 Hello and let's talk about Safura Zargar getting bail in the cases regarding the riots in Delhi. The 27-year-old activist who is 23 weeks pregnant was arrested on April 10th and is charged under the Draconian Unlawful Activities Prevention Act. The police claim that she was involved in a conspiracy that led to the riots in Delhi in February in which 53 people were killed. Zargar is a member of the Jamiya Coordination Committee which was in the forefront of organizing protests against the CAA, NRC and NPR. She was denied bail three times earlier. Safura's case is only one of the many that point to a larger web that is being viewed by the Delhi Police in connection with the riots. There is the case of Natasha Narval and Devangana Kalitha of the group Pinjarathode who also been booked under the UAPA. Earlier, there was a report of police claiming that the student activist Umar Khalid was involved in a meeting to cause trouble during Donald Trump's visit to Delhi. Incidentally, this so-called meeting took place much before there was any news of Trump visiting Delhi itself. And now reports have emerged that prominent activists such as Harsh Mandir and Yogendra Yadav are also named in the chart sheets related to the violence. Thus, according to the Delhi Police, a number of activists who called for peaceful protests and others involved in those protests, many of whom were Muslims, were all in some way involved in the riots in which the majority of those affected were also Muslims. And as for BJP leaders like Kapil Mishra who were on record making provocative speeches, there is well silence. We spoke to journalist Varsha Singh on the bail in the various cases that filed in connection with the riots. Here's what she had to say. Thank you Varsha for joining us. So we saw yesterday that Safoora Zargar was given bail. The court was very clear that this was not a precedent. It was not we treated as a precedent, it was purely on humanitarian grounds. And over the past few days, we've seen news about a lot of others being implicated in this case. Now this includes prominent activists, this includes people with links to political organizations. So we see that a very wide web is being created for lack of better words. So how do you evaluate what has been happening over the past few days? Thank you Prashant. And what I feel that yesterday the way Safoora Zargar who was part of Jamiya which was leading a very important movement in India that was against the New Citizenship Amendment Act, she was arrested and yesterday she was given the bail. And there was a huge movement persuasion to release her on bail because she was, as we know that she's pregnant. And with a complication, she has a pregnancy and that's why if you see how the court has come out that it is just on the humanitarian ground. So that also they made very clear that the rest of the people who have been arrested be it the woman activist of the Punjab, be it Natasha or Devayanga and many more, we have seen Meeraan Haider, whoever was the face of anti-CEA protest, Anti-Citizenship Amendment Act protest, finally they have been framed and taken to custody with the connection with the communal violence which happened in Delhi. And the list is very long. So far also we don't know who all are going to be involved in it because it's a daily evolving thing. If you see that it's a very strange process which is happening across us and that's also happening in the national capital. That now you have Yogan Yadav who is a well-known face in the political circle and academic and leading a political party who has been contesting the elections also. And he was very vocal and his all speeches during this movement which started in the national capital in the end of 2019. So you have Yogan Yadav, he has been implicated, his name is there. We have Harsh Mandar's name is there who is also a well-known activist and who has been working on a lot of issues along with the communal harmony and peace and all that. So what we find that there is a larger design which is taking place and the epic center of that design is national capital. It's a different from the Bhima Kuregaon thing which we have seen before where our incident happened in Maharashtra. And then the web has spread across the country and we find that those who are directly connected or not connected be it Gautam Nolaka, be it Anantel Tumde. All those who are very known face in the civil society in the academicia have been implicated. But this time what is the design and which is very dangerous sign for all of us is that now for this communal violence, those who were involved directly, whose videos are there, whose speeches are there, be it Kapil Mishra who is a very well-known face of BJP in Delhi. His speech is on record, his tweets are on record and the way he was moving around the national capital and raising the slogan, Goli Maro Salonko Deshke Gaddaronko that means that you shoot all the people who are traitors. And his speech at the Zafrabad police station and the whole place is all on record. But so far we don't find that all these names or all those names who are very much in the public domain, they are not even included in the charge sheet. They are not a part of the legal process which the Delhi police, at least for the sake of doing something justice or some, you can say that to pretend that they are neutral, they should have done. But we find the entirely other way that those who are working for the relief work also, be it Yogendra, be it Harsh Mandar. As a journalist, I went to all these places where the Delhi was burned and it was a design, it was a designed attack. It was not as all of sudden it happened and as we know national capital lost 53 Indian citizens in this violence and majority are Muslims, majority are Muslims. This whole area is minority dominated area where the violence happened. And what we find that now what the Delhi police and the administration is coming out, the home ministry is coming out, that basically it was Muslims who killed themselves. If you go through the whole logic which is being built behind this charge sheet, if you read it's a very lengthy charge sheet. But if you read it, the whole design which is coming out that it was basically the Muslims who themselves thought to kill themselves, burn their properties because that's how it is being whole framed. And it has been linked to the NTCA protest, Anti-Citizenship Amendment Act protest where there is no link so far because you also live in Delhi and you must be hearing the whole movement. And many people were going as a journalist also reporting there. So at that time there was no link. Basically these were the people who were trying to make a peace, to make a relief to distribute the food, distribute the clothes. And now what you find that from Safoora Zargar to Miran Haider to Natasha and the list is very long. All those people who were initially raising their legitimate voice, constitutional voice against one act of the central government, they have been finally framed and now there is a whole process of taking a revenge. The state is taking a revenge from those people who were raising their voice. Majority who have been framed are Muslims, be it activists like Safoora Zargar who was a very well-known face of the Jamia Milia movement. Because as we know that the whole movement of the Shaheen Bagh started when the Jamia, there was an attack on the Jamia students by the police. Then the Shaheen Bagh women who just live nearby to the Jamia University, they came out to protect their children who were studying there. So this is the whole chronology. I am just explaining in detail because it's very necessary to repeat again and again what happened and how the state is now presenting the whole case in the other way. So that's a very dangerous precedent and I think that the way they have just been pointed to some of the very known civil society persons like Yogendra or Harsh and they are saying that many more are there. It's still not closed. It's an open thing and if you find that initially the Charsheet, these names were not there. The initial Charsheet, these names were not there and this other plus others, 17 plus. So this is a very, you can say that they are later thought when they thought that it looks like. We can't say anything because we are not an investigative agency. We can just say and report from outside what the apprehensions are but the apprehensions are very clear because the moment the way it is going on, the way they have implicated Harsh and there was a huge, I read the whole Charsheet in that it is being said and many of the journalists were there when Harsh was speaking at the Jamiya gate. I was there and at that time also he was saying that there is a need of peace. He was talking about Mahatma Gandhi and all the things that we have to build up the movement and the people have to come on the street. But you see the way it has been twisted and turned and now we find that for the killing of our Delhi constable, all these names are there. So which is very weird that how this case is being built. At least a little relief is there that Safura is out but the way, even the judiciary is coming out with their comments and initially also when it was said in the court about the Safura. That she was not directly involved, she was just in the Jamiya. Then the way the observation of the judge has come that if you play with the fire, then if you are on burn. So this whole is a set narrative in which this whole case is going and I think it is testing of the waters this Indian intelligence and the Delhi police is doing. The same way they have done with the Bhima Coregaon because I find a huge similarity between both cases. The way it was designed and later the names were added and the names of the people who have never gone to Bhima Coregaon who are not even the supporters of Bhima Coregaon incident where there is a Dalit upsurge of identity. Because I had a personal talk with Anantail Tumde also before and he was saying that he has a strong reservation about the whole movement of the Bhima Coregaon. And irony is that now when we are talking Anantail Tumde is inside bars. He is in jail for the same case, same for the Gautam Nolakhha. So the same way we find that Yogendra be it Yogendra or be it Harsh Mandar, all who have been always talking about the constitutional ways of movement, of peace, of relief. Now they have been booked, their name has come for the killing of one and there is a Sikh activist also. I met him at the Shaheen Bagh. We have so many stories for him. He sold his flat just to keep the longer to feed the people in the Shaheen Bagh, the women who are protesting. So this I find that this design is, we have to question this design. Basically the way it is moving because this is the design is to crush the civil society voice of dissent in national capital. Because now Indian state is planning to start with the national population register. Again the process is they are saying that their news that they may start from the July or August. So they want to basically control the whole voices of dissent. When they start again, there should be no voices left to raise this thing. Thank you so much for talking to us. In our next segment, we bring you an interview with Brazilian social leader, Jesse Diana. A lot of comparisons have been made between how India and Brazil have been handling the COVID-19 crisis, not the least due to the ideological similarities between PM Modi and Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro. Brazil now is reported over 1.14 million cases and over 52,500 deaths. On Tuesday, the country reported close to 40,000 cases in the preceding 24 hours. And along with the US is among the biggest contributors to the global case count. Jesse Diana talks about the context in which the pandemic is raging in Brazil. So the situation in Brazil is extremely serious. This ends up being expressed through the number of deaths. Today we have reached almost 47,000 deaths already here in Brazil. Because in the first place, the president of the country, who is the largest political authority, reacted negatively regarding the disease. In other words, from the point of view of anti-science, anti-raising, he denies the gravity of this epidemic, of a pandemic that is harming the whole world. All state leaders are taking measures to counter the pollution and to seek cure, to seek a minimum of people in their countries being contaminated and killed because of this coronavirus. All countries made various measures and even adjustments from the health point of view to deal with the health crisis. And here in Brazil, in the first place, the president denies the disease. So he called it a flu, said that it was not all that, that it was a flu and any. And denied the serious impact on the health of our country. So this is a first element, because besides not taking measures because he reacts negatively, he also sends a message to the population. Because part of the population sees the president as an authority who knows what he is saying. So when the president says, go to the streets, work, keep your lives normal, part of the population believes and part of the population actually minus the gravity of the disease. So this is a first element. The second is that, as a consequence of this negative position, he also did not take the necessary measures so that we could counter the pollution. So the president denies all the measures that the WHO is giving to everyone. So the social isolation measures as the only way until today, provenly, that it can counter the progress of the coronavirus. It has not yet developed the vaccine, the medicine. So the only way that the doctors say that it is possible to counter the deaths is with social isolation. And he denies social isolation and, consequently, all the necessary measures. Because what would be needed in Brazil? First, to develop more beds to be able to accommodate the people who are being contaminated in our only health system. Second, the state would need to assume that the beds of private hospitals, which today in Brazil did not happen, this happened in several parts of the world, so that we do not have to choose between who will die and who will live because of their financial social condition. Third element, also the tests. The number of tests in Brazil is very low. And the fact that we do not have many tests makes us not have a forecast of when this cloud will be damaged, of when the peak has come, of when people are contaminated and, consequently, without this forecast you will not be able to have a strategy to counter the disease. And we miss everything. We miss the EPI for the health staff who work in hospitals. So it is a situation of extreme calamity and deep sanitary crisis in the decline of the negationist posture and also the lack of necessary measures to guarantee social isolation. So here in Brazil, the opposition to the government in the National Congress, since the beginning of the pandemic, made several fights to be able to approve measures that guarantee social isolation. One of them was the emergency income. The opposition proposed a minimum wage. The government was offering R$ 200, which is not possible for anything here in Brazil. And after this dispute it ended up conquering R$ 600, R$ 600,000 and R$ 200, which was approved. But until today, millions of Brazilians will not be able to access this resource due to the bureaucracy of the government. So all this makes people continue to work on the streets because they need to survive. So the government also played with this discussion of if we guarantee social isolation, if you stay at home you will not have food, you will not have a job, the economy will stop. So it put the population between hunger and the coronavirus. But if you stay at home and do not work, that is, do not put yourself at the risk of the coronavirus, you get hungry. So it put the population between death and the disease, or death, due to the lack of living conditions.