 Later mckay. Can you please conduct a mic and video check? Howdy. Can you hear and see me? I raise you loud and clear. Thank you, sir Thank you Zoning administrator Murray. Can you please conduct a mic and video check? Can you see me now? Can you hear me now? Perfect to hear you loud and clear. Thanks a lot Thank you. Hello everybody. Kyle. Are you there? I can hear you loud and clear Well, I just realized we're actually a couple minutes past five o'clock and I was just doing a last minute review of something and So I'd like to go ahead and start the meeting. Are you good to go? We are good to go Fantastic then. Hello everyone. I apologize for the delay in the start My name is Susie Murray and I want to welcome you to a special zoning administrator meeting on January 25th, so Before I call the meeting to order, I want to read some things some Access information that people may want to grab a pencil for and write this down in case you have any Problems speaking on zoom you can call in So I'll start reading and give you a couple seconds here to grab your pencils So pursuant to government code section 54953 Subsection E and the recommendation of the health officer of Sonoma County The zoning administrator will be participating in this meeting by a zoom webinar members of the public can participate virtually at www.zoom.us slash Join or By calling toll free and this is the first number. You want to write down eight seven seven eight five three five two five seven and you'll need the meeting ID number Which is eight two eight seven four six two seven nine one five Public accessing the meeting through zoom can provide comments during the public comment periods Additional information related to the meeting participation is available at www.srcity Dot or G slash zoning admin This meeting will also be live streamed at YouTube comm slash city of Santa Rosa So with that, I'm going to call the meeting to order at 509 The second item on the agenda is a public comment period And this is a time when any member of the public wishing to make a comment About non agenda items. So not about the housing development on the agenda And You can you can bring up you can you can you have three you're three minutes to Make public comments. Just go ahead and raise your hand Kyle. I'll let you give the instructions on that If you wish to make a public comment via zoom, please raise your hand The raise your hand icon is located at the bottom of the zoom screen If you are dialing in via telephone, please dial star nine to raise your hand and star six to a mute once called upon Do we have any raised hands? We have no raised hands at this time. So I'm administrator hurry. Thank you So my name is Susie Murray and I'm the zoning administrator this afternoon. I You can call me zoning administrator Murray I prefer Susie But either works for me I want to read you the statement of purpose for the zoning administrator The zoning administrator is appointed by the planning and economic development Directory and has the responsibility and authority to conduct public meetings and hearings and to take action on minor and reduced review authority discretionary applications a Decision by the zoning administrator may be appealed to the design review board cultural heritage board planning commission or city council is applicable to the decision Within ten calendar days of the action Gosh, and I don't know what that date is Hold on Ten calendar days we have one They can't it would fall on to February 4th and because February 4th is a weekend the appeal period would end on on Monday February 6th So Appeal applications for decisions made this evening Maybe appealed and the application must be received no later than Monday February 6th so moving on the agenda to Zoning administrator reports, I don't have anything to add and we have no consent items this evening Which oh, you know what I didn't open the public comment period, so I'm gonna go ahead and open up I We did I've told you about the public comment period, but I didn't open it up And yes, I did and Kyle you told me there was nobody there. I'll get it together here right about now So let me get my agenda up here Okay, so the first Item is bear with me folks. I'm having an issue here. Here we go The scheduled item item 3.0 public hearing is for 1650 West Steel Lane Apartments Eir previously certified by council. This is a planning project The file number is PRJ 21-010 And the planner is Connor McKay and I will turn it over to Connor to make a presentation Good afternoon as only administrator Murray. I will not share my screen Screen and hear me great So, yeah, thanks for the introduction my name is Connor McKay senior planner I'm happy to be here this afternoon to present the West Steel Lane Apartments project proposed to be located at 1-6-5-0 West Steel Lane For minor design review approval for the construction of a 36 unit three-story apartment complex Additionally, the project includes a request for minor conditional use permit approval for a supplemental density bonus And just just to describe the affordability components that are proposed Three one-bedroom units available to very low income households and one three-bedroom unit available to very low income households The project proposes 15 market rate units that are allowed by the base density nine market rate units that would be allowed pursuant to state density bonus and eight market rate units allowed Pursuant to these requested supplemental density bonus The director has approved a state density bonus application for the project allowing the project to increase the unit count by 35% base density The request for supplemental density bonus for the minor conditional use permit would allow the project to increase the number of units by an additional 65% achieving a total of 100% increase beyond the base density Which is 36 units total Connor can I interrupt first act we're getting some feedback with Um, I've been able to understand everything but it's difficult Is that in any way better that sounds better already. Yeah, okay great. Sorry about that. That's okay um, so the project has been approved for three concessions which are standard zoning code requirements These concessions include building setbacks. So a reduction of Five feet of for the side yard on the east property line That would allow a proposed automated parking structure to be located five feet from the property line Where typically would be required to be located 10 feet from the property Property line is shared with an existing neighborhood shopping center Um, the second concession that has been approved as part of the state density bonus Approval is an increase of maximum building height from 35 feet to 45 feet The applicant requested this concession to achieve the proposed density and achieve economic feasibility for the development of the project Finally the project has been approved for a parking concession that would reduce The number of required parking spaces from 52 spaces to 36 spaces. Like I mentioned part of the Parking space total would be located within an automated parking structure So the applicant has contracted with WTrans to repair a traffic study which includes a parking analysis The proposed project includes a variety of measures To reduce anticipated parking demand and we have a WTrans staff member available to answer any questions about parking demand and the analysis associated with that And additionally the state assembly of california has adopted assembly bill 2097 that prevents local jurisdictions from opposing or enforcing on-site parking requirements The bill also prevents a review authority's ability I'm sorry it Prevents local jurisdictions from opposing or enforcing on-site parking requirements For projects located within one half mile of a light rail station in this case The project is within one half mile of the north santa rosa smart station um, so assembly bill 2097 also prevents a review authority's ability to deny a project based on lack of on-site parking Unless specific findings can be made in writing within 30 days of receipt of a completed application That not requiring parking would have a substantially negative impact on the city's ability to meet its share of housing needs Or existing residential or commercial parking within one half mile of the site And the city did not make such findings in writing within 30 days of receipt of a completed application um So a bit of project history. Um, this project came in um at the beginning of 2020 or even at the end of 2019 we held the neighborhood meeting in january on january 15th 2020 We had approximately 10 cities and they expressed Pretty much the consensus was that There was concern about the increase of residential density in the area And that the lack of parking available availability for the project would also result in issues On march 5th 2020 the project received concept design review by the design review board um, the drb For the design review bar provided comments about the design concept that are That are bulleted in the resolution that is included in the item packet additionally The Summary of their consideration and incorporation Of those comments that were provided at concept design review And that attachment is listed as attachment seven in the item packet um, finally Design review board chair drew weigel is present to discuss those comments in the applicant's consideration Um, as there is a relate to the design that is presented this evening Um on january 19th of 2023 We held a zoning administrator meeting that originally had this item on the agenda But was continued to today to hold meeting the public hearing at 5 p.m Here we have an aerial of the site as you can see the project site is currently undeveloped Here we have neighborhood context. So as you look around I've identified major landmarks in the area You'll note that immediately to the east. I mentioned that shopping center Um, and then within a short walk is caught in town mall, which has a grocery store and a variety of everyday residential needs Additionally across the street is snoopy's home ice and down the street is the charlotte's schuld museum in addition to the children's museum And there's also a church at the corner Um, northeast of the project site The zoning of the proposed project site is r315 station area combining district um That means that multifamily was envisioned as a right as a land use at this location and is such allowed by right so Um, the project is also located within the north station priority development area Which reduces any projects that would constitute major design review to minor design review Hence the special meeting at the zea this evening at the zoning administrator Let's see And similarly the project site is designated general as designated for medium density residential Which would allow 18 units per acre Um, as I mentioned the project has Received a state density bonus and is requesting a supplemental density bonus to increase that density to result in a total unit count of 36 units Here we have a site plan Of the proposed residential development as you can see the projects the project includes Residential structures that are surrounding a courtyard And there's a plaza to the northwest of the project site And I will kind of flip through some elevations now I'm going to defer a lot of the architectural Discussion to the project's architect but um, generally as I summarize in the resolution for the project The applicant took Careful care to incorporate design guidelines that are present that are applicable citywide And design guidelines that are specific to the north santa rosa station area specific Here we have a rendering from steel lane and hardy's lane looking down Meadowbrook As you can see that plaza is kind of at the entry of the project Here we have the internal courtyard So as it relates to environmental review the project has been Reviewed to be in compliance with the california environmental quality act or cqa So as part of the adoption of the north santa rosa station area specific plan an environmental impact report was prepared And to analyze the impacts of this project in addendum to the eir to that eir was prepared pursuant to sqa guidelines section 15164 Which concludes that the proposed project would not cause new or substantial increases in severity of significant environmental effects This addendum to the eir was supported by a variety of technical studies And i've been included as attachments to the addendum which is included in the item packet as well We've seen a variety of public comments Throughout this process. I've mentioned some at the The neighborhood meeting phase and I also at this point would like to mention that Staff elected to double the radius that postcards were sent out Which would typically be required by the zoning code So typically we would send out notices to property owners and residents within 600 feet but given the public comment we received and just for the sake of general transparency Staff elected to increase that to 1200 feet within the project site So this is The summary of the project of the public comments we received about the project The most common public comment we received is concerns about insufficient parking on site and I will go into that A bit I mean, I kind of discussed that as part of the concession And like I said a staff member from w trans is available to answer questions and respond to comments about that And all of these public comments have been included as attachment 10 of the item packet And I also want to mention that we received staff received an email shortly after noon today, which is the deadline to provide late correspondence to add to the agenda and that comment reflected Echoing previous concerns about insufficient parking being available on site So here are the required findings for a minor conditional use permit Um, staff can make the required required findings for recommending approval The project would provide 36 high quality residential units served by a neighborhood shopping Center directly to the east of the project and Cottingtown mall a short walk away to the southeast The project is also within one half mile of the smart station Which provides transportation to the santa rosa airport downtown santa rosa and the broader north bay area um, additionally Sorry, I've got My notes are a little tornado-y um So as it relates to the extra required findings related to supplemental density bonus Um, the project proposes to dedicate 11 of its units for very low income households and and earning Which for very low income households which earn less than 50 of Sonoma county's area median income Which grants 60 of the eligibility points um Additionally the project proposes that one of the four Units dedicated to very low income households be a Three bedroom unit which constitutes meets the criteria of a family-sized rental unit Which is established by table 3.4 of zoning code section 20 31070 So they do meet the number of required eligibility points that is established by the zoning code For those two reasons um Here are the required findings for a minor design review Staff can make the required findings to recommend approval of the minor design review um As summarized in the resolution the project design incorporates like I mentioned many north santa rosa stationery specific planning design guidelines Um, I also mentioned that the traffic study was prepared And this traffic study concluded that we should anticipate the generation of 17 a.m. And 20 p.m. Tree trips Um, so those are those peak hours and the number of trips that are anticipated to be generated by the project in those peak hours Um, the project is also consistent with city council's goals to provide housing for all and to facilitate transit oriented development It is recommended by the planning and economic development department of the zoning administrator I'm approved minor design review and a minor conditional use permit to allow the construction of a 36 unit apartment complex located at 1650 West steel lane And i'm available for any questions at this point. Um, I know the project architect is interested in making a presentation as well um Would you like do you have any questions for staff or do you want to move forward to the advocate presentation? I actually have two questions um for staff um Backing up to slide three You notice something that didn't make sense to me um, is it 18 market rate units are allowed with the base density? or 15 If we're getting I think I think it's a the base density Is higher because that doesn't add up. I just checked this. Um Um It's because it's an acre and it's medium density residential And I think medium density residential allows 8 to 18 units per acre. That's correct. Um, I had some I know and it's less than an acre Right. I think the issue is that I counted backwards from the total number of units and attributed units to each respective density bonus and then whatever was left over I attributed to the base density if that makes sense Okay For whatever I just wanted to clarify on the slide because I've done the math and and it works um, I'm comfortable with that but I wanted others to hear it and then um That was the one that I have Um Right now I'm going to ask after I hear from the applicant. Um, if they don't cover it what traffic improvements Are the project is conditioned with but I'll hear the next presentation first Great, and I will um share that slide presentation now Thank you Okay, great. Shall I introduce myself Susie? Yes, please um, my name is Ingrid Anderson And um, we are the project architects of this project I'd like to also introduce the owner of the project the developer Patrick O'Neill of McBride Lane Apartments LLC to Make a brief statement first if he's available Can you hear me? This is Patrick O'Neill Yes, we can Oh good evening zoning administrator and Connor um I looked at this project Three years ago four years ago and I started working with um heads path architects And I liked the project because I have other apartment buildings in the area on McBride Lane Apartments, and I liked what everybody did with Cottington Mall and then the smart tram that comes all the way down to Marin And I like particularly this plot of land across in the Snoopy ice rink and All of the areas and everything that Santa Rosa has been able to Do to the city because No Santa Rosa used to be very far away from San Francisco, but no it hasn't so it's like, uh It's like one of them Diamonds that you keep polishing it gets better and better and better and then the fact that this project come along and the view from the city and the City planners that we've met through a process of this was very Delighted that something will be done with this parcel and also to provide more housing to Santa Rosa and at some day We're having the smart train close by and we would encourage people to take care of the environments and use bicycles and trains and The walking distance of Cottington Mall and everything else leaned itself So this project to be start a kind of a new beginning of like Yes cars and parking and all is a big issue for this project But at some point we need to start thinking okay We need to encourage people not to be in the cars and get them out doors and all that stuff so I do a lot of Projects in San Francisco like I do high-end Historic homes in San Francisco all the queen islands the Victorians and all that stuff so me and Ingrid and Warren at the time had spent a lot of time trying to bring something nice to This project so you could look back on 50 60 years Just like you do with the old buildings in the city and in Europe And go somebody got this thing right they put a little heart and care into it And they are welcoming people to come and live in this beautiful building and Santa Rosa can look at this building and go with the state density and the You know desire need for housing to look at the application and go Yeah This is a well constructed well designed Project and it meets all the criteria and at some point we do have to move to the Idea that people won't use cars anymore Like you see it all over Europe right now And this project for sure definitely lands south and I'm excited to get it built and give you guys You know 36 units and with the low income and stuff and you know, I'm gonna be around for the next 60 years maybe So the idea is to build something that facilitates everybody's needs but more importantly it looks towards the future Of housing and Santa Rosa Did we get that? Hello, we got it. Thank you very much. Thank you Patrick. Thank you um, I also would like um, Callum Callum or one of the other staff members at Generation Housing to have the opportunity to speak on behalf of the project they also have an endorsement that They the way to make Can can we do that? After with public comment Ingrid, I'd really like to see the presentation. Oh sure. Okay. No problem. Yeah Okay, um Well, as conor said, this is a 36 unit project And the goal here was to build a project that was aligned with them the policy to build housing in communities where In neighborhoods where transit And high quality transit is nearby Santa Rosa doesn't have a lot of 15 minute bus stops or High-speed rail for instance, but in Coddington mall We are this part parcel is half a mile away from two major bus lines that Run from the Coddington transit hub to the downtown transit hub And it is less than half a mile away from the smart train station that can take commuters up to the north county or down to marin and Onwards by other means Also The project is meant to provide equitable housing with a mix of income levels The low income units are for designated as very low income. So 50 percent or less of am I And as conor mentioned, one of them is a large family unit which isn't always common in The mix of units offered for affordable housing in market rate projects like this Our goal here is to provide housing for people of all ages and abilities and income levels and backgrounds to enrich the diversity of Communities that live in this area and also provide very high quality housing for those people The parking concern Has been addressed by a study by w trans which concluded that With the empirical data available That the project would be parked adequately with 35 parking spaces and so therefore the designers myself included um created a design in which Each unit would have one parking space available to it And this would be supplemented by The availability of secure bike parking for every unit um short term bike parking in racks and um Also the pedestrian oriented location of the project We took care to create a pedestrian friendly activated street frontage on Meadowbrook and Steel Lane to Make the experience of living here and walking to and from the various institutions and retail and business places A rich experience And a good urban experience for its residents and for the people who live here We can go through the slides now McConnor if you want This is uh by the way this um we can if you want to could you back up if I should have introduced The the picture in the center is the entry plaza. It's a raised plaza to give you a sense of um privacy and Being removed from the busyness of the street at West Steel Lane, but still open to the street It's a place where people can wait for guests or Watch for people who are coming by to meet them And without an inside from on the right side of the screen You see the interior courtyard that the outside plaza leads to and that's a more secure quieter space that is A realm just for the residents of the project You can sort of see on the picture to the right that there are little alleyways that Provide a gradient of privacy As uh residents make their way into their apartments, which are in three separate buildings Next slide, please and this is just an diagram of the quarter of the half mile and one mile markers for locations of Attractions and amenities and Retail business and other available Places to visit and use for the residents Next slide And these are photos of the surrounding neighborhood The ice rink is directly across and We wanted to keep the architecture of the project in keeping with some of the traditional More traditional arch the residential architecture that exists in the neighborhood Therefore, although the top of structural plate at the three-story buildings is 30 feet The ridge line Is a Ridge line of 5 and 12 and 6 and 12 and so that would take it take the top of the highest peaks up to 45 feet Next slide and this is a site plan Showing some zoning information next slide This is the ground floor plan And there are quite a few unit types. There are two bedroom one bedroom and three bedroom units But there's a wide variety of a unit types to accommodate the different needs of different families There's also residential storage and a leasing office at the ground floor And a laundry room and lobby space Next slide An apartment straddles the the archway The that connects the ground floor plaza to the courtyard inside So that there are two floors of residential apartments above that and those are Probably the largest units But we took care to create units that were Could accommodate furniture in a usable way These are walk-up apartments though. They are not elevator apartments. Just the ground floor units are Accessible and next slide and this is level three Finally, could you could you show the next slide please garner? and the roof plan we will be Concealing the mechanical equipment and wells at the at the top floor at the roof By cutting into the roof ridges in the centers of the buildings So that we could there that's probably where we'll put the condensing units for the heating and cooling systems next slide And these are the unit types and the next slide Again, these are larger ones These the the unit type C is a three-bedroom unit type D is the largest two-bedroom unit And the next slide The the second and third four units don't all have private balconies The ground floor units do have private terraces and balconies The second and third floor residents can use the common courtyard and the community room next to the laundry Next slide And these are the elevations We Incorporated all of the comments of the design review board the best that we could and one of the comments was to Make the walls consider coloring the walls. They were originally a Pale pale gray And so we warmed up the tone of the stucco to a color called fall brook An earth tone color and matched to that is a gloss a glaze subway tile shape and three different colors, which we'll see on the color board there's a lot of attention to variation and creating an A level multiple levels of primary to to To less primary roof lines and massing And also to creating repeating but a large variety of repeating fenestration Patterns the windows are connected into verticals By the bands of tile that are set into the stucco And an additional Articulation is in the wooden Balcony posts posts and the wood Framing that's exposed at the balconies To carry the the overhang eaves that cover the balconies Next slide, please There are four buildings total three of them are residential and so there are a large variety of Elevations and they're all different because every building is unique To and it fits in to the site like a puzzle piece The on the bottom left is the elevation of the parking garage, which will most likely be Concrete masonry block that's faced with stucco And at the second level of the parking Automated parking structure. We've screened the cars with a metal screen that has a cutout pattern in it and the next slide, please These are examples of the colors we use the sketch of the light layout for the tile And the colors are earth tones greens tans and dark gray And the next slide, please And this is uh, these are sections cut through the units. You can see where 45 feet Is just above The highest ridges And the next slide, please And this is a view of the entry plaza at the front at the corner of meadowbrook and Westy lane the there's an arbor a steel arbor that carries planting that covers the Ramp the circular ramp that takes you up to the plaza from the street level And the perspective from the courtyard at the bottom right has a similar arbor a full circle To provide a little seating enclosure And this is sort of like an outdoor living room that everyone in the compass can share There are two private garages and buildings b and c that provide parking for six cars two of those spaces are going to be accessible And that's the garage elevation is shown on elevation number five All the parking will be unbundled. So there's a variety of parking types. There's surface parking on the lot six spaces surface parking six spaces of the Garage parking and then the remainder of the parking is going to be in the structure Next slide, please and again, this is a view of the plaza next slide And the view of the interior courtyard The units at the second and third floors are all accessible by cupboard exterior stairways such as the one you see on the left side of the screen there Next slide And this is the view from westy lane There are patios outside the ground floor apartments and the walls are about four foot six inches high From the ground at steel lane, but Only three feet high from the terrace level itself And the next slide, please and this is the view into the driveway with the Elevation of the parking structure in the in the background and the trash enclosure to just to the right of the screen Next slide. I think that's our presentation. The rest of the drawings are For reference in case there are questions about the drainage utilities and and grading plans and that we also have a Landscape package at the end of the project I think I'm that's the all the comments I have right now and I'd like to step back Okay, um I know that we have chair weigel from the design review board here. I'd like to open the public hearing and hear comments before I Ask him to step in and and give us some feedback. So Let's go ahead and open that public public hearing If you wish to make a public comment via zoom, please raise your hand The raise your hand icon is located at the bottom of the zoom screen If you are dialing in via telephone, please dial star nine to raise your hand and star six to unmute once called upon So the administrator murray looks like we have a hand raised Gina you are first Gina you are unmuted. Please begin by stating your name for the public record Gina I can't hear you Gina Hunt singer you were unmuted. Please begin by stating your name for the public record Okay, Gina. We'll circuit back to you in case you still have a comment Colette Sorry, zoning administrator. Okay. I was going to suggest that perhaps We call out or explain to Gina if you call in Gina and turn your volume off on your your computer if you call in and the 877 number the toll free number and enter the meeting access code, you'll be able to raise your hand On there and we'll be able to let you or you know, give you an opportunity to speak there I don't know what the problem is, but that's another option. Okay. Take it away. Kyle. Sorry about that Of course collect You are now unmuted. Please begin by stating your name for the record Hi, my name is Colette Michaud and I am the CEO of the Children's Museum of Sonoma County Located 1835 West Steele Lane I want to talk tonight about the benefits of the city receives from what I think is an incredible creative corridor of arts and cultural resources on West Steele Lane I'm not sure the city leaders really understand what a treasure trove of destinations they have right underneath their nose Putting in such a high density apartment complex is definitely going to negatively impact this area Between the Schultz Museum the ice arena and the Schultz and the Children's Museum We see more than 350,000 visitors annually Most cities would die to have even just one of these cultural gems and would do all they could Or can to ensure their success and continued growth According to data collected in 2005 from 40,000 attendees at a range of arts events and organizations It was revealed an average spending with adjusted for inflation of 34 dollars per person At these organizations not including prices of admission This spending generates for Sonoma County if you apply it to Sonoma County and estimated 12 million invaluable revenue annually for local merchants and their communities Non-local attendees spend almost twice as much as local attendees Demonstrating that a community that attracts cultural tourists stands to harness significant economic rewards Given the economic and cultural impact that these three organizations have on our community Does it really make sense to throw an apartment complex into the mix? Which will not provide much in the way of economic support to the city and will instead have a very negative impact on traffic Parking and at an additional congestion to an already very congested area I believe this complex will cause severe and negative impacts to all of the Non-profit cultural destinations located nearby and does not provide tangible benefits economically or culturally to the city I really encourage you to think seriously about this and I hope that the city will Appreciate and understand the cultural Organizations that they have on this corridor and do all they can to support them and their growth Going now and going into the future. Thank you Thank you Okay, Gina. We're going to go ahead and circle back to you Gina your mic is unmuted. Please begin by stating your name for the record. She may have called in as well Gina if you happen to call in please style star nine to raise your hand Or star six to unmute once called upon so possibly try star six Or if you're on your zoom To unmute is the lower left corner of the zoom screen Can you hear me? Yes, I think you can hear me now. Yes. Is that true? Yes, that is true Is this Gina Gina Sorry, I had muted you because the can you hear me now? Sorry. Yes, we can if that's Gina that's talking we can hear you My name I'll start again My name is Gina hunt singer and I'm the museum director of the Charles and Schultz museum and research center And I would just like to echo that For 50 years, we've had an incredible resource for the community here It remains Incredibly important to keep A situation where people who come here from their first view of santa rosa Is many times these three institutions that are here and this The the fact that there's such inadequate parking For this project Is as unfortunate because housing is important, but the parking situation will cause major problems for this area And i'm just asking that you really consider that i know that you said according to city code The review authority may approve a decrease in parking spaces after making the following finding Um, but it said it it says that a number of parking spaces approved will be sufficient for its safe Convenient and efficient operation of use and we will be compatible with the neighboring properties And it's not compatible with the neighboring properties And unless the parking Amount of parking is increased And I just want to thank you for your time And that is all I have to say Thank you Looks like we have a caller there Hello Yeah, we can hear you go ahead Oh, oh good. My name is Kathleen O'Brien And I appreciate the opportunity to speak tonight. Um, I am one hundred and 10 plus percent behind both of the people from the charles shelter Um Operations now I'm glad that that laugh Is no longer such an eyesore but um It is Truly not going to be an appropriate spot with these wonderful historical And tourist Businesses and I really believe that The traffic whoever does this Um must have had their hat on wrong that day because All of the comments that I've read through that have come through to the board except one Have stated a major concern about the traffic Now god bless the then that wants to build this and have 11 percent or that that many units in low-income housing I am 100 percent behind that And I'm not trying to pull it not in my backyard. It's just nonsensical anyone with one ounce Of logic would be here during the high times whether to show us this museum or the ice rink The side street hearties is bumper to bumper As well as the additional parking lot for the Tourist opportunities is is impactful And so before you rush forward I just ask that You really re-evaluate this and have some people come out and I'm the one that asked about a petition because I may not have a lot of money, but I sure have Two feet that are happy to go door to door and really have these voices be heard Because once it's up it's done and I think that as a taxpayer here in Sonoma County We really need to have this reviewed again Thank you for letting me speak Thank you for taking the time to join us It looks like our next comment is from Joshua. Joshua could be one second to unmute you Joshua, you're now unmuted. Please state your name for the record. Okay. My name is joshua shipper I am the director of special initiatives for generation housing. I'm filling in for cal weeks who unfortunately couldn't Couldn't join you We just wanted to make a very brief statement that acknowledges the multiple ways that this project aligns with several of the stated goals of santa rosa city council And in that way, we believe it fulfills A number of priorities these include Housing that is located near key job centers, especially the coddington mall area transit-oriented developments much of what you've heard about Access to healthy amenities and we also think that it is a form of infill development that Really drives this city-centric growth that the city has prioritized Yeah, the proposed project is surrounded by a mix of housing typologies for From multifamily units that are immediately immediately south of the project to a senior housing development located to the west It's location near both the smart train and potentially proposed overpass over the 101 That will be accessible by bike We think will contribute to the overall reduction in vehicle miles traveled and Ideally began to shift our community towards higher usage of locally available public transit ride share and other modes of transportation and so we really do give this an endorsement not only from generation housing as an organization but On behalf of the the principles stated and the priorities of santa rosa city council So thank you very much for letting me show those comments Thank you So the administrator burry it appears there's no more hands raised at this time. We may close for comments Okay, then I'll go ahead and close the public hearing Bring it back. I I I do have I have some questions, but I think I'd like to hear from uh chair weigel We can elevate him Hey, susie can you hear me? I sure can. Thank you so much for coming in Uh chiming in tonight Oh, no problem. Not at all. Um, so I I remember seeing this project, uh, almost three years ago now And uh, I think I've got a couple of questions that I think might help Uh, with some so I guess some land use kind of things and then I have some comments. So um Do you think we can maybe do a couple of questions first? So I just for not only my own remembrance, but also perhaps to Help inform the public about a couple of things Absolutely. I think uh connor connor can i'm sure respond to most of them I have recently listened to that meeting. So if it's something about the meeting, I may be able to help Sure, thanks. So um, so I my first question is um, you know, I've heard a lot of public comment about parking And uh parking is always a you know an issue A piece of concern for any type of development, frankly Because you know, how do you get there? How do you occupy it? You know, whatever whatever the type of development is, but um a density bonus is a really unique thing in the state of california from an entitlement perspective. Um, and so when you Go after a density bonus you get Effective, you know concessions right and the concessions can be wide ranging from a lot of different things But typically in santa rosa what we tend to see is parking reduction increase in unit density and um, sometimes but not always a unit, you know building height right because the zoning code Usually has a limitation on the height based on you know, what type of district it's in or whatever. So um, can you I guess the question that I would have is And this may help other folks and I I know it I know it but I'm asking it to help other people too With the density bonus that's not controlled by the city of santa rosa. Correct. That is a state Level law. Is that correct? And can you explain a little bit more about? Why that's the density bonus component is important? Connor, I think I'm going to defer to you Yeah, so, uh, thank you chair waggle again for being here. Thanks for the question so the density bonus is a director level approval and part of the dense part of that approval can include those concessions as we mentioned where the where the state essentially ties the hands of city planners and review authorities is especially present in this recent assembly bill 2097 that That precludes our ability to require parking for projects that are located within one half mile of a light rail station or the in this case the smart station um, and it goes further to Prohibit a review authority from denying a project based on lack of adequate parking Um, unless specific findings are made within 30 days of the receipt of the completed application Which is a bit of an interesting situation because this project has been in like you said for three years So there was really no possible way for city staff to issue that To issue those findings in writing pursuant to assembly bill 2097 so effectively the review authority cannot deny the project strictly based on lack of Adequate parking on site Thanks Connor for explaining that and I think you know The other thing that's important to note is you know with when you when you trigger, you know below market housing That tends that triggers all these, you know, that's that's how you Get access to the density bonuses, right? If we if The applicant were to just build a market rate housing project They would have been limited to whatever the the base zoning was And then they would have had to require, you know comply with the city's zoning standards for a number of parking per The base zoning, correct Yes, if there's no state density bonus involved meaning that there's no proposed On-site affordable units that grant additional density in the project then that project does not Um afforded the opportunity to request concessions that can include parking reductions Cool. Thanks. Yeah, so I the reason I kind of Wanted to go down that road a little bit is so that everybody can understand that That yes parking is indeed a huge concern with any project But in many ways the city's hands are tied As it relates to the parking findings on this specific project because it because of everything you kind of outlined I think it's really important to to to realize that, you know While we do have a lot of local discretionary control over certain things There are other things that Sometimes we're just kind of they're kind of out of our control because there's a state bill or there's a law that You know overrides it and makes the requirement based on You know, whatever whatever is included in that that legislation Um, so tied to that from a parking perspective since parking is tricky on this particular site Curious if the applicant has any plans to You know, a lot of times with leases they you know, they don't you know types of these types of projects that are encouraging you know, multimodal access whether that's bicycles or ride share or bus usage or using a smart train does the applicant have any plans to Kind of do an ala cart parking menu as in if you rent a unit You're not necessarily guaranteed a parking space kind of thing Right. So to encourage to encourage, uh, I guess carless Uh renters so to speak Do we know? Yes, so they They I'm I'm just going to step in there was some late correspondence that went out yesterday And they in it they they talk about a parking plan And how it's unbundled parking and whatnot So if if I can just kind of I'm trying to reel this into some of the design stuff because I I really need your help on the design Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. Yeah, I just I wanted to And there's there's a specific reason why I brought those two things up and then I wanted to bring it back to the design component um, so A part of the reason I bring up the parking is you know, parking is very much part of the site design of this project And so I'm I'm really struggling with the project in many many ways because We saw this project three years ago and by and large the project remains unchanged from a massing and kind of form layout Really the only things that changed from march of 2020 are color And the inclusion of a little bit more site A little bit more development on the site in terms of the arbors and some other things. And so I'm really I'm struggling because I went back and I looked at our comments and what the designer review board kind of asked for And I don't really feel like that got addressed At all in any way shape or form um, and I understand that uh, you know the The applicant, you know, they're entitled to pursue their own architectural vision for the project Uh, and they're entitled to you know, pick their own colors and all those things and um, but I think what I'm struggling with is neighborhood context With the surrounding area You know materiality what while I think you know independently the Santa Santa Barbara aesthetic that's kind of there And that's being created in this building. It's it's unique and it's interesting, but it's not again. It's not terribly contextual um From a scale perspective, I'm you know, you look at the You know the kind of the the civil institutions and the the cultural institutions across the road There's there's large swaths of green and plantings and other things in the front Or there's you know until you hit the building Whereas um on the south side of steel lane, there's a lot of you know, one-story homes or one-story businesses That are you know fairly close to the road, but they're not necessarily Right up against the road like these very large buildings are so You know when we originally reviewed the project we had lots of questions about setbacks and other things like that related to kind of the The the pedestrian scale of this building as it relates to the pedestrian scale of adjacent buildings And um, so I think from a design perspective. We were concerned about how this building Does not share the same pedestrian context as everything else is kind of happening on this thoroughfare And so because it's very dense that's what that's what's causing it right so the density of the project itself is what's causing that kind of heavy Ness to exist on this particular parcel And so um, I'm struggling a little bit because not much was changed You know, we had some specific comments. We had some More nebulous comments and and kind of really Nothing again really Seemed to be responded to and I did read the applicant's responses and they just they didn't feel Like they they really took everything into into the context now that being said I think there are some things that potentially could improve the current design Um, if that's something that you know, you know, susie, you're interested in doing um The roof line feels really really thin to me given the scale of the building and that may be just a product of the 3d program that Ingrid is using But in santa barbara architecture, there tends to be a bit of aphasia Um on those roof lines, uh, you know, even even if they're not going to use Spanish tile There looks like you're using compsional on this project I would encourage Spanish tile because I think that fits within the context of the architectural vernacular that they're going for and so if you're going to do Spanish tile, there's there's some depth and thickness and shadow line associated You know kind of vertically up from the roof line and then obviously the fascia boards and wood coming down um I like the wood that's introduced in some places namely Building a east and kind of the central area in the courtyard They've introduced some some wood posts. Some have you know, what I would call heavy timber, which is very Very indicative of that santa barbara stucco style. Um, I'm actually a little bit hungry for more of that wood Because some of the particularly the north elevation, for instance Is is quite stark with just the tile and the stucco and it feels like it's hungry for another material whereas Kind of the the south elevation and the east elevation They get some of that warmth from that wood kind of getting brought in Um, so I would I think you know potentially introducing more of that wood would be nice um The other thing that I think is really unique to specifically the santa barbara style architecture and I'm not seeing it on here. Um, but All the public spaces in santa barbara style architecture have Like terracotta or play tile floors and they're really They're they're they're really rich and they have lots of texture and a lot of times they have mosaics on them and things like that And um, I think that could be really a really nice interplay between the tile That they've placed on the outside to highlight the windows. Um, I think that would be a way to connect to the walking surface with the vertical surfaces um If you know, this is the the the style of architecture that that's ultimately gonna kind of be constructed here. Um, Let me see here, uh The other thing that I'm I can kind of scratch in my head about Is uh, it looks like there's a very nice, um central kind of either four coroner to arch or Pointed arch or something like that and then on the east elevation Uh, and also the north elevation. I think that goes through the center entrance into the courtyard I mean, it's really nice, but then there's this kind of I would call it awkward. Um kind of A arch half arch that exists at the staircase and in they don't they're not speaking to each other Um, as one would think arches would be the the the kind of half arch feels disconnected From the full arch in the center and I would I would encourage the applicant to to revisit how that that works um, because that kind of four centered arch or whatever Okay, it's Is this at the entryway? So, yeah, this there's two arches. There's a there's a central entry arch that goes underneath the kind of double height windows Um, and then there's on the east elevation Of building a there's at the staircase. There's this kind of like half arch thing happening Um, and it it just if they just don't feel connected to me um, you know the the The types of arches in uh center barber style architecture tend to be very Kind of almost Gothic in a way but in a very simplistic way. So they're either three centered arches four centered arches Or three pointed arches or pointed arches that and they're all clad in stucco. So they see if they feel really smooth and and but they but they have kind of a An elegance to them and um, I'm the the the component at the staircase That does not feel elegant Give a little slap slap dash to me I just want to clarify. Is it the archway going into the interior courtyard that you're talking about? That's the one that's the one. I think that fits within the context of the vernacular I can share my screen. I think that would be a good idea. Yeah, sorry for the delay on that suggestion Is this a good slide for the entry archway or should I find a Connor that's actually a great slide for both So great that entry archway Where your cursor was is the one that I think fits very well within the context And then if you go down to that item number four perspective from courtyard ground You'll see that kind of half arch scenario to the left of the arbor at the bottom of staircase. Yes, exactly And it just it with it adjacent to the steps the stepped kind of walls above It just doesn't feel like it it works From a architectural perspective, it's too it's too dissimilar things kind of happening really close to each other and so I would I would encourage the applicant to revisit that and and Simplify I guess would be the way I would call that The same thing goes for the the wood detail at the very top of that staircase same view Perspective view for that's the only kind of scenario where there's Brackets and kind of some other things going on all the other wood is kind of post and beam Construction which is very typical of the Santa Barbara style of architecture And this this it's not as I don't know it just seems again a little bit out of place Um Another thing that I think to me is is partially why I'm struggling a little bit with the You know kind of going after a Santa Barbara style architecture is the wall thickness doesn't feel deep enough um, so with a with a traditional Kind of stucco building you get a really nice Reveal between the face of the stucco and the face of the window, you know inch an inch two inches three inches four inches and in this Application it really only looks like they're flush with one another and I would encourage the applicant to try to find a way to Either thicken the wall or set the window back in the framing to start to create A little bit of that depth that exists in that traditional stucco assembly And then um, I think I think that's pretty much all my design comments like again, I think the design review board originally had lots of concerns about the monolithic nature of the building um And that there wasn't a lot of Relief to that um But in the same breath Santa Barbara architecture tends to be monolithic and Like I was talking about with the windows some of that window relief and some of those other things that may start to Introduce less verticality and more horizontality that may make the building feel a little bit smaller um addressing the roof thickness Uh and those sorts of things Um may may may start to ground it a little bit. I guess is what I would say so with that Susie You know again, I don't I don't want to be terribly negative As we need housing Desperately, um, but at the same time, you know seeing a project that was supposed to have three years of evolution and it's largely unchanged is Is a little unfortunate. I guess is what I would call that So That's super helpful and thank you and if you don't mind I'd love it if you could stick around because I may need some Help with wording conditions. You are you speak architecture. Um, I don't so, um, I Connor I had asked um I I saw rob was rob sprinkle was Uh on the call and I I'd love to hear from rob as well. Um on some of the traffic Hi susie. Yeah, I'm here Hi rob. How are you? Great. Thanks So Go ahead. I know you had some questions about um traffic and what improvements would be done to address the traffic impacts As far as the traffic study goes as car mentioned the impacts of traffic On the the quantity of traffic being added to basically steel lane in the network is very minimal It's 20 p.m. Peak trips. That's basically one car for every three minutes. They'll be added to Um west steel lane, which is is not a significant amount Which is why we didn't have them do a more in-depth traffic study One of the concerns I did have with the project was related to parking, which is something that The community also shares And um and we're reviewing this this project again just last night There yesterday afternoon. I came up with a potential A solution to help ease some of the traffic parking in the area and so I just like the On the way in there is Area to park but it's posted no parking on the north side of the street in front of the Snoopy is arena You cut out just for a sec and it was right at a critical point I'm sorry. There is parking a helicopter went over. So sorry A There is parking allowed or there's parking space But it's currently posted no parking in front of the snoopy is arena all along the frontage along hardy's To about a bus stop where it necks down And the bus stop is that actually at a location where it necks down on the north side of the street So it's unused Real estate to be honest and if that was to be re-striped so that the parking is Or that space for parking is allowed on the south side of the street Along the frontage of this project. It would accommodate nine to ten additional parking spaces And I think that would go a long way to help with alleviating the The concerns of the neighborhood with the parking that's currently are already pretty well impacted in that area and then with this additional Housing Development it could be impacted more if it may not be because they are doing unbundled parking But regardless, I think it would go a long way to help with The availability of additional parking in the area So just just to clarify on that one is that You're not are you suggesting they park on the north side of west? No, I'm suggesting that they restriped the street to allow parking on the south side Thanks Connor So currently that section on the north side where there's between the curb line And the bike lane is eight feet of which Would typically be a parking area But that is all posted no parking at this time and no parking is allowed there So if it was restriped similar to what it striped to the west So on the other side of hardy's you can see that there it would basically be Continuing that same striping alignment with parking along the south side of the road Shifting the bike lane north up against the curb as it is on the other section and allowing parking to be along the frontage Very helpful Very helpful. Okay Is are are are we doing any additional stop lights stop signs? Signal changes that you're aware of with this this project Not specific to hardy's and west steel that is already an all way stop A meadowbrook is a stop coming out onto the street as well That we always do look at intersection operations when new developments go in So we would be looking at the timing at range and West steel there to the east We tried to maximize the signal timing as best we can when new developments go in just to ensure that we're Serving the the standing queues if they can be served What? Yeah, you know, I have to say I went I did I did some site visits Over the weekend. I did them at odd hours 10 o'clock at night dinner time And and daytime just to kind of get a feel for it. And I know at one point I'm gonna say it was the The daytime I went by when I got off the freeway it was Once I was on west steel I was fine, but getting there's kind of it was confusing It seemed like to some drivers which lane they needed to be in but But I think it's been like that since I was a little girl Anyways, um, okay. Well, thank you very much. And if you could stick around, I'm sorry I'm sure you've probably got other plans, but you stick around just just to make sure that if we're writing We're writing the condition in fact I think that I'd like to ask the applicant if Patrick if you would be Okay, with the addition of a condition to restrike that section of road So that we can get some parking on the street in front of your The project that'll address I'm sure several well begin to address some concerns I'm sure no problem. I think that's a great idea. It's all about finding Resolutions that makes the project appeasable to everybody, you know, we're not all gonna agree on every single thing but We have to throw a hat in the ring to come up with solutions and that solution Is pretty obvious when it's pointed out. So Yep, totally in favor Yay, thank you Um, I'm gonna I want to throw out some comments and I'm sure it may result in a little bit more discussion But um first, you know, I want to address uh chair weigels comments. I I rewatched the Uh the design review board meeting as well and I I I did hear a lot of suggestions. I didn't hear I I also heard I'm trying to Can you all hear me? Yes, we can hear you. Thank you. I I just caught an uh Uh Message up on my screen saying that I've been disconnected so, um I I heard a lot of the comments and I I noticed the same thing with the plans that there wasn't a lot of change But I also didn't hear emphatically from the entire board that they are for from several members of boards They seemed I heard a lot of suggestions when I I listened to that meeting um And I too was I I was kind of surprised Um, that was kind of surprised that there wasn't any any evolution or at least not much of it um, and I also agree with several of the the suggestions that the chair weigel made um But I I want to go through and I want to address some concerns, okay Like I said, I I did do multiple site visits. This was something that I understand parking is Is so challenging and I did look around I heard the public comment at last Thursday zoning administrator meeting I heard the public comment at the concept design review board meeting I sympathize But at the same time we are evolving the north station area plan was adopted many moons ago And it's recently been followed by an update to the downtown station area plan And really we are trying to get into get away from Our vehicle dependency. Does that mean no vehicles? Of course not But it doesn't mean that you know one driver has two vehicles a commute car and the the truck that you know He or she uses to work with over the weekend or tow their boat or anything like that So and and for people that have that type of lifestyle there are places to park secondary vehicles um I uh I went back and I looked at aerial views On our gis system, which is available to the public I'm not sure if you can go back and look at years past like city staff can I am a city staff member and I did go back and I look and over the last 20 years or so I haven't seen um the parking lots at the children's museum um at the Schultz museum or at the snoopy skating rink ice rink I haven't seen those parking lots filled. There was one One year and I think it was in 2020 that the the children's Museum parking lot was very full um, I've also I had a membership. I've had Several years of memberships with the the children's museum And um, I've never experienced difficulty parking So I don't know when those aerial views were were taken We don't know if they were on a monday a wednesday or saturday. So um, but so between my personal experience and and The aerial views I I I'm inclined to think that A shortage in parking in any of those three Um treasures. I will agree. They are all treasures Um to our community, but I don't see a parking deficit over there um I know that traffic It's it is kind of a it's it's an interesting. It's an unusual setup over there But the traffic that I experienced just over these last three times and I tried to hit You know busy times and it wasn't unbearable And I don't as uh rob said with the addition of one additional You know one extra trip during those peak period Or every three minutes during those peak period hours. I think that those um I think that can be absorbed pretty easily I do see your hand raised in great. I'm I'm going to keep going with my comments Just so I can get through them and then we can talk about some of um chair weigel suggestions um Let's see this property In in my opinion is really ideal for a parking reduction because of its proximity to Grocery and other retail To public transportation train and bus and and it is it's a it's a Great location because the bus route is is much more frequent It's also very close to a lot of places the where people can work um And it's also very close to three treasures the museum the children's museum And and the ice rink where many of these residents. I'm sure would enjoy visiting so um, so I wanted to talk about that and then as as Connor or planter mckay pointed out Our hands really are tied on in terms of the parking reduction This is a state initiative and it is to get housing Developed I I do not See a problem with the transition from commercial uses And um to to higher density residential uses. I think that that actually makes a lot of sense I know that there is a parking deficit when I go out on that the look that um, oh gosh Is it meadow brook? I guess on meadow brook. I um during the evening and nighttime hours I saw there was no parking left, but I would encourage other residents around there. This is a public street I encourage people to look at their their own parking Requirements. I know the existing residential uses. I have not done an analysis of their parking, but um, perhaps You know revisiting their own parking programs might be something that may help um So so that that's that's where I am with the with the parking um with the building height And and with the reduced setbacks. Um, again, I My opinion aside my hands are tied because of the state requirements I although I don't disagree with them um So that's that now as far as chair weigel's comments. Um I have a few questions for the applicant In terms of his his recommendations And I know that these are going to add some some um cost to the project Um, and I have one of my own I and I don't know I'm glad that weigel's still here because I'm wondering about juliet balconies or small balconies um that at least Yeah, at least give the feeling of private open space where they're not in a often shaded courtyard um You know just where they can share the open space with everybody else. So um now if I think ingrant and patrick you're probably going to need some speaking rights here. So um, go ahead and unmute yourself and We can have a conversation about it. But my first question is Um, would you also be willing to put the Spanish tile on the roof? I think actually it would be a really nice addition Um, I have one comment about the parking suzie, which is why I raised my hand when we're talking about parking We have a representative a partner of w trans who's a specialist in parking and um in order to also contribute To alleviating or mitigating some of the concerns of the neighbors on record and like him to be this is brian canapa Like him to have um a chance to speak Okay, I that would be fine brian All right, can you hear me? Okay, you can okay fantastic love technology. Um, so yeah, I just Just a quickly kind of rehash here. I mean we we did a A parking study, you know for this project using, you know, very industry standard Numbers from the institute of transportation engineers, you know looking at as I think ingrid said earlier You know empirical data, you know that have been collected. Probably I think I actually looked at the manual about 150 sites um, you know observing parking patterns at different housing developments that are similar in scale and location to this one and you know looking at that And looking at the peak demand relation in relation to the number of units here You know, we've premise said look you'll have a peak demand of about 39 spaces But if you unbundle parking spaces If you are really emphasizing people use transit, I mean The number of parking spaces being proposed here at 35 should actually be enough to accommodate peak demand I know people find that hard to believe Because there is an idea that everyone comes with two cars, but You can actually look at multiple examples from around the Bay Area The green trip I think is a great resource if people are interested for how housing developments oftentimes produce Much less peak demand than is I think what traditionally believed So we do feel confident in the analysis and it is backed by data and as you said it's supported by state law as well as by regional policy from ntc and abag as well But happy to answer questions if they if they come up I appreciate it very much Okay now You know, I I have to ask everybody and I'm sure everybody's anxious to get off But I was wondering if I if I can take a we can all take about a five minute break I have something that I have to tend to And this seems like a good opportunity to do it now so Hi, I will open up. I just have to recess. Thank you and just yeah five minutes. We'll be back at 645 Okay, thank you everybody I'm we're back So I would like to Activate a conversation with applicant team and some of the the comments from chair weigel um Ingrid and patrick if you can if you're there There you are. Hi Ingrid. Hi So I'm going to start with I'm going to start with the the suggestions that came on the interior courtyard With regard to the stairwells and the the wood beams at the top I Because it's on the interior and it's not really affecting the exterior You know what what passers-by are going to see I think it's a consider consider those changes and those are changes that connor can approve over the counter um And and so, you know that that has to do with you know the archway at the bottom of the stairs and The the wood feature at the top of the stairs um The creating the depth with the windows I when I looked at the when I looked at the drawing the drawings One of my one of my thoughts was it does it just goes straight up and there's no there's no depth there Is that is that a I'm I'm guessing there's a reason why you didn't do that um The typical two by six wall assembly at exterior walls with um A window installation that has fins like vinyl windows Would mean that there would be at the end of the day especially since we have stucco probably about a three inch inset of the window from the exterior wall so If you look at typical stucco buildings the windows are set in To the side. Yeah Okay, so again, I'm not an architect. So I I'm going to need some clarification. So it sounds like the windows will be set in Yeah, especially with Exactly and also because the tile itself is another three quarter inch thick the tile banding. I mean so that will Increase the depth Yeah, and maybe it's just I don't know how to Draw as well as some people do Okay Well, I'm sure it has something but um, I did want to say that um, I wanted to just make a comment. I Have never Said that the project was done in the Santa Barbara style. I'm not exactly sure where that came from Okay, yeah, it was never mentioned in the narrative or in any of my um discussions Okay, um So I I'm I'm going to say I think the terra cotta flooring that was suggested is also a really great idea But I it's a suggestion. I it's not something I mean, I would love to see these this that actually I think it would look beautiful But I'm going to leave that but as a plan change that you can consider And again honor could Is the so if I include the floor the floor color and A suggestion for how the floor the exterior corridor floors and public floors could be treated Um in this in the color board would that be sufficient? Uh, yeah, I again, I I think it would it'd be a very nice addition to make a contrast. I agree. Um, I just want to I just want to add that Due to costs, um, I mean building a 36 unit apartment building and increasing the density Was essential to just create a project that might work as an economically feasible project I mean that the increased density just makes it almost work with careful planning From an economic standpoint and so especially with the addition of four affordable units And I just want to say that there are many ways we can create the appearance of um tecate tile for instance from mexico or that rich deep red color which would not be um incompatible with the actual Uh design inspiration for this building which was not son of uber style It would not be incompatible with that and I think we could do that with concrete and other um materials as well as tiles So and I I I understand that and I don't think I don't think he was being He was throwing out examples In my opinion it sounded like examples of what could be done to spruce it up a little bit and again create that contrast so um so that uh Let's see Connor i'm hoping that you can take some notes on conditions here And maybe uh the first condition being um out of um a contrasting color for flooring um Something the another item that was brought up was introducing more wood on the north elevation and I I think the north elevation. I mean that's the one that's most most visible ingrid. Yes on the west line Yeah, is it is it uh feasible to add some some of those Some more of the the wood posts Out in on that elevation. I think that would warm it up Well, we could add um a um opaque stain Wood fascia or wood um wood emulating Uh composite fiber fascia like uh fiberon Some sort of treatment there that looks like that Or alternatively we could take your suggestion of the juliette balconies. Those are bedroom windows So we could change the window To french doors with juliettes on the second and third floor And therefore give the bedrooms a sense of spaciousness and connection to the street It is a loud street and that's one of the reasons I Didn't think the juliette balconies would work there, but I have incorporated them into other projects and on the interior courtyard Um, it might be a good idea And I think that Adam the uh fascia in an opaque stain wood Um finish is entirely possible. Yes Okay, so, um And we could do that to the underside of the eaves too where we have the exposed um drafter tails right Hi Patrick go ahead No, no, that's fine. I'm in agreement with that angered scutter Finger on the poles there. So again is trying to make everybody Comfortable, you know Not fully comfortable, but comfortable enough to move forward um, I you know, uh chair weigel if you if you wouldn't mind Chiming in on just on the the juliette balcony. I'd love to hear your opinion on that if you're available Hmm You may have stepped away. So I'm No, no, I'm here. I was uh making sure a child was not yelling at another child So I apologize um you know, I think we as a board we kind of go back and forth on juliette balconies, um You know from time to time I think In some instances they can be incredibly effective And to to create that spaciousness and openness and and connectivity to the uh to the outside world, but Conversely to that, um if there is a an intriguing Uh, you know Repeating pattern or element or rhythm or something like that you know, sometimes the that sort of app it feels kind of like an applique as opposed to being integrated into the design and and You know to uh to the applicant team's credit, you know, what's what's actually very nice Is the rhythm of the windows and the stucco and the windows and the stucco um On that north elevation in particular. Um, and I you know, I think I'm also sympathetic about You know, you know road noise and things like that I mean, there's some advantages of juliette balcony in terms of eyes on the street. You also get that with windows Um, I think the thing that I I'm a little more hungry for Is is an introduction of of a wood material At the second and third floor in some way that helps Reinforce the rhythm. I think is what I would call it And that could be something as simple as integrating an engaged header At the top of the window, right? That is a a wood product You know and fiber on actually may work frankly to create that kind of sense of that horizontal component that will take away from the that that kind of the verticality that's being created With with the rhythm if that makes sense so So just I'm just trying to be able to draft a condition here with so the fight the fiber. Is it called fiberonics? No fiber on it's a it's a like kind of a yeah, it's a it's a cladding material But I think what you might consider, I mean if you're if you're not If you're adamant about the juliette balcony, I think that's perfectly acceptable Um, but I think the project is stronger without them Just my opinion. Um, and I think what the applicant team Should look at is instead trying to break up the verticality with a horizontal element introduced if it You know because I think that's a low At least as I I see it that's a low dollar ad as opposed to a juliette balcony is potentially more, right? You know, so you're going to save money on a window, but then you're going to quadruple that price with a door and then You know the steel work and then the opening and then all the flashing that goes with that right so I think just introducing something is a is a low dollar item that can help Okay Okay, so the fiberon or that whatever that material is the above I would just call it I would just call it um, I would I would say introduce horizontal wood element At uh head of window bay At at third floor for sure second floor optional If that makes sense At window Yeah at all all windows on north side I mean, and I you know, I think ingrid knows what I'm talking about It's you know, it's an engaged header that extends a couple inches either side of the window It's very It's done all over the place and a bunch of different styles of architecture So and I as far as the wood though it didn't ingrid. Um, I didn't sound like you were You were leaning towards a different material No, I agree. I was just talking speaking that loud, but I think I could definitely draw this It's just not drawn that way, but we could definitely add a two by eight Eve board and barge board In the wood tone whether or not that material is actually wood Or faced with something or you know, some other material Or wood that's faced with something else That's the question and that's a question that just boils down to economics And so um, so but I think that a wood element at the third floor Windows at the heads headers is perfectly doable and increasing the The depth of the barge boards and fascia boards is perfectly doable Right But I want to check in with you and make sure you're able are you able to type this stuff as we're going? you know, um I admittedly I'm not typing. I am writing but um, I will put it in a format that we can add to the conditions Okay, and we can always go back and listen if we need to Just so long as you have a A clear understanding of it because you're going to be the one type in those Yeah, and for the record I did copy down what share weigel said verbatim. So Okay, great Okay, then um, I mean I kind of saved That I think the biggest one for last and that's the thickness of the roof and I know chair weigel Suggested Spanish tile and I know that that can can sometimes I I I understand From my own experience that that can add some additional expense and structural because it's heavy and As well as the cost of that but adding thickness To the roof. I think is a really good suggestion um so I'm Ingrid I'm going to ask I I was thinking that I could add a condition that says that thickness to the To the roof or to the appearance of the roof And consider or such as Spanish tile. I don't want to be prescriptive. I don't want to tell you that it has to be wood I but it does need to be You know a warm color I don't want to tell you that it has to be Spanish tile But I think that I look at the elevations and I see something that looks very thin and it doesn't really go with that stucco building um, so Well in terms of the roof I just want to add that the barge boards if they're two by eight or even thicker and the fascia boards that will That will create the sense of thickness of um A heavier roof the roofs are not going to be stick framed. They're tresses. So how they express on the exterior Is that illusion that the barge board which are the boards that are on the gable ends? um, and then the the fascia boards which are the boards on the Where the gables come down over the eaves and overhang the eaves Those are drawn rather thinly. I admit um here and if we had drawn them as two by eights or two by tens they Considering the the span of those tresses that would be perfectly appropriate and look much more Scaled to your eye rightly scaled to the building We could even add um the ridge, you know And express it at the top of the gable. So Susie I think Yes, Susie I have an idea I think what what you and I both keyed off on is not necessarily materiality Of the roof itself, but it's actually a color To the roof if that makes sense so At least that's my opinion so What what we're seeing on the roof looks like a pretty standard comp-shingle, you know asphalt comp-shingle roof with no color You know, perhaps a gray and I think what Might be appropriate is to condition it with You know asking, you know Yeah, you know the the roof shall be in the same color palette as the stucco right so earth tone an earth tone right and then that Potentially gives them the flexibility to pick up a myriad of different products. They could go with a comp-shingle They could go with the you know certainty comp-shingle. That's in a red color A brown color a tan color right that there's lots of options There's some really kind of cool synthetic Spanish tile out there that are not as heavy or as expensive as the real deal Or you know, hey if they find the money and they can do the real deal great But I think that gives them flexibility. I think what you and I are keying off on it. It feels more like a An integration into the overall design aesthetic and what's represented doesn't seem to mesh I think is what that at least that's what my eye is doing Yeah, and I I'm going to say I think what Ingrid's explaining to with the the um the thicker Borders I'm going to call it. I think that that that's definitely going to help and I I do think I do think it is It has a lot to do with color Ingrid and I think if if Drew used Earth tone I I would I think warm earth town but I'm going to leave it up to you on on on the roof with the explanation that you just gave on the um What was it a by eight or six by eight something by Okay Well minimum eight inch thick for sure. So and where we're warranted we could try a 10 to 10 inch see if that works It'll just it'll appear bulkier. I think the roof. Yes, right Bulked up. Yeah, um, and I'm I'm just looking I'm looking at that front elevation um Of the courtyard and the the wood. I think it's wood. I don't know if it's wood right at the the entry way there Mm-hmm And that is The type of thing that I and I don't know how to articulate this That I would like to see on those street facing elevations more of So, um, and I I I think that that's what uh, chair weigel was talking about and Yeah I'm I'm not as concerned about inside the courtyard. I am I am concerned on Actually, I'm going to say on both the the north and the west elevations just because they're they're much bolder Okay So I think I think that we've gotten we've gotten we've talked about the roof. I think we've gotten some resolve there um introducing more wood or wood like elements I'll say on the on the street facing elevations um That you will do Contrasting flooring in those areas that are visual or visible from the street My opinion it would be nice to put them in the courtyard as well Can't imagine why you wouldn't if you were already doing it, but um, and then your explanation with the windows I'm that works for me um Then I'm going to go back Um Sorry, I just want to make sure um, you are considering a comment that the chair made as well regarding the um The arch at the internal stairway And the way that that arch communicates with the entry arch I just want to make sure that wouldn't get locked out if you're doing it I think I'm from what I can tell you don't really it's that's not super visible from the outside I I think that if I were the applicant team, I would certainly consider those Um, and and if they want to make that change connor that's something that they can do with you over the counter Um, or you know as part of their uh building permits submittal, but it's not something that I'm going to require I'm I'm more concerned more concerned really about what we're seeing from the exterior people who move in We'll see what they see um I Do have some other conditions that I would like to add though. I do have them typed out and can email them um The additional conditions that I'd like the the the applicant to agree with are that the operator um Will enforce the parking management plan prepared by Ingrid Anderson and her email dated January 24th 2023 Um Patrick does that sound okay to you? It was actually with patrick's help It was a patrick's help that I devised that list so I Ingrid I'm going to ask patrick a few questions here because this is great most stuff. Okay. Thanks. Okay Um, and and patrick is there going to be an onsite manager living a live-in manager there? Yeah, there has to be by law anyway Over 12 Over 12 units. Oh, is it over 12? I thought it was higher. Okay. Um It's always like we have a building on On McBride lane and we have an onsite manager and that just keeps everything in order You know what I mean? There's rules and regulations and everybody builds a community around I like mind the manager they can go to and they just put out loads of little fires And it's always the best Representation for the owner to have an onsite manager. They get a reduction in rent and the whole facility just works really nice Absolutely Okay, great. And I'm gonna kind of derail us just for a second and I'm gonna say Rob sprinkle I think we we've already got the accepted condition and I don't think I'm going to need anything else from you So thank you for attending and have a great night Great. Thanks Rob um Prior to I'm concerned I I went back like I said and I listened to the design review board the concept meeting And I know the anti-board asset got on and talked about those redwood trees to the east But I am very concerned that an arborist has not weighed in on that So I am going to ask that prior to any ground disturbing activities or the issuance of grading or building permits That the applicant shall prepare or provide an arborist's evaluation for the trees on the on all adjacent properties that The the trees that will be impacted by the project The report shall include at a minimum the species the height the diameter at rest height health of the tree an appropriate protective measures um Once approved by city staff those protective measures shall be printed on all plan sets submitted for grading or building permits Okay, got work. Okay, great. Yep. It's fun We have some pretty standard burden back protective measures that go out on all of our tree tree permits Um, I don't have that language right in front of me, but I would like to add it and it includes things like doing um A bird survey or a nesting survey Uh, I think it's three days prior to ground disturbing activities if the project breaks ground between february 1st and august 31st Does that work for you? We do this on most projects Yeah, that's fine. The birds ever say to Yeah And and bats well, we really need Oh, that's we need them desperately. Wow. Yeah. Well, there's there's some protocols that requires You know, if you don't have somebody do a biologist come out. There's some protocols for moving limbs and stuff, but uh connor can provide all that interesting Yeah, don't we don't we don't have that problem in san francisco Well, you might have that problem in san francisco. They just don't know it Right Um, the on the existing that the draft resolution tree protective measures 10 through 16 Shall be printed verbatim on all plan sets Submitted for grading or building permits Okay, um Uh, I would like an assign added at both the uh, the north and the west Elevation so the street facing elevations That provides the general contractors Uh name contact information And and that any and a phone number and any issues Or that's me Are addressed within 24 hours Regardless of holiday weekends anything if a complaint comes up doesn't mean you resolved it But it at least somebody gets acknowledged Yep Only one The purpose of that is to not involve the city unless the city needs to be involved. So of course Um, I didn't see a content a condition. I may have overlooked it um to enter into an affordable housing contract with uh the housing authority or um with the city for a period of 55 years is there Yep connor and that's required That's a requirement Yeah, okay for the state that's a get the state bonus you that is a requirement Okay One of the things I want to say my comment About the the uh floor plans that were selected as the affordable units Is that I I I was surprised to see that there weren't any two bedrooms We don't need to address that here. I'm gonna I'm gonna defer to the housing folks because I think they They probably know a lot more about that than I do but I I would consider that just because it goes from one to three bedroom in it It doesn't really lend Self to just I don't know smaller family me, but it's a food for thought for you No conditions just a comment on that one and then um Claire oh And that one I was already taken care of So and that if you if those conditions of approval Work for you If you're I I'm I'm prepared to say Yes Yes, address Yes, yeah How do you like that? Yep, I'm I'm saying yes conditions and you're saying yes to the You know approval under the conditions for the project move forward Right. Yes. I that's exactly what I'm saying. So based on those Conditions and I want to take a minute and I want to ask Connor if if that all makes sense If I was clear Yes, thanks, sony minister to marry your crystal clear Thank you very much Okay, so I'm going to start now. I think I've got I've got two resolutions I'm going to pull them up and I'm going to read them just like we do in Our board meetings Resolution the first I'm sorry, it sounded like somebody was going to say something maybe not. Okay The first resolution here is a resolution of the zoning administrator of the city of santa rosa adopting an addendum to the certified north North santa rosa station area specific plan environmental impact report state clearinghouse number two zero one one zero two two zero three four For the west steel lane apartments project located at 1650 west steel lanes santa rosa Assessors parcel number zero four one zero four two zero one two file number prj 21 dash zero one zero and wave further reading of the text That is the first one And then the second one is resolution of the zoning administrator of the city of santa rosa Approving a minor conditional use permit to allow a supplemental density bonus And a minor den a minor design review for the construction of a 36 unit multifamily residential development for the property located at 1650 west steel lane santa rosa Assessors parcel number zero four one zero four two zero one two file number prj two one dash zero one zero as and adding the additional conditions And wave Further reading of the text I will once I see the revised revised resolution I will be signing that resolution Both of them So I want to say thank you again for anybody who's still on the the call for attending For those of you that came on february I'm january 19th last week and and came again today We appreciate that very much your input is valuable And um, I hope you can see the benefits of this project Thank you very much everybody and have a nice evening All right. Thank you See you soon. Thank you I think I need to officially adjourn the meeting at 7 17. Have a good night everybody