 Welcome to Toffy TV, we are joined in the studio by a hero, one of our heroes. Big Duncan Ferguson. It's bad, great to be here. It took you so long. We've got all the stuff we've got to do Duncan on our own. How long have you been doing this from there? I've been asking you to come in on it. I've been doing this for five years now. So that's all on me being on your case for. Leave into me before I have me, if it's fine on me. Enjoy that. Stuff like that, but this is different level being in. Being on art here. Definitely great. Lovely to see you, thank you very much for coming in. Let me take you back to the start of your career. Long time ago. Long time ago. I was saying I was looking through the thing and it was 25 years ago that you signed for Everton. Everton career, yeah. Before that obviously up in Scotland. Into your footer up there. So how did that come about? Like everybody else, really grass roots. Played a local team. Got scouted, done United. Wasn't really fancied, you know what I mean, as a player. But Walter Smith, believe it or not, spotted me. He recommended that I got signed for done United. So it was Walter Smith that got me to done United. So when I moved to done United, Walter unfortunately he moved to Rangers as a manager. So I never quite crossed our path out of done United. But he went to Rangers as a Rangers assistant manager at Graeme Stonnes. And I moved to done United at 16. I was on a YTS, 45 quid a week. That's what we got. That's alright. You don't know. I think you made your debut at 17 for done United? I'm not sure. I might have been 18 or something. You were 17. Trust me, you were 17. That was at the end of one season and the next season you got in and scored a few goals. I think my debut was against Rangers at Ibrox. Come on as a sub. And I think we played it like Easter on my cup or something. It was my first senior goal, I think. Big skinny kid. Unfortunately that's long gone. The hair and the physique. The hair and the physique. And then obviously done really well at done the United and then Rangers. Can't call them four million quid. Yeah, a lot of money back then. British record at the time. Could have went to a number of clubs. Leeds, but they just won the old first division. That was the last time the first division was won by Leeds, I think. Leeds, yeah, just before the Premier League. And they wanted me to replace the striker. Chapman was it? Leeds Chapman, yeah. Wanted me to replace him. So went in there to see Leeds a couple of times. Spoke to the manager. Howard Wilkinson and that made my mind up. I wasn't signing for Leeds. So I went to Rangers Ninja. And of course Walter then was the manager of Rangers then. So he paid the money for me. I remember we were linked with you when you were at the United at the first. And I was thinking. And you scored. Do you hit the barber then over a kick? Or scoring over a kick? Scotland, yeah. Who's this big fella that you're with? We're after both. I heard that as well because obviously Howard was the manager. The late great Howard. Then he was the manager at the time. And he tried to get me done to have him. I knew nothing about it, obviously. So you went after Rangers. Different experiences at Rangers, shall we say? Yeah, just didn't quite work out for me at the time to bonus. I had a few injuries and I got a few problems off the field. And didn't quite happen for me, you know. So I was on there for about 15 months really. And of course I got the call. Walter said to me we want you to get a fresh start. So there's a few teams in for me. Ever been one of them. Why did you have a red jacket on? I was going to get the same question. The red jacket at the Fresh Conference? Yeah, it was brilliant because it wasn't your red, was it? It was orange. It was an orange jacket. I might be on the pictures a look at it. But it was orange. I told you at the time that was the style, you know what I mean. The big curtains and an orange jacket. Liverpool wasn't quite the same after that. We weren't ready for it. You come down with the injury at the time? The injury was a good player. We had done a bad knee injury. He came down and he wasn't quite the same player. He was at the end of it for me. So he got sent back but luckily enough I stayed. See I always thought you'd go back and the injury didn't stay. I always thought that was gone. Because when you signed, because obviously you'd come down and it felt like you wanted a fresh start. But did you ever think I'm going to stay? I remember the press conference. You were looking around and it almost felt like I've come for a few games. At the time Rangers were huge, huge, huge. I mean they still are of course. But at the time they were massive. Did you ever think I'll get back into it and then I'll go back? That's what I was told. Walter told me we need a fresh go down there. Go down for a few months and get yourself some games. You know we'll bring you back. So that's all I was told. The press conference, I was going back to Rangers. That's what we were all thinking about. Does he rarely want to be here and all? Not that you rarely want to be here. But the variety of ramps was the one that looked like he wanted to. Because I think obviously his injuries. He was probably thinking fresh start down there. To be fair I think Rangers were trying to get there into it at the time. I don't think they were quite ready to get me at the time. I think they were just actually generally moving me on to get some game time and to take it for a fresh start because I had some problems up in Scotland at the time. So I think that was generally what was going to happen. But of course it went on. I wanted to stay where I was. Of course in Rangers I was happy where I was. My agent got involved. We wanted to stay where we were. And that's how that basically happened. I think Rangers were initially wanting to bring me back. Everything fell into place though didn't it? The first thing is you were giving the number nine shape. This was a time when it wasn't just a number nine. It was a squad number thing. Someone else could have had that easily. But it was given to you. And then obviously you scored your first goal in the Macyside Derby. And not just the Macyside Derby. It was a massively important thing. Mike Walker had gone and had me in that break. Obviously Joe had come in and did me. And we had the Derby's the first game. And remember you nearly scored in a postman. But you got injured in there. I brought in the foothine. I think we started to take injections in to actually get to next game. I remember at the time we got about eight injections in the foothine to try and get myself ready for the next one. But I think you're right. I think I was just filming the place for me. I think the shirt was there. There was a position there that sent it forward. I think the club and the fans have been crying it for something like me, you know, at that particular time. Because there had to be a bit of history. Scottish strikers, as you know. When did Joe come in? Obviously we beat Liverpool. It was fantastic wasn't it? We were a night dive. I think they were chopping. We were bottom on there. I knew we were still going over at the bottom there. And you scored to the good goal and right about to score. Nothing has changed, didn't I? I still talk at the bottom. I just remember from that night though, I remember Neil Ruddach going through the back of you. And you just basically went down, got up and just looked at him. That was like a big change I thought. A big turnip point in the game. It was like Neil Ruddach thought he had you. And you just looked at him and that was all it took. And from then on you just bullied him all night. It was just like little things like that way. You just remember things like that. Because as a fan, you know, you're not used to that. You've just been crying out for someone to stand up to them. Just stand up to them and obviously win. Yeah, I think they were a team fully. At that time Big Joe had come in, hadn't they? And he changed it around the boot and he brought a few players in for the reserves. And I think it worked really well. He got the whole dogs of war in there, didn't he? He brought Paul Ryde at the time. Who wasn't he playing? So he changed it around. And obviously Big Joe being a legendary club. He got the team galvanised. I think that was your night, wasn't it? It was under the lights. Monday night. The buzz was always in the buzz. It was the first time I was in the buzz. And the second time I was in the buzz was actually when we went to the cup final before the cup final. We had a gone away party, believe it or not. And some bright spot decided to organise a night with the buzz. Like a Tuesday night. And the cup final was only Saturday. Incredible. Incredible. I remember, obviously we beat Leedsers well not long after that on the Monday. 3-0 didn't be battered then. We got started finding our feet. I mean I still can't believe that when we went down to Chelsea and won one last time we won there in the Premier League. Exactly. I knew we hadn't caught it. Exactly a long time. We've come closer a few times. But it was a bit safe, wasn't it? But then we got over Christmas and then that glorious news come. That you were staying. And you signed with the Greed of Deal with Rangers for you and then you scored your first goal. I've been signing against Sheffield Wednesday around but we got before. I was on boxing day and I watched it from a tree in Stanley Park. Cos I couldn't get in. Cos I had no tickets. I got up there late. He had a picture of Thor in the stadium. That was it. And I just remember. All I could see was that you run off and celebrate and never seen the goal. David Burroughs crossed it from the left and you just rode brilliant at that. Burroughs wandled up and we lost 4 more. We had some poor players back then, didn't we? Just listening. I think that's another reason why the fans just took to you. Cos obviously we didn't really have anyone. I think that's the reason why we had no-one who'd stand up to people and you were this young lad ready to go to war for us on the terrace. I think you're fearless, aren't you? I was 22 when I came. You're a young man, aren't you? But you think you're a man, don't you? I think the history of the Scottish strikers, the big centre forward. I was aware of that. And we know what the fans want. They still want it to this day, didn't they? They still want people to stand up and be aggressive and stand up for their colours. I think I've fitted that. Outstanding. That season, obviously, a big turn around, we ended up winning the FA Cup, which was just unbelievable games down at Bristol City when we were hammered and Matt Jackson scored an injury time. And speaking of Norwich, 5-0, things like that. It was outstanding. Newcastle. Newcastle, Dave Watson. That pitch, the Newcastle guy. Half the pitch was sand for that quarterfine. It was on live, wasn't it? Half the pitch was sand on the other half. The semi-fine, you didn't play, did you? No, Hernia. Did you end up in the Sheffield Wednesday? I had a double Hernia operation. I was struggling with the Hernia for a while. So I missed the semi-fine lad. They gave me a double Hernia operation. I was like the guinea pig at the time. They put this mesh in you. They put this mesh into your tummy and it sticks you up. They get you back in 14 days. So they did that to me. I missed the Tottenham game. But I was trying to get myself fit for the cup final. I was never near fit. And a big, big jolt you put me in the squad. And it was touching go if he was going to put me in. But I think because we were playing man United. That swayed it. Because we'd beat them alone in the season at Goodison. I was looking off to score the goal. That swayed big jolt you sticked me in. I was looking on the team sheet, getting me on the bench. But I wasn't fit. I was never near it. And as it happened, I played 40 minutes or something. And I was naked. The mesh was bent up and all that. And all the things happened. And I had to get it all redone. I just remember the semi-final. You weren't playing in the final. We were just singing, dunking. We were playing all the way home. It was a great performance. Probably one of the best performances we've done for a long time. It was fantastic. So was Newcastle in the quarterfinals. But you all wanted this Tottenham man United final. And he didn't want anything anywhere near it. A big nice performance in the final, didn't he? Yeah. We deserved to win the finals. We definitely deserved to win the finals. I just remember being at Wembley. And we didn't know what was going on. We didn't know whether you were going to be involved or not. Because Joe Royal had kept it quiet overall. And was behind the goal just to the left where I had outscored. And everyone was like, Dung is going to be involved. And the players started to come out. We had those white unbrowed trains. And she was a barlow jogged out. And people were like, don't come much and be there. So they come out to have a little, they were playing tennis over the boards. And in the next minute, you just did. Because you walked out where I'm a catty in the next minute. Everyone was just like, come on. It's a great deal. We were ready for it. It's been too long, mate. It's been too long. It's been the last time we've won something. But great. Won it, outstanding. You've come on, you're the blue now. Still got that pity on us, we're getting fat. There it is, right? Look at that. I was for charity. I don't know where I got that from. Obviously one of the finest. Just give you it. I didn't win the charity. A few months later. A couple of months later as well. I don't remember any sideways. A cross shot. I think I was a bit busier that summer. I think it was a lot of things. I don't remember. I don't remember what happened. Other things went on. When you got yourself fit again, ready to play football. Back to fitness. You played in the reserve game at Godderson. And there was 10,000. Freezing. You had your beard. We won 5-0. When you went to one of the hotels up there you looked tough mate. Do you know what though? Could you imagine social media now if a club did what we did that night for you? The pipers and all. Do you imagine this? It was just showing. I was wrong but when I... I was wrong being up there but when I... That was a fitness camp. But it was funny that. When you think back people now would go... No but the thing is the reason I had to go to the health farm was ridiculous. I'm not going to go into it but it was absolutely nonsense. No, nonsense. But got yourself back. And the fans got me through as well by the way. Did you take loads of support from that? Just loads of letters. The support that you got, you know what I mean. Do you think that cement... I mean I'm not saying you didn't already. We had years one of our own but do you think that kind of cemented you? It's part of the story isn't it? It's part of that story. Obviously you've gone up there. You know what I mean. It was wrong. I shouldn't have been in there. I think that a lot of people understood that. And they know if you're in for anything bad a year away. It was nonsense. It was nothing. I've seen something good in some park a couple of weeks ago which was worse. Obviously you get on the letters and you're in there and you have plenty of time in your hands to read through them all. So now it definitely gets you through it. And then come back, back to fitness I still scored one of my favourite goals from yours was that Wimbledon in the white kit which is open in New Year's Day when you swung on the chest and nothing. I wasn't a swinger, it was a brilliant fit. You scored the one against Man United as well from outside the box which was in the 2-2 when we were 2-0. I missed a sitter I missed a sitter with the 5 minutes to go. I missed an absolute sitter. Still keeps me up at night now. I like that you remember that though. I like that you remember the sitter I didn't remember the goals because I think that's what put up a sense of forward to do. Too long, too much thinking about it I think. Was that the one Gary speech? You missed it. You come here and Gary try to get it and you miss kicked it and it's coming to me and I hit it on my left and honestly how I've missed it to this day I can't rubbish. I've finished with me unfortunately. You scored two scrims though. Great set there. One with the right foot. That came just days after we played Newcastle and everyone was raving about cheerer and you played and you didn't score. I think that was my best performance. Gary speech scored a lovely goal. That was his first goal. I think that was my best performance and I never miss it. Really? Alone I never scored. I thought that day was the team in general. It's so frustrating because we had such a good team as well. We had such a good side. Poor Gary what happened to him. We had such a good side we just could never put it all together and then we set self sabotage by letting Joe go. Joe leaves because he can't for whatever reasons. That team it all started to fall apart again and then that one went Joe left that season as a fan that was such a strange season because we started I remember I was doing the Tours of Goddison at the time you were at Goddison on the Friday for one of those lunches memories you did with the fans. Dain him with the stars. I remember speaking to you the day before and you were like we'll beat them we'll offer it, we'll beat these tomorrow. The next day we were absolutely brilliant we batted them and they were fancy we batted them and then we had the United I think it was Tottenham next thing we did with Tottenham might be wrong, third game might have been Tottenham. Oh after? We started really well but that Christmas or early December they would call them as dark horses for the league. We beat Dabi away. We'd won the Dabi around the field because Chelsea scored twice. We were absolutely flying and then things just tamed in the next minute. I think I was on my break then. I think you were because it was December wasn't it and then obviously but we were flying and then everything in typical Everton fashion as fans. Self destruct. We've always done it. We are still love the unluckiest club in the world. No one can tell we were not. We were league champions when both world wars broke out. Good. How can anyone say they're not? Look at the VR a couple of weeks ago in the Brighton game. Don't. You're absolutely right. You write yourself Sabotage and things started getting depression. We had obviously Joe Wentz and we had all of that. Howard Cumbach and everything else with that. That wasn't great. I don't think the great man had much money. Never had a lot of money. I think he brought in a place through the Lord divisions and they were quite worked to but we managed to survive, didn't we? There were two goals or something to it. What was that like to go into that Coventry? The Coventry game. It was probably the worst experience of your life, you know what I mean? I was the captain. I was going to say he made you the captain and they gave everyone a lift. I remember games like Bolton or Banzer. I remember your celebration with the... I think we never got beat off Liverpool that year either, don't you think? No, no. We beat them around soon, didn't we? We lost the Bayer Play Street 2. What did we? Diolch, Diolch, Diolch. Michael Branch started. But we ran them close in that. I think you were thinking of D before when Michael was there, missed the absolute centre. I can't remember that. I can't remember playing all these in the first time. That's why I'm saying... Michael Branch played off front. We scored after the KT6. Askord. That was a 1-1 when Michael was there. I'm sure it was under Howard. I'm sure it was under Howard. I'm sure it was under Howard. I'm sure it was under Howard. I'm sure it was under Howard. I'm sure it was under Howard. I'm thinking of the KT6, I can't think. That was the 1-1 there. You're thinking of the 1-1 and we might be 1-1. The 1-1 when I scored the right foot. I'm sure Howard was the manager there. Michael went down like that. Have we talked about that? The big slavum was in my back. There you go, you've learnt something. I was Howard. Howard was a manager. I'll eat the covers of Walter Smith's hand in the first half. I wasn't sure he couldn't have been happy. Michael went down. He knocked it down. So we got the 1-1 and we beat him 2-0 in the other place. That's not bad. It's not bad. It's not to cut all that out. We look like idiots now. It's just coming off memory. How did he manage to do it? He went like this. It's been a long time. We got Walter Smith coming in. There were things going on at the club. He thought he had more money. He bought a lot of players in at the time. We got a lot of players in. He knows some good signings. He was a bad player at the club. He was in a bad player at the club. John Collins coming in. He brought us back. So he was alright. But then obviously the saddest moment for us as fans was... Newcastle United at home. We got to the ground. The boom has started. As a fan it was just disbelief. For us as supporters you were the main player. For us, regardless of who else was around in that team. You don't be young as well. How old were you then? I was 20. I was like 17. You were 25 this company. I remember our kid. He was 21. He was distraught. It happened so quickly. I rung up Everton's club call. That's what you did then. I rung Everton's. No, no, no. The Castles and Freddy Shepard was like... Yeah, he's on his way up. We sorted the deal out and I was just... I had this picture on the wall. It was framed and I threw it down the stairs. I didn't realise it was glassing it. It bounced off every part of the wall. No, it was tough things on it. I just remember my overriding thing from that night. We won the game while nilding my ball. I just tried to make a ball score the penalty. The camera kept going to the executive box where you were sat. That's my overriding thing. He kept showing it. It was like, it's this real. I remember a new couple up there. They were just like, it looks like dunk's going on. It happened very quickly for myself as well. Obviously I didn't want to leave. I told the club that. It was in the uncertain terms. I needed a few quid, unfortunately. You were the most sensible asset. Once that happens, once you know the chairman's telling. I needed a few quid. If there's one positive that came out of it, what it did do is, though, as a fan. It gave Walter Smith the... It gave him the ammunition to have a go with the owner at the time. It was an owner fans didn't like, let's be honest. We ended up getting rid of it. I remember Christmas Day was confirmed, was it? That little camera writer took over. That was just why I liked it, wasn't it? That was like the start. It galvanised. It gave fans reason to go. Something's not right here. It was our favourite asset. I'm not even an asset. Favourite player, but our biggest asset. That attained the tide. Full of fans. We didn't have much. We were going to Tarleton on Saturday. I remember we won down at Tarleton. Two won. You scored two for Newcastleby. Two crappy goals as well. Two lucky goals. Doesn't matter. I remember someone asking you something about... ..what you feel about your goal. I don't know. The fans were cheering you. I don't know if you want to see how evident the car is. That came out at that time. That Duncan's looking for evident results. I think as fans, that showed to us. Just how much we meant to you. I tried to hold off for a few days before I signed. Maybe not many people. Probably nobody knows it. I didn't sign for Newcastleby. I held off for a couple of days. To see if things were going to change. To see if things were going to change. It didn't quite. I suppose good things did come in. We brought Kevin Campbell to the club in the end. We brought Kevin Campbell to the line that year. We had a good run. We scored a few goals. If you'd have stayed, you might have been in that position. No, no. You're absolutely right. Maybe the banks would have been knocking the door. I was that then because... ..you didn't really like talking to the press. You didn't talk to the press. You didn't talk to the press. I remember because you did the press conference. You went to talk. What was off? I found out. He wouldn't talk to the press for us. I did the press conference, didn't I? We're my own Jacqueline. Look at him talking to the press. What does he think he is now? People have got to train. I remember the only time I was ever fuming with you when you come back to Goddison. It was Newcastlebytus 2-0. You went in for a tackle with someone on the halfway. I don't know why I was surprised and why I expected any different from you because you gave everything you were playing for. You went in, you smashed someone on the halfway. Tough experience for me now. It was if. It was horrendous. Would you have classed yourself then? Even then as I never told you? You already had the tattoo, didn't you? Sailor Jacks 40 quid. Sailor Jacks 40 quid tattoo. Sailor Jacks 40 quid tattoo. The tattoo from Jacks as well. I'm saying from a fan's perspective. It was difficult as a fan to see you've run out with the Newcastle. Tough for me now. What's it like as a player? We're all very emotive as you well know now because you still know exactly what fans are like of any club. What's that like as a player? If you are a Nevitonian and you turn back up at Goddison it was horrendous. It was bad. All my mates are on the stand. All my mates, my family's there. We're in the hotel on Friday night and there's waiters coming up to me showing me their revamping tattoos and telling me they love me. Don't play well the more. It's everything. It's all going through your mind. And you didn't play well? No, that's good. They won't soon. It's turmoil, you know what I mean? Because you love the club. There's no change. It does for some players, doesn't it? I think that's why Nevitonians do hold you in that esteem because we could tell. I remember when Newcastle scored the second I don't even think you celebrate. I think you just jog back. I think it's hard. You cut between things. Of course you've got to do it. As a fan you... Believe it or not it was horrendous. It was horrendous. Let's forget it. We got to the summer and I was working at the club and there was rumours that you might be coming back. I just remember being like a big kid. Did you think you'd come back? Cos I always knew. I always felt I'd come back. I always knew. My buff couldn't settle anyway. She was the only fan. She was the only fan or is green. She didn't wait to sell in Newcastle. I thought you guys... The pigeons were a big thing, wasn't it? People dunking the hard man but looking at me with his little pigeon. That keeps me calm. Dunking at the pigeon. But that news came through and then I remember running out to the park ending. We just went to get a look at you even though we'd seen you. That was obviously great to be back, wasn't it? Oh, did that come about then? A phone call for the chairman. He phoned me up and said, I want you back. I went okay. It was quick as that. Got the contract, sorted it quickly. I walked away from Newcastle. Left a massive contract. Come back. I was done. It was quick as that. You have to think about it. Was the note even? You never go back? Was that never through your mind? No, it would be desperate to get back to bonus year. Obviously my missies and the other family were all made up. The bags were packed. Absolutely perfect. We played Leeds on the Saturday. We got beaten and you were on the bench. You didn't come off the bench. You got injured as you scored. You were out for like six weeks. No, six months. I got the scar there and left calf. But that was like literally. It was the most like dunk and fakes and things like that. Cos obviously the injuries were a massive part of your career. It killed half my career. So they talk about goals you have scored. I've only played the extra minute of games. You can't score goals lying on the treatment table, can you? Unfortunate lying on. Is it true that Mick Rathbone basically sought about all your injuries? Or was that just an injury at the time? Cos he sent you for an operation on your back. Did that clear up the persistent problem or was it just accumulation of everything? Or was it that one thing that really sorted you out? The physios were getting better back in the day. We just took injections, didn't we? We just basically took injections, you know what I mean? The first injury I ever got was a broken toe. My big toe. I broke my big toe in a fight in a pub called The Rock in Mingisill in Dundee. That was my first ever injury. It was my big toe. I broke it. It's like that now. It never got fixed. So to this day I think everything come from that big toe in that fight in The Rock in Mingisill in Dundee when I was 18. Cos it knocked your alignment off? In all later on people say you're not looking at your feet and you're on my toes like that. Cos it sits, doesn't it? I think it was all confident. I looked at my injury on the left hand side. That's what I thought it was. I showed you my scar and my sciatic nerve. I'm not quite sure if your views would be... It's like it's 380 there. Cos that's the bite, I mean it. It's like a 12 or 14 inch scar. It's like that doing the sciatic nerve. It's there. I mean maybe we'll see that a wee bit better. That was a calf one. You want me to show you the scar? I'll show you the scar but I don't know. It's up to you if you have the only one. Oh my God! It keeps on going. It keeps on going. That was a sciatic nerve. That was the calf. I've got ankles, knees. Obviously the fore operation of the hernias with the guinea pig with the mesh it ought to all get ripped toot in the end. I've got it, you know what I mean? Do you think your frame was part of the indies? Cos you're a bit glad at that. I think back then we didn't know about the core work and all that stuff, you know what I mean? I think all the party in Disney helped you. Disney helped you quite a lot. No it doesn't, I mean that's something else isn't it? We're all young isn't it? Back in the day then we're all doing, you know, going like that, things like that, you know what I mean? The positive things. I make my bum the buzz as well by that. I've been tall as well. I'm not as tall as you. I have terrible problems with my back and I have since I was a kid. I don't know, it seems... Yeah it could be, it's things like that. You're the big lad running around carrying it and especially you, you're jumping and landing. Any time you offer it, any, you're landing at you. So probably now they might have be able to do things in your boots. You know when they're yoga new and they're healthy and back then it was just coming in with it. You always look back in your life only if I did that or only if I did that. I mean I've got another 100 games, another 200 games, you know what I mean? That's guidance though isn't it? And that stuff as a coach you can pass on to other people now isn't it? I mean the great thing about it is the kids are getting more educated now. Back in the day it was a bit more, we were all through working class areas, we all came up with the schemes, we all went for the bottle of cider, we're all looking for the empty fag packet and they find a fag in the packet and that, you know what I mean? And since that there's no buzz in no 05-1 in places like the Cream Shot now as well. A bottle of cider would picker for a pound and that, you know what I mean? So I think it's all changing now, the kids are getting better educated now, the academy system, there's one good thing about them is they've got their education in there, they talk about their drugs, they talk about their booze, the kids are now living a cleaner life, you know what I mean? That's a bit good, but do you ever think that like you will have in any one of your day and in any one of your day, just playing in the streets, playing football on the streets, getting 25 a side against each other where you've got to have your wits about you? You think that's sometimes missing in the game now? Cos I do pace and I think I just look at the football eventually which you would have played. It's been against older kids. Getting kicks lumped to it, you know what I mean? You're getting battered by the kids, you're under concrete and older kids, age groups could be 60, 15, you know what I mean? Yes, I think that's a big thing. You see that when you see players who come over from South America who haven't had the background that our kids have got and you say, they die for the shit, they die for it. I think they've lost the street football, the kids have lost that aggression. People have got a better lifestyle now, they've got a bit more money, they've got the Xboxies, you know, my money, my kids are sitting in need, he's got the Xbox and people have changed on that. They're not getting chased by the police as much as we used to do. I used to think with the awareness as well, you know, we were always looking for things, you're looking the street and you're looking in, you're scanning, you're looking for cars and you're looking for everything. Kids are not getting that now. Kids can't even cross the road just now, can't even cross the road now because nobody knows used to being on the streets. Cos you're scared to let kids in the streets now you're getting body shot or getting stabbed on. This is the thing, isn't it? I mean, we've got this thing now we're almost blaming kids for the way they've been brought up, but everyone just wants their kids to have a better life than what they did in the South. We've made them almost soft because we want them. We all would have played in the streets for hours and hours and hours, but we played in our own streets and at that moment, as long as you don't break our windows, you knew everybody, everybody looked after you, your doors were open, you might pop in, you might, well, modern Scotland, that was a great upbringing, you know what I mean? The only thing you went back to, you see your mask, a piece of jam, a bit of bread and jam, you go and come back for your dinner, you know what I mean? You could shout it in at night, didn't you? You'd get shouted in the way you went. Pick up your jacket, there was a gold post in the way you went. The good old days, that's when men were men. They made the gold the whole day. I mean, I still had the PlayStation in and all those things. You've got to mix it. Back on, can we get back on? You had a PlayStation when you were a kid? I'm not that old. Hang on, I had Nintendo, Super Nintendo, PlayStation 1, PlayStation 2, PlayStation 3, PlayStation 4, I thought all of them. To be fair, I had. But I still played 40 all the time. I was still playing 40 in the streets when my eats were in pubs. I had no interest. I just wanted to play 40 because I thought this won't last forever. I loved it. I absolutely loved it. It doesn't last forever. Your body doesn't last forever first of all. But I actually loved it. When I went back, I went and played on my PlayStation. 40. Can we get back now? Move on. Obviously David Moyes comes in. We struggle and Walter goes. Middles by the way, Middles by the way. How was that? I was sat at Niv. I went to Portugal. I sat to the manager at the time. I didn't realise it. It might have been Moyes or something. It might have been Walter. Walter Middles by the way. I said to Walter, I'm struggling. My career is going to be finished here. I need to take drastic action. He said, what do you want to do? I said, I was a doctor in Portugal. I didn't want to go there. I didn't want to go there. He cost me £20,000. Cost you? That's interesting. He cost me £20,000. Obviously the club can't do anything for that. I said, no, I'll pay it. I went to short of Portugal for 10 days. I tried to get a sat at Niv. In that meantime the Middles by the game happened. And Walter was sat. I came back from Portugal. He was still there for a training session. He was taking one training session. He said, through respect to the club, that my coach would be here. He was a great fellow. Both were my diamonds by the way. Proper fellows. Great fellows. I took the training session. He left and Moyes came in. I came back from Portugal. Moyes pulled me up into his office. He said to me, he asked me about the club. I heard that I was the man in the dressing room. We needed to pull together. He wanted me to be the captain. Which was a great honour. To be the captain. He came in the way we went. You've come back from Portugal. Because of the problem. And then you play on the Saturday. One day's training. I've been in Portugal for the 10 days. Obviously before I went out there. I didn't get any training. Because the Saturday never was playing me up. So I probably came off my back. You've not been playing for a month. And just coming and playing. It's adrenaline, you know what I mean. It was amazing. We won the game. Graveson gets sent off. In the first half. And we hang on. And win the game. What did he get sent off for? Too stupid foul. He scored again. He fell off. And we did our best. We won the 4-3. We scored on that run. The next week we went to Newcastle. We ended up getting me to 6-2. But you scored. And we were winning. And then they brought Louie Louie on. And he just destroyed our back four. But at the end I remember. All our fans were standing up applauding us. Because Newcastle were a good side. You just gave everything to win the game of football. So fans applauded just. I remember it because when Moisey came in there was nine games to go. And I remember him saying to us we need to win. We need to stay up. No matter how we stay up we've got to stay up. And I said don't worry. I'll be in there. I'll be around. So we played the six. I played six games. And I think I got sent off in one of the games. And I missed the last three games. Bolton. Three goals in three games. We're flying. We got battered at Newcastle 6-2. And we had Bolton on the Monday. And Freddie Bow. He grabbed your ring. You let him know that you don't like to be grabbed. And off you went big man. But we won the game. And you say you played the games. And we got enough points. We seen Wayne Nooney in the squad. And he didn't get on with me to Sheldon. And we won it. We were coming towards what seemed to be the end. But we had that. The season we finished fourth. And you were... You know we talked about your best ever performance was against Newcastle. But when we beat Manchester United at home. And you scored a dive on it. Your dad injured his as well. But that night you were just unbelievable. Real fed and bounced out like he was the man. And you just gave him. You just reminded him that. You were the man. It was my last big performance I was thinking. That was my last big one. You know what I mean? You scored a brilliant setter. And you scored again on the set against Birmingham? He came on the show against Birmingham. My legs had gone by then. I remember that big man against Manchester United. I couldn't recover. I never recovered from the manager saying to me. You know you're no recoverer. He said we'll put you in the bench. He said you know I'm trying to get yourself back on. At that time I was coming off the bench quite a bit. You were playing against Norwich? Well that's the fault that you've shivered us over the head. It was the Norwich game you scored a brilliant setter. We were winning 2-0. Dip all the back to 2-2 when you came on and got it head. I think it worked well that year when we came forward. It worked well because I was getting 20-30 minutes. Obviously the opposition here was coming on. Your team you were coming on. The fans here was coming on. I could give that 20-30 minutes. Ex-a-boosting. We finished fourth and it's outstanding. It's the Champions League and everything else. I can't have your ear in Norwich. Fyll o'r real. Fyll o'r real. I started that game. We played them at Goodison, hadn't we? Lost 2-1 around me. I remember the first 30 seconds of the game. He blew up for a free kick for me for no reason. I knew it was going to be a heavy night for me. Obviously he knew my reputation. I suppose he probably went before me. There was loads of games like that. There wasn't a way reputation went before. You never got the rubber to green. But this was the ultimate one. You never had a 30-second of ball golf play. I held off and he blew the whistle. You were like, what happened? Did you know then? As fans we were like, we've got cleaner. It's going to be sand. I think he came out of the timing for that game or something. He went back into the timing after the game. He came out of the timing and went back into the timing. It was a poor decision. He was wrong. You score a brilliant header. There's nothing wrong with it. That would have put us level in the game. He was rocking. He went on the ruptid and he was equalised. You score a 3-3. I thought it was 3-3. We would have gone on further. We would have been 3-3 and then we would have gone on. I still fit to this day. You can't believe it. You had nothing wrong with that. Not a thing. I think I said it at the time. I basically don't know what he said to me. He said something marking his bent or something. He was talking 10 yards away from the thing. Felly mae'r llwyaf wedi ei fod yn gwneud, wedi hwn ystod yng ngyfyrdd, rydyn yn gwneud gofynodd. Rydych chi. Dwy oedd oedd oedd yn rheiddiwyr gwir. Dwi'n ymgyrch i gyd, a� difficult. Rwy'n rhaid i gyd yn fawr. Rwy'n 가�u chyfllideb Casio Aberose, yn gwych. Rwy'n fawr i gyd, i gyd yn fawr i gyd ac mae'n gwych. Rwy'n gwych chi bod ymgyrch chi gyd yn ymwneud cynnangor. Yna dwi wedi gweithio ymlaen. Dwi'n gweithio'r ddarparu i dyn am y bydd yw'r ysgol, dwi'n gweithio'r ddiffin i'ch gweithio'r ddiffin. Felly, mae'r ddindig yn dda i fynd i gyd. Mae'n gweithio'n ddiffin i'ch gwybod hwn. Mae'r ddindig, fel y byddai'n gwybod fel Ysgol, mae'n gweithio'r ddindig yn meddwl. A passengers dyna, mae'n gweithio'r ddindig i gyd yn ddiffin i'ch ddindig. Onw'r cent, ond not agenry... Yn dweud, mae'r clasig chwil, dwi'n s 결wng. Nid oedd wedi bod yn dafyn yn fawr. Yn dweud, mae'r clasig i gyd wedi gweithio. Rwy'n cais ei ddangani. Byddwn yn rhan o'r moment ar hayn, mae'n credu am y ddechrau'n ddechrau. Alysio y mynd i ddod o'r fan. Dwi'n credu i'n ddweud. Fe yw'r cyffredin. Mae'n gweithio'n amser i'r rhai. Fel hwnna. Mae'n ddweud. E'n gwybod ddisgoedden tariffad. Dwi'n ddim yn ddedigion sydd eich rŵwn. Dwi'n ddedigion sydd eich rŵwn. Dwi'n ddedigion sydd eich rŵwn i'n ddiforig. Dwi'n ddedigion ac rwy'n ddifordi'n sgwrtio. Rwy'n tyfu sydd eich ddifordi – Cyngor o'r rhwng mae'r gwn i, ac yn ychydig yn fawr, yw'r rhwng? Felly, fydd yn fawr, yw'r rhwng yma, ac mae'r cyngor yng Nghymru? Roedden nhw'n rhoi'n gwneud i'r rhwng, ac yn fwy o'r rhan o'r rhwng. Felly, yn fawr, mae'r rhwng yn ddwyng. Mae'r rhwng yn fawr, i'r rhwng yn fawr, a'r rhwng yn fawr. Ond eu bod yn ymgrifesynodd yn gyfweld, mae'r ysgol yn ymgyrch yn ddiw i'r rhwng. I don't feel right. I came on against a team. I came off the bench. I never quite made the impact I had been making. I was a proud guy and I thought to myself this is not quite working out as much as it had been in the previous season. I got an extra year in the manager. I gave him an extra year on the back of coming forth because I was making an impact. I think I can do another 12 months of this. I thought in within myself I was coming to the end. I wanted to go to Everton. I wanted to go to the top. I didn't want to drift in the leagues. In fact, I got two opportunities to be in the Premier League, which are not back. I wanted to finish at Everton. I thought I was coming to my end really, even though I knew I could have still played on. I thought I wanted to remember myself as a good player. I know as a journeyman. At the time it wasn't really painted like that though. It was painted as like you wanted another year. No, but that's what I'm saying. Until you just said that, it was painted as like you wanted another year. No one told you that they were letting you go? No, nobody did tell me. My favourite thing to say to me was that we wanted to take another year. It would be something. I took it. We wanted to pray 20 minutes and no one would come on. I probably went for that. Did you feel yourself it wasn't right? I thought I was starting to come to the end to be honest. Although nobody had really told me, I spoke to the manager at Christmas time and said look, I went to him and said look, I'm no happy with where he's gone. And he was like God, I might have done a respect for what you're saying, you know. I want to make an impact. I want to remember myself as a good player. I don't want to be a liability. So although nothing was said to me, obviously when they made the captain in the back and you know, you see if it's coming, you know what I mean. So I got to make sure I got my kids done at the time. It was a bit rushed, but maybe these things are rushed. It always ends. No quite scripted, but Mines was brilliant because actually I got the happy honour, I got the family out in the pitch. The fans realised what had happened, so I got that send off. No, no, no, no. You got the penalty. It's true, no? I just remember, who was it? James McFadden took the ball. It wasn't the greatest penalty in the world. It wasn't the greatest finish either. But it went in and it said Duncan Fakes. It doesn't say Penalty, it says Duncan Fakes and goal. I remember my brother sat next to me and he was just like, don't miss. No matter what happened. I'm more nervous for that penalty in a game that meant nothing. Believe me mate, my head was pounding at my shot. I had to what I was going to say. So what was it like for you? Cos you'd obviously realised at that stage, this is the last game I'm going to play. And I was the only penalties and obviously this is what's happened, isn't it? But when you came back, you'd started taking penalties and I couldn't. And they were brilliant and I was like, where did this go from? Yeah, I should have maintained them cos what happened when we were going back to that is, I missed a penalty when I was a kid. I was only about 17 or 18 and I was no penalty then. But we'd signed a guy for Duncan United, an Argentinian boy who was meant to go in the penalties. We got a penalty in the first ten minutes, an Argentinian boy decides not to take it. I had scored like eight goals in eight games, I said I'll take it. I'd never took a penalty in my life, I'll take it and I missed it. It was 18. The goalie never moved, I screwed it by the post. I went Jesus, I'm crap at penalties now and on. I said I'm very good. So if you think you're crap, you don't take them. So there's always somebody else taking penalties. So I didn't have one. Eventually I got to a certain age, I said you know I should be taking penalties here. I think it was Walters, one of Walters' first games, maybe doing it to Chalton. He says we need a penalty taker. I went I'll take them, he said you don't take them. I said well I'm going to start taking them. I started taking the penalties then. Did you think, when did you decide you were a free kicker? Because you remember you're hitting the bar against Liverpool? Well, it was the same thing. Because I had a good left foot, me because I was always running for heading. But I actually had a good left foot. And we're taking free kicks at Finfarn. I think Andy Hynsgriffe was taking free kicks into Neff and I said I'll take some of them. So me and Andy Hynsgriffe would be taking free kicks into Neff. And I'd be scoring a few. I'd be more than Andy was scoring at the time. I said I can take these. I mean so I think I took one. In a Derby game, big Stubsies run about 50 yards doing that pitch to take this penalty. Eh, that's free kick. He's run away doing that and I'm there the ball thing. I'm taking this. And he starts to run, I think he's going to hit it and I'm just going to doosh. And it actually scored for him. You must mean you and Lee Carsley. Because when Lee Carsley started taking free kicks as well, the hell's going on here? Of course if you take penalties through your career, you get another 50, 60 goals in your career top, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. But you could not be as a footballer, as a player forever, and you could not have been written any better for your last game. Probably my last kick. You score, you go home, you walk around with your family, we're all crying. You've got the thing round your neck, right down here and all that. It was emotional. Iconic. So what was your life like for you just doing that lap up on it? That was meant to ring to me. Because obviously you get the lap on it because some players don't get it today. And I've got the family we met and I could see all the fans, you know what I mean? I was in bits to be honest with you. This is your last day on a pitch, you know what I mean? And it hits you. It was emotional. Very emotional at the time. I remember I met you in the players' lounge afterwards because somewhere I got us a couple of players. We were getting married that moment and somewhere I got us a couple of tickets for the players' lounge and I remember meeting you afterwards and you just looked like this is it. No, this is the end. This is all done. That is it. Thanks, Duncan. That is it for part one. In part two we'll be looking at Duncan's coaching career and everything else he does forever. So make sure you join us for that one.