present in that moment and think about our hearts, but also our goals and what we care about rather than going immediately for, oh my God, I'm bored right now, I'm in line, I gotta do this, I gotta information forage. So anyway, yeah, that's a really good connecting point, Nick, good stuff. This is very interesting, this is very interesting, this is very interesting. Yes, so I'm gonna ask the next question and I wanna remind everybody, like Alan doesn't know what I'm asking next. Oh yeah, that's true. It's fantastic. I love that part about it, it's fresh that way, yeah. It's authentic, it's fresh and real, yeah. I totally am glad that we're doing it this way, yeah. Yeah, so another question I wanted to ask and I think we've touched on this a little bit already. Okay. But like, what is your brand? Like. Oh, that's interesting, yeah, yeah. Not only Simulation, but like Alan Saquian. Yeah, yeah. What is your personal brand? Yeah, yeah, that's a great question, Nick. It isn't beatboxing. That is part of the brand, it's the ability to just be silly and free think and not be so worried about what other people are saying but there's so much more. The main aspect of the brand, there's a very good quote by just quick on that silliness point. The Dr. Seuss quote that I like nonsense because it wakes up the brain cells. And so, yeah, nonsense is fucking amazing. And so if you can be like, doop dee ba ba, ee ba dee ba ba, doop doop doop doop doop doop doop doop doop. Oh, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You can just mess around and it just, it livens things up and it just, it makes things not, conformity sucks. So what is the brand of Allen? What's, you know, I don't even really, the name Allen and, you know, it's a beautiful divine thing that everyone is given their name, their first name and their last name and that's beautiful and divine in many ways. But at the same time, it's also like that just like, I don't want, my Allen has nothing to do with civilization. Civilization has so much more, my little 80 year spark of life and death, those two voids of life and death in my 80 years in between is a grain of sand on the cosmic scale and the evolutionary scale and my impact on earth is so, again, grain of sand, less so the brand of Allen and more so, what can we really do? How can we augment the perception of civilization to care more about that unity, that collective feeling of prosperity together moving forward? And so that's the brand, that's the brand of simulation, that's the brand of Allen's office, that's the brand, but the general idea is just, whether it's simulation, Allen, whatever, not even associating it with a brand. Brands or power, they're blah, blah, blah, but just carrying that augmentation and perception, if just more organizations can just carry that augmentation and perception of unity and desire for collective prosperity and how just grateful and humble we are to even be here together celebrating like a big party and taking great care of earth and birthing out of the womb into the cosmos. I love that stuff, Nick, that's my answer. I think you've just managed to answer my next question as well. Oh, great. But I'm gonna see if you have anything to add. Okay. What is your mission? Okay, okay. I think a main part of just something to add to that, which this is good that you asked about adding to it, is there's a lot of structural violences that impede people from self-actualization. And it's extremely important for us to eradicate those structural violences as soon as possible. So giving someone a degree of freedom is extremely important, meaning people on earth don't have, some people don't have basic necessities for survival, access to clean water, access to electricity, access to food, access to shelter, access to education and healthcare, these types of things. And so the tiniest thing, the biggest thing we can do, but it's such an interestingly tiny thing, it's not to go and deliver fresh water to places that don't have fresh water because that's like a Band-Aid. It's better to actually empower the local communities there to find the sources of fresh water and fresh food to job growth, as in if they can actually find a way to prosper in their local communities by producing something locally of value and then eliminating these structural violences, things like egregious, excuse me, egregious 45% tariffs that occur on importing goods into places like Senegal, other things like the difficulty it is to create forms of e-government around the world, like you have to take a year's worth of your salary and then you have to wait a year in order to be able to start a business and then if you mess up on some of your paperwork, people can go and corruptly, greedily try and hold things over your head. These are the things that are impeding people from prospering with their degrees of freedom in whatever ways they desire. And so that's something that is part, deep part of the evolving ethic that we've developed here and that we wanna get out as soon as possible around the world. This is not just the United States, this is around the world and we'll get there together, everyone, just one step at a time, we'll be patient and we'll have a grassroots uprising of this increase of self-awareness and collective awareness slowly, but it will happen and we're gonna obsolete the megalomaniacs, those that are too driven by greed and corruption and we're gonna drive that ethic out of civilization. We're gonna obsolete that system through our grassroots movement. Wow, I think that's not only a message of empowering people, but I think it really speaks to how you see the future. I mean, I think so much of what you talk about, you talk about social problems, you talk about structural problems, but you also talk about the people, as it were, the great person theory of history. Teach us about that, Nick. Yeah, so I mean, I think in essence it's the idea and it's a bit of a simplification, but it's the idea that a person can be the spark that changes everything. Like butterfly effect style. In a sense, yeah. But it's that it's not like structural patterns in society and it's not inevitable, but when you get a person who's the right person for that time, like the Einstein who goes, well, there's all of these ideas, but has that unique spark of insight. Yeah. To really change things. Yeah. But of course. The great person theory. Yeah. I like that. I like that. The great person theory. Yeah. And that means you can be the great person and you can be the great person. Yeah. And you can be the great person. You can be the great person. I got it. I see where you're going. I see where you're going. I see where you're going. So that's good, Nick. That's good. Yeah. Yeah. I like that a lot. But I'm curious like, so you talk about so much nuance and so many ups and downs and challenges and potential solutions and ideas and problems. Where do you see like when you think of the future, do you think of it optimistically or do you think of it like pessimistically or concerned for the way that the future will unwind? Like how do you see the future? So this is good. This is good. So first and foremost is becoming very informed about the current state of humanity and then also the history of how humans got to this place. So there's a very important principle called the Pareto principle. You have to focus so much of your time and your neural architecture because there's a limitation in the amount of time and neural architecture you can fill and go and parse for the highest signal. This means go and find the only 20% of information that exists about the current state of humanity and the history of humanity that's going to give you the 80% or more grand picture, the picture of big history of understanding how civilization got here and who we are first and foremost. So do that, build out your mental lattice really strongly with the highest signal possible and focus. So that's first, look at this freaking gorgeous earth that we live in, I love this place, it's amazing. It's gorgeous. 7.7 billion of us. Okay, so that's first and then that's realism. So that's realism is having this true real picture of big history first and foremost. And then we carry a sense of optimism. We carry a sense of optimism about what we talked about earlier in the show, our ability to prosper collectively and become a pinnacle civilization in the cosmos and just ramp up, maximize human potential to the fullest as at an individual collective level. And so that's a great sense of optimism there. So it's like an optimistic realist, but, but it's extremely important to still have a very strong realistic understanding of the negative influences that still plague the world in terms of those structural violences. Who is creating those structural violences? Why are they purposely, what led societal evolution and their individual mind evolution in their environment to want to be greedy, to want to be corrupt, to want to be violent, what led them to those points? Ask yourself these questions, what led them there and then how do we remove the obstacles, those issues that leads people to those feelings. So that's, you have the realistic perspective, optimistic perspective, and you also understand the negatives to obsolete the negatives by building out the optimistic positives. That would be my answer to that, yeah. Okay. Good questions. I like that. So what do you think, as humanity goes on, I know unity is a big theme that you've had as you're talking through this. Yes. But as humanity goes, and I know you're familiar with the idea of like a type one civilization, type two. Yeah, Kardashev scale. Kardashev scale, yes. Shout out to our homie Kardashev. Who's Kardashev's first name? I'm not sure. Let's give a proper shout out to Kardashev here. Yes. Kardashev scale. It is, the Kardashev scale is Kardashev first name. Let's do that first. By Nikolai Kardashev. Oh, Nikolai Kardashev, yes. Soviet astronomer. Yeah, cool. Kardashev scale is a method of measuring a civilization's level of technological advancement based on the amount of energy a civilization is able to use. Proposed by Soviet astronomer Nikolai Kardashev in 1964. So just a quick overview just for people who don't know because we haven't talked about it. A type one civilization is one that can harness all of the power of their planet. A type two civilization can harness all of the power of their star. And a type three civilization can harness the power of all of the stars of their galaxy. Yes. Okay, so that's our Kardashev scale everywhere. So it's a metric of growth, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And as humanity, as our civilization grows, what is something that you think is important that we hold on to and don't lose sight of? Very good question, very good question. We talked about breath and breath was extremely important. Breath kinda is that thing that makes us really human. That pause, that breath really makes us human. The ability to be mindful. I'd like to see us retain that sense of true ethereal humanity, something that's so subtly beautiful. The word in Japanese for it is yugin. It's a profound sense of mystery and beauty of the universe. Cause we are progressing into the age of exponential technologies and so now it's really important to retain some sort of really just true mindful principles of humans and ethics and morals and compassion and care for each other now more than ever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. To really hold on to our humanity. Yeah. Yeah, what would you answer that question with? I mean, I think the thing that really sticks out to me is like, but it's kind of two sides of the same coin. It's the sense of wonder and the inquisitiveness that we have. Like that as we go into a future where the cosmic background, microwave background is no longer necessarily detectable. And there are new things. And there's only so much time that we have to learn all that we can learn. Like I think like finding out about ourselves about the universe and wanting to know more that thirst for knowledge. I know we talk about it like on the psychological side as like being information foraging. But I think there's a very strong and powerful side to that as well. And I think I don't want to see us lose that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I have another question, cause that was really good. Sure. The sense of wonder and the sense of excitement to go forth out and build and create and work together as a union as we go out, learn as much as possible. I would be curious to hear your thoughts about this. Prior to what is it that they call it heat death? Heat death, yes. Of the universe? Yes. All of the stars go out at some point? Yep. Okay. And that's supposedly supposed to be a couple decades, tens of billions of years. Yeah. Decades of billions of years, yeah. Tens of billions down the line. So my thought about that then would be, you know, okay, let's talk, tens of billions of years is ridiculous that humans are able to contemplate this kind of stuff. My point is that it wouldn't it be interesting for us to discover that everything is kind of recursive in the sense that civilization advances to the point of singularity our ability to have such a strong union with evolution and technology and all the power in the universe, all that is in the universe and make ourselves invincible of the heat death of the universe. Invincible to the heat death of the universe. And then once you get to that point, then it goes right back into the birth of potentially a big bang. And again, you have new worlds forming, your life's forming. Maybe you don't actually, maybe on the spark of life and death after you die, maybe you go right into the next game, the next mission that you're playing to level up your soul. It's exciting stuff on a different rock with a different civilization that has evolved. What do you think about that, Nick? I mean, it reminds me a lot of the idea of like a big crunch. That's the first thing that comes to mind. Big crunch, are you familiar? I think I'll tell this again. You have the idea of the universe dying by heat. You have the idea of the universe dying through cold. What if? What if rather than either of those outcomes, the universe is actually cyclic? Yes, the cyclic. Where the expansion that dark energy and dark matter are sort of attached to reverses. And everything comes back to a point before a new big bang. Boom, there it is, that's it, I love it. Yes, I'll admit I'm not up on the latest research on possibilities for the trajectory of our universe. Likewise, totally. But I do love that idea. Me too. Like that seems, it's certainly a possibility in the future. But I think it's a really poetic one. It's a very, very poetic and gorgeous one. And I love thinking about that one. And also I'd like for us to clarify, like you just clarified, we're not professionals in the field. But we also don't have bias of attachment towards that ideology. But it's just a poetic ideology that is cool to think about. And maybe if the universe is so damn beautiful like we're pointing out to, maybe that is the truth. Maybe that is the beauty is that poetic cyclical, yeah. It's gorgeous. I mean, for as much as the universe does not care what our aesthetic preferences are, there are remarkably good guide for things that we should look into as possibilities. Because I mean, if you think about, and this is something we were talking about earlier, like how math drives and is attached to so much of not only how the universe exists and how physics works and all of these things, but a lot of like our aesthetic preferences, like the golden ratio. The golden ratio, yeah. Are tied into mathematics as well. And we're able to describe them in that language. Yeah. So while it's not like, oh yeah, this is something that aesthetically makes sense to us, therefore it's probably true. Things that seem poetic in that way, that's an inspiring thing to go, I wanna find out about that. I wanna see if that's true. Yeah. I wanna research that. And it's not only personally meaningful to the people who are doing that, but it's actually not a bad heuristic. Yeah. Yeah. I love that one. I like that. It's a very powerful heuristic, yeah. I'm really happy that you lined that out. Yeah. Being there with that feeling of what you just described is so important. I love it, I love it. Like creating meaning through things that are powerful to you. Yes, period. And then if it also gives us a collective understanding of reality, even all the better. All the better. All the better. So speaking of things that are like personally meaningful, I know one of your big goals, you wanna fill a stadium. Yes. Like who are celebrating ideas. Yes. And executing them, yeah. Executing them, yes. Executing them too, yeah, both. And I love the idea and the symbolism of that. And I, frankly, like I feel like anybody betting against that is gonna lose. Oh really? Yeah, okay, I hope, I hope. But I wanna know. Someone else can also pull it together, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I hope, I hope some of them. Maybe it's not, I hope it's not just you. Exactly, I hope it's not any people. If anything, maybe you're the first, but not the last. Yeah, absolutely. But I wanna know, like, you get there, what's your next big goal? After that? Yes. Oh my God. Where do you go from there? Okay, interesting. Well, for sure, stadiums filling them around the world. So not just one stadium, but stadiums around the world. By the time we get to that point, I think we're likely going to have closer to nine billion people on the planet. So it'll be really important to go to these different diverse areas. I mean, Africa in many ways is blossoming to become an amazing place of potential, creative potential. The demographics are so young and they're gaining access to the most important basic necessities that are gonna enable them to flourish. I'm super excited for Africa. And so, things like that just get me jazzed because that is like, well, we could go and do a, in Addis Ababa, we could go do one in Ethiopia, Philistadium there, we could go Philistadium in Dakar in Senegal, Philistadium in Cairo, Philistadium in Lagos, and that excites me so much to go do that in Africa. Philistadiums in South America, in Asia, Europe, fuck it. Let's go to Camp Murdo, in- McMurdo. McMurdo Camp. McMurdo base, the McMurdo base in Antarctica. Let's go down there. All seven continents. All seven continents. Shout out to our homies in Antarctica. Look at that gorgeous piece of ice down there. Holy fuck. Yeah. It's amazing. It's a commonly distorted body by different projections. Yeah, the projections suck. Look at that. That's a beautiful, real way to understand how massive that piece of ice is. Yeah. Because it's on a spear now instead of on a 2D Mercator map. Yeah, or any number of projections that skew it from being tiny, like that little thing on the bottom, to being massive and oversized compared to what it is. Yes, yes, yes. So, stadiums around the world after the first one, and making a culture of stadiums, making a culture of curious intellectuals, gathering to talk about ideas in nuanced, multidisciplinary formats where they're actually, and we'll eventually get to this point too, where we don't have the financing and the structure to be able to do this yet, but we will in our studio as well as our live events. In the studio, we sometimes put it up on the screen here as we talk about things, but I really want to actually be able to start writing out the mental lattice that's being developed in a sit down. So once we sit down with someone like right now with Nick, we would have had already had, and this area we've been talking about, the union of earth in this area, we've been talking about eradicating structural violences. That way there's a visual being developed simultaneously with the conversation. I know, and I've talked to a lot of, I've messaged the intellectual dark web about this, and I really want to get this into the large, 3000 seat theaters as soon as possible, where we're actually putting on the projector screen the mental lattice that's being developed out as conversation is going, and the visual representation of it. So anyway, in the sports stadiums, what I'd like to see in the sports stadiums is the curious intellectuals coming up, building out this mental lattice, and then having their innovative thoughts that they're having actually have action items of execution. This group of 1000 curious intellectuals that really love this idea of scaling clean meat, making it in bioreactors around the world, and the largest amounts around the world, they're gonna tackle that, and they're gonna get clean meat everywhere as fast as possible in all those varieties. Then so I'm talking about like that. So this is I guess where it goes next is these pockets of thousands or hundreds or even just a dozen people that go off and execute on the ideas that the curious intellectuals have in the stadiums. Love it. So you both want to spread it out, but also strengthen it and turn it from something that's not only a meaningful event, I think for a lot of people, but turn it into something that is actionable. Yeah, that's right. Of course, of course it has to have that. I think that really, I think that dovetails nicely. Like I think a big part of how you, if not how you see the world, like how you interact with the world is like very entrepreneurial. Totally. Like obviously, right, right? But that's... One hundred. Yeah, yeah, that's right. That's how you come at the world. It's one of the most important ways to come at the world. I think there's a lot of lenses that you take in addition to that. Like you talk to psychologists, biologists, computer scientists, physicists, chemists, like scientists of just about every description that I can list off. Yes, sir. And entrepreneurs and artists and educators and the technologists and the geopolitical scientists and the emotional intelligence researchers and all the different types of people from different places of origin across the earth too. So you're building out the multidisciplinary mental lattice. And like... Nick, you also described quick, I know you wanna go again. You described something really interesting which was you described how the stadium idea goes from zero to one, as Teal says. It goes from zero to one, the creative thought of figuring out how to put together the sports stadium in the first place. Then it interestingly goes from one to many. So it goes across the world and then, funny enough, it cycles right back to from one to two. So you're going again from zero to one across all of these stadiums are then going and flourishing up ideas and executing. And then those ideas are spreading again. This is the tree that we've had, the wheel made so much more, the language made so much more, et cetera. So that's what we'll be doing. So I just wanted to share that. Yeah, your design pattern is both out and up. Out and up, I love it, I love it. Yeah, but I wanted to ask, I know interdisciplinary is a huge concept for you. Yes, interdisciplinary is a good way to put it. So is multi-disciplinary. I like both of those words a lot. I mean, I think they're close partners. They're super close partners, yeah. But I wonder if not the entrepreneurial one. Maybe we should quickly explain because I think Inter is more about if you smash together biotech and neuroscience or biotech and blockchain or something like that, you smash those. That's interdisciplinary. Interdisciplinary is the lattice, as you might say. Like that place where the two disciplines come together. And I think Inter is specifically would be biotech and blockchain, like that Venn diagram, that overlap. And the multi-disciplinary could mean two or three or four or five or six disciplines in that Venn diagram center where that's a big part of again, I think augmenting people's perception and civilization's perception to have as much nuance and perspective as possible. I've actually considered this. What do you think about Alan Nuance Saakyan? What do you guys think? Yeah. Ooh, what do you guys think? I feel like there's more to you than nuance. I think if more of civilization could get behind the word nuance and actually practice it in a meaningful way, I think we could prosper faster. But yeah, how about Alan multi-disciplinary Saakyan? I'm just talking around. Okay, continue please. Yes, yes, okay. So what I really wanted to ask is like, if you hadn't gone the route of seeing things as an entrepreneur, if your life had gone a different way, I'm sure you would have ended up in a similar place. But is there something else that speaks to you as like, another way you could have gone? Or another lens that like you really want to dive into more in the future? Like some other discipline, some other way of seeing the world that you want to pull in. I think I have the answer here. Okay. I'm glad that it came so quickly. It means maybe it's actually extremely true to me. So two things there. The first thing is that I, when you say that if you did not do simulation in what you're doing right now, you know, maybe you'd be in a similar place in some sort of other area and whatnot. My thought about that is sure, maybe, but I think it was extremely easy for any of these variables to be tweaked just such to where I would have stayed, where I was born in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, my entire life. Yeah. And that was quite easy. Or stayed in finished college at the University of Minnesota in Minneapolis and then stayed in Minneapolis or went to Chicago or went back to Sioux Falls or whatever. That any of those small tweaks in the variables would have ended me up in a place that I think would not have been maximizing my truest potential into the world. And so here I am in a place where I feel like I am truly maximizing my truest potential. It's because I refused to conform to the principles of normalization that are permeating civilization in every single way that, you know, stay near, stay near where you were born, near your family and your friends and the people that you know. Go to the college that you wanna go to, go for four years, even if you don't know what you wanna do and follow these normal, good job that's nine to five and, you know, make enough money so you can buy a house and have kids and the family. I say it with drudgery, not because it is a drudgerous thing. To some people, this is most meaningful to them. Fantastic. You are your own color on the color wheel, as am I. And not one color is better than the other, but what's interesting is not enough people know that this color even exists. The entrepreneurial color, the offbeat path, a lot of kids aren't even introduced to the fact that they don't have to go to college. They can go and execute their ideas starting at the age of 10 into the world. They can start executing at super young ages. Shout out to JoJo Siwa, this 16 year old down in Los Angeles that's been executing since she was like frickin' six or eight learning how to act and dance and sing and do. And be a business person and now she's rocking down in Los Angeles and has millions of people that are following her and subscribe to her and she's a very inspirational young person that does the whole dream thing. If you can see it, you can believe in yourself and achieve things. As a Gen Z, this is really important. She's 16 teaching two to 14 year olds this stuff at the Gen Zs. So my point is that can you imagine if more people knew about, there's a couple points here. If more people knew about the ability to pursue what was on the offbeat path that they saw the 99% walking down the path or 95% or 90% or 80% bifurcated across, trifurcated across a bunch of different paths. Then they saw a different path that they didn't know that they could see until a mentor told them about it or until they watched someone else like Gary Vaynerchuk talk about the fact that just shatter through the normal conformist principles and go find your own shit to do and execute, execute, execute daily that that has led me to a great point of self actualization. Also, there are, I believe, potentially, potentially a lot of different multiverses going on. A lot of different universes occurring that have these Allens in them. The Allen that stayed in Sioux Falls has actually exists in a different universe right now. The Allen that stayed in Minneapolis finished college still in Sioux. The Allen that left the Bay Area because he was pissed off about how hard it was to be an entrepreneur. I talked about this a little bit in a show. It was 22, 23, 24, et cetera. It was just so stressful being an entrepreneur in the Bay Area and I wasn't patient. I wasn't patient. I was like, I wanna get there so fast. I wanna get there so fast but the journey's the most important part. The journey's the most important part. I think that's something that's true in a lot of people's lives, even if they're not going the entrepreneurial route, going for that shade, that wonderful Allen color. I think people go, I see this thing up here. This is my goal. I wanna be a scientist. I wanna be a big author. I wanna be whatever their thousand foot view of where they wanna be is and they see where they are right now. And they go, this is daunting. This is scary. This is terrifying. And it's really challenging for a lot of people to go, okay, so here's this. Here's the next step. Here's the next three steps after that. And honestly, to see people who have done that is so important. And to meet people and understand that there is a path from A to Z and you can't do it in one leap. That's not a thing. Oh yeah, it's called, here it is. I just wanna show it to people. It's called the Valley of Death of Entrepreneurship. It's kind of like this basically in a very small way to explain it. You have this amazing, wild imagination of a creative endeavor you wanna execute into the world and then it's the journey which is the hardest part which is the Valley of Death because so many ideas die in that section which is what I was just referencing. The idea that you're trying to go and execute like I was in the Bay Area and then in a different multiverse in a different universe. There is an Allen that is currently roaming Europe or China or whatever other part of the world because Allen just pulled the plug out of the rat race and Silicon Valley and went somewhere else. Is that Allen differently, meaningfully actualized? Sure, he would be in Sioux Falls too, et cetera. So that was one part of the answer. I'm glad you brought this up, The Valley of Death. The Valley of Death is so freaking important, Nick. I'm really happy you brought it up. And another part of the answer to your question is if Allen was not doing simulation, Allen would be, and I do believe this is something that I will be doing in the future with what I've built with this project, hopefully, is that I really want to actually architect, I wanna be a planetary architect. So, look at Nick's face. So I wanna be a planetary architect that means that I want to, I wanna architect the frameworks of civilization that enable maximal prosperity, both as individuals and also as a collective. So that's what I would be doing slash what I wanna be doing in the future along with this. So it's like the stadiums plus those creative warehouses, which we didn't really get to touch on, but the idea of where these stadiums are going to have these groups of people that go, they get access to these massive centers that enable them with all the technologies. And again, this is not based on ownership. This is based on decentralization. Decentralization, decentralized artificial intelligences that are able to move about and help with these things. But the creative execution of these ideas that come from these stadiums are the ideas that do the thing that I just described about maximizing civilizational prosperity being a planetary architect. So the people, everyone is in that sense doing it, but some people are doing it on a very individual scale where they go and spend a lot of one-on-one time with another human, and then they go, tell me about your life. How can I help you? How can I bring value to, et cetera? And a lot of people also do this on a scale of like, how can I impact 7.7 billion people in the next two years with a really crazy cool idea? And so there's all these different scales of civilizational planetary architecture. So anyway, that would be my answer. This is, I think, yeah, we've been going for a while. How many more cues? My last question. Oh, this is the last one. This is the one I promised you. Oh my God! This is the one I promised you. You really should expect. Oh gosh, okay, but I still don't know what it is, so. Okay, let's do this. Do you, Alan Sakyon, believe? Oh God, I know what it is now. We are in a computer simulation. Oh, I'm glad I'm being asked this question now. Interesting. Thanks Nick for asking this. We started interestingly hinting at this last night in conversation, and I thought it was really good that we started hinting at it this way. I like thinking of the universe in code. And if we think about the universe in code, things kind of start making sense about how reality exists. And let's take an example that your heart beats 86,000-ish times per day. You can quite easily run that as a line of code. Beat 86,000 times per day unless or if you can have exercise occurs, beat more times per day, if decreased heart rate occurs from deep periods of meditation, then less times per day, et cetera. I can almost guarantee you that you are going to have a line of code that says that you're going to urinate three times today. You're going to eat three times today. You're going to brush your teeth twice today. You're going to take one shower today. You're going to blink 10, 20, 30,000-ish times today. You're going to do these things a certain amount of times per day. It's kind of interesting. So are there, is there a certain, let's talk about this also on a solar system-esque scale. Is the Earth 93 million miles from the star? Yes, ish, that's what we call this. You call these miles, million miles. Is gravity 9.8 meters per second squared? Yeah, okay, we've called these things with these labels, okay? We see how these things are kind of codified. They're coded. And if you can code the distance of the planet from the star and the brightness of the star and the size of the star and the mass of the planet and the actual atoms. So again, now we're breaking down the periodic table. We're breaking down, we're carbon-based beings, how there's oxygen that we breathe, et cetera. There's so much of this. It's difficult to try and summarize in the most concise way possible. And I think the easiest way for me to summarize is how I just started trying to put it into pieces, which is just thinking about the universe as code makes the inquiry of simulation theory more interesting to try and understand because when we get to that point that we were talking about earlier in the show, when we were talking about singularity, that there are going to be interesting simulations that we run ourselves. And we will learn a lot about ourselves when we run those simulations. If you can code what it's like for a rock, earth, to orbit a star, a burning nuclear fusion reactor, if you can code that and code 13.8 billion years of evolution and code the 4.5 billion years of evolution of earth and code the last 6 million years of evolution of the human, that if you encode these things and all of a sudden you see the exact point in 2018 this year that we're at and you're like, wow, civilization's the exact way that our code ran that it would predict it to be, that's when you say, wow, how is this itself potentially not just code? So that would be a nuance-driven way to say, think about the universe as code and let that thought experiment run you into cool ways of thinking and enjoy the conversation with other people about it. And last bit on it is how interesting is it though that maybe you are leveling up, maybe this is you in your 80-year span here on earth leveling up and we are, your mission may be to come to earth to help civilization make sense of itself in the cosmos and help this civilization prosper collectively as a union, that may be your mission because I have a strong feeling that it's my mission. And so this is me leveling up and you're leveling up too and who knows what will happen afterward? That is my answer, Hamas, what do you think of that? You tell me what you thought of that. No, I think that's, it's a uniquely Alan, I think it's a uniquely Alan way to answer it because I think I've definitely seen like similar approaches to the question of can we simulate a universe? And certainly the famous example of if we can, we probably are one. But the idea of looking at it from the top down, from the emergent properties, looking down onto the universe. It's interesting. I think that's a unique twist that it's an Alan way of framing that question. It really is. Yeah, Alan, we stand on the shoulders of giants so I hope to bring some sort of unique perspective to the way that we think about these things. And I'm glad you resonate with it. Yeah, I think that's what you've done for the last, what is it, 245? Yeah, 245 interviews before this. Yeah, we're on 246. 246. 246, woo! Yeah, and we still have a backlog of 20 more. And that's great, that's a lot in a year. It's been a lot of fun. We'll be at, you know, if we're at 500 next year, that means we've kept pace, which is exciting. And I think. Think about how many brilliant people there are to feature on this program. I'm super excited to feature more of your brilliant people on this program and hopefully inspire more people to care about that union together, moving forward. I love you, Nick. And no doubt you'll have zero trouble finding 500 more after that. Yeah, yeah, totally, totally. Yeah, the guess, the guess, no problem. It's how long do the batteries run? But it's interesting, like the energy inside, not, yeah, the 80-year energy, not like the batteries of a device. Just quickly, an interesting thought is post-production in many ways is a very, I think, potentially in some ways especially in long-form conversation. I think post-production is slightly dying because as you see what's going on here, we have this long-form, nuance-driven conversation and we're switching live between cameras. Bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah. And it's interesting because this goes live to YouTube and Facebook and then it lives there digitally and we have a recording of it and whatnot. But that is done. We don't have to go behind a computer into Premiere and go and cut for hours and hours and hours and nitpick and all this kind of stuff. And so I'm just saying that this medium in itself is a very fascinating medium, this long-form, multi-camera, live-stream format because you know how much easier it's going to be for us to do hundreds of interviews when it's live like this? You can sit down for one hour with 12 different people in a day. You can do 12 interviews in a day if you're that absolutely fanatic, which I am. We'll eventually get something crazy like that. But point being is that post-production will still live for other things. Definitely, especially like movies and stuff at post-production is a big thing. Yeah, no, I think to your point like we were talking earlier about how you spent, I think it was more than eight hours. Yeah, it was like eight hours. All of the video from last night. From last night. Like I think not doing post-production and this live format itself allows you to drop all of that, let that fade away and really focus on the content and really focus on your mission. That's right, that's right. And people that sit behind computers know how crazily strainy it can be for your neck, your back, your hips, your fingers, your eyes to be behind computer screens. And when you're here, we're more flowy, we're more like, you know, we can do whatever. You know? You move around. You move around and we're doing eye to eye, face to face, this is not behind a computer screen. So this is- It's more personal. It's more personal and there's interlocutors. So it's a dialogue that's going on and there's empathy and compassion and mental lattices at play versus a computer screen. So this is totally the future. Yeah. Nick, that was great. That was awesome. Thank you. I think you unleashed a lot of really powerful things in me by urging us to do this. And I love you so much for wanting to do this and caring about me enough to do this. And you are yourself a very powerful interlocutor, powerful polymath, a powerful human that cares so much about building a bright future. And I am just blessed to have you as my friend and also just that you did this because it took a lot of powerful things that have been building up in me over the last year, especially over the last couple of months. And we were able to really synthesize them quite interestingly in fascinating ways and get them out. And that's what I normally do for other people I feel like you do all of this and you are the guy in the editing suite. You're so many of these things and it's never about you. But I think you have a lot that you can share. And I knew that I wanted to do this for a while. I think it was six months ago when I first came up with the idea. It might be longer than that. It might be longer than that, yeah. But it was a while ago and I'm not quite sure what it was, but I knew today was when you needed to do this. I'm happy that you- And I want to help Alan level up. You have successfully helped me level up. Yeah, we did a lot of cool things like the one to many and then the upping of all those ideas going out. We talked about so many cool things and greatly appreciate you for it. Any last thoughts from you? I mean, I think that was it. I was gonna ask the same of you. Okay. Do you have any last thoughts? I normally just close out the show by telling people how much I fucking love them and we can do that and inspire people to actually build. So yeah, let's do that. I want a huge shout out to Nick, everyone. Major shout out to Nick. You can follow Nick on, you guys can follow Nick on Twitter. Nick, thank you, thank you, thank you very much. Bring it in, bring it in, brother. Cheers. Thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you. And you guys can follow Nick. Nick's Twitter is below and also a thing that Nick's really passionate about is First Robotics. I really recommend people to get involved with First Robotics around the world and I'm very passionate about it too. I was really thinking about trying to get it to places in the world that don't have it yet. Yeah. It's very exciting stuff. A lot of cool stuff can happen when young girls and boys get to design and engineer robots because then they get to learn about what they potentially can care about, et cetera. So anyway, check out First Robotics, firstinspires.org is the link, their URL. And so a huge shout out to Nick. Love you, Nick. And for you guys tuning into this episode, I really appreciate you guys tuning into this episode. It's been a very special one for me and it's a huge thanks to Nick for making it happen. Let me know your thoughts because I know some of you are frequent, frequenters on our channel and you have heard content from us before and we'd love to hear from you about what your thoughts were about me unleashing myself in this way and about Nick here. I have for a long time wanted Nick to be, as we develop this out from a dialogue between two people, eventually we'll build this out to be able to host three or four people simultaneously in multi-disciplinary format and Nick is one of the people that I definitely wanna have with us in those multi-person sit-downs. For the newbies as well, for people that haven't seen the show before that are watching this and a lot of you have commented before about who is this guy? And so Nick's laughing right now because it's very true that some of you are like, who the fuck's this guy? So this is a good way for those that are new to get to know I guess a bit more about simulation of a bit more about who I am, a bit more about what we care about and what we wanna do in the world. So give us your thoughts too. Give us your thoughts in the comments below everyone. We'd love to hear from you. There is a Telegram link. There's a ways to subscribe to us and follow what we're doing. 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