 Hello everyone, I hope you can all hear me. It's great to see so many of you attending today and thank you for joining me for the webinar on how to make a Tier 4 general student visa application from outside of the UK. So this presentation will take approximately 15 minutes. Feel free to ask questions as we go along but I will be saving them till the end. We'll have a bit of a Q&A session at the end where I'll answer your questions. Okay, let's start. So to introduce myself, my name is Carrie McMinn. I'm one of the student advisors for Immigration and Finance here at SOAS, University of London. We also have my colleague John Hitchman who is also another advisor. We are your contacts for anything related to your visa application on any immigration related questions you have about your studies in the UK. Okay, so everything that I talk about today is available online. So this is the link to our online guidance. This is a very comprehensive guidance that will go into a lot more detail than I will be able to cover today and so please do make sure that you take a good snapshot of that and make sure you read this before you make your Tier 4 visa application. Okay, let's get started. So today I'm going to cover a number of things. So we're going to look at how, where and when you should apply for your Tier 4 visa. We're also going to talk about the different documents you might need and we're also going to talk about money. So how much money you will need to show in your bank account in order to study in the UK. We're also going to talk about family, so your dependents. There may be some of you out there who have a family that you're hoping to have join you in the UK for your studies. So we have a few slides on that and as I say, you'll have plenty of time at the end for questions. Okay, so let's start with this section here. So who can apply, how to apply, where can I apply and when should I apply? Okay, so who can apply? So you must have accepted an unconditional offer at SOAS before you can apply for your Tier 4 visa. In order to apply for a Tier 4 visa, you'll also need to have secured your 40 points. So your 40 points that you need to be granted a Tier 4 visa. So that 40 points breaks down into two sections. So you have your 30 points for your CAS, your confirmation of acceptance for studies, which is an electronic document that will be assigned to you containing a unique reference number. And that reference number you will need to put onto your visa application so that they can link your application to your place at SOAS. The remaining 10 points is for your maintenance. So demonstrating that you have enough money to support yourself for the duration of your studies here in the UK. Okay, so how do I apply? So the application process is an online application process, which makes it nice and smooth process. The application itself also comprises of the Immigration Health Surcharge, which is a mandatory payment that you make at the beginning as part of your visa application. And this charge is currently £300 per year of leave granted. Okay, and the Immigration Health Surcharge will enable you to have access to the NHS while you're studying for the duration of your studies in the UK. The application fee itself, so the visa application fee, is currently £348 for a standard application. And typically applications will take 15 working days to process, but it's always good to allow yourself a little bit of extra time just in case there are any unforeseen delays. The priority service or premium service will cost you £568 and that will guarantee, well not guarantee, but it will hope to get your visa processed within five working days. So for those of you who are maybe running out of time, that's a good option. But the idea is that you plan well in advance so that you can make use of the standard 15-day service. You'll also need to upload your supporting documents, which we're going to talk about a bit later on. And you'll have to attend a biometric appointment. So this is the appointment where you give your biometric data, your fingerprint data, and a photo of yourselves so that this information can be used on your biometric residence permit, which we'll also talk about a bit later on. As part of the application process, you will also need to attend an interview. So this is a short interview that will ask you about your studies in the UK, why you've chosen SOAS, why you want to study the course that you've chosen. It'll also talk about sort of maybe ask you about how you're able to finance your studies in the UK and it also asks you a little bit about your career aspirations, what you plan to do with your qualification once you've got it from SOAS. There will be people out there that need to do a TB test in order to apply for their visa. So make sure that you do check the information on the gov.uk website. We'll list those from certain countries that will need to have that test done before they apply for their visa. So do make sure you check that web link out. Okay, so where can I apply? So you can apply in your country of nationality or on the country where you are living. So for example, you might be currently working or studying in another country. So what the immigration rules allow for applications to be made from the countries where you are currently living. You'll need to book an appointment at the end of the online application in order to make your visa application. And please make sure you do read the instructions in full before you go along to your appointment because you know there'll be very strict parameters for that appointment. You don't want to make sure that you're fully prepared. Do make sure that you go to your biometric appointment and your interview because that's part of the visa application process. If you fail to attend that part of the application process your application could be refused or deemed invalid. So be really careful with that. Once you've gone through this process and hopefully your visas are all granted and with you then you'll be issued with a 30 day visa vignette which will be a sticker endorsed in your in your passport. And within that time you're expected to travel to the UK, your entry to the UK. Once you've entered the UK you can then collect your biometric residence permit so this is the card that will contain your biometric data which you would have provided at your appointment. And it will also contain the conditions of your visa so it will say how long your visa is valid for and how many hours of work you'll be allowed to do in the UK. And it also confirms your entitlement to use the NHS and healthcare services. So it's really really really important document. It's also really important that you keep this document safe and that you make sure you don't lose it because the process to replace it can be quite lengthy and will cost you money as well. So be really careful with that document. It's as important as your passport. Okay so when should you apply? So you can apply up to three months before the start of your course. If you apply any earlier than that your visa application will be refused so it's very important that you are careful with your dates. So no more than three months before the official start date of your programme and the official start to your programme will be clearly labelled on your CAS, your confirmation acceptance studies. So do check that date very carefully. It's also important that you have all your documents ready or your academic qualifications. If you need to submit an English language qualification for example make sure you have all that in place before you apply and also make sure that you can meet the financial requirements and in the correct way so your documents are in the correct format before you apply. So all those requirements must be in place before you submit and pay for that application. Okay so now I'm going to talk a little bit about what documents you need. So everybody will need a valid passport. Everybody will need a CAS because that gets you all 30 points for your CAS and the CAS document as I say is an electronic document and it'll contain all the details of your programmes, what course you're doing, what level the programme is, how much your course is costing you and it'll also list all your qualifications so what you need to show in order to get your visa. It's a really important document. It's really important that you check the information on your CAS as well carefully before you apply for your visa. If you see anything on there that looks incorrect then it's really really important that you have it corrected with us, with SOAS before you apply for your visa so that you know you're submitting all the correct information first time. So the qualifications as I say will be listed on your CAS so that for example could be an undergraduate degree certificate if you're going on to a master's for example or a master's certificate if you're going on to a PhD. So normally it's your qualifications that you have to have in order to be made an offer on a programme at SOAS. You also may need to prove English language ability so it could be an IELTS certificate that you need to submit or it may be that the university has made their own assessment of your English language and they will have a statement on your CAS to explain how they have done this. So again read the information on your CAS very carefully before you submit your visa application. Proof of maintenance is possibly the most important bit so making sure that your maintenance is in the correct format so that could be a bank statement or a bank letter or a passbook proving that you have enough money to support yourself in the UK so typically those documents have to have your name the account number the date of the statement the name and logo of the bank the financial institution and the amount of money available to you so just making sure that you check our guidance carefully and make use of our finance checker that we have built to help you to check your own bank documents carefully so make sure that you use all those tools to ensure your documents are looking are looking okay. If you are from what we call a home office deem a low-risk country so you are a low-risk national and you are applying for a T4 visa you do you do not need to include your academic and financial documents with your application so you are exempt from having to produce these documents as part of your visa application however as part of the application you are agreeing to a declaration confirming that you have these required documents and required funds and so it's really important that you do have that in place before you make your visa application and the UK visas and immigration home office will do reserve the right to request those documents from you at any point of the application process if they want to and so if you are unable to provide those on request then this could result in a refusal of your visa so please be very careful with that. One last thing to say about the proof of maintenance is just making sure that your documents are dated within the last 31 days so there is a requirement for your documents to be nice and new and up to date. Okay so we're going to talk about that about the internet's a bit more detail so how much you need to show so if your program is longer than eight months which is normally the case if you're doing an undergraduate or a one-year master's you will need to show the full tuition fee for the first or if it's a master's program with the whole master's program or if it's an undergraduate qualification it will be for the first academic year so full fees for the first academic year plus 11385 pounds in maintenance or living expenses so this is the money that the home office expects you to have in or unable to live in the UK pay rent pay your daily day daily expenses course costs etc. If your program is shorter than eight months then again it's the full fee for the program and 1265 pounds for each month of your program or partial month of your program so be really careful with that if your course sort of is for example six months in a week you will need to see your maintenance requirements seven months okay so they will count that partial month if you've paid your fees in advance or you've paid some of your fees in advance then this really should be receded on the CAS on the confirmation acceptance studies if you've paid in paid in full it will say pattern you'll see sort of the receipt of your of the tuition fees you've made so make sure that that accurately reflects your situation before you apply it may be that you're sponsored by an official financial sponsor in which case you will and this could be a sponsor from your home government or a university overseas or in the UK or an international company or scholarship agency so you must provide a letter from your sponsor confirming the details of your sponsorship so how much money they are spot they are giving you how long that money is to last you sort of duration of that sponsorship and that letter must be dated within the last six months and stamped by the sponsor again our online guidance has lots of information on that it's also included in our financial checker so do make sure that you look at that you may also be using a student loan or an educational loan they sometimes refer to it so if you are supporting yourself financially with a student or educational loan this loan must be held in your own name okay and again the loan letter must be dated no more than six months before the date of your application okay there must also be no conditions on the release of your loan so just be really mindful of that and again check our guidance for full details on that so if you are receiving sponsorship or you are in receipt of an educational loan but it doesn't cover your full fees and maintenance costs and it's really important that anything remaining is shown in your own bank account or a parents you can also use your parents bank account so you must be covering the full amount so it might maybe that you're using two different sources to show that so touching on that again so your money can also be shown in your parents account or your legal guardian if you have an official legal guardian so if you are to use your parents account then you must also submit your original birth certificate confirming the relationship or a certificate of adoption if that's what you need to show and a court document if you have a legal guardian so you must have an official court document if you are using funds in a legal guardian's name if you've got any questions on that you can always contact our services further information okay again and the most important bit your funds must be held for at least 28 days before the date of your application so it must be held consistently without falling even by penny for the last 28 days before you submit your application maintenance is one of the most common reasons for a visa to be refused and they can be easily avoided if you're just very careful with reading the guidance and making sure the money has been held for the right period okay so just a quick note about studying part time it's now possible to study a postgraduate course in the UK on a tier four visa part time which is very new this has been around for maybe just best part of a year the only issue with that is that you won't be allowed to work if you decide to be a part time tier four student in the UK so if you are thinking of doing some part time work while you're studying or you just want the experience of working in the UK then unfortunately studying part time won't allow you to do that so be mindful of that it may also affect caps on studies so the time in which you can study in the UK and you can also not bring your family members unfortunately so your dependence that's your spouse civil partner unmarried partner of more than two years or children under the age of 18 you won't be able to bring unfortunately your dependence with you if you're studying part times again please be mindful of that okay so touching on family again so full-time postgraduate students who are studying for more than nine months or if you're a government sponsored student and you are here for more than six months you can if you wish have your husband wife unmarried partner or children under the age of 18 you can they can apply for visas to join you dependently to join you in the UK for the duration of your studies now your dependence will have their own set maintenance requirements which currently stands at seven thousand six and five pounds per dependent and again that would be for courses of over eight months if your course is you know is less than six months your government sponsored then it's eight hundred and forty five pounds per month or partial month so do make sure that you check the or the dates of your course very carefully okay so that I've come to the end of my session I'm really looking forward to seeing you all at SOAS and now we've got plenty of time to have some questions so the CAS is issued once you have met the conditions of your offer so you have to have an unconditional offer and have met all the conditions of that offer you will need to physically request your CAS via your admissions team so it's would be master's master's admissions if you're doing a postgraduate level qualification or undergraduate admissions and normally those CASs are issued like I say three months prior to the start date of your program and the reason why that's normally because we don't want students to accidentally submit applications too soon because that will result in a visa refusal so the CAS is as I say will be issued by email once you've requested them and once you've met all the conditions of your offer so we've got a question here is the proof of maintenance required for a part time two-year program the same so if you are doing a part time tier four program their maintenance requirements are the same so it's up to a maximum of of the nine months so 11 385 for your maintenance requirement so how long will the CAS be issued after I was granted okay so the CAS so that your CAS will be how long the CAS will be issued um so if you mean um how long will it take to have your CAS well that would be um that would be done by the admissions team so they'll have um that we doing those as quickly as possible if we're talking about the duration of the CAS um it will cover the duration of the course okay so if you're doing a three-year graduate program your CAS will cover for the full three years again if you're doing a part time master's over two years it would cover the full two years so can you pay a partial payment a fee and then apply for your visa um so if you're referring to the tuition fees um then yes you don't have to pay your full tuition fees in full before you apply for your visa but you can pay you can if you wish or pay part of it but whatever you have remaining your tuition fees you must show that in your maintenance requirement if I've misunderstood your question now apologies um you could also always email again so if someone's been rejected for a visit visa in the UK will it have any connection to getting your tier four visa it's a really really good question if you have had a previous visa refusal in any visa category but be it a visit visa or a tier four visa or a work visa for example then you must declare it on your visa application form that's really really important so the application form will ask you to declare the previous visa refusals you've had and provide an explanation as long as you're very clear and honest about your immigration history then um that should that should be enough for them to process your application I'm afraid no visa is guaranteed but as long as you're very um honest on your application they will take all of that into consideration okay so regarding financial documents how can we prove the 28 day money inside by using a certificate of deposit again that's a really really good question certificate of deposits come with their own set of requirements and there is guidance on the home office website about how certificates of deposits should look so essentially those deposits should be dated no more than 31 days prior to submitting the visa application and they must the date of the deposit must be at least 28 days prior to the issue of the certificate so as long as the certificate deposit clearly shows that the money was deposited more than 28 days ago that should be fine but again there's lots of guidance on specifically how fixed deposit should look so do look at that lots of questions coming through here so sorry if I miss a few of them so um just to verify the health surcharge is charged three pounds every year if your program is two years it'll be 600 pounds that's correct so it's to do remember to do with the the grant the leave that you're granted not the year of the course so if you're doing a two-year program you will actually be in the UK for longer than two years because you'll get your month at the beginning of the program and four months at the end of the program so you could be paying more than the 600 pounds so be careful with that hello I have two questions the student visa will require IELTS UKVI certificate right there's lots of different English language qualifications um or ways that the English language can be assessed so the university can assess it uh the IELTS is the typical one that you would see but the university can also assess your English language in different ways you need to look at your CAS and see how your English language has been assessed in order to go and entry onto the program okay so applied for a scholarship sheathening sheathening I should receive the confirmation letter end of June I think by providing a letter that I received the award scholarship should be fine um well this again as I say the scholarship will state how much money it's covering um so if the scholarship your sheathening scholarship covers all your tuition fees at least the first academic year and the 11385 living expenses then that should be enough for your visa application if it doesn't cover it all then you would need to provide extra documents okay so how about these applications for a PhD is it only one year schools fees yes so again with PhDs you'll get a CAS for uh three or four years um depending on the program but you only need to show the the tuition fee amount for the first academic year that's the same for all programs okay is bank statement of 31 days more than enough for a tier four visa so the bank statement should clarify so the bank statement you use or the bank letter that you use or the document for personal savings and current accounts needs to be dated no more than 31 days prior to the date of your application but the funds the transaction history must cover the required 28 days consecutive 28 days so I wouldn't say I wouldn't suggest putting in a bank document that is exactly 31 days old the newer the better so ideally a week old would be would be better so my metric appointment and interview will they take place in your home country yes so uh normally you would be attending your biometric appointment your interview processing your visa application in your home country or the country in which you are living however there are some countries whereby there is no visa application centre in your actual country but they should give you um your options of where you'll be able to carry that out that only applies to to very few countries if that applies to you then there should be clear guidance on where you can do this and if you're unsure again just contact us for help if you need help navigating the websites how soon can we come to london after the visa is issued again that's a really really good question so you can come to the uk up to one month prior to the start of your undergraduate program masters or phd program exactly one month so um if you you're the visa vignette that you are issued in your passport which we spoke about earlier um that will have the date by which you can enter the uk so we'll have an issue date so just check the dates on on that carefully if I applied for a tf4 visa in the uk previously but did not use it as I deferred my studies will it affect my current visa application um not necessarily but that's quite quite a complex question so I would recommend you dropping us an email to talk about that in a bit more detail so that we can advise you more accurately on that um our contact information is available in our guide our online guide that I promoted at the beginning of our talk okay so there is information showing that as a u.s citizen a visa is not required but from what I can tell that applies for courses that are six months is that correct that is indeed correct if you're a u.s citizen specifically um and you're coming to the uk for the less than six months so maybe you're doing um a study abroad unit or um a short course for example then um you can request your permission to study on entry to the uk so that is very very specific to to short courses if you are a u.s citizen um and you are doing um a full master's program or another graduate program phd program you will need to apply for a tf4 visa okay are you allowed to travel within 30 days after arriving in the uk I have a wedding in w okay so yeah and you ideally once you've traveled to the uk you've entered the uk you've collected your biometric residence permit you've activated your leave in the uk if you have to do a trip in that time then that shouldn't be a problem as long as you've got your brp card please be mindful that obviously um when once your course has started we do expect you to be um you know meeting your enrollment deadlines and participating in your program but as long as you've got your brp card and your permission to to travel in and out then that's fine so regarding the bank statements 28 days from the day I deposit the required money so the yeah so the bank statement it just says that you need to have at least 28 days maintaining your funds before you apply for your visa if you've had your money for four five months that's brilliant but the minimum requirement is 28 days before you apply for your visa so do make sure that you plan that accordingly okay so a question about dependent visas so seven six oh five for dependent is the total maintenance amount for the entire visa duration so that's correct so if you've got one dependent then it's 7605 pounds for that dependent oh just remember that your dependence will also have a visa fee to pay and they'll also be subject to the immigration health surcharge you do need to factor in those additional costs as well but the seven six oh five per dependent is fine for the duration of the time in the UK so if you are a master student you're coming for a year that will be the fee for the year so as a dual citizen US and Kenya living in Kenya can my visa application still be as a US citizen yes it absolutely can if you've got a US passport and a Kenyan passport you can choose one you use I would suggest using the US passport as your application would be considered low risk that's not a problem any questions you have about English language are best put to your admissions team as they will be able to explain to you what language requirement or what IELTS results are suitable for your program so please go directly to your admissions team for full details on English language requirements and what your course needs in order to successfully secure your place and also successfully get your visa okay so can I come to London before 30 days if I have a tourist visa you must activate your tier four visa on entry to the UK it's not possible to come to the UK earlier than that and move on to your on to your next visa so you must be activating your tier four visa on entry to the UK once it's valid to use okay my employer will be my sponsor for tuition fee and maintenance do I still need to show bank statements okay be really careful with that one because remember official financial sponsorship can only be from your government an international organization university or scholarship agency so if your employer is not defined as an international agency or an international organization then it may be that you won't be able to use your employer as your sponsor so do be very careful with that I mean if your employer is if your if your employer does not meet the conditions of an official financial sponsor then that money will need to be given to you in order to be held in your own name for the required 28 day period that's a really good question thank you for that one yes lots of really good questions about sponsorship documents and I would just urge you again to read the our guidance our online guidance we cover official financial sponsorship and scholarship documents in quite a lot of detail so please do refer to that guidance because there are quite a few questions here to do with that if again if you have any queries you can always send us an email so is there a typical format of for parent consent form oh thank you for that question I don't think I touched on that in too much detail so if you are using your parents bank documents to support your visa application you will need a letter from them saying that they are happy to you that saying that they are happy to use their finances to support yourself in the UK there's no sort of standard format for how that letter should look but I would just keep it simple so make sure it's got the dates on it the full name of your parents confirming what the relationship is between you and the account holder for example your father or your mother and just a line saying that they're happy for you to use their funds for the duration of your studies in the UK make sure that letter is also signed by the person named on the account hopefully that answers your question the CAS can be directly requested from the science finance department no the CAS comes from admissions so just be mindful of that so the CAS you can request and that will be produced for you via your admissions team your relevant admissions team so that won't come from the finance department directly so if I pay the thousand pounds as needed to accept the unconditional offer would I get the thousand pound back so the thousand pound deposit would be is is part of the tuition fees so if you've paid a thousand pounds towards your tuition fees already that will be receded on the CAS as a thousand pounds made towards your tuition fees so going back to the visa application fee itself so the 348 is the standard visa fee so that will mean that your application is processed in approximately 15 working days if you pay the additional fee which is approximately 568 pounds then that is premium service what will mean you'll get a you should have your application processed within five days now the visa application VSF Global will have lots of different additional add-ons that you can pay for if you wish so to for for example if you want a courier service for your documents they will can charge you extra so you mind that there'll be additional add-ons that you can pay to that visa application should you wish if it suits your needs but the basic flat standard fee is the 348 UK pounds can we use different bank statements as proof of maintenance again a really good question you can use multiple accounts you just got to make sure that your money is cash savings it's really important that your money is available cash so in savings accounts and current accounts bonds shares investments pension funds unfortunately cannot be used as maintenance it must be cash funds but if you've got your funds in say two or three accounts that's absolutely fine you've just got to make sure that you can calculate that that money has been there across the accounts for the required 28 day period so there is a little bit of math that you'll have to do there a lot of looking at your transaction history making sure that the balances added up have been there for the last 28 days but yes you can use more than one bank account you can also use funds in your own name and your parents name as well so if you wanted to use your own personal savings and also your mother or father's account again that's perfectly acceptable but just making sure that you also submit that certificate and your letter of consent as proof of relationship for the additional funds can I use my spouse's bank account for tier 4 visa application unfortunately you cannot use your spouse's bank account if for tier 4 students you must use money in your own name or your parents name or official legal guardian whereby you have your court court documents to prove that person is your legal guardian you can't use your spouse's accounts unfortunately your dependents if you have dependents joining you in the UK now their funds can be in their own names or your name but not in your parents name so again it's very careful be careful with the guidance on who can support a tier 4 application and who can support a dependent visa application if I enroll in a part-time course can I get a tier 4 visa which allows my dependents to come along and work no obviously as we said in the presentation the tier 4 part-time visa does not allow dependence in the UK it also does not allow work so if you are coming to the UK as a part-time tier 4 student you would be entering into a situation whereby you are not able to work and you are not able to have your dependents with you in the UK unfortunately so for senior status LLB I was told that the admissions teams would contact me regarding the CAS late June early July yeah so um as I say CAS is a normally issued towards the end of June early July just to make sure that students are using them within that required three month period so yeah so you should be able to request your CAS subject to meeting or offer conditions from around late June if you have any specific questions on that then you can always contact your admissions department directly will I be granted a two-year visa for a part-time program yes again so if you're applying for a part-time program the full program duration will be put on that CAS so you will be a one-time visa for you do nieces and nephews fall under dependents now I'm afraid that they don't dependents are defined as husband wives civil partners unmarried partners of more than two years but you must have been living with that partner there'll be a requirement to prove that you've been living with your partner for the last two years and children under the age of 18 so how long does it take to get a visa generally speaking as I've said so the standard process is 15 working days I mean that's an approximation that's generally quite reliable 15 working days but you've got maybe a complicated application or there are various parts of your application that need a little time some students can wait a little longer but generally speaking it's 15 working days thanks for your kind words very helpful and informative I'm glad you found this helpful what's the extra duration after the course that my student visa will be valid to look for a job again really good question so when you are on your programs you're on your undergraduate your PhD your master's program your full-time course just to be clear you can work 20 hours per week during term time and that's paid and that could be unpaid or paid employment but not self-employment or freelance work unfortunately the tier four rules do not permit self-employment or freelance work in the UK so you must be employed so you can work 20 hours per week during term time and then the official vacation periods you'll be able to work full-time and you'll also be able to work full-time at the end of your program the end of your program is defined by the end date on your CAS so by the end date on your CAS for the remainder of your visa you will be able to work full-time in the UK and it's normally about four months additional leave that you will get at the end of your visa if you are studying an undergraduate PhD or master's program hopefully that answers your questions the UK Council for International Student Affairs has really brilliant information and guidance on working in the UK during and after studies if that's something that you are really engine finding out more about I recommend looking at the UK Council for International Student Affairs website and they also have a really good working blog which will tell you about what kind of work you can do in the UK so that you are remaining compliant with the conditions of your visa that's a really good recommendation to read that have a question regarding valid passport period if my passport is valid until the end of 2021 and my program lasts till June will you suggest no not necessarily you there's no requirement for your passport to cover the duration of your program as long as it's valid at the point of application and the point at which a decision is made on your visa application that is most important so if you do need to it to renew your passport in the UK that should not be a problem there are a few countries that do not permit you to renew your passport in the UK there are very very few but if you want to if you think that could be a problem for you then I recommend checking the embassy website to see if that might affect you but no for most students it is impossible to renew your passport in the UK if you when even when you need to and can I use a student loan my savings pair my savings parents say yes you can use all sorts of combinations if you've got an educational student loan that covers part of your costs but you've also got some of that money in savings some of that money in your parents savings and that's fine just use the combination so just be mindful of the requirements around the educational loan again read our guidance on that and then making sure that any money you have in your name or your parents name is saved for the required 28 day periods without falling that's really really important finances you need to spend some time making sure your documents are in order before you apply I was offered a conditional admission do I need IELTS tests before so if you've got a conditional offer you need to see what those conditions are so your offer letter should state what those conditions are and if you've got any query how you might be able to meet those conditions then you should be contacting your admissions team if you're if you're unclear on that okay so as I say IELTS is one particular English language test that most students will use but there may be depending on your circumstances um other ways in which you can prove your English language but if you're unclear on that then you you should be contacting admissions to make sure you are clear before applying for a visa documents should be within the last 20 31 days yes so your all financial documentation must be within 31 days must be issued within the last 31 days unless of course you're using an educational loan or a financial sponsorship letter in which case they can be up to six months old okay so I think we've run out of time just want to say thank you very much for coming you've all had some really fantastic questions um lots of the questions that I've not been able to answer today will be um you'll be able to get the answers to those questions in our online guidance as please do read that before you apply for your visa it's very very helpful also the um again the finance checker the maintenance checker is quite a new addition to our online resources it's really really helpful students find it really useful so uh do have a look at that um and that will help you um to get your finances in order and if you have any questions if you've read all the guidance you're still confused or you have something that's quite specific to your situation that you're concerned about and putting in a visa application and you can always get in touch with us again our contact information will be on our online guide so feel free to email us if you are worried about anything to do with your visa application that's no problem at all thanks so much lovely kind words thank you so much and I'm really looking forward to seeing you all in September thanks very much