 Good afternoon, and thank you all for joining us live from Fort Riley, Kansas home of the 1st Infantry Division and the big red one Thank you all for joining us online and Brigadier General John Klein the commanding general of the Center of Initial Military Training Thank you for joining us as well. All right Today's session today's session will focus on the Army combat fitness test the changes To the policy that were signed by the Secretary of the Army Secretary Christine warmeth and the implementation timeline as well as answering questions That you in the room have and you online have as well So without further ado like to welcome the 16th sergeant major of the army sergeant major of the army Michael A. Grinston Okay, general client. I see you clapping so um and It's awesome. It's great to be back here with a big red one And I am a former big red one soldier and I'm proud to say that so it's good to be here with you Before we even start talking about the Army combat fitness test I do want to recognize our soldiers that are forward deployed and And just say how proud I am of what our army has done We've got several soldiers in the last month that had to do a no notice deployment to reassure our allies and our partners across the globe specifically in Europe and That resonates home because first brigade of the first ID is deployed and had been deployed and Was notified that they had to extend a little bit longer over in Europe So I really want to say thank you on behalf of all the soldiers and all the citizens of the world for what you do and As we roll out the ACFT This is just a small portion of what we do and the United States Army I just want us all to be aware that we have several thousands of soldiers across the globe right now Ensuring our allies and partners and I keep that foremost in our thoughts and our prayers and everything that we do And make sure that you're always ready for whatever the army asked you to do And we're going to keep that in the foremost of our minds But without further ado, we finally have gotten to the point where we have the army combat fitness test So the goal here is just kind of talk about it I'm going to run through a lot of the information that we have and The goal is to get through this in about 30 minutes if it takes me a little bit longer And then we're going to open it up for whatever questions you have and I've also again. Thanks to general Klein Just I'm not screened just went away and then but over here for being here with me and the center of Initial military training commander We have been partners in this and trade-off the whole army staff We've been working on this for years So and I'm really proud that we've gotten to this point and this is it said one April I told you all that probably for like three years So one April's is coming it's right around the corner and this is your army combat fitness test I look forward to your questions in the front. Okay, so here we go. We're going to just jump right in So I'm going to turn it over to Jill Klein He's going to give you a history of how did we get to this point and then I'm going to take it from there on what we're Doing on the rest All right, thanks SMA really appreciated and I if if I at the risk of a public the embarrassing you you've been an awesome teammate here for since I've been in command and Yes, this has been quite a long road and this this particular Accomplishment is not mine for sure as you mentioned. It's a team and it goes back actually two CG's before me So general Hibbard was a huge contributor in this space over the last He was the commander I just replaced so if you're wondering Who I am or what CIMT is You think basic training you think for for enlisted you think about all the basic training That are the basic course Education and everything that goes with our officers. I'm that individual as well. I'm also the commander For the Army's holistic health and fitness, so I'm more or less your PT guy if you will for the army At the purpose of this slide. It's just I'll go through it quickly because there is some It's I think it's relevant to kind of understand where we've been to understand how we landed where we landed and so We've been working on this probably for the better part of about 10 years the idea came out initially I think around 2012 I have on my team lots of experts in this space and they certainly weren't working independently a lot of work was done with academia and professional sports organizations and International and the list goes on and and that's why our test looks a lot different, you know for many other service out there And it is I the Brits probably have the next closest thing But it's your army that has decided to go to the next level and break Break away from something that we've been doing for 39 years. Frankly. It's been something. I've been doing my entire career it's been it's something that the SMA has been doing his entire career and We knew that we needed to change But we knew that that would be a rocky road and and like the SMA just said I was just as excited as he is that we are finally here at this at this stage The APFT For those that don't know we've got 10 components of physical fitness and the APFT for 39 years we focused on muscular endurance and that's really it and You know, there's so much more involved with what we got to do in our army Loading projectiles for example, I listen the SMA talking about loading like 93 Projectiles and do a vehicle then having to unload 93 95 pound projectiles You know, we are spreading the trails on how it serves We are ruck marching all over the place You guys know because you're doing it out there in the big red one so we knew we needed to do something better and That's where a CFT was born and Unlike the APFT just focused on one component ACFT gets after all ten of them and and just just by way of education So I mentioned muscular endurance for the APFT But muscular strength a robot capacity flexibility power agility balance reaction time Coordination speed we wanted to get a test that was going to incorporate all of this and to be I mean we started off with 25 events that we looked at and We and they were related at that time to those warrior tasks and battle drills that we do That's another responsibility. I have here in CIMT as those basic tasks skill level one tasks and warrior tasks and battle drills And we wanted a test that was going to we could link to each one of those So we took the hardest most physically demanding components of the warrior task and battle drills and we Developed a test we boiled this thing down and that's where we came about with the six events Those six events we figured if you could train on functional fitness and then be able to perform well Within the ACFT then you were going to be more ready for combat done. Don't get me wrong If you're training to do the ACFT or if you're training In a in a way that's going to make you better in the ACFT You will be better at doing your wartime tasks, although we struggle a little bit to defend that argument So that's that's kind of the why behind the ACFT and we really got serious about three years ago and You guys can look at the objectives there and a lot of these objectives still hold true today We want to improve soldier readiness. We wanted to transform the culture We wanted to reduce injuries and initial data looks like it's going to be good and reducing musculoskeletal injuries If you're training properly if you're following FM 7-22 if you're doing things like puritization Those things will help you reduce those injuries and then certainly we wanted to increase overall unit readiness And so these three blocks as you read them from left to right That's FY 19 FY 20 and FY 21 with each one of those years was an evolution in the ACFT And I think some of you a lot of you in the room you probably remember that so 1.0 was you know That was our first one We have this black and we have the gray and we had the gold standards and we said okay If you're gonna be certain MOS is you kind of you have to score in the black you guys probably remember that You know infantry and armor and you know depending on what you're gonna do and then if you're less If the requirement was gonna be less physical then you could start to stagger it down from there And that's what that's what we started. It was gender neutral The discussion was it doesn't matter male for you now if you got to do these tasks you got to be able to form at this level We evolved over into FY 20 we made an adjustment there and the point here is We were evolving back then we're evolving now and just like we did for the APFT too We evolved over 39 years. I think it was like four iterations when it was all said and done But never did we get completely stagnant anyway in FY 20 We pulled the MOS standard linkage away. It just became too hard for policy to be honest with you You know, if you're thinking about think about it from a national guard standpoint or something and you're assigned to your To your armory and you're an 11 series and then you can no longer perform at the black standard That's a little bit harder, right? Because that individual can no longer You know, does he get moved from the armory? Does he have to go find another MOS reclassify go to another location? It just became really tangled and so we said, okay, we're just going to make a set of standard for for everybody and And it was at that point we added the plank and we made it a go no go event and then in 21 We evolved to the the most recent version that you all are familiar with Still gender neutral, which you know, it was the same standard for male and female And and we got into uh the tiering and you I know you're all familiar with it But you could be a platinum you could be a gold or silver or so on and so forth and then we added a hundred point scale to the plank And then rightfully so Congress wrote in the law within the NDA and we'll get into that later on in the slides But the national defense authorization act it was written in there. Hey look army We're not we're a little bit uncomfortable here and we we need you to answer two questions And we'll get into those later on and then um, they did a study It was they asked for a third party to do it. They did the study And we took the feedback from that study When we made the final changes of which the sma is going to go into later But it wasn't just the ran study and that's important to note here We looked at 630 thousand scores that we had accumulated over time look given all the diagnostics we had over three years We looked at ran study, of course as well. We took a lot of feedback from soldiers and leaders across the force And then um, we we within our own team and talking to academia and there's a lot of folks that were involved with it We settled where we are right now. I shouldn't say settle We we we came to a final conclusion on where we are right now with uh, the a cft that was just approved and Mind you, it's not a cft 4.0 Um, we're done with the enumeration. This is your army combat fitness test and it'll be effective on one, april So, uh, with that i'll turn it back over to the sma. Thanks as sir, um Thank you for that. That's a little bit Thank you Okay, eventually, uh, the bike will come back on or not. Can you hear me? okay Yes, no, okay good Somebody give me a thumbs up if it's not working Okay, sir. Can you still hear me? Okay, good. Okay. So here we go. We said it's not 4.0. So what is it? Um, still the state It's relatively the same thing. We made one sma minor change Um, we took off the numbers. It's not 4.0. It's the army combat fitness test start with that number two Just remove the leg tuck. You had a plank leg tuck. You had choices No, you get no more choices. It's just a plank Um, it's you're all going to have the same experience. It's not going to be well. I did this I did that And it's just the plank you're going to do the plank and you go out and it's so part of that was just so that Um, you would actually have the same standard and it made it a little bit simpler. Um, we're going to start one april and you have to You gotta first of all, please read the army directive if you hadn't Um, I know I'm sure you hadn't because it just came out at 10 o'clock this morning So via the chance if you're a leader go back and read it and then read again You're going to hear what we're going to say Pull out the army directive and then read it. It's okay. Am I following everything in there? That's number one one april starts Uh, a diagnostics is because we made a change A minor change. Maybe you've been doing leg tucks the whole time. You haven't even done a plank Um, I'm not that would surprise me if you've never done planks, but either way for giving me an opportunity Um on one april you could take the pt test. You won't be flagged on one april Okay, you're not going to be flagged on one april you have from one april Uh to one october to take a diagnostic pt test in one october If you have not passed the hft You're going to have to take the hft and if you fail on one october you will be flagged Okay key dates starts right now actually Seven days eight days from now So it's going to start you can take a diagnostics But here's here's another a little twist to this at some point in time I could take this diagnostic from one april to one october And if you say yep, i'm good You can say you can say please put that in Dtms and that's going to be my test of record starting in one october So You could have a test of record that predates one october and that'll be the individual so I've taken a lot of a cfts in the last three years. I just anybody else has taken a couple Okay, yeah, you may be Not want to take by four or five more a cfts. You take that you say i'm good. I don't need I've already I've got 600 Why do I need to take another one in october? So you're good? Um, you can go back it will not be effective till one october, but it'll count all the way to April 23, so you have an opportunity to take a test and count that as your test of record Um, so that is one change so But if you fail the a cft In one april you will not be flat But one october You will be so you'll have to take another a cft and if you don't pass that one you will be flat So you take your diagnostic if you fail that one you will not be flat Let me clarify that you'll have to take another one in october If you don't pass that Your unit is authorized to fly you at that point. Okay, um So that is a little bit of change There is a little a different for a longer period of time if you are A united states army reserve soldier or an army national guard soldier So you're gonna have more time Because you know one week in a month in theory for giving you more time to do your diagnostic And that will go all the way to april of 23 So active component and agr soldiers What i told you one april and one october that is for you that is correct When you get to the army national guard and the army reserve You have a little bit more time and your clock will start in april of 23 And at any time you feel that you've let the go Uh, you can do that. Those are the meaning you have passed your diagnostic. I'm good to go. Okay, so those are the major changes And that's how some key dates and I will go into more On this as we go through but those are the big dates that we have. Okay So how why how do we get to this point? So the national defense authorization act Um said the secretary of the army must do another independent Study I say another because there actually was the university of iowa did an independent study On the army combat fitness test But it said you may the secretary of the army may not implement the the test until the independent study is done And we have to look at the impacts of climate on training and testing and the second one is You know, what would be the impacts for recruiting and retention, especially with different mls and other things And what happened is ran came back and said we looked at the independent study And they came up with recommendations for the army So we did look at the impacts of climate and we looked at the impacts That would have on training and testing They saw a small degree of change in there saying if you have 90 degrees above you may have Like five or 10 points difference But It's all different depends on when you do it and when you take it and the impacts of recruiting and retention We'll kind of talk about that And i'll talk about the recommendations and how do we get there based off their recommendations But number one on the impacts mostly on retention was You know, they recommended based off of what they looked at is that their recommendation was to gender norm the test That was from the ran study based off of what the um The law had said and it says they're insured parity of the pass rate in groups and I can talk about that The second piece is Requendation from rance said army needs to collect and analyze data under record conditions So some people said well when you read the ran study and I know i'm certain all of you will Um or you will not uh, you can go in and it says, you know, it talks about this thing of validity It says well, this isn't valid and this isn't valid We have to have a test of record and you it has to count So what they said is I don't know when that score What's the motivation? So if it doesn't count, you know and you run and we had some records on the test, you know that we looked at This is okay. You just ran 35 minutes on your two mile run And you were running you weren't on a profile. So There's there's some discrepancies there, you know, most people can walk two miles faster than 35 minutes, you know Maybe you know most So ran's recommendations and we need those record conditions and we still need to analyze that So when you read it and it talks about valid, you know validity of the test That is to a different standard and we made the recommendation changes So we are moving forward with the test and that's why one october um Earlier. Okay. So major change was I said we took out the the lake tuck. Um, let's talk about climate. I did talk about that. Um We did Look at it and they had a recommendation. So we said in the army directive commanders may Not require well, but they need done not required. So commanders need to be aware Of what happens when you have certain climate conditions So we didn't see a large point difference The second piece of some of the law and the rants that he talked about deployed Well, we already actually have a policy or actually we have a field manual that says you shouldn't require Soldiers to take a physical fitness test in combat And that's actually been the same for a long time. It's in our doctrine already. It says, you know Commanders shouldn't say, hey, I know they're shooting at you right now. Let's give you the army combat fitness test So that's actually in our doctrine and that is alive and well That's on the that's on Um, what we would do for climate and combat and deployment So and I'm sorry on the climate we have to say, okay commanders should take in uh Commitization period. So if I go from For Riley To for Carson where there is a change in elevation. You should have Some period of time and we're writing that in the army directive commanders should look at a compensation So one day you're at the 4500 at Fort Carson shouldn't be the day you're taking the PT test You need time to climatize in that location and that's in the army directive The second piece we talked a lot about is recruiting One thing actually didn't change is we already we still have the opa it didn't so The reason I say we still have the opa we didn't Require you to take the htft to come in the army So we should not see any changes to Assessions meaning when you come in because you already have the the physical assessment test That did not change. That's been in implementation for years And believe it or not, you've had a deadlift for years It was 120 and that's part of the physical assessment to come in the army and that's been around So we don't see any changes to the sessions. Um, the second piece was arm retention and we'll talk about grading and Sessions and what the What the points are going to go and how how we're going to get after that and the timeline the points start and so When we get to the The retention because of the gender norms We don't see that we'll have any changes in how Soldiers will read list or not in the army and that's why we made one of the changes It is evidence-based. So part of that ran study on validity was well The study showed there was a very small sample size When you read the ran says I think it was maybe 46 Women and 250 men and we tried to validate the test We made some changes and we didn't go back and revalidate it based off those changes And we had a very small sample size We now have 630,000 sample sizes And that's why we made some of the minor tweaks that we made So we have a very large sample size that what we have and that's why some of you all like Okay, I keep taking this a cft the star major army looks at it every week And I keep sending notes out to your star majors about hey, why are you not taking the pg test? We needed the data to make an informed decision on we if we need to make the changes So There is a little bit of why why you kept taking that is because we needed really good data In order to inform us on what this is going to look like. So it is evidence based on the changes that we made We also wanted to mitigate the impacts to all the groups And subgroups And I'll talk a little bit about that when I talk about the leg tuck here in a minute One thing is training over time. So the recommendation says hey when you have from the ran study When you had the time you can do well on the acft Um, so we made a few changes on the timeline So in the past if you failed the army physical fitness test You only had 90 days you had to take it again if you didn't pass the 90 days you were separated from the army So based off the ran study, we're giving you more time. We've got now six events So we're going from 90 days to 180. You still only get two times to take it But we're giving you more time to say hey, we changed the test. We got all these events So instead of 90 days, we're going to give you 180 days. That's if you're an active component soldier if you're a reservist United States army reserve or Army national guard that time is longer. I think it's 240 days Totally so you get more time to train Because we did make a change to the test So over time we're going to phase this in and I'll talk about the phasing a little bit more But we're also giving you more time To retrain if you failed the army combat fitness test You get double what you had for the army physical fitness test But it is still two times But if any point in time in there you say i'm good. I was having a bad day on that day I didn't feel well You weren't listening and you made me take the PT test Anyway, I failed and you come back and with your commander and you say sir, ma'am. I'm good I'm ready to take the test. I did a diagnostic score, you know 580. I'm ready to go You could take it So but the max amount of time you have In the active component will be 180 days And no less than 120 So you can't come back and say, okay, you got maxes 180. So but I want you to do it 90. No It's 120. So if you say no, I'm not ready. Not ready about 120 180 You got to take a PT test. Okay, and no longer than 180 after that It's time to time to get every PT and then last thing is one of the recommendations from ran was governance Have a format a formal governance forum And I'll show you a quick slide on the governance here a minute So we have a formal governance forum that will go to the under the vice and the sarbanage army And we'll look at this on a biannual basis There'll be monthly working groups to kind of look at where we're going and then eventually A couple times a year they'll bring it up and say, hey, do we need to make any changes any recommendations? I don't see any major recommendations to the acft. It took us 40 years to get this version. So I just trust me. I don't see us going. Hey, let's go redo that again. So It's going to be a while, but there may be minor changes In recommendations over time and we've done that with the old apft But I don't see any major changes. So when PFC Whitaker 40 years from now when you're the sarbanage army, you can go ahead and make a new one. Okay. Good luck It was awesome. Um We got here. Okay Thanks What you're seeing right now are the max and men slides Um, not slides the max and men of the standards we went and we said it is now gender Nor and it's age group. It's like the old age groups from the apft. They're right there. What you see on there is actually Your men and your max and by age group and it goes all the way up For anybody that happens to be 62. It's right there and those scales are for you. I'll let you stare at that okay, so Why did we go back? Number one? It was one of the recommendations Um from the rancidity that's number one. Number two is This is a general fitness test So everybody needs to be fit and you know, depending on your age and your gender It's a general fitness test. What we were trying to do. It was always a general fitness test But you heard general client talk about we're trying to we're trying to cram a whole bunch of other things into it Like what about this mls and what about that mls and what about this unit and that unit and We said we need to make it simple. So for a general fitness test We we normed it and then then maybe later we could go back and say what about this mls And what about that mls? But for a general fitness test, uh, that's the major event of why we said we're going to have these age groups and these Storm norms and the same thing. There's one standard when you look at the scale There is one standard for the plank for men and women by age group um Very similar to what you had On the sit-ups. There was one scale. So when you look at there, there may be different age groups men and women but the time for the plank is the same for men and women and Just a small modern note the marine corps does actually have a plank and our standards are higher or harder Okay We removed the leg tuck So when you read the ran study, this is where I will talk a few minutes about validity It says we can't validate the leg tuck. I will caution you on this statement Just because you can't validate it doesn't mean oh the leg tuck is a horrible exercise Read the whole page. It's actually page 14. I've read it so many times. I've got pages memorized So on that page, there's a scale and on the top of the scale it says it's multi component exercise But that comes into play and I'll talk about this whole validity. So we can't Validate the leg tuck for all subgroups. That's what it actually says in the verb is and then in the chart It says there's a number associated and it looks like it's you know, it's a good exercise But it is what it says that but the but here's why it's hard to validate, right? There's a component of grip strength There's also a component of upper body and then a core So those three if you take away grip strength and you cannot Hold on to the bar. I can't validate Your core strength That's the validation. We're talking about with the leg tuck You could have some core strength, but you don't actually have the grip strength So it's hard to validate the core So we're going with the plane because then I can validate your core with the plane And I can't validate it if you can't do any leg tucks. You might actually have some core strength But you don't have the grip strength. So Um, I encourage you all don't take out all the climbing drills in the manual. They're still there They're a really good exercise and it's multi component We're just not going to have that as far as our fitness test because it's hard to validate if you don't have the grip strength Don't think I don't need grip strength Okay, and now use my own examples go if you you question it on where you need grip strength Go down to the howitzer section Even if you're not a 13 bravo Go stand down there and then try to load the fast v or the cat v With 90 pounds around and they weight 95 pounds and load 90 of those into the and you'll figure out You really do need some grip strength in the army. Okay, so don't take away. Hey, we never need grip strength But we took that and try to validate for all subgroups. We need to validate the plan And even in the same ran study says we can't we couldn't validate the plan grand even says it Because it's going back to validate it because We had somebody would do a leg tuck and somebody would do a plank Somebody would do a leg tuck and somebody does a plank They said it's hard to validate if everybody's doing something different if that's good for warrior testing battle drills So to actually get validity you need everybody doing the same thing and then you could say is it good Or you'd have to either do it for this grip or that so that's a lot about the validity and why we took it out. Okay Let's talk a little bit. We're going to get to Some of the administrative policies here in a minute. So the first thing is temporary profiles So There is no change To the army standards if I have a temporary profile You still Don't take the PT test That's that's been the policy for a long time. So just so you know, I'm not telling you anything new But for some people they're like, oh sir major. I was told to do this. I don't know where you're told I'm just telling you army policy is if you have a temporary profile, you don't take the PT test permanent profiles If you're on a permanent not to be confused with temporary permanent profile You still take all the events that you're capable of taking In on the army combat fitness test if you can do a max deadlift if you can do the sprint drag carry But you can't do a push-up. You got a bad rotator cup and you you said, well, we could keep you in the army You won't take that event. You will be scored at the minimum And I get extra points because you didn't take the test You won't Know you are you admit I got it. We can ask questions about that But if you don't take that event, you will get 60 points Uh, and if you score high on the sprint drag carry because you did that one you'll get more points But any event you don't take uh for a permanent profile, you would just get the minimum points So, um, but you will take all the events that you can okay And there is a go no go for the alternate events. We added one alternate event back here The alternate event that we just that you didn't have until We just rolled this out was the wall and So why do we put that in there? So There's a lot of questions about equipment and You had a bike you had a swim you had a rope What I found is we didn't issue that equipment. It was a unit purchase And some units didn't purchase Um, so When I looked back and said hey, I think If you're you didn't purchase it and it's mostly and I'm not saying, you know, you know The army national guard or the army reserve doesn't have equipment. That's not true. It's not correct Um, but if I'm in a different state and I've got equipment over here and the row is over there I don't have a rower over here and in fact your alternate event It's hard to train for an alternate event if you don't have the rower So we said let's do this alternate event a walk. So we brought that back in we may take it out later, but right now Um, the walk is still is the one other minor change took out the leg tuck and we added a walk as an alternate event Um, so we added that in and then The next is the governance very quickly. We added a governance for you all There's a monthly working group again. I told you at the top We're going to look at it. We're going to look at it by annually and then any decisions will be made um From the department of the army as we go forward as we look at this and then The moment we're all waiting for is the the wonderful slide on policies and how we're just going to go in So we'll go to this last Maybe please go to the Okay, good. There you go. Okay Um, I'm going to go down line by line number one flags Maybe we do a little check on learn. So when can you be flagged if you don't pass the acft? Okay, one october there you go. When can you be separated? Well, that's not the next one. I said I go line by line. Okay If I am a army national guard or a united states army reserve soldier, when can I be flagged? Okay, april 23. Well, you are listening. I was surprised there for a minute. Okay, good april 23 ets Okay So if I go in in october, I fail the pt test you said well, sir major I get a chance to to take the test again um, and I need to re-enlist and I'm about to ets You cannot re-enlist without a valid acft and believe it or not, that's the same with the apft. However, you can extend So you can do an extension and said hey, I want to do an extension. I want to stay in the army I'm a good soldier. You know, okay. I fail the test you can you can extend you do the extension you pass the acft um within Two times 180 days You did a seven months extension. You pass. You can stay in the army. You don't pass. You can't re-enlist Okay, you can extend if you don't pass starting 1 october re-enlistment I was pretty clear on that you don't pass the acft You cannot re-enlist in the army. You have to pass the acft That is no change same thing apft. You don't pass. You don't stay in the army okay, um You have to pass it within the last 12 months So you can't you know forever. I've never passed. I keep doing extension or something like that So you you got to validate you've done the acft and then for some reason you fail Um, you can extend but you can't stay in you can't physically re-enlist while you're flagged until you actually pass the acft um It is good your requirement once you graduate basic training You will have to pass the army combat fitness test Once you get through a it if you don't pass an a it you're not they're not coming to your units For initial military training professional military training 1 october Then you go to any school army national guard army reserve or active component I go to alc and there is a graduation requirement You have to pass the acft starting on 1 october You go to school. You got to take the test. You don't take the test. You don't pass. You don't graduate If it's a graduation requirement for that school some schools don't I don't know if you go to ranger school There's a pt test and and there's also a five by run. You don't pass that you don't graduate So we're not implementing anything new But if you go to the basic leader course, it is a graduation requirement to do the old pt test You're going to have a graduation requirement on 1 october to do the acft. You have to pass. You don't graduate all compos all compos We're starting on the same date. Okay um evaluations on 1 october If you've got a through date pass 1 october you can al add i scored 600 on the acft Because I know for a longest we had no positive or negative There's nothing on your ncr for two years. You can't write anything on physical fitness Starting 1 october your through date is on there. You can now write positive and negative negative is probably not gonna look good But you can now write Through date through 1 october you can write that on Your ncr the same thing The reserve component is the same timeline. It is 1 april So a little more time for them to start if you're an active component 1 october You're right through date of your ncr gets looked at and will be looked at on the boards starting Six months promotions This is where it gets a little uh squirrely on us. Okay, so promotion boards after If it's a centralized promotion board after 1 october they can look at your scores however Do my centralized your acft score will not start counting on 1 october. It's actually going to be 1 april 23 And somebody wants to say well, why is that sorry major? Well? I can't have the whole army take a pt test on 1 october So what happens and you know, how do you say your name? Let's see you How do you say it? Okay, do you decide when you get to take your four record pt test in your unit you just go It's a day. We're gonna do this on this day. You don't do you right? A lot of people in this room probably don't make that decision, right? So what happens if my unit gives me the pt test on? 2 october And I say okay 2 october it starts you give promotion points for acft But because your unit didn't schedule it you don't get promotion points and that person gets promoted ahead of you. Is that fair? Okay, that's why we're not starting you get six months Well, actually you get a year to take the acft If you hadn't taken it by then Okay, well, you're not getting a promotion points. I don't know what to tell you and you're gonna get separated the army. So um, so yes Uh, you're not gonna get promotion points on 1 october So and yes The apft will still count Let's say that you know, I got it. I'm trying to we're trying to get the apft is This we're it's gone. Just but If you have a valid apft at some point and you're promotable those promotion points are still going to count to 1 april It's because I don't want to take all Promotion points out of the promotion system for you to get promoted physical fitness still should matter in the army For who it should count for something for getting promoted That's the only reason that you get to still have that apft score is that I got to give everybody in the whole army a chance to take it And you've all had a chance to take the apft because we wrote in the x store that you could take an apft if you were promotable Said if you want to go back and take it go ahead They the old test so you could Um, so if you've got that valid score On the old apft that will still give you some promotion points until 1 april and then we're going to reset the clock So you still have to take it. You don't pass you're still going to be flag So I passed the apft, but I failed this one. No, I'm sorry. You're still going to be flagged You're probably not going to get promoted, but your promotion points will still count If the active component for a period of time until april of 23 and then after that they will go away Okay, so We can ask more questions on that if you'd like permanent profiles. I talked about that temporary profiles When you read this extension in a very long time for temporary Sins temporary profiles on apft It's because you may have a temporary profile for a long period time For whatever reasons So those scores may count for you for a period of time And you may even just get a blanket score in 1 april So if I'm for whatever reason I'm promotable and I have not taken an apft ever And I'm on this temporary profile for whatever reason that comes around in april And you're in good stances in the army and you're on a temporary profile You could get some promotion points in the apft, but it will be the middle It will be 360 points. Okay And I can answer questions on that if you'd like and then lastly is separations Uh listed personnel on 1 april of 23 you will be separated if you're not passed an apft You let me rephrase that you can be separated Uh, and I'll explain what I mean So again, we're not assuming the whole army takes the pt test on 1 october. Maybe you take it on 2 october That's when your clock starts When you take the acft So just like any unit when you schedule it because you don't control that when I take the acft You got six months In theory if I took it on 1 october and I don't pass it six months is 1 april Okay, so don't for all the leaders in the back row. Don't try to shorten the clock It's still 180 days But 1 april I can separate you so if you take the pt test and you fail In january of 23 Don't try to separate somebody in april 23 because the sarge bates army said you could yes You can separate someone but that's the date that's fixed from 1 october assuming you take a pt test in 1 october Does that make sense you have that six months Whenever you take it and you were to fail you have six months to recruit from there and the clock is 1 april We just said 1 april 23 separations will start is because if you took it on 1 april when you failed That's the date But that's not the date if you haven't passed by then we're going to kick you out of the army If you fail later, that's when your clock is an individual starts. Okay And there and that that date for the active Duty is 1 april 23 and the army national guard in the army reserve is actually 1 april 24 Because their time lines are offset So they get the same amount of time to recruit separate will be 1 april 24 for the army national guard in the army reserve Okay and then I will close And what i'm saying is Please read the policy Pull out the army directive You can read the ran study if you'd like but more importantly If you're a leader pull out that army directive kind of go by there Read it and then think about it. They read it one more time I basically kind of covered most of that There will be some nuances in that and I'm welcome all your questions Leadership matters in physical fitness and we'll open it up for questions. So thank you Thank you as to me just as a reminder a lot of the Things that you saw today and that policy is available at army dot mill slash ac of t This may we'll begin our questions right here in the room Sergeant believe you Sergeant major uh staff serge rigger with bico uh 118 I'm the company mft My biggest question with the h2f and the new standards for the max's And skeletal and muscular injuries. Is there going to be any changes to the at H2f build up With the possibility of the muscular and skeletal injuries. Is there going to be a relook or no? Yeah um I'll kind of give you general guidance and hopefully uh general on client heard that he's the holistic health and fitness He already told you he's in charge of all that. So I appreciate your question We do want to make sure that we do implement our holistic health and fitness program um What we've done for those that may not know we're adding registered dietitians occupational therapists physical therapists to brigade so you have this You know capability down in your formations and then to your specific question on muscular skeletal injuries I'll turn over to general client sir. Hey, thanks sma. Sma. Thanks for that question You got a little bit of an echo here. So um, so seven dash 22 What this ac of t is is absolutely still relevant just like it was in the previous version And if you're less than familiar, I would encourage you to to break it out And take a look at how puritization works and how we build physical fitness up Because it lays it out there in detail and as the sma was was describing for those of you that do have the the benefit of having an h2f team Then you then you absolutely have all the resources and the intent just for everybody in this audience So you understand holistic health and fitness and this largely applies To the active component when I talk about these resources The intent is is that 110 brigades by 2030 would be resourced with these teams that are embedded into your Formations we already feel the 28 brigades right now have h2f teams And as the sma was describing you've got in a director that's overall in charge It's a 37 person team that's within the brigade. You have a physical therapist. You have an occupational therapist You have registered dietitians. You have strength and conditioning coaches. You have athletic trainers in there You have cognitive specialists and ideally All of these individuals are located in one facility and so and that's that's up for discussion right now within the army But we have a soldier performance readiness center consider A gymnasium that has not only the probably the artificial turf right down the middle of it Like we're seeing a lot of the gymnasiums and we have the pull-up bars and we have the hex bars and all that But also in that facility are the offices that Um contain those specialists that I just mentioned So if you are a young soldier and you're coming in and you say I've got a sore ankle Or I want to work on a new pt program or I want to do preventative measures So I don't have to always treat injuries Then you go into the soldier performance readiness center and you go and you see the physical therapist that says Hey, sit down private client. Let me talk to you about here is an individualized program for you And that's what we're doing with h2f are individual programs And we say we think you need to do this set of exercise and then you there's your list for the next six weeks Then you go off to see the registered dietician. They say hey giving your body mask given such and such We think these the these are the meals that you need to be eating how you do it on sleep How are you doing mentally right now? Well, I've been feeling a little depressed Then you go see the cognitive specialist you get you get my drift here all of it is included in there And and you know as our army senior leaders have said many we do a better job Historically, we have we've done a better job of tracking The maintenance status of a striker or a of a pacing item And we know exactly where the parts are anywhere within the system And but we we struggle to do that with our people and this is kind of at the heart of putting our people first this this Investment that our army senior leaders have made in this area of h2f is significant And it absolutely is putting you up front and center until you get these resources 7-22 a lot of those resources are already there right there at the big red one They just may not be in this nice little single gymnasium But they are resident on the facility and your chain of command is tracking those those resources I would encourage you though take a look at this People are talking about puritization Take a look at the proper way in which we are trying to work out our individuals So often is the case we say hey, let's go out and do the workout of the day And whether it's CrossFit or you you named it we go out and and that's where we're hurting people to be honest with you Right, we're going to say hey, we're going to do overhead presses We're going to do all this stuff and we haven't really looked at setting the base and then building and then tapering And then getting to the combat base and then doing an appropriate recovery. So hopefully that answers your question All right estimate, thank you Or general client. Thank you our next question will be here in the room and then we'll go online for the next set of questions Man star major williams dagger brigade. Thank you for coming out star major This may be a way too soon question star major, but do you have any idea when this will be implemented with e i v e s v e f m b? um I don't I don't think that's way too soon I don't I don't have a specific date on when we're going to go with the expert soldier badge expert infantry badge And the expert field medical badge But the goal is to get that all on so that we have the test and we're kind of just waiting for this date So that we're going to say okay, what is this going to look like for? Expert infantry badge expert soldier badge and expert field medical badge. I will tell you right now It will be one standard I just want to be really clear Very clear and that's what we have right now Just so you know i'm not changing anything if you go for the expert infantry badge And we have men and women going for that badge. There's one standard just like ranger school There's one standard when you go up you go to do the task you do the task Okay, so when we get to the expert badges There will be you know one one base that's my goal And we will go with the army combat fitness test version of that at some point But what we've already transitioned to in case you might have missed it It's already have this one thing if we do the same thing for ranger school We do the same thing for eib and it's been that way for a while We've got some work to do I think a reasonable expectation is about six months My goal is to have what is this going to look like? And it will probably be different for each badge So, um Oh my goodness. We need to be comfortable with that an infantry soldier You know, I want you to score higher in your physical fitness than someone else I just want to I want to be clear on that right now. So, uh, But what is that going to look like if you're going for your expert, uh infantry badge? Again, my goal is to have that set by octo A trade ox is supporting your goal sma. I had that conversation with some and ricks today So, yeah, there we go. Uh, he owns it right there by the way, um, especially the expert soldier bags It goes through cmt expert infantry rads goes all the way down to Uh, poor betting an expert medical bags otse and a lot of it's under Trade out. So I just go to one. I got one source. It's called the training in doctrine command So go ahead. Thanks, sir. All right. Yes, mayor. Next question is from social media on reddit It says the army had me as an nco getting in front of my soldiers for the last few years And let every soldier know the army is gender and age neutral on physical fitness now Every leader in the army male or female would be held to the same standard Now that's thrown out. We don't even have the same minimums and I have to be fine with it If I would have been fine with it if we had kept the same minimums Because then I could at least explain to my soldiers That this is the minimum level of fitness for a soldier. What am I supposed to tell my soldiers now? Um, take the htft So it's a I know Um, that's kind of how this works. Um, you're gonna walk out. You're gonna say, okay Take the htft do it and and and live and be free and This is what it is. It's a general fitness test Okay There are other tests that we could implement and we already have that are Age and gender neutral already talked about one. So pat are I talked about another one too, right, which was Ranger school and I told you where we're going with expert badges. Okay, which is already there There are a lot of things that we already do that are age and gender neutral and that's not going to change But when we went to a general fitness test And we don't want to disadvantage any groups in the united states army It's very comfortable that and what you tell your soldiers is go out and take the htft and when you score 600 You know give yourself a pat on the back if you don't like that score go to the highest standard of 600 Okay, the goal is to make us more fit It's taken us 40 years to finally change the pts We have done it. We've had three failed attempts at that um They came with a recommendation and we followed it and we have a better test than we had before And I I've also been the same one that said that and and guess what the rucksack still is age and gender neutral And you do have to take a physical fitness test So there are still a lot of things that are age and gender neutral the how it's around the rucksack So there there are still things out there on a general physical fitness test It's going to be gender norm and that's what the army has told us to do and that's what i'm telling you to do And guess what move out and draw a fire That's just kind of how we are, you know, hey, you know, sometimes you go. Hey, I want to extend one one and And I want you to stay in europe You go, well, I don't like that. I go. Okay. I appreciate it I don't like it either, but this is what the army in the nation is asking to do This is what we're telling you to do so I really appreciate your question Now go execute a plank and do the uh, do the a cft. Thank you. Thank you. Yes, ma'am. Our next question comes all the way from these bottom germany Sorry, ma'am the army brenton. I am dj. Oz also known as sergeant austin baker here at a fn v spot And I have a question So I want to know how will the promotion point scale be affected by the a cft Since the apft was on a 300 point scale Okay, for those that didn't hear the question all the way from Uh, star renewers phone from we's bud and uh as he comes in so how will the promotion points Scale be affected because it was a 300 point scale now It's going to be 360 and you know now all of a sudden now you don't get max points. I promise you that It's going to be a 600 point scale. Um And if you if you weren't real familiar with the old uh promotion points system But let's do a test. How many promotion points did you get for if you max the apft under the uh, the old scale Does anybody know you should know You're a sergeant you fell underneath that program. So what was it? Okay, it was 180 promotion points Okay, so we're gonna change we are gonna change the scale The top is going to be 600. Um We're probably not going to leave it at 180 promotion points So when we talked about this a lot was moving down to some number that was about A quarter of your grade. It was all on physical fitness And I love physical fitness Good every day by sundays, but I think we were weighting the scale So We're looking at changing the scale down Maybe go to about 100 promotion points and then you know what I want to focus in on are getting you to those expert badges Right because I think if you know physical fitness is great, but you know what's even better You're really good with your rifle So I don't have to I don't have to physically overcome you because I could just shoot you right? Yeah, I'm good with it. Maybe you are I don't know so But this so don't confuse when I say we may go a little off of physical fitness Um, I'm not going to put all those points to college education I want to be very clear on that it's going to be in your warrior tasks expert soldiers rifle marksmanship Ranger tab So I'm looking at those skills as a soldier and increasing that Um, and that's where some of those promotion points are going to go 600 and don't quote me because we haven't actually got but right now it's about 120 We'll take it down a little bit from 180 to about 120 when you score 600 It'll be graduated, you know minimum here top here You're going to get you know 120 120 promotion points you get 600 you'll get those points And that's kind of what we're looking at. We so we're going to take it down a little bit And then we're going to increase when you get those badges Um, believe it or not like a combat infantry badge may be worth 30 points and the expert infantry badge Maybe worth 60 points And the back row is like yes our rager So same thing combat action badge 30 points expert soldier badge 60 points So a special in your skill. So that's where we're going for promotion points That'll be one april 23 it may change. So if you walk out here to sides, what we're doing Okay, I got it. I got the right to kind of massage that biannual board. I get to look at okay But that's where we're going right now. Thank you for the question sir. Anything I missed probably like no Okay, good. You nailed it. Thanks, sir Just do a check on learning All right, it's the man I'd like to come back here in the room So if you do have a question here in the room if you just raise your hand Uh, and so because I did kind of spring that on them. Um, I guess if they're anybody in the room with a question All right, great. Thank you I think there's a overflow room too Sir major first are not only three answer to your military police company I have several questions, but I'll just ask one. But we'll when will dtms Begin record keeping that we can actually see on a regular basis one october That's that's yeah, I know well Yeah, we we blanked it out, but so one october you can go in and say this you know Um diagnostic test is now valid and you can go put that into dtms So right now that's a good question. Maybe we have to go look and say why cannot open it up right now Okay, so And Down that's that's a man. That's cack. So I'll go uh, we'll carry that one Yeah, that matter of fact, I'm going to live worth tomorrow. So There may not be any harm in opening that up for you right now on like one april I don't know but that's a good question. We'll take that on us to do that Sir major also, um for those with a blank apft on our monthly reports, um right now They can either take another apft But the acft hasn't been an option Will the apft continue to be an option all the way through one october Or can they use both between now and one october the apft will not be an option zero We're going to stamp out the apft. We're going to do it. We're going to get it's going the only reason You will look at and think about anything for apft will only be If you're a specialist to go into the sergeant or a sergeant go into staff sergeant and everybody else You're it's done. It's over. We did it. We made it A cft. Yes All right, us mail give the room a few more minutes to think about a question Uh, we'll go to twitter and this says, uh, I know changes have just been implemented But are there any plans to implement a pt badge similar to the one we had for apft? Yes, um Yes We we are looking for a pt badge And one recommendation and we haven't completely vetted that is what does that look like? Well, I'll go back to what we said before is It's a little different. So maybe it's not like Uh, we used to say you get 90 points in each event, right? Remember, you know got 90 points. It's 270 You know, you're you're knocking that all apart One recommendation was what we said in 3.0 is like if you're at the top 1% of your gender your platinum And then and then we would snap the chalk line So what we said when we said that is we're not going to you know, do this every month, right? So cnt may be able to jump in on this is that cnt you can look at and go in and said, okay Here's who's at the top physical condition regardless of Um Let me get it right. So it would be by gender but not by age Well, we can say you're at the top 1% of all men and the women Men in the army you're the top 1% So that's one recommendation the other recommendation to just go 90 points in each event Why would we want to go to that top 1% does anybody know? Okay, it's like star major is waiting for you to tell me what to say. Okay, so it would be to actually Try to get us all trying to do better So don't take I got, you know You know 590 on the PT test. That's not good enough All right, the goal is to make us all better And if I say okay this year top 1% is You know 340 on deadlifts. I did my 1230 on my run. I did my sprint drag carry in 45 seconds So that Yeah, yeah, because we all do that, right? Okay. I got 75 push ups But then the whole army, you know It's looking at this score and say I got the top 1% but next year that top 1% may be higher And we're all trying to move that goal post Higher to get better fitness. We don't want to settle So that was that was some of the things, right? We we put out a scale. We got 300. We're like, I woke You know, I'm 50. I'm over 50. So I woke up 300 Good to go So If we we said each year we're gonna say hey, where are we at? You know the whole army will try to get better because we all want that top 1% in our In our gender, right? We all want to be at the top So how do we move that goal post? So that's one recommendation So we we got we're working on that but there will be an excellence badge We're looking at that But we've got two recommendations. We could I'll chime in to sma. Go ahead. Go ahead. Yeah, so It's something we are absolutely talking about in sma. He nailed it. It's exactly right And we do want to inspire folks to go to the next level, right? But what we don't really know yet is how folks are gonna score Given this new scoring system. So we got a that's new data force, right? So we've got it like you all need to go out there and give it your best and we'll have an idea of what this starts to look like And then we can talk about, you know, how we want to recognize excellence and inspire those to continue to continue to raise the bar Those kinds of results will also drive the governing body in time Whether to adjust the real step and determine whether or not we got the scale, you know, the way we want it The last thing so sma. I wanted to add is One of the things that we're looking at is an extended scale And this wouldn't be nothing that could go on in an evaluation or anywhere in your record But really it's for the school houses that are out there, right? So if you're the commandant at the armor school, for example And you're trying to determine who the pt stud or stud at is or you name, you know, what whatever pme course We know folks are going to go beyond 600 So where do they, you know, where where how do we measure it? And then we would say, okay Here's your little trophy. Here's your little award. Now you were the pt the winner Okay Yes sorry major staff sergeants from the 601st career counselors Kind of bouncing off of what first sergeant asked you previously but first soldiers coming into their reenlistment window and wanting to reenlist for assignments or schools that are after 1 october Can they start 1 april using the acft as their Because right now we don't use the apft unless it's just a passing can the soldiers start using the acft in order to For their record basically for their srbs In order to i'm so confused by your question So yes On 1 april 1 october you can it will be on your srb If that's your question It's it's more so for soldiers that are trying to reenlist for schools or for assignments after 1 october Currently have like the apft or something starting 1 april can they use the acft instead for their Reenlistment window requirements 1 april. Yes 1 october. Yes So sooner than 1 april. I'm sorry. You mean 1 april this year wrong. Okay. Use the acft For reenlistment or extension. No, you're good There's no change so if If you you know if you you shouldn't be in the army right now if you failed the apft I just want to be really clear on this so two years ago. We said If you have not passed the apft You have you are still flagged and if you've been flagged for two years, you're still in the army. I'm a little confused But we said this go back and read the x-word around june of 2020 Sometime after that point we said if you don't have a valid apft you have to pass the apft Okay, let's be clear. So that's that's still valid And so if you somehow dodged that for you know a long time, it's a little confusing. So We said you got the you passed if you have not passed an apft Um, and you don't have an apft in your records You're in good standing in the army and you should be reenlist or extension I don't need to go back and check that right if for some reason you have not passed the apft I will question of why you're still in the army Okay, so one october You know reenlist and extend you're good to go But in from now one april meeting seven days from now not april 23 If for some reason you haven't passed the apft Um, send me the first sergeant's name Okay, so uh Um, because I I'll be really confused on that one But that that would still be the rule right if you haven't have a valid apft score after two years I'm a little confused on that That would still play out. So if you haven't if you have no record because you've never taken an apft That's fine. You should still be able to reenlist and extend all the way to october Okay, I hope I answered your question and um, I hope I got that right. Okay. Yes, ma'am from facebook Zach johnson wants to talk about equipment not just equipment in Guard and reserve but also active duty for recruiters who may be in uh, kind of remote and isolated places And rotc as well and so general client. I know that cimt has done a lot of work But as ma'am, uh, what are your thoughts on it? Yeah, I get the question a lot about equipment and um I'm going to ask you all. What do you think is the most failed event on the acft? What do you think? brain-drag carry no The deadlift Absolutely not the most past event is the max deadlift Hand-release push-ups. No Well, we got six guesses I think we you know the two of all run Hey everybody star major. I need more equipment. I need more equipment the most failed event is the Two mile run Start with that Go get some equipment called running shoes Go outside start running um So yes, I get this a lot, but here's another thing what happened We all went through covet and we shut down like every gym in the united states army To include those physical things outside and why do I think this is actually good for us because we didn't have any equipment I'm hoping you were doing some physical fitness and guess what let me tell you what I'm gonna tell you this is a lecture something I'm gonna help you out right do this exercise It will help you with the standing power throw when I I don't throw it too far But it'll help you with all this do like this. You hear come up You knew a bunch of those and let me tell you how that feels Okay, it's called the standing power jump and it is brutal right my team. They love it You know a lot of those Okay, so not everybody in the whole army is going to have all the acf equipment right there in your backyard And what's new and it shouldn't be new to anybody in here You all don't have all that equipment right there in your backyard and your active component, right? We have Training plans that will help you do body weight exercise that are really good For the army fitness tests the army combat fitness tests They're really good exercises. Um, is jill clon doing uh standing power jumps. Oh, he's got the manual. Okay, so jill clon over to you Yeah, no, thanks awesome segue and you had me with buy run and shoes get out there and run Absolutely, that is the most failed event. The second one was the the leg tuck. So look we did your favor You don't have to worry about that one um, but right so atp 7 dash 22 dot 0 2 holistic health and fitness drills and exercises A really good book that the team put together complete with pictures and everything on how to do exercises will get you well on your way and You know, I'm embarrassed to even provide the actual, uh, numeracy of answer But 40 000 sets were bought of equipment out there. The nsns are available Um, there it's what's been determined that there is a lane out there for every 25 soldiers in the army Regardless of compo actually compo two and compo three have more Sets of equipment per per individual soldier But talk to your master fitness trainers if they were trained since 2019 They've been trained on acft and they can really help you out And if you're not getting what you want out of mft, I own that course as well I need to know about it and I can we can do better and coincidentally We used to produce about 800 something. Uh, I think it was like 830 mfts a year And we are doubling that this month and so we will be able to educate 1600 a year Starting now Sir, thank you. And the good news about that if you send him a note If you sent the schoolhouse a note and I did this I got it. I'm the star major army So, um, I did I said, hey, here's what I'm struggling with I said, this is the event. Um, my weakest event actually is the standing power throw And they said, hey, do the standing power jump. That's the Great body weight exercise and then tell me go buy a ball and said do this exercise And that will help you increase your standing power throw. That's why I know that exercise It's not because I made it up all on my own. I said, here's the event. What do you recommend to do? And it's also in the manual, but I just sent him a note and they sent me a plan And that's what your master fitness trainers can do. Well, here's another thing. We're trying to do too We're trying to change again with trade auger trying to change, uh, the basic leader course um My goal is not to get you graduate from the basic leader course And you're an expert at doing the extended rectangular formation. That's awesome. You should get that in your unit The goal is that you will pass the nationally accredited tactical strength and conditioning and facilitator course and every nco will have the ability to be a license And credited from a nationally recognized organization The tax in other words, you could actually literally get out of the army and get a job As a tactical strength and conditioning facilitator that is a national accreditation And that's our goal is to get that in the basic leader course. So every sergeant in the united states army has that accreditation Instead of You know, so that's where we're doing some revolutionary changes on that and how we can give you an individual plan And let's go back to the whole ranch study We and going back to what you're saying first sergeant. I have to know what you're scoring I have to look at that in order to give you an individual plan And that's what the whole army had not had the capability to do That's why we have to make it a test of record to get it. You better. Okay, sir. Thank you for that That's to me our last question comes from instagram and uh, this is one that always proceeds the the a cft questions that we get in forums Do you have an update on the study into the revisions on ar 600-9? No, no, okay yes, um So We try to put these two in the same box. They're not they're really a little bit separate So there was a do di change the department of defense came out with a new They really didn't say anything really revolutionary. It's like, okay services You know, you can look at, you know body composition I was like, okay. We've been looking at body composition for a long time. Um, so Maybe about two years ago three years ago. I got a lot of questions on body composition and it always tied to this same forum So about two years ago I brought in the person that actually did the last study actually still worked for the army Still worked at usaria and was a person named dr. Friedel and we had about a two or three hour session about body composition Bless you and I come up. He convinced me is that okay the last study done in 2001 There's time to go look at it again So we put the things in motion and talked to the trade-off and my counterpart cit Again on body composition and we started the study that started in october um, and we went to fort grad and We did an outbreak, but we're not finished yet We didn't have all the demographics that we wanted So a lot of people said sorry major you didn't have this or that in your study and everybody accused it of being a bad study You you serium the people that did the study. They were not very happy with those comments. Um But we went back and we're doing again And I wanted to make sure that we got all the demographics that we needed we did different shapes We need actually different ages. We need men. We need women. We need old young 1950 so When the studies come out where we did on in october, I didn't get the complete demographics of what we were asking for So we're still working on The study so we did an outbreak Where we were at in december, but i'm not ready to go forward until we look at the full body So right now I think in march of this year. They're looking at more demographics in for lee And we may need to go somewhere else. We did a little bit more funding We have the funding now and i'm hopeful to get that packaged up and do an out brief on something Uh in october, but it just depends on what the study says Uh, so we have a preliminary decision. Actually, there's no decisions. It was a preliminary report But we're not finished yet and we needed some time to get the groups that we're asking for Um, some of the groups we needed we didn't have enough hispanics We didn't have enough asian pacific islander. So I don't want to come out and go. Well, what about this group? It's not fair Uh to this group. So we're really cautious on here's the demographics of what's in the army in america And then did we get that group on the body composition? And One thing we also did is i'll tell you we doubled the amount for women So 18 of the army 16 17 18 of the army is women. So we said we want 36 So the the group 65 will be men And all races backgrounds where you come from and we kind of increased women to see what's The vans are the disadvantages for that group and that will not be ready for prime time and we looked at acft But we also need those we need that data too So when you come into the study, they're going to ask you what is your acft score and we document that So if we were to go to something and says well, if you score You score 600 do I need to do? Do we need do we need body composition for a person that scores 600? Probably not. So um, but maybe we do. I don't know That's what the second piece of that the study needs to help us look at What is what does this test do? So not only do we need your scores on the acft and we also need you to do the study We've had people drive from one location to the other to do the study You're more than welcome to you might not like the results right So, um, I shared my results with the whole army at some point because I told them and then they reported on it So I was like, well, that's not how I saw that going. I was starting to use that example But so our major armies grinsons body fat was this it was great. You see that in the news. So So one scale said, you know, I had, you know, some percentage so they do all kinds of we bring uh, there are four Measurements that we do you a dexa. It's a dual x-ray. I can't remember the the middle word x-ray They scan the whole body and it is the gold standard on how you do lean muscle mass bone density And then it's an x-ray of your body. That's the best you can find Um, that I've found any expert says that's the best scan of body weight Um, uh of lean muscle mass because we want lean muscle mass second one is um The electrodes it sends an electrode throughout your body and it gives you a score and the Believe it or not the one I really don't like is just scan your body That was my highest by the way and it's like, okay, you go there. They just scan you and you go Okay, based off this and your height. This is what your body fat is. Um, that one was like 17 for me I'm like, oh, that's terrible. Um, you know, my most lenient weight one for me was The tape test So the scan said 17 the tape had 11. It was the lowest body fat of all the scans So I will cost you also. Um, that was not true for everybody, by the way I'm just telling you what it was for me So some groups we found it was Maybe not exact opposite, but depending on the machine Um, your body fat was actually less in a scanner than it was for the tape and that's what we got to work on So I'm not ready to tell you what we're doing yet because we got a lot of work to do But for some of you you may not like what you get So so for me, uh, I was one of those. I like I like 11. I didn't like 17 Um, so we got we got some work to do And and that's kind of where we're at my goal is to get some out by octo Okay, but we may need more time But we're we're almost there. We got all the money we need. We're doing this. Okay Sir anything to add on a body composition? Now you nailed it Did the funny thing about the scanner so I did it as well But the funny thing about that dexa scanner that the sma is talking about you may not realize this But you actually have fat behind your eyeballs. All right, so it's going to add that in there as well The tape is not all that bad, but yeah, we did get some mixed reviews out there a sma we got One more location. I think we're looking at we did fort lee already We've got one more and I think we'll be good to go to wrap that one up And I'm glad you covered that one sma because The facebook's lighting up like crazy all about the army body composition So I think you you have suppressed the target on a cft Yeah, okay So, uh, thanks Anything else we're good. I'm closing this out. Let's do it. Okay. Let's do it. Um Kind of good. I'm gonna close was where I started with, you know, we've asked you all to do a lot I know Probably for last hour hour and a half or how long we've been here. We're talked about the hft This is all about being a ready force when our nascent calls Do you to go do something? Believe it or not The president doesn't say sir major are you fit? They don't And when they say hey go do covet they don't say hey, it just says hey we need you to go here and we need you to go now um So whatever we do We just to keep that right there in the in front of us and say we have to be ready for whatever the nation calls And this is a good forum that we talked about because guess what when you step off the plane Normally wherever you're at Across the globe You're going to be at the peak physical condition that you will be at for that deployment most of the time You know, you know In other words, you come off that plane with that physical fitness that you have You might be better with your weapon over time You might be a lot better with your tactics in combat But that physical fitness you can't go hey, you know, I really wish I would have run just a tad bit more When I come off the plane It's probably not the time when you're taking that, you know, injured soldier is like man I wish I'd done that sprint direct carry a little bit because my buddy needs to get over here to the age station So when you think about those PT sessions and you get in there and you're doing this you're thinking about fitness Fitness matters and when your nation calls you got to be ready And we're going to do what we've always said and you're like, okay. I'm ready to go And that's what we expect you. I am extremely proud of you I'm extremely proud to be your star major of the army And I'm extremely proud to be a former big red one soldier. So thank you. Appreciate it. Thanks everyone Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's presentation. Thank you very much to the first infantry division and everyone who tuned in online Have a great day