 Welcome to the Mother of All Talk shows and it's live from Rochdale. Get used to it. As the voters prepare tomorrow to send a humiliating message to the big two parties, Conservative and Labour, in one of the most significant political by-election contests in many decades. This is Cathy Bogan and I'm here with George Galloway in the town of Rochdale and George is running in the by-election tomorrow and he is the leader of the Workers' Party of Britain. George, can you tell me something about why you're running here in Rochdale? Well, first of all I'm honoured that you came all the way from Down Under to visit me here in Rochdale. I know you were here mainly for the Julian Assange case in which I'm vitally interested also but it's lovely that you came up here. I'm a very big admirer of consortium news. We do a lot of work together, me on your shows, your people on my shows and long may you continue doing the work that you're doing. But you've caught me now on the eve of poll. It's unfortunately hecticly busy because we're fighting to the last ball as Imran Khan used to say we'll play to the last ball and that includes tonight and tomorrow all day. But I think we stand an exceedingly good chance of winning. Certainly the bookmakers think so and the bookmakers don't get rich making bad calls very often so I'm the odds on favourite quite red hog odds on favourite but we're not taking anything for granted. Yes well it's interesting I've been wandering around the town today and I just talked to everybody anyway but just about everybody except for two said that they weren't going to vote. They had a common opinion that politicians are liars and they promise you the moon and then you get nothing when they get elected. You're different George aren't you? Would you like to explain why? Well first of all I don't consider myself a politician. I'm a political leader yes but a career politician I'm not if I had been I might have gone far. I've been elected six times to parliament before. Tomorrow might be the seventh. In four different towns and cities equaling Winston Churchill's record of which I'm quite chuffed we stand for a different kind of politics. We think that the pantomime in the House of Commons is a show of two cheeks of the same backside neither more attractive than the other. You know we live in an era where people are told to choose the lesser of two evils. I've never followed that because evil always wins if you do that and in any case in Britain it's not possible to discern which is the lesser of the two evils. I could make a good case either way that the Labour leader is just as evil as the Conservative leader and these labels increasingly mean little. The Conservative party isn't very conservative and the Labour party sure is Labour. So these are legacy labels that are increasingly out of touch with their historical basis and we are something new. We in a way you could compare us to how the Labour party was born. The workers such as had votes all voted for the Liberals until people decided that well actually the working class needs a party that will represent its interest separate and distinct from the interests of the industrialists that the Liberals mainly sought to represent. So in that context we are if you like a refoundation of thank you a refoundation of a party of Labour a party of the workers and after just three years we stand on the brink of electing our first member of Parliament. Labour was 12 years before they elected a member of Parliament. Yeah but you will be running in about 50 constituencies that's how many. It's looking like 55 now and or the party is about to double triple in size. I mean in the last three weeks we've had 500 new members and if we win here tomorrow that will be 5 000. We were in a situation in Britain where all over the country people they represented dry tinder just waiting for a spark and I think we're going to be that spark. People hate the mainstream parties millions of Labour voters now hate the Labour party so the ground is very fertile indeed for us. Yes yes so what can you do why does Rochdale need a workers party? In 1844 the movement that became the global co-op movement started right here in Toad Lane in this town imagine I've been in co-ops in the favelas in Brazil in the townships in South Africa all over the world the idea that came from Rochdale emerged and spread and they were called the Rochdale pioneers and we are now 180 years later we are the new Rochdale pioneers we're pioneering the revival of working class politics and never has there been a greater need for it we are seeking no less than a Rochdale revival we'll follow up the by-election tomorrow with local elections in 12 weeks time with a general election no more than 200 days away and pardon me all over this region I have in this room received deputations from Ogham from Bolton from Blackburn from Berry from Greater Manchester Tameside all over the northwest there's going to be elections like this yeah either there'll be workers party candidates or they'll be independent standing with our support and Labour will lose very significant number of seats from our electoral intervention and that's our role that's what we see did that did that sort of start with the asking of Jeremy Corbyn yes yes uh the that was the death blow for the Labour Party and Jeremy will now have to stand as an independent with our support of course and of course thousands have been expelled suspended drummed out of their positions many of them Jews incidentally I mean never were there more Jews sacrificed in the name of fighting anti-Semitism than in Kiosk Armour's Labour Party the there was a prominent Jewish councillor in Stratum last night suspended for voting for a ceasefire motion in the local authority so I believe it was the beginning of the end yes when Corbyn was ousted by Starrmar Corbyn should have walked out of the Labour Party there and then he would have taken 100,000 200,000 people with him if he had uh I'm critical of him for the time that he's wasted in not doing that having said that next Monday I expect to walk into the House of Commons with him by my side oh that'll be fantastic George there's um I've heard this uh hopefully these numbers are right but about 25 percent of the population of Rochdale uh from the Muslim community now I just saw that horrible post I shouldn't voice such an opinion but something about a two-horse race and one had the English flag and the other the Palestine flag do you think that the entire population are aware of how much British money goes into war generally to Ukraine yeah I should make it clear it's not a poster it's a tweet uh a poster would require more than one person to put it up yeah and the person who drew up the meme doesn't have more than one person uh he did have him and his wife but he's asked his wife to take a step back that person who made that meme will lose his deposit meaning he'll get fewer than five percent of the votes and that I think answers your question that more and more British people are increasingly aware of the role that Britain is playing in this crisis in the Middle East and of course 100 percent of all Muslims feel the pain of Gaza but no one should underestimate the number of people who are not Muslims who are feeling the pain equally uh and they're seriously underestimating the number of people in Britain that are demanding an end to this and are increasingly bitter about Britain's role within it so I think you're going to get a pleasant surprise when you see the electrics tomorrow okay George Galloway thank you very much and good luck tomorrow long life to consortium news and to the workers party thank you