 So can we get an update just on where are we out here in the third week of LTA's and what you're hoping to get out in the last two of these? Yeah, D-Led, the same thing. Just continue to build up, get ready for the season. Things that we've added from the off season, things we want to work on. And again, this is a passing camp. We know what the rules are, and it's been very beneficial to us. But we'll continue that build up, and really it's what we want to see. We've added some situational things as we've gone along. You'll see us in the red zone today, that kind of stuff. And transactionally, I know y'all said DeBrosa's going to keep track of it. Absolutely, yeah. And you got a new cornerback in boarder. Brion, yeah. So with Brion and Tennessee during the 20 COVID year, excited to have Brion coming here and compete. So what it looks like going forward. But yeah, D-Led, it's the way that everything's gone in the league. It's unfortunate when you have to make moves, and it's never lost on us. There's no human element to it. We understand that, but it's an opportunity for Brion. You said it the full time. Correct. It's like D-Offered last year, and the guy that seemed like really put himself behind. What do they have to do to become so in position? Sure. Yeah, I mean, you can make a ton of improvement, Mike. When I say that, it's not dismissing this time of year. But it's putting things into context about what ultimately is going to come down to is how people perform in August throughout the preseason. As we lead up to the regular season, when you got to make that last, well, now there's one giant cut down. So that's what I'm just putting that perspective. Like when you're dealing with issues up front, like we're not going full speed. You're not going to be evaluating a lot of the live blocks. You're certainly not tackling. But when you get into some of the movement skills and really scheme and the communication, you see how people develop and the things that you are evaluating this time of year that show up, the consistency. Guy may make a mistake one day, fixes it, continues to improve. Those are things that jumped out with D last year and still jump out to me this year. He's a guy that continues to improve, and we're excited. But yeah, he's had a great spring in that relative context. I wouldn't sit put it that way, Mike. But there's certain things when that's our job, when you're making certain transactions, we think I got maybe a better scheme fit, or there's maybe a better opportunity somewhere else. We know that schematically this isn't going to fit for the player. But the player is going to have to play, he may go somewhere else. So I don't know the way you asked it. But I think with the context, it helps. But you certainly, when you want to add somebody, you're going to have to make a move here in 90. You have spoken before about appreciating the improvement you saw from Desmond from his first start to game three and four. I know we saw statistically, but can you talk about what you saw statistically that you liked it? And has he been able to continue that momentum in this all season? Yes, I mean, gone on record many times about it. I mean, we're talking when you go out there and you start for the first time in your career, you can go back with history and see guys that even as rookies played more than that. A lot of guys that have struggled and been able to work through it. There's been guys that have gone into situations that are and put everything on their back and they've been around really solid defenses and kind of managed the game. And as they grew and they got that second contract and you're starting to really win because of them. We've seen guys that I said, I think the Peyton Manning story is right. He broke the interception record. Go back. There's some great hot takes. You look at Peyton Manning, you know, before they got rolling an endy. It's kind of comical when you look at it now, but when you go back and look at history. So I'm not putting Des in that category. So nobody please don't mince my words and says, hey, coach, compare them to this great player. You see a lot of that BS going on this time of year, which is comical. But that's not what I'm saying. So the improvement, you know, is four starts. You're looking at the situational stuff he handles, right? I mean, you may get off to a rough start. You know, can you settle down? Can you adapt? You see what their game plan is? And it's those critical downs. Third down, I talk about all the time. Third down, rezoned two minutes. And I thought he made a lot of strides there. And then this time of year, as we continue to enhance the offense, but he's not learning a new language. We knew it was leadership traits. Those are real. You see those now that he feels like, hey, this is my turn to speak out. That's all the stuff right now that you're evaluating. And we've been very pleased with it. Yeah, Taylor's been a great addition to the room. And going record to that, Logan Woodside's done a nice job, too. And so those things, you've got to take into consideration. The rules change, right? That's the way we want to go. We certainly haven't made that decision now. But if you want to address three quarterbacks, they've got to be on your 53. So there's more opportunities and a league where I think, especially with the linemen and the quarterbacks, you're trying to find every way possible to develop guys. That's an obstacle you've got to try to get creative to overcome. And I've been very pleased with both Taylor and what he's added to that room, and then what Logan's done. The improvement Logan's made from when I first saw him in 2018 when I was with him in 1920 and what he's done so far. So I'm pleased with that room. But some of it, and there's a lot of things you're evaluating the day after day. There's always, and this was the same thing will happen at the camp, the same thing happens rarely. And you see the people that come out, smoking out of the gate, and then all of a sudden they get fatigued, whether it's physically or mentally, and they start to trail off. It's a little bit of what I was talking about the other day, again, people can take a headline, and I don't blame them. I mean, when I was talking about planning to play 2021, I would hope every team is. I mean, that's a lot of time, and if you're not getting yourself physically and mentally ready to go through a long season, a long campaign, I would think that would be just about every team that's league, maybe the exception of one or two. And that's kind of what I was talking about. It's a buildup to it. So it's the same when you're going about day to day in the OTAs, what are you really evaluating? You're evaluating their daily habits, how they handle the schemes you're throwing at them, special teams, the learning, the application, even the drills. I mean, that's what you're trying to look for. It's the people that are doing what looks like an EKG that you're not really excited about. So if we can, that, I don't know what medical chart there is, somebody smarter than me can figure that out if there is one. But that's kind of what you're looking for. Would you go to an intern today? That's my daughter, Sophie. Tanner's here, too, and that's my oldest. They didn't want to go to their school camp, so we'll find more from the do here. They were actually more fired up when I showed them the digital media studio this morning. I didn't realize what the YouTube award is. I was telling Bassidy, they got real fired up about the YouTube. There's a thing for a certain number of subscribers, yeah. So learn something new every day, even from your kids. But fired up, they're able to come over here to work. In terms of what, do you mean like? Just different things. Yeah, I mean, there's things that we throw out. I'm like, we're going to constantly evolve. We'll never step away from our core values, what the intent, the way we want to play and the type of players we want in here, and the accountability, and the growth we try to appreciate on our guys, whether they're going into their 16th year or second year. But we, and I would argue that our facts back that up. Just watch how we played in 21 to what we did last year. And we'll be a little bit different this year. And that's our job. You're not going to have the same team year after year, but there's a certain culture that's thrown around a lot that's pretty vague. And but those are the things that we preach and we work on. But schematically, we're going to adapt. And so when you go out this time of year, there's some things that we've studied in the off season, things we obviously carry over. There's things we want to enhance, little small nuances that, unless you're in the meetings, you wouldn't recognize sometimes. But how has he handled that? And I think he's handled that really well. I don't get all excited if you have the wrong building and you live and die of the day-to-day narratives and you don't have the whole building in sync. I've seen what people get sideways. Also, they're charting completion percentage. I promise you, you tell them about manipulating something. If I wanted to manipulate and feel good and want to play a lot of soft zone, I could get his completion things up. I think Sophie could hit a couple of check downs. No offense, Sophie. But, and then we could feel warm and fuzzy. Oh, he was at 90% accuracy and a seven on seven in an OTA. It's ridiculous. Like, so what we're able to do, what we're trying to push and progress, feel very confident. That's our job. We're going to challenge our guys and we're going to challenge ourselves as coaches to improve. So I take that with context as we build up into the regular season. And I don't have like that flat pitch mark like a while, feel warm and fuzzy because Des won six for seven in the first OTA period. You know, he hit three check downs and a really soft underneath route versus, you know, Tampa two, whatever. We don't have those, but we do measure his progress. And there's a lot of things that we get into that we track, that we feel are actual relative to the job. I'm going to ask him to do a start in September 10th. What are you kind of now? Yeah, I think it's going to be fun during training camp. I think you're going to watch, it's going to be like Rocky Four, Nielsen versus Ledford. Going back to their days at NC State. You know, they're both front guys at heart. That's their passion, but all the people we've hired here are passionate in their own way. Like I don't want 24 carbon copies of myself. Like you got to beat yourself. We hire guys for a reason, usually because they're smart, they're passionate, they're problem solvers. They got unbelievable work ethic. And so when you, that's kind of your compass to find the right coaches that we feel that. And we got a lot of great teachers in Jerry that he does it his own way. But Ryan certainly is intense, but I'm looking forward to the Nielsen, Ledford training camp. Mike, they've been competing in the weight room. Even though they're not out there, and they take that count, they're not a PH of it. They're just kind of throwbacks. So. Going back to the seven on seven though, we were taught, you know, who was we? Me and the older guys. Okay. Sherman Lewis and Holger, and then we'll say, you know, there were time where the bar never touched the ground with Montana and Young. And then that's what their measurement stick was for bar. So that's why we look at the seven on sevens to see. It's everybody handles seven on seven. There's some teams that live and die by the seven on seven. I think things evolve. Those guys were, they had a lot of success and they had their ways of doing things. Sure, sure. I mean, you go by Jerry, he's a great example. Let's take a Jerry Rice. Jerry Rice played what, 19 years? You go back and watch NFL films. Can somebody give me the load management and Jerry Rice? Because I've watched things where he talks about running tons and tons of full speed reps on Friday. Like I think now you'd have some of these really guys that would be scared of death. They watched how Jerry Rice worked. But somehow he found out to play 19 years. So Jerry, glad you brought him up. That's a great example of an old school work ethic that would still apply today. Now, what those guys probably did, and Ken, he led that they had a lot of success. It's like when I hear coaches sometimes feel like their method actors use a whole Bill Walsh cliche that was applied 40 years ago before you could really change the rosters is the way you do it. And then all the transactions and use some of those. And I think they apply today on the surface. That makes me kind of laugh. So those guys obviously used the 7 on 7 for a different reason. I don't remember off the top of my head what the schemes were they were playing against. Again, those were, maybe they let you in the meeting. He told me they used to let you in the training room. So they didn't let you in the meetings. So those a lot of them were true progression offenses. There's so many different variations of that. So a lot of people, they just copy, say, oh, it's West Coast. You go back to Bill Walsh. And that offense, the style he wanted to play, that kind of evolved from Paul Brown, right, a necessity of trying to supplement the run game. And that took it to another level. And they had the same players over and over and over again he led. And then you talk about the timing, the spacing, the trust of those things. And that was a progression in the way the defense were playing. Now you're getting all these hybrids. You're getting all these crazy post-snap looks and these crazy puts that's coming from them. Again, it's a math game. And there's a lot of offenses. You go back to the run and shoot. So if you had covered the Oilers or had been here early on with June Jones, they probably would have educated you a little bit different way. Both of them had unbelievable success. So I'm not going to get into these active schemes, but that's their method. If you're going to be a progression West Coast and they're in zone, they felt good about that. Clearly, that carried over for them and that worked for their team. The way we've evolved, there's a lot of things we ask the quarterback to do that we try to take advantage of. That's why a lot of times you get these people on these talk shows or they sat in a quarterback meeting room and, well, this is where Sharon Lewis taught me. This is how you do it. You can take the same play and go to 30 other buildings and they have a little tweak. There may be an advantage throw. You may get one-on-one on the back side. So you say, screw your progression. I'm going to take that. You may say, hey, look, we're getting this coverage. Hey, we're going to start over here. A lot of ways to do it. So it makes this game fascinating. So a little bit of part of that, I got it. Those guys, that's taking not a damn thing away from them because they were wildly successful, but there's different ways you measure it. They may not get as excited at team run as I do, or they may not get excited about the play-action stuff as I do, right? So their philosophies, like I said, I mean, you get some guys that get up there and they talk about, you have to do this. The footwork has to be right. Then I watch some of the guys that throw them for 5,000 yards, take a 12-step drop, and it's like a magician back there and throw back across. Is that a great play call or is that two great players? I don't know. We can have that debate all day, too. So I'll get off my soapbox, but there's a lot of ways to do it, and there's more than one. So like the run game wasn't they? Yeah, those guys had a lot of success there, and there's some unbelievable coaches. And some of them have a Boston can. And some of them probably deserve a Boston can. Yeah. And what's the update? Yeah, so Avery, he'll probably be done for the year. So that's unfortunate, but that's, and I'll officially know more that he's gonna have a procedure done tomorrow. Yeah, I mean, Avery's, his roles changed certainly from year one to year two, where it didn't change in the kicking game. Certainly as our punt returner, there'll be opportunities. You know what I mean? Plenty of opportunities for Mike Hughes, or the Offert, or Penny Hart, somebody will step up, Josh Hawley. It's unfortunate, but, you know, in an unfortunate situation because of the player Avery is, he'll wholeheartedly, he'll come back better and improved. And it's unfortunate, you know, similar to one wheel, Jaden Graham out there at a practice on a non-contact. You study it, you look at it, take things into context. How do we educate ourselves, you know, some things that just can't control, but what you can't control, you look at. I think, you know, we had Jaden Graham our first year, similar. A.J. McCarran, that was in a pre-season game down in Miami. Derek Tangelo, in a practice last year out there, and then now, unfortunately, Avery. So all a little bit different, but there are some similarities that you try to look at. We love Avery. He's got the right mindset, and I fully expect him to come back, ready to roll. It was, no, it was an ACL. Which just has me fast forward to Sunday, looking ahead to the mini-camp. What are some of the things you want to get done at the mini-camp? Same thing, I mean, it's going to look, yeah, I mean, you'll have more people here. Put pads, maybe. No, we can't put pads. You trying to get me fined? I'm not a rose, go ahead. That would not be a fun summer, paying that check and cost this organization, and I will never do that to this place. It'll be very similar to your head. Yeah, yeah, but here's, and what is a bad news, and take it as a context, but it is a good sign that he's having a procedure done tomorrow. Because those are, when you really look at it, you know, and people, if anybody's dealt with it, I mean, I looked up the stat, I mean, there's 250,000 people here. You say that, deal with it? I had one of my siblings did it in a skiing thing. Did you do it? You do it? Yeah. Yeah, so you've dealt with it, so I think it's encouraging, and what it is, a forced situation that he's able to have that procedure done pretty early. Thank you. All right, thanks, coach. Appreciate it, guys.