 Good evening, everyone. Welcome to tonight's meeting before we start the meeting We always have our city clerk read quote for the week, but I'd also like to point out that again. We have technical difficulties This meeting is going to be recorded to start off when we are able to kick it in live. I will be notified I'll explain to the public what's going on. There are some charter people working on it right now It's just the way it goes. I know that Mike Kinzel will get a laugh out of the second one happening So it's being recorded nonetheless, but it's not being shown life as we start But when it does at the point that it does we'll explain that to the public Madam city clerk Thank You mayor If a person has greatness in them it comes to light not in one flamboyant hour, but in the ledger of their daily work Thank you very much Call the fifth friend of the meeting of the common council of order. Please call the roll Boran bauke excuse Surtah Gisha excuse Hannah Excuse me Heidemann Kittlesen Clioness Manny Meyer Montemayor Rinflaich Ryan Vanderwheel perhast and Wongaman 14 present to absent quorum is present next. We have a pledge of allegiance president Hannah. Would you lead us please I? pledge United States of America to the Republic for which it stands Nation under God Indivisible with liberty and justice for all Thank You president Hannah next item on the agenda is approval of minutes president Hannah Thank You mr. Mayor. I would move for the Thank You mr. Mayor. I would move for the approval of the minutes motion the second to approve the minutes under discussion There is none all in favor say aye any opposed motion carries. Thank You public forum madam city clerk Yes First on our list would be Henry Capitola and mr. Capitola. Could you give me your home address, please? Yes that? That's 16 19 North 38th Street, and that's in the town of Sheboygan, but I'm here representing home Inc Okay, and you will have five minutes there. Okay. Thank you. I am here today To speak in support of the initiative to find the needed funds to maintain the community policing unit and to speak out against some of the Tactics of this administration for over one year I have been speaking at various council meetings in order to try to encourage council members to make a serious commitment To fund the Sheboygan police department at the levels to keep this city safe The drastic move that chief Kirk was forced to undertake to keep within the police Department budget as a direct result of this administration's unwillingness to provide the needed funds to the police department When chief Kirk made this action known to the public regarding the community policing unit The mayor was quoted saying the chief was just doing what was necessary to stay within the department's budget And that he was the first department had to do so after an outcry from various community organizations and taxpayers The mayor then said he was disappointed that chief Kirk did not come to the council prior to making decisions to suspend the policing units Chief Kirk's actions were a direct result of the administration's unwillingness to provide needed funds to the police department Please take a stand to keep your community safe by making a serious commitment to fund the Sheboygan police department at the levels It needs to keep this city safe to further comment on this administration's Continued clandestine and cloak and dagger tactics. You only have to look no further than the ambulance service takeover by the city Sheboygan Was this the right decision? Was this the right move for the city Sheboygan? I really do not know because there was not enough information made public To make an educated decision You are aware that orange cross notified the city and the county back in February 2006 that they intended to extend their contract this action is documented in the minutes of the February 15th 2006 meeting of the coalition ambulance quality assurance committee It is just a is it just a coincidence that there were only three meetings that I'm aware of where city officials made it known That the city was going to take over the ambulance services prior to them making a formal taking formal action I am not one bit surprised at how this all came about as it relates to the ambulance issue This administration that expounds about their virtues of open government But in reality has on the contrary done to To do all to keep the public in the dark on issues policies and actions that they set their sights on Undertaking or to see in place About two weeks ago I read in the Sheboygan press that the city was going to hold a public hearing on such items Whether a business could put a sign at their location Or if another business owner could have a vegetable stand in their parking lot and other such items How absurd it is that the taxpayers of Sheboygan can have public input on whether a business can have a vegetable stand in their parking lot But have little or no public comment on whether the city should take on a multi-million dollar expense such as the ambulance services I also read in the paper that some older persons were received receiving numerous calls from constituents that they did not Want the city to take over the ambulance service Apparently after the mayor gazed into the is crystal ball It was discurse to him that all the people that had contacted the different older persons were just employees of the hospitals and Employees of Orange Cross and not constituents How disingenuous of the mayor to try to minimize the concerns and opinions of the City of Sheboygan Order would you please cut down on the insults mr. Capetillo you don't need to throw insults out there, sir You have done this continuously. I have let it go by you are out of order your honor This is what was in the paper watch the name call in and the edge of to serve Even his most loyal supporters from the taxpayers alliance who he appointed to numerous committees In fact some of these individuals sit on more committees than some older persons do Now to find now also find fault in his tactics Why should these individuals be so surprised on how the ambulance service issues have decided Since they were probably involved in similar such tactics with the mayors on other things that they wanted to change within city government I also read in the paper that Alderman Ghish has said that he had reviewed the fire department's ambulance services figures as It pertains to making a profit for the city Sheboygan If this undertaking is so lucrative then why was this information not made public apparently whatever financial plans Were in place or could be in place are only available to the mayor and certain older persons I asked Alderman Gisha would would he be a bank official? Keep keeping his superiors in the dark to multi million dollar financial commitments to the bank I don't think so because he probably would not be a bank employee too long after such action So why is the ambulance service situation so different does not the taxpayer this of Sheboygan deserve to see What serious multi-million dollar financial commitments their public officials are investigating or undertaking? Do taxpayers have to resort to the open records and freedom of information act to get public officials to be more forthright in the Responsibilities to keep the public informed I have heard that this is a new council and that things are going to run differently Apparently nobody has bothered to inform the mayor about these new changes since he continues to keep the public in the dark on Very important issues that will have serious ramifications on this community Why does this administration continuously keep the taxpayers in the dark? Would you like your additional minute? Yes It is because very few individuals have been willing to question his clandestine tactics The media is seriously as fault in this particular area Just look at the weak editorial that the Sheboygan press had at the citizens Takeover or the city's takeover of the ambulance service They were preaching about how the city should now be working with the county to make sure that the remainder of the county should have Adequate ambulance services Isn't it a bit too late to be writing and preaching about cooperation when all the decisions to take over the ambulance service has Have been made and nothing can really be done about this issue Maybe that is why this editorial ran when it did and not before the ink was dry on the documents to take over the Ambulance service by the city Thank you very much Only one thing I already have a comment Thank you next on the list is I'm sorry We have rules of order in this council I Will say that anyone that comes in here and wants to personally attack me or any alderman Will be asked to leave and if they don't they will be escorted out of here. I Will not tolerate personal attacks and assaults and name-calling Against anyone in this council chamber while this council conducts its business We welcome public input We welcome it at a level that's civil courteous and respectful and Inform and intelligent anything short of that. I Will not permit. I think that anyone can temper their words to that point. I Have just been informed that this council meeting is now live and I'd like to apologize to the public There had been there has been some technical difficulties and we're able to show the beginning of this meeting live Unless the meeting has been recorded and when it is aired again, it will be aired in its totality Should be aired in its totality as of now. We're back live Thank you next speaker Dulcey Johnson Dulcey, can you give me your home address, please 1306 North 3rd Street, Sheboygan And you will have five minutes. Thank you Mayor Perez members of the council and fellow citizens my thanks to alderman boran Clayunas Ryan for Hasselton wangaman for voting no on the ambulance issue and for representing the people who elected you The speed and manner in which this issue has been handled arouses suspicions Your constituents still have questions and concerns I'm just one of many who are angry and disappointed and feel that you have not properly considered all of the related issues on something That concerns the health and well-being of the citizens of Sheboygan We have never heard the city finance director's analysis of the fire department proposal It was never discussed by either public protection and safety or finances would be the normal procedure But was instead rushed through previous committees and councils have spent more time deciding whether people can exercise their dogs in city parks And it seems that the only rationale for making this change is the profit motive I don't think my taxes will go down one thin dime because the fire department operates the ambulance service At a time when we should be downsizing government and outsourcing services You have made the decision to grow government Government should not be competing with the private sector and should not be profiting from services to its citizens The way to reduce the tax burden is to cut expenses and privatized services Because government employees always get higher pay and benefits and are less efficient than the private sector Did you ever consider that maybe the fire department is top-heavy like the police department? Did you ever consider the option of layoffs to help ease the tax burden or was this golden plan secretly formulated with the Intent of finding work for 15 firefighters that are not needed for normal duties as Positive in a letter you received from an unidentified person presumably someone in the fire department If the city eliminated just five positions in the fire department, you would save an estimated 350 to $380,000 this would be an actual immediate savings not a forecast of a dubious profit of $200,000 The fire department is proposing to operate two ambulances 24-7 in the city with a third on standby Orange Cross has six available in their territory with a seventh on standby on Friday morning There were six accidents on Cheboygan Southside two with injuries in that case the fire department may have had to call in their standby ambulance About half of all firemen live outside the city and much to my amazement when they're called in for overtime duty They get paved overtime wages from the time they are called but more importantly now We have a situation where a paramedic may have to drive from Hingham or Howard's Grove or wherever to where the ambulance Is located and then proceed to the scene of emergency that time lapse could mean precious minutes in an emergency situation And could have serious consequences Contrary to what commander Herman stated on the council floor Tuesday night I was not a member of the council when the residency rule was changed that took place after I left the council I have always strongly believed that all city personnel should live in the city and help bear the burden of their high wages and extraordinary benefits We've heard a lot about Orange Cross's million-dollar overhead Orange Cross employees ferret 42 paramedics if the fire department takes over all of Orange Cross's territory They would hire a total of 16 paramedics the salary and benefits for 16 paramedics will be $1,080,000 That's more than double the rate of Orange Cross's overhead Although the city plans to hire four paramedics to operate two city ambulances 24-7 at least 18 or 19 Paramedics will be required and every hour a fireman is assigned to ambulance duty should be accounted in the ambulance cost ledger If a fireman is assigned to ambulance duty, he cannot be available to answer fire calls firemen will need to be 100% dedicated to responding to ambulance calls even if there is a five-alarm fire Why the resistance to actually including all personnel costs for operating the ambulances is it because the net result would be a loss? I think the taxpayers have a right to know the true expense and revenue figures I received a copy of an email sent by a person from the Oklahoma State University Center for Health Services Mr. Burke is an EMT paramedic and has worked in various ambulance services in Wisconsin both publicly and privately He was never employed by Orange Cross, but did his paramedic internship with them in 2001 He points out and I quote that although every medic in the state of Wisconsin must complete the same schooling when it comes to Practical knowledge. This is not the case Orange Cross has 30 years of experience experience training personnel and ensuring standards are met The Sheboygan fire department has had a limited role as the first response agency as a fire medic There is no real experience caring for these patients once the ambulance door closes and for many this will be their first ambulance experience also the ambulances will be posted from fire stations and if the usual policies of fire departments are in play They will only respond from their home station Currently Orange Cross moves ambulances to ensure total city coverage For example if the south side ambulance is out and no fire department ambulance is moved to replace coverage for the south side Then there will be excess response times if another ambulance call is received in that area before the ambulance returns This in my opinion is a reduction in patient care. Excuse me. Would you like your extra minute? I am not alone in thinking that you have made a mistake in your hasty action I am not comfortable that the issue has been completely analyzed It seems that the primary emphasis has been on the financials So people wonder if you realize the serious and even tragic situations that could occur Because the firemen do not have enough experience in dealing with critical health situations or arrive too late to be helpful Mayor Perez and Alderman if you can reconsider a Light a liquor license you can reconsider an issue of this magnitude and I call on you to do so We're talking about the lives of people that you were elected to represent. Thank you Thank you Excuse me Next would be Lawrence Rupp Mr. Rupp can I have your home address, please? Sure 828 Northwater Street Apartment 6 Shmueligan Okay, and you'll have five minutes sir. Thank you. Well after what we've just heard But I'm probably gonna say is gonna sound like dull stuff indeed But I would like to thank Mayor Perez and the Common Council for giving me this opportunity to speak On May 21st the three Aldermanic hold was used to delay for approximately one week the consideration of our fire department's bid To come our ambulance service provider On the 25th just four days later the city County Shared Services Committee agreed to study the ambulance service for the city and County of Shmueligan The Common Council met on May 29th again Just four days later and approved our fire department as our new ambulance service provider My question is why was the three Aldermanic hold used in the first place? Was it because one week earlier according to the Shmueligan press an Alder person seemed to think that the process for deciding who was to be our ambulance service was being rushed through Has or has not the discussion of who should run the Shmueligan ambulance service been ongoing for some months The fire department presented a rather comprehensive plan as did Orange Cross Everyone had plenty of time to present their case Was it again according to the Shmueligan press that there was another Alder person who was concerned about patient care if the fire department took over the ambulance service Are the Orange Cross paramedics that much better than the fire department's I? Suspect that we will find out that the fire department is every bit as good as Orange Cross was when it comes to providing Appropriate care to our citizens in need of ambulance service. So again, I ask why was the three Aldermanic hold? implemented The lack of a clearly defined rationale For the use of the three Aldermanic Alder person hold has made me skeptical of its use Nothing changed except a delay of eight days in the cert in the debate and voting of that important local issue The hold caused some ruffled feathers and a minor delay for this for the fire department But the biggest impact the hold has was on the city's taxpayers a special meeting had to be called Taxpayer dollars are subsequently wasted How does wasting taxpayer dollars comport with the fiscal responsibility that that we the taxpayers expect from our Alder persons? This unexplained use of the of the Aldermanic hold has undermined my confidence in those Alder persons who voted for the hold I Have no problem with their opposition to the fire department being our ambulance service provider I do have a problem with their using a delaying tactic that cost taxpayer dollars for reasons that Remain unclear to me to this very day. I suspect there were other citizens of Sheboygan who are just as concerned and baffled as I am Thank you very much Thank You mr. Rupp And lastly we have Joanne Scribner and Joanne can I have your home address, please three Seneca trail Sheboygan Seneca And can you have the mic kind of really close to your mouth that way the audience will be able to pick up okay this close enough That'd be great. Okay, I Am a taxi driver for Harbor taxi in Sheboygan. I have worked at Harbor taxi for one year and ten months I have worked the 6 a.m. To 6 p.m. Shift until just a week ago when I started working nights 6 p.m. To 6 a.m I am going to read you a little scenario about my work This scenario will explain why I am thankful for the Sheboygan Police Department patrolling the streets at night and Why I am thankful that the new police station on North 23rd is in progress and that it will be state of the art and Why I am thankful for police chief David Kirk the entire Sheboygan police force and the four officers I know personally Tim Patton Tim McMullen Randy Hague and John winter Here is my scenario Sunday night June 3rd 2007 Around 6 30 p.m My manager drives into the North Pole parking lot right next to my van the gold van She looks in the passenger window opens the door looks at the pink note that I have posted on the dash on the right side The note says the use of the F word or swearing or disrespectful language will not be tolerated in this taxi She tells me I did not have her permission to post this note in the taxi And she crumples up the note and throws it on the front seat She tells me that customers have called and complained about my little rule and they have complained about my religious programming on the radio I tell her I have the right to listen to what I want to listen to and I have the right to let customers know That I will not tolerate bad language in the taxi. She does not agree with this She says customers have the right to swear after all they are drunk And they have the right to listen to what they want to listen to She says that that's what the night shift is customers who go to the bars and then swear in the taxi I tell her in no uncertain terms That I will not tolerate profanity profanity in my taxi Since she disagrees with that we have a yelling match and she leaves Later in the evening the other driver dispatches me to the water street pub Four guys get in using the F word before they even get into the van They do not like my religious programming on the radio and ask me to turn it down So I do turn it down, but they can still hear it at the corner of North Water Street and Erie Avenue The guy in the middle seat right door says I don't do God and says he wants to leave the cab. I say fine The other three guys also get out. I immediately radio my fellow driver to see if he could pick up this foursome They are going to La Quinta My fellow driver says he can pick them up then dispatches me to go to another address for a 1030 time call Before I go there. I go to the North Water and Erie Intersection where the guy who just got out yells at me from across the street F you I Ignore him Tell the other guy on the intersection that the other Harbor taxi will be picking him up momentarily. He seems grateful. I then go to the Address I was dispatched to pick up to women My Christian radio station is still on and they do not complain I then proceed to La Quinta where they want to be dropped off when I get there I pull up right behind my driver who is dropping up the foursome from Water Street pub They do not look too happy with me, but I say nothing to them and they drop off the two women. I Called the Chewbacca Police Non-emergency line shortly after the Water Street pub incident the lady dispatcher said I had gone beyond the call of duty in Getting this foursome picked up by the other driver and that I had a right to listen to what I wanted to listen to and had a Right to clean language in the taxi later. I went to the Chewbacca police station Talked to the lady at the window told her my scenario with Water Street pub foursome She asked me when the incident happened. I said about half hour ago. She asked me if the customer paid me I said no because they didn't pay me. Of course. I only had them for two blocks. I Asked her if the lady dispatcher who I talked to could sign something saying she that hit she had agreed with me The lady said no, but that the dispatching conversations are recorded. I Then left the police station. I Then proceeded to the Harbor Taxi office at 2904 Michigan when I got there my manager Another manager and if dispatcher was also there They basically told me that I was not allowed to tell my customers that they could not use bad language in the van They basically told me that I had to turn down my Christian radio station So I'm wondering where are my rights with this particular taxi company Would you like an additional minute? Yes, please They did not want to lose of course they did not want to lose the paying customers Of course, especially when with the senior us open coming July 2nd through 8th twisting straights So I kind of argued with them. Well, what about my rights? Don't I have rights to and another yelling match in suit? My manager stated that she does not believe the F word is swearing I could not believe that she had just said that and I totally disagreed with her She and the dispatcher then said that swearing by passengers using the F word being rude and drunk in the cab obnoxious and even physical assaults That's the nature of the night shift End of scenario. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you Susan Next item on the agenda is notice of hearing for the vacation and discontinuance of lot 1 South pier Platte that portion of public promenade in the city and County of Sheboygan Is there anyone here that would like to address the council? Is there anyone that would like to address the council? Is there anyone? President Hannah motion close Mr. Mayor, I'd like to make a motion to close the public hearing second motion and second to close public hearing under discussion There is none. All in favor say aye any opposed Motion carries Consent agenda 5 1 through 5 26 Accept 5 25. Please note that that will lie over President Hannah, thank you, Mr. Mayor. I Move that all R.O.'s be accepted and placed on file and that all R.C.'s be accepted and adopted Motion and second under discussion Alderman wrench lies your first. Thank you, Mr. Mayor I ask that we pull forward and take a separate vote on item 5 10 from law and licensing pull forward for a separate vote. Yes, please You'd like to make a motion or No, but furthermore I'd like to Remove one of the licenses on there and take a separate vote on that one as well License number six seven nine six Okay, you're dealing with five ten. You're still five ten. Okay We still need a motion to accept it. What are you gonna do now? I'm sorry. Maybe I should put the R.C. Move that the report committee be accepted and adopted except for item Okay, six seven nine six. Okay, so is there a second to that? We probably want to approve it, but we would want Alderman minor to abstain from the vote That's all because otherwise we like to get a separate vote on that item or okay. She needs to abstain for all the items From all the license items, right? I want to take it separate so she can you're staying from just the one Do a simple over that's okay So you want you're making a motion to accept an adopt report a committee accept that I accept that item Correct everybody get that Okay, and there was a second second. Okay under discussion Alderman Kittleson Thank You mr. Can you tell us which it's can you tell us again? Which one it is? Six seven nine six and located on which page All my replace it's One two three four five. It's for Meyer Victoria L. Alderman Meyer Thank You Okay, any more discussion clarifications, are we okay with that ready to take the vote please call the rule We got another comment just to clarify mr. Mayor we're voting on all of them right now minus that one are you voting on that one? Well the way you stated it we're voting on all except except for that one, okay So we don't need a roll call all in favor say aye Any opposed Motion carries all manner in place still on Thank you, mr. Mayor. I like to Put license number six seven nine six mire Victoria L Be accepted and adopted as well the license to be accepted motion and second Second under discussion There is none all in favor say aye. I any opposed Motion carries one extension Okay So we're back to five one five twenty six with the exception of five twenty five which lies over and Accept in five ten, which has just been taken care of or there any other Actions that would like to be taken by the council there being none. Please call the roll Boran, but I'm sorry. Oh, it's not here Serta Hannah Heidemann Kittlesen Clayunas Manny Meyer Montemayor Rinflaich Ryan Vanderweal for Hasselt and Wangeman 14 eyes motion carries communications and petitions 527 to 529 to be referred report of officers to 530 lies over Five thirty one Go ahead five thirty one through five forty nine to be referred Resolutions introduced three Five fifty by Alderman Vanderweal Rinflaich Ryan Serta and Kittlesen Authorizing the appropriate city officials to execute the two two thousand seven Justice assistance grant program award memorandum of the understanding between the city of Sheboygan and the county of Sheboygan Alderman Vanderweal Thank you, honor. I moved to put the resolution upon its passage Motion second put the resolution upon his passage any discussion There being none, please call the roll Serta Hannah Heidemann Kittlesen Clayunas Manny Meyer Montemayor Rinflaich Ryan Vanderweal for Hasselt Wangeman and Boran 14 eyes motion carries 551 by Alderman Verhaselt Meyer Heidemann Gisha and Montemayor Adjusting the pay range midpoint for all non-represented Classifications by 3.7 for the year 2007 Alderman Verhaselt. Thank you. I don't ask that this resolution be put upon its passage Motion in second to put 551 upon its passage under discussion There being none, please call the roll Hannah Heidemann Kittlesen Clayunas Manny Meyer Montemayor Rinflaich Ryan Vanderweal Verhaselt Wangeman Boran And Serta ten eyes four noes motion carries 552 lies over 553 54 and 55 to be referred Report of committees 7 556 and 57 to be referred Report of committees 8 558 by finance recommending authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the 2007 budget President Hannah Thank You. Mr. Mayor. I would make a motion that the Report 0708 Be put upon his passage Motion to accept an adopted party committee put resolution upon his passage second under discussion There being none, please call the roll Heidemann Kittlesen Clayunas Manny Meyer Montemayor Rinflaich Ryan Vanderweal Verhaselt Wangeman Boran Serta and Hannah 14 eyes motion carries Report of committees 9 559 by salaries and grievances Recommend and repealing and recreating chapter 86 of the Sheboygan Municipal Code relating to planning and zoning so as to add the city Engineers and city tourism functions to the city development department Alderman Verhaselt Thank You Your Honor. I'd like to make a motion to accept and adopt this report of committee and put it upon its passage Motion and second under discussion Alderman Serta Thank You. Your Honor. I'm wondering if somebody could provide some clarity as to why it's going to be housed under the city development department Sure, Paulette. Would you like to step up for it? There are a couple of more Alderman we shouldn't wish him to speak would you be okay if we get okay, Paulette All right. Is that okay with you too? Thank You Mayor and County Council Yeah, as I think this all occurred have the discussion and then the subsequent meetings and The information that I provided when Tom Holt and the Director of Public Works and Engineering resigned I had discussions with Mayor Prez and Alderperson Sushia at the time when we were meeting individually as department heads to discuss Recommended changes to our table of organization And so it was there was a discussion was brought up when we talked about Engineering being a part of planning and development and I think that was really spurred by the fact that I had worked so closely with Tom Holt and on a lot of projects that involved engineering and I think that what he did then was I looked at Other communities and although it's not the the norm in the state of Wisconsin at all There are a lot of other communities throughout the United States where development and engineering are combined and Along with building inspection zoning planning And it does appear to function well from the standpoint of you really work towards that one point of contact and a good Good communication and really moving projects forward on the development side, you know And then of course not forgetting that you know engineering and how engineering, you know is Important in and of itself From that regard there will still be a city engineer. It's just a matter of who that city engineer reports to Any other questions? Okay, thank you Paulette we have Alderman Kittleson Thank you. I think thank you your honor Paulette Kind of sort of I was just wondering why we were also making this change and and I she answered my questions. Thank you Thank you your honor. I'm rather baffled by the whole thing I can understand Engineering and development going together Paulette Andrews does a great job. I work with her on redevelopment And several other items that come up But it seems that the engineers Design it and public works builds it normally engineering your engineering and your building go together Paulette does an excellent job. I mean she she is worth every penny that the city pays her and I'm sure much more But since Pete Fullerton left the department, I don't know how she can possibly without having another person on the Development side That is the caliber that that Pete Fullerton was I don't know how she's going to be able to handle all of this So I think this should be thought through And you know look at what are the benefits of the big picture? Before this is done. I'm kind of I'm not clear on on where the benefits are to this right now. Thank you Thank you your honor Thank you Alderman Ryan those were precisely the questions we had at the salary and grievance meeting and Paulette Andrews and Engineer bulky made it very clear to us at salary and grievance that this would age them and make it easier for them to work and more quickly In the past quite frankly, I think all of you will agree with me. We had sort of a Superman doing the the city engineering and Public Works there was a very very Interesting structure with a very capable competent skill individual That situation no longer exists You know that I have talked with both David Bebo and Bill bulky. They're in agreement. They have no objection to that That's so I ask you to consider that too Any other discussion Please call the roll. Oh, sorry. Hold on all of them. Yes. Thank you. Mr. Mayor. I guess I'm not real sure myself at this time that that I wanted Put the city engineering under the city development as well I'm very much for the city tourism functions to be kept with city development so I'm wondering if if The vote maybe could be separated on these two items for city engineering and city tourism Thank you Ryan Thank you. Once again your honor. I Agree with older person Kittleson on that regarding the Tourism and truthfully I have nothing against engineering being under development. I just think that right now development Paulette has her hands has her hands so full of Projects that go on that I don't see how One person can can can do this right now To have another department under her along with everything. She's got I mean she's she does a phenomenal job for the city But I hate to see her get more bogged down when her primary purpose is to sell this city is to develop this city Thank you. Paulette, would you please come up? I'm gonna ask you a question It's very interesting for all of us to speculate to say that you cannot handle an additional Responsibility question would be can you and do it effectively? Absolutely, and I'm confident in our interim city engineer and the work that he does and You know he's done a terrific job between the time that time left and now in managing that department I think it'll be a you know a very good You know marriage between the two departments and then also we will be hiring and we're close probably you know I hope within the next week that we can have an offer to somebody to fill It's not Pete's position, but it's an economic development manager and that will greatly assist in the work that I have to do Okay, thank you. Paulette There'll be it all the cleanest Thank you, your honor. I appreciate everything that's been said about you know her having too much I also think though that if she's in the this engineering is in her department. She has Less hurdles to go in terms of communication. The person is with her working with her directly I think there's a lot of development going on the city which requires engineering advice and engineering direction And I think that if this person is working with Paul at in her department I think the communication will be smoother and more efficient Okay, I'll include us Set your third time Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I guess I just I have a problem with it simply because I think 50 or 75 years from now Engineering Will or the city engineer will still be with the Department of Public Works when I did some Research on this I found that within the state of within our state most city engineers are with the Department of Public Works And so I'm just I'm looking at it the big picture years from now What the plan is that that those are where those positions? Usually fall into that area, and so I'm I am I am concerned about it, and I just I feel that the city engineering should stay with the with the DPW So, thank you. Thank you Olerman Verhezzel. Thank you your honor You know being chairman of the salary and grievances committee. I did take some opportunity to speak with all the affected parties mr. bulky mr. Bebel Ms. Enders and others and again, this is largely semantics I mean when it comes down to their day-to-day routine is not going to change much if anything I think Paul that'll take on some small and additional responsibilities as far as approvals and Authorization in the reporting process, but the day-to-day routines are largely unchanged and the net benefit is better communication I think the benefits far outweigh the negatives in this case Thank you all over hassle Sir thank you your honor wondering if all their person for hassle could elaborate to if there's it going to be any Compensation for these additional responsibilities, and then also a follow-up from Ed suric our HR director to confirm that All over hassle you have any comments, sir. Yeah, I'd like to defer that Ed suric if at all possible. Yes, please mr. Suric would you please come up? I guess the question is has there been discussion regarding compensation, and I have discussed with Paul it and Kind of wait and see I don't have an answer yet Thank you all right. This is third time. We're going to allow one more. Thank you, sir. I greatly appreciate that I just I It seems to me that that we're changing something if it's just a matter of communication between engineering and development I Believe engineering and development will remain in two separate buildings such as they are now Correct I don't know I would there are we talking about moving departments. I don't I Don't see how this Makes a lot of sense to me Sir, you know, I'd how is communication going to improve if we're still in two different locations You're still working on the same projects. It seems to me I I would be much more comfortable if there was a bigger more of a clarification of What direction this is is going why you know, why are we doing this? It doesn't it just doesn't make a lot of sense to me right now that we would do this just for a matter of of Improve communication Well, I I'm just not comfortable with it sir. I just don't know what the purpose of it is and That's what I'll tell you to be improved communication means a lot Efficiency means a lot It would weigh in seriously with me if we had the effective as all of our hassle is stated the effective individuals were against it They're not I Don't see where where we would object to that if the parties that are part of that Organization that structure or say we're okay with it. We we can make it work and we will make it work. So Anything else? There is none, please call the roll Kittleson Clowness Manny Myer Montemay or Rin Flesch Ryan Vanderweel for Hasselt Wongamon Moran Serta Hanna Heidemann Nine eyes five nose motion carries 560 by salary and grievances Recommendant repealing and recreating division two of article four of chapter two of the shabuigan municipal code So as to remove the city engineer and function from the Department of Public Works Alderman for hassle Thank you, your honor again. I'd like to make a motion to accept and adopt this report of committee and pass the ordinance Motion in second. This is just a follow-up to the action that you just took any discussion There is none, please call the roll Clowness Manny Myer Montemay or Rin Flesch Ryan Vanderweel for Hasselt Wongamon Warren Serta Hanna Heidemann Kittleson Nine eyes five nose motion carries 561 by salary and grievances Recommendant providing for the appointment of the city engineer by the director of planning and development Once again, just to follow up to the action. All of them are hassled. Thank you, your honor again I'd like to make a motion to accept and adopt this report of committee and pass the ordinance Motion in second under discussion There being none, please call the roll Manny Myer Montemay or Rin Flesch Ryan Vanderweel for hassled Wongamon Warren Serta Hanna Heidemann Kittleson Clowness Nine eyes five nose motion carries Ordinances introduced 10 562 by old woman Hanna born Clowness bulk in Gisha Amending the code so as to provide for a petty cash fund for the municipal court all women Hannah We need a motion to suspend Yes, I'd like to make a motion to suspend. There's a motion to second. Is there any objection? There is none then we'd a motion to pass put the ordinance upon his passage I would make a rule a motion that the ordinance be put upon his passage Motion in second under discussion All in Vanderweel Thank you. Thank you. I was just wondering if any other department has this and in why this was requested. I don't know I Is there anyone here that can answer that question Susan please accept any I need a motion open the floor to a non-department in Second motion second all in favor Any opposed motion carries, please step up Thank you one of the departments that I oversee the senior center does have a petty cash fund And I can speak as to the senior center Because it's a human service Organization and they're meeting and dealing with people sometimes they need things that they don't have on hand And it was becoming too cumbersome for Wendy Schmitz my staff member to put it on her own credit card And then wait for this city to repair Any thank you all all in Vanderweel is that yes, thank you all right. Did you need to address Susan? Please do I think we should let the public know this petty cash fund is a hundred dollars It's it's not like we're talking a phenomenal amount of money and it's my understanding that none of the departments in the city Have credit cards Which probably is a big hindrance in doing business in the city because if you have to jump through 20,000 hoops to get a purchase order to buy a ballpoint pen It's very time-consuming and cumbersome So I think that that should probably be looked at of course with very close scrutiny on those credit cards Thank you. Thank you Okay, I'm C. Clerk The late last week the municipal court has taken over all receipts all the fines coming in are no longer being taken at the finance department Or the police department. That's why they need the petty cash So they'll be doing it all up here in limited hours Okay Everybody okay with that any further questions? Vice president born Thank You your honor just in follow-up a little bit on that topic. I had a discussion last week with finance director Rich Gebhardt and we're also looking at bonding these people in the Municipal Court that are gonna be handling the money the judges currently bonded but not the employees so Mr. Gebhardt is going to come up with some Figures at bonding these people at different Dollar amounts and we'll be taking a look at that in finance. So it is related to this Thank you for the explanation a little bit more anything else There'll be no more discussion. We will call the roll Meyer Montemay or Rinflaich Ryan Vanderweel for hassled Wongamon born Serta Hannah Heidemann Kittleson Clowness and Manny 14 eyes motion carries 563 lies over Matters laid over 11 318 RO number 90708 by the city plan Commission Recommend and vacate in part of lot 1 South Pier plat all of them want to my lord Thank You your honor. I move to accept and adopt the RO and the resolution be put upon its passage Motion and second under discussion There is none please call the roll Montemay or Rinflaich Ryan Vanderweel for hassled Wongamon boron Serta Hannah Heidemann Kittleson Clowness Manny and Meyer 14 eyes motion carries 492 resolution number 10708 by all of them and Hannah boron Clowness bout in Gisha authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the 2007 budget all of them Hannah Thank You your honor. I would move that the resolution be put upon his passage motion second under discussion There is none please call the roll Rinflaich Ryan Vanderweel for hassled Wongamon boron Serta Hannah Heidemann Kittleson Clowness Manny Meyer and Montemay or 14 eyes motion carries 4105 General Ordnance number 50708 by all of them for hassled Montemay or Heidemann Gisha and Meyer amending the code so as to change a job description and job code of the laborer Police department all of them for hassle Thank you. I'm gonna ask that this ordinance be put upon its passage Motion and second under discussion there being none. Please call the roll Ryan Vanderweel for hassled Wongamon Warren Serta Hannah Heidemann Kittleson Clowness Manny Meyer Montemay or and Rinflaich 14 eyes motion carries Thank you Go back a ways, but I just Double-checked my cheat sheet here on document the 561 the charter ordinance that required a two-thirds vote of all the members and Which would have been 11 and only received nine positives Did not pass Excuse me Did not pass Is there anyone of the alderman that voted no that wishes to reconsider the other two were passed? Is there anyone All women replace thank you, mr. Mayor Clarified though the 559 and 560 did pass with the simple majority Five 59 and 560 passed with the simple majority. That's right. Okay 561 fails. Where does that leave us? It it leaves you in a situation where currently the public works director appoints the city engineer and that would be the case even though The city engineer would be in the planning department. Yeah, thank you Alderman Ryan Thank you, your honor. So basically what we're saying here the city engineer Will be under city development that has passed on these other Resolutions here, however, they will not be appointed by the development director. They would be appointed by the director of public works That doesn't make any more sense than the original thing did to me So I will rescind my vote on this well, I need a motion to reconsider I will make a motion to reconsider in that case. Is there a second second under discussion There's not all in favor of the motion to reconsider. Please say aye. Any opposed One no Second Then I need from someone an emotion a motion to accept and adopt 561 and put the ordinance upon its passage Motion second under discussion There being on please call the roll and we need how many votes 11 need 11 So two would have to reconsider We consider Wongamun Warren Serta Hannah Heidemann Kittleson Clayunas Manny Mayer Montemayor Rindflash Ryan Vanderwheel For Hasselt 11 eyes three nose motion carries three quarters vote. Thank you very much Alderman And thank you attorney McLean for catching that we were on 4105 4105 finish that one and was there a motion already I already have The roll call for that. So yes, so we're done with that. Yep 105 4106 general ordinance number 60708 by Alderman for Hasselt Montemayor Heidemann Gisha and Meyer amending the code so as to delete the current and create an update position of finance director treasurer Alderman for Hasselt thank you your honor asked us if this ordinance be put upon its passage Motion in second Under discussion There is none. Please call the roll Warren Serta Hannah Heidemann Kittleson Clayunas Manny Meyer Montemayor Rindflash Ryan Vanderwheel for Hasselt and Wongamun 14 eyes Motion carries 4107 general ordinance number 70708 by Alderman for Hasselt Montemayor Heidemann Gisha and Meyer amending the code so as to add a temporary part-time I assistant to the senior activity to the senior activity center Supervisor to the mayor's office senior center table of organization, and I believe that's the one is being paid by friends of seniors No Oldman for Hasselt thank you your honor again. I asked that this ordinance be put upon its passage Motion in second under discussion Vice president boring Thank you, your honor you asked us for a clarification whether that was being paid for by the yes, it is or it isn't It is it is being paid It's not can win again. We need to ask Susan so I need a motion to open the floor Second thank you all in favor. I any opposed Susan. Please step forward The position you were referring to that's being paid by the friends of the senior center is for the volunteer Coordinator, and we already have that person in place this position our activities planner resigned and she was at 25 hours a week as You recall Boris Frank was in here the consultant that the friends of the senior center Hired to come in and evaluate and he is suggesting some organizational structure changes And so I didn't want to put on another position only to have to lay them off later so we approach salary and grievances about Instead of replacing the activities coordinator all we're doing is adding an extra set of hands to the senior center through the end of the year and So this person will be temporary in part time until the Commission on Aging decides What direction they want to see us go? Is that was present born it's okay anybody else okay, thank you Susan Okay, we will call the roll Serta Hannah Heidemann Kittleson Clowness Manny Meyer Montemay or Rinflaich Ryan Vanderweal for Hassel Wongamon Boran 14 eyes motion carries 4 120 general orders number 807 oh 8 by Vanderwealy Rinflaich Ryan Serta and Kittleson relating to regulatory signs so as to add Stop signs for east-west traffic on David Avenue at South 20th Street and South 21st Street Alderman Vanderweal would like to take both Yeah, thank you owner. I'll take item number 4 121 as well Because they're related and I'll put both general ordinances upon their passage Motion and second on your discussion there being none. Please call the roll Hannah Heidemann Kittleson Clowness Manny Meyer Montemay or Rinflaich Ryan Vanderweal for Hasselt Wongamon Boran and Serta 14 eyes motion carries other matters authorized by law 564 a resolution by Alderman Ryan Proving the terms and conditions of the contract for lease of land and accompanying Ground lease between the redevelopment authority and Muehler development company LLC Alderman Ryan. We need a motion to suspend first Thank you, your honor. I move for a motion to suspend the rules. Is there any objection? There is none. Please proceed. Thank you, your honor. I move that the resolution be put upon its passage Motion and second to put 564 upon its passage under discussion Thank you your honor. This is a standard ground lease for the south South Pier district will add approximately a half million dollars to the Tax base to the TIF district right now. It's a good thing. We're suspending the rules to get the ball rolling We need to get as much built down there as quickly as possible. Thank you. Thank you, Alderman Ryan Any other discussion? There is none. Please call the roll Heidemann Kittleson Clowness Manny Meyer Montemay or Rinflaich Ryan Vanderweel for hassled Wonderman Warren Serta and Hannah 14 eyes motion carries 565 an RO by the board of contractors examiners submitting applications for building contractors licenses Alderman Kittleson I need just a motion to accept. Okay. I'm sorry Alderman Rinflaich. Yes. Thank you, Mr. Merck. I make a motion to accept the RO and That'd be accepted in place on file Motion and second under discussion There is none All in favor say aye any opposed motion carries 566 will be referred to municipal court advisory committee 567 a resolution by Alderman Ryan Bauch Ordering a hearing on the vacation and discontinuance of the east-west alley located within Block 105 of the original plat of the city of Sheboygan located between North 7th Street and North 8th Street and Between Ontario Avenue and Niagara Alderman Ryan Thank you, your honor. I put yes that the resolution ordering a hearing be put upon its passage Motion second under discussion If I may your honor, this is to vacate the alley in order to go ahead with the development of the grand stay hotel On on 7th and Niagara. Thank you. Thank you. Alderman Ryan any further discussion There is none all in favor say aye any opposed Motion carries Moving along 568 will be referred to city plan commission 569 will be referred to city plan commission 570 will also be referred to city plan commission 571 will be referred to city plan commission 572 a resolution by old man Ryan and bow directing a public hearing regarding the change in or in zoning classification of a parking lot from class and our six neighborhood residential six to class neighborhood commercial classification Alderman Ryan Thank you, your honor. I ask that they rest the resolution directing the public hearing be put upon its passage Is there a second second under discussion? Same issue the same issue. Thank you There being no more all in favor say aye any opposed motion carries 573 will be referred to city plan commission 574 575 and 76 will be referred to city plan commission also Other matters attorney McLean Thank you, your honor 577 is an arrow by the finance director treasurer submitting the harbour center marina balance sheet from operations dated April 30 2007 is submitted by skipper marine that will be referred to marina and harbour 578 is communication from Mary Murphy secretary of st. Peter Claver parish council Requesting a change in parking in front of the church building on south 11th street to be a loading zone sign That will be referred a public protection and safety 5-79 is communication from Beverly Schaefer regarding the intersection of 7th Street and Pennsylvania Avenue It was going to be approved in public protection and safety for a blinking light rather than the traditional red green and amber Stoplight quite currently in place and wondering what is happening that would also go to public protection and safety 580 is a resolution to authorize the transfer of appropriations in 2007 budget that will be referred to finance 581 is Submitting as a matter of record of communication from Mary Joe Tittle executive director of family resource center of Sheboygan County Advising that the literacy council of Sheboygan County, Inc. and the family resource center of Sheboygan County, Inc. Have agreed to merge effective July 1 2007 with the programs and activities of the literacy council becoming a part of family resource centers of Sheboygan County, Inc. That will lie over 582 is an arrow by the city clerk Submitting various license applications for the period ending June 30 2008 and June 30 2009 That will be referred a law and licensing committee 583 is an arrow by the city clerk submitting the Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources 2007 environmental fee statement for payment that will be referred a public works 584 is a resolution authorizing the appropriate city officials to pay the required environmental fees enforced by the Wisconsin DNR for the Sheboygan wastewater treatment plant that will be referred a public works think That was 584 Anything else? There's motion in the adjourn second all in favor say aye any opposed the stand adjourned