 Welcome to the podcast World on the Move, which is a special programme for the UN Summit and Refugees and beyond that. We've got refugees and migrants from all around the world. They have fascinating stories and they're going to speak for themselves. We're going to hear directly from them about issues that really pertain to their lives, be it xenophobia, be it hate speech, be it finding a job, making a new life and a new culture. But first now let's hear from our guests. I'm in Estonia, a country which is really like somehow small, 1.5 million like a population. People heard about refugees coming here, so they were freaked out. People, I was the first Syrian that they would see. They were like, oh, that's how they look like. They only see Syrians on TV. They see them on boats. They see them in groups. We have like Facebook, we have Twitter. We have many ways that news are going around so fast. I open a video and I see like some ugly thing and it's linked with Syria to me. I need to understand what those people fears. The South African diaspora is very fragmented, very different and therefore different reasons. In Argentina, for instance, it's not the people who have gone to work for investment banks in London. It's people who have moved from bankruptcy and farming in South Africa to a place of fertile land with easy visa requirements. I've been really privileged to live in Houston, Texas, which has the most refugees in the United States. Once you provide that platform for connectivity, once you kind of make people realize indirectly that we're really united by our differences as much as we are by our similarities, that's when, you know, that's when real dialogue happens. As everybody knows that Syrians are everywhere now because of the problem what we have. So I'm trying my best, whatever I could, with the languages, with presenting, with whatever is to help my Syrians. Whether I'm in Lebanon, in Iraq, or in the States here, or Canada, there is that sort of empowerment that we seek from one another. A lot of people have had a successful journey of diaspora, while others are still stuck on borders. And these people do need to, you know, to connect with people who have done the journey from statelessness to citizenship or from statelessness to finding a home. I think when you're in Europe, at least for us, it's harder because there's a very strong stereotype about who we are and what we do. We are usually portrayed as being gypsies and thiefs, and, well, a lot of people leave Romania because there aren't any jobs there. So they end up going to Spain, Italy, or the UK. So of course, living in Spain for a year for my masters, I did encounter that on a daily basis. What I was saying in my profile is that because I'm here, nobody really knows what Romania is all about and where I come from, which is really great because I don't have to defend myself on a daily basis and have to prove myself to people that I am good enough, that I'm not a gypsy, that I'm not a thief, that I won't steal your bag, that I will pay my bill at the end of the day. It doesn't bother me as much as it used to. But at the same time, you think that we've reached that point in society and civilized civilization where people stopped doing it and stopped thinking it was okay to do it, if it makes any sense. I totally agree with Monika. Me living here in Europe, I think the most obvious obstacle that migrants are facing is the stereotypes. And the problem with stereotypes is that that is the first step to stigmatization and stigmatization at the same time is the first step of discrimination. And the problem is that in Europe we have seen that these steps have led to legal status, these discriminations. It's been really tough past four and a half years to integrate in a community like the Kenyan community, in an African community, the Congolese living in Kenya. It's a community, we have a problem because of the image we receive from a perspective of the other countries. They take us who are not intelligent because we are a rich country but we're being manipulated but we're all fleeing our countries on a daily basis. So it's so traumatizing to live that life. The protection of migrant people, the protection guaranteed in a country like this, in a country where the community just don't want migrants and to be precise refugees. I see a huge disparity and a huge gap between the Fijian community in Fiji and the Fijian community in the States. I could see it even within my parents' generational gap. For me and my generation has been even more difficult. One, because there's not many Fijians in California specifically. And two, just because a lot of the traditions and cultures have been left behind at home once you are moving to a country such as the U.S. I would definitely love to be more involved in my community back home but I think that there is a facet that is missing within the community in Fiji. What I came to learn, whether it was with my previous job experience or my current studies is actually the importance of the media and how the media is formulating and twisting ideas and images in the minds of the audience. Whenever they are tying the issue of Islam or the Islamic state to terrorism and identifying and categorizing these attackers in a sense, the media is really playing a huge role in creating wider and deeper notions of xenophobia. Yeah, I think something that we might not as touched as we should is the area of refugee camps. Those are the most needy part of the society. Their story needs to be heard and there are so many refugee camps around the world starting from Canada, the biggest one of circumvention, to places even in Australia, in Central Ireland to the Calais migrant in between England and France. And even on the border of Mexico and the United States, we have so many migrants without the Europeans. There is a huge thing happening right now that young people are living in the country in massive waves due to country conditions. I am one of them because of human rights violations, which is known to be to the world right now. We live in big numbers, but those stories need to come up so that the world could assist in plagiarizing government to do more towards democratizing their country. And hence, in that regard, we're creating a solution of a decent migration outflow. The world is getting smaller and smaller, hence people more easily, like in the European Union, it's easy to work from one country to another country to move from one country to another country. What shouldn't it be from one continent to another continent? It should be okay for people to migrate. It should be okay for us to be from anywhere. Mera, you make some very interesting observations and you've actually prompted me to say a few things here. Somali communities, refugees have been living in refugee camps for generations. And the Somali diaspora abroad have actually become quite concerned about this situation. And they are becoming effective lobbyists to ensure that Somali refugees can break out of this vicious cycle of just living in refugee camps. It's important that diaspora communities get together and you as young people can make a difference in terms of lobbying. Remember, the governments have made a commitment in the Sustainable Development Goals for the next 30 years to ensure migration is safe, responsible, orderly, but those words will remain empty unless they receive effective pushing from people like yourselves. And with that, I'd like to say thank you to all of you for the time that you've devoted to this very interesting discussion and hope to see you again online very soon.