 Start streaming all these pixels. Oh, my gosh, I really like having all these pixels. What good are they? Let's me do this. OK. Before I couldn't have both of these up at the same time. Just make them smaller. No, because there weren't enough pixels. I couldn't make them small because then I couldn't read anything. But these, because there weren't enough pixels in that old monitor. You want that monitor back? It's perfectly good monitor. I have two. I don't need three. Would any of the listeners like a four by three, like 1280 by something monitor? Oh, that one. Yeah. Yeah, that one. That one was not big enough. I thought you meant the 1920 by 1200. No, no, I'm keeping that one. I'm going to use it in the other room. I'm not giving that one away for free. 1280 by 720. I'm not giving away my like old, but nice, ultra sharp. Oh, I was like, I was like, I was like, what? There's plenty of room on a 1920 by 1200 monitor to put two in browser. What are you talking about? It's like, oh, no, it was a 1280 by 720 monitor. It is nearly 1280 by 1280. I had a basically completely square monitor at IBM a long time ago, like actually just a square, like one by one. It was on a old 386, not a laptop, but a portable computer is the way to put it. Oh, no, it isn't 1280 by 720, it's 1280 by 1024. It's 1280 by something 1024. All right. I think we're good here. Oh, that volume. All right, this is the new audition. Let me set my dynamic range to be much higher. Bah, yeah, we're good, we're good. And it's already someone watching. Go away, go away, go away, let's do it. Rims going to come and do you run away. Some of them might be into that. All right, it's Tuesday. It's Tuesday, December 17, 2018. Right, you changed the day, but not the day. God damn it. Move that. Right? One person will know. Two people know I'm here. It's Tuesday, December 17, 2018. God damn it. I'll put these in the outtakes at the end. It's Tuesday, December 18, 2018. I'm Rims. I'm Scott. And this is Geek Nights. Tonight, it took us way more takes to do that opening than it should have. And we're talking about the new Smash Brothers. Because what else are we going to talk about? The Ultimate Smash Brothers. There's an Ultimate Smash Brothers. All right, we're going. Got my opening bit. So it's gaming day. I'm not going to belabor the point. We're going to review this on an episode of Geek tonight at some point in the nearing future, I assume, because Scott will probably go see it. Spider-Man Into the Spider-Verse is, in my opinion, having seen it last night in the theater, the best superhero movie ever made. Or at least in the top five. It's not exactly a high hurdle to get over. I did not say it was a hurdle. I'm just simply saying that this movie got over that hurdle. However low that bar was, this movie easily jumped it. And even lower hurdle, that I'm sure, not even having seen it, I can almost guarantee that I don't know if it's the best superhero movie ever because there are superhero movies that like say Unbreakable, which are actually good. Yeah. But they're technically superhero movies. I can easily wager money easily, right? No question that it is the best Spider-Man, not just movie, any video Spider-Man thing. Spider-Man media that moves. That's not a comic book. This movie is fucking phenomenal. It is one of the, I would say it is one of the best movies. I don't even need to see it to know that. It is one of the best movies animated or not superhero or not of 2018. Like I will stand by that statement. I kind of want to go see it in the theater again. I'm probably going to go on Christmas because that's what you do on Christmas. You go see the movie. The reason I'm like really driving this home is that I'm freeing geek nights. You know, Scott hasn't seen the movie yet, but I have. We are usually pretty cynical about things and usually pretty right about things. Like when I go into something, I tend to have low to middling expectations. And when I went into this movie based on the buzz I saw, I came in with pretty high expectations. When I have high expectations, that maybe two or three times in my entire life have those high expectations been exceeded by anything. This movie is really, really good. And you should go see it. I still cannot think of even one complaint I have about it. I just wanted to see it because it's got my boy Spider-Man 2099 in it. If people don't know, Spider-Man 2099 is a comic book from the 90s when I was like 10 or so. And I was, that was the comic that I bought from issue one every single month. I think I have all of them now. I have every issue, I might have redundant issues. But that's the cyberpunk Spider-Man. That is the comic book that made me learn cyberpunk things cause I read it way before I read say William Gibson novels. And that's why when people were talking about cyberpunk stuff, even though I hadn't read any William Gibson novels, I knew what the hell they were talking about, right? Even without seeing a Blade Runner, right? And also people don't know this cause you have most people probably haven't read Spider-Man 2099. Spider-Man 2099 is a huge asshole. He's not nice like the other Spider-Man's. He's basically this piece of shit, like super genius geneticist guy who like ends up in his own experiment that combines his DNA with the spider. And he's just an ass to everybody. He's not a good person. But like this movie also, if you can see it in 3D, it is one of the best uses of 3D I've ever seen. I really wish. Just a side note quickly about the 3D. You went to Disney World and they had like, Honey, I shrunk the audience and Bop at 3D. And they really went, and the Terminator one at Universal. Yeah. Where they really went full on with the 3D and that shit was in the 90s, right? Where they went full power 3D, like poking you in the face, really messing with you, right? Like really pushing 3D to the limit in terms of making it a thing that mattered. And no 3D movies that are in the theaters these days are doing that stuff. If I had to rank movies that I have seen in 3D that use 3D effectively. I'm just saying I want Muppets 3D 90 minutes at least instead of the what 10 minutes it is. It must be like, it's not very long if you go to Disney World if it's even still there, right? This movie is so beautifully animated, it is shocking. Right, but does it have like things constantly come and poke you in the face? Like what? I guess the best because I don't want to spoil something. It does. It has a couple of iPokes, but not that many. Better than the zero that you get in like a 3D Star Wars. Now it is, the thing is it is very 3D. And because it was animated, someone may every time anything is you is in 3D in any capacity, someone decided I want this part to be in 3D like this for a reason. It wasn't a 2D conversion deal. Nope, this movie is 3D 3D. That's good. The only movie I've ever seen. That's pretty much how I decided. Like if it was made in 3D with 3D cameras. I tend to not like it. Then I'll go see it in 3D. See, I do the opposite. Here's the problem. You want to go see the 2D 3D conversion? There's three kinds of 3D movies. This is kind of a side track. There's three kinds. There's three kinds. Cut it out. Cut it out. Three kinds. Five is right out. So the first kind is they film it in 3D and then they show it in 2D or 3D. Those movies tend to not use 3D very well because they're just accurately representing whatever 3D was happening in the filming. They're not using the 3D for its own artistic device. Kind of just a gimmick. Tends to not be that good. Or tends to just at best not be distracting. Doesn't add to the movie usually. Then there's the take a movie that was made in 2D or even 2D cameras. Yep. Or was shot with 3D cameras but intended to be 2D. And they only shoot with 3D cameras if you make it a 2D movie. To make it easy to make the 3D version. You just need a lot more light and it's harder to make the movie. But a lot of movies will make a 3D version that nobody wanted. There's no artistic reason to do it. Usually from 3D 2D shooting just so they can release it in the theater in 3D and charge people more money for it. Those are the worst. But then there's the movies where like Mad Max which was not shot in 3D to be a 3D movie the new Mad Max but 3D was added in post on purpose for artistic reasons. And it was done like scene by scene for the same kinds of reasons you do color grading. And it's phenomenal. Mad Max for your own and this Spider-Man are easily two of the best uses of 3D in movies I've ever seen. They're not better than that terminated thing or in terms of 3D in terms of 3D-ness. But the thing is those those are just the 3D aspect of them. You know what I'd say the different one those don't hold up that well like those experiences to our modern I mean they're all gone. I don't think I don't think any of them are still there. I don't think honey I shrug the audience is still there. But two I would say that those are more like in VR there's home VR and then there's installation VR. Those are installation 3D as opposed to they were just movie theaters with 3D glasses. No they also had physical effects. Yeah but those weren't necessary. Oh I thought you wanted full on. Let's go all the way. Yeah with the 3D part. We don't need the spraying water on you part when the dog sneezes. Oh yeah you do. No you don't. Anyway I mean if you want to put that in every movie theater be my guest. I think we should. It's going to get really gross as all the wet seats and shit. Yup. Anyway go see Spider-Man. Holy crap. So got some news. All right. And the news is well I guess we'll do this one first. So everyone wants to get on the PUBG Fortnite train. Well this is what happens in the gaming world. This will always happen in the gaming world right. Ever since the oldest olden day is someone makes a video game and then someone makes space invaders and then what someone else makes a game that looks just like space invaders. Right. Space invaders. Right. Then they made Mario and then there's Gianna sisters and then they right. It's like you someone comes up with a new genre of video game say an RTS like you know Dune 2 and then you get a Command and Conquer and you get a Warcraft and you're right. Someone comes up with with an FPS like say a Doom and then you get a Quake and you get a Doom 3D and you get any you know it's like OK. So here you go. They came out with a PUBG and then there was a Fortnite and then there was an error and then so on. So now I guess my problem like it's kind of bad. Like I played it. I got second place in my first game. Like games not hard. It's easy to kill people. It's the same as Counter Strike. Oh yeah. Oh by the way there's a Counter Strike PUBG. Yeah. It's Counter Strike PUBG. Yeah. Battle Royale mode. But the thing is I really like Counter Strike and I'm OK at Counter Strike even to this day somehow. But the problem is this game doesn't feel like Counter Strike at all. What I expect shooting part does barely. Also good luck getting a gun. That's all day. Yeah. The problem the problems with this game. I got I got an organ and died immediately. Oh my god. I've I got an organ. That game I'd be unstoppable. Yeah. I think it's like picked up the organ I was loading it and I got shot in the back. Even I forget like one pistol. I just like most people seem to look at that tablet and be like oh shit there's people near me. I'm afraid. I mean I know if I look at that tablet all it tells me is where I'm going to go fucking kill some people. But the problem is the reason it doesn't feel like Counter Strike what I expected was everyone lands. You all have like P 90s in crap. Go for it. It's just icy world on a giant map. Like that's all I wanted. But this is you start with just your fists and there's all these bullshitty mini games like oh collect dollars in briefcases and order a bullet from a drone that'll deliver to you. And then someone else someone else can hear and see the drone and then they come after you. I've never seen a hostage. People talked about them. I've never seen one. I found a hostage and I picked him up and I took him somewhere and it gave me so little money that it didn't matter. Basically they added all this crap to the game that has nothing to do with the good part of Counter Strike which is shooting people in the head. Yeah. The good part of Counter Strike is that feeling you get firing that P 90. It's just pop up up go go go. This is the opposite of that. The well it's pop up up go go but it's panicking pop up go go because you have nothing and someone else probably has a gun and there's no one has a gun and what do you do? You look at your fucking tablet and now someone could kill you while you're messing around with it trying to figure it out. But the problem is Counter Strike is not made for this. So when they start so on the draw distance messes up so like you can't actually see people in the distance effectively or discover work effectively and there's not that many people. It's not a hundred people like 16 right. It's not a lot of people but the other trouble with it oh and you can get trapped the maps aren't that well designed so like the coming this closing circle will just trap you sometimes like literally no way out. Yeah it's not great but also I couldn't tell like where the circle was and shit because the map is really confusing. I started to figure it out but the real problem is it starts you with just fists and it's it's a really long someone to death. I also club someone to death with a wrench. I've used a knife to kill a bunch of those someone. I was stabbing with a knife and after I died. Obviously I didn't kill them. I looked it shows you like your stats. They literally had like I did like 99 to them one more swipe. They would have been dead. They managed to while I was stabbing them repeatedly finish loading an oomph so I don't know where they got it from. Turn it on me and do bullets because it was the start of the game. I had nothing. I don't know where the oomph came from but here's the problem. They start you with fists right. The fit like the melee mechanics of Counter Strike have never been good. No knife fight is for silliness. It's not serious. You don't actually use a knife. So basically they took all the not fun parts of Counter Strike amplified them took the fun parts like unloading on someone with a P 90 made them almost impossible to achieve and then added a bunch of fiddly mini games. I don't know who designed this right. The reason that like who is this for at least from my perspective the reason the battle royale games are popular right is the same reason that people play an RTS and are like don't attack me for like 10 minutes we all build right and that's what the PUBG games are. But the beauty of Counter Strike is that you start with everything already. Right. It's the PUBG games with and the other Fortnite games what they're about is it's quiet. The map is big and even though there's a lot of people right we can all sit around leveling up collecting items and getting gear you have that fun the same fun you have just building a little Starcraft base with no one messing with you right and then you're going to have to encounter at least someone maybe early on but it's only maybe going to be like one person because the map is so big if you want to you can land in the calm in the crowded area if you want to have that fun to right it's up to you. Yeah. But you know most people look and this this does not offer either of those experiences I love the land in the same place as someone else so you can't go for that immediate fight. Yeah. And you there's only 16 people and the map isn't that big so you can't like have a million years to mess around and get a whole bunch of weapons before you see someone you can't do either one weapons are these just not fun add-ons to counter the two fun modes of the Battle Royale games are not available in the Counter Strike battle and I guess you could say that's good because it's different but it's bad because it's not it's not fun. Like I don't know who this is for anyone who's good at Counter Strike will just be frustrated by this. It's for Valve to be like we're really losing our FPS you know I like it to the to the end of Valve is not doing well with its games lately because they stop making them you got to right by not keep it by not continuously making games it's you know we always we talk about this a lot where it's like well the summer right we don't need new submarines we have plenty yeah but if you're not continuously making a new submarine all the time you lose the intelligence of making submarines and if you say you are we don't need a new one for 50 years 50 years later hey we need a new submarine now I don't there's no one alive who has any expertise in making them yep so Valve there's plenty of expertise in making F plenty games and FPSes but Valve has not been continuously making games since you know they made Dota and arc you know artifact not doing great yeah relatively speaking so they've sorted are not the studio they used to be in terms of game making they have a bunch of experts at Steam making but the one good thing and even they're even being assaulted on that front now yeah well because Counterstrike's not keeping up either with these other games like counter Counterstrike needs to understand like as a game the people who are behind all this the niche it falls into because it can't compete with PUBG PUBG and game and army and all these things are focused on like real world realism that space exists Counterstrike is not that don't try to compete with that they didn't they definitely didn't try to compete with that it also can't be the silly Fortnite because that stuff is that that's its own world of building a house like in the middle of a match but the beauty of Counterstrike is the same beauty that action quick to had of you start with a bunch of guns just fucking go like it like the way I was described Counterstrike to people the original game was the game begins the moment negotiations with the terrorists broke down like that's second and that is the beauty this has to be the hundred men enter one man leaves that's just everyone has a P 90 and a giant map go yeah I would play the shit out of that it was FYI I swirled we played it all the time but it didn't have 100 people yeah and you kept responding we'd still put like 30 people in that tiny map because it was hilarious right you should choose this you should choose a full infinite money Counterstrike equipment loadout right and actually it would be cool because it would be sort of the opposite of what PUBG is right when you play when you play a PUBG as you go on if you survive you get more you kill someone you get more and more stuff you build up over time it would be so Counterstrike could be very successful doing the opposite where everyone starts with a full loadout but they're starting to run out of ammo right but it's like okay I'm surviving and killing these other people with my fully loaded all full armor full grenades full night vision full everything and then as the match goes on well my I've killed 10 people I have no all gamma left I'm using my pistol yep armor's worn down oh I can't serve their ammo maybe still has an MP4 whatever right okay my pistol's out now it's knife fight with the last guy yep because it's you know what was the mode where you had to knife fight the last guy oh a gun game it's not gun it's not knife fight at the end because it's gun game it's knife fight at the end because anyone who lasts that long against the hundred opponents only has a knife left it ends up being you get that situation of I've got an AUG and three bullets for it or I could pick up this shotgun that has eight shells in it hmm well I wouldn't let I wouldn't let you pick up other people stuff I would make it so that your stuff AUG goes down over time no matter what because all you start with is all you can get the end right anyway anyway the point is this game is not fun is that it might one day be fun but who will be playing it then if they keep working on it but I don't think the problem is they added all this crap and I feel like the first step is to remove all the crap they added but I feel like that is most people who are like product managers or game designers removing all the crap you just added is the one thing that is impossible for them to do hmm if you're out there if you're listening to GeekKnives and you have that one single tier being shed because we're crafting all of your game just try remove all the crap and you will win just make exactly what I said Counter Strike exactly the same as Counter Strike Giant Map 100 Hell just make 100 people yeah it's basically gun game on that giant map before the game starts you buy as much stuff as you want yep make your whole load out you get dropped fucking somewhere it might be with a lot of people might be an empty zone doesn't matter and you never get more stuff you only use the stuff you started with and the last person alive with that's the whole game I actually I would let people pick things out but here's the rule I would do it the way old Counter Strike did where players drop whatever weapon was their current primary equipped weapon and nothing else hmm because then you kill the you wouldn't run out of ammo you wouldn't have that knife fight with the last guy that way you would find someone you would find someone who is murdered early and pick up their almost full you know machine gun well here's a note to make it interesting they will they'll drop if they if they drop a weapon it has at most one clips worth of ammo in it then you could swap weapons but it's always like it's always still the zero two complicated it's just it's real simple and real pure to just be like you get what you started with you play to the end yeah but really you don't gotta mess around this game is just not like don't even bother with it it's just not fun however the other news is that as part of this they release Counter Strike Go just free to play yeah I paid for Counter Strike way back in the day it's really weird right is I way back in the day I had Half Life One I got the CD from a kid in high school and I used his key right and then it was like a it was he was using the key too but it didn't matter in those days right it was the CD ROM for Windows 95 or whatever 98 SE right and then and Steam came out right I was you know at the time I had this Half Life One installation which is legal but using someone else's key and with the Counter Strike mod attached to it for free and Steam came out and the day Steam came out it sort of inherited my Half Life and turned it into a legal copy of Half Life with a legal copy of Counter Strike right that I didn't have to pay for because I had pirated Half Life One a lot of us got through that loophole and Counter Strike was free so I sort of grandfathered into a legal Half Life license and a legal license for like you know day of defeat and all the other Half Life things which they were then event when the Steam store opened they were charging money for all these things that I had grandfathered into getting for free and I just kept getting grandfathered into every Counter Strike and every time I never paid for Counter Strike go that I remember right I don't think I did maybe I did I don't think I did I paid for Counter Strike girl I bought it did I have to I think maybe I had to I don't even remember but it feels like I've just always had every Counter Strike for I didn't pay for Counter Strike source that was definitely free yeah oh no I paid for Half Life two and Counter Strike source because I bought the gold the the red box the orange box Oh yeah the orange box orange box anyway but I'm pretty sure I didn't pay for a lot of but if you've played Counter Strike go play Counter Strike go Counter Strike go is now free loaded up for free and play regular mode yep or demolition mode which that's regular mode no demolition mode is act now you're not not bomb diffusal demolition oh they have that mode that's like smaller maps and shorter objectives Oh that one yeah yeah where there's only one bomb site like that kind of stuff that's fun that mode is actually real fun because it's just small Counter Strike yep it's small quick Counter Strike so in some other news right so we're going to talk about Smash today I just wanted to quickly mention or geek bite this thing that I bought it's the eight bit do G bro wireless adapter so what this is it's a little purple guy right and it's got I like how it's purple it's a little purple guy that looks sort of like the style of a game cube controller it's got four buttons on it and on one side is sort of that connector that was in the bottom of a remote you know that weird yeah because Nintendo is actually using that connector for all those classic tiny consoles like the NES classic and the SNES classic those all have that same bottom of remote controller connector on bottom of them for like their SNES and SNES controller it looks like a sort of USB yeah I don't know what that thing on the bottom of remote was but we'll call it bottom of remote connector and on the other side of it it has GameCube controller connector and what you do with this thing is you get it you put in two AA batteries you clap it closed you push your button to turn it on you hold down another button and it connects to your switch and your switch thinks it's a switch controller and then you plug in either say you know one of your controllers from your NES or SNES classic or your your classic controller that you plugged into the bottom of your remote right or you know a GameCube controller into the other side and now those controllers are connecting wirelessly to your switch so you can play Smash Brothers with your real GameCube controller on your switch wirelessly if you're super pro there I haven't measured it obviously but a lot of people online are measuring the lag of different controller options there's a lot of YouTube videos and other articles measuring the lag of different controller options for controllers for Smash Brothers on the switch but if you don't care about lag because you're nowhere near pro and you suck anyway you just want to use a GameCube controller because it's comfy and sit on your couch far away from the TV without a wire that at least you have a wire but it doesn't go very far right doesn't have to go all the way to your switch near TV the 8 bit do is not a bad purchase at all it totally worked right out of the box and you can also even use it with your PC if you really want to you can connect your GameCube controller to play Steam games Oh actually I could I got one just for that more so than using it with yeah there's a little gray switch on the top that goes between S for switch and X for I think it just like Bluetooth I'm not sure I haven't tried it but yeah you can connect to a PC with it yeah I see a whole bunch of options like the spec sheet talks about I think it has has a little USB a micro USB connector so I think you can actually plug it into the PC with the micro USB I don't haven't tried that either anyway it's worth it if you're needed but anyway things of the day what do you got for me so I don't know the whole story here but I saw this posted and I got enough info to make it a thing of the day it seems that it's in Russia I'm pretty sure it's in Russia a group of people in a lot of of stock Russia in Russia there was a bridge and the bridge was cars only no pedestrians and these people wanted to get across the other side maybe they were protesting the fact that there was no pedestrian path maybe they just really needed to get across maybe there's teenagers and that's what you do just having a fun time but anyway they just put in a costume and dressed up as a vehicle had to go over the vehicle only bridge and they had one of their friends were like a safety vest with some lights to keep them from getting run over walk behind her in front of them or whatever and that's awesome that's an awesome way of protesting I wish we could have I don't know if they are protesting it's not clear because I've seen some other people speculate that the person in the vest actually is a cop who was like ah no no no no and was walking him back the other way that's possible it's not clear that's also possible but regardless we could do even if they're not protesting and just being silly I want to do this kind of protest to protest say cars cars parked in the bike lane ah just crash into cars parked in the bike lane no dress up as a car and park in a bike lane dress up as a bike park in a car lane I don't know something like that so many of you might have seen the Super Mario Brothers movie I saw it so quick story ah I saw it an opening night in the theater it was my friend's birthday party and we were good in the summer and we were going to go see the Super Mario Brothers movie which I believe is a summer blockbuster and we went to the movie theater and we're sitting in the movie theater and the movie theater failed to play the movie what to do some sort of technical problem in the projection room to really dodge the bullet bill there and I was very disappointed as a child who loved the Mario and watched the Super Mario Brothers Super Show and played in NES and then we just I have taken one step and then again we went to the park and played softball instead and I think it was like someone told I think we were just talking about it recently with the person whose birthday party it was and they were like yeah it was like a million degrees out we that's why we wanted to go to the air condition movie theater but anyway that's I didn't see it until much later and I was disappointed again so it's weird because the idea of it being like this weird almost cyberpunk looking dystopia like I feel like that could work the movie was just badly made yeah it was a bad movie like it could have been good even as weird as it was but this is a 30 minute documentary that explains in pretty deep and fascinating detail with a lot of things I had no idea about why it was so bad Geek Knights is very guilty of doing 30 minute reviews of 20 minute episodes of shows where you just watch the show you don't need to listen to the art of, you know, talking to us we talk longer about the thing than the thing is I feel like you spend 30 minutes listening to talking about a 90 minute movie you can just watch the 90 minute movie but you watch the movie you'll be like wow that was bad as it is and didn't make sense except for the Babam and Big Bertha was literally the only good parts of the movie the Babam was the good part yeah the Babam and Big Bertha were good I don't remember Big Bertha I just remember the Babam Big Bertha has a kiss with Mario I remember the Babam though love you some Babams but it is shocking how like how fucked up the production schedule of this movie was and why it was the way it was and I think Dennis Hopper kept saying that to this day this is the only thing in his entire life he regrets is being in this fucking movie why wouldn't of course you'd regret having anything to do with this movie everyone in the whole list of credits regrets having anything to do with this movie in the meta moment the Geek Nuts book club book is still a Space Odyssey 2001 yeah so I don't have to work between next basically at the end of this week I'm done until I have to work one day before MAG Fest like new January 2nd after work I got to work basically every day I don't have to work again until the Monday after MAG Fest so that's gonna I'm basically guaranteed to read this book in that zone I actually promised that I'll read that book in that time frame all right I will because actually I looked I think we've done less book clubs in 2018 than previous years it's been a busy year yeah so well hopefully 2019 my goal is to do at least one more book club than 2018 part of it's my commute so short now that I can't really read on the way to work anymore hmm so yeah we'll be doing that also we will be at multiple upcoming conventions so if you want to see us again live at MAG Fest we will be doing oh I don't even know what we're doing the 40 games you must play great not just tabletop great I came up with a good rule the rule will be in this panel for the games we list the main rule is they have to be relatively easily playable today by an average most of our games are out of print hard to get yeah anyway yeah rare game mechanics okay and read the rules as a panel with some really smart people okay and then it packs south we will be doing nostalgia versus game design okay and potentially another learn and play we're going to bring the learn and play and play to win the same thing we're doing it unplugged we're going to try to bring it to another pack so stay tuned on that there's a good chance we'll do it at pack south but it's not it's not set in stone yet because let me blow my nose no one wants to do harm of games I can make it in like two second but I'm not gonna I thought hmm three is good that means we all have more time for magfest all right smash time because there's below the wikipedia too about smash brothers yeah the franchise wiki okay because we don't there's nothing about smash brothers we don't know I'm sure there is but it's nothing that matters so I'm going to admit something about smash brothers you suck at it I'm actually I'm okay better than you maybe I think now because you didn't play the previous one really I did I had it I've played every smash brother did you ever play the previous one against humans yeah a little bit a little bit a little bit okay I was about as awful as I was with all the other previous ones but I never really liked the Nintendo 64 and I never owned one so I never played the N64 smash brothers until I got to RIT Oh I played it a whole bunch in high school and all you people in the lounge we're like huh smash like you're going to smash you're all talking about like it was a thing and I was like what that dumb Mario fighting game all right and then I played it with all of you and my opinion was not changed and I did not enjoy it at all the game is way good at least I only have good memories of playing it I haven't played it in many years but I only was I only have good memories of playing N64 smash it was not until the Gamecube smash where I was 100% smash Gamecube smash was excellent and all those nerds think is the best one the Gamecube smash I don't know if it's the best one because the new one will have to stand as the one the pros love right I think it's the best one disc if we exclude the potential for ultimate to be the best one anyway I think it is the best one because the N64 one was not that fun in my opinion well the we won right was like it seemed really not I mean you know just from the perspective of a non pro player right like it just wasn't it just didn't have the excitement of the Gamecube one right even though it had more stuff I guess that was it was at Brawl yeah but it might have been partly the problem was that we play you played smash the original one in like high school with friends and then we all played the Gamecube one in college together in the same room and with like passing the controllers around on a TV but I just my memory of the Brawl one on the we was that it was just sort of like slower at least my you know this is my memory which is not the greatest oh you couldn't get your free and perfect inputs in anymore yeah okay no but it's you know it felt it you know it felt like more sluggish and less you know dynamic than the the Gamecube one yeah and then the one that came after that which was on the Wii U and the DS I only played the DS the one ever played the Wii U one yep I thought it would be good it was supposedly the same game and it was pretty good like it was fun like I played it the problem was because it couldn't be played on a shared console it was very hard to get games of it going because online play on a Nintendo thing is just garbage out the door yeah even though I owned every I owned every smash except for the N64 one because I was played on someone else's N64 but the DS one which I still have the cartridge right next to my DS I played it the least like I didn't even I don't even know if I unlocked all the characters well the main reason was that I the only time I could really get that going to be at a party or at a convention in both of those contexts the local wireless just didn't fucking work ever games would crash more often than not it was true worthless yep and at a PAX like it packs off PAX OS the second PAX OS was the last time I tried to play that smash I literally could not finish even one game and the entirety of PAX mm-hmm people and we were all trying also no one was going to buy a freaking Wii U right it was really the Wii use fault you know is that like if the Wii U was a real thing we would all had Wii use and you know played it at parties and stuff right but because we did play the Wii one at parties and such and the other trouble was while it was a legit good smash game I don't know anyone who has a Wii U on the 3D at Matt has one I think maybe but I mean like maybe there are people have we use that I know but I don't know that they have a Wii U that's like maybe people I know have an STD but I don't know Scott Johnson might have a Wii U I don't I don't know and we don't want to find out I don't know if he has one or not but the what the problem with the 3DS one was that there weren't enough pixels on that screen no not really so the game like didn't really work the same way maybe we did a gig nice on it when it came out and I forget we did and well we'd pretty sure I remember what we said I don't remember what we said at all if we did it or not I don't know we did the episode but anyway four years later Smash Brothers Ultimate is out and we got it so on the switch which is a great improvement over the other previous options yep so I've been playing it a bunch I've been unlocking stuff I've mostly been playing single player because we haven't had parties at my house but we're about to have New Year's where we're going to play it a bunch about to play a bunch of multiplayer in the near future so MagFest we're going to play the shit out of it packs out three events in a row we're going to play the shit out of this game unless it sucks and we don't want to play it anymore yeah but at least that's how I can say this because we're not going to review like all the content we don't care about in this game like there's a lot of things you can unlock that I just don't care I've never cared about that stuff you can read some guide about it but in terms of the act I want to talk about that stuff we'll talk about a little bit the spirit whatever I just don't care about the spirit nonsense but in terms of the actual core gameplay it feels right play it to play it to unlock even though I don't as an adult I don't want to unlock shit I just want all the characters and I'm annoyed I have to unlock them I'm very annoyed I remember at RIT we would like pass around the one good memory card that had everything unlocked yep and I remember like multiple parties that were ruined because we'd be at someone's like apartment on campus we're going to bust out the smash they don't have all the characters unlock and none of us brought the magic unlock her with us and now we're stuck playing my memory card had everything unlocked yep and we passed your memory card around anyway in terms of like the feel of the game like I'm not a pro and I never will be right but in terms of like playing the smash you know it's like everything feels like all the old smashes right all the timing feels right the moves are right the only thing that feels wrong and I'm not knowledgeable enough to know you know fighting game wise if this is different from previous matches I'm really curious what you're about to say is that there's some sort of like input buffering going on right so for example I'm gonna say I do a really slow attack like I do a big old hammer swing like whoosh right and so that's that'll probably be like I guess for Kirby's hammer swing it's what like it's special it's like you know special to the right alright it's like you know I don't play Kirby I don't Kirby's good I don't like Kirby anyway I'm all about the princess you know the guy who made Smash Brothers Sakura I got to start making Kirby games he's the Kirby guy I don't like playing Kirby anyway but let's say you do a really slow attack and in the middle of that slow attack let's say you just press A regular attack right and then you don't touch anything when you're as soon as that special attacks animation finishes the A attack will just like come out like it's been stored in the buffer right so fighting game people like that's a natural thing to them like buffering up moves for combos and stuff like that right and I may this may have been in the previous Smash's I don't know if it's a new in this one but maybe just because I'm older slower more knowledgeable of the sort of thing from watching a bunch of speed runners smash for we you input buffering in depth okay so anyway I never attempted to buffer inputs because I wasn't I've never attempted to buffer an input in my life what I'm saying is that what all my natural thing to do when I'm playing a game like this supposedly it's only in brawl and for okay anyway well that wiki might not be updated for the new yeah I mean the new one I assume also has a new one has it but anyway I assume it wasn't in the previous ones right anyway at least not in what happens is just as someone who's playing naturally sort of not button mashing but also not a pro in my zone where I am right where I'm pushing buttons with intent knowing what they do but also sort of mashing them and not being having any finesse or yes smash 64 and smash melee had no like intuitive or usable buffering mechanics exactly okay so what what I do any buffering you could pull off was basically like frame perfect bullshit right so what I do as a natural just my muscle memory is for example I'll be doing a slow move right I'll swing a hammer real slow and things are still happening while this animation is going on so let's say you're you know I do the slow move and then someone's coming in from the top so I'll start mashing like an up a right because like I want that up a to come out as soon as possible right but then you know I'm mashing that up a but meanwhile as I'm mashing it and the slow animation is still happening maybe things change and that person's now coming in behind me so I switched like a left a instead of an up a right yeah right so it's like in the olden days what would happen with the no input buffering is as soon as my animation finished basically whatever I push next would happen so even though I switched a left a the left a is what happens right as soon as I managed to press it on a free frame I think the reason this bothers you is probably just that because you didn't play a lot of like those right exactly so with input buffering what happens is I was pushing the up a during my animation I switched to the left a but no that up a is in the buffer and once my big slow animation finishes the up a comes out and it's like no I switched to the left a why is this up a in the buffer right I would really much rather have it eat all of my inputs unless I'm on a free frame and then accept inputs again just because that's what feels natural to someone who's not a fighting game player and isn't thinking about input buffering yeah it just naturally like whatever button I'm pressing is what I want to fucking happen right and if I push something and it didn't happen because I was busy doing something else then I don't expect that thing to suddenly happen later if I've switched to telling you something else well all it means is gonna get used to not committing to a buffered action in the middle of a long right I have to wait for the animation to finish and then and then and then do a brain do a frame perfect input on the free frame figuring out or or buffer one input and wait it for that move to happen and then buffer another input right it just it's just not natural to someone who's not a fighting game player and I think that it's sort of like you got this smashed brothers as a whole the story of it is that it's two games it's a game for these pro fighting game people but is different from all the other fighting games but is still a pro competitive game and it is also this wacky crazy party game with a bunch of items and ridiculous nonsense and it's somehow managed to be both at once really well better than any other game is two things at once but also still has problems because it's trying to be two things at once right you know the pro people have to have to use these features that they've added quite nicely in fact that allowed them to limit they've added all these break profiles you can make to where it's like okay you could I could add like pro mode to the game so you you customize like okay don't use any of these maps don't use any of these characters don't use any of these items keep only like the items that are skilled and then you save that configuration and then later on when you come back you just be like pro mode go and it's already in pro mode right it's already you can save those setups so we're you know back in the day we used to constantly like oh we forgot to switch it to stock five none of that you just save standard stock mode and then when you go to play with your friends you go stock mode go because frankly in my personal taste stock five is the only way to play I don't care about right now I don't like the frantic get kills mode no no no because I'm not a pro and I never will be a pro the point is pros play stock on princess going back and forth along the top avoiding Scott and let him do my dirty work anyway so they've added that pros have to eliminate all the fun stuff right even though they've made it easier for them to do it but normal people the the actual mechanics of the game right like the buffering and other things like that aren't really changed right for them you they can't like disable or make the game simpler or wackier control wise so even when you're playing crazy party mode the pro stuff doesn't go away so if you play with a pro person you're gonna get ruined yeah and they've added to so many like really fine details in this game like before yeah but it's like it matters it's like you know you can if you roll more if you like roll a whole bunch constantly you start rolling slower well they've always had that if you even in brawl or the the melee I'm pretty sure if you kept using one move of any kind that move was gipped in some way if you kept doing it but it's like there's so much subtle finesse stuff going on in smash that has the super high skill cap and that super high skill cap is always there you can't turn it off I kind of liked that though casual player or even like I like it if I was a competitive player but as a casual player you won't even know the game just sometimes something funny happens you're not quite sure why yeah but it's also sometimes frustrating to play as a casual player because it's like oh I thought I was hit why did I get hit there right and instead of me hitting you I was trying I was doing a move dude the game to a casual player will never ask the question why did I get hit I asked that all the time well you asked that in you asked that in turn based games no but it happens a lot we're like I'm swinging my sword someone else is swinging a sword and then I'm the one who takes damage it's like why right the game you know I don't know a probe for a pro person that would just be natural but for casual player it sometimes can be frustrating yep right the only thing that annoys like the game is fun and it feels right and like the smash mechanics feel good I just don't like to have to unlock things I really don't like unlocking anything I never like to have to unlock things I don't even have to pay should just be all the characters just be there the end like I never I still don't have game and watch my second fave guy I still don't have him and I remember it's not like we've changed even at RIT like I said we hated unlocking things and we sort of like always played on one memory card to unlock everything as fast as possible so everyone would have everything unlocked yeah it's like that's something I could do when I was younger I was talking to someone who was like oh yeah I just unlocked it like you know an afternoon you know it's like he's like yeah that's five or six days for this guy I was talking to he was like yeah it's on a ten minute timer so what you do is you wait ten minutes and then you come back to the game when you unlock a character and you then you go away again and I'm like first of all I'm not that good so when I even went I get a new challenger appearing sometimes I lose well that's just sad I don't know what's wrong with you I've only lost once ever well and I said I'm not very good and two it's like really that's I don't have time for that shit to sit there at a ten minute timer like you know it's like I'm an adult I have shit to do I'm not like some person I have a job I gotta go work it's like I don't have time to sit there and baby this game console for ten every ten minutes for hours on end like on the game keep smash all those other modes I never gave her shit I never I guess if you're someone with really no time then you can go that's not a problem for you but but I never went into those modes the only exception was I would do the sandbag sometimes because that was fun the sandbag's not in there where my sandbag at yeah why isn't he a character that's also true why isn't the sandbag a character I'd play him yeah but yeah it's like okay even if you know you have the time to waste on that it's like that's not fun that's busy work right it's like I just want to play the game I don't and have the fun and do the fun part I don't want to do this busy work in order to play the game I don't want to grind up and level up my character in order to play the RPG I just want to like I'm sure there are people who really enjoy that cycle and enjoy that so-called story mode but enjoy so story mode in any smash game ever well so this the the spirit guy this is the the world the ever spirit world mode the way it works is you walk around this map and there's different encounters on the map right so for example you'll encounter you know some some character right and it's a character that is not actually in the smash so let me think of an example like Skullman from from Mega Man right so like Skullman from Mega Man and but when you actually get in the fight it's you're fighting against a Mega Man character because it's still Smash Brothers and they'll they didn't add Skullman to Mega Man right but it's Mega Man and he's white and he behaves in a certain way that's reminiscent of Skullman right so it's sort of like you know the closest and it's and some of them are really kind of hilarious and clever right like you know and even when you play the classic mode it's like if you play as Dr. Mario in classic mode all the battles you do it's like okay fight four Yoshi's a red a green and a three three colored Yoshi's to match the three colors of germs that Dr. Mario fought and it's like you're doing all these encounters that are custom Smash battles to match these you know characters that are sort of being represented right uh you know that aren't in Smash Brothers and it's it's really kind of cute and fun all the different battles are like little fun puzzles to solve the problem with it is that many of these battles in the spirit world mode thing are basically it's like you go in and you die in one hit and like what the fuck was that nonsense it's because there's actually this grindy RPG where you get spirits and spirit like essences things and you combine them and level them up to increase your energy or whatever and well you get snacks you can feed them snacks you feed them snacks to give them more points and this difference like there's a rock paper scissors going on so you actually need a red spirit a green spirit and a blue spirit feels like if you fight a green one you need to have a red one I think no see I'm fine with all of this you need to level otherwise if you go into that battle they kill you in one hit and if you level up it's like ah now we actually have a normal percentages I don't die in one anymore see that's it the only thing I don't like about the mode is I don't want to have to grind and level stuff up now I'd like to shoot them like puzzles it would be great to just have all these cute encounters that where it's like you know low look it's a Pac-Man encounter get it I get it it's hilarious is great very creative of you that's awesome right you know well I think the way I might handle this is for a long time and eventually I'll acquire so many snacks so what I'm doing well no you acquire the snacks by using playing the mode I'm pretty sure I was getting them from story mode rest when I'm on classic mode you get some in there but also if you go in play the game in the mode you get to like the cave and you can put your spirits in the cave and they just level up in there you know it's like it's you know but I'm doing it because it's fun and also because what I do is I play it and then when I stop playing it it says oh a new challenger appeared so it's like play the spirit mode and I'm just playing it normally you know and then when I stop playing it oh look a character has been unlocked right it's sort of a convenient yep a convenient deal I guess pretty much though all I'm gonna go for is unlocking all of the main characters oh yeah that is all I actually want once you've unlocked all the cause all the maps are unlocked to begin with so once you've unlocked all the characters you are now in multiplayer heaven party mode heaven you have everybody yep and then there'll be DLC probably like more characters and more maps there is but a Nintendo has seemed to settled on this sort of model of DLC but not evil DLC at least not super evil DLC where basically it's an expansion yeah so like Zelda Breath of the Wild did the same thing where like you pay one fee you're basically instead of you could pay $50 for this game but if you pay $75 for this game we'll give you a lot more game right there isn't any DLC like after that so like with Smash you buy it for 50, 60 bucks or whatever they charge for it and then after you put it in your switch you know it's like okay if you give us like 25 more dollars we're gonna give you like all these expansion content for the next you know year plus right you're gonna get all these extra characters and all this extra stuff and it's like oh mm okay yeah I'm not too broken off about that like that's fine it's not like it's not like they're not selling you pay to win they're not selling you micro loot boxes with random stuff it's not like that unconfirmed news about Fallout 76 if true means we'll never play it it's not any different than buying an expansion for a board game basically right you know it's like you pay some extra money to get more stuff or don't whatever but I think just based on my play of core Smash mechanics the only part I actually care about it's a perfectly fine Smash it is now the new Smash for anyone who isn't like Counter-Strike 1, 6 and Gamecube Smash only I don't know how pro people feel about it I don't care there is a guy who claims to be the best player of the previous Smash the DS Wii U1 well 3DS and he has a YouTube channel I'll send a link to it if I can find it how'd you watch that and he talks about the new Smash and like the technical details of it in a way that I can understand and it's very informative and good and his videos are good I don't know if he's actually the best of the previous Smash but I won't doubt him I'm just you know I can't confirm it I'm the best of the previous Smash sure but the problem is is I cannot execute anything he has taught me anything he's taught me I couldn't actually do when I was playing the game even though I understood what he was saying but I think this is going to get a lot of play the good I guess what's going to be really good for us old timers is that we literally have three or four major gaming conventions and events where this will get played pretty much right after it came out mm-hmm so it also has so many characters and maps and items and all that stuff I think the replay value really isn't going to run out right yeah that you know actually the N64 is really the only one that didn't have enough content where you could play it out like I've played every character and every map against every yeah the GameCube one never really got played after it like I would play it right now starting at the GameCube one there was always enough characters and enough maps that you wouldn't get bored and then it only got bigger so now it's so big I can't imagine ever needing more like I don't feel like I'm going to buy the next Smash whenever it comes if it ever comes because like what do I need it for I have this Smash I'm not playing it on the internet or competitively yeah that's the thing that the biggest things we can't answer yet are one you know they say pen ultimate and then ultimate it's not pen ultimate Smash it's Smash ultimate that means final I don't need another Smash so the open questions the things we cannot review one will the online multiplayer work at all I will never pay I will never pay for Nintendo online also everyone says that it's really bad I believe them and number two much more important not to pay for Nintendo online I never will you shouldn't either will local wireless play work at all I won't know until I try Nintendo's betting zero on local multiplayer for about some time now and I'm really worried it won't even on GBAs where it worked with the cables the cables would come loose and you couldn't reconnect them ruining like a three hour game of advanced wars yep there's no way to recover from that yep so yeah I'm going to be smashing you should be smashing too let's smash right all right good show I need to I do too