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Hey, guys, this is Matt Beck from FreeSalonEducation.com here with Splitting Hares episode 73. What? What's up? Someone didn't mute. Is it you? Who didn't mute? Oh, you know, it's coming through the computer. The tube. There we go. My bad. I was on it this week. I was ready. All right, guys, thank you for tuning in. Everyone that's chatting live. It's awesome. There's so many people every week gaining, watching the live show. So thank you guys for tuning in. We have Aaron Johnson, the winner of the Hair Brain Video Awards via Skype right now. Nice. And I've said like 15 times already. So we're going to talk to him. I'm excited to talk to him. I got to meet him in New York City a few weeks ago. And he's just a really cool guy. So I'm glad that he's on here. Let's see. What else we got? Thank you to Minerva, beauty.com, Millennium Systems International. Who else we got? DemandForce.com slash FreeSalonEducation. I just made a video with those guys to showcase one of the things that that company does. But it's just awesome. So we have them. I'm headed to ABS to be with Millennium this week. And I was going to say, is that this week already? Yeah, it's this weekend. Huge lineup of interviews, by the way. Yeah, we have so jealous. Yeah. So we have Ivan Zoot, the barber guy, which is going to be hilarious because he's just a funny guy and has a lot of energy. So I'm excited to talk to him. Josh XO. We have Beth Minority. We have Tabitha Coffee. We have Sam Villa. So all these people are going to sit down at the booth and we're going to chat and just have fun. Can we FaceTime while you're interviewing them so that I can be there? Yeah, I'll just set you up on an iPad. On my own chair. Yeah, an iPad. We'll Fijian. So a little pillow person. What I want to do right now is let's just get straight to, let me see if I can pull up Aaron Johnson here. Aaron. Aaron. By the way, I can't hear anything in here. And Aaron is at work. So we got to talk to him and then and then let him get to work. Right? You have nothing? Really? No, I'm kidding. It would be fun. Well, let me fix you. Hang on. So hang on. Let's talk to you. I don't know why it wouldn't work. So screw it then. I'm fine. Yeah, I don't know. You know what? There might be a button you have to push down there, Brian. Do you want to figure it out? No. Okay. All right. So I'll ruin the show. So Aaron, can you hear us? All right, let me see. Oh, I can hear him through that. That's fine. Well, that's not good. That's not where we want to hear him. Okay, Aaron, can you talk again? Yeah, I can hear you. There we go. All right. So, Aaron, congratulations on your win at the Hair Brain Video Awards. Can you tell your story real quick? First off, where are you right now? Also, Oklahoma, I work at Paul Mitchell School. Okay. The cutting specialist here. And so we start at nine minutes. That's three minutes. It's a night. Yeah. So we don't want to keep anybody waiting. So you, your story is kind of cool, though, because you put out a video for the Hair Brain Video Awards last year, right? You were nominated. And then this year, something happened. You changed up everything. You started really focusing on it. So just if you want to tell that story real quick, that'd be cool. Okay. Yeah, I got nominated for a video in the first one in the lo-fi category for a haircut that I did on this girl named Jessica. We were just a bunch of our friends were hanging out at my house and just kind of drinking and having a good time. And she had long hair, and so she wanted a haircut. And so we're just not fully drunk, but partially drinking and decided to give her a little bob. And my buddy Aaron just filmed it on my cell phone because I thought it would be funny. So I just threw it up on Hair Brain and it got nominated. And I didn't really intend for anything to happen with it. And so that was cool. And, you know, I didn't, I didn't win. And I remember, I remember going to the awards show the first year and then wondering, like, thinking that it would be cool to win, but I wasn't really expecting it or anything. And then when I didn't, I got really like bummed out that I didn't. Right. So I just decided that, you know, if I was going to try to put out content that I should, that I should put a little bit more thought into it. And so I teamed up with this guy named Tom, a photographer, videographer from here in Tulsa. I just found him on Instagram from like a hashtag because there's a, there's a tech center here that teaches like, you know, photography and video stuff like that. Okay. And then we just started kind of collaborating on, on these ideas. And I wanted to, I don't know, like I feel like there's a lot of people that we're doing instructional stuff for kind of behind the scenes things like that. And I really wanted to kind of incorporate a little bit more storytelling into the videos just to kind of do something different. Yeah. And I don't think I went into it with the intention of winning an award. It was just, you know, kind of like I wanted to try a new avenue to kind of show off the craft. Right. And you know, and that was, that was the way that it went. And we put out like 10 of these short films this year. You know, they're all story based. The incredibly shot. I give a ton of credit to Tom. Like he makes, he makes me look really cool. Well, I mean, yeah, they're, they're like the way that it tells a story. It's like at the beginning, you don't even think it's a haircutting video. And it just, it's, they're really emotional. You know, and that's, it's, I think a lot of people connect to it. And you didn't win just one award, right? You won a couple things, didn't you? Yeah, I won the, I won my category, the even further category, which is kind of the avant garde category. And then the winner from each category at the awards gets put into a, like a another category for video of the year. Right. So then they picked the top video from all of the winners. And that's, that's the one that I got. Yeah. So you took it home. Well, congratulations. And you, you have a new project going. So let's talk about that for a second because it's really, really cool. Yeah. So Tom and I were talking even before the award show, you know, about what we were going to do in the next year because, you know, I think the videos that we did were are awesome. And I think we'll still continue to do those, but we didn't want to get pigeon-holed into this, like, you know, the dark guys that like, you know, do weird shit. And so, like we, we think there's a lot of really cool stories out there to tell in this industry. And so what we want to do is, we're going to, we're not want to do what we're going to do is we're going to be going into salons and offering, I'm going to be offering, you know, pretty like, like incredible hair cutting education, a full day of hair cutting, you know, education theory, demo hands on stuff like that. And then Tom's going to come with me. He's going to film the class. He's going to create a little documentary about the salon. He's going to tell their story, their history, profile of the city that they live in, if they do any charitable work, things like that, and really just, really kind of showcase them. And the salons can use that for, you know, promotional material. They can just have a cool documentary about their, about their salon, about their team. Yeah. And we kind of leave it in their hands is how they want to do it. If they want a profile specific stylist, or if they want to do the entire salon or, or whatever, or if they want to just collaborate on collections and stuff like that, then we'll come in and help them with that. Tom's also going to help. He's very, very good at, you know, at photography. I think he's even a better photographer than you, a video guy. And so he's going to be teaching them how to photograph their work best, how to present it on social media, and stuff like that. So I think it's a, it adds a lot of value to it. Not only just are you coming in and getting, you know, really good hair cutting education from it, but you're going to get a tangible product that you can, right. So, and that's called, and it's called collective salon education. Okay. It's literally brand new. We just decided to do this, like, you know, maybe like a month ago. And so it doesn't really, it doesn't really up yet. So there'll be a website for it and everything. Yeah, we'll create a website. And within the website there will live, you know, the, you know, any of the documentaries that we film on the, the salons will be kind of compiled under this collective EP. Okay. And the videos that we do will also be on there kind of under the collective LP, doing this kind of music thing with it, because that's really where we get a lot of our inspiration from. Right. So tell me real quick before you run off to class. So you have a, you're a teacher at the school, you've worked with Paul Mitchell, right? For? Yeah, I, I started my career like 12 years ago and I worked for Robert Cromings in his Tulsa Salon for a good majority of that. And then I also opened up his walk-in salon in San Diego and Las Vegas. Okay. And then just made the decision. I always wanted to be an educator and like just, just teach. And it just was never the right time. And then they opened the school here in Tulsa and that's where I was from. So I figured, you know, go back home and kind of do that. Nice. Okay. So and you just had, besides the Hair Brain Video Awards at IBS in New York, you had a pretty big weekend. I mean, you were up on stage quite a bit. You taught at the teach-in, right? The Hair Brain teach-in. And you also were up on stage with Tracy, I believe, too, right? Yeah. So tell me what that's like. So you, you know, you've done a lot in your career already. How long have you been a hairdresser now? 12 years. 12 years. So in 12 years, you've helped open salons, you've taught at schools, and now this weekend you win the awards and you're up on stage with some of the best people there is. You're a talented guy. So what do you think giving advice to students or even the students that you teach now, what do you say to them to, you know, help them get to that point? Okay. Well, it's kind of a cool story how I got to do teach-in. They announced the one at the ISSC show. Okay. That they did. And so, and I remember seeing something that Gerard from Hair Brain posted saying they were going to do one in New York and I knew it was going to go for the awards show. So I just sent him an email and I was like, Hey man, like, I think this this idea that you're doing this Hair Brain teach-in thing is amazing. And I was like, anything I can do to be involved like I'd love to. I was like, if you guys need people to hold hair, wash shampoo, like run, get coffee. I was like, I just want to, you know, I just want to be around. Be a part, yeah. Yeah. And he emailed me back directly and was like, yeah, we'd love to have you involved. I'll keep you posted. And I kind of just forgot about it. Right. And then, you know, after they announced the awards show and stuff like that and they started announcing, you know, like the date for the teach-in, I got an email and he was like, hey, we'd love for you to, you know, to be a part of it. I was like, wow, that's a huge honor. And then through that, I got a text message from DJ like four days before. And he was like, hey, mate, you're going to cut hair with me and Tracy on stage. And I'm so, I'm like shitting my pants. Right. Yeah. I mean, I've worked with DJ a ton and I still kind of get intimidated doing that with them. But when you, you know, when you add in Tracy Sackus, that's just, it's, it's, yeah, the experience. You know, there's people that worked for Sassoon for years that have never had that privilege, you know what I mean? And so I took that very, very, like seriously and wanted to honor that because I knew it was such a, like a great opportunity. And she was the sweetest, like, she was the sweetest lady. She popped over a couple of times during when we were cutting and was like, that looks really nice, Aaron. And I'm just like, I'm so scared. Well, that's awesome. So I mean, I think, I think advice, you know, would be, I think there's that saying that clothes, the clothes not, you know, doesn't get fed, you know what I mean? And so I, I think I just put myself out there in that situation and asked not even intending for it to be, you know, that and then, you know, that was the opportunity I was given. So I think you just have to ask for things. If you want to do something, you just got to kind of ask and do it, you know, show up to everything. Sometimes you got to, sometimes you just got to show up and help out. And once you show that you're valuable, then, then they like to bring you around more. Yeah, I think when people, people that don't know who you are and haven't seen your videos, when they watch your video, they're going to think this guy's super talented and that you wouldn't ask, you wouldn't be saying, sending an email saying, you know, I'll shampoo, but that's what people need to understand. Like you, you just have to post that email. I mean, there's a lot of things like this weekend at ABS, you know, a lot of these people that I'm sitting down with, I didn't think that they would say yes, you know, but you don't know unless you send an email and ask, you know. So this industry is cool and you have done so much and I'm super happy to have met you a few weeks ago and I'm excited for the things that you're, you're going to do in the future. How can people follow you? I know that you're on Instagram and stuff. Yeah, really Instagram is my, is my only social media outlet. I'm not big on Facebook ever since my mom got one. So, but yeah, you can follow me on Instagram. It's just the Aaron Johnson. And yeah, I love Instagram. I was having, we had this, you know, this kind of whirlwind of like weekend in New York and my, my follower count went up because of Hairbrain doing all this stuff. And like I social media is cool. And if anybody's out there like wondering how to, how to like, you know, run their Instagram the correct way. I think not only do you put out great content, but you have to interact with people. And like I try to make a point to, you know, always reply to somebody if they have something nice to say, you know what I mean? Like I always like check out somebody else's work and stuff because I don't know, like I don't want to, I'm not a rock star and I don't want to be that way. Like I just, I like our industry and I like people. So I think it's, I think it's, I think it's cool to be able to connect like that. I met a lot of really great people like, you know, you and like the people that we hung out with in New York all through, through social media stuff. So it's a cool, it's a cool tool. But yeah, please give me a follow. Okay. All right. So the Aaron Johnson, I'm going to post the link afterwards to the video that you won with. I wasn't sure what the music copyright and everything and plus with your timing and stuff. But I'm going to post a link so those of you that are watching and you want to see Aaron's video, it's awesome. So you'll just check the link below later on. And we'll post it up and show people what you're doing. All right. Well, Aaron, thank you so much for coming on. I know it, you know, you got stuff to do. So enjoy your day and we'll definitely catch up with you soon. Are you going to be at ABS or anything? No, I don't have any plans to do right now. I think the next show that I'll be at will probably be IBS Vegas. Okay. Maybe piling around with with DJ and the factory team, but I'm not sure. Okay. We'll see what happens. All right, cool. Well, definitely it was great talking to you and we will talk to you soon. All right. I see you. All right, Aaron. Thank you. Bye. Bye. All right. So that's Aaron Johnson. That was cool. He's cool. Yeah. He's a he's a super down-to-earth guy, but he creates like some of the I know his work is insane. He's like, oh, you're a normal guy. That's nice. I mean, the sinking video, we watched it when we had our meeting in New York and they just played it. And it was like, you know, it's this this girl. The whole thing is like, it's a film, you know, like it's it's a story and you get like almost like sad and then you're like and then all of a sudden he starts cutting hair and you're like, so it's like this girl that's like really depressed and then it goes through this whole thing and then I think I think it was like him. He was like her boyfriend or something and maybe he had passed away. So it was kind of like he was like the ghost and she was really depressed and then and then he kind of comes in and cuts her hair and makes her over and and then it's like kind of happier at the end. So it's just it's a really cool video from what I remember of it and it's just so you guys can see it with the link below. We'll move on with the show. We have Rachel Rebecca for a while. I always want to say Rachel. It's just in my mind. There you go. But we have Rebecca from Heff the Hairstylist Education Forum. There's an interview with her at the end of the show. So stay tuned for that. We have the freewheel that we're going to spin. So let's get into feedback from last week and then we'll move along. OK. All right. So looking at last week we've got some of our old faves. Guru Dan Wenz says your IBS footage was awesome. Justin Sears was so on point at the show. Is it black with steel ombre? I bet brown to be coloring that blonde soon. And happy birthday, Matt. Thank you. For the distance last time. Yes. No. Justin Sears is not quite an ombre. Nope. It's not an ombre. It's light up front and dark in the back. It's kind of like just blocked out in the front. That's pretty much it. He has a hat on today. So we're just going to take our word for it. Yeah. Looks good. And it's not black. It's like a nice nice dark brown. It's Wicked Dac. Wicked Dac. We've actually switched Justin over to my haircut. Yeah. Yeah. I had no. Yeah. All right. We got big ball of Mike. Says I spent most of my time taking classes but I did catch Matt and Snick snapped a quick pick as I was leaving. Maybe I'll catch the rest of you in the future. So that's cool. That was fun. I mean it was it's really cool to see like as this is growing and everything when we get to go to the shows and just interact with the people that follow and you know we got a lot of that at the show. So you know it's cool. It's a lot of fun. It felt weird to have been doing this for what maybe like five or six months and people are approaching me and like I knew. Doesn't matter. But what's funny like he hit on a little bit that you know with social media it's like you get to know these people without ever even meeting them. Yeah. So you see them and it's like oh hey well wait I never met you before. Hi. Think of yeah what's our names interview you did remember she said she's feel like she went on vacation with you because she's got candy. Yeah. Yeah. You're on. Yeah. Can't hear anything. There you go. There you are. Can you hear me. Get all up in it. Yeah. Something's wrong with with the headphones. I hear squarely noises in the background now. It doesn't matter. I was just gonna say Candy Shaw she said you know she felt like she's been on vacation with all of us. Yeah. I love it. Candy Shaw is so nice. Like we have the millennium experience coming up in June that we're going to and Christine was like Candy was like oh Christine you should come you should come and she's like you know we have our son and she's like well I'm bringing my 14 year old chicken babysit and you know it's just so she's just such a good person I love communicating with her and she's always you know posting on our stuff and it's it's nice to meet good people in this industry so. Yeah sweet. Tim Strong going off of what you were talking about with your clippers last week Justin says they love my wall cord with designer clippers had them almost a year and still going strong not doing 20 to 30 cuts a day but still. I got a chance to use those the other day and they're really nice. Yeah. Yeah. I think I found the weak point in them. Okay. I'm gonna discuss that on a whole video with the other ones but I mean I just I think it's gonna be like crazy coarse thick hair. Okay. I'll really give you a lines that the masters I think will otherwise get out a little better because they do cut quick the wall and binding but they're not it's still just a better pack. Yeah. Quite the power house that exactly that the wall is but that's what I said to you you have to go a little slower. Yeah. You can't you know quickly go through a haircut with them. But you know it is cool. I still enjoy using them. Yeah. They're very light and it's nice that you don't have a cord so you're just kind of working around the head you don't have to worry about that. Drive it in your pocket. Yeah. Whatever. All right. Love it. Let's see oh Danielle Green radically curly this was nice. Thanks for all the hard work that you put into FSC. It's because of you guys and one of my best friends I've been inspired to inspired to start a YouTube channel which was the final piece of my social reach. YouTube is intimidating but you guys make it look so easy. I watch every Wednesday morning at 6 30 from Vegas and even wait on you guys to get your coffee. Much love Danielle Green. Well thank you Danielle Green. So much love back to Danielle Green. Yeah we said this before but Wednesdays are kind of a long day. Like we start off doing this and then we do hair all day. You guys do hair all day and then we come back with FSC live tonight which is going to be with Brian but the coffee is an essential part of several what's happening. Yes. So and then we have what was I going to say oh with YouTube and it being easy YouTube really is easy and I think people like YouTube is easy it's the comfort in front of the camera that takes getting used to. Yeah you got to get used to that. And I think consistency with posting things and also just just creating videos of what you have. You know like you don't have to be super technical and I don't know what you're laughing about. Danielle Green that I just read her think she just OMGed on the chat she's watching right now. Nice. So say hi. So man I wish I was in Vegas right now. That would be nice. Except that it would be 6 30 in the morning. That's true but other than that seven. Yeah I was just going to say it would be a lot warmer. I didn't even know you could wake up at 6 30 in Vegas. I thought you could be up till 6 30. She's like still right. She's not. They actually don't sleep in Vegas. Are all vampires. No. No. So yeah. So just with YouTube if anybody out there is thinking about starting you know YouTube stuff. I think like my friend Adam Peterson he started a teacher's learn to kind of free education for teachers kind of thing based on watching the Fronos photo stuff and what we're doing and he you know he's he's trying to do his thing with because he's a teacher. Well he said um you know he he started posting videos. He did a little podcast at a teacher show which is like a hair show I guess and um they teacher conference. Teacher conference. Yeah. Convention. Conventions. Teachers aren't the only people that. No I know what I'm saying is I just can't imagine going to a teacher conference. Like I just feel like it's books. Yeah. Yeah. So teachers learn now with all the technology that we use. It's just like no I know. It's just like rulers and different kinds of chalk and the latest in erasers. I love teaching according to Brian. Yeah. I knew pencil sharpeners on the market. They also have different So I commend Adam for doing what he's doing and he you know he put up a a video and it you know it got a couple of views and that's like the whole thing of it. It starts off like the fact that we get all these cool people watching live now. We didn't have that 50 episodes ago. You know and now we get to interact with people. So it's just it grows but you're going to put out a video. You're going to get 10 views and that's just the way it is and then the more consistently you put them out the more traction you start to get with them. Right. You know and just focus on quality content. You know you can't just at first it's easy because you just you're putting out everything in your brain but once you get to you know a couple hundred videos you're like all right. What are we putting out. You know and bringing in other stylists as well as having you guys involved because if it was just me. I would have ran out of ideas at this point. So so tonight we have FSE live with Brian so make sure that you are tuning into that. It's going to be really fun. I'm excited. We're doing some color. So it's fun. Yeah. So what else we got Brian anything. Yeah. This could be fun. I've got Lisa Fitkin put on her Facebook. I'm going from a generic salon business card to my own. Any ideas dudes don't bless us more what works for you. And just I think the conversations that we've had about business cards recently make this this should be fun. Yeah. Oh yeah. So so Christina what's your feeling on a business card. You go. Yeah. They end up in somebody's pocket and then they end up in the trash or they end up on the floor of your car. That's how I feel about them. Yeah. So the only way that I ever had a successful business card. Don't ever give Christina a business card. Well no. No she's completely right. Matt you know like no one gives me business. The other night we were out. I was wearing a jacket that I wore at the show and I reached in my pocket and I found a business card and I was like oh I don't remember who this person is you know like the card. I mean if you're going to have a card maybe make it like a baseball card or something with your picture and your stats. So that's why I know exactly what my business card was funny back when I had one years ago. Right. It was funny so it was something worth hanging on because it was a conversation piece for any time someone complimented her hair. Yeah. Oh yeah. Thanks. The haircut this business card is funny as hell. Yeah. When I used to have mine you just took like a ticket to a carnival. Okay. So like it had a reason for people to want to look at or want to hold on to that. Or I find the best thing to do nowadays is just make your business cards into a sticker. Yeah. Because no matter how old you are everyone wants to throw a sticker on something. Yeah I always. A computer, a macbook, your desk your whatever. So they're always going to keep it. Brian likes stickers on his macbook. Brian loves stickers, especially if they're X-Men. I think I'm the only one who doesn't put stickers on things. Yeah. Oh I don't either. Yeah. Because what if you change your mind? I know. And then you have that sticky residue on it. It's called not being afraid of commitment. Yeah. Right? Because the two least tattooed people I've ever owned. Yeah. Somebody the other day, one of my clients, I take her back to shampoo her and she goes, do you only hire people full of tattoos now? I saw that because it was. I'm like I guess so, I don't know. I don't think about it. No, but that day it was just me, Justin and Thad all wearing short sleeve t-shirts lined up and I was like, oh. And I think I had shorts on that day too. Yeah. When haven't you had shorts on? I'd have pants on today. Right now? I have pants on. Back to the business cards. I did hear a stat before. Thad wants to finally talk. Thad just took a conversation back seriously. I was waiting to like chime in and I'm like if I don't chime in now it's gonna move on. Yeah, exactly. All right, Thad. I did hear a stat on business cards a while ago that when handing out business cards you should only expect like a 10% return. So if you pass out 10 expect only one to be effective because like Christina said those are the nine people they're going to lose them. They're going to end up on like the floor of their car like they're the pile of like dirty clothes. It's going to go through the washer. You know my mom gave me one time that was helpful. What's that? I had my business cards and I don't know where she got it. Staples or something. It's a box of magnets that are real thin, flimsy, the size of a business card and you peel. Yeah, and you put your card on. Stick your card to that. Yeah. And you just slap that on the fridge. Boom. Yeah, that's a good thing. But I think the key- The only business card I've kept recently was because it was a magnet and I threw it on my fridge. Okay. So it'll hold up some stuff. Yeah. Right. You can never have enough magnets on your fridge. But it's there now. But we have um- You never needed a magnet for anything and then Hayden came along and just like- Well I only hang up my own macaroni artwork. Yeah. So I need magnets. What do you do with the magnets? The magnets are actually just for parents. So we had a- I think the key thing with a business card is it's not like the person that gave me the card that I put in my jacket just handed me a card and walked away. Oh. So I don't know- That doesn't do anything. Like when you're handing out a business card you need to focus on getting your point across to that person so they remember you and then give them a business card. You know, make an introduction, talk about what you're looking to do and then get their business card and reach out to them when you get home. Yeah. You know, and reference back. It's more- And I remember it's fun to sit there and this is my first like professional business card. Yeah. Plus you get a thousand of them for 20 bucks or so. So you're just making it rain with business cards. Like you want to do something pretty, you want to whatever but especially for us, you know, we have short attention spans and it's a really creative business. Like you really need to do something and make this memorable. Make a point. Otherwise, it's just going to end up in the laundry. Yeah. Is she asking for clients though? Because that's a different story. You could leave those- I honestly, same thing. With the clients, I think you need to make it more memorable. Yeah. Well, everything now is, I think, on the website really. Like that's most of where the traffic's coming from but if you do live in a small town like this, I think they can be useful because they have shown to be useful leaving around New Hope where we are. Yeah, it's completely true and if you, like let's say you're out at, you know, a restaurant or bar or something and you have cards and you start talking to somebody, you sell them on you and what you want to do with their hair or then you give them a card as a reminder. Not just, you know, there's- I remember when I first started working for Sam, he would take me to the bar and like the first, like he would say like the first half an hour. Like your first drink is where you start talking to people and handing out business cards and then after the first drink, you put your business cards away and you become somebody else. He used to say because you know, we worked for Paul Mitchell and he would say, hey, my name is Sam Burns. And they never followed Paul Mitchell. I worked with Paul Mitchell. No, we didn't. I worked for Paul Mitchell and blah, blah, blah. And then he said, three drinks in, he was John or something from Nexus at that point. Nice. So- Five drinks in, you both were like taking numbers down that you were doing all of their hair like the next step. Yeah. Yeah. Well- We've all been there. You know, you learn. But yeah. So- That's gonna just bring the scissors to the bar. Yeah. Get it done now. Yeah. The battery. What else we got? Fippers. Yeah. There were some great questions on our Facebook community that people sort of jumped in and answered for them some really nice before and afters. Oh, yeah. A lot of the work- Speaking of really, really on point. Yeah. It's fun watching it. And the community now, I couldn't stand the community. Oh, I just want to say real quick. Yeah. Blood, sweat, and FIFA coin. All right. So for some reason, I can't figure out, I'm not a web designer builder, but I did put a lot of work into building that community site. But for some reason, it's just, it gets spammed like there's no tomorrow with something about FIFA coins. I don't even know what that means. I don't either. No clue. But it was on the blog. And so I took- FIFA coins for life. I took away the blog and then all of a sudden it went into the forum. So I was like, you know what? I'm connecting the community from now on to the Facebook group. And so if you go to freesoneducation.com and you click on community, it takes you to our Facebook group. There's a lot of really cool hairdressers on there and you can communicate with each other. You already have a profile. It's mobile friendly. Everything about it works. I enjoy that so much. And I'll let Facebook take care of, you know, doing what they do. FIFA coins and E7 civics. Yeah. So that's the update on the community site. And if you want to do a blog, Mickey Bullock just submitted a blog. You can go to freesoneducation.com. There's a form and you can submit any kind of blog writing you want. And I'll look at it and then I'll post it up on our blog site. You know, within 24 or 48 hours, it'll be up there. And so you can share whatever you want, tag anything that you want and you know, just share your information with everybody. So Just the last thing that I want to say about the community and everything I want, I love whatever people want to put up there, the hair that they do, I want to see it. Yeah. Yeah, we got people saying, let's do less of this, more of this. Put whatever you want up there. If you're proud of your work, then you kick ass. Everyone deserves to see it. Let's see it. Yeah. Yeah, I don't I just want to say that. I think that's good. Yeah. I want everyone to show us whatever they want to show us and we'll be happy to see it. Yep. Because something, there's something out there for everyone that's inspirational. Yeah. Everybody's got to learn something. You know, and it's no matter what level you're at, there's still somebody who's not at that level yet. So they can still learn from what you're doing. Right. So I support that fully. But I want to jump in and transition that from our little community page to a video that was brought to my attention about two weeks ago. Do we have this video? Can we post it? I don't think we can post it. I'm not going to. Yeah. Why don't you just- I'm just going to briefly give a police description of what this video is. This video was posted as How to Do Mermaid Hair DIY for $20. I told you this. Brian told me about this video that was posted on our page. He got a few seconds into it and said he couldn't watch it. And I wanted to see what it was about. So I forced myself to watch the entire thing. And I'm never going to get that part of my life back. You watched it multiple times. I did. Did you write a paragraph about this? Yes. No, I took down- Did a book report. I did a book report. No, I took down what was said on this that I just really want to talk about. I need to tell you guys about what I saw. All right. Justin's about to rant and vent. Yes, I'm going to rant. It's been a while. Okay. Here we go. Mermaid Hair for $20. First, she starts saying how she went to the salon. She wanted nice colors in her hair, blah, blah, blah. She got two wisps, which I want to know what a wisp is. Okay. Six hours, she spent $100. Okay. $100 for two wisps. She's then talking about the colors in her hair. She has like, there's like dead fish from the Hudson River Green. That's my favorite. Mine too. But she's got some nice blues and it looked nice in the end for what it was. Right. But she's saying she's just giving so much misinformation. Okay. You know, oh, the blue turns green because you put it on this. Well, it turns green because her hair is yellow. Right. And she's saying what she likes to use like stuff from Walmart, the splat stuff. It's not like Nickelodeon. Pretty much. But there's, there's, you know, the box hair color splat you can buy at Walmart. Yeah. Well, most of those things come with what developer? They come with like a 40 volume, a very high volume developer that you can't control. You know, nothing about. Right. She's telling people to put it on their hair for an hour and it comes up nice bleach blonde. That's that. Yeah, her exact words. You leave it on for an hour and everything that stuff touches turns nice bleach blonde. So now these people who know nothing about hair are going to be putting it. Hopefully they have hair when they're done. Right. So it's going to be just like the wand video. Yeah. Yeah. Where it melts the hair off. Yeah. Well, this is the problem with YouTube. And now there's no everybody having a voice. Yeah. You know, and, and I'm sure it has how many views does this be? This viewers have a ton of views. Okay. And I'm happy about that. Okay. But I'm also I'm torn because at the same time this is ammunition that hairdressers, if they do watch it, can use in their pocket to educate their clients on what not to do. Right. So then their clients go out and tell their friends when they're happy with their hair because that's the best thing in the world. They're happy with their hair. They tell everybody about you. Right. What you said about this, this and the other. But she she's going on about, well, the colors only $20. I bought it on Amazon. I'm going to use it. So I don't have to pay so much money just to apply it. Yeah. You know, and that line itself is something that I can use for the next 10 years about a YouTube video. It's never going to be taken down. I know. Like it's one of those things that's really important to me. Also, she was using like professional color. Like she went online and bought. I think it was Provena that she bought. Yeah, she bought the Provena. And it's blue and purple. It's just, ugh. And like Justin said, the misinformation, the myths, just the wrong knowledge that she's using. Right. But what made me feel better is that at first glance, it was like, oh cool. But when you really looked at it, it was terrible. Yeah. It was spotty and gross. And she's talking about it. She's like, this color, it looks almost like she had mentioned to it. No, she says. It's just she put it in and it turned a million different colors. She's like, right here, it's a completely different color. And then down here, and that's the same color. And then she says, I didn't use all this purple. So she mixed purple with a conditioner and she uses it almost like a rinse because she's like, oh well, I shampoo my hair hot water like five times and it looks great still. But what's one of the colors made to make purple? Red and blue, right? Right. What happens when you put red and green together? Right. It's neutralized. Yeah. So she doesn't realize this, but she's neutralizing that muddy dead fish green with the purple that she keeps throwing over at all those times. Right. So again, she's telling these people what to do. And it's just, I feel bad for whoever listens to her. Yeah. So if you, if anybody gets a chance to go to our, you know, our page, it's posted on there. It's the DIY mermaid for $20. I think she needs to spend the $20 on it. It was really upsetting that I kept getting extracted from her hair to her teeth. One of those things that they bothered me. So the moral of the story is? Don't listen to everything you see on YouTube. Well, and I think that that's, a lot of people are having a challenge with YouTube trust professionals from a hair standpoint because there was this huge thing and I forget, I don't even know who the guy was to post it, but he was talking about how people are starting to educate people, even hairdressers are educating people without any background. And so it became this whole like thing. With this guy and calling out everyone in the industry and not having, especially the people that are doing independent education like us, like DJ, like, you know, different people that are working independently, even though they have, you know, backgrounds in education, but because, you know, we're not necessarily working for one manufacturer or being trained by one manufacturer, they're saying it makes it wrong. And I think, you know, what we talked about before, the new way of the industry is not necessarily, I love manufacturers. I like promoting products and showing hairdressers what's a cool product. I don't want to work for one of them. Right. You know what I mean? Like I like that they are kind of using the community that we've built and that I've built through the website and all that stuff. Now a lot of companies are coming and we get to pick and choose which ones we get to talk about because, you know, We have a free voice. Exactly. Because one product isn't the answer to everything. You know, and there's a lot of cool companies out there and I like talking to all of them and sharing stuff from all of them. So that's the new way of the industry. I don't think you have to be backed by one manufacturer. Now, you can have a lot of manufacturers working with you, you know, to help promote yourself and work back and forth. So, you know, it's just that YouTube's cool. It's a cool thing, but I think you do have to be respectful of what you're teaching on there. I was talking to Beth Menardy yesterday and she was asking me about the following and all that stuff. She said, well, what are the majority of your followers? I said, there's a lot of hairdressers but they're not all probably hairdressers because it's YouTube and you put it out there, you don't know. I mean, Right. We have a Pompadour haircut. It's got almost 3 million views. That's not all hairdressers watching, but my goal is for hairdressers to watch it and you know, and the the 2000 people that are going to watch this show this week are the people. That's our core people. You know, that's the people that I really look at. The 60 people that are going to be on live tonight to watch you color hair. That's our core people. You know, so there's, I don't think it's so much about the big number. A lot of people like Google Haircuts to show their, show their stylist. Yeah, so it's, it's reaching them, I think, you know. Yeah. I don't think they're all 3 million hairs. No. I was going to say that didn't you have someone come in yesterday from the videos? Yeah, somebody came in yesterday because she saw my video. I believe it was Abby's from what she had described at the razor cut who, she just chopped off a bunch of her hair and they didn't get the hairstyle that she was looking for. So she ended up going and looking for like like different things online. Yeah. Our videos came up and she decided to do some research and find out where we were. Yeah. And how far did this drive to come to you? I think it was like a little over an hour. Yeah. Yeah, that's, it's been happening. I mean, I have clients that are coming consistently for about almost a year now from Long Island. They drive two and a half hours come get their haircut because of the YouTube video. You know, so. It works. Fused with your previous comment about the guy who was like, do I understand correctly that he was essentially saying that like education should be coming from companies? He was hard to tell what he was saying. He contradicted himself. Yeah. It went all over the place. It was really long and but it was, it was mostly just saying that he made, he was talking bad about like YouTube and Instagram and all of these people. Basically, I think what's happening now is like people that aren't making the transition and are still working for companies are kind of like, well, why are these guys getting to do things? Because all they do is YouTube or Instagram and because they have a following now they're getting asked to do stuff. And so people are starting, I think people are getting up, some people are getting upset but I don't think they should because it's, there's a lot of hard work, a lot more hard work goes into creating this kind of thing than just certifying with a manufacturer. And I guarantee you, I've been a part of it where just because you work for a manufacturer does not mean you're talented. Oh no, I've attended classes where the educator knew less than I did about the product that I was going to learn about. Right. Or if I had to write the companies like, hey, listen, whoever you have representing you doesn't really know anything about what they're teaching. But then they're all a certified educator. Right. And then there are really talented people that work for manufacturers. So I think it's the same way. There's really talented people on YouTube and then there's you know, mermaid hair girl. So you just never know. So. I think it comes down to it. Like, I mean, and unfortunately it's not common but like, as a viewer you should use like a little bit of common sense like as far as like, judging who's that common sense not common at all. That's what I just said. What? Yeah, but. I was going to say, don't you remember Brittany asking why they don't teach that in school? Yes. But what I'm saying is like, if you're viewing stuff on YouTube, look at the girl who fried her hair off on YouTube as an educator. How many people do you think went and tried that and did the same result? I hope not many. Probably a ton. See, my favorite way to put it was, I don't know, it was something that you said, Matt, almost two years ago and I thought it was great. It said, why am I going to try to do something that there are professionals that get paid to do it? Yeah. And I think you were just talking about like a plumber or something like that. But yeah. I, partially because I'm lazy, have started using that mantra for just everything. But for this kind of stuff, it makes sense. You know, if there's someone who is a professional at that, just let them do it. Yeah. Like not everything is a DIY in life. I think that was for time management. You know, because your time, well, yeah, referencing back to what Matt was saying. Yeah, it was kind of like. Because his time is costly. Yeah. Yeah. But it's, but, you know, you can take it and parlay that into however you want to interpret it. But I think of it now like. Well, it's gonna take a lot of time to fix your hair when you mess with that. Right. And I was talking about that this week and we've got someone, you know, she didn't want to pay the money. So I've been doing her hair for years and I got my promotion and she said, all right, well, this is too much now. Bye. And then I just got a message, well, she's coming back in six weeks because somewhere else and it was a nightmare. What was her message? She said, can we come back with our tail between our legs? Yeah, which is, and we were very upset when these, when we found out they were not coming back. But it was kind of like, well, that is, it is what it is. Right. Like we, you know, it's part of the growth of everything. So we kind of, we took it, you know, because it's a mom and daughter and they're really nice people and they come in here and you've been doing their hair forever. And it, but as soon as she sent me that message, I was like, there's no tail between the legs. I totally understand. Just get your ass back here. I miss you guys. Yeah. So, so that's cool. So then that goes to show you that they, you know, it's worth it, you know, and that's when you raise your prices, you do it when you're worth it. When you have the, the following and you have all that stuff. So people start to understand why, you know. All right. Um, Dreia. Tresses. Okay. Let's do this. See, we got this. Oh, we need music. I know. You want some music? So it's not just like, I can give you some music, Dreia. Can we get the arm dance? Are you ready? We're going to make it so special again. Um, here we go. Trending trust. This is what's going on with celebrities. All right. Featuring Dreia Boland. I like that. There you go. Confetti. Hold on. I could have given you the winner thing, but Can I have streamers too? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. All right. Greedy. Do it up. All right. So, we have a lot of bobs to talk about. Jessica Alba just cut off her hair into, it's just past her chin. It's not really a super long bob, but it's not super short. I like it. It's fun. Yeah, it's cool. She gets your head and be perfect looking, though. Like, she has a neat hair. I love the color. I do. I mean, it cuts cute. I love her color. I like how it's more face framing, Balayage, versus all over. I think it's fun for the bob. Yeah. I love it. Oh, sorry. You couldn't see. Couldn't see anything. Oh, okay. Is that better for you? That's perfect. Do you want to know? Princess is happy now. Okay, good. Glad the princess is happy. And then Vanessa Hudgens also chopped off her hair and on Instagram, she said why have the long bob when you can have the blunt bob? So hers is, even though the picture doesn't show it as a blunt bob, it's very symmetrical. It's all one length, very strong. Yeah. So for all the people that are going to come in asking for this, go watch our videos on how to do the undercut bob because I can tell you even she has too much hair for just a blunt bob. Yeah, it's going to be. Well, they actually were saying her and Ellie Golding. Yeah. They have the lob. Chris, you're on the wrong person. Traya is mixing up the tresses. Oh, sorry. Oh, what? She doesn't go in the... I thought we were moving on. I was talking about... The order on the... I did do the order. I don't know. Traya, you have one job. No, no, it's fine. Traya, you're good. Sorry. I was... She doesn't view before and after the same way the rest of the world does. No, go ahead. Sorry. OK. I was going to say, I like Vanessa Hudgens' haircut, but she always goes back and forth between having a bob and having extensions. I know. She's going to have waist length tomorrow. Yeah, that's what happens. Did you have Sarah Highland on before? Yeah, is that who you're going to next? Yeah. OK, sorry about that. So she just took out all of her extensions because in the fall, she got the super, super long extensions and what she called was the Beyonce blonde. And yeah, she did that. Looks cute. Beyonce shouldn't be named after anything because her hair's not even... It's like Beyonce blonde, but it was put in there. Right. Well, the joke was it was Beyonce blonde because she had so many extensions. Oh, got it. We're made fun of her. I support that. I'm just going to stop talking now. What I like about Sarah Highland is she she goes to the salon. It's a 901 salon in California and she makes a show of it. It always becomes very active on Instagram, tagging the hairdresser, tagging the salon. And it becomes a game and I thought that was really fun. And it looks good. Yeah, it does look good. Emily Blunt is going blonder and blonder. So that's fun. No, I support that. You always support Blunt. I do. Plus, I love her. She's adorable. I do. I like the Blonder look. I like that it's a sunnier blonde with the warmer tones to it. It's nice to see some warm colors. I like that it's warm, but it's not brassy. And people get that confused so often. Right. I hate that term. Everything is brassy. It's actually not still brassy. I think it's brassy. All right. And then we have January Jones who did Pastel Pink. She was saying on Instagram that she likes to, in between filming different shows and movies and whatnot, she likes to change it up to have a little bit more fun. But she did say that even though this is a softer pink, it is already washed out. Oh, yeah. Sweet. You can tell. Well, if she had watched this mermaid video, it'd be there forever. So I mean, I just decided next week, I want to put Drea's Trending Tresses to a rap song using the rap app. Yep. Okay. I support that. Yeah. So we were creating awesome rap songs the other night with this rap app that you talk into. And then it puts it to a rap song. So Drea will be rapping next week. I'm going to record Drea's Trending Tresses and then we're going to make it a rap song. I'm excited. I just forgot. How about just the intro for it? Yeah. Like the intro you just did. There we go. Yeah. Can we put the beat Trending Tresses? Can we put the beat to Lose Yourself? To Lose Yourself? I don't know if they have that. But that would be fun. All right. So is that the Tresses? That's the Tresses. Okay. So we have... We're spinning the wheel a little bit. I looked through some fun stuff. Well, Drea's spinning it. But who is winning it? This was funny. The subject of the email was, I love Brian. And then it said, Wake me up, exclamation point. So... Before you go, go. Monica. Monica from Texas. So we're going to call her. We're going to call her. Dad, do you want to put the wheel up and I'll start to dial? Monica. Plus I just want to hear her. Monica. I want to hear her Texas accent. I'll chat with her. I felt I became friends with somebody who lives in Texas when I was at IBS. And I'm sad that she doesn't have a very strong Texas accent. Yeah. I felt like I was talking to somebody from New York. Does she live in Texas or is she from Texas? Oh, she's from Texas. Here we go. What? I do. It was a very genuine. I wonder if she'll answer the phone like my dad. Yellow. Hello. You woke me up. Well, then we did exactly what was that. That's how you get up. That's awesome. Shut up. You're calling me. Of course. I mean. Is this Monica? This is Monica. Okay, good. That would be weird otherwise. Well, Monica, we have you on live on Splitting Hares. We have the wheel. So you could win three months free of Mevo, an Amica iron set. What else we got? We have $100 off scissors, t-shirts. Bolly box. Bolly box from Candy Shaw and some other stuff. Did you see Mevo? Oh, and MinervaBeauty.com as well has a cool prize on there too. So we're going to give it a spin and we'll see if you win. Oh my God, you caught me. I was all of you, but Brian. All right. Oh, I love you. And you just won. Mevo. Mevo. Three months free of Mevo. All right, Monica. So you win three months free of Mevo. I'll have Millennium getting contact with you to give you your prize. All right. I love you guys. Thank you so much. Love you, Monica. Have a wonderful day. Hello. Thank you. All right. We'll talk to you later. Bye. That's so fun. You just woke me up and she was that excited and happy. That's freaking awesome. That's how they get out of bed in Texas. Hey. That's fantastic. I am here. All right. So MinervaBeauty. So they have given or they've already sent three cutting stools to ABS for us to sit in for the podcast. And then I'm giving the three cutting stools away, which are super comfortable. Christina and Thad, would you agree with that? Because you're sitting in them. Yes. They are super comfortable. They're so comfortable. Like you don't understand how many times I have to stop myself from sitting down to like blow dry or like to put color on. I was going to say, Brian's going to buy us. Well, the other day, so we have two of these stools. I should have got four of them. So the other day, Brian just finished a haircut. He starts blow drying. I walk over to grab the stool to use it for a haircut. And Brian goes, I guess you can take that. I was like, you're blow drying. Yes, I can take it. So anything else? I think we- I'm pretty solid. Yeah, we're- Anything going on? I got my rant out. I'm happy. So make sure you guys come to ABS if you can. It's going to be really fun. Me and Thad are going to be there doing podcast interviews all day Sunday at the Millennium Booth. And then Monday, we're going to be hanging out throughout the day at Demand Force, just messing around. Talking to people at the show and stuff. There was some question on here earlier. I don't remember the exact ones. I think there might have been two or three different ones about other shows that you know of that you're going to. Premier or other stuff. The only other show that I know of at this point is I think Premier. And then the Millennium Experience. Premier's Orlando? Yeah. And then Millennium Experience is Arizona? Arizona, yeah. When are they? End of May and then end of June. Can I go? Yeah. I don't know. Can I come? Talk about this later. It's my birthday. It's your birthday. It's my birthday. It's my birthday. I'll be in Indiana or Idaho or some crap. Well, Justin also works for Inc Magazine, right? And so you've been doing a lot of the tattoo conventions. What's the difference between a tattoo convention and a hair, obviously, besides the... Bloodborne pathogens. I mean, there's plenty of those at the hair. Just breathe it in. Honestly, I would love to bring you guys to the events with me, especially the bigger ones, and just set up a booth so we can fix all the hair that walks into these tattoo conventions. It would be really cool to do hair. I've been doing hair almost as long as I've been in the tattoo industry. You imagine the cool haircuts you could do at a tattoo convention? I would imagine people are really open to trying things. Yes, probably. I mean, there's barber shops that show up. It's really awesome. Like, I've got my hair cut in a convention. We're actually just doing haircuts in Long Island last year, one of the events. Like, I met up with some of the guys who were working there. But, I mean, it's still the same thing. You have the hack jobs who are just hanging out. Looks like a flea market. You got, like, the nice, good quality artists there. Just walking around for miles at end, depending on the event. Actually, I'm going to be at one this weekend in New York. Nice. Hanging out. We'll have a good time. Thank you. I'll miss you guys. So, those of you who are going to Chicago, we'll see you in Chicago. Again, we have Beth Minority, Sam Villa, Tabitha Coffee, Ivan's Zoo, Josh Exo. Oh, I wish I was going. And more, depending on who we find when we get there. So, all kinds of stuff. Somebody wrote, Texans don't have accents. So, that's a fun fact that I didn't know. If you live in Texas, you definitely don't have a Texas accent to other people. Just like, we don't have accents to other Pennsylvanians. All right. Yeah. I can use it as a thymaster, by the way. I'm over here getting buffed. Can we see that? What are you talking about? I don't know. I'm just playing with the clear thing. You have to elevate your thighs. No. I'm not Suzanne Summers yet. I just started. I'm glad you found a way to work out during this. All right, guys. So, we... Wait, wait. Brian beat us to working out during this? Yeah, he did. He did. All right. So, we have coming up the interview with Rebecca from Heff. She calls him the Heffers. All the people that follow. That's funny. That's awesome. I think at this point probably over 30,000 people on the hairdresser education forum on Facebook. So, she's also going to be at ABS, but I want to... We'll send it over. This was an interview that I did with her at ISSE about a month ago. We'll go right to that, and then we'll close it out after. So, enjoy this interview. We follow Brian at Hairstyle. Yep. Hair with an E. Dry day 2289. I am Justin Scott. Bad bulbist. Underscore Stiney and at Free Salon Education. Thank you guys so much for watching. Check out this interview with Rebecca from the Hairstyle Education Forum. Hey, guys. This is Matt Beck from FreeSalonEducation.com here with Rebecca from the Hairstyle Education Forum. Correct? Correct. So, I can't wait to talk to you. We're at ISSE. We're live in front of everybody. I can't wait to talk to you about the forum. Because it's just such a cool avenue for people to be able to post stuff. Yeah. And I want to get your thoughts behind why you started the forum and all of that. You have this huge following at this point. It's kind of crazy. So, I want to break down and just kind of we'll let everybody know how you did it, why you did it and all of that. So, I want to start off. You grew up where? I was born in Pittsburgh, but Northwest Florida, which is nothing really to brag about. But currently there in Pensacola. So, you're in Florida? Yeah. All right. It's hot and humid there. I was just there two weeks ago with Millennium. And it was like, it's not like here. Is this, can I be like Frank and say whatever? You can say whatever you want. Okay. It's kind of like the butthole of Florida is where I live. And you can. Florida has a butthole, that's good. Yeah. And I live there, so yeah. Okay. It's very humid. So, you are, so, yeah, exactly. I was very frank, good job. So, you grew up in Florida? Yeah. And you became a hairstylist when? 10 years ago, this year, actually, yeah. Everyone I've talked to today has been a hairstylist, well, except for Candy Shaw, but everybody's been a hairstylist for 10 years. It must be like the magic number. It is. We finally figure out what we want to do 10 years later. So, you became a hairstylist 10 years ago. When did you start this education forum? I've always been interested in educating stylists. So, I've always been really passionate about it. But in April of this year, it'll be a year. Okay. And we're almost up to 25,000 stylists. Only stylists. It's not a group for anybody other than a stylist, a student, or a barber. And yeah, because they have to be accepted, right? Yeah, exactly. So, the beauty for me with creating a Facebook group, which is kind of the new trend, is because the people that follow that group see what you post. If you have a regular Facebook fan page or like page, you post something, maybe you have 10,000 followers, but 100 people see it. In a group, everybody can get to be part of the conversation. Exactly. And that's what I love about watching the hairstylist education forum is because somebody will post the questions constantly all day, and then they get 100 responses right after. And you can refer back to it, and it's just like a thread of really great information. Yeah. And there are a lot of people there. Like you mentioned Candy Shaw, Dean, the creator of Olaplex, The Doves, the Sonia and Christopher Dove, Nick O'Rhoho, you name it. Like, CEOs of companies are in that forum, along with us regular stylists. Yeah, but the great thing about it is you created something that is that powerful. It's nuts. And you've been doing it here. How old are you? I'm 34. 34, okay. So think about that. I mean, you've been doing it here for 10 years. You created something that most large companies don't have that following. You know? So all these large companies are now looking at how do we start to kind of help out and help hairdressers? And that's the whole movement that's happening in the industry. Exactly. The climate's changing. Before it was just manufacturer, influence, and if you were any sort of educator, you had to work for a company. And now I don't work for a company. I was, you know, with Joica for six and a half years, but I'm independent. And I think it's kind of making large manufacturers be a little scared or, I don't know, like they need to change now because the climate's changing. What it's going to do is it's going to make large corporations more personal. Yeah. You know, they're going to have to realize that it's even with hairdressers in general. Yeah. A lot of hairdressers, because the ego gets so big, if you write them on Facebook, they don't write you back. It's true. They don't even acknowledge that you exist. But we're hairdressers. Yeah. You know, like we're people. That's exactly right. And that's what creating a forum or creating things, it's communicating with stylists. So I love that you have created that avenue. How many followers are on there now? Almost 25,000. Okay. Yeah. So now what do you think the future looks like for what you're doing? Like now that you've built this? Yeah. Well, it's called HEF, by the way. Yeah. Hairstyles Education Forum. That's way easier to remember. Well, the loving term that we call members, which I mean, I don't know. You can take it or leave it, but yeah. But I don't know where the future is leading with that, but we're having manufacturers like donate products and money and, you know, to hold HEF exclusive contests. I don't know where it's going to go. I don't know what I can say or not. Where would you like it to go? Like when you think about the future and, you know, you're 10 years into the business, where do you think, like, what would be your dream scenario? That's really hard because I'm sort of taking every experience as it comes. I mean, I've been asked to be on stage with the intercofiora. I'm going to say it wrong. And then BTC is contact me. This is not, none of this is something that I thought would happen five years ago. So I'm just along for the ride, you know. I'm the, I, when I reach one goal, there's the next goal and the next goal. I'm just sort of riding it until, I don't know, I'm very passionate about it. That's cool. Yeah. So what do you think, so coming up in the future, do you have anything planned? Are you going to be at any other shows? Yes. I'm going to do the ABS, it's Nylah's Choice Award in Chicago. I also am a private educator, so I'm touring the U.S. right now, doing my private education. Some magazine projects coming up. What's your education background? So you work for Joyco? Yeah. I was a national educator for Joyco for six and a half years. So I had that, you know, that manufacturer influence. I've done a lot of at hair schools, gone and spoke in front of hair schools, but mainly that's my manufacturer background. It's Joyco. So now I just didn't want to be affiliated with a company anymore. I wanted to do it myself, my way, not follow like, you know, with a manufacturer, you're almost feeling like you're being sold. Like you have to use their vernacular sort of. I think people really relate to a stylist, teach a stylist. I do have a background, but I personally prefer a private education. Awesome. So how can people get a hold of you? Instagram is a big one. Vivid Artistic Care Design. Vivid Education is my email, and then the Hairstylist Education Forum. We have to be friends on Facebook for me to add you, but I've reached my stupid 5K limit. So find me on Instagram, and we'll figure it out that way. Okay. All right, cool. So make sure you guys, if you haven't joined the Hairstylist Education Forum, you do that. There's a lot, I mean, you can get all kinds of advice from all different industry, professionals and everything. So thank you so much for sitting down. Thank you. Thank you to Millennium. I can't talk. Millennium Systems International for letting us use their booth and do these great interviews with awesome people like Rebecca. Pieces of what? Pieces of people. People. So thank you guys so much, and we will see you guys on the next video. Thank you. Thanks. Appreciate it. As close as we can get it.