 So this is September 21st meeting of the District Advisory Award for Amherst, pursuant of Chapter 20 of the Acts of 2021. This meeting will be conducted via remote means. Members of the public for which to access the meeting might do so in the following manner. We assume on the webinar ID 82414483355. No in-person attendance of members of the public will be permitted. And the public participation in any public hearing conducted during this meeting shall be by remote means only. So let me, do we have three, six? So let me find the agenda. I'm sorry, I need to apologize. My computer crashed, so I'm opening everything. Now is Mike able to come? Is that correct? So do you know if Mike is able to come? He mentioned he was sick and stuff. He said he tried, but if he's not here, that's the reason. OK, we understand. So the first item in our agenda is public comment. And I know we have one attendee. And if our attendee would like to speak, she can raise her hand. Oh, there we go. OK, I will allow to talk here. OK. Hi, this is Lynn Griezmer. I'm president of the town council. And I've been able to come to a couple of your meetings, but this is the first time I'm able to stay out. I just want to thank you for your time you're spending on this incredibly important issue for Amherst. And I know that it's maybe become a little more demanding than some of you thought it might be. And it is demanding, and so we don't want to diminish that at all. And so I just want to thank you and urge you to keep on. I've been in touch with Irene and talked about when you'll come forward to the council and the fact that we actually then have to create an opportunity for public comment as well. So carry on with your meeting and thank you very much. Thank you. So Susan, be careful when you don't bump her out of the meeting. I'm removing permission to talk. There we go. OK, there we go. Great. Thank you. So if you don't have any, Tracy, you're muted. I just, is Lynn's, somebody's mic still open, is Lynn's mic still open? That's what it sounds like, except that I put it back in as attendees and I hit, there she goes. OK, that was strange. Yeah. So we had one letter sent as public comment. It was sent and it's in the package. I don't know if everybody had the opportunity to read it. So it was incorporated into the package before the meeting. OK. And we have somebody else who'd like to make public comment. OK. Thank you. Letter in the room, yes? Yes. OK. OK, am I unmuted? Yes. OK, I'm certainly aware of all the work that you guys have been doing all summer, while other people have been playing. So thank you very much for your dedication to the town. I'm wondering now that the draft, the two drafts have come out, how much can the public comment and influence the outcome, including making some changes or what? Yeah, could you talk to me about the process from here? Does somebody want to respond down? Yeah, I mean, I can speak to that. We actually hadn't talked about a clear process in terms of what our steps are. We have a timeline in mind, but we don't have an idea that what you've seen is what's going to happen. It's not necessarily one of those two maps. We actually put them out there so that it would generate some feedback from the community. So we're very open to what you might want to say. And I certainly can speak for myself. I'm certainly open to making changes. So if there are particular areas that you think are mismapped, or if there's a philosophy or something that you would like to share, we'd really like to hear it. Tracy, and then OK. Yeah, I know I was going to echo what Peggy was saying. I also know that I had reached out to people to share the draft maps after they were public and including my council members and so on. And so we did get feedback. I mean, I would like this to establish, as Peggy talked about, just establish a system for both receiving public comment and logging it. And then just in terms of following up like how we want to follow up with people. I mean, do we want to choose as a committee? Perhaps if we don't get a lot of public comments, like to follow up individually or something. Just to keep track of them, because I also think that that will be important information to share with the council when we give our report, that we did receive comments from the following number of people and so on. I think this is something that we can discuss part in the meeting later on. One thing that I want to make aware is that we don't have much flexibility sometimes when we are creating the precincts because we have to satisfy many constraints. So there's constraints given by the census blocks and the population and geography. So sometimes we would like to have something different, but we cannot always concentrate. My only question is to Kitty, actually, if she had particular comments that she wanted to make. I think similar to the comment we received from Jennifer Todd in writing, there seems to be an excellent comment that we can look to see if it can be incorporated. And if Kitty has comments that she is looking to have incorporated or other people do, that they put it in writing and forward it to the committee. Great. And then you will be discussing those comments. I'm sure we will. Yeah. OK. Thank you very much. If we don't have any other public comment, our next item is to approve the minutes. So we have to approve the minutes of September 8. I don't think we have the ones from last minute, but it's the ones from September 8. They didn't make it to the package, but they were on the package before. Last time we deferred the discussion because Joseph was not present. So I know there were some comments. And if somebody wants to take the lead. Peggy? Yeah, I had just two comments. I don't have the minutes in front of me, but I wrote down where they are. The first one is 2B.3. This is where we are talking about the cost of 15 precincts versus 10. And I just, the 8 that, I mean, we've since gotten much more information about that. So what's in the minutes is preliminary anyway, but it didn't, the cost did not include costs associated with the types of ballots, the more machines, and so on. So it's just a little bit incorrect how it's written there. The $8,000 that Sue had first put out was just for payroll. But it's also a little bit moot since we now have much better numbers from Sue. So that was one point. And the other point is that in 3B.2, the change in district is really mostly due to an increase in population near UMass and downtown, as well as decreases in areas of other areas of town. And it's complicated by the census block shifts, but it's not caused by the census block shifts. Yeah, I mean, if we wanted to clarify that, right, that the main decreased population was in the Hampshire College area. So that's another shift. Yeah, but also some of the apartment complexes, which we think are undercounted, but off-campus students. Any other comments for the minutes? No, not a comment. So somebody will have a motion to approve the meeting. Good morning. I move we approve the minutes of September 8, 2021. Second. Tracy Safian. So the vote is to approve the minutes. Yes, I approve. My name is Austin. I approve. Break me those. I approve. Peggy Shannon. I approve. Joseph Gordon. I approve pending the changes suggested. Thank you. For the clarification. My heck, good evening. I approve as well. I don't know how many approves have been motioned. That is sorry. I need to give thanks to our minute takers for preparing the minutes. Thank you. And I promise you'll have last ones last week's minutes before next week. Thank you. Any announcements? I have one. OK, so it's an email that just came in while everyone was talking. It's from Town Council. And I know we were waiting on this, so I'm going to read it to you from Lauren Goldberg. She says she has researched the law relative to this question. The question was, again, are there any legal problems in us moving forward with 10 precincts? And she said, in her opinion, based upon the number of residents listed in the census, the town does not need to increase its precinct slash districts. Therefore, if the 10 precincts meet the other requirements outlined below, then, in my opinion, whether to submit a different map or create additional precincts would be a policy issue rather than a legal issue. And the law provides that the precincts must be. Of course, we know all these compact and contiguous, all those things. And finally, be reminded that the US census numbers are the only numbers that can be used for this purpose. And that's it. So we have our answer. OK, so a few, because if we had to start working with Tim, we'd have to start with you. What about that timing was great. If not, then we double shift until October 13. Sorry. That's funny. Any other announcements? I think one announcement is, Tracey, you got Mike to print the maps in large format. Oh, Mike had already agreed to do that, I think, on comments that he had received. He just let me know that they were printed. So he did print large versions of the map one and the map two. And they were printed out. And I think they went to the town clerk's office earlier today. So Sue, are they up and available for the public now? Yes, they are. So the public can see them, I guess, anytime the town hall is open, is that correct? Yes, correct. Which is awesome. And I think Mike has been working really hard. I also understand that he prepared updated maps which show more of the minor streets. I mean, I know that I know where all the streets are. And we, everybody here probably knows where all the streets are. If you've looked at the maps enough. But I noticed, particularly on the PDF, if you zoom in, he still doesn't have any of the street names. And so I think some members of the public were asking for that additional information. And that really does clarify things and makes it a lot clearer. So again, I think Mike was working really hard on those. Sue and Tracy, where are the maps located? And do we have to call ahead to go and see them? What's the process? They're right outside the town clerk's office on one of the boards on the left side of the window. So right in the hallway. They say draft, right? I can't remember what they say. We put them up. He brought them up. We put them up. OK, can you make sure, can you see if they don't say draft with a pen? Gotcha. Yes, I will. Yes. Thank you. I mean, sorry, related to that comment about draft. So based on the feedback that I had received from my council members and other members in my neighborhood, I did submit an updated map one to Mike for consideration. And he did put it in the packet. So in terms of if we're talking about the large map one, if people agree that the new iteration of map one is good, then that map one that's posted is already out of date, the one on the wall. OK, but at least it's a general idea. No, absolutely, yeah. Thank you. And similarly, based on some things that happened at our last meeting, the public comment from Meg Gage and some comments from various committee members, I also update, I also asked Mike to publish an updated map. So that mine is also out of date. But we can talk about all that during the meeting. OK. Via Tracy. And is there like an official announcement about us losing a member? Oh, yes, I forgot. Thank you. So Tammy Parks has resigned to the membership to the DAB. So that's why it's very, very important that we are all present. If somebody is not going to be present, please let us know because we might have to reschedule because we need quorum. If we don't have quorum, we cannot meet officially. And based on the material, we need to prepare quite a bit of material before October 13. So we have only three more meetings, and that's it. So we need to have everything done before October 13. OK. So that's why it's very important in the next meeting that attendance, if somebody does cannot make it, please let us know that we're going to have to scramble something. My name, Gemma. I don't know if this is an appropriate time to bring it up, but I did have a conversation with a town councilor who brought up the question as to whether we could have some districts with more than two precincts. So we could have. So on average, the district would be about eight, well, whatever the number is, around 8,000. But we could break it out so there would be three precincts. Now, not because any no person can be the barrier between each other more than 5%. They have to be within 5% of each other. OK, that's based on the state statute or whatever. Yes, there are some hard limits for the state. There's no more than 4,000 and no more variation of 5% between the precincts. OK, that's what I thought. That's hard stops for any map that is built. We thought that at the beginning at some point we were throwing ideas, but that's a hard stop for the state. Any other announcements? So if we don't have any other announcements. So real quick, and this is just a point of reference for the. I created bitlies for the maps that are now out of date. We might consider posting the maps as bitlies. And the reason being is that we can actually track how many times people are looking at those maps and kind of see maybe just through kind of crowdsourcing how useful it is for them to see this and how many times they're going to it for reference. But thus far, the maps are tracking at 65 and 86 views since we posted them last week. And those are the outdated maps. So just interesting bit of trivia. Thanks, I support that Tracy. I just had a related comment to that in terms of updating of the maps. So even the original maps, the original draft map 1 and map 2 that went online, like I know that Mike has updated those just in terms of their readability. So even though they still say map 1 and map 2, version 1, like they actually are improved for that. OK. OK. Thank you. I'm confused. Does that mean they're not version 1 and version 2? They're a different version? No, I mean, they're map 1 and map 2. So the only thing he changes, he just changed the readability of it to make them more legible. Oh, OK. See, he didn't change any boundaries or anything. So in the packet, I know that the updated map I requested is there, and it's labeled map 1, version 2. But map 1, version 1, and map 2, version 1 are still those versions, and those are the ones that are printed out large at Town Hall. I was just commenting just in terms of if you had talked to anybody and they said, oh, it's really hard to see the maps and so on, that he had worked to make them more readable. So Sue, is Mike here? No, he's not here. Oh, OK. Mike has been sick. Oh, well, he's dead enough. But I'm just curious as to online versions of these maps. Does Town Hall track how many times folks go to these particular maps to view them or any other data like that? I just think it would be helpful and interesting to track. And one way to do it is to have these within a Google Doc or a, I forgot what else is used. I use Google Docs. But you can put those documents as PDFs or as any other type of form using a Bitly. Does everyone know what a Bitly is? So it's just a shortened web address, and you can customize it. So like for this instance, I put DAB 2021 map 1, DAB 2021 map 2, which was very simple to create. So folks aren't having to cut and paste or type out a really long web address. And then like I said, you're able to track it if that's helpful at all. So you don't know if the town tracks any of that info, Sue. No, that would be an IT question. But I think they probably do, because I know way back when the website was first brought up, I remember them talking about being able to track people that come onto the sites and where they go to see the interest of the pages, things like that. So I wouldn't be surprised. OK, maybe something to ask Mike later. Thanks. I had a question in terms of people viewing the map at Town Hall. Like I wonder if we could even have like a sign up there if people want to be added to like a list or something. And that might also give, I mean, I think your office, you would sort of notice like if a lot of people are coming in to look at the maps or if nobody is coming in. But if we even had a list, I mean, I don't know. And I guess we probably wouldn't be spending session. We wouldn't be sending special messages to the people on the list, but that would be that would give us a way to at least register people who've stopped by if they were interested. Or what about having just a simple clipboard with, you know, write your comments? You know, they could be anonymous. That's a great idea. You know, I like that idea a lot. As a public comment, they can leave the public comment on the spot. Yeah, so if we could maybe make a form and people could just leave public comments there. That's a great idea, I think. Thank you. So our next item on the list is the packet materials. Accept them up. And there are several documents I would like that we talk about. The first one is the letter from Lynn Grishmire about the procedure for the vote so that we are all aware about the timeline. We can discuss as the time gets closer, I guess, which option we would prefer to present at the meeting. But for me at this point, I think the important part is that by October 13, we have to submit the whole package. Then we have a couple of days to make a presentation. The whole committee attends or a group attends the meeting of October 18. But I would like to, just in case, to pass it down October 18 to present, be able to present if you're interested or able. Tracy, you're muted. So I'm assuming for what goes to the council that we would also send them some write up about how we made the choices we made. But that wouldn't actually need to be voted on by the council. But the only thing that would need to be voted on would be the map itself. And that would go to the state. Yeah, but to go to the state, we need to send the description and everything. And everything has to be there before the end of the month. So I would like to have as much as possible of the narrative at the same time. Because at the end of the month, we need to send everything. So even though for the state. I mean, I guess this might be a question for Mike. And I know Mike has worked on this process in other communities. This is his first time doing it with Amherst. But if we, for example, were to send just a list of all of the census box with each of their precincts and districts, is that considered a description for the state's purposes? The state on the email. So that's another of the items on the package. They say what they want. I think they have also the one also narrative of the precinct. And brief description, what are the borders, and things like that. So that's another of the emails that is on there. Yeah, I thought there was sort of just an option that they mainly just need to know which is where. But I understand. I think my read was that they wanted the list of census blocks, which precincts and identifiers, and also a description, I think, of the borders of the precinct. That was my read too. Yeah, and that's what they did 10 years ago as well. OK. The other information on the package was, I think, Sue, you sent an email regarding. So this information, what would be the procedure? If we are late, we don't manage to submit something in time. Or if it gets rejected, so we have one iteration. So if the state does not approve, we have one iteration that we can adjust based on the feedback that we get to the state. And after that, the state takes over. That's my understanding. Yeah, we have seven days that they reject it. And I just got an email from Mike. He said it's going to be a few minutes late, so here's coming. OK, great. So that was, I think, the other piece of information to have in mind that hopefully doesn't get rejected. But if it gets rejected, we're going to have to quickly turn around and resummit a new draft. Anybody else has any comments based on the package material? The other piece of information, I think that's something that I don't know if people have time to look at. Thank you, Sue. I think you put the totals of voters for precincts. And that's, I think, something that we should look at when we are creating the maps. And I think that there should be a discussion of what we do with this information, how we take this information and use it to make the districts. Tracy? In terms of the number of voters, like, for example, I noticed that precinct seven has a lot of voters. I'm assuming that Sue's list doesn't differentiate between active voters and inactive voters. Is that correct, Sue? Oh, hold on. Let me look. I think it was all. I think I chose all. Right. So I think it might be useful to show both active voters as well. Do you know what I mean? So for example, well, OK, so one thing that I think is, for example, I mean, just as somebody who's worked at elections, like, I know that in areas where people move more frequently, which happens with apartment complexes, for example, that you could have more inactive voters. Just unless, if people have moved, like, for example, college students, if they moved out of state and they didn't register to vote anywhere else in the state, then they would be listed as inactive voters in our community for at least a few years, unless they notified the town that they were now out of the town in the state. Right. So, like, for example, when I bought my house, which I've now lived in 20 years, but like the old residents who used to live there before me, like, they continue to be listed as voters at my address for at least a few years, like after I bought my house because they hadn't registered anywhere else. Right. And so it hadn't been transferred. So, like, I think it's a little process for that. And there's a few scenarios. It's not just one way or another. So, yeah, that's possible that they can still be hanging onto the voter rules for quite a while. It's four years, though, two state elections. But if you don't include the inactives, because there will be some inactives that are just inactive. No, no, no, I'm not saying not to include all voters, but perhaps to include both figures, just like for a kind of realistic, like to understand more about what, what are the voters who are voting. And, and I, and relatedly, or who are the registered voters or how many registered voters are coming in, I guess, relatedly, perhaps like even sharing. And I think you may have prepared some of this for the council previously, but numbers on the voter turnout, for example, right. So, like, if you do have a, if you do have a precinct that has, you know, a large number of voters, but then there's a very small turnout. Again, that could also be reflecting some of the inactive voter status. I can, I can print new maps or new charts showing active voters, inactive voters. Percent of voter turnout, that's all online. No, I realize that I know it varies, it varies by election, but now having you, I thought that you may have prepared like a memo on that already for when they were looking at doing like the new districts. I mean the new voting locations. Well, it depends on, there's so much information. No, I know. Okay, all right. Yeah, it depends on which exact information you're looking for. I can dig it up, but yeah, yeah. But I can do, I can do a reprint and repost of that number of registered voters, and I can do one active and one inactive, so you've got it broken down. Yeah. Oh, that'd be great. Thank you. Okay. Oh, yeah, I think that would be helpful. I agree, Tracy, give us a more realistic picture. I just have a comment about Jennifer Taub's letter that I definitely appreciate, again, trying to keep those interest areas together. It's just that when we look at even a place like the historic district, it's not homogeneous, right? That if we, the streets that she's mentioning there, if we look across on Maine and Gray, for instance, you have a business district, a business area across from that historic district, such as the Elements Hot Tub and I think it's Antonio's Pizza. And so you have that business area that isn't necessarily represented, you know, the same way, potentially, or with the same interest as the historic district. And so it's just an example of how we kind of paint certain areas within this community with a broad brush because they have these kind of legal structures in place, but they aren't necessarily all the same and have the same type of interest. So it's just an example of trying to keep that in mind. So one, for me, what was important to look at the voting, the register voters, is how, what's the discrepancies between north and south summers is the longest, a factor three in some precinct. And I think the decision that we're going to have to make is how we take into this information on the district, because we could have with a district that has almost 6,000 registered voters and one district that has 1,600. So whether we want to try to balance high and low registration or not because in that case, the ones that have lower turnout those get overwhelmed by the ones that have higher turnout. So that's, I think, the discussion we have to have when building the district. Because on one side, we end up having too many people represented by just two representatives in the council. On the other side, we might have, we might end up overpowering certain communities because they have lower registration. So that's a, I think that's the, the back and forth time in having Marlene. I did a couple of scenarios. I looked at various combinations of precincts and districts making sure that they were contiguous and also looked at the voter records, you know, the numbers of voters. And yes, there's, there's a lot of variation. So at the high end was 4,700 plus. At the low end, depending on how you cut it, it could be around 1,700 or 1,800. If, depending on how we, how we assign these, but I think either way, because they have to be contiguous, I think we're going to get a lot of variation. Yeah. It's always been like that. You know, it's always been that way. Well, that was when, when I came up with this, the crazy map that it was all finger, not finger, but it was trying to break, it has always been like that because of the way we have the precincts and we, we are doing small variations within the precincts and the high density of population that we have. If we want to break that, we have to throw away everything through the window and start from scratch, maybe start from another point from the voting, from voter registration and start from that one, trying to have a more even balance there, but it would be very hard. That means like a big break with current precincts and things like that. But even with, I think it's important to have this information and have it in the background when we are creating the district. And what are the implications because we're going to have to talk about that when we're creating the district. If there's no other comments regarding the material besides the maps, I think we should talk about the maps. And I don't know if everybody had time to see that Mike, the Mike sent an email saying that he had created more layers for the map where he put demographics. Some demographics and some demographics and also you could put the layers on the versions of the map one and two that we had last week. I don't think he has put layers with the updated versions, two of those two maps. Mike, when I was playing with the demographics, what I showed us in both maps one and two did a pretty good job in general. There were a couple of places where some of the demographics were split. One particularly was Hampshire College area, but there was, I think there's very little that we can do to try to incorporate, not to have islands of demographics that get embedded in others or having more continuous. I think that was what I saw. I don't know if anybody else has any time playing with that information. Okay. Yeah, I mean, I did try to look at the demographics and that's actually why I made a new version of my map was to try to look at the map. I mean, it'd be easiest to look at the map. If we're actually going to look at maps, we can do that. Do you want to share? Let me see. I can try opening the map, the version two. Let me, I need to download it. Wait one second and I can share it. Do you want to share it so that you can highlight it? Mike published it. It's in the packet now. It's in the packet. It's a fifth one down map to version three. I didn't. So Peggy, maybe two, could you speak to how, I mean, I guess particularly when it comes up in the picture, but could you speak to the differences of that version of the map at the precinct level compared to your old one? I can, but I can, I think I'd rather start by just telling you why I sort of why I went to this map. I'm going to take over the map discussion here. Yeah, let me see. I don't know how to display. Two maps. I'm trying. Let me sharing. This cream. Mike is the. The expert of showing. Two things at the same time. Can you see the map? Yes. Like that. Yeah, that's great. I can't see the southern part. Yeah. Yeah. Hampshire college is the boundary. So, yeah. If you. So we can all remember that. So this isn't very different from my other map. What's different is that the green area in the middle has been changed a little bit, but let me just tell you why I, why I went for this. And then we can talk about it. Or we could talk about the other maps. Yeah. Yeah. There were, I'm very, I started by looking at the demographic data and the concentrations of black people and the concentrations of Latinx people and the concentrations of Asian people in town and trying to get a sense of whether. I'm partly based on these comment last time about being concerned that colonial village might not have. A lot of the, a lot of the, a lot of the, a lot of the things that were used in its district. And what I noticed when I looked at the demographic data was that it felt to me like there were kind of. There were a few areas in town. And I wanted to make sure that we weren't. Putting all the communities of color in their own district. Cause that didn't feel like that. I felt like that might be disenfranchising to me. I'd like a district up in North West Amherst. I'd like a district where colonial village is not isolated. I'd like a district in which village park, which is in precinct two in this map is not isolated. And I'd like a district where. East Hadley road is not isolated. And I don't think that's possible to do all that. So this is what I landed on. So I landed on a, you know, a district in North, North West Amherst, a district coming down, which is precincts two and six on this map. And a district, which is precinct three combined with four. And let me, which is the, mostly you mass and let me explain the next piece. What I was trying to think of is that we have these residence halls, which are very high density population, but very low density voters. And that's tricky because we want to have, we want to have voters distributed evenly amongst the precincts or at least amongst the districts. Not so much. It doesn't really matter if they voted there even in the precincts, but it matters if they're even in the districts. So then I tried to draw the lines in such a way that the residence halls in town are distributed as evenly as possible into the five districts. Again, it's not entirely possible. So sort of using some of what I, Irana was doing with her map to, to try to distribute that. And then just running the ratio so that they, you know, I just looked. So the, just looking at residence halls again, and I know that lots of students in various folks live all over town, but, but the residence halls felt special to me because they're so concentrated and they generally are undergraduates. And so they, they are less likely to be voters than a lot of other people in town. Anyway, that, that I managed to get the lowest number of resident. Residents in the combination of five and eight, that's at 1850. So that's almost 2000. And the highest was in 910, which is the green and the tiny little 10, which is Southwest is 4200. So yes, that's twice as much, but it's better than anything I could do with any of the other maps. Like when I tried to make precinct, when I tried to make districts with all the other maps, I ended up with a bigger disparity than this. So there's that. And then the third thing that I tried to do is I was thinking about what Meg Gage said last week about trying to. Honor or at least think about mapping around village centers. And that's why Northwest Amherst felt like that should be a district is because that's a village center. And that's why the green, the district nine, which is the dark green in the middle, I've extended eastward. So as to try to catch some of that, try to, instead of dividing the East Amherst village center right down the line and into two, you know, an East and a West instead having more of a village center since there anyway. So that's where that's where the, that's where my thinking interested in comments. Oh, and one other thing I'd just like to say is that I remember Mandy, Joe, Hanna key was saying that she thought Southwest should be reunited. And I would argue strongly against that because if we do that, then that, that is almost certainly going to be a district, almost a whole district just in Southwest. And that is exactly what I think we want to avoid because, because then it'll be very difficult to find somebody to run in that district and represent. Amherst. Okay. Okay. We have a raise hands and Merlin and then Tracy was someone who lives in East Amherst. I live at Echo Hill. I sort of associate with the East Amherst. You know, village center and you have removed the East Amherst village center from my neighborhood. So just something to think about it's, I mean, we've got a wedge, which is going of what's numbered for that's sort of heading East. And I don't know if people on. Chestnut street or triangle street consider themselves to be part of East Amherst. As I see it, the dividing line is closer to Belcher town road, but I could be wrong. I mean, you know, Uh-huh. Okay. And I don't know how that impacts what other manipulations you would have to make. Tracy. Okay. So I live in West Amherst. I'm as a resident, a current resident of district three in precinct four. And I had shared the maps with a number of people in the districts, including, as I said, our district three counselors. So one concern I have about the way that precinct four is drawn on this map is that it includes both some of the Southwest storms. And then I believe it also includes the common with college dorms. Is that correct? Like in precinct four. So as a precinct four resident. Who is not somebody living in the dorms. It does including both the common with college dorms. And like a good, you know, 40% of Southwest in precinct four means that the residents. The residents who aren't in dorms like are much smaller than the residents. So that was one reason why on the other map, like on map one, I intentionally split. I divided up precinct four and I put common with college storms into a different precincts. I put a merge common with college dorms like in, let's say precinct nine to the east. Does that was that's just a concern I have as a resident of precinct four. And also with precinct four, just like to speak to the comment that Jennifer. Tom had raised as well as the district three counselors both raised is that they were concerned that there is really quite a neighborhood. In West Amherst, like along Lincoln and sunset and so on, like the roads leading up to the university and. This version of the map splits those up into worse. So that's where I think west of sunset is in precinct four, but then east of sunset is precinct five. And, but, um, so I think so one thing is with this map, so it's correct, right? So Southwest dorms, the precinct 10 is then merged in with the green one, right? Okay. Into district four. I mean, I did, I have been thinking a lot about what Disha boss said about colonial village. And I do share your concerns about representation of BIPOC people and, you know, in terms of like having creating the potential for majority minority districts. Um, when she raised that question last week, I had also asked just about rolling green, you know, so rolling green is perhaps it's not as racially diverse as colonial village, but rolling green is part of, um, is part of precinct six. And it is like a large low income housing complex. And so a part of me thinks it is more appropriate. It's a little hard to see the demographics of rolling green because rolling green has a census block that also includes echo Hill. So you can't actually, I mean, some of the ways that the census blocks are combined, I think how they're large, I wish they were split and times are small. And I mean, it's hard to say, okay, this section, these numbers are rolling green numbers. And these are echo Hill because we only have one census block that covers both. Um, and then also if you look about, you know, some of the other areas where students are living in precinct six. So that was my concern at the time with, um, if we put colonial village into a downtown district and we didn't have it. Um, like in precinct six, because then what happens to like this large affordable housing complex, which is probably the only, you know, it's the largest apartment complex in precinct six. Do they feel like they have a waste of, um, but can we go, can we go back to the map? I was trying to open them. The interactive Mike is here. Maybe Mike can be our map guru. I think we're really good. Um, I, um, I also am concerned about the Jennifer Cowbs thing. I didn't read that until after I drafted this map. Um, and I was worried, worried about the west side of sunset. So that, yes, granted, that is, um, that's a problem in terms of the, the residence halls and in door or dorms, whatever in precinct four, here's the problem. If you add up just the residence halls from UMass Amherst college and Hampshire, um, you get about 15,000 people. Um, and if you divide that by five, then you're getting 3000 people on average per district. Now, if they happen to all be in precinct 10, um, which is almost, which is kind of true for my precinct 10, it doesn't really matter if that precinct is joined with another precinct that has mostly, um, non dorms. So that was the case for, um, precinct four, I put precinct four with precinct seven. Um, and I did that partly because of your comment, Tracy, about always feeling a little uncomfortable that precinct seven would be with precinct eight, where precinct eight has such a high voter turnout. Um, and that, that lowers the, the voice of the people in precinct seven. So, so I'm not swayed by the, having a lot of dorms in precinct four. I would be if it were just four, but being with, uh, another precinct that doesn't have any residence halls to me lessens that. Tracy and also I have a comment. So I don't know. My hack. Jelani, are you there? And, you know, that is an option. Okay. That's, I'm sorry. I'm trying to multitask here. Um, I'm, I'm asking if I'm a heck, have you, um, talked to any of the other students? I'm assuming that you're a student. I may be assuming totally wrong in my apologies. If that is the case about how these precincts will, um, work on campus and off campus in terms of the, uh, where student housing is. Uh, yes, absolutely. Thank you so much for the question. So I did, uh, discuss this recently. In fact, this has been a topic of discussion that's been going on. Um, however, whatever was discussed in the meeting is something that people are generally agreeing with. I don't think that there's any differences. Okay. Thank you. I'm just interested in how the students would perceive that, you know, how would the students perceive, uh, the positioning of certain dorms and different districts. Um, and, uh, off campus housing. Um, I think that one of the main reasons why the students wouldn't be too concerned about that is because our housing changes every single year. So, um, students won't be living in the Southwest dorms for more than maybe one year or two, um, which might be the reason why they aren't, you know, super concerned about Southwest being split up. Okay. Thank you. Just to follow up. Joseph, I think you're also students, right? Yeah. Yes. Um, I also can speak to that a little bit. Um, so I think one thing that wasn't met, although I made a really good points was the fact that, um, the fact that students are constantly moving around so much, getting a voter registration for their residence hall. Um, you know, when I was a freshman and I was living in Southwest, I, I was super involved in politics. So I wanted to get like my voter registration to my dorm hall immediately. But I know a lot of people vote at home, not like in Amherst. I know a lot of people like aren't super to like going through the process of getting their voter registration changed because they know they're just going to be moving in a short period of time. Um, so I think that like the voter turnout for that area, I think the population is large, but the turnout will probably continue to be pretty low. Thanks. Tracy. Actually, so I just wanted to speak quickly to, um, sorry muted, but I'm not, so I just want to speak quickly to Peggy's comment about, uh, district, uh, precinct seven and precinct eight. Like if we actually look at the numbers that sue supplied, um, about, I mean, as I said, I have been just generally concerned. You know, in terms of the diversity of precinct seven compared to the diversity of precinct eight and just making sure that seven does have a voice because to me, it does look like the main, um, you know, potential district for, uh, minority majority vote, um, is that, but if you actually look at the, what Sue mentioned at the meeting last week is that the precinct seven has some of the highest voter turnout. And, um, along with precinct eight, so they both do. So it was two, six, seven and eight, they all have high turnout. And so I am definitely less concerned about that than I was originally. And I think there is actually, I mean, there's, if you look at, you know, where candidates who are running for amateur is like some good. Townwide and council candidates in precinct seven. And that's typically the case. Um, so I think there is like a certain amount of activism there that comes both from the, I mean, because there are so many people who live on East Hadley road, but then also you have orchard valley and things too. So I feel like they are doing a pretty good job of keeping themselves represented in our town government. Oh, and I probably do need to go grab my kid, but I will call in and then I'll come back. Thanks. So I wanted to make a comment as a resident of North Amherst. Um, I think prison one, um, those have it's mainly student housing at this point. There is a many, um, complexes, um, that we have to be aware that the, again, no voter turnout is all this area. It's not just that we have to look at the dorms. Uh, but in an almost pleasant street, there is a lot of student housing. Um, so that has an impact. I think when we are building the districts, we have to be aware of that, um, that probably west of North Pleasant and even east of North Pleasant is now almost a continuous of student housing. Um, over there. So we have to be when building the prisons, if there is a, it's also joined by the dorms, the numbers actually increase considerable. Um, and that's why I think prisons one and three has very low, um, registration voters and that is an indication, I think about the amount of student housing. Um, but yeah, that needs me as a North Amherst resident. Okay. Um, so how do we proceed it now? I think we have to, uh, I'm open to opinions of everybody. Okay. And then Tracy. I'm, I'm wondering if we could take a look at, at Tracy's latest version also. And then, and then from, we need to, I think we need to pick one or the other to, as a basis and then make what modifications. Yeah. I think I'll maybe combine there are some things that we might think that I could in one map and the other one and try it based on also in the comments, see if we can do an iteration, trying to incorporate. The best of what we consider the two maps and the comments and see if we can mash up all this information. I don't think we have enough time to do anything else at this point. Yeah, no, I agree. Um, Mike, can you share the map or I share the PDF? Um, so do you want, do you guys want to see the interactive map or do you want to see the PDF? Because Peggy, you, I have two or three versions of maps for you and I have two for Tracy. So which, which versions are we going to look at side by side? I think the latest two versions of the map to the version three of map two and version two of map one, right? Okay. Or actually could I, I could just speak to like what I changed on my map, like briefly, if that. He has it. So yeah. Okay, that's fine. In the meantime, Craig, do you have a comment? My comment is to Mike that, that as new versions come out, whether they be from Peggy or Tracy or something, that the old ones be put into an archive file instead of being kept active because it just confuses people to see version one, two, three versions. If you got five versions, which one do people refer to? I think you need to archive the old ones and leave the latest ones up. I think for the meeting, we should still have them as a reference. If we want to compare new versions and all, and then put moving forward, we only move forward the ones that are relevant, but for us when they're discussing, I think it's good to have both versions so that we can go back to that. Yeah. So Craig, that's what I don't know, Craig. I don't know which, I don't know if map two version one is what we're going to be working on tonight or version two. I don't know which version is active. I don't know if all of these versions are active and are on the table to discuss. So that's why they're in the meeting packet because they're potential. Things to discuss tonight. The ones that we should be updated are the ones in the interactive map. So I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe we come to a discussion in the interactive map. We should change it. Well, and maybe we could even have a, like in the packet, we could have a folder of like archived old maps, like not being used or something anymore. But I do think for the meeting, like for example, I came up with a new version of the map and I didn't know how the members of the committee would feel about it. Right. So I didn't immediately assume that my new map is like the goat one. I mean, I agree. You don't want to be juggling too many maps, but at least like for the purpose of our meetings, I think it's good to have both versions. And then if we agree that the new version of my map is better than the old one, then we'll just archive the old one. So, Mike, can you share this side by side? Yes. I'm getting it. Yes. I'm getting it. I'm getting it set up. Give me just a second. Yeah, I'm going to be, I'm going to be late pretty much every Tuesday meeting. Just a heads up. I don't. About 15 minutes. I think. The rest of the meetings at six p.m. today was the only one that was David. Okay. Okay. So do you folks see the map to map side by side? Yes. Yeah. So, so Peggy brought up an interesting point, you know, I'm thinking about the precincts and we're thinking about the districts. So, you know, one question could be like how much do the individual precinct boundaries matter if the precincts are going to be grouped into districts? Right. So like I explained how I was. Sensitive and I had concerns about the boundaries of precinct for like on her map. But then if it's being matched like in a different way. So, you know, what is like the main concern just because we do elect our elected officials at the district level, not the precinct level. So, I mean, it's, it's possible, right? That a future version of this committee could come up with other precincts. But of course, I mean, other districts, but of course they'd also have to come up with other precincts because we're likely going to have to have 15 unless the state changes the law. So, if anybody had comments. So do you want to speak to what you changed on your map? Sure. Okay. I can speak to what I changed. So on my chain, from my map, again, I had shared my map with people in district three, including the counselors on people were concerned about splitting up Lincoln and sunset, which I do think is a neighborhood just like some of the other neighborhoods that Mandy Joe had pointed out her memos. So I did reconnect, like I did take the southern, I mean, some sections of that I had put into five or whatever the Brown district is five, all of district, and I put them back into a precinct four. And then I also just made a few tweaks around, like with precinct three, because I was trying to make with the dorm, the southern section there, I was trying to make it a little more contiguous and less. So I grabbed a dorm, a segment from the dorms there from the north dorms, and I put it into precinct three, and I removed another section I put in precinct two. And so those were the main changes. And then there's one thing I would still like to fix a little bit that the, so if you look at precinct two now, like if you go over towards whatever this is northeast street, like that I took, I put part of it, yeah, where Mike Bright is, like, so I put that and I had to move that because the numbers get so tight, as I'm sure anybody who's tried to do this knows. So I ended up putting those into six. There's actually very, very few people here, even though it's like a large segment, I think there's a total of 80 people. Yeah, that's a lot of conservation land here, right? Yeah, and so I did it just, I did it to move the dorm and things, and I know it looks a little odd right now. So I could play with that a little bit just to make it look a little better, but, but, but in terms of the actual numbers, there aren't too many changes. Oh, and I did, I'm reunite a little bit more of around North Amherst and Cushman, like because Cushman had been like split up quite a bit. So those are the main changes. I have a couple of comments about the map. So I'm looking at precinct three. And it looks that it's going to be, if you look at the population, it's going to be mainly students. Well, and it's those neighborhoods, right? To the west of East, East Pleasant Street. Yes, but that's the population wise. In the balance, I think those are 700 people only. That this person is going to be overwhelmed. Well, and you also have not just the dorms, right? You also have the population that lives along North Pleasant Street. Yeah. But it's, it's also you have all the student housing, like Hobart Lane and all this person, Hobart Lane over here. So it's, I think it's, if it's all students, it doesn't matter if it's paired with precinct, which is not, right? Well, by this geometry, so the only way would be to pair it with two, but then you have one and you would have here a finger, the one and nine. I mean, my suggestion would be to pair it with precincts with Peggy's map or my map to pick it with, to pair precinct one and precinct three. Yeah. And one thing I did with, with precinct one is I, right? I moved it more to the west. I'm sorry, to the east, like across because there are also residential along there. Yeah. So person one again is all the west of North Pleasant street is mainly on students. But I guess the question is, does it help to expand the geography of precinct one at all, like including to the east in terms of pulling in. I mean, if we're including like, so now precinct one includes the area around Cushman and things too. So is that expanding the population of potential, you know, people who it could be involved in government and so on. I think so it's all the area around Cushman. So the, the, the area around East Pleasant street. And pine street, all this area is pretty much linked to Cushman. So there are kind of two village centers. I would say in this area you can consider two centers. One is Cushman. And the other one is no summers. Okay. And so those are both in precinct one. No. Cushman is not. Okay. Yes. Yeah, I moved it. Yeah. So I mean, I was trying to expand. I mean, I know that you write so Sue had said that precinct one and three had some of the lowest sort of turnout. So, I mean, how else would you think that we could, you know, expand or change those districts to make it more. Yeah, there's no many other way because then you could expand, I don't know if precinct one could extend a little more catch a little bit more. That's the only one that has a little bit of wiggle room. You could transfer some of precinct to that it's above. It's 1.7 above the medium. So I'm sorry. Can you show like where you would move precinct to. So I leave it on the north. Right. Yeah. Maybe one sliver more. Just to balance out. So precinct two right now has. It's 1.7. Seven above. The percentages. Right. Okay. Right. So you could make bring it a little lower. Either with the next lever. I don't know what I don't remember if there's another. Weird shape. Precinct two is full though. Precinct one is full. So you would be moving, you would be moving population from precinct one to population precinct two. Is that what you were talking about? No, I'm saying some from precinct two to precinct one, have it both be more balanced. So instead of 1.7, seven above bringing lower. And if there's any census block that has. 20 people, 30 people. Yeah. That's really hard. I mean, the only sense of blocks that are like that are usually around. Yeah. So yeah, we bring one of the other ones if it can be brought the next to good. So I think at this moment, these are the numbers to try to get it as close as possible. This map, the conversation that we have to have is that forces. Precinct 10. There are only two possible configurations with prison 10. That's easier with four. Or with nine. Right, right. Yeah, I played with trying to make mine. The connect precinct 10 with precinct five, the way Peggy had done it. And cause I did like some of that. But so if you look at actually in those, if, if you look at them, the on my map on the purple section to the east of precinct of precinct 10. So just like directly like due east that that is all students too. Like that's going to be where the new student dorm goes. The one on mass av in Lincoln. And those neighborhoods, I mean, those housing is almost like dorms. It's like super high density dorms. There aren't, I don't know if there's like almost any owner occupancy. I don't know. I don't know. Have they started construction because for example, on, on North place and street, they started construction already for the other dorms. Well, those aren't going to be dorms. Those are going to be on. So North village is closed. It's going to be developed. Privately. They're both, it's going to be done. Family housing and dorms. It's all private though. I don't think it counts as dorms. It's, I think it's a partnership. It's not all private. It's a partnership within the university. The university is a private. State partnership. It's by student housing and dorms. So both. So if we were. I don't know if people have opinions of the two maps. I think they're very similar. Except when we come down to the center of the map that we have. Different ways of joining the maps. Yeah, I mean, I guess that people had any comments like for their neighborhoods. Right. So I know when I sent it out to. District three, I got a lot of comments. How people feel about district three. I've, I've told you about the person. Yeah, I know. I mean, if they're Linda or Craig or anybody has comments or. There's a lot of things I like about Tracy's map. And I'm really thinking about your man is comments about North Amherst. And how to, how to address that. But I want to know what would the districts look like. For Tracy's map. Because to me that's in the end, that's what's very critical is whether. If people are going to be represented, it's by the districts. So where does 10 go? Yeah, I mean, I had looked at a bunch of different options for my districts. And so I will say, I mean, as a member, as a resident of district three. And I do feel comfortable with district three continue to be district four and 10. And the council members for district three feel comfortable if they continue to be district four and 10. I mean, they do mention the, you know, how it is problematic a little bit. And I think the students on the comic and Joseph spoke to that just about with the dorms that it's really hard to reach people in the dorms and there isn't good dorm voter turnout in local elections and things and like all those kind of issues. But I mean, that's the way that precincts currently is. I mean, the district currently is and they didn't have any issues or questions with that. But so. So one of the versions I did keep one in three together as you did. The ones that and I did, you know, I did keep seven and eight together because as I said, like I have much reduced concerns about precinct seven. I mean, there were a few options and trying to link like precinct seven with precinct five, but then I mean, there's just so many pairs at work or don't work. So I mean, a few options with, so if you have precinct two, like precinct two could be matched with either precinct nine or it could be matched with precinct six. It's currently matched with precinct six in our current districts. And then you also have the, so I mean, so one option could be to match precinct two with precinct nine and then to match precinct five with precinct six. And so that would actually speak to some of the issues that have been raised about precinct six and isolating it, you know, isolating colonial village and so on. So if it was grouped that way, then you are pulling in both the parts of downtown, like into the district that would also include colonial village and rolling green and things. And on the corner of, I guess it's main street and southeast, north, northeast streets. So that's like that village there, but right to the southwest of that, that's affordable housing there too. So I was trying to connect some of those. And then Marlee. So just a couple of comments. We have, we, if two is paired with, is not paired with six, then we are isolating village park. So that's just, you know, another, something to think about. But, but what I, what I, oh, what I wanted to say is that the, the having a lot of students in your district really cuts both ways because with a lot, a lot of students, then it means that it may be harder to find candidates to run. But on the other hand, if there are a lot of students and they're not voting, it means you vote counts more. So the districts like seven and eight. Where there's really high voter turnout. If we put them together, it means that their, their votes don't count as much as in a district where there are a lot, a lot of students. So current Senate. Yeah, exactly. So it's a really, it really cuts both ways. And I just think we need to recognize the fact that it's not necessarily a bad thing to have a lot of students. Actually, I was trying to put a lot of students in the districts with communities that have traditionally felt more marginalized. So that their vote would count more. So, okay. Yeah, I'm looking at map two, version three and map one, version two. So for precinct one, both of them have the same population, but the lines, the precinct lines are very different. So in Peggy's version, it looks like it's cut off it. It looks like East Leverett road is part of. I guess what's probably precinct six. So, so one thing Peggy did one, not precinct one. One thing Peggy did in her map with her numbers is that it includes like one census block with a dorm. And I'm talking about, I'm talking about one. I mean, if you just look at precinct one. That's how, that's how the numbers balance. Like even though our maps look different is because hers includes one dorm. They're right where Mike. So Marlene, they have a couple of differences. So if you look at the corner of Pine Street and North, North Pleasant Street, yeah, there's one block there. But in the numbers, the big difference is the dorm that Mike was highlighting with his red cursor. Okay. Can you do that again, please? It's right. It's right here. Okay. So that has a ton of people. So that's the balance between drawing this shape all the way up East Leverett road and drawing this shape to include that one little block. And that one on North Pleasant and Pine. Yes. That one. And that's only about 40 or 50 people. Okay. So my other concern is that that. District or that precinct precinct. I guess it's six is very, I mean, if you look at the dimensions, it's, it's probably the long, longest North to South. And I'm just, you know, in terms of neighborhoods, I think that we're, we're discussing neighborhoods that are somewhat different. I don't know how many people would have in on East Leverett road would consider themselves similar, you know, but I think they might identify more with the North Amherst area rather than something that's really heading into, you know, it's East Amherst to some extent South Amherst. That's all. It just seems to be too, the distance between North and South seems to be too great. So how does that, I guess the question, because you live in that area, like, how does it work with the current district, right? So like if two is continued to be matched with six, how does that work as a districts for the people who live in districts too? I can't really speak to district too, but it seems that it's, I guess, I think, yeah, that seems to work. I think the major issue, I think that precinct six is that East of North, North East Street, North of Wudnain, not Wudnain, Pelham Road, there's very little population. Well, it's, it's like a mountain. Well, it's a farm. There's some, there's some housing along Pelham Road and a couple of houses on, on North East Street, but the big chunk is the conservation of farms. So I'm looking more, you know, heading north of like Shootsbury Road, that area, Flat Hill, you know, it's, it's large. So from that point of view, you know, Tracy's map would make. So I have a question, Tracy. I'm sorry. The precinct two and six in yours. Precinct two is very full. It's not that it can, I was wondering if we could move the border towards North Pleasant Street, but the one being precinct six, it's smaller, right? It's just, I don't, but there's only like huge chunks. To attach it with. Oops. I lost my screen. Hang on a second. Like, for example, I mean, you could, if you wanted more population in precinct six, right, you could go south of Belcher Town Road or something. But then that just makes the geography of precincts. Precinct six longer. And I mean, there is still the question about the districts. I mean, I think that's part of why I was looking at, does it make sense to group. Precinct two with precinct nine. And to group five and six together and not have that district go all the way up to North Amherst. Thank you. Yeah, I wanted to ask Marilyn. So, so looking at Tracy's map, I hear what you're saying about. The precinct six longer. And I mean, there is still the question about the districts about, I mean, I think that's part of why I was looking at, the precinct, I can't remember is it six, I guess. Yeah. Your neighborhood. Does it feel more comfortable to you to be paired with. Precinct two, as you essentially are now, which is the bright green. Or would it be more comfortable to be paired with, I think the dark green is what the other option that Tracy suggested. Because it's again, the precinct itself. It doesn't matter. It's true, but then for redistricting. So then the, our rep, our, you know, again, this would be in two or three years, but our district reps would mean they're. The geographic area they represent would be different. I think that's, I don't think that's, I don't think anybody's said we have to do that. There's obvious reasons to do that because, you know, less disruption and confusion for the voters. And what happens when we elect our. Our representatives this fall. And then we change the districts. Like, you know, I don't think that's a, I don't think anybody's said we have to do that. There's obvious reasons to do that because, you know, I don't think anybody's said we have to do that. And then we change the districts. Like who are they, you know, who are they representing next year? But I, but I really feel like, as Irena said, our whole kind of government has changed. And so holding on to what was created a couple of years ago, really may not make sense. But we are used to a district government right now. And we, we know who our, our local district reps are. So if they run for re-election, if they run for re-election, it comes time for the next election. They would, I guess. Their affiliate. So if they run for re-election, their district would change based on their residents. An example of two and, and, you know, six right now. They would. So in that case, you should like my map. Marlin, I think there has been only one. So the districts were created how long ago, three years ago. Yeah. Right. We based on the precincts that they were created. Some years ago that when there was a different kind of government and the work, they could not rework precincts and they were working with the precincts. Right. And it was a different time of government with each government. They've worked on districts and they chose these districts in the same way they could have chosen other districts. This has been only, it's going to be maybe two election cycles. I, I don't feel maybe I'm too, I don't feel committed that we have to stick to the districts considering there has been so many changes in population shifts. We have, it's, it's not that we have had maybe 50 people changing one place to another. We have had 1500 go up in one place, 700 drop in another place. So based on that, then we have to rebalance and make sure that the districts are balanced to best represent the people in the same way that the states, I think there are some states that lost one representative, okay, one representative of the national, but they, the representatives have to start changing and campaigning at the state level. So everything, everywhere is going to have to happen in, happening at this level. It's not that we have very, it's not that we have very little changes. I think we have such big fluctuations in numbers, the way things work that we have to adapt. So I understand that. And you know, I know things will have to change around the edges. The question is to how, how drastic do we want to make that, you know, reconfiguring districts? You know, do you want, do we, is our goal to try to retain them except around the edges? Or is our goal to reconfigure the entire town? Tracy? I mean, so both Peggy's map and my map, like have some changing of the districts, right? It's just about, and at the time that the charter commission picked for these configurations, I mean, there were some other possibilities that also had some support. It's just a majority, a small majority of the charter commission members, like chose the configuration that we have today with the districts. And I guess the question is like, do how well, you know, since the districts have only been in place in our form of government for three years, like how well do the current districts work, right? I mean, this has been a learning process. And you know, if people are concerned, for example, about, you know, like for example, it was brought up about districts, one, that those districts don't get good turnout and things like, how can you, how can we adjust them? Like as we get more use to this form of government. I mean, we can, we can continue to look at the current districts. And I think that that would be as an option. And I think that that would be something useful to take to the council. But then we could also have like one or two alternatives that also think about how we could potentially change them. And it's really important, I think to get the people's feedback. So, I mean, I haven't talked to everybody in district three, but the people I have talked to, they said they like district three the way it is. So, and I guess the question is, do the people in district two, like district two the way it is? So, I'm not sure if we also pull the town councilors to see. The town councilors. Yeah. How they feel about it. I mean, the council are the ones who have to approve the map too. So I think that totally makes sense to get feedback from the councilors as well. I have a question. Do we have to grab special preference to the council or it has to be everybody? I think the counselors have a vested interest. But I think the whole population of almas have to have the same saying, and I think that's a good question. Yeah. I mean, well, I reached out to my counselors just because they also, they each have mailing lists and things too. And I said, could you please share this information with your mailing lists and things to try to get more feedback from the people in the district? What I heard from some members is they were concerned about. The fact that large voter turnout and low. Few representatives with a larger voter turnout. So the fact that they both doesn't count the same. From some people I heard was that. I agree that works both ways, but I think that's some other concerns. Speaking of a resident of, you know, South Amherst, I'm not crazy about the idea of having the two most highest voter turnout districts at precincts together because I just feel like I'm underrepresented and thinking about, for example, if we put 10 and four together on Tracy's map, that's like, how many students is that? That's a huge, because you have, you have entire Southwest plus that little block of just to the east of 10. That map has fewer, that map has fewer students than in your district because it doesn't include Commonwealth College dorms. So 10 is the same on both of our maps. Right, right, right. But when combining those two together, like 10, my map, I put 10 with, you know, you know, I don't want to use your districts with my map. Yeah, that was so. Anyway, all of which is to say that it just doesn't, as a resident of South Amherst, I'm a little concerned about putting seven and eight together or my map three. I guess it's also seven and eight. Yeah. But then if you, if you don't put seven and eight, you need to put seven either with five. And I guess the question is, would you want six and eight to be together? And then six and eight together is huge. Yeah, it's also not good. I know. I mean, that's really, I mean, that's what I was wondering before is if you think that there's like a lot of lower density areas, but like going all the way from East Amherst all the way through like all of South Amherst is a giant, giant area. Well, and what if you put together for your map, four and seven together and five and eight together? Well, so right. So the issue is with the Commonwealth college dorms, as you could put 10 with nine, like 10, like 10 can only connect with nine or four. Right. I mean, and then you have Southwest and the dorms and that, I think you would, you're not covering a lot of town you could cover. Like you are covering some of your, the neighborhoods near Wildwood school. And you're including the neighborhoods near triangle street, like near the school, but it's a pretty small. That would be a very small geography in terms of where people are actually living because precinct nine includes my precinct nine includes Wildwood school, the middle school and the high school and the dorms. Right. So in terms of like how many, how much space people actually living on, it's not very large. Tresa, careful with the language. The most people live in the dorms. No, no, I mean, just in terms of, I understand. Yeah, I agree. So you can go always go back to my map. I was completely. I'm tempted actually tempted. I would change the southern part for your, it was very innovative. It changes. So my map, what it mainly did, it was changing all the southern part into three north south districts, precincts. Those were aligned. They were splitting. It was splitting. Eight. Six, eight. And seven. Together with five into north south. Precinct. I mean, I, I appreciated how innovative it was. It's just like, I think that having, having a map. I mean, Peggy's map has, you know, 80% of the precincts. The same in mine has 80% the same. And it just, it might be too radical to get through the council in three weeks. So that was, I was one of them. As long as it can be justified with the issue about voter representation. That that would be a way of. So, so, I mean, one question, right? So on Peggy's, on the map. Two. So one thing with map two is it includes, it has dorms in six of the precincts. So, because it doesn't include that section in that southern part. Like that goes as my kid highlighted earlier, that goes down to that one census block of the dorm. And that in the current, I mean, I don't know if it's a big difference, but in the current sue had mentioned that like precinct one currently doesn't have dorms. But essentially that's how it works. And that's how it works. That could be two. Yeah. It's a, it's a person one. Essentially you have all the complexes that essentially. As you say, private dorms, it's right. It's true. So that one has. And even prison three also has, because it has several of the complexes with high density. Of students. So I think whatever you have. So I think in this maps, I think the one that the precincts, they don't have. Dolls, but they still. It's. Five. No, it's a nine. No, eight. That's the. Eight. It has a hamster. That's it. Yeah, but Hampshire college at this point, the amount of students that they have is the same amount as one. It's one of the buildings on prison one, one of the complexes there. Has the same amount of students. One as Hampshire college. Yeah. So. Just noticing the time. Yeah. So we can go. You have a comment also. Peggy and then Craig. Well, I, I, I think. We had some comments early on in the discussion tonight. From our student members who indicated because the students. Are as, as it was pointed out a couple of minutes ago, a very transient. And don't typically stay any one place more than a year. That are our constant discussion about the student dorms and that is. Become somewhat irrelevant. Because they, they're not going to vote. By and large. And so consequently what we need to do is, is. As we've discussed. Is pair them up with. With. Precincts that are going to vote to make a district. And. And yes, the precincts that are going to vote are going to be the dominant. Feature there. Unquestionably. But. That's life in Amherst. And it's becoming more so over time. Particularly with the new dormitories. In the center of town now. And it's going to be interesting 10 years from now to try and figure out where. People are voting, but. At the moment. I think we've got a lot of. Those precincts that actually vote and pair them up with the non-voting ones. And if we're going to pick. A map to start working. From and maybe make adjustments. My. Sense is that Peggy's map. Version three. Is the easier one to make minor adjustments to. That's just my opinion. Great. I agreed. I think my comments are about the students is actually about the voter turnout and about the number of. For representatives that people that will run and run for government. That's the, the issue that we don't want them. We don't want precincts on districts that are going to be 80% per year. That's just my opinion. I agree. I think my comments are about the students is actually about the voter turnout. That's just my opinion. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I think some districts that are going to be 80% or 70% students. As much as possible. So that we. Try to ensure. That there is going to be. Representation in the. Council. Council. The districts are going to be. You need to have enough people that they have a pool of people that are willing to run for office. Right. Right. So if you have very few. Register voters. You're going to have even less people. Running for office. So that's why. That's the major issue. Tracy. So one of the things is that in terms of getting. Public input. I mean, it sounds like we've had each had, you know, some people talk to us about. The current draft configurations. But our press release only went out on Friday. Right. And the maps only went out to the public. In terms of like public being able to access them from town hall today. And so, I mean, I'm not trying to delay a decision about which map we take. But, but I was wondering if it is possible at this stage, just as. To wait another week into society. Dominant map to take and maybe, you know, I can look, I can think about how to change my map or if Peggy wanted, could change hers a little, but just, just to get more feedback because we're only, you know, one group here. Right. We only have. We only have one group here. We only have one group here. We only have one group here. We only have the members on this committee and like we have the whole town of Amherst. And so. And even to hear from counselors and from people in the different precincts and districts about. You know what people are thinking and which map might more represent. Would work better for them. Right. I mean, and really. So we could just use the time to sort of explore the two maps. I think that's a good decision next week. Thank you. I also feel like this is the, this is the time to try to get input from the public. And it may be, you know, we've, we're going ahead with these two maps. They're actually quite similar as, as people have. Noted. And that makes me a little uncomfortable. I wish we were sort of putting out a couple of maps that were really different. I know, I know. I'm sort of regretting. We put up a third map or something. I don't know. It just feels like now is the time when really getting some sense from Amherst, from Amherst residents, not just the people in this room. Is what we need. Is it, you know, and then, so I would agree that we wait for a week before we decide on one to go further with it. And we actually have that time, right? Because we need to have something to present. To the council on the 13th, and we want to have written something by then we can start writing. Before we even have the very final version of the map. So I say we, we do as much as we can to try to get some feedback. And people should feel, I think feel free to keep tweaking. You know, I'll tweak mine, Tracy can tweak hers and everybody else can tweak anything. And maybe I don't know. I mean, should we show this map too is like an alternative scenario? I mean, Yeah, I'm a little concerned that the state will object to Irana's map because of the shape of the precincts. But I love that it looks really different. And so. I'm sorry to interrupt, but arena didn't. Didn't we include your map. As a map. This one, it was a different version. It was a narrower. For precincts. Five. So this is B. So it wasn't, it had another portion at the center. Okay. Okay. They had raised a question about that one because it was a wider one. And my, I did it as I get as an exercise of completely different and trying to create. We could justify it. I think by afterwards creating the districts showing that the districts actually afterwards would not be. Right. So finger that you could create. The configuration. Right. So I think if we, if we do retain these, I think we also should. I know Peggy's map has a district configuration, but there probably are a couple of different combinations. So should we also. Add the various. District combinations that are possible because I think, you know, for thinking about districts, people probably would want to know. What district would I be in? And to read and just another thing to react to. Yeah. I think. We should. Everybody can work on different identities and configurations. I don't know if we want to separate that. Like we split the work among all of us and a couple of people work on different maps, trying to come with different configurations. So we don't all work on the same. Peggy. I just, I just want to, it's maybe rewriting what Marilyn said, but I think the important piece here is the districts. So when we put out a map. With precincts, I think we just, we need to emphasize to the public and to the counselors and to anybody else we talked to that. That really looking at this, you need to think about which. What the pre, what the districts would look like. How are you going to pair the precincts. And have it work out because. In the end, that's what counts. Tracy. So, I mean, I'm not going to, you know, I'm not going to, I'm not going to, I'm not going to, I'm not going to be able to do that. Tracy. So, I mean, so I had a few different. District potential district configurations for the map that I had drawn and. And I mean, I'm happy to add like a district level to my map. I mean, I do think that it is important with any of the maps we put out for people to also think about alternative. The same map. In terms of the precincts, right? So, I mean, that's one reason I didn't. Look at the districts yet, because like, for example, with South Amherst, I really wanted to hear. From more South Amherst people about. Particularly like in. What they're thinking was like, is it important? I mean, I raised this question with a couple people from South Amherst I met with and. It seemed like way too kind of daydish and wonky ish for them to think this is where I vote. This is what I'm focused on and stuff and. But I mean, just to, you know, ask them like how, you know, if we change it, if we keep it the same, like, what does it mean? What do you think is more important? And so that was why I didn't put precinct. I mean districts on my map yet though I could do that. If that's something that we think is really important. I was just kind of keeping it internally about what I thought the. Configurations might be. And there's only a few I think that would work. So is there a way. If we create thinking about process, if we create. Now based on. These two maps and I can play. If you guess, let me play with mine about districts. Just as a radical version. That how we create a folder. With all the maps that is clear for people to access, because we if we. If on each version that we have a two or three versions. So districts. We're going to have. We're going to have four, six, nine maps for people to look at. What do you think about like multiple page PDFs? So it'd be like map one. Map one. And then there would be like three pages for the three different district scenarios. So that would keep it one PDF in the, in the, in attachment, but there'd be multiple pages for the different. And people would realize that right. It's the same map with like a different district. Okay. And maybe on the title to put. Possible. District. And maybe we could label them like a B and C or something. Sure. Yep. No, that I like that idea a lot. And that would give people something to respond to you to. To see it visually. And then instead of calling map to version three, put, put the date maybe. It's in the bottom, but yeah. So I would label them so that it's okay. So these are the maps on 931 or. And then. So that. Cardologically, we can know. When they're created. And it's easier to identify. So in Mike, before you came, like there was a quest to make sure that the, when the maps are printed. I mean, I guess there's a question for the community about how many maps we would want to have printed out, like large scale where people can look at them. Like it's important to have the maps with the districts printed out large scale. I think it's more important to bring with the present at this point, because we haven't decided any of the districts. Okay. The precincts. People, I think we'd be worried about borders and then we can look at the combinations. But because I don't think we complete. Yeah. I don't know how everybody feels. Anyway, the comment Mike was just to make sure it says very clearly draft. Like any of the maps at town hall that they're not official. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. Oh, so I just had another. I mean, we had talked about it at the beginning of the meeting just about how do we want to, um, catalog. And, you know, keep track of public comments that we do receive. Like as a committee, you know, if people are sending an emails or if we have anybody come to our meetings, like do we want to have some kind of master document that has. The comments that we receive and also, you know, our, if a member of the public rights, for example. And they don't attend our meeting. So we can't, you know, we're not responding to them in person. Is that. Would like the chair follow up or how would we handle that? Just to make sure one, both stick. To be able to tell the council how many people we've heard from, but then also. Um, just to keep track ourselves. I don't know how other committees do. I would prefer if anybody receives any public comment to upload it. That is not going to be here to, I've been sending it so that it's published on the package. I don't know if we can make a sub directory that is public comment. So I'm fine in one place on the, if anybody gets an email to forward it so that it gets. Added as public comment within the packet. So it's part of the material that we discussed. In the meeting. I can do that. Some committees, what they do, they start scrolling the text at the beginning of the meeting. And I never find that. Very easy to follow. I don't know what's the feeling. I mean, maybe we could put them at the, at the meeting where they're discussed. And then also just as we've done with some of the other materials, like that we would be accessing them across meetings, just to have like a public comment folder or something. Just to have a second copy. So somebody could just see where, wherever you receive public comment. Mike. So I just, I know we're getting close to the end. So I just kind of want to think about. So I spent time last week loading maps into the interactive map. And then I think people worked with them a little bit, but then. You know, late. Into the, in the weekend, early weekend, early week this week, you know, I got an update from Peggy and an update from Tracy. So the, the, the layers that I loaded in last week are kind of, they're out of date already. They aren't even working maps that I think we're going to be working towards. So my question for everybody is. Should I take these two maps right here and load them into the interactive map? Or should I wait until are you folks are Peggy or Tracy, are you going to maybe reconfigure a little few things here and there? And I should wait for those revisions. Before loading things in or. On my end, I would, I would look at it again today, but I, I don't, I would wait until like tomorrow or something. I could give you something tomorrow if I have any changes. I don't see myself making many changes. Like maybe just a few blocks or something. So. And likewise, I don't think I'm going to be making any changes in the next day or two. So you could feel free to load this one in and I will not send you something on Monday night. Like 12, no. It was Tuesday morning at 12, 53 a.m. Yes. And I apologize. You're a saint, Mike, and I really appreciate Mike is the same. Yeah. What you're doing. Well, what, what I think is important is, you know, to take this data and to throw it in the interactive map. And I took, I don't know if you guys talked about it, but I took the precinct boundaries on the map and I loaded them in as the colors that you see here as the interactive map. But I also threw them in just as an outline of what you're precinct so that you could turn on the demographic layers and start to see like, Oh, hey, what were you saying? I did that. Yeah. Are we, are we looking at, you know, splitting up a group of people here or there? I mean the layers I ended up using were the outline layers. So I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if we need to put in the whole layer too. Yeah. Yeah. I used the outline layers and the demographic. Okay. Then yeah, that makes it even easier that I can just, I'll just put the outlines up. Great. So I think the, the, for the next item of the journey, nice timeline and next steps that we've been talking about that. So again, timeline. So we need to submit everything. I'm going to keep repeating and so that gives us. Two and a half meetings, maybe. So next meeting we definitely need to have. I think an agreement. By the end of next meeting, my vision would be that we need to have more or less an agreement and start drafting. The material to submit. And even if there's going to be some changes, I would hope that we'll have one years to start putting together the information so that we can start. Working on that. Trace one second. I think that was it. But we need more input. From. People. And this. Okay. Tracy, you want to make a comment? Oh, my comment was just about the report. I think we can use the same language. I mean, yes, we haven't decided the exact precincts, but we know. You know, we know what demographic changes. What population changes have occurred in Amherst. You know, we could also write up. I wrote up an email. You know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, we could also write up. I wrote up an email to somebody and I explained why we didn't do 15 districts. I mean, 15 precincts and why we did 10. I mean, so, you know, we can have some of that language like that. And we have the opinion of legal and so on. And so I feel like a lot of the document. You know, it's almost ready to be written now, except for. Like this decision about exactly what the boundaries are. I am not volunteering, but I do have sections that I've been like sending explanations to people that I'd be happy to contribute. I'd be happy to read it. I'm on to, I'm on another committee now and the town committee and I'm writing memos for them as well. So I prefer not to write this one, but I can help with it, of course. And it doesn't have to be very long. I think it's like five pages or something. The other report. I'm not certainly will volunteer to help. Not this week. I'm way behind on a lot of things this week, but starting next week. I will. So, so. So I have a suggestion. This week and next week I'm. Here. So Tracy, can you put together whatever information you have in one document? Because I think it's easier to start. Working. If you compile whatever information you haven't. So if you have the, the decision from council also forwarded. So that we start compiling all the information that we have, and we have been discussing in one place. In one document. I don't know if it should be a Google doc because of open meeting. Yeah, I mean, I guess that's a question is. I mean, if we can scan in the old doc, the old report on the 2011 report, right? That, I mean, that, that's almost a template for us. And then we just can update some of the pieces. I think we already have it in the package at the beginning. I mean, it is a PDF and so on. I mean, if somebody, I guess the question is in terms of. I'll convert it for you, Tracy. Yeah, I mean, well, that's not a big deal, but I guess also the extent, like with open meeting law and stuff, the extent to which we're like posting, like if something was going to go in the packet with a bunch of different narrative, is that appropriate to put in our packet? Or, I mean, it's all sort of a draft thing. So, you know, I like, I mean, as you said, it's mainly would be like a Google doc or something where people are like interactively working with it. I'm not sure that it's ready. Oh, no, what I'm saying is everybody could have whatever information or in separate document. And then compile all the documents together. I think that would work with open meeting. I mean, maybe we create a folder and we call it, you know, material for report or something. And then if I have a piece of narrative, I could put it in there or something like that. Does that make sense? Yeah, you can forward. This is how we did it with the rank choice. We forwarded it all through. If you remember Peggy, we forwarded everything to Tanya and the chair. I mean, we said a draft could go out to everybody via email. The comments could only go back to Tanya. Not to the chair. No. Okay. So we could do it that way, but so, so anybody could send pieces out to everybody. You just can't comment on it until either, either comments go to Irina or they go, you bring them to the meeting. Okay. I would prefer if we bring them to the meeting because this, I cannot this week, or if there's any other volunteer that. Wants to compile the information because I cannot this week. I'm, I'm scared I'm going to lose the comments. So I think Sue, maybe one thing is if we create a folder, you know, that's like materials for a report or something, we could start to populate that and it could just be pieces. And then. Then when we get to write to the report, it's going to be simple because there's going to be already pieces written over there. Thank you. I mean, if anybody had time, for example, to go through the 2011 report. And to make an outline and to just sort of out, you know, to highlight what we need to change or something. If anybody wants to take that on, that would be awesome. Yeah. Yeah. I could do that as long as I had a word document. To, you know, I mean, if I had a word document of the last. Of the final report of the committee. I could. I could do that. I think. So we know that exists. So we have to come. No, so Mike said he would take the PDF and he would give it to us back in word form. Thank you. Did I really say that? I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Thank you. No, we'll stop telling you to make new maps. So. So I just want to, can I jump in for a sec? Yeah. So I'm making a folder for public comments. I'm a sub folder under. Just under all the meetings like we have for reference materials. And then I'm going to make a folder for materials for. For our report. Now. I can post things to that. I mean, if people want to, you want that up online. So you'll have to send it through me. That's fine to town clerk. I can do that. And I'm going to add the town council's decision as well. I'll add that up with that in the materials for reference. Right. And the public comment, can it be by dates? If by the week, so that to be read. So it's somebody sends between today. And next meeting it should go for with the data from next meeting. I'm thinking. I guess I was thinking, can we. Yeah, I guess. If the files each have the date on them, that would be helpful. But then for our meeting packets, if we could have the new public comments in the meeting packet, but then also copy to the public comment package. So we just, we would have a record of like where they all are. Sort of like what you've been doing now, right? So you like, you've, you've uploaded some to the reference and some to the. Yeah. So thank you. Thank you. So. We have a timeline. So on the items not anticipated before I wanted to bring something that was mentioned for publicity, maybe we could have Amherst media to broadcast this meeting. To link it. So the link is in the chat. And then might be see about. Yeah. Yeah. I just started. Sorry. Multi-tasking. Can we ask Amherst media? So I think you're the person to ask. Can we ask Amherst media to broadcast this meeting and how the committee would feel like. So it's up to you all as the committee and then you all would have to send a request. Yeah. And there's different ways of doing that for Amherst media to broadcast because you're not talking about a live broadcast. You're talking about a recorded broadcast. So they can make it available on their YouTube channel, which is often accessed just like the town's YouTube or the town's website. Required and come to, yeah, and understanding with them would government channel. So that would give more outreach to the community potentially. But yeah, a letter would have to come from you all and probably the town manager. My name. I'm just thinking, you know, since people can lie, you know, they can watch our meetings live. They can go to the recordings on the town website. Is that, is it redundant? And do we think we're going to get more viewers going through ACTV? Unless we use ACTV to publicize our meetings and directed people to the Zoom links from the town. So Marilyn, both. We could use the press release. You could create a very short slide that would work in rotation on Amherst media asking for public input. Many organizations do this, both, you know, school district and other community organizations. And it would have the information to send in public input and where to go. Use that service, which Amherst media has. The other is that, yes, if it's in rotation in terms of programming content, it does get more views because there are people, particularly people who are involved with town government and engaged with those issues, they watch Amherst media during the day. So those are two different ways of doing it. Of course they can access it through town hall. But there is still quite a few people that go to Amherst media out of habit or out of not having access as much as we, you know, privilege folks think of, you know, we're online and we're using our computers. Everyone in this town, not all residents have that capability or utilize that capability. And so turning on their television and having government shows, their rotation does help for them to engage on some level. So it's totally up to you all, but it would be a media. Does that answer your questions, Adina? It would be accessed by a computer, but as you indicated, it will be part of the rotation so people can just turn their television on and we'll be able to see it. So that makes sense. I mean, I think if that's a way that, if some people access it that way, that helps get the word out. No, I think that's fine. And then, I mean, and you had mentioned too about the bitly links. So, you know, if there are going to be new maps created, I don't know if you would it make sense for you to create the bitly links and then you'd be tracking all of them or should we each do them on our own? It's just kind of fun to meet a track information like that. But it's anyone, anyone could make the bitly links. Mike could make the bitly links. The point is, the point is, Marilyn, just to complete what you had asked about. If there is someone that wants to create, let's say, a graphic representing your group with contact information, I think it would be to your advantage in terms of soliciting input from the community and have in rotation on Amherst medias. And what happens is that both the people who are tuning into one of the three channels, it's in rotation, then it is available on the website. So, they can go to the streaming part of Amherst media on the website. So, it would be useful, free advertising, so to speak. We consider it a service to the public. I wish we had done it before. Well, it's not too late because you could just create a graphic, it doesn't have to be fancy. They will actually help you. Again, that's why Amherst media, the awesome Amherst media, they will actually help you create that graphic to make sure it's the right JPEG size to show properly on the television. So, it would just take one of you, you know, I could help, but I would need the information that you want posted. We could go from the press release and start there. But we're talking about, like when I say a graphic, something like how you would create in PowerPoint, let's say, or a slide. Yeah, I think if it's going to be in rotation, it has to be very sparse on information, because you want people to be able to read it and grab them. Right. Now, what would be the procedure to get this? You mentioned a letter from us and the town manager. Is there any particular warning that we have of just requesting that the meeting is broadcast? Yeah, finding out if it's at all possible to have these broadcasts on Amherst media on the government channel. I think it would be appropriate to come from you, Irene and Sue, you know, as a request. Okay. I mean, the thing is, we're contracted, Amherst media is contracted every 10 years with the town, and they're contracted to deliver a certain number of hours of government shows. And we always do much more than we're contracted to do. So, you know, but it's always helpful, you know, to treat them kindly and make a formal request. Okay. So, I can work on an email to send, and we have to figure out how to get the town manager also on the email, and maybe I can work with you in creating a slide, and somebody else wants to create a slide. Maybe Tracey, you want to work with me on a slide? All it is is like taking the stuff off the last press release, which has the contact information. We would, you know, this committee would like input as we try to look at the next districting maps, whatever you want to say, but something, you know, two or three lines that fit on a slide, contact info, this is where you could submit input. That's it. Yeah, I can work with you on that. Yeah. Thank you. I mean, to the question, the reason I brought up the Bitly links thing is just to the question of, you know, if the meeting materials are in the packets, right, and people click on the packet, they're not tracking them through the Bitly's. We're, we're just tracking them. I mean, I don't know, Mike, if the town tracks Lincoln, like who clicks on what or how many people click on different materials to see Mike, do you guys know? I don't know off the top of my head. So what it is, Mike, we were talking earlier. Yeah, we were talking earlier about how I put the maps, the older versions in a Bitly. And then it ended up being like 65 within one week. And then for one of the maps and then another map, it was like 80 something. So it's just kind of to when it's useful, even, you know, popular map or the most, you know, click on the center and gather data. If your your package document were put into something like a Bitly or a Query Clip Code, does the town make those? You know what a QR code is? Yeah, we do. They, we find that those don't get used very often. The QR codes. It's the demographic. Okay. So, but a Bitly would because a Bitly is a short, it's a short website address that you can track. So it's just up to you all. I'm more concerned about you all doing a slide because I think that that would enable you to get the word out to get some input. So I'd be glad to help with that. If Tracy, you want to help me. Okay. So I, Tracy, I just had a few like housekeeping items related to the meeting. One was we talked about when the maps, the large maps are printed, like having some kind of public comment form or something that like somebody of something, somebody physically could submit to, is that something. There's some in the town. I mean, as you said, it can even almost be like a pad of paper or something. Is there something we want to have like a little, you know, I could make like a little half sheet of paper or something where people could comment if there's not something that town already has for that. Nope. Do you have anything like that? Not really, but I mean, it's something simple. Like you said, and we can, it's the maps are on the wall and there's a table right under them. So I can just sit right on the table. Yeah. I mean, we could have a little stack and people could drop it off to you or a little basket or something. That would be great. And then of course, like we could just scan those in and have those like in the e record for the So Sue, do you all have those big sticky pads? Like you have during meetings, you know, like a big post-it note. Have you seen those? They're used for meetings, like big and you write on them big. They're, they're like a non standard post-it note. It's made for, you know, a group meeting. They go on easels. Yeah. They go on easels. What would be fun? Okay. So, you know, this is my community engagement talking and it's to get people engaged, excited about participating in government, which let's face it, we need it. So having something where people could have like this post-it note with some colorful markers and they could write, you know, their opinions about map one, map two. Yeah. Even, I think even put in a, even a post-it notes there. Some people can write a comment and leave it there. Oh, on the map is good. I mean, Absolutely. It would be nice to have a formal form where if people wanted, they could leave their contact info so we can follow up with them. But, but I also like the creative idea about like engaging people with the map, you know, if people want to comment on one part of the map or another part. I mean, I think the town, like the library, they've done that with the library project with other community planning projects, you know, doing graph park and like they often have these public processes with sticky notes. Right. The climate action plan, they all have that process. Exactly. Exactly. You know, community engagement 101. I mean, I don't know if we need an easel per se, but we could at least have like a pad of sticky notes and people could leave notes on the, on the map if they want, I guess. I mean, the largest sticky notes we have are probably three by six. That would be perfect. That's fine. Yeah. Um, so, and I also had just a housekeeping practical question from Mike and for when we're creating the new map. So I liked your idea a lot about having a one PDF that has like different versions. So it would have, so it would have the, if I send you precincts, right, it would have like map my map with the precincts. And then there could be up to like three different versions of the districts. I think that for any maps that we want to show, we should include the current districts. Well, except for that doesn't really apply to every nice map, quite as much in terms of matching up with the current districts, but just to show people, you know, if we keep the current district configurations with these new precincts, that's one option. And then we could each show like one or two other options. Peggy, does that make sense? Do you, do you see any different possible configurations for your precincts? I actually only like one configuration for mine, but I'm open. No, I only like one for mine, but I mean, you could just show that one. I guess too. You could show that you either keep the current configuration or you said one. Yeah. Okay. So. Okay. Thanks. Thank you. So the last item is public comment. We, I know we have two attendees and I don't know. If they want to make any comment. Raise your hand. There's one. One comment. Yes. I just have one question. This was really interesting. Did you, did you, did you, could you, did you guys talk about districts before. Precincts or did you just start in with precincts? And then you'll decide how to combine them. Marilyn was, was, was mentioning the importance of precincts. I mean districts. And they are, they, they are the most key thing. Peggy mentioned them also. Did you start, you didn't start with districts though, right? No, we didn't start with districts because what limits us are the, we have hard stops on the precincts. There's by the state, we have certain limitations that we have to fulfill. So we started with the precincts, but at the same time, we started with the precincts. So we started with the precincts. One of the maps mine was discarded at some point was. To stay as close as possible to current precincts. And implications that would have for distance. Am I right? I mean, I think we did a little bit of both. Would be my take on it. It's like, it's hard to think about precincts without thinking about districts. So we kind of came out with directions. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Um, potential districts. Well, that's what we're working on for this time. So the map that, um, Peggy had made public has a one version of. Um, Districts with her precincts. And I would, I just want to echo what Tracy said there. I think we really did try to come from it. Come to it from both sides. But because we are legally. Um, I think we really did try to come from it. Um, In some ways that had to take precedence first. Okay. Thank you very much. I mean, the limit is that each precinct can be no greater than 4,000 people. Um, Regardless of the number, regardless of the number of voters, you can't go over it all. And because our population came in at 39,263. Right. Um, So we have spent more time tweaking the precincts than tweaking the districts. Okay. Thank you. So Tracy. I moved to a Joe. I, I hope we can figure out how to, I don't know. I'm not sure how to be more efficient. I hope all of our meetings don't keep going so long. So I agree. all of our meetings don't keep going so long. So I agree. There's only a couple more that we have to Marlene, we need to vote. Yes. Hey, hi. Chesham Gordon. Hi. Tracy Safian. Hi. Craig Meadows. Hi. Peggy Shannon. Hi. My head, get any? Hi. Next Tuesday, right? Next Tuesday. To say six. Six. Okay. Wait a second. I have to check. Yeah. Sure. It's six. Yes. Okay. Okay. Good night. Thank you. Good night.