 Show on channel five. Oh, that's what it's TV. It's not even radio. What the I can't believe Thank you so much for tuning into the video guys This is actually a follow-on video from a debate that I did last year in January If you have not yet gone to watch that video, please click the link down below and then come back to this video Because it follows on perfectly What's going on everyone? Welcome to another video. So I'm excited. I'm actually really excited because Jeremy Vine is About to call well his producers are about to call and I'm about to go on the show again now This is a very big radio station I'm fairly sure because the last time I was on Jeremy Vine. They said there was seven million people listening So that is absolutely huge shut up. This one's just as big. I'll find out after but yeah They just emailed me today and it's really weird because I was just thinking about that interview I did with Jeremy Vine last time. It was one of the most controversial Interviews I've ever done. It was very polarizing in the community. Well, you didn't answer the question is it's a high welfare slaughter for a dog Okay, you know people were saying my conduct was aggressive. I've definitely got the message across in it though Are you the victim in this situation? They're about to call. I thought I would start filming the video now Just tell you how I'm feeling and they want to talk about the Sausage roll that Greg's are bringing out today So I think it it sort of hits the stores in over 950 stores in the UK today in time for the January the January is Really going off. I mean it's on course to hit its target of 300,000 sign-ups with about 10,000 people signing up a day. That's huge. It's absolutely huge. I mean Jeremy Vine He sort of poked a bit of fun at me last time saying like is that vegans do seem to be very angry Yeah, you'd be angry too of our dogs in the back of that truck. Why are you so angry about the whole thing? I don't know whether you're angry today or just generally about the whole thing I was saying I'm a little upset that you've got a ham sandwich on your table Well, I'm a bit upset to see your sandwich has a piece of a pig's body in there. So maybe we should ask um Jeremy today If he's got a ham sandwich on the table or if In the spirit of the January he has a sausage roll from Greg's we'll have to see we'll have to wait and see Okay, okay, they're cool and they're cool Hello Yeah, Joey Capstrong speaking Yes, can you hear me clearly? Yeah before the break we asked according to a survey how many vegans are there in the UK the answer is see three and a half million I don't believe we have any vegans today. You're a vegetarian But we are maybe we'll talk to one jolly, but first the bakery chain Greg's has today started selling what it calls a vegan friendly version of the sausage roll This follows news that McDonald's best known for its burgers is selling vegetarian happy meals for children These are all contributions to the barely pronounceable Veganery the campaign to go vegan in January Veganery and maybe for the rest of their lives if it goes well Greg sells one and a half million sausage rolls every week It's best-selling item and says it is now responding to consumer demand So what do our panellists think about this firstly Nihal? Do you think this is a good idea? Well, it's I'm just looking at the stats here and it's got less calories. It's got less fat It's got more protein. It's got slightly more salt, which makes you wonder how they make it taste as they do Do you remember back in the days if someone said they were a vegan? It was I might as well said they were a Jedi. I mean it was so kind of weird people would just think good Lord Have you heard Hugo's son? It's become vegan But now it's so mainstream I think Lewis Hamilton is a vegan David Hayes the box is a vegan the brilliant comedian Ramesh Ranganathan is a Is a vegan and as you saw the stats, you know millions of people are now becoming vegan I was there used to all be vegetarian vegetarian You don't eat meat and fish but even a vegetarian thing was seen as you know Certain people would say I was tree hugging and all that kind of stuff But it proves and also was there and perhaps you can tell me doctor that there was an idea Wasn't there back in the days that suddenly if you went to a vegetarian diet or vegan diet You wouldn't be getting the vitamins. Oh, absolutely get all that but that's It's not necessarily true, but if you are a vegan It is harder to get all the nutrients that you need and particularly for instance for young women who have heavy periods with Iron for older people. It might be more of an issue with calcium So if you are a vegan then with a bit of planning you can have a perfectly balanced. Okay a balanced diet in no parallel universe Includes a sausage roll We've got some sausage rolls so I think I should bring them to the audience do a little taste test here Okay, we won't give any of them to anyone who is vegetarian so vegan, so you're off the hook here storm But I've got two plates here one set is Meat and one set is vegan and I'm not saying which is which and what we'll do here Is we'll give one set of sausage rolls to this side of the audience, okay on the right so storm Could you distribute them? Yeah, could it everyone happy to eat take one? Take one tuck in another set of sausage rolls to this side of the audience, please And we just want to see if you can work out Exactly what's going on with the sausage rolls do pass them around So I think it's good that if it's consumer demand and people are worried about the welfare of animals And they feel more comfortable eating so that hasn't used an animal in I think that's fine But as part of a healthy diet, it's a treat only it's definitely not something okay, even even the V1 So are you enjoying it audience? Okay? And we don't at the moment know which is meat and which is vegan and I'm gonna just talk about that in a second I reveal all but meanwhile on the phone We've got the animal rights activist vegan campaign of Joey Carp strong Joey is there a problem here with too many people becoming vegan not a problem at all Jeremy And I'm glad you've got some vegan sausage rolls on the table and not a ham sandwich this time, but I'm very sorry happy at this I'm very happy with how many vegans there are in the UK at the moment for sure. What do you think of the vegan sausage roll? I think it's amazing I mean obviously there's a lot of cruelty in animal products and pigs a gas chamber and stab to death for the other Sausage rolls so an ethical choice Is always best is it Joey is it if I eat a sausage roll and meet one Is it wrong if I don't bear in mind what happened to the animal that created it? Is that the problem here? willful ignorance is kind of what drives these industries and it's what they rely on so I would be more conscious of what you're consuming and the animal that lost their life for that Sausage roll and just go for the vegan stuff. There's plenty of vegan options in the UK now It's absolutely blowing up over there. It's great. What's wrong with killing animals and eating them There's many things wrong with killing a sentient animal and eating them when we have alternatives It's you know an injustice to take someone's life from them It's causing the leading killer of human beings, which is heart disease and it's destroying the environment animal Animal agriculture is destroying the environment. So the science and evidence is very clear on that Thanks, Jerry. Have a good day. Peace to you mate. There we are. Jerry come strong He's referenced the ham sandwich last time his real surname. I'm guess no I in last time I interviewed him. I did have a ham sandwich in on the table and what you didn't ask him was is it healthy? Because is that I think I think you've answered that with your I mentioned what a vegan would say though. Yeah He's gone now. I should have asked him if it I don't think anyone could argue a sausage roll is healthy I don't think anyone would argue that even carb strong over there is a sausage roll. Is it created by? Mincing the meat and and and we wear because I've heard the idea that the meat is sort of sprayed off the animal with a jet And oh, yeah, it's it's not nice. Oh, we may be even don't want to this is what Joey says. We don't we can't bear to talk about it I appreciate the time that you gave me and thank you very much Bye-bye. Well, there we go. I mean that was really quick. I had about four sentences Squeezing what I could in those four sentences and I could have said more I could have said sign up to be January, which I'm a little bit upset a little bit that I didn't save sign up to be January But you know, we've got the message of the gas chambers and pigs being stabbed and they shouldn't be harmed and killed when we Have alternatives go for the vegan alternatives It's not it's quite a simple message isn't it? So I think to say in quite a simple way is always best, but anyways We'll see how that little interview when I mean it was only like three minutes But it's still got the message out and we'll see how many listeners, you know, maybe we can actually see It's just channel five the radio Let's see viewing figures. I think it was TV. What's it TV? What the hell? Is that tea was on TV? Oh my god one second here Let's just look at the email for a show on channel five. Oh That's it's TV It's not even radio. What the I can't believe It's a it's a chat and it's a show. Oh my god It's a TV show dude. Oh my god. I can't believe this ITN productions Look I Cannot believe that that was a TV show. I was just I'm tripping out It channel for it was a TV show guys Yeah, that that is it that is that is funny. I was just on TV How cool is that?