 to record it right Martin. Okay, cool. Thanks Martin everyone's well thanks for coming to this session. So I'm here to talk about GOGM which is the Global OER Graduate Network and we're going to sort of talk about different ways that we've used open practice within the network itself really. So all four of us are going to be talking today and there should be some room for some interactive elements but just not in my part because I'm going to stick in the mud. So I'm going to just give an overview of GOGM to kind of bring you up to speed so I don't know about it and particularly what we've been doing this year during the pandemic. Then Paco is going to talk about the fellowship scheme which we launched this year and then Beck's going to look at some open practice and sort of more interactive element and lastly Rob's going to talk about some research outputs particularly the he talked about the research methodology handbook that we produced yesterday they're building on that and what we're doing next as well. So, introduction to GOGM let's me. So that's our website there go to gogm.net. The aim of the Global OER Graduate Network is to support doctoral research in open education across the globe and it was set up and it's funded by the Hewlett Foundation and it was set up by Fred Mulder from the AU Netherlands and then handed over to us at the OU UK and really the idea was that particularly when OER was a fairly new field it was the idea there wasn't kind of much research happening in it there's lots of kind of advocacy people saying isn't it a great thing and all these things will happen as a result of OER but not much research on how people were actually using it what the impacts were and Fred and the Hewlett Foundation really wanted to kind of try and grow that research community and they felt the best way to do that was to kind of try and fund this global network and I think it's been a sensible approach really because actually doctoral research our researchers are the kind of future and then there's what people then go into kind of shape how it goes along so I'll talk about a bit about what we what we do it's just going to give us the history I've just mentioned so the aims are to raise the profile of research in education to offer support for those conducting PhD research but also to try and develop openness as a process of research so that's kind of the key area for us so it's not just about you come in do your bit of research on OER or MOOCs with and then disappear but we're trying to get our researchers to operate in an open manner as well and to consider aspects of openness and we've got over 100 doctoral students who are members and alumni now and and also we have this group of experts who are people we call friends of the networks they're not doctoral students but the people who are interested in OER as well so what we usually do we have an annual seminar which is usually allied with the OER Global Conference so right now we should all be in Taiwan and we're bringing together about 15 students of year and we try to balance that between people at different stages of their PhD research people from different areas of the globe and things so we're trying to bring people together and they all present about their research it's a very kind of comfortable relaxed atmosphere they can present about the research and any issues they have any doubts they have and receive feedback from the other participants and also we run a few kind of sessions around becoming an open researcher and it's allied to the conference here so usually it's OER Global it was also we did it with OER 2019 in Galway I can't remember it seems so long ago and then a lot of the members can go on to present with the conference and we kind of give them access to the conference as well so it's kind of a really formative experience for lots of people and often the researchers who are doing this kind of research will be the only person in their university sometimes in their country who are actually interested in OER so this is a really good way to kind of meet other people with similar interests and often they kind of form lifelong bonds and kind of form groups subgroups around particular methodologies or conceptual frameworks these kind of things so the seminar I think is the kind of the crux what we do the kind of the main thing of course we run monthly webinars we've got a reactive Twitter account we send out newsletters with updates and we produce resources and share them we try to foster this very kind of supportive network and we run some awards which are coming up now as named after Fred Mould as one for best paper published by a member and best open practice and generally we try to encourage open practice and share resources so that's the kind of that's what we do so I mentioned the kind of the seminar which kind of forms the main feedback and we run as well as the kind of students present to each other we run these sessions on different things open practice we run practical ones where we had on how to get published we had someone speak from the world all we've got together some people who were just completed their PhDs and if you're given advice on how to survive a PhD and also how to get jobs things to do after after a PhD as well we try to mix in kind of practical advice as well so just some facts currently 113 members so we've had four face-to-face seminars that we've run there was one two run I think by Fred forward to go back the ones we've run have been at Crackoff, Cape Town, Delft and Galway and we also bring about 15 researchers to each we've had over 30 webinars we've run and just last year alone there are 44 publications from Goja members so you can see it's kind of demonstrating quite a kind of critical mass and that was good to see at OR 19 which the Galway one over the conference there are 31 presentations from Goja members so they were a real kind of real presence at that conference and then along comes 2020 so the plan was that we were going to come to Galway we were going to come to Taiwan and bring people there and have a nice time and everything and also we were planning to have a one-day smaller seminar associated with OR 20 in London but of course then the pandemic hit so we've been trying to change what we do slightly this year so we ran that OR 20 seminar online a one-day seminar one of the things we offer at the face-to-face meetings we say to people after the two days do you want to have an individual catch-up and discussion with the Goja team like Rob, Beck, Packo and I just to kind of talk through any issues they might want to raise publicly sometimes about you know worries they have or issues with supervisors kind of things but of course we couldn't do that so we offered individual catch-up sessions online the number you all took us up on we produced a research methods report which was produced by the members and Rob will talk about that and he did a great good session on it yesterday which has been really successful it's had over 6,000 downloads and we launched the fellowship scheme which Packo will talk about as well as the research methods report we did a research review report in the summer where we got together a number of OER research publications and got members to review them and produce those reviews into one document so that was kind of a really nice resource that we could share back with the community we got everyone who was a Goja member we signed up with ALT Association for Learning Technology in the UK they automatically get ALT membership as well we had a really fun session at the ALT Summer Summit which was their online conference in the summer which was called a GASTA session for anyone who's been stuck so run by Tom Farrelly this is kind of five-minute lightning talks and Tom gets everyone to count down to five and stuff it's really good fun so that was again kind of really good presence for the session now we've given our members if they want it a free reclaim hosting account for two years they can generate their own identity online I think that really ties in with the idea of open practice we've run a number of webinars we've got the only global award for the report the methodology report we've launched the FedMol rewards as people in their applications that come in I think that closes tomorrow is it and we've got the fellows to present about their work which was starting in October we've today we're running a seminar for new members we did three this morning we'll do three this afternoon which is where they can present about their work and at the end of the year we're going to do a kind of annual review stroke celebration we've produced a really nice pack I think we've given all this stuff away and doing all these different resources and all these different communication channels but often it was kind of the information that was distributed so we've produced a pack that we give to members so this is all the things we offer and we'll sponsor places people to attend the Hawks Summer Summit at this global conference so what we've been trying to do is replace some of that kind of face-to-face activity with online activity as well as things we have plans so the membership pack that I mentioned we set out sets out the benefits you know that I just mentioned such a mention of all something we can host in different communication channels and also the different resources so you can see there that's the link to the to the pack there people trying to get people to share so we'll just get in the chat so I think it was interesting kind of reflecting this year kind of we were although we did a lot of activity online that face-to-face seminar was a kind of key activity for us and often we'd see a spike in activity in terms of people applying to join the member and join the network number of tweets number of increased followers of Twitter and those kind of things and because other people will be talking about the you know the seminar and tweeting about it and those kind of things so we have to try and replace some of that activity I think I think one of the good things it wasn't difficult for us to know what to do in a way because we already had this very well-established community of care and so you know we're very much I think I'm sure I speak for the members and we have a WhatsApp group as well where they're always kind of sharing stuff and so they look after each other and we try to look after them as well so I think we kind of knew what to do it wasn't like I think some organizations have struggled to know what to do online when their role is to sell people things it's like if you're trying to sell services something what people need is just you know a virtual hub that's a kind of very different thing I think so we transferred some of the action online some activity I think and we also try to find some new activities to kind of replace that I think to kind of keep a kind of constant activity stream going we're also to try and support our members I think during what were difficult times for them both in conducting their research and just kind of in their work lives as well one of the things we've seen some of that activity such as producing those reports and sort of having a bit of a presentation around it in present activity has replaced some of that activity spike that we usually saw with the seminars we think this way of working is sustainable you know so it shows that it's not completely reliant on it being a face-to-face event I wonder whether it's more difficult we don't know the ship so we're we're running our survey at the moment so I'm getting feedback from members but one thing I suspect it may be more difficult for new members to kind of break into a group that's kind of sometimes well established I think that's easier to do when you meet people up you know in Cape Town or whatever and you'll go out for a meal or drinks together those kind of things then you sort of come into that group so sometimes it could be more difficult for new members so for instance the sessions we're running today we explicitly invited new members to give their presentations I think sometimes they might hold back and wait for the other more established people to do those presentations I think it takes more effort to you know although organising people to come to a conference is a lot of kind of administrative effort I think it requires a more kind of constant effort from us I think to kind of maintain the community when it all shifts online just in case you're wondering what all the penguin graphics about so this is the Gojian penguin it's a stress penguin that we give to our members so it should have it should say Gojian on his belly but you can see I've been quite stressed so I've worn it away and it just became part of a brand really when we were doing the the drawing and this so you can see a lot of the images and that are free and available for you to download that Brian Rathas has created so you can play with those good so that was my intro to it I'm going to hand over to Paco now so I shall stop sharing my screen Paco's up next thank you very much Martin I'm going to start now okay you should be able to see now the presentation I'm going to be talking about briefly about the fellow seeds which are war packets for new this new phase of Gojian with the the idea to support Gojian alumni and members in the last step for their PSD and that means as well after they have finished until a period of approximately three years so we can support that movement between finishing your your PSD and moving ahead to a post-doctoral career so the ideas we have already announced the first run of fellowships in this scheme it was an open contest during the summer and one of them was saved for the global South applicants so the fellows have started already Science October and it will run until March next year and the benefits include the financial support for them as well promotion through the Gojian website and the idea is that they can be based around a specific phase of relevant research that we're going to discuss now and as well get the support from from the network to organize and be able to promote the network and as well think about the the ways to support the research and the general framework for the scheme is that the the fellows should be able to undertake a piece of research in the area of open education and any kind of related research in the area and as well can be about particular focus on on regions and involves the identification of events and connections with other networks different than Gojian the idea as well to promote Gojian and the objective as well if possible to get new members and increase the network it's important the fact of following diversity equity and inclusion recommendations and guidelines from the network and well some of the outputs that we're expecting for the fellows are regular reports back to the network which are oriented to a low reflection and I think of the ways we can we can keep supporting their fellowships and we can have a vibrational communication to to help the research several inputs in the Gojian website in the way of blogs we already have the first round of blogs you can have a look to the website and and finally the production of a output review report at the end of the fellowship so you probably know where four fellows from this first round I think they're not going to go in depth in their research because they are around in the conference and can talk to them and we have the blogs and and information but I think it's interesting to realize that we got four fellows from four different continents so for women who are presenting different proposals Joe and Virginia have followed that approach of a proposal that continues from their PSD so it's a first step to that production career in the terms of following with part of the research conducted during the PSD in the case of Joe so the valuation of learning OIP so to evaluate that impact on students employability skills and in the case of Virginia the research in experiences of teachers using OERs and UER repositories in during this pandemic time in the case of Judith she has chosen that path of networking and and promoting Gojian and see the impact in Africa in a project where she's involved at least for the next three years she was telling us that they already have more than 20 partners involved and one of the perspective there is how we can actually help Judith in terms of of promotion and and producing materials that can be helpful to to potentiate and expand the network and Chris proposed a slightly different fellowship which initially wasn't like framed in the areas but that as well shows the flexibility when we get a good idea and a good proposal in terms of developing a collaborative storybook with the with the objective of raising awareness in open education in in young people and with a group of of quite a lot of people who are actually as well in the conference involved in that in that proposal I think it was very interesting as well to have the presentation yesterday from Karina and and Vivian for the phase two of the AI production in Latin America and one of the aspects in in the area of diversity was that in Latin America it seems that the uses of English as a language is not really helping to expand the network and so we are aware of that aspect as well and and one of the things from from the fellowships as well is trying to promote the the blog post in several languages and outputs as well and that's going to happen as well with the storybook which is going to be designed to be available in in different and multiple languages and now I give the turn to it thanks Paco um if you're able to just move the slide on as well thank you as well for helping me with this so um hi my name is Bec Pitt and I'm going to just be spending probably about ten minutes on an open practice interactive um and just yeah to um flag up in the chat box as well yep there's lots of links to get involved in um the storybook project as well and contribute to that um Paco could you just move on to the next um uh slide is that right thanks oh I think that's the thank you okay lovely thanks so much um thank you so this is really an opportunity to hear from you guys um in the audience um and um it's great to see so many people um in this session um as Martin mentioned one of the things um that we try and do um as part of go gn is um encourage and talk to people about um uh practices around open research open research practices um and encourage kind of people to maybe possibly be more open in the way that um they conduct their research and this is something that we do um and spend time um in sessions for example um our annual workshop um talking with people and um kind of doing activities around um this so I thought we'd take a couple of minutes um just to hear from um you really um about what open research um means to you so I think um people can type in the chat box I'm not sure I think we can unmute people as well I can see so um it was just really to give the opportunity um to hear from you um about what you're doing and um what perhaps open research um means to you so I'm just going to open that up to people um and hear if anyone wanted to share some thoughts um and this will kind of scaffold us into um what Rob's going to talk about in the next section as well so just pause it there um and see if anybody's got anything that they wanted to share um you can yes you can all unmute yourselves if anyone wanted to to speak well thanks bear so yeah it's about sharing aspects of the research process as Martin put we've got a research cycle as well um just in case anyone needed a prompt on um a slide that's coming up lovely thank you so we've got a couple of suggestions coming in um thanks Gino so Gino says expanding the reach of good information so yeah getting out um what we're doing to as many people as possible thank you um and Bea as well like reach you know we're reaching out to as many folks as possible um not only about academics as well thank you bear I think that's really important I think um one of the things um we need to think about quite often is how do we um what kind of message do we say how do we present our research to different um different people um Danielle thank you so having the courage to publish with an open license and the trust in the research community and balancing that that's a really important point thank you um because I think obviously it's not just about kind of saying that you must be um open in everything um that you do it's about thinking carefully um and um as other people have kind of pointed out negotiating um that process and really thinking about um what openness means every point in the research um cycle um Rob says I think openness can be seen as a general scientific virtue um Barbara says transparency trustworthy reaching out so yeah about transparency as well I think that's a really nice point around um around um that kind of element of sharing and being open about um uh what we're doing the transparency that enables for example um uh replication of certain approaches um and methods as well thanks Rob openness can also be a catalyst for networking and collaboration yeah that's great I think um yeah hopefully right um there's lots of different opportunities um at this event as well for um kind of networking and collaboration um and I think that that's a really you know um one of the really fantastic things about um about openness more broadly um Bayer says helping others to build on your knowledge um thank you that's a really great point transparency kind of um letting people know how you did something kind of guiding them through that process enables other people to both replicate and then to build on what you've done um as well so that's a really great point um lovely thank you so Danielle's also made a really good point um and connected to some of the other points that we've seen um as well in the chat um which are great which is around open access um you know and you don't have to be associated with university to be able to consult the literature and I think that's a really important point around you know accessibility of information um so that people um uh beyond universities or um you know who aren't able to access um uh academic literature are able to do so through things being on on um open licenses and open available um and yeah thank you Gino making opportunities for change visible I think that's a really important point um you know around um transformation um and how we um you know and giving visibility to different types of work that's going on um to show what change is possible um as well and um sharing that as widely as possible um that's really fantastic thank you so much for sharing um those I'll I'll just pause a moment in case there's any others I think there's some really wonderful um suggestions from people in the chat um and I think that this gives a really kind of um uh rich and interesting picture of the different facets of um open open research um Paco I don't know if you can move on to the next slider moment as well thank you um and thanks Danielle also here yeah as you say even if you're even if then that's a really good point even if you're associated with um two universities you know more than one university can be really difficult to get hold of what what what you need to do your research depending on what subscriptions people libraries have got or access there is two different things so yeah it can be really challenging even within an institution um so yeah it's it's um yes and it is a bit like a cartel so that's um thank you for all those comments I think that um what um we would if we were kind of continuing this discussion um through and I'm conscious of time as well so I'll hand to Rob in a moment is we kind of look at different phases of the research cycle and I'm kind of talking a bit more depth about where we thought we might be able to be open um at different stages of um of the cycle I've put this lovely um quote here from Cheryl um Hodgkinson Williams and Thomas King um around open research um which is quite useful as well to show just the range and we've heard about this in the chat as well I think it's fantastic um what people have been sharing about that it is this kind of um process all the way through the selection of research processes literature reviews methodologies the instruments the frameworks um and how we share and disseminate our research um you know as well as um thinking about ethical approaches as well and that's really a fundamental part of um open research um thinking about how we can build in um ethical open um how ethical open practice throughout um our research sorry Paco could you just move on to the final slide that'd be great thanks thank you um so yeah just to show you the research cycle oops just got slightly clipped I apologize for the slide there um but yeah just the process through and kind of thinking about um as we've heard from people in the chat there's lots of different ways in which um we can think about um open research and look at different aspects of um the process of research as a whole and think about how maybe we could be more open um in different ways and build that in early on to the process um as well so I'm going to leave it there um and thank everybody for sharing all their ideas in the chat there are some really great examples there so thank you and thinking about publishing and thinking about outputs um I'm now going to hand over um to Rob who's going to talk a bit more about research methodology thanks Rob Robert you're still muted okay um so yeah I'm going to um talk a bit about some of the research outputs that Gojian has produced recently and also um facilitate a bit of a discussion around research outputs other people could potentially be doing and also other things that we could be doing if anyone's got any ideas or any inspiration around it so um we've had mention of the research methods handbook a couple of times and I'm going to talk a little bit about this um in a way a supported version of the presentation yesterday um which if you want to know more about this handbook um I suggest you you can look it up or you can just um have a look on the Gojian website where there's a lot of information about it um but essentially the uh the methods handbook was produced in response to um demand from members at one level because a lot of members that approached us often privately to say they really weren't sure about research methods and they didn't feel confident um around what they were doing and what was striking was the fact that lots of people individually sort of said this but no one was that comfortable saying it kind of openly if you like um so what we tried to do was say okay um we can provide some sort of guidance around this but really the interesting thing would be to draw on the um experiences of our members um we've got lots of alumni who've now finished their doctorates who've used various research methods in their own work um and we could collect um insights from them which we could use to you know produce a resource for everyone to use um so over the last year um roughly we've been working on this and uh we did have a plan to have some face-to-face sessions back in April where we would kind of brainstorm stuff and we kind of you know um work collaboratively collaboratively to produce this uh in the end most of it was done online but it actually worked maybe even better that way because it meant more people could be involved and we could have a more of a um sort of collective approach um so uh there were sort of two parts to the handbook um the first part which was written by the GOGN team uh covers some of the sort of theoretical basis for doing research some of the philosophical foundations of research and I think tries to sort of explain why it's complicated um and um uh take you from that point to a more structured way of looking at it and um a way of working from just an idea through a research paradigm through to a research design um and what we try to do uh in this book is um try to make sort of complex and scary material uh a bit more approachable and accessible and we did this partly through just a kind of um uh a sort of a style which is um a bit more um a bit more accessible and a bit more every day than most of the literature that you'll encounter about research method but we also had this visual style um which uses the the fabled penguins um and the idea of a penguin's journey through a kind of potentially hostile landscape I suppose um um we tried to use these this visual side of things to um to make the whole thing a bit more approachable and so here's an example I think this is this is an example which is if this is the most complicated graphic we had I think and tries to show from a spectrum of um sort of theoretical differences um around what the conception of the underlying conception of truth is or how the um how the sort of how different methods understand themselves to be producing insights and how that maps on to different um research techniques and methods and um throughout the book there's various ways that we've tried to sort of have similar ideas a similar presentation of ideas so the second half of the the book is comprised of these insights from our researchers where we go through each individual method uh the people have used and in their own words they explain how they use a particular method because a lot of the time they're applying it in a way that it wasn't necessarily originally intended for um alongside their own insights so did it work or not if you were to do it again would you use a different method would you refine this method and so on um so that output that methods handbook has been received very well um the award we we're getting this week has been mentioned in in some ways the more sort of striking thing was how much the report was shared beyond our own network so we've got several hundred members but the report's been downloaded um something like six thousand times and we've seen it shared on twitter and other places as well so I think we tapped into actually a wider need for people have to have this kind of guidance so um so one thing we're thinking about is potentially doing another edition of the book next year or we could extend it we could have more um input from a wider range of people and cover more research methods and so on um we're also um planning to do a companion volume to this using a similar sort of crowdsourcing approach but it would be more focused on on theories and how theoretical frameworks are used in open education research and um uh so first of all on the penguins if you want to know more about the visual style um and the ideas behind it where we tried to make it sort of accessible um there's this article uh basically published in the international journal of management and applied research uh also the penguins and the other graphics are all available on an open license for other people to use um another output we had uh this year over the summer again a sort of crowd sourced approach where what we did was um again I think in response to member needs um we tried to provide a sort of digest of um recent research in open education um so on a voluntary basis we assigned uh reviews uh various people based on their own kind of interests and expertise so again we're sort of trying to leverage the expertise that's in the network for the benefit of the wider community um and um we're planning on doing more of these research reviews as time goes on throughout this phase of GOGN and part of the idea here is that um by the time we get to the end of that phase we will have the methods handbook the theoretical framework handbook various research reviews from the last three years kind of compiled into one document so you could actually have like um a pretty useful single volume that we could uh share with new members for instance and say look here's the sort of collective knowledge from GOGN in the last three years um and I think that's a quite an interesting example of um a sort of open practice actually because um I don't know about other researchers but that's not the way that I was taught to do research as a PhD student um and sharing was not particularly the theme right during your um your PhD so I think this is a really kind of innovative and inclusive way of doing things so a sneak preview of the next one that's coming up um so uh I think in December we'll be publishing the 2020 year in review so we'll be looking at what GOGN's been doing in relation to what we said we would do in our KPIs obviously there's a bit of a narrative around all this with the kind of as Martin's indicated with the pandemic and the impact that's had on what we originally intended to do um we're going to try to amplify stories and achievements and publications from our members so that they get recorded and they get shared with a wider audience um and same thing with our fellows right capturing what they're doing and how they're achieving stuff um for everyone to to learn from um and uh and also I think just recording just what happened this year you know our timeline um these are all things that you know we know we do but we don't necessarily write down and share and I think it's it's often the thing that has the greatest value beyond your immediate network he's actually just writing it down and putting it somewhere people can find it um so again as if you think at the end of three years you'd have three years of reviews like this as well um I think it could be quite you know quite a good uh book at the end so what I wanted to do um that's my that's my description of some of our recent outputs um and you can kind of see a pattern right a bit of bit of crowd sourcing bringing people in trying to share that stuff back to the network um and I have I guess two two questions that I wanted us to just have a general discussion around um um for the rest of this session firstly asking is there anything else that we could be doing I know Martin's a fan of the interpretive dance so we'll look forward to his contributions there for the unconventional outputs um but it's really a you know a chance to think think um blue sky think blue sky thinking what else could we do um and what else could you potentially be doing along these lines uh in your own practice you might not be doing exactly the same stuff as us but you might have the potential to um to use some of these kind of crowd sourcing approaches uh for instance um so so yeah I'd like to kind of just open it up really what else could we be doing and what else could you be doing I can't see the chat so um if someone can who can see the chat could help me out I think Martin said something about baking your research and Bea mentions language did you say baking research like a cake that's what Martin says yeah okay you can like ice a cake haven't you seen it it's a phd thing where you uh they do like competition so we do at the open university but they do all around it's kind of I think this week actually bake your research you mentioned like through any baked goods bread bake off cake you bake the idea of your phd research representative and there is a uh you talk about dancing there is a um a dance science thing every year the kind of where you through interpretive dance show off your science results and research so it's um the truth of covid what I'll find you later so I do think there's there's scope for being more creative we do generally just kind of I mean although we're doing it a little bit differently they're kind of standard outputs right books um papers that kind of thing um so I do think there's potentially scope for doing you know stuff that's a bit more interesting uh I think the artwork that we get from Brian it's kind it's probably an example of the most sort of creative stuff that we have in terms of just unconventional outputs I think those artworks and themselves are kind of um more creative than anything else I'm gonna come in for a second since I'm tech support I've got the power actually everybody has the power so you can unmute yourselves if you wanted to say something it's just quick quickly quickly to quicker to speak than rather to write in it it's in connection with uh so yesterday one of the presentations was from Carina and Vivian and they were talking about that they they you know diversity and and equity in in in go g in and one of the things that Vivian mentioned was kind of the fact that um so go g in wasn't really well known at all in in um in Latin America for example so we kind of started getting into the idea okay so um as go g in speaks mainly English and that could be one of the reasons why you know somebody in Latin America who does not speak English would not kind of fill that connection so so that I know this is difficult but is it is there's something you're planning to do in order to address this so how can how can go g and be more inclusive in that sense I think how can you open up um all these research outputs for example to to people who do not speak English um yeah you know you know you know where I'm going well I mean I guess we have a lot of bilingual people in the network translation is something obviously it can be quite time consuming um but I can see how we could potentially sort of budget in to get people to do that sort of thing my only concern would be if they're a phd or a d student that's quite a lot of time that they could be spending um working for us doing that sort of thing so yeah yeah no but I'm not I'm not referring to uh obviously these guys are doing the phd's uh there's uh and I'm not referring necessarily to translate and outputs right it's it's how can you be more diverse in having that conversation invite that conversation the same conversation we're having here for example in English how can you how can you help that conversation happen in other languages how can you um how can you be a bit less English an English speaking organization since you are so you know Goji and it's very international it just happens that you know we're using English as as the main language of communication but how can you use your your members just to try and those connections or conversations happen in other languages other than English it's a suggestion I don't know I think packo might have some questions because packo is talking to the fellowship so I think for instance um I'll let packo speak but I think Judith's fellowship uh is really about promoting Goji and I think for us to develop resources for her to help sort of promoting for me it's kind of discussions and that would be in English but I think also we but I think once we once we've got those tools we can say here are things that you can use to kind of like run sessions in your place and packo's also been talking about producing multiple versions of the fellowship stuff so I don't know if you understand packo on that did we do did one of the conversations we had is that some of the partners uh in her in prayer project yeah use French so the idea is to translate those resources in Swahili and French and and yeah as I said in the from the fellowships as well the idea is that uh blog posts are produced in the uh mother tongue or of the fellows and and with this idea of of keeping the personal touch and engagement uh I think um I think partly this is also an issue about the sort of size and maturity of a network so eventually I think Goji and could have more of a sort of modular quality or more of a sort of franchise quality where there's lots of different bureaus in different places and in a way we've we've we've sort of because we've been growing we're sort of on the cusp of that and I can see how eventually you might you might have these sort of chapters in different places that are more locally focused so you might have a South American chapter for instance I don't know how that would work in practice yet but um I suppose subconsciously that's where I think it leads eventually kind of franchise model almost and I don't know if you can see the chat but uh Jenny says I feel like a crowd this going back to your original question what else could we do in creating I feel like a crowd solution for alternative open focused assessments of this challenging time um I don't know if Jenny wants to elaborate on that and Danielle says providing guidance on writing techniques and styles has communicated the research in different formats for best impact both for me and inform me so I've been writing a micro-credential on evaluating stuff and then disseminating it Danielle so my head's in that already so I don't know if Danielle or Jenny want to elaborate on their points hi everyone so nice to see you I just it's Jenny I just want to confirm that um you know my very pragmatic world so many faculty members across Ontario I'm hearing it across North America are really struggling with how to assess in virtual environments they many of them just can't get past the idea of multiple choice high stakes final exams and I feel like there's so much power in in this in this community in this group's membership to to think of a bit educational practices and to create um templates you know faculty members are as stressed as anyone right now and and very much appreciate inspiration and high quality examples uh and it's it's very hard to find open um good high quality open examples of those types of things so I feel like this this membership of this group has a lot of power to create something like that we will stick that one on on the pile I agree I think it's maybe that's the next kind of big area there might be one of the big kind of outcomes of of the pandemic sorry I dropped someone there I cut someone off sorry this is Danielle and I before I say my part I'll just agree with Jenny a lot of profs really are focusing too much on on assessments that could be replaced with some with things that are so much better but what I was talking about was um if there could be advice provided on writing that would be fantastic uh my writing skills were horrible before I started the phd now they're just mildly bad um so things about you know selecting the right vocabulary using the right expressions knowing the right academic terms knowing how to vary your terms but without using the wrong synonyms all of these things now that's just for the writing part I also agree with Jenny about data visualization because too much reliance on text I don't think is a good thing I come from a science background where there was a lot of visualization and now in the field of education with so much text I find it very difficult to read and write and then the other part was just to provide advice on how to present the findings in different formats in different locations different types of conferences uh and formally and informally sometimes on social media and sometimes in highly formal and maybe even political situations I think data visualization is definitely something we could offer more support around and probably most of us would benefit from you know who aren't specialists in that would benefit from some more guidance and I could probably do with a bit of a bit of direction sometimes on you know how to use some of the latest stuff so yeah I think that's quite good and I do think as a sort of communication tool it can be really effective for sharing stuff and just thinking back to some of Katie Jordan's stuff that went viral a lot of that was to do with it being easy to understand visually I think okay so do we have any more comments I can't still can't see the chat so sorry if you put misty in there. Deborah put in a link to a translation tool that is on Google so thanks for that. Okay so I'm not sure if anyone else wanted to make any other contribution so I think perhaps we'll do a blog post about this team would be a good way to maybe catch some of the suggestions that have been made and stuff and then it'll be there for anyone who wants to look later as well or wants to add to it later. Now make sure to add links to that and to the resources you want to refer to and share in your underneath your abstract in the connect platform so everyone can view and access it. Maybe that's a good place to put it. If there are no further questions we still have plenty of time but otherwise at least already thank you to all the presenters. Thanks everyone. I think we can there are some links we shared in the