 Yeah Back inside Yeah, my neighbors were looking me fucking weird. I bet they thought I was just taking a selfie with Mr. Murray here. They're like, oh dang. He's gonna lock it up with Murray See if we can get this It's pretty dark in here. There we go Anyway, let's get to some real questions Something worthwhile something worth putting out there Double double there we go. All right hit me with some questions fellas. Oh, here we go. Here we go Here's JJ, New York, it's bringing me still says connecting hasn't connected yet. Hey JJ Hey, what's up? Oh Your phone has a lag with the audio Try again. Let me see if I can move into a better spot. You're a little better Yeah, what's up, brother Yeah, get by an internet connection always works the best What's going on not much is dealing with the normal shit, you know how it goes so Yeah, there's a couple things I wanted to talk to you about Let's do it one being One being the diesel diesel the diesel is super scum can't came D to my knowledge Right you you stated it was super skunk I think it could be a super skunk s1 We don't know because there's no came D coming out of the progeny at all in any of the s1 or a super That came out of a chem D mother though the chem D Flower, I was told I was told by Greg that it came out of the super skunk flower that the chem D heard I thought I was told the opposite, but maybe either one of us either one of us could be robbed Greg didn't keep good notes as we know Right, right nuts from those guys, you know him and the weasel both you could ask The same question twice and get two different answers That's a fact, dude right but um, but Have you grown the mass super skunk? No, I have never grown mass super skunk never never had it Okay because you know with the speculation that the mass super skunk is with Sour diesel and I kind of have a couple discrepancies about that Because the mass super skunk if you ever grown it it grows kind of medium height And it's it's a single cola with a very thick stem I mean, so like the the theory that it would be part of the chem dog With the chem dog making a sour diesel The growth on the growth structure is just is way off You know I'm saying But if you ever if you've grown Kevin 91 next to sour diesel Like this the the growth that this achieve a growth on the sour diesel is just You've grown it. I don't have to yeah. Yeah, it's nice. I'm 91 sure Right, so so if the theory of the super skunk went into it Then where does all that to achieve a growth comes from there? I mean, unless it's a recessive trait, but I kind of disagree with that because I've I've grown the the dnl that that I think that Is part of the sour diesel and it grows Exactly the same just that really stretchy sativa. You have to top it off and just branch it out and everything So that that's just my my yeah, I I agree with me your d dnl and I saw a lot of sour traits in it as well I would agree with that and I thought and I was going to ask you that because I thought a while back that you had Grown some of those dnl crosses and I wanted to get your I thought it was dang, dude I love that. Yeah Yeah, I still sitting on some beans. I I haven't brought them out in a long time, but I got so many different things. I've been working on that I don't know. I got to try to get into it soon, especially with all this with all this skunk Controversies that that's going on And that's being a controversy is over This whole thing with Fucking giraffe neck Yeah, I mean, you know, if I was skunked via I would have just ripped his head off right there on the spot Yeah, that dude is just like a mellow dude and he's the kind of dude that once he snaps Like I mean, he's got he's got his arms are the size of my thighs And like Popeye, he's like a wrestler. He's like I shoot. I mean like I couldn't believe what joint a joint pretzel to suck His dick or something online Yeah, but there was he went up to his booth and they had some kind of Conversation and then he came outside and I was in a circle with The swamp boys And and uh, Bronson was there and he just like fucking lost his mind You know, I mean, I thought I was gonna have to fight him that first But then I but then I became like a therapist You know, I mean, I kind of had like a a shred of sympathy for the guy. He was saying he went jail and Everyone hates him and how he wants to be accepted and and all this other bullshit You were the voice of reason. Usually you're swinging on people Stop fronting. I was like, you know, you're He's he's handing that You know a jar of skunk around and I'm like, yo, you think that's real roadkill. I told him I give him You know, it's some kind of skunk one or something like that Like but when you smell it, I mean it kind of has that smell to it but the bud structure itself is like very kind of Leafy and sativa like and then when you smoke it just it tastes like straight up pay And I'm not saying that to be a hater No, no, I'm giving you my And I told them I was like, hey, listen, if you had something that great, I would congratulate. Yeah, for sure You just think in that everyone's saying shit to be a hater I'm giving you my honest opinion and everyone I talked to that was in that expo that saw that stuff was just like Yeah, I mean he brought it to emerald cup too and it was uh And the people that touched the end underside of the jar got some orange shit on their fingers that smelled like real skunk No, I didn't he didn't have any of that going on but Poor fella He's charting in dangerous territories fucking around with juke and skunk. Yeah, I wouldn't tangle it either one of those dudes, man So, you know, we'll see what happens at the next year. Yeah, right? Let it boil over a little bit But you know, but you know and there and then there's all these other guys that You know say they have the the road chill and and I had the original super skunk back in like 1995 And let me tell you when you just crack that joy just permeated You know and then I had gotten to cut years later. It was just it just wasn't the same It didn't give out those same kind of terms or whatever. I don't know if it's a different cut or the You know, you know cuts just dug out after they do. Yeah And and it's starting to happen with the sour diesel because everyone asked me Oh, where's that? Oh, there was that sour diesel at you know with that old-time sour diesel and You got to figure it that's like 25 years. That's how how long that that cut is now. So And it just been given, you know from person to person from room to room and I think, you know Cuts adapt to the room that they're in. So, you know Your sour diesel is going to come out different than my sour diesel now If you start giving out cuts and I start giving out cuts, you know After a while, I think it could be, you know, some type of genetic drift that, you know, might happen Not anything drastically, but you know, there's this seems to be these These small, subtle things that seem to be missing from the from the sour nowadays Sure. Yeah, I mean acclimates from room to room to room and that thing's so fucking old. Yeah Right, but I've had we had, you know The original underdog which was super skunk and now times of 91 It just went bad on us. I mean, we had the cut and then after a while it just It only showed glimmers of itself, you know, when it was really really good and it was start, you know, the The hardest went down and it was harder to clone and everything and then after a while My phone was like he gave to me. I did a little bit of work with it and my phone was like, listen, I'm just going to let it go No, you just let it go, you know, and that was it But I heard and I remembered is buying from buying weed. There's this stuff called the wheelchair or the The wheelchair and back in the day That's just, you know, was And then the same thing after a while you just could not get the same batches Just from buying it after a while and the same people were growing it and everything, but what's the wheelchair? I'm not sure. It was just some type of local Strain that was sold to new york sylvanas, you know, back in the times You know back then we didn't really have you know Names weren't really You know the thing that they are now so Yeah, I have no idea what it was So let's talk about i-95 Yeah, I think I've seen some or I think I've seen some stuff referenced like as the wheelchair or the crippler or something like that and I'm gonna have to really find out a you know where that really came from But I think that you know those stuff that stuff came from the amsterdam back back in the day. I sure did. Yeah Let's talk about i-95. That's that's this Yeah, and that was the other one that I wanted to talk about the history of it all of it You know, um, that's a money mike strain and originally he bred that back in like 2014 we brought it to the Denver cup the last denver cup was 2014 And we and we brought that it was um It was a legend star dog male times The triangle crush. Yeah So he bred that we brought that out And we were friends with terror rojo And we went over to mine full and he gave us a tour And you know and so we gave him some seeds. I gave him some star dog seeds. You got some i-95 seeds and You know, we you know, we're just trying you know to help the guy out be nice not right not knowing well You know going further back He had invited us to Share his booth in one of the first few denver cups. It might have been 2011 You know me and so, um, you know, we you know, I always you know Respected fill and you know, I thanked him for you know helping us and everything and so He's you know to play with and stuff and um so, you know, he grew those seeds out and then See this is where it starts getting kind of fudgy because He don't know when I confronted him, you know, he says, you know that He had started the seeds And left mine full or I'm not really sure but We gave the seeds to fill you know, I mean and then before we know it One of his workers, uh, matt ross Um started a seed company basically With the seeds that we gave fill. Yeah Now fill fill claims that he He stole them from mine full took them out and started playing with him at his house and all but um, you know, we held us fill responsible for that And he claims that but you know, he Like he hired the same guy to run some kind of you know, get some kind of job in chicago Yeah, I mean so to me, I think that You know, he kind of set him up to kind of be the bad guy and where I'll fill spread those genetics all through his his um This you know, his dealings with a yeah And so he's got the a grits thing and he does, you know other smaller stuff on on the side Yeah, I mean like I know, you know, he got some stuff in baltimore, naryland and At pennsylvania and I don't know if those are eight which Related or not, but I do know they're running the i-95 chem d. Yeah, that's the dose I've made and um And then you know, so You know, they they did that and then we had uh elite the elite guys, which those guys are friends of ours Yeah, they're good friends of mine too And you know, they you know, they took a pack of i-95 and You know, they did the same thing I mean they bought them I mean, but then you know, they saw what uh What these guys did with it and they and they started doing the same crosses that they but they didn't sell it They didn't sell them, but they were giving them away. Yeah, but just even doing you giving them away You're trying to like make a name for yourself I mean in the way that I look at it is if you know, if you buy if you're given a pack of i-95 chem d You think you're ever ever gonna buy one from me? You know, I mean the chances Did you guys ever release the i-95 chem d or the i-95 publicly? Oh, yeah, i'm selling them now. I didn't know that because Yeah, so i'm selling them now. So everybody go grab your i-95 chem d From jj top dog seeds right here Well, basically I took um You know, I took f2s from them guys and then I I mean not if well, will they give me f1s and I made f2s with them, but then I started um Crossing into some of the different other strains and then money mic also, uh, did a remake of his Uh i-95 into the chem d and made the chem Chem the d 95s. So as money mics take on it And my trick was on is just an f2 on it. So I took your yeah, and then I took their original that chem deli Chem that the the chem d The chem d meaning You know, it was the one that that I f2 that that I had gotten but I had they had I mean And I went over there with with those and went after Phil left and I And Matt and his brother Jax and both Gave me seeds gave me buds. Tell me told me how much they love me You know The whole thing and then and then he went around and did that I mean and then wave gem Did the same exact thing They came up to our booth in in boston and told us how much they loved us and blah blah blah And money mic wanted to punch the guy out because he was playing around With with you know, he was he was getting into dangerous Territory at that time and I told him, you know, you better just back off and you know, I mean you're getting a little bit too close Yeah, I mean and then he got all stupid and did the same thing And so everyone tells you they love you how much they respect you this and that Come and kiss your ass They get your gear and they want to be like you and they just go and just You know just try to copy all the work that you've done. Yeah So, you know, it just needs to be a You know, common trait, you know, I mean and you know, I'm not instagram now. Yeah, it's a different world At least on the forums like people would get called out all the time by a lot of people, you know what I mean Yeah, but you know now, you know, it's just as easy to you know, you just block someone no one really, you know has the you know, respect The decency anymore, you know back in the day was a lot different It was a lot different than now. I've never heard of that wave gen. Is that a new company? Uh, just some some guys, I think there were some kid that was at a road island road island and he's up there in Maine now All right Yeah, wave wave gem or gem Wave gem genetics or I know he's changed his name a few times. He's gotten deleted You know, and then you got green point another one. You know, I mean Man, he he took the i-95. He took the star dog. You did the same thing This guy right here Yeah, wave wave genetics. All right, you know, someone put it up wave genetics. That's that's the guy So hey, I got a question for you A lot of people don't know what dnl is in the first place. Can you go over it for people? Well, as far as I know the dnl originally originated was the rfk skunk which the The weasel mic and gabby went down to a a dead show at rfk and scored a bag of a kind bud And found I don't know like eight or ten seeds or whatever so They both agreed to split the seeds and when they did it they actually put all the seeds out on the table And they each one by one. I picked this one. I picked that one. I picked this one I picked that one and When the weasel And He wound up Getting I don't know like three different phenos And and that's when I first met him in central park. He was sound skunk one skunk two skunk three That's what he called them and then um a friend of his Wound up getting like some type of um some nl seeds and some Hawaiian seeds And I think that He wound up having no seeds and he gave him one of some of those rfk clones And so he made his own strain combining the three And he just called it the nl, but You know, it might have had some l nl in it, but it was mostly sativa dominant in in structure And you know and the the Hawaiian it kind of had these tropical like Tropical stunky tones a little bit. You know, I mean kind kind of you get you get little bits You know, you can taste in the sour sometimes, you know, I mean So, you know, so that was a strain that he grew exclusively And I think that he gave it back to the weasel to grow and That's what what I suspect was in the room when you know those Seeds were made originally or weren't made but were found originally, you know, I mean in the 91 because I mean, I You know, I used to sell weed for the weasel. He grew it. I sold it But he had he had vando and there were a few other people that were that would weasel in and try to To buy to buy because it was it was like a race because I would you know, he would only get like a couple pounds so it was like You know, you just had to grab everything that he had at the time just cash him out and Now this way you had control of of all of that because You know back in the day people would just come in and just want to buy it all and And I would be like I can't sell it to you all because you know, I I like to spread it out and I would sell to other people that did me favors, you know, and so You know, they would go when I get something and you know, I'll hit you off You can make some money. Just do me a favor, you know, get me you save me, you know, this or that and so You could use it as like a bordering tool to you know, get other favors from people. Sure Wait, do you know if the rfk is still around or is that long gone? No, I've been long gone. Yeah, and then really recently they lost the dnl within the last like two years or so also I mean, that's why I was thinking about trying to You know fall back on some of those seeds I've made. Yeah, dude And see if I could pull anything out. That's like the original that would be real cool real cool Is really I wanted to try to reverse that into the 91 and see what would happen. Yeah, I mean because when I first started growing uh In like 99 you know, I You know, I had been selling weed for a long time and any time I had some anything that was super killing I found seeds. I would save them. I mean, yeah And then I and then at one time I had a you know, really bad ass collection from the 80s and and all that And the cops took it like a bus did back the pigs and The cops were on a tape and so I wound up starting a new one And then so I started that one when I started getting the chem dog, you know Every once in a while you might find a A seed or two in there. So I would save them. And so when I started um I popped a few of those seeds and really back then there was no really such thing as the sour But you know, but you know Looking back I I had Found some stuff that was very sour like very sourish, you know, I mean And I remember I had um, I had Something happened. I think that we were we were we had Closed down to grow or whatever and I had just popped these seeds and I sexed And I believe him and and I and I gave the clone to my friend and I was like, listen I was like I I said the only thing I know that this is like, you know, came from out of chem dog Into female and I gave it to him And he grew it out and that became The guava the guava but not the guava of today. I got you And he so he called that cut the guava, but it was kind of very sourish and all yeah And and he ran it and then eventually lost it, you know, I mean and then um years later Um, I wound up doing the star dog and I had gifted my friend some seeds To give to andre grossman, uh the photographer of high times. Okay and and he um He grew him out and he found a feno That was uh today's guava So what happened was um somehow while he well what happened was They like that cut so much And at the time they had uh high times they had their Kyle kushman straw berry cough And they actually had they had a plant they had a plant in the in the office And like anyone that that went into the office if they liked you enough They would cut you all cut you a couple clones right off the plant in the office And let you go home with So so eventually the same thing happened with the guava And uh both the guava and the strawberry cough became the the office strains so Years later like I was saying the same guy that named the guava tells me that he got the guava He got the guava back so um We eventually find out that it comes full circle back from the high times guys and so like um That was how you know that the guava Kind of got its name of today But it was originally some type of sour Something the original cup, but I remember it and It was very soured easily, but I don't think well. I didn't get to ever finish it out actually well One of them I did and then another one I didn't I mean I did get to finish one out but then I had popped another seed and that was the seed that I gave my friend But it came from the same batch though of seeds now. I had See was the start of guava similar in turps or anything to the other guava Not really. I mean the guava uh of today is more chem forish What am I thinking more like the chem for? Because Where whereas the other one was more More uh Kind of 91 ish. Yeah A little more fuel easier a little more fuel we sourish really the original one was Do you still have any of those old uh the purple afghan cross? I think you did a purple start off with it Um With the purple store dog with what I think it was British empires purple afghan Yeah, I did. I never really um, I never popped any of those seeds. I do. I'm sitting on them And I think I did some into the chem d all oh wow And I think I did some into the original haze too Those all could be real that afghan original haze could be fucking real interesting I I wound up from Flouring out some of that stuff and some of it was green and some of it was purple just by Yeah, you know And I wound up using a male and you know, I fucked up and never made f2s out of that, you know Um, but I do have that just just the crosses into the star dog and in the chem d Yeah, that would be fascinating to see pop back up Yeah, but uh the purple store dog that I uh that I made, you know, the purple came from the trade dog male And and the purple probably came from the afghan. Yeah, and that the afghan. It was a senty seed afghan Field afghan anyone Afghan one. Yeah, and I think you know looking back into that that wasn't really like a true Uh cultivar as in one string. I think it was a mix of their best afghanis or something like that and and even like looking back into The the the the maple leaf. I think even like the maple leaf really wasn't really Really like one stable string. I think there were were a variety of different phenos in there Because uh, if you if you look back into the the seed the seed bank catalog, they actually offer that Like a 50 pack or something like that and it's more of like a breeders You know, I mean they don't really you know, I mean But it sounded like, you know, there was you know, a lot of different different varieties in there But the one guy that they talk about, um maple leaf Uh, whoever they called one guy maple leaf. Yeah, yeah Of uh, you know the phenos that he was growing at the time So I guess all that was based off his stuff You know, I've always um found that a lot of the stuff that was listed as maple leaf Indica like that was used tend to look like afghani one So I don't know if they have a similar parentage that way back up I think you know because I look back and I think you know If you look into the catalogs on the afghani one, it says it's like a mix of their Three or four best afghanis or whatever you know, but when I grew it it kind of it grew um very fat stem single cola kind of short medium height and um It didn't really have a really Uh The turps on it weren't really super strong. It was kind of southern. Yeah And so that's why I figured it would be a good outcross to go and yeah Yeah, outcross into the chem D because it wouldn't be dominant, you know You kind of had like a kind of a medicine need a little medicine need Thing go into it, you know, it was it was decent. You know, I mean, uh, I smoked the flower But you know, it wasn't anything Uh that would compare to the chem dog But the structure, you know, the you know, definitely added, you know, because it gave you that really thick stem. Yeah You know and and all all the all the um the callix the broad ratio You know, there wasn't much leaf on that. So You were you know, you were one of the first guys I saw from not necessarily the modern era, but um Prior to the modern era that was actually using like the northern lights the Super skunks the afghani one shit like that and that always inspired me to go in that direction for those baselines. So I appreciate that Yeah, well, I was always a big sent cc fan back in the day. Yeah, I mean Their genetics are not the same Unfortunately were Yeah, but you know, but if you're looking back most of that stuff they got from that Yeah, I mean other stuff was seed bank stuff that You know, when meval was in jail and you know, they bailed him out and You know, they gave him money or whatever. So I'm pretty sure that that was the story behind that. Yeah Some of the best stuff there is as far as baselines go I think if people don't grow that stuff, they won't have an idea of A lot of the traits and modern stuff like they're they don't have a good base knowledge And And looking back like I know people, you know, they've talked to the drunkers and they Admitted that they've lost all their mother. Yeah In the day But you know someone like Adam dawn he was working, you know with them back in the 90s And so he you know knows firsthand a lot of that stuff that went on But you know, he uh, you know, he left after he left that's real, you know And then I don't know who else was doing a I don't know who else was doing a breathing Back in the 90s, I'm not sure But you know what because you used to be able to get those cellophane Chord packs. Yeah And then they upgraded to the box with the bubble. Yeah the box in the bubble All that stuff was junk And leading up leading up until today because My friend he had bought a pack of jack harrier like, you know, the year it won the cup or whatever and You know, he grew it out, you know, I was selling the weed and after a while They just kind of people got Sick of it, you know, I mean they started, you know, they told him to stop doing it He's like, oh, don't worry. I'll kill it. I still have the whole pack left You know years later. I said, hey, why don't you look for that pack? Well, I lost it. I mean so Then I was able to grab a pack of the boxes And I gave him a pack of the jack harrier and he grew it out and Just wasn't it wasn't the same I mean it was really it was junk And you know, I think really by then that's when a lot of people started outsourcing to A lot of that stuff comes back, you know, it's kind of like Jacky They got the jack turk to it, but it's you know, it grows very sativa like but it, you know, it's kind of wispy and my I don't know. I just call it like generic amps. Yeah And and like even like Adam says, you know, like the the jack itself is like, I don't know like a 12 way You know a 12 way cross or something. I mean just The four things that just cross back into each other and after a while just becomes like You know a genetic like Mess yeah where this comes is just very generic in In what it's producing it comes a muddled mess Right Well, it looks like we've got a minute left anything else you want to get in my man No, we got into pretty much everything. I'm surprised we're able to squeeze it in. I know dude. Well, hey, it's a pleasure having you on You're one of the best. Thank you very much, man I appreciate it. I'm glad we were able to go over these things and just you know, iron out some of the confusion that might have been out. Yeah, sure, man Appreciate it. Talk soon, brother. All right. Peace out