 Welcome once again to the breakfast on plus TV Africa. Now, let's go to off the press Let's have a quick review of the stories making headlines across Nigeria today. I'm starting with the daily independent Would be sharing that with you on your screen in just a few seconds just before we also introduce our guest The big one on your screen this morning. Yes, there is it says Buhari backs Boonee as forces ask him to quit as chairman stakeholders want tinuble to speak out Masari orders closure of major roads in Kassina to tackle banditry Bands lorries from moving cattle to other states also Nigeria attracts $10.1 billion foreign investments in six months Minister says and also says countries economy getting stronger September 4th a PC local government Congress is or I took that already Labor kicks ahead planned electricity tariff increase and also CBN asks banks to put published names and BVN or foreign or Forex policy defaulters 2021 UTME varsities Polis COEs at Liberty to set cut-off marks says jam May prosecute institutions that violate central admission guidelines No new constitution. No 2023 election a fenifera insists although outlaws open grazing as a career to lose signs bill into law and also telcos lose revenue to slow deployment of 3g and 4g That's on the daily independent. Now. Let's see on the punch newspapers this morning compulsory Vaccination NMA Joe has to kick as federal government threatens sanction You can't force people enlighten them NMA health workers advise federal government and also court stops at do from enforcing the Sanctions on vaccination people who reject vaccine endangerment others rules will be applied says NPH CDA boss Still in the news six to Canada jets cost almost five hundred million dollars says the United States envoy courts other interim for feature of our beardings Beardham aides bank accounts and house and also we all salaries due to Positivity of funds says a career to lose a fenifera tells Nigerians to defend themselves against bandits Fix your cut-off marks jam tells Vasatees and others We can also find on the punch this morning PDP leaders visit Jonathan beck beg ex-president to stay a Few others on the punch this morning open grazing Legos Delta cross river bills pending as deadline ends today Six million electricity customers steal on meter Amid federal government schemes and also Pangas and blames rising cooking gas prices on Forex Out of school children federal government not responsible says oh shimba Joe And also the Nigerian Tribune this morning September 1st anti-open grazing deadline where southern states stand Conflict in court orders CGN summons chief judges of rivers kebby emo. I am brought to other states and Also, or your records vaccinate a vaccine derived polio case Kano has two million drug addicts as NDLE a boss and we can also find here platu military ones residents against self-defense All right, we'll move away from the Nigerian Tribune and quickly get on the stories from the Guardian newspapers this morning Federal government set to sanction Nigerians refused in COVID-19 vaccination Courts restrains or basaki from making vaccination compulsory Edu civil servants get seven-day automaton to get inoculated Jam abolishes own cut-off marks teshir institutions to decide and also states not federal government should be blamed for nations Education wars says oh shimba Joe the vice president Motorcyclists defy automaton take over a Balendi Ikoi axis Still on the Guardian this morning. I carried a little ignores me a tiala signs anti-open grazing law bill rather into law Good morning to a demola King Bola publisher of the podium media. Thank you for joining us Morning. Thank you for having me there. Great to see you. All right. So let's start with the anti-open grazing bill the Rotima occurred a little has of course put that into motion he assigned the bill into law The other southern states of course are still pending What do you think of all of this? Well, we saw it come in the clouds have been gargling for question time really If you remember the southern governments after their meeting that in two months ago So they did say that they were resolute in their opposition to open grazing So the industry government has done what he said it would do by signing it into law And just as we have said earlier on this is something I felt different government who love avoid it This is a needless controversy at should have been avoided a long time before now and The moment you have governments there in the president going different ways And you Because I wonder how development will happen in certain in such a situation So yes, I mean it we knew that it will come to this stage and then for me The certain governance they have studied would do it and they are beginning to carry out their their their their promise So it's okay. It's okay. Each state has absolute control over How it won't grace into be done, and I really don't think Different government should make a fuse as of this. So it's fine It's fine. All right You know is any other point, you know You're seen from the delay of all the southern states to do same as what you make it was done And yeah, I mean it depends on each state as of assembly and the the composition, okay? I can't do it being In Leonard governor himself being a senior governor of Nigeria as well of the courage and probably He's taking it this time to study the loss of the land And he knows that he's on the right course Other governors may be tentative in their approach. Maybe they are not to show that's the best thing to do But ultimately I also know that if you're a government has Behind the same be loving the governance to ensure that this doesn't come to this level, but apparently Anybody can do about it or you see it is going on those it is going I see much is joining very soon. All right moving away from Grazing now let's go to education where there's news across all the papers saying jam has given a teshara institutions Freedom to cut set their own cut-off marks What are your thoughts concerning this? Excellent. That's the way it's done all over the world. Excellent. Each university each put technique Should determine which student is eligible to be enrolled for specific courses. Okay? What job needs to do is to coordinate Yeah, as far as I know In developed worlds Universities they have their own criteria They have admission requirements and they are able to really oversee all of this Okay, what we find Nigeria is that some students they pass jump and they fail post jump Okay, so which means something is wrong somewhere. Okay at the same time I I don't know how jump will do this there needs to be some checks and balances I wouldn't want universities who have absolute control. Okay being who we are in Nigeria the corruption in the Christian sector and all that standards may lose that for that if there isn't any form of check and balances from a central coordinating body but all in all it's a good thing for universities to have more say on Admission requirements and the entire process Yeah, yeah, but but that is there a fear that Some universities in order to you know accommodate more of their students and I'm bringing this up because of the Controversy we've had concerning unity school cut-off marks and you know over time Is there a fear that there might be some universities that might have you know an extremely low? Well, you know reasonably low cut-off mark and eventually not be able to produce good quality Educational good quality, you know students graduates rather Absolutely, and that's why that's why I said I wish you don't give them absolute control. Okay I don't know how this we worked out, but then need to be a central coordinating body that would have a say in the final selection process otherwise universities the standards will go down further if you look at what's happening in private universities Revival techniques. It's it's it's just it's It's so sad Okay, that graduates of the universities Cannot even fit into any private centers and most of them most of them and that's fast from the admission process When you add new students who ordinary should not have been admitted They go through an education system that is compromised and that is not bring up to standard You produce motion graduate Have little or nothing to add to the economy. Okay, so I agree with you that fear is there is real and it needs to be at rest All right, and then you know moving away from education now. Let's talk health. There's of course stories across all the papers Nigeria that you know has done vaccinations of maybe four, you know million the last AstraZeneca was just about four million doses that arrived, but their conversations about Um Sanction in Nigerians who refuse COVID-19 vaccinations and in those states, you know, there's even you know stricter sanctions Asking that people will not be able to get into banks and you know public spaces if they have not been vaccinated Do you think we arrived for such conversations and such sanctions yet? It's preposterous really it's against it's against common sense But I've not seen any country in the world where this is taking place in US in UK and where they have at the quick first things They are not forcing people in Nigeria. Well, you don't even have enough first things So this is a destruction that we don't need. Okay. If comments is really interesting. I think more people Get fascinated. Yeah Moral situation Mobilization encouragement as it is being done all over the world. You can't force people Because it is within the form of fundamental human rights to accept to be vaccinated or not Okay So what you can do is to put my husband place to ensure that public event public places. They are tighter restrictions on who comes in who does not I mean, you are and the other side do it. Are you going to enforce it? Anyway, I go to enforce it I would ask them to Carried a percentage and cut all over the place. So it's something that won Cannot be fully Enforced to it's not necessary in your country. Why you don't even have enough first thing All these energy should be directed towards getting more first into the country Okay, this energy this time that is doing with friendship to be focused on let's get more first things We're going to get them So it is a needless Discussion is a needless threat and I want to believe that some somewhere around the line someone will come on to this Yeah It's against common sense. Yeah, that's how it goes. And of course, I believe that there's more AstraZeneca vaccines that are being Given now as it stands. I think that started sometime this week and also Moderna Vaccines just to put that out there for everyone who is still on vaccinated and would like to get a shot Yeah, but we see we see don't have up to 30 or 40 percent conflict of the population. Do we know we don't know we don't The first about yeah, all right the vice-presidents is in the news. This is on the Guardian It says states not federal government should be blamed for the nation's education Wars and that's coming from vice-president Yamio Shimbajul. Do you think he has a point? He has no point. Unfortunately. He has no point. The boot should be Her responsible first education is on the concurrent list. Okay, which means both state government and federal government They have equal stay in it. So the federal government has been mushrooming universities all over the country If our government is not funding education, why is also going on strike? Is it the business of state governments to fund us? No Universities are not being funded research works are not being funded. So that is the aspect that concern the federal government State governments also they have the state Universal basic education board under their direct supervision What's happened to the funds there? So what was she by the mental see? I mean, I want to believe the one should have said was that state governments who are can't For the funds that have been directed to super. Okay Primary education is so primary second education is solely under the control of the states. So whatever I was there The state government should be responsible, but further universities the federal government has full responsibility So both the federal government and the state government should be a responsible The best present you don't dodge this shouldn't play politics with this Government at all levels have failed woefully in education management in Nigeria Education is not being well funded a little fund that I've been allocated. I've been diverted for Proposes that's happened to do with education. So look at government state government federal government They are also blame for the panel of it of education in Nigeria today There's something that I mentioned yesterday one of the things that we discussed yesterday with the assault resident in and that was Nigeria's you know interest in education And the interest of the current government to actually invest point education. What do you think? The government is our cars failed and it's still failing to do with regards investment in education Is it infrastructure? That is a challenge or just making, you know education more accessible to more Nigerian kids Over the years you find that Successive governments have always voted more money for defense and Other mundane activities over education education has never gotten a significant portion of the project So one on the following is a big problem to Infrastructure is also an issue of course on the funding results Obviously in poor state of infrastructure poor condition of service Okay Education has had wear and software the hardware the classroom the infrastructure the software the lecturers the teachers Are we taking care of them? No, we're not so government has failed on both sides. We are not building Good infrastructure No wall standards Education infrastructure, you're not taking care of the lecturers. So where is money going to? So on both sides, we're not doing well. We're not doing well at all. I mean Why should I should be going on strike all the time? So government has done well at all Okay, it's not it's not Something I wish you would probably some other thing, you know that I want you to speak on it's not under these this morning But it is the I think it came out yesterday the controversy concerning the CBN Contracting Beats Incorporated a Barbados based FinTech startup to of course be you know a partner for E Naira There's a lot of people who have you know spoken very very seriously against it And you know, I hoping that it be reversed. Do you think you know that we could have done different? Yeah, my mind my own concern is that the process was not open and transparent as in everything Nigeria, okay? We do not know the pedigree of this company We do not know how they got to I mean to the state where they are they were awarded the contract a lot of things happen And within Nigeria that you just see the end result. The process is not transparent. You don't know how they got Take older leadership management is a major issue for most public institutions in Nigeria You want people to support your policies? You want them to implement his policies? You don't ever guide them along. You don't sensitize them. You don't educate them. We don't reorientate them suddenly You announce policies and people begin to suspect people because of wonder where is this coming from? So for me the process is far far from being transparent is far far from being open and the question is do we need them now we don't There's arguments that there's Nigerian FinTech companies that should have been able to do pretty much the same And you didn't need to outsource it There are quite a lot of things that could have done this perfectly And is it when people want to do something that they can't defend they go to the back door Okay, because otherwise this will have been thrown open. It should have been a way to a correct local startups Come through commutative beating if I thought you made a FinTech company Throw it open. Let them beat. Let them go to To the records of of being interviewed and miss cream and everybody will be happy, but hey, it's not it's not on at all Absolutely All right, let's move away from that. Let's go to security now on the daily independent one of the stories there Says is from a governor bill of massering orders closure of major roads in Katzina to tackle bandit ring Bands lorries from moving cattle to other states quickly also share your thoughts on that Yeah, I mean like we said there sometimes it goes if you get to a stage where each state government and Individual would devise the best means to a for security because if I know commit has failed nation In terms of maintaining security So each local government is the government individuals would need to come up with in general ways of ensuring security. So I Support my sorry if he has discovered that that will work Why not at the end of the day? We want results. We want lives to be preserved Okay, so the approach may be on conventional but hey the point at which Nigeria is we need on conventional solutions to tackle the problem of Banditry is so Jesse and all of that. So I mean Governments don't have any moral right to query any statement that decide to take Precationary measures to ensure that lives have been worked out. So, yeah Absolutely, and don't forget the same as I did told us some weeks ago that we should defend ourselves Everybody should go up in hands and we said, oh, no We should have said that but after the failure is also saying that now they're asking people to do to have to defend themselves So what are we changing to us? I'm lucky Absolutely, do you describe it as lazy how the well we have simply just accepted to name these criminal elements bandits Without digging deeper to find out who exactly they are and what exactly they want Because when you give them that name, you know, it's a different case if they are You know robbing people or stealing property But these people don't seem to be taking any property. They are simply Terrorizing and killing people. Yeah They are terrorists. They're not bandits because bandits to say they are bandits is putting it mildly Okay, and and I think Banditry Was coined by the media Okay Let's look at the activities of these guys. Like you said, they kill, they maim, they destroy They don't do this for the money when most time when they kidnap they collect the money and say kill people so they are terrorists And the earlier we upgrade The term that we're using for them the better you keep calling them bandit bandits are just Mayor thieves who loot who steal and don't kill but these guys are killing So they are terrorists their enemies of the state and they should be treated as such so here you are right calling them bandits it is like it's like an Slap them on the wrist Yeah, but it still is difficult to understand because if you if you look at Boko Haram Or iSwap you can you can tell you know from what we've experienced over time that they have a motive They have a reason for their atrocities. I think it was yesterday or two days ago. There was another attack by iSwap But you can tell that there is a reason behind some of the atrocities and the killings that they've committed But bandits, you know, there's there's no actual story behind these persons that we've called bandits There's no leadership either. There's there's no foundation for calling them bandits in the first place No, no, no and and to make to make better was we have coined the underword unknown government Okay, so bandits unknown government. How can how can government be unknown in a serious country where you have all the military institutions Functioning or supposedly functioning. Okay, so it is an organized syndicate. It's an organized terrorist cartel that has won To destroy government activities to maim to kill And i'm surprised that the federal government has not dim it free to declare the state of emergency In plato state in benner state In zamfara state Because until you do that and you rule out the soldiers, you're not going to get to the root of this matter So for now, we are treating these guys with Keith's glove like saying they are bad. They are not bad They are terrorists Okay, and we should stop saying they are unknown government saying the unknown government is like saying The security apparatus has failed. We know it has failed But are we now going to throw our hands in the air and say oh Hey, oh god help us. So yes, there is a mission There's there's there's a vision. There's an organized approach towards this crime and they are being well funded So it it goes above Banditry this is much more is worse than banditry and if we don't see that way That will define the way if our government will really treat them Yes, you will treat them as terrorists if you ask me they are terrorists Hopefully you might come back to this, you know to quickly speak on the state of emergency perspective Let's move on to something else still on the daily independent. It says there the labor kicks ahead of a planned electricity tariff increase The eka edc spokesperson, you know has denied that that you know, that was true But of course, we know the other the way things play out in Nigeria. There's rumors here and then eventually becomes reality What are your thoughts Well, for now, it is still a matter of Conjecture it's it's not been officially announced. So Let's let's hope and pray that it won't come to that But the question is if eventually they go ahead to increase that it what can we do? These companies have been privatized. Haven't they they've been privatized? Okay, when labor was unbounded They they they they cannibalize the part and the handle of never over to all these guys So it's like we've given them the freedom to do whatever they want so In the face of the law, what can we do we can protest we can shout But can we stop them from doing these things? I I I do not think so Well, there is the NERC, you know that I believe should be able to Take a stand, you know, when you know, they might be going overboard Yeah, but let me ask you as the Nigerian communication commission be able to stop the coast from doing all the nonsense they do No the Nigerian Assybians stop banks From starting customers. No in Nigeria. The regulatory agencies exist only on paper By default or by design. They are ineffective And stories are all over the place that most executives of these agencies on the payroll Of the companies they are meant to supervise. That's why they are not effective So the Nigerian electricity revolution and the Nigerian company should Have been proactive about this, but it's like it's just keeping quiet So what I see going on is that I don't know the day the problem will announce an increase of maybe 50% An area I see will intervene to say no break it down to 20% and then the data will see there an increase That has made the pattern in Nigeria And people will think that oh the energy has intervened. They saved us It's it's it's creeped that has been written out And each time this thing plays out they get away with it And you and I the people who are at the receiving end We we we we we we keep holding the short end of his ticket So that's why I started by saying can we even do anything about it? Who is going to save us? Nobody What is going to save the common man Reminds um Reminds me of the Adams to show me ladies as nlc chairman where there's an increment To a particular figure. There's a protest and then it you know comes down but never goes back to To where no way. No way. That's what's going to happen. That's Nigeria for you For price the same thing just wake up. It goes up. Oh, then the negotiate and it's okay So it is creeped that has been carefully written and they are they are following the straight I mean They start by by by By what you call it flying some kites and they allow the Discussions to go on in the public space to gauge the mode of the people They're not asked them to know exactly where to where to fit the price So all right. No new constitution. No 2023 election and that is from a fanny fair It's on the daily independent still bottom right of the page. No new constitution. No 2023 election Mr. Kimbola Yeah, that's the way it should be but you and I know that that's just a sandpipes of a fanny fairy rate I mean, I I I I I have got it tired of people making Statements that they cannot enforce We all know that we can't have a new constitution between now and 2023 Simply because one national assembly that is mandated to do it is not even taking that direction So that that's not going to work And after a very cannot go ahead and work with the nation who there's no new constitution Hey, that's not going to work. That is the desirable thing to do. Okay. That is what I would have love to see In fact, if possible, let's postpone 2023 election until we resolve this constitutional crisis Until we have a constitution that I guess will be proud of But we have a constitution that serves the interests of the people. That is the way it should be But I I like to be realistic most times. I don't see that happening between now and 2023 Or except by by proclamation of national assembly doesn't look there should be no election until we fix the constitution They are not saying that it's not even it's not it's not on the phone for them. It's not important to them Yeah, all right Back to security discussions Now talking about two kind of jets The u.s. Envoy is saying that the six to kind of get jets cost almost 500 million dollars. Mr. Kingbola That's a lot of money and and you know why I'm pointing that out is because you know We still have a lot of investments that we should have been able to put in with regards fighting insecurity here in Nigeria Do you as as much as I know that we need those jets do you know that with one tent of that money We can reduce significantly the level of insecurity in Nigeria If you pump that money into local vigilante groups Arm them motivate them. We will achieve a lot These criminals believe in our midst They don't they don't they are not spirits, right? They are human beings who are known to some people Okay, if we are able those jets will not come And fight on the ground, okay so Of that money one tent of that money if we deploy it effectively Into providing welfare Hamming the emphasis we will achieve a lot Because I do not know what we are going to achieve by spending all that money to have those jets All the air force jets that we have I've never been dropping from the sky To the point that even one of them was shorter my book or not It it's it's it's a nice thing to have but can we afford it? Can we afford it? Finally, and yes, okay. All right, fine. Finally This one is pretty much has been all over the news since yesterday And it is caught judgments for sale the nba president Olu midi akbata Criticizing, you know lawyers and judiciary officers who have basically been helping politicians by caught judgments The cgn also summoned six chief judges or six judges of six different states To have a meeting with him Mr. King, well, what's the challenge without judiciary? Why are we having? You know one, you know case having multiple, you know caught judgments Did I judge judiciary is not insulated? from the corruption that has Um That has consumed virtually all the public sectors. Okay Judges are human beings They are vulnerable to being compromised And that's what's happening Okay, so what is a cj going to be telling them that what you are doing is wrong stop doing it Those guys was they was telling yes, we've heard and they will go back We've always known that justice in Nigeria is for the IS bidder. That's that's not news. We've always known Even at the lowest level If you go to the magistrate court at the lowest level You see cases being adjudicated In some very funny ways That suggests that money has changed hands the same thing at the IS level Most politicians when they steal money They have a sizable amount allocated for litigation Because they know but is is there is there anything that the cj and can actually do I mean Would you expect judges to be sanctioned if we if we lived in a society where The nba and this of course the Nigerian judicial council wear serious bodies Would you expect judges to be sanctioned regularly when these things are spotted? Definitely remember two or three years ago when judges were being arrested We all shouted. Oh, this is human rights abuse Each time we are on the verge of Breakthrough in Nigeria. We allow sentiment and emotion to toward such efforts okay Judges who have been arrested because there was Very strong evidence against them that were receiving bribes But we all the main noise that thing it died down and now we are the visitors Okay, so the national judicial council If there are these issues of Nigeria should come up with a strategy whereby corrupt judges should be sanctioned They should be not just dismissed. They should be tried for corruption Yeah, but the question is how do you get them? How do you spot them? Because everything still remains. Oh It has been done the way of evidence until we have people who can I mean we should blow us To focus on the judiciary Okay, and there should be sanction Until we have proof or evidence. We just continue to complain that yes Justice has been bought and sold but there's nothing anybody can do about it Yeah, but I think I would also judge before we go Um in reaction to you know what you mentioned about judges houses being you know doors been broken down I think it was the approach of the way or man manner that was carried out that got criticism It wasn't because anyone was actually defending the judges It was the way it was carried out and we've also had similar conversations on many other cases Where the Nigerian? I don't of the day we threw away the baby with the bath water We didn't like the way the houses were being invaded. We didn't like the approach But it was still left for the Nigerian government to show reasons Why that was done and show proof to Nigerians that these people were actually corrupt till now We still haven't seen any of these people found guilty of corruption or sentence What was the formative justice that was emulated out of office there was proof the code of conduct Uh tribunal showed proof against the formative justice. We forgot him and the guy was asked to leave Wow One second. Well, if we want drastic solution, we must be ready to take a drastic approach Nothing good comes easy my brother. Nothing good comes easy Nigeria is an institution whereby we need to be brutal We need to be brutal. I love the rule of law. I love the supremacy of the law But Sometimes you need you need to put it aside to achieve Your long-term objective. Nigeria is bleeding my brother. No, not a lot of people will agree with that You know because there's there has to be respect for the rule of law and the constitution and Unless we have systems that make sure that you can't beat You know being being caught, you know, when you when you fail then we're going to continue to use this very very You know the crude means For justice is pretty much the same thing we've complained about with Nigerian police Arresting people regularly simply because they they look fraudulent or they smell fraudulent And you know, eventually there's no case. But anyway It's a totally different conversation We'll get there one day Hopefully They were lacking. Well, thank you very much. I enjoyed speaking with you in the mornings. Have a great way. See you ahead. See you man. Thank you. All right Good morning. Once again, thanks for staying with us on the breakfast We'll take a very short break when we come back. What happened on this day in history I'll be telling you about a kidnapping that led to the loss of more than 300 lives in russia And of course down here in Nigeria some persons were sacked for coming late to work that comes up next