 We are live hey what's up everybody this is Clayton Thomas Mueller stop it at the source campaigner with 350.org I'm so happy to be here with you all tonight co-moderating this webinar on how to stop Kinder Morgan pipeline we've got some spectacular speakers that are joining us this evening including our own founder of 350 Bill McKibbin it's going to be speaking to us shortly we've got representative member of the Tislewa tooth nation indigenous rights leader across the mother earth Ruben George is also going to be joining us and we've got two dynamic youth leaders that are right now in Mirakesh, Morocco attending the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change COP 22 as part of the Canadian Youth Climate Change Coalition CYCC delegation that's Sadie Phoenix Lavoy and of course Brendan sorry Brendan Campbell forgive me Sadie's a member of Sagine First Nation here in Treaty 1 from the city of Winnipeg and Brendan Campbell is a member of a New Njigawang community member but we'll get back to that anyway he'll be introduced by my co-moderator Atia so you know why are we here today well you know we wanted to share some information there's just been such incredible momentum around resisting the fossil fuel regime across Turtle Island and across Mother Earth you know we've all seen the you know incredible battle that's taking place in North Dakota in Standing Rock and all of our hearts and prayers you know have been uplifted by the tens of thousands hundreds of thousands of people that took action yesterday in solidarity with Standing Rock here in Canada the fight has not stopped you know we have half a dozen pipelines that are proposed connected to the infamous tar sands in northern Alberta and tonight you know we're going to be talking about one of those projects the Kinder Morgan Trans Mountain Pipeline and and you know that's what our speakers have come to talk about how we're escalating to put pressure on the Trudeau government to reject this pipeline you know this webinar is meant to add to the momentum that is building towards November 21st we're across Canada and Quebec vigils will be taking place to stop the Kinder Morgan pipeline you know so far up to date you know we've seen we've seen just an incredible amount of action ramped up on the Kinder Morgan campaign you know where in Ottawa recently nearly a hundred students were arrested you know protesting the Kinder Morgan pipeline right there at the House of Canada at Parliament we've seen you know high profile sit-ins at four key cabinet ministers offices Minister McKenna the Transport Minister as well as the Minister of Indigenous and Northern Affairs and of course Minister of Natural Resources Jim Carr here in my own hometown of Winnipeg and Treaty 1 territory and of course you know we've heard the voices of First Nations involved in the Treaty Alliance against the Tarsans and you know many other First Nations in British Columbia in the right in the proposed right-of-way of the Kinder Morgan Trans Mountain Pipeline you know continue to reaffirm their steadfast opposition just today internationally we've seen the Canadian Youth Climate Change Coalition just this evening interrupt a Canadian government reception where they dropped a banner that said reject Kinder Morgan while they delivered 210 water droplets that they had designed each water droplet representing over the 210,000 signatures that have been amassed thus far of Canadians and First Nations and Quebec law that are opposed to the Kinder Mountain or the Kinder Morgan Pipeline and yesterday at Canada House in the in the iconic Trafalgar Square in London England we've seen our allies allied campaigners take action targeting that Canadian Embassy again with the same message that Kinder Morgan Trans Mountain Pipeline is not in the national interest and that Prime Minister Trudeau needs to reject this so a bit of context you know you and me and all of our friends all of our family people power in general can and will stop this pipeline either by forcing Prime Minister Trudeau to reject it or by building the community that can stop it even if even if he approves it Kinder Morgan is bigger than the Keystone Pipeline many of you remember that fight and it looks like it might be coming around again with President-elect Trump it has the same climate impact as adding 34 million cars to Canada's roads you know and if Prime Minister Trudeau and his cabinet approve this pipeline or any of the Tarsans pipelines that they're considering or Tarsans expansion projects within Alberta that they're considering there is absolutely no way that Canada can meet the Paris commitments that they made at last year's COP and you know building it will put us on track to burn up nearly a quarter of the world's carbon budget under a 1.5 degree scenario there's a recent report that I wanted to highlight for all of you watching from Oil Change International really amazing crew out of DC this report you know dies deep into this this carbon budget stuff and you know definitely demonstrates the math behind the fact that we can't build Kinder Morgan Trans Mountain or any other new fossil fuel infrastructure if we're actually going to be able to you know dramatically reduce the impacts of climate change that were already locked into Trump selection you know I know this has been weighing on the minds of everybody certainly you know it's been heavy on my heart you know that hurt those been healed a little bit by the people power that I seen you know people hitting the streets and being out on the land taking action and you know Trump's election means that Trudeau needs to step up and lead on the global stage especially on climate if Trudeau builds pipelines to the United States at this point he could well be complicit in Trump's climate denial this is an all-hands-on-deck kind of moment and a Kinder Morgan approval makes building other pipelines like the Keystone the zombie pipeline that Trump's promising to bring back onto the table and of course you know the pipeline that those of us here in Manitoba where I live in across Canada all the way to the Atlantic province is the territory of McMackey the energy East pipeline more likely to be built it will set the trend and if Trudeau approves this pipeline he'll certainly be looking towards facing similar circumstances as what has been happening in Standing Rock in terms of the scale of opposition not just in British Columbia but across Canada and you know that's what November 21st is all about the the KM vigils you know these vigils are going to be designed to show just how widespread the opposition is to the expansion of the Alberta tar sands and its associated fossil fuel infrastructure and so you know I want to transition you know from from that context you know and and introduce our first speaker you know he's a really dear friend somebody that I look up to you know in the good work that he does his name is Ruben George and he is a manager of the Tisley with tooth nation's sacred trust initiative the Tisley with tooth nation are the people of the inlet there in the lower mainland in the city of Vancouver where Vancouver now sits and his mandate is to protect the water from threats such as the proposed Kinder Morgan pipeline and of course the associated oil tanker traffic that the project promises to bring if it's built Ruben spent many years as the director of community development for his nation before taking on this critical work he is guided by the traditional Coast Salish teachings and his spirituality as a Sundance chief he is the grandson of chief Dan George he is a father he has two children he drives a pickup truck and he loves sushi so I want you to join me in welcoming my my dear brother Ruben George he'll be our first speaker hey guys check out my halo somebody text me said looks like you got a halo it's good to see you guys hey Bill haven't seen you for a long time brother good to see you all you know thank you for your kind words and the update you know I went across Canada and the United States with a total poll and and you guys hosted us in Winnipeg and it was beautiful like like you said that there's first nations and non first nations all across North America that are coming together and and some some people we saw with next to nothing in resources and let alone to live money money to survive and but they're they're putting their heart and soul into into stopping this this destruction you know I was instructed by my lawyer not not not to say certain things so I won't say that the owners of these industries are murderers they're killing people I won't say that and I won't say that the government of Canada are our accomplices you know I won't say that too but the facts are there I encourage people to lick those up themselves there's a lot of destruction that's happening and like you said half the world's animals have died since 1970 and and we're going on a crash course you know I travel all around the world like a lot of you do on the panel and when in the back countries of you know you would think progressive countries and in the back roads in the little towns half the groceries are on the shelves I was on in Panama and they shut down the city at 2 o'clock 2 o'clock no no sort of 8 o'clock in the in the evening to discourage people from using water and that connects the Atlantic and Pacific Ocean you know be there shutting it down to because the water shortages you know I drove from Arizona to to LA and I drove through like two hours of smog real thick smog my uncle he's with me and he goes is that fog and I said no I think it's smog and sure enough we drove into it and it's horrible and then driving up from California to Vancouver saw these huge huge creators that had lakes and I still had boats in it and these empty lakes and that's the same as when you fly over it's it's just a matter of time and you know I get really sad and all the ugly facts that we know and and and the people that are suffering the people that will suffer and what this is about is is that 1% you know no bones about it you know the Canada and US they make decisions to help them to support them and to and to and to continue this destruction too so they can make more money you know we all already know it doesn't create jobs you know as happy to read that Tesla's company made more money in the first quarter than the fossil fuel industry in the whole year it's there that we have alternatives and they're stopping it they're blocking it and they're doing that they have to do to continue this destruction and you know we won't stand for it here in Tesla with you you know we said in the very from the very beginning we'll do what it takes to stop them we created a 1200 page document based on our cultural and our spiritual laws when I was director of community development and helping our people heal you know we came from that those spiritual principles and whether we're in business that's the same spiritual principles and whether it's fighting kinder Margans the same spiritual principles those are our laws and we created a 1200 page document based on our laws to slew it to means people of the water around Vancouver and and that's our first mother if you if you take the lessons and teachings of water and say she fed us she took care of us and that's true scientific fact 80% of to slew it to his diet came out of the water right there so we had our legends in our stories and we backed it by science all the way through from the beginning of time of our first story of the first to slew it to human being which was our our mother who came from the to slew it to water so the water around Vancouver take those lessons in those stories that come out of it and it created our document and the thing with that you know that's how we're winning in court that's what we go to court and 90% of First Nations here in British Columbia are winning against resource extraction 170 legal victories in the last little while you know I'm confident that the Canadian Constitution will protect our indigenous rights and what blows my mind away about that and and and traveling across our country you know and you see this to brother that you know a lot of our people are suffering just poor you're only 3% of Canada's population but we're 40% of the jail population I worked in the jail system for 10 years down Tony side I worked down there with with with our homeless relatives and we're 40% the homeless 40% of school grow ugly statistics meant Oliver wanting to minister environment he said why don't the First Nations take the money they need it maybe we do maybe we do that money that was offered to one nation 1.6 billion dollars that would help all my people in that area out of poverty big time wouldn't it put food on the table and clothes on her back and roofs over their houses but you know what they did they voted a hundred percent consensus no because they work by the same spiritual laws and the same spiritual principles as to slay what a nation does and and and you can't put a price on something that you're part of that is your mother they're there their stories of creation are the same as ours similar you know where they come from some earth we all come from earth it's our first mother and you can't put a price on that and it blows me away that you know that 1.6 billion dollars to help all those people out of poverty but they're still saying no and that's that spirit that I see across North America that's gonna bring us to victory that's gonna bring us to victory if they don't if they don't say so no do all that money in there they're they're saying they're saying yes to to a healthy mother yes to the salmon and yes for the Canadian people Canada don't have the balls to sorry just to stand up and do what's right and make decisions for their own future generations either as kindergarten I go praying as well as my mom and she goes I pray for that guy I want at one point in his life he's a human being in any and he was like any other baby with life in its eyes you know you look in his eyes nothing there and that great spirit just totally took him over any and he bought the media and he bought the government creates policy breaks policies accountable to nobody big messes that that are left there for Exxonville these 25 years later it's still big mess and that's what we're dealing with and those are breaking our laws everything that we get out of the water the what we see in our environmental assessment is good it's all good everything food sustenance everything transportation those the waterways of the around Vancouver were our highways that's what we visited one another everything we get all the waters good so only thing going back in there and you and you've been with us and simple you know we did a prayer I would say kinder Morgan terminal and we prayed we said only thing going into the water is going to be good you know and you know I like what happened in stunning rock I like it I think people have the freedom to express how they feel you know we're gonna I what I see you know thank Canadian government always had the intentions to prove this might try to sit down and do what they feel is consultation of 40-minute presentation to the National Energy Board which is BS because you can't talk about a four 1200 page document in 40 minutes that's crazy but anyway they're they're approaching this with idea of already saying yes look at like it like it occurs comments that he made on the news what do you think about Keystone now that we looks like Trump will prove Keystone what do you think about kinder Morgan oh we don't care about that it's what he said today and you know so it's it's it's it's it's crazy that this is going the way it is and how much destruction and how obvious it is and these people still are trying to push these decisions but I feel the country's waking up and our people are waking up and our allies are waking up and you know we we see the reaction to Trump and him getting elected the protesters still going on today and and the people are really waking up I 75% of Iowa residents don't don't want the the code access pipeline 71% of Bernie B residents don't want kinder Morgan knew they support the slew of the nation and soon them so when people find out the true facts of the destruction of this causes they don't want to make the better choices for their future generations because it's it's obvious and apparently as greedy people don't you don't care they care about their money they're crazy they're crazy to me they're crazy people that and and those are them I can't see murders but they aren't true oh I can't say that sorry but um I retract that my lawyer said but um you know I'm I'm proud to know everybody on there I watched the work that you're doing I see 350 what you guys are doing I see all of you and I'm really proud of the work you're doing in the people that you're touching and the masses that you're waking up in and that spirit of what I said of the people and the connection to the earth is too strong and and the people are searching for more you know and my son bless the soul you Montana so to quote a north to quote a Nebraska went to you in Ottawa he's in Winnipeg he's in Washington DC Australia New Zealand Panama Peru all since July and his only a teenager still in his just traveling and he loves it and he goes dad I'll die for the sign I see my relations down in Panama dying I'll do the same thing and I was like you know what son I want grandkids you know I love that you're a warrior and do that and my mom my mom's like you know let's just go shut it down I'll go chain myself to the fence again and so you know it's a family effort my daughter too as well when a DC New York and all the trips that she's doing and proud of them and and it's it's it's alive and awake and I know it is with each and every one of your family too and we're winning we're gonna win that's what I said to Richard Kindre when I talked to him at his AGM spoke to the shareholders I said I was here a year before and I told you guys that it's not a good investment and now look what happened three months after I presented here last year your stock fell by 60% your dividends were cut by 75% it's a house of cards ready to fall so you guys are investors put in green energy look at that look at that taken off so we said that Richard kindre goes I I try to talk to you and to stay with you nation that's not our duty and responsibility talk to you you're only a company I'm just gonna shut you down Canadian Constitution protects our indigenous rights we can sue you shut you all down and he threw his hands in the air and he goes go talk to Canada go talk to you need to I smiled and said we got you and you know it it's a good moment check his hand of course nothing there he's just believe in his money but I'm unthinkful that's my rant it's my rant the halo didn't do many justice here in England Indian why well I appreciate those powerful words Ruben you know and it is an honor you know not just for myself as an individual but for our organization 350 to be supporting to slay with tooth and to be supporting your your even your own family on the ground you know in every community that I work in you know from the tar sands to the Gulf of Mexico what I've learned is it just takes one family you know that's how the tar sands campaign started it was one one family and for chip one that decided to do something and everything grew out of that one family deciding to do something and I I want to give a big shout out to Ruben you know his beautiful words about his son Cedar who was one of the youth leaders that came to to the action in Ottawa a couple weeks ago where 99 Canadian youth got arrested protesting Kinder Morgan at Parliament in a peaceful act of civil disobedience his son spoke just as powerful as his dad and this and I want to shout out his his son's mother who's Deborah Parker who's another dear friend of 350 who spoke at the big Standing Rock action yesterday in Washington DC so you know with a mum like that and a dad like you Ruben wow you know so that's a good segue Ruben if you don't mind staying on just a bit longer we're gonna have some questions at the end if we have time I'm gonna switch us over if you can hit mute on your microphone Ruben I'm gonna switch over and introduce our next presenter I have his bio here I'm gonna read a little bit from it but then I want to say a couple words about Bill too from my own my own perspective Bill McKibbin is an author and environmentalist who in 2014 was awarded the right livelihood prize sometimes called the alternative Nobel his 1989 book the end of nature is regarded as the first book for a general audience about climate change and has appeared in 24 languages he's gone on to write a dozen more books he's the founder of 350.org the first planet-wide grassroots climate change movement which has organized 20,000 rallies around the world in every country saved North Korea spearheaded the resistance to the Keystone pipeline campaign in collaboration with indigenous peoples on the front line with ranchers on the front line and launched the fastest growing fossil fuel divestment movement all across Mother Earth. Bill's got just so many accolades that I don't want to get into while I introduce him what I really want to say though is that Bill is a dear friend a dear mentor someone that I look up to that I have tremendous amount of respect for and it's a true honor to serve on the team that he's been able to pull together a team of just truly inspirational organizers and campaigners and you know I really appreciate Bill he's a humble man and but he's a scrapper you know he's definitely a fighter and he takes risks and so please join me in welcoming Bill to the stop KM webinar this evening. Well it's really good to be with everybody and to see so many old friends Ruben Hall you were talking I went and got the drum you gave me years ago which is one of my favorite possessions and it's nearby at all times and brings back many good memories and in fact Debra and I were sitting next to each other on the cement outside the Army Corps of Engineers headquarter in DC yesterday blocking the doors for a couple of hours and I was just sitting there you know locking the doors but she of course was you know texting and causing all kinds of trouble with all kinds of good people all over the place. Clay what a pleasure to get to join you as always there's no one that it's much more fun to work with and no one who's done close to as much work as on so many continents and so many days and so many places everybody else what fun especially to get to see the very weary looking people from Marrakesh I've been to too many of those cops and I I know how it feels by about the middle of week two when you think that the entire world is just you know a sort of indoors place with people pushing more paper at all times in your direction so thank you for being there and letting some of us stay home this time. Look there's no point sugarcoating things this is a rough few weeks for the world the election of Donald Trump is one of those historic moments in the world in the worst possible way and it's going to cause trouble in the United States but it's going to cause trouble everywhere else that there possibly is and so more than ever we need to be sticking together and doing work where we can do it and well Canada was suffering through Stephen Harper we did our best down here to push our our man Mr. Obama to do the right thing on stuff like Keystone so we're very glad that the Canadians are pushing hard as hell and Mr. Trudeau now we seem to go a little bit up and a little bit down on either side of the border here in terms of our leaders and we'll do everything we can think of to help everybody up there because you guys are going to be doing super important work over the next while because somebody has to hold the world together and this kinder Morgan thing is just the place to start I remember being out at one of the early public meetings probably six or seven years ago in Burnaby with Mod Barlow when people were beginning to voice their opposition and just to watch it grow and grow and grow you know the whole world saw those amazing pictures of the sit-ins day after day after day in the public park there in Burnaby and they really made an impression on Canada but on the whole world this is the hottest year that we've ever had on the planet it smashed the record we set in 2015 which smashed the record we set in 2014 today up above 80 degrees north up with towards the North Pole it's 17 degrees Celsius above normal temperature there's never been as little ice at this date as there is up there now same thing is going on in the Antarctic where ice is melting very very quickly we're taking together we're at the lowest global sea ice we've ever seen for this date the world's starting to come apart and starting to come apart in the most dire and sad and difficult ways that's one of the reasons the election of Trump is so traumatic because it couldn't come at a at a worse time you know this is the moment when we need solidarity in every way and not division which is what he stands for it's also a shame in its timing because the world was beginning to get some momentum towards renewable energy towards solar and wind and the other forms of clean energy that give us a pathway out a way to avoid fossil fuel you know when the fight against Kinder Morgan or Keystone or any of these other pipelines started eight ten years ago a solar panel cost many times four or five times what it costs today that economics is shifted so dramatically that there's no excuse for building these things but they just have the momentum of this industry behind them this is these guys last gas and they're willing to take it even if it means breaking the planet along the way we know this from you know reading the stuff we've learned from companies like Exxon over the last year the great investigative reporting that shows they knew everything there was to know about this climate change stuff 30 35 years ago and they've kept on anyway doing what they do that's hard to understand that there are hard for me to understand that there are people in institutions like that in the world but it's easy to understand what we have to do which is stand up to them and that standing up sometimes seems very hard because they come with so much money but money while useful doesn't buy you everything it normally wins but only when we don't stand up to it when we do we have a real chance and that chance is greatly accelerated greatly improved the odds are greatly improved by the remarkable involvement leadership of indigenous communities now around the world I think that there's one thing over the last 10 years that maybe two things that have changed the debate around the environment is one is the work the engineers have done to drive down the cost of renewable energy and the other is the emergence of indigenous people on every continent in the forefront of this fight for a couple of reasons one of them of course is the kind of just spiritual prophetic power that comes from long residents in place the credibility and ability to speak for places and to do it with real power the other is simply the fact that across the world so many of the places where native people got pushed to or drawn into small reserves and everything else turn out to be critical nodes for the fossil fuel industry going forward and there's a great irony there and some karma that's coming back to fight these guys and that's very good to see I mean Ruben's land mass there isn't very big in the scale of things it just happens to be in precisely the wrong place if you're a oil company that wants to do what it wants to do and and so you know one can definitely and should look at it as you know their obligation to protect the the the waters of the rod inlet there and that whole part of the world and one can also look at it as their perfectly positioned to help protect the atmosphere of the entire planet the climate of the earth that's that's pretty dramatic high stakes I was thinking that so much when I was out at Standing Rock 10 days ago or so I mean right now no question Standing Rock sort of the moral center of the universe it's an amazing scene for people who haven't seen it you know if you if you sort of look to one side so you don't see all the cars that are parked in the parking lot that you could be looking back a hundred hundred and fifty three hundred five hundred years I mean the scene is remarkable the TPs and the campfires there along the confluence of the Missouri and the cannonball the young boys racing horses much too quickly hither and yon you know it's a it's a tremendous scene and a place of great prayer great spiritual power and great power power the ability to get in the way of the smooth operation of the destruction of the planet is well that's a privilege for all of us that's our job all of us to get in the way of the smooth operation of the destruction of the earth and and so now you guys get you know a real chance to finish the off this kinder Morgan pipeline just in the way that people managed to do in the northern gateway pipeline and are going to do in the energy east pipeline when the time comes and so on and so forth but this kinder Morgan one is it just couldn't be more obvious you can't the scientists have made it utterly clear that we can't build more fossil fuel infrastructure that the oil fields gas fields and coal mines that we now have in production in production not the reserves not what we're going to do someday the stuff we're already drilling mining that's enough carbon in there to take us way past the two degree target that every country on earth including Canada solemnly signed up for help Canada pushed us to go to 1.5 degrees and thank them for doing it at Paris but it doesn't mean anything if you keep building pipelines you know it's it's as two-faced as it's possible to be what Canada is doing at the moment if it goes ahead and improves these pipelines so this kinder Morgan fight is one of the most important things going on in the planet and it's a winnable battle with people power if people turn out if they turn out for these vigils on the 21st if they turn out to continue to make it clear to Trudeau that his legacy and his whole term in office will be shadowed by what they're seem to be nerving themselves up to do and approve this pipeline and he needs to know that he's going to face I'm pretty sure I mean you guys will know better than me clay and Ruben and others and I don't mean to speak for you but my guess is that we're looking at Standing Rock North if he goes through with the plans for doing this that there's going to be the same kind of people rallying in the same kind of numbers with the same kind of spirit and that spirit is extraordinarily dangerous thing for a politician to conjure up and decide that they want to mess with because it's so powerful so historically resonant and the fact that that that oldest wisdom on our continent that Ruben was talking about now meshes perfectly with the newest scientific wisdom that's coming out of our university research centers and labs and things that makes this an extraordinarily potent moment that's a difficult force to fight against I'm so grateful to all for marshaling that force and we will do everything we can to help make sure that everybody the world around knows the name of this pipeline and knows exactly how important it is to shut it down so thank you guys enormously for the work that you're doing and and as everybody in Canada should know it's you know the same kind of work that's going on all over the world but everybody has their eyes on you guys up north they know that this is a big important fight and they know that you guys are the guys to be fighting it and and it's so much fun to just get to be in support of you all going on thank you so much bill for that incredibly powerful call to action and you're right our greatest power does come from the ability to get in the way and that's hopefully what we will continue to do and thanks again Ruben for joining us it's such an honor to hear from you as always it is now my pleasure to introduce our two next panelists who are joining us from Morocco right now it is really really late in Morocco right now but they are here nonetheless to youth delegates from the Canadian youth delegation to COP 22 we have with us Brendan Campbell who is a student a member of the Nogadjuang nation and a treaty 6 Cree we also have with us Sadie Phoenix Levois who is also a student a member of the Sikkim first nation and Sadie was one of the 99 young people who were arrested in Ottawa on October 24th calling for a rejection of the Kinder Morgan pipeline these are two incredibly inspiring folks I have spent most of my evenings over the last week and a half just on social media media following the work of the Canadian youth delegation because they are holding the Canadian government accountable to their words on climate leadership and the promises that the Canadian government has made on Indigenous rights they have been non-stop since they landed in Morocco and just now they earlier this evening interrupted a Canadian government reception to drop a banner and deliver 210,000 signatures opposing the Kinder Morgan pipeline it is such an honor to hear from these young people thank you to both of you for the amazing work that you are doing and for joining us tonight so going to pass it off to Sadie and Brendan. Okay, hello, yeah I'll just introduce myself. I am a student of the Nogadjuang Nogadjuang. I am a student of the Nogadjuang Nogadjuang Nogadjuang Nogadjuang so entering Campbell I am a person from Montreal, the Korean nation, but I live currently in Nogadjuang Nogadjuang which is the Nogadjuang Nogadjuang Nogadjuang territory. So yeah, we're the two Indigenous youths at the Canadian youth delegation. Brendan and I actually know each other through the National Apropos because we're also Indigenous student leaders at the student movement. Not even that, we just kind of came naturally around kind of justice so I guess I'll just kind of talk a little bit about the protest that happens on Parliament Hill around when we're getting arrested and here organized around getting a lot of students and young people all across Canada to kind of send a message that young people care about their future and they don't want the government to help them pass or approve the Inamorgan pipeline so we always seem to be like they're like telling me all and so I got to a point where we have to send a stronger message and actually we have to produce civil decision across and to get that attention. So the way I saw it was that when you're getting arrested was like a small sacrifice in comparison to what was going on in Standing Rock. I mean I went down to Standing Rock and I met people and made relationships with them and the abuses that they were facing I was like why would I ever be scared of getting arrested in Canada? That's the treatment they're facing in Standing Rock. I literally had like fierceness was just like no I'm going across this this stupid fence that was on unceded outcome territory at a democratic building that was so ironic and this didn't make any sense to me but they arrested me anyways alongside a lot of amazing young people and actually two other CYB members were also there. Gabriel and Tina they were also there that got arrested. Yeah so that really amped us up for preparing for these talks that we'll be having here at America. A bunch of young people had to get arrested just to get your attention because just and they're not for you. And it was so frustrating that we have to like do these direct actions in order to seriously that your serious that we care about your future and again the cops started before the election and you see those like around like okay how good and whether I was able to stop. What does that mean for the interests of corporate businesses and the fossil fuel industry and what is their role within mitigating and out of feeding for them. But then as soon as the Trump election happened like everything shift the global self countries were freaking out like okay now we have to shift discussion our discussion because they're already accepting the fact that we're not going to need a 1.5 carbon budget it's going to go up above and beyond that if not even two point degrees cap. So they're trying to prepare like okay now we're gonna have to like move like millions of people from from these countries into safety and there's going to be environmental refugees you know totally shifting the discussions around and everyone kept talking about America, America, Trump, Trump, Trump and it was it took us at a huge shock because I think a lot of people underestimated you know the potential can be elected and so that reverberation to the negotiations that were happening here and Canada and you know we weren't closing questions to the negotiators like how is this going to have an impact with your, with you making a commitment or meeting your commitments when they want to have this pan American agreement with the United States and Mexico. Does this mean that like are you, does this mean that you're going to amp up your climate finance to you know the fact that U.S. probably isn't going to fit in with your targets. Now you have a even larger global responsibility with the U.S. not taking the first stands on climate change so that they've been completely untransparent with these briefings so it's really frustrating for us and especially when when we know we know the facts and we know the science and it seems like they're not listening to it because there's there's something going on in the back now and and really we're just doing all our all we can with these actions to highlight a lot of their contradictions to what they say to what their actual interests are and how they subtly bring up about like oh we're so excited about business we're so excited that these these investors are here we want businesses to like the way that they say it subtly terms is like oh we're excited about business going green as in like like they're allowing oil companies to invest somewhat into green technology to save their own company to greenwash them into that is still okay for them to continue their involvement within the fossil fuel industry you know Canada still heavily subsidizing the oil industry by billions of dollars and then carbon pricing them it just makes no sense and so ultimately Canada needs to guide us and it needs to have a just transition by respecting indigenous peoples rights and in article 26 of UNDREFT says that you know indigenous people should have the right to control land resources that were traditionally occupied which would mean that indigenous peoples have the right and say for any of these development projects anywhere in Canada regardless of their risk like where the reservations are where the territories are so it's really highlighting the fact that the tree lines again the tar sands expansion highlighting the petition around the Kenan Morgan pipeline you know indigenous people's resistance against all pipelines keeping the ground always like grass replacements and mobilizations around anything falsely related and yet they're saying oh we're listening to indigenous people listening to you but yeah like saying to us because we've said no multiple times but they think that if they talk to us or consult us that's as much as they need to do they don't need to act upon what he said what is being demanded of them being told so we're really keeping on them that you know you don't get to just check off the consultation box and it comes to you don't need to check off the box and it comes to consult with indigenous people you actually need consent and you're showcasing that your actions here that no they don't have consent they do not have any friend from home calling so yeah basically we're we're we're telling them that we are watching them that we are holding them to account and that we're not satisfied with anything that they're doing it's completely inadequate they're making these targets but without a plan of actually meeting them I think it's really emphasized by meeting Kenan and I've never been required to come to talk is that like and I was thinking of writing an open letter and thinking brings this idea but like I am so disappointed maybe I shouldn't have said a bar around me said a really low bar because it's the Canadian government but um she's she's like she's not really that accountable she talks about the importance of indigenous people and they always quote Justin Trudeau's you know quote from last year that no one here more important to his government in Canada than that with indigenous peoples but like she spends more time talking than actually listening when we come to the stakeholder meetings which are half an hour long she spends like 10 to 15 minutes talking about how much she listens and how much good stuff has happened I mean we were all part of these meetings in some way or form we know that you can just send us up like your your report prior to the meeting and then ask questions about you know she just takes up so much space and talks so much and she's not she's not accountable she's not she's not approachable there's a there was a event earlier today on like the contribution of indigenous peoples in Canada to addressing our change and there is another camera is lasting this first miss Francois and he's Denny and he's talking about I recorded the video and I'll send it later but he's from the AFN he's an elder from the AFN he's an elder from Denny and he was talking about sin and it was like the same was like the when you start to like like when your relationship with the guy we know as your mother isn't a good legion you start to be like you know whatever not not well and like because we're doing a lot of pressuring for inner morning sorry yeah Francois Paulette I guess thank you Clayton because like he's making the statement and like it was a really point statement and and Kevin Hart was a bit more pointed when it came to like no pipelines but like what soon is like like just turned and stared right at her like as I was trying to like see if I can like like I mean that's just a really like in a direct way of direct action but like I would just I don't know all I can say from my experience with her is that like I'm just so disappointed in her look I she talks about her emailing and it's just it's gross it's gross it's disgusting and I wasn't able to participate in the direct action today because I had my drum and I was gonna play a part but I was a chaotic but like when I was just seeing her in that space like she can't smiley-nail was he like it was it's disgusting it's disgusting so to communicate to anybody who's been watching I just want to impress on you how terrible of a listener McKenna is as much as you she said that she like is a good listener it's just it's so fake it's so empty yeah you circle she like so she sent in her own youth delegates and didn't even tell the CYD the Canadian youth delegation about it we found out so we all wearing our pipeline politics t-shirts and she gets up there and it's like talking non-stop for like 10 15 minutes about how she wants to listen to you she met with indigenous leaders how she's so proud of the Piamble the Paris agreement yet it's not even sufficient within the body of sex and like it's going on going on she's like yeah so I'm so excited to listen to the youth how many Canadians are here and like we all like we're like yeah us and so she stopped talking and then two seconds later she like runs out of the door like runs out of the room like with oh she's busy and then when we addressed her about it at the stakeholder meeting again she was just like oh I leave all my meetings early and it was just like but that totally contrasts you're saying did not listen to us and like we were pushing for a meeting with her you're pushing anything for some type of acknowledgement that youth are here and they are being with how you're handling the situation and to how you're tokenizing us saying that you're meeting with us just really frustrating so anyways the petition was bang on we had word that the trans-Canada and Bridge were there in disguises NGOs and we just took up space and we just like was like hey McKenna we're here to deliver a petition and yeah it was it was truly awesome and tomorrow was a meeting with her at 8 a.m. 8 a.m. tomorrow so 15 minutes meeting 15 minutes a meeting so it's just probably gonna talk for 10 yeah but yeah well I want to thank you so much for just your incredible leadership Brendan and Sadie and really the whole CYCC delegation the work you're doing there putting that pressure on Minister McKenna you know not letting the Canadian government continue to greenwash what but it's doing back home you know the Trudeau government is definitely got some pretty talented PR PR people and you know having sharp leaders like you there to crack a whip on them and put them in line is something that is just so very inspiring and the images that have been coming out of Marrakesh are awesome you know I've been seeing so much traffic on social media and people that are moved by what's happening there at the COP 22 I want to shift now just you know we're getting close to the end of our hour here together to all the viewers but I did want to at least have one or two questions there's the text box right below for those of you that are logged in at kmvigils.ca if you have a couple of questions you know for our young leaders from from Marrakesh Brendan Sadie or for Ruben George of the Tislewa Tooth or Bill McKibben now would be the time to send a couple of those out and while we're waiting for those questions to pop up I just want to continue to say you know how important it is that that that you know native or not native one of the biggest asks that have come from our relatives in Tislewa Tooth from up in the Tarsans from you know those in the Arctic region fighting offshore drilling and certainly those down in the Gulf states you know that are fighting oil development in the Gulf right to Standing Rock those fighting gas development in McMackie in the East you know one of the things that they've always you know that has been kind of shared between what they've been asking for in terms of support has been for you to put your own intentions up into the world you know pray in your own way and if you're not a prayerful type of person then you know however you connect to the great mystery whether it's just by taking a walk in a favorite place in nature do that but think about you know Tislewa Tooth think about that water think about the atmosphere that we're trying to protect from the expansion of big oil into these sacred places and you know put those prayers up in a good way or at least that intention up in a good way and you know I'm gonna go ahead and go and check out any of the questions we have oh first question for Ruben is how can we directly support Tislewa Tooth nation there's some things coming up like on Saturday there's there's a there's a big rally that's come can you hear me yep there's there's a big rally coming up there's gonna be multiple events coming up just look at the Tislewa Tooth nation sacred trust website we'll give you constant updates anything that we're putting on we encourage you to come and support and the Tislewa Tooth yeah it needs a lot of support and our court cases those are inevitable you know I think a stand-in-rock north is is inevitable and I think when those things come about come and support as much as you can I just want to add one more comment it's it's not just that we're saying no but we're also helping as much as we can we've been cleaning our inlet for the first time in 30 years we had a clam harvest and it's because we're cleaning our inlet with some partners on our salmon count 10 years ago was was down to 6,000 last year they counted 10 million you know the elk reintroduction put 37 elk in our territory now there's over 300 the elk brought in wolves and grizzly bears and flowers and birds and so you know we're doing you could reverse a lot of this horrible things that are happening and I encourage that too if there's something that we're doing around that look at our website where I was looking for more members more people to help and keep on them keep on them you know and you know we always express that people you know we have to be careful about our court case not to screwed up with with me myself getting in trouble as employee of Tisley with the nation but people have a freedom to express what they feel you know and along the pipeline and we encourage that and they like standing rock is such a great idea one more question Ruben and then I have a question for our young leaders I'll ask them both at the same time from Katie Krila of Ruben when we met with Carolyn minister Bennett here in Toronto last week at the sit-in she defended Kinder Morgan as something First Nations support and yet when we pushed it turned out she had never talked to anyone from Tisley with tooth we got her to promise to talk to Tisley with tooth before the decision on cam is made how can we hold her accountable to that and before you answer Ruben for you a question for you Sadie and Brendan is what will you say or ask McKenna in your meeting tomorrow Ruben you go ahead and then and then Sadie and Brendan well multiple things came out of like you see in the National Energy Board you know no matter what aspect of government or whoever it is whoever might be even if we sit down and talk to them they have their agenda to see yes you know we have our agenda to say no we walk away and say are we gonna sue them yet you know they walk away said are we gonna prove it yet the National Energy Board you know they it's Stephen Kelly put in 20% of Kinder Morgan's application to the National Energy Board on behalf of Kinder Morgan then the National Energy Board hired them then they commuted this this this ministerial committee with former Chief Tawas and Kim Baird who is conflicted of interest also who who is also working with with Kinder Morgan so no matter what they do and how they talk and how they behave they always have the the best interest of the falsified companies in mind to to support them and find a way to see yes I think what we're doing you know like suing them what we're doing with our sit-ins what we're doing with the rallies what we're doing with the protest and educating Canadian people we have to continue on them I believe we have them on the ropes and then we have to continue pushing really hard you know pushing really hard there's already 13 pipelines coming out of Alberta to our sands some of this feels like a smokescreen because we have to stop those ones too you know there's already this it's there's so much destruction like Vancouver we have coal we have uranium we have this this this we're very toxic very dangerous chlorine plant we have these concrete plants it's there's a lot of work for us to do and and we we we have to when once we once we start getting victories and and we're able to stop these fossil fuel companies like if we didn't court what is after that let's start creating and like with this lewitu we created our loss we have our laws we and we have to make them abide by them when we say nation in nation consultation it's not a 40 minute presentation national energy board our our that ministeria can committee trying to unscramble egg then national energy board created you can't do that and if we sit down and talk about our 1200 page document that's going in the right direction but you know what we're not changing is we're saying no and I don't know who they're talking along the pipeline because I talked to people in Washington State Vancouver Island I was just up in Kamloops all along the pipeline and then we got lots and lots of support of First Nations that are saying no and anything that's happening in your area with those First Nations try to look at their website try to help them you and really really proud of our youth so proud of our youth it has to be youth-driven and I'm so proud of them so I think that they're on here so yeah awesome well there's a there I'm just gonna read out we got we got one question for our young leaders from Marrakesh which is what are you gonna say to Catherine McKinnon tomorrow and then I want to end us off with a question for Bill you know one of the one of the questions that we had Bill from Eric from Victoria asked why vigils as a tactic what makes a powerful night visual you know I know I know that that that Bill probably have a good response for that so we'll go to our young people and then to Bill and then we're gonna go back to our 350 Canada digital campaign or ATIA my co-MC is gonna go over some logistics tied to our November 21st KM vigils go ahead Sadie and Brendan what what what are you gonna say to McKinnon tomorrow more people than rather than just corporate and and to what like this year she was listening to and this year she actually going to act upon what's kind of the message that I sent to the group to decide on what to say but specifically they're talking about under a positional substance is easy and sorry Sadie we're getting we're getting a real spotty audio from you you could talk in your mic a little closer sorry our connection with Mirakesh I think is getting a little spotty yeah maybe type with your responses if you can in the sidebar I'll read it out let's transition over to Bill here and and the first of all what fun to hear from everything that's going on in Mirakesh and it sounds like you guys are giving them holy hell so that's good I just as to nighttime and visual I would just say that nighttime is often the right time for this kind of work because there's something you know we live in a world where we spend half the day staring into screens and we're distracted and there's always something going on and then it gets dark and there's some candlelight or a campfire or something like that and we're back where human beings spent much of their lives you know in the dark looking at some light not at the little glowing thing in your palm but at some real light and there is some great centering power there and you know look there's many aspects to all these fights there is legal and political and economic and tactical and so on and so forth but don't underestimate the part of this that comes down to just sheer spirit getting people to the point where they're feeling the courage to do the things that have to be done so we'll be we'll be watching with Envy all the amazing images that I know will be coming back from Canada on the night of the 21st thank you so much Bill and thank you to all of our viewers and all of our panelists today it was such an honor to be on the same webinar as all of you. Bill didn't in fact choose the visual tactic that we're going for so just wanted to also add that we were very much inspired by the visuals against Keystone Excel that took place in 2014 and that was one of the reasons why the Canada team chose vigils as a tactic to stop Kinder Morgan on November 21st. I just wanted to say that I first joined the climate justice movement in on the West Coast by joining the fight against the Kinder Morgan pipeline and back then I did not ever expect that Kinder Morgan would be making national headlines in the way that it is today and that is very much thanks to the work that the folks on this webinar are doing the work that Ruben is doing and Sadie and Brendan and Clay as well as so many people across the country and now with the decision against the decision on Kinder Morgan coming anytime before the end of 2016 we really want to make sure that we are taking this moment to stand up across the country and show the breadth and scale of the movement against Kinder Morgan so that is why we're calling upon all of you and all of your communities across the country to take action on November 21st. This is our moment to send one last message to the Trudeau government before they announce their decision. You can visit camvigils.ca to see if there is a vigil near you. There are over 32 vigils that have already been planned across the country so you can sign up to join one by visiting camvigils.ca and find out where it is in a community near you. You can also sign up to host one if your community is not on our map currently and if you sign up to host one we will get back to you with a toolkit and all the resources that you need in order to plan a vigil. We will also have a call on Friday for new organizers to get them ready and prepped for the day of vigils and I'm really looking forward to standing with all of you across the country on November 21st to send Prime Minister Trudeau a very clear message. Climate leaders don't build pipelines. We need to reject Kinder Morgan. Thank you so much and I'm so honored that over 130 people were able to join us tonight to watch live. So honored that Reuben George, Clayton Thomas-Mueller, Bill McKibbin, Sadie Phoenix-Lewa and Brendon Campbell were on this webinar and really looking forward to continue fighting. Let's stop some pipelines.