 Welcome to Toffy TV, it is the final words, Crystal Palace nil, Everton nil, this video is brought to you by One Football, One Football's app makes it easier to find all the latest news, start and scores in one place to download the One Football app, click the link in the description, we are joined by Dave, newly married Dave, congratulations Dave. I'm showing it to the whole Beyonce. She loves it. If you like it, put a ring on it and it did. Both did. So the both must like it. That's it. There you go. Let's move on. We digress. That's what we do. It's nil nil, we've got quite a long time to fill. If you like pet of the rings there, all of us are giving it the three, giving it the bit of Beyonce. There you go. Carry on. Thanks very much. Yeah, nil nil, Palace wasn't the most awe-inspiring game of football I've ever been to, but now. But the positives were we went down there and for the away game, we controlled it, we never looked faced, we were always the better team. They didn't do anything apart from something like the first minute or two minutes. And apart from that, it was a good performance, that's all I can say, but we just couldn't finish it off. Yeah, we were very, very good in terms of controlling the way the game went and creating opportunities, albeit not fantastic ones, but we did. And it was the way we passed the ball around, I was saying, to Dave off camera before it looked like. You've seen so many of the better clubs and the Premier League, the top clubs play when they go away from home. It was that kind of performance where they're always on the ball and they're looking to do something. We restrict the Palace to nothing, really. They're a funny team because when you think of Palace, you think good home record, but they've been shocking at home. I've been better away and you think with playing, we've been playing quite a high line, although not as high lately, which just means you've got more clean sheets, but you think, well, they play bats, right? But they played Bentech, which those have played into our hands and then they just played a very, very deep, as deep as you could possibly get without being behind the keeper, which obviously restricted us, didn't it? We said this on the preview last week. I'd seen a few Crystal Palace fans tweeting and stuff about Hodgson and not let. Just like, you know, I suppose there's similar criticisms that we had at Allardykes last season, but we're safe now. So why aren't you just letting the team off the leash? You just have a go. They've got the likes of Sahar, they've got the likes of Bassish White, they've got Bentech. Maia. You know, yeah, Max Maia, who was a really good player then, Jane, who just doesn't quite find his feet this season. The full backs probably could get forward if he really wanted to. They've got that kind of pace. And yet on Saturday, they were so deep. And they sent her forward, positions were so deep. And you're right, we played on the halfway line and not once did they go right. We're just going to test one over the top and see if we can get Sahar in them. Very, very strange way of playing football when ultimately you've got nothing to play for. Do you think they were worried about us on the counter attack? Because of what we've done recently. So they like to unite them, what we did to Arsenal and West Ham, where they give us room to get in behind and destroy them. So do you think the game plan was sit as deep as we can and try not to lose this game? I don't know where the sort of court in between, right? We've got a bad home record, but we're safe. What do we do? And I think that has been the criticism for them. The only one thought too much about them on the Hodgson, but it's like, are we stick or bust? Ultimately, my oddest job is not to lose games. I think more than not to win games. I know that's a weird way to look at it, but it is, isn't it? It's not to lose games. But don't get me wrong, these tactics were pretty much spot on in terms of how to stop us from playing the way we want to play. And so you can only say, well, fair enough, you know, you did what you need to do. Maybe they thought a couple of set pieces, you know, their penalty record is like, what are you on now, 48 penalties? Penalties, like it seems every single weekend, you know, the fella who's got a weird name. Milhoedd. That's him, yes. He's got a weird name. He's got a tremendous record. They probably bank on and listen to how the number one winner of penalties he must be on 8th because he's always on his own. No, shallers on it, shallers outdived in the shade to win. So, from that point of view at all, they had their tactics spot on and they've got, when you look a palace, for me. No, they haven't. Don't say what you've been about to say. No, they haven't got good players. They've got three good players. Come on, Dave, come on. They're attacking players. But I would say a better than Llyr Bolmouth. I would. People go on about it. I would, mate, honestly. People go on about it. Callum Wilson's got a good goal. The abuse of Barocas. Mate, you're telling me that Draha Batswai bentecher Max Maia aren't as good as the likes of Bolmouth in the final third. I think what lets them down is the fact that, like you said before, the playing on the least, they won four home games out of 18. That's knackered them. They've got the sixth of their fifth best away record in the Premier League. Cus Hodgshin's more of a pragmatic coach. Where's Howell Gellar? How's Expansive? I think about the awad. Then, as he's attacking players, the owners will be on. And Van Arnault and Van Besachar. They would have five men flying forward. What's the point difference between the two of them? It can't be. It's not that one. And that's the irony, isn't it? Is that one's ultra-defensive, one's ultra-attacking, and they've got very similar points. And they're probably a place between them. And that's where quality almost levels itself out in the Premier League. Cus they've got players that are big on the palace. They're always a big side. You look at them and go, it's going to be a physical game. Cus they all seem to be massive in that side, don't they? All of them. And so you look at them and go, well, you know, I was looking at Shatney and think, well, we've got to play round them. But there was very little space to play round them. When there's no room in behind, we couldn't get the in and Van Ard link it up as well as we have. I just haven't got enough clever players, have we? Really, just to unlock that. You know, that's something a bit different. Do you think we missed God? I mean, I thought Sniadlan had a very good game, Shatney, for what he did. But do you think if we would have had hands like Gomez, usually a little bit more forward thinking that might have helped the next set? Potentially, but I just think, I think our problem, and this is not just this season, but for the last 10, 15, 20 years, is we've had a Gomez, or we've had an Artheta, Pina, but then we've had no one to come off the bench to do that as well, to carry it on. You know, when it wasn't quite happening for Barney, he was getting no change out of Wambasacka. Recharlasyn clearly wasn't fit. Luckman, you know, sort of, jogged on and looked half bothered. You know, it's beyond the first 13 players. That's going to be the jump. That's why it's coming onto the summer now. This, where we are now, replicates Cumans first season, that started when we beat City and went on for that second half season, where we just cleaned up, beat a lot of teams, and then we just messed the summer up. This summer we've got to get them two players for position, haven't we? I mean, we had a chance right at the very start. I mean, we were both over the top and I think it was Kelly swung a leg at it, missed it and all of a sudden, donzing on going, you must have thought from where you're standing, this one, this. Cos it looked like it was in the box and I thought, just like you've scored. You never had it under control. His face touch almost took it away from him and then he's coming back and he never had it under control and he ends up getting, having to almost get a shot off quickly and it was weak. Where his that face touch almost, not a little under the stud to get it in front of you and then you just pick your spot cos you've got a couple of yards and he just doesn't have that composure. I suppose it's what we've been speaking about in the last few weeks. He's great at home. He's great at bringing other players into the game but he's not that player. He's yet that you'll go if you'll ever want to the ball to fall to anybody. And that's the problem and listen, we're not... I don't think anyone's hiding that fact. It's just that it is what it is and I think when people say we need to buy a centre forward it's the most important position. It's for games like this, it's games like full. It's when you might only get one or two chances and the irony is we only seem to get one or two chances against teams like Fulham and Palace and whoever else rather than when it's an open, expansive game but you need someone to finish it off and it's funny cos a couple of years ago when we were coming to the end of that first season under Cooman, it was, well we had Ron and nothing else worked and now almost it feels like at the moment everything else has started to click into place and if we had a Ron someone who you just could rely on then we'd be flying wouldn't we? We really would, we wouldn't you look at it seems like less than you look at Vardy and you think 18 Premier League goals he's got this season you know, if we had someone like that and I know we've got players who are in double figures but just someone that you can bank on to score or just someone that he's got that many he's got he's caught up then cos he had first after season, he had about five under Rodgers he's really kicked on Rodgers has just put the arm around and done the whole best let's have a press-up competition you can do a better picture a bigger picture it was Bench press wasn't it? but it's even things like a self-portrait and if you're looking for anyone, there's people we know we could probably do a good self-portrait there is, absolutely but I think with someone like Vardy and I've seen a goal he scored yesterday it's that idea of like, you know it's the third one you square that where last week woke up to like, I'm not squaring to Dom now that's probably because he just wants to go on himself but it's that idea of someone like Vardy you trust him, five yards out he's going to score, Vardy's going to score you know, both of his goals were good If he'd have had that chance Dom had 1-0 isn't he? Oh it's 1-0 early on, on Saturday he's done it against us just one chance it was in the net and it's over and what that would have done to the game was he had to come out and then we would have been able to pick them off but because we've and listen, Domin again I've said before to Dave that the improvements in his games being unbelievable in the last few months, he's sent us being ridiculous he's gone from being someone who I was like, I'm not sure I'm not sure to being I tell you what, he's a player now it's just that probably what will be the difference with Domin a Calvert-Lewin is that that goals because everything else I think everything else is excellent To me it's like it's like saying Garnett and going, well look how well Garnett has been playing in the last three months and then saying well what I want Garnett to do now is to start spraying the ball like 30 I cross field passes it's almost that level that you've got to go up at scoring goals is ridiculously hard at the highest level that's why he's sent us forwards are so expensive and for me that's what I feel like I feel like he's all round game but no one says to Garnett you've been brilliant with Domin you do with Domin some people go shell Garnett because he can do that those people are fucking idiots simple as that you look at Domin, that's the thing he's got he's gained going up to that level but to get to that next level you can't can you you take the two freaks out Messi Ronaldo can you name me who's got 20 league goals in the last five years consistently Aguero Aguero, Lewandalski you're struggling after that aren't you shallow probably Bill because he looks like you no we only last two years didn't do it for Roma he got 20 and 50 didn't he but I suppose from different areas but I know what you're saying it is hard to but actually Vadi's actually a good barometer because if you look at Vadi's first year in the Premier League he wasn't very consistent he scored penalties and when they won the league it all just clicked into place and that confidence of knowing almost like knowing you can score goals he also had ochas rach i he had ochas rach i and he had a shower as well so we had other options so we almost that's a racist game because they were a good partnership the other two and it was like well I've got to play I want to play and he's been the character Vadi is it's not Truncelon's day so the character he is and work and work and work because that's what's in him and that's what Dom has to do what I would say as well Lois about Vadi we just compared in the two places Vadi gets probably 3 or 4 maybe 5 more chances a game Dom doesn't get hardly any chances I think this is our problem he got none last week and we went 4-0 and he's our centre fo and he didn't get one chance really in the whole game but he can help that as well of course he can but at the moment his role isn't even to score goals but when the opportunities arise like for him on Saturday he's got to be ready and he's just not quite there yet so this is what I'm saying about our chance creation oh yeah it's not there is it how many times do we create one on ones that you see Cain and Vadi get every week we don't do we it's very hard for us to score goals we almost try and walk it in who do we put that down to Dave because we haven't I think we're averaging 18 a temporary goal again or something like that over the last whatever so quite clearly we're having a lot more shots than we have done in the past so we're expansive in that way we can see that we have 23 a temporary goal against United 23 against Arsenal you know 8-19 against Chelsea whatever but the chances you're talking about is it Sigarton is it Dom not making the right role is it a wide play it's a combination isn't it like we've mixed it up with the throw-ins it's a good effect in recent games but the open play we're just a time if you don't move a quick enough I think so that is down to Sigarton that is down to one of the wide players having an off day picking the wrong pass not having them options I still don't think the movement is good enough and then there's them options off the bench to come in and mix it up you know watching Saturday it didn't feel as fluent as when we play at home it felt a lot more mechanical like a lot more like you could see the patterns of play from the training field and it is that thing of but isn't that good no no what I was going to say is it takes time doesn't it for that to become not a a mechanical thing but a natural thing to look at you look at City the best of the best and you watch the way they play and that's all training ground routines isn't it it's all training ground because otherwise Pep wouldn't be the coach he is you know the very best coach but you can play like that and I haven't played like that for years but it's at that tempo you're talking about but it's just slow and everyone can get behind but City do it so fast that it almost looks off the cuff but it's not, it's worked on day and night by coaches doing you know routines and not only that but you've seen that in the Man City documentary all the classroom stuff and it's when it transitions from being looking mechanical to seeing almost seeing that all the moving parts it being fluid and that's going to take a while but it's also going to take you know hand on hand it's going to take better players as well I think you know going back to what you said before I think Gomez was a miss in this game I think we could have coped without someone like Snyden and had someone who could go both ways on Saturday and that is, that's the squad again Dave that's the squad and being able to say well in this game when we went to Cardiff on that night we were like well it's Snyden that's playing alright that's fine we've got a little bit of protection and everyone else can almost go forward then same with last week but I think on Saturday that was a game where you looked at it and people can say well Gomez has only scored one goal and he hasn't got many assists but if he moves the ball faster if he sees things faster then we get him round the back faster exactly and it takes pressure off it's in as well and we just move the ball a little bit faster and have better angles and I think we just need a few more of those plays and I thought the start on 11 was really telling on Saturday you know we were going down there on the coach and people were saying well Wolcott hasn't travelled and Rich Arlton's got this injury and it ends up being the same 11 and you watch Rich Arlton at the whole game he's practically playing with his hand on his why is he playing now? because the manager clearly doesn't trust other people he must have said though I'm fit no but you could see what I'm fit you've got to take the decision out of the players' hands because players are going to be coming in on crutches saying they're fit just dose me up you've got to take it out of their hands and it is like saying it's a trust issue the manager hasn't got them 20-25 players who he completely believes in so in that case then because I don't think you've been on for a while until there was getting a little bit of a kick in between I know on Twitter that you've been supportive of many ways but as he's done people will disagree with me here but that's fine as he's done almost better than what possibly could have been expected given we've literally had six new players into the squad so he's come in what I mean is you've took over everything you walk into a dressing room and go there's not many players who can do what I need us to do and he's almost got us now to the fact that we're talking about a game where we've gone away we've dominated the game we've passed it around it wasn't as fluent but we're seeing fluidity at home when you sit down and you see the others you know that we're going to probably dominate the game we're going to create chances because we moved the ball quickly but trying that away from our West Ham was the best we've played because we moved it quick and they couldn't live with us Saturday was similar to West Ham it was just a little bit more open than them it caused us more problems but as he's done really well given that he's probably only got 13 players like you said before do you think he's done I think he has because I think who's playing well now or has played well since the 10 of the year so Bernie's being the star haven't played a game since March was carrying an injury no pre-season Gomez no pre-season with Charleston half a pre-season so in now meanest being in and out struggle Zuma may have played in America with Chelsea it was a last man thing Pickford had a week a week off after a well cut so no centre forward and we haven't had this so suppose without going overboard on Silver because we shouldn't I think he's done well this season I think but I think what you said before the summer is the big factor isn't it because we do have to there's a couple of key areas and Saturday highlighted it better than I think this season I've said this a couple of times was always going to be a free hit because last season was such a mess and a write off in the heart and we've got to unpick that because the wage bill is so inflated and we've got players that we don't want players are unhappy you know and stuff we just a lot of non-burners if you like so it was what can you do and brands and Silver did the job what they needed to do then it was down to all that coaching and like he said in an interview was that it was with the Guardian but I was they've had to learn a whole different way of playing on me because no one's own on marks you go down to any pitch this weekend no one will be zone of marking it's something you have to learn and look at where we are now so it's just and that strike a why there's been tangible improvements anyway the way we play I think back 12 months you were going to Godderson like that the game of the weekend we were like just get this season done really get it done because I can't terrible we've had 22 attempts at goal last year we've had an 8 7 you might win a game 1-0 haven't we got the second highest possession warning opposition off we did have in December we were number 1 so there are there about certainly in the top 3 or 4 teams in the league 4th best clean sheet in the Premier League so there's been real progress given he's had one transfer window we threw January away because the manager doesn't really like it the manager's always one place always the director of football doesn't say it unless it's an essential which is fine, no issue with that but I thought it was really interesting Silver doing an interview and saying he expects Michelle he's basically told him he's going to put his hand in his pocket again this summer and there's no problem with it I thought that was quite interesting that he's come out already and said it he's not going to be in a sheet but being worried about the esk I think he was worried about the esk the esk was not happy with it but in this game I'm just going to say brands has been working all year to make sure we get people in in the summer that's his job if he was no money then his job would be pointless we're not coming into that we're not waiting for the season stop picking up the phone and see what we can get you would think that four are done and at least two or three are there or there about between 70 and 90% what you want is you want hopefully is almost like when they do it where it's just like the night before you get the 10 at half 10 the half 10 twist the half 10 treat from Paul Joyce but Bernie was like that one but that's what they like isn't it they hope to tie up a deal with someone and you go whoa where did that come from and the amount of time they've seen that or the other way is where they want somebody and it almost goes on for a while but there's like never ever any doubt that the patience is coming and remember when they were trying to get like Alex in the season and Salady before it was like all season there was no panic it was just in the summer it was like no he's coming we're just having to everything's tied up and it might be a case of a couple of little things here and there but that's what we'll do these are the games aren't the way we need that extra little bit of class like you were saying before it's fine when teams come to you during the top six and they're open and they want to play almost then it's like it's almost like a fair fight in a way that'll sound silly but both teams want to play football it's just who's better on the day in the last few weeks at home we've been better on the day when teams don't want to play football it's finding a way to beat them and to be fair on Saturday I thought we'd found a way to beat them because Coleman was getting in all the time they just realised Wamba Sacher was giving nothing up he was fantastic he really was he didn't do anything amazing he's just one of those kids who knows exactly when to intercept the ball I thought he was brilliant and he really did stop on Dean and he was that deep anyway but on the other side we had that sorted Coleman was in every single time but he was so wasteful but not only was he wasteful but we should have almost had players in different zones in the box and a bit of movement would have undone them and it wasn't enough it was too static Coleman would get in the box he'd look up knocked one out and he put one over the top but it was where was the variation where was someone basing a gut maybe that's where Gomez would have been off a little bit more that's Nidlans 20 yards back there and he was that extra player maybe just to catch one on the edge of the box or Sigarton someone doing a decoy run so Sigarton could do that little run that he likes doing to get on to it there just wasn't enough variation for me when it's going well that variation's there when Theo runs through he can either square it he was never going to square it but the options there when it's a grind it's almost like there's got to be a hand come out of the sky and there's got to be the beauty of people we are that static we see it from throw-ins especially we just bug big bug bit of mine now it's like a small thing but it's them a little bit of differences they're all of a sudden two passes and you're in we've seen it the other week a different scale but De Bruyna one pass that little bit of quality by the just that move but you're absolutely right though to look at those fine details some people will agree some people will be like well what about it but the fine details, the fine games and the best teams are great people got a throwing coach because they were giving the ball and now we were laughing but apparently they're starting now for keeping the ball off throwing is like 85% where it was 20 or something at the start of the season we've done a bit of long throw all of a sudden that's become a weapon now no one knew anything about it until four weeks ago then all of a sudden it's like I don't know well yeah, well there you go but I think there was one on Saturday before half-time in Retiala's and got in and Dom he checks his run instead of just gambling and if he runs and he just makes the run I've shown Dave he runs stop because I've run the three times so have a look at it and by the time Retiala's is put it in Retiala's is fuming with him because if he carried on his run he's got a little head and it's 1-0 and it's little things like that that Dom's just got to go I'm gambling it don't care if he runs offside and heads it in you go alright that's a margin that's a fine margin you've been do that run again because if you keep doing that one time you'll get it perfect and we're winning that's what Harry King does he runs in and puts it in if he's offside or a guard off the offside he'll do it again and he'll do it again and it's like you say Rachim Staling will run he'll run he might be offside five times on the game but on the sixth one he's in and he scores and it's that little thing that we don't do it's almost like it's like when it's nil we defend like the greatest team in your but we let it go in it seems like our heads go a little bit and we're a bit shaky that's what happened to Fulham we let one in we should have gone like settle this down because these aren't great we didn't Jack Elker starts making runs and leaving gaps and then it's 2-0 but going back to what you just said there though if the quality of the crosses isn't coming in like in the second half if Seamus Coleman puts five crosses in all to the same place at least then don't lose if he keeps making that run but Seamus's crossing was like one goes out one goes over one it was like every single one there's no consistency like you just said there Kevin De Bruin if Kevin De Bruin you know every time imagine Staling every time Staling must just go if I go here he'll find me eventually Kevin De Bruin's got that much quality and that's what we lack as a football team that quality so that one person goes well I'll gamble because eventually he will get me the ball and we just I think that again that's just something we lack because Seamus is just things to wear Gary Neville points it out every week about the two inside forwards for City, Staling making them runs and just tapping it in and it's like if Coleman knows to put that just hit you know going football managing hit low crosses it is that because someone's going to be there but because it's so varied well does Dom know to check does he know to gamble I've always him though I'd go into that zone all the time because you are going to get a chance checking the amount of time we put the face of that goal he's got a tapping whereas if you keep checking back to the penalty spot they're having to dink it back and then what you're going to do is stand in there if he runs in behind it he's more likely to get a tapping or a stupid header and he'll score goals that way but again that's training but he might do that should be where Guilfee is Dom should go one and Guilfee should be at the penalty spot likely seeing a Cardiff Dom makes a run and Guilfee just drops off and as he comes back he strokes to them a win a wonder or even Dom runs front because he never seems to be in there and he should be there as well but that should be that's the city thing isn't it every time there's always someone at the back post he's there and scored nearly 20 on goals this season not finishing he's just laying Dom could take a lot from that you're right it's time out of a 0-0 we did well let us know your thoughts in the comments on this game are you happy that we're getting more consistency and we're playing better let us know or are you disappointed that we never won it anything that we've mentioned big thanks for Dave for coming in he's on his honeymoon this is my honeymoon Everton my first cut this bit off this might need to stunt patron we'll never go home don't put this anywhere it's a missus can see it the mallie now she will come to us like whatever do you have it? we'll see you later