 Okay coach McGovern, you know what I don't think I've ever interviewed anybody who's in like a stance. I like you ready to go You're like put Ryan said you got to be ready. You gotta be constantly assessing right? Yeah Looking at the C3 here compound college combine you guys are D3 school How much do you guys gain from this as far as recruiting and how does this benefit the Duke? Well, this is prime time For recruiting these are the guys that are looking to wrestle in college and they're starting early in August They're at the national coaching convention. I met parents in here that have kids at a wrestling and they're interested So you want to go when when they're ready to make a decision a lot of these kids are not ready to make decisions They're ready to look so all college coaches come here, right? And so you want the kids to go where it's the best fit for them Whether it's their academics or career in their future in their lives So these are things that we should be supporting as college coaches and actually for the wrestlers here I'm finding a lot of good kids that work real hard Some of the kid at our leaders in the warm-up and and taking charge and just hard workers And they got positive energy and they love to to suffer and in grind and they love the battle And so you can see it in their faces those kids will go far because most kids aren't really ready for college to win A national title takes it takes them it takes a love it takes a passion it takes work ethic and consistency So that's what you see here, and I'll see you guys do a great job With it the energy you guys run in the camp do a great job So how much do you fight the battle of you have a lot of kids who think their division one? They think they're division two and then when they get there it's not their cup of tea How much of that battle do you fight where you know someone probably should have come to Dubuque? And they go elsewhere, and it just doesn't work out for them. Do you fight that battle a lot? Yeah, I don't think of it as a battle because I want kids to have a dream I want them to be the best in the world. I want to be a Olympic world medal I don't want to lose that that dream at the same time sometimes the division three fit I mean we got guys on the Greco Olympic ladder with Rao Jeff Rao on Nazar who was D3 So you you can see that division three guys. I was one. I was on the national team top three And I feel like you just got to go where it's a good fit for you When you feel like that coach really cares knows you it can help you reach your goals And if you feel that way You know your highest level I think should be to be the best in the world But obviously division one's a marquee event and that sells tickets and that sells Legacies and so I get it when kids want to do that But no a division three has an opportunity for guys to excel at the highest level and I think get you look at that But also we're gonna give you time to really make sure you can graduate here with academic honors and Look out for your future In life beyond the map. We don't really have like any professional outlets, right? You know like we have Probably 20 athletes right now who maybe maybe 20 guys are making over 70 80 grand as being athletes and that's a high number I think you're right and so I don't think maybe you want to sell that that Wrestlers are gonna always make a living in wrestling, but but at the same time you can't look around at this convention Say they can't we got a lot of guys that turn into college coaches high school coaches club coaches Or their passion is still at the sport They're making a lot of money as investors lawyers leaders in the communities and they end up being back to the club supporting the club coaches and so Wrestling people can maybe make a difference and potentially make a living But this is something that that is good for America. It's good for building men It's good for building women all across the board So it's something that a lot of people can engage your whole life in and make an impact to make a difference So when you say guys can't make a living a lot of guys do this for a living and they love it And I think that's something that we all can agree on and it's great for everybody to be involved in and it's helping America not be the best in world just in wrestling, but you know It's some of our best leaders and for the communities how much do you love it? You know you've been on this for a long time man How much do you love and how passionate are you about the sport of wrestling the longer? I'm in it the longer I appreciate All of our wrestling leaders and our coaches and the kids my son's three years old now and I see you three-year-old Yeah, yeah, so holy smoke. I get him going and just you know for the future him Just seeing the future of the sport evolve and and so you know This is what I want him in to grow as a man and in what time Ryan was talking about you know your achievements Not your identity that can be chasing fool's gold. I always like to talk about hey, man, wrestling is the gas It's the passion. It's not you you're the car and it's not your death And you got to find out what success is how you're going to measure it So, you know Tom talks about measuring yourself, you know How Christ your identity in Christ? And I think a lot of our wrestlers and can get behind that you see Kyle Snyder and a great wrestlers They're not afraid to go compete and worry about what everybody else thinks. They're gonna go out there and give it their best And give it the glory to God. And so I really believe that Yeah, how do you lose passion for that? I mean as long as you're breathing and thinking God that you're alive You can stay passionate about the great sport of wrestling that's in the Bible as a man's oldest and greatest sport So how can you not get fired up about it? What's your favorite thing about the convention work with other coaches? just the constant the camaraderie the fellowship and Just the relationships obviously and no one that these guys are making a difference in this world these are the leaders in the community and They're trying to do what I do. So I respect I respect that man. I love these guys I've seen we get on a mat we sharpen each other, but yeah So it's like a family union. All right We got more kids. They're doing some scrapping kids are gonna start talking to coaches You got anything else for me? I'll let you get back in there. You got anything else for me? Just thanks for hosting this and the energy you bring and you know Time Ryan in there made people want to wrestle and that's what we want We want people that we just want to get people excited about wrestling and growing this sport. Hey, thanks for the time Good luck for you. Hopefully you guys snacks and recruits. Yeah, thanks