 When we see these baseline changes in a person, they can mean all kinds of things. So what we don't want you to hear us say is, he did this so he's lying, but let me run down a cluster that give me reason to know he's trying to convince someone. There's a single shoulder shrug. There's a sudden adapting at the chair more than there was in the beginning. There's a blink rate increase. There's eye contact change. Down left, down right, down left, down right, more than before. There's out of frame illustrating, meaning I'm making my point, but it's outside of my vision, even to the point that he looks over to it eventually. And his hands ball up, which we don't typically see. When we see his hands ball up, we typically see them pounding down in a batoning gesture. In this case, they're just tight. And then once he gets to a point he wants to make, he goes back to hard eye contact. That makes me know he's trying to convince this person of something. I can't tell whether he believes it or he wants to convince you of it because he's pretty good at hiding some of that.