 Insulate Britain have driven the issue of energy efficiency in UK homes to the top of the political agenda. But their method of doing so, locking cars by sitting on main roads, has made them lots of enemies in the process. Spurred on by a hostile press, we've already seen many incidents where members of the public have forcibly removed protesters from the street. That's now escalated, with an elderly protester being targeted with ink. Let's take it look. It wasn't painful, it didn't hurt. It was unpleasant, but just sad, you know, the whole thing is sad. You know, it's sad that we have to do this. I hate doing it. You know, I'm a retired doctor, I've spent my life trying to help people and I'm reduced to having to do this, because the government won't address the problem adequately, basically. Are you worried about violence against you? Of course, terribly worried, yes. What a sad image. A retired doctor always wanted to do all his life was help people. Now he's got, you know, he's speaking to the media with ink sprayed across his face. It wasn't a pleasant sight and he's, you know, understandably worried about other forms of violence. We've seen people at these protests, you know, driving their cars into people, normally stopping before real damage is done, but it's dangerous and it's incredibly intimidating. And yeah, dragging people from the street. Before I go to Dahlia, let's look at the moment that happened. I saw a bit later today, you know, someone released this clip of the man going along spraying people with ink. What an indictment of our media that they have so committedly cast these people as the villains, like our interlake tactics, interlake Britain's tactics disruptive. Yeah, but do you know what else is like incredibly disruptive? Climate breakdown, like precarious food supplies increases in global floods and droughts and heatwaves and mass displacement. These are all things that are far more disruptive than a road being blocked. And yet our media are letting the people who are continuing to put push us down that path off the hook. We just spoke about earlier in the show about how Sonak's budget is making it easy for people to fly within the UK. And we've heard very little contextualizing of that in the media. We've had very little attention being put towards that in our mainstream sort of political broadcasters. And you know, yeah, it's the elderly protesters who are trying to to ring the alarm on this issue who are facing the bio of the public. And that's because the way the media have treated them is essentially essentially a form of inciting hatred against them. And I often say this, but this is because the people who were in the upper echelons of the media are ideologically very intertwined with those who not only benefit from our fossil fuel economy and would be disadvantaged by a serious shift away from fossil fuel capitalism, but also because they probably feel quite insulated, ironically, from from the impacts of climate breakdown, you know, whether whether right or wrong, someone like I think it was Richard Maidley, who was you know, going after an insulated Britain protest and feeling very good about himself for doing so, he probably feels rightly or wrongly, fairly secure that him, you know, his kids, his kids, children's children, are going to be able to protect themselves from the excesses of climate breakdown. They'll be able to, you know, throw money at the problem. They'll be able to get up and move freely to somewhere else if they need to. And it's because him and other people of his kind of class and privilege have historically been able to shield themselves from the worst excesses of, you know, health crises or financial crises that have sunk the rest of us. So he sort of probably has no reason to believe that this is going to be any different, but also we really need to make it clear that whatever you might think of insulated Britain's tactics, which by the way are sort of very standard civil disobedience tactics, like this isn't some kind of historically unprecedented moment. This is what happens when people have exhausted legitimate ways of expressing themselves and legitimate ways of trying to to move the political spectrum towards, you know, an urgent crisis. This is sort of a normal part of the course. It's actually very historically precedented. But we still have to make it very clear that whatever you might think about their tactics or however inconveniencing you might find them, the vast majority of British people's interests are far more aligned with, you know, insulate Britain than they are with those who are telling us that these protesters should be at best ridiculed and at worst, you know, physically attacked, which is a really worrying situation for us to be in. And it's sort of right has become wrong and wrong has become right. And I think we can only blame a sort of insufficient media and toothless media for bringing us to this position.