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Wax and Charlemagne are on vacation or some shit. Where they at, Taylor? Charlemagne's on vacation. Wax still got COVID? No, he just couldn't make it. He just couldn't make it. Okay, well that's great that he has his priorities. That he has his priorities straight. There's just no excuse, we couldn't lie. There's nothing else that we could do. We can make up to make him look a little better. Aren't you supposed to be the producer? He doesn't have COVID. He doesn't have COVID. He doesn't have COVID, it's done. All right, that's all we care about. Who would have much rather than have COVID? Listen, guys, we're here and we've got a lot of things going this week but first I just want to check in with Mouse, man. It's great to see you, dog. It's been a while. Absolutely. Back on the road, it's nice to see. Yes, yes, it's a fun place to be. 100%. Are we going to talk about your outfit or are we just going to move on? We're here. What's going on here? Did you wear this because you knew you were going to be in a comfortable place with me? Yeah, I figured, listen, Andrew Dress is very comfortable. Is this appropriation? Yes. Are you appropriating? Pharmaculture. My culture. Not your culture. It's really not my culture. It's not your culture. I'm closer to it than you. Oh, that's true. I'm a Texan. That's a Texan. And an Indian. And an Indian. Mad Farmers in India. 100%. We got to port fully. Yes. I just wanted to feel at home. You just wanted to feel at home. Okay, well, you hear. Well, if you listen to the podcast, Mouse came here dressed as Kyle Rittenhouse. So. He's real Kyle Rittenmous. Kyle Rittenmous is in the motherfucking building and somehow killing it. I got to check out one of your shows, man. I always text you when I see the videos on Instagram. Videos are wild. Yeah, it's just crazy, man. You guys got the best job in the business. Listen, I do a job that nobody in the world could do. Okay. Like, there's a lot of hoes. Well, I don't even think there's hoes anymore. Uh-huh. And I know this is going to sound like bragging, but hey, Taylor. Taylor, you have one job. We're recording a podcast. You have one fucking job, Taylor. Just didn't know if you knew we were doing a podcast. Yeah. So I do a job nobody else could do, right? When it comes to hosting. Yeah. That's debatable. That's debatable. Nobody else could do that. I'm waiting for the explanation. Yeah, I can do what I do. Okay, tell me why. Well, not hosting. I don't even think anybody. Some people can get on stage and get through a show, bring up other people. I do a job that nobody else could do because it doesn't matter if I host a party, doesn't matter if I host an event, a fashion show, whatever you want to call it. The time I'm on stage, it's going to feel like a show just for that person. Just for that person. It doesn't matter who. It's literally impossible for you to try and encapsulate and have anybody else do it. Really? You will have people looking stupid. Really? Why is that? Because from the outside, it seems like you do a great job. There's no question. But I feel like there are people that could do it. Like throughout history, there's no more hosts that are good. Where do the hosts go? That's a great point. And open mics, comedy shows, making $12 a night or whatever. This host is my point. Yeah, but they might not have the skill, though. I guess that's what you said. No, like I said at the beginning, do the people know what you do? That's a good question. That's what I'm trying to figure out. I see in the clips. But what do you do that elevates the experience for everybody else? Or even let's first talk about the experience so people aren't confused. So I'm the host of the greatest show on Earth Trap, Karaoke, where, I guess before I got there, it was just a show sent to the round, black people being able to have a karaoke space where you could come up and sing your favorite songs. There's no way, you know, you go to your normal karaoke bar, you know that spot, Gators or something in Williamsburg, you go there and you want to hear back that ass up. You're not, they don't have those songs in there, right? So, you know, the creator of Trap Karaoke, created a space where you could sing these songs and quite honestly, It's black karaoke. Yeah. It is black karaoke. It's a space where we get to celebrate our culture, our legends in the way that we want to do it. Yeah. So when I get there, I came on February, March of 2019. Yeah. The show had already been going on for like probably five years at that point. Yeah. I get there and now it's completely different. It's crazy. Because when I get there, it's like, okay, so that's how you were doing it. Yeah. Let me show you how to fill these pockets because if not, it was different between that and any other party where you just play music. That's it, right? You're a party, you got four hours, you buy your ticket, you're gonna drink and you're gonna listen to music. You could go anywhere to do that. When I'm on that stage, now it's, I'm talking directly to you about something that you're like, you was there too? And then you look to your left and you look to your right and you see other people and you're like, y'all was there too? Yeah. And I just do a great job of reminding you that we all kind of grew up together. We experienced the world together. Do you have like bits that go with the songs that people are trying to sing? Absolutely. Got you. And these are like stories that are fun. Stories, call and response. So for example, and I'm gonna tell this one and if we see other people doing it and all the way we know where it came from. So I do this one where I get the crowd really hype, right? And I say, after I get them real hype, I say, I shout to women. I say, black women, I need you to make some noise. Taylor, let's do it right now. Let's reenact it right now. You wanna do it, Taylor? Do we need to give you a song? Let's do it. Let's do it. The song is already here. Okay, go, go, go. I'm black women too. The two of us are in this together. Let's go. Come on, come on, let's do this. Let's do it. I'm hyped, it's trap karaoke. I'm hyped up, I'm ready to sing. Let's go, come on. I say black women, black women. We need some noise. And of course they're gonna make noise. Make some noise. Hey! Taylor, you gonna leave a second? Yes! He's the black woman. You too! You too! Black women. Come on. Whoa. So like I said, so with the black woman bit, I say, you know, black women make some noise and they make noise. And then I say, I bring up a whole bunch of things that they wouldn't know. I'd be like, you know, make some noise. You know, fat black women, skinny black women, big booty, little booties, cause you know, little booties matter. They pop. Yeah. Then it's, then from this or now, you're just building them. You're building them, you're building them. And I'm like, you know, I'm talking about the four seated, three seated, four, eight, four, three seated, three seated. That's the head types. So now they're like, oh, this nigga knows us. Wait, what is that? What's the hair types? The curl pattern. Oh, what does Taylor have? Can you guess just by looking? No, I can't tell cause she has a, was it the sewing? Yeah. Yeah. So she has a sewing so I can't really see what her meek middleies are like. You're a four seat. You're a four seat. Yeah. Okay. So that's the most coarse. So that's the tightest curl. Ah, okay. So once I, Oh, they, oh, the, the natural curl. Yeah. They have a rating system. Yes. Oh dude, I can't wait to use this. Hold on. To get it. This bitch is stolen, Mouse. Now it's going to give me all the details for the black girl going to show. Okay. Now, but if I get it wrong, that's fucked up. That's why, that's why I'm just, What's your beard? My beard. So, so my beard, I'm going to say is more of a four A going into a three C. Four A, three C. Yeah. Wow. This is crazy. So like black women's hair is like bras and shit. Like people, all hair, all hair has a curl back. Yeah, but white people, we don't have different types of hair. And white people got curly hair, too. Y'all are one A. What are we? A one A. I'm a triple D. No. Wait, I mean I'm an A. A is the more fine. Yeah, I'm a one A. One A. Yeah, one A. What is squid game? Cass is squid game. What goes before A? Yeah, they're not on there. They're not on the map. They might be just in double numbers. Yeah. Like a one one. Just one one. What? They kept the letter. See, she warming up. Now she's good. She's warming up. Now she's getting on board. Stop doing work, Taylor. You at work. Stop doing work at work. Focus on this, all right? Go watch the bully and the beast podcast. Boom, I did it. Everybody go check out bully and the beast podcast. And they got a live show. Make sure you check that shit out. We all go to be in there. All right, you know what I mean? With the three C's, the two D's. No, those are two D's. Those are two D's. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The four C, four B, the four A. Okay. Three C, three B, three A. Now anything past that, that's not us. So I stopped. What is that? Those white people. Oh, really? Yeah, there's this room. It's for the room. This is, this is for the room. I think my wife is a three A. I think it's what she told me. Cause I remember having to try to figure this out one time. And I was like, I don't know. I believe it. You bought your wife hair? I don't believe it. No, sure. No, they bought her hair. You bought her hair? Yeah, they bought her hair. Don't get it to me. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. But her hair is curly. So there's like a, there's like a whole thing. She sent me mad types one time. And she was like, which one am I? I was like, I don't know. Three A? It was just before after I was married. Just before. Just before. You passed. Yeah, yeah. Oh, this is fire. Okay, this is good. They're built at that point. Cause once I say that, they're like, Oh, this, he knows us. They're up there. So I attack trap carry much like, you know, you could attack this feel like a party. Or you can attack it like a show. And that's what separates us. So you make it a show. We make it a show. Me and the creator, we make this thing a show. We sit down here. We're going to do these segments. It's going to go from here. We'll have them here with the R&B. We have them here. And now the people are involved in a show. They're not just watching the show. They're a part of the show. Because it's not ours. It's theirs. You know what I mean? That's the most important. The thing I loved most about your show, or even, I think sometimes being friends, some people forget that it's cool to be fans of your friend. And I think the thing I love most about you guys is that you never forget about the fans. You never forget that it's only but so much that separates us, right? Like, yes, we all, we're like the Avengers. We all have this like talent that no one else possesses, right? We talk and people listen. That's the superpower. That's the only thing that separates us from our fans. Interesting. So when you look at it like that, I heard you say, and I never had the verbiage for it, but I would just be like, it has to count. I tell people that in the beginning of the show, every show I'm like, it took you seven days to get here. You waited, you had to deal with whatever bullshit you had to deal with. You had to have found a babysitter. You found a Uber, you found the dentist. You did all of that, and then you paid $80 for these tickets. I'm going to make these next four hours worth it. And I heard you say it right before the show, and I was like, and then I seen the show, and I'm like, there it goes. They got their money's worth. These people got their money's worth. And that's all I care about. That means a lot to me, man. It's always meant a lot to me, especially like when you got people coming out for you. It's one thing earlier in your career where you're performing for strangers, right? That they were just like, I need to do something. I need to get out the house. Absolutely. And then they're there, and then you got to win them over. But like when people plan their whole weekend around it, people fly in. They got a hotel. They got flights. That's the craziest part. That's when I said I couldn't take this shit for a joke. Like I came in as probably, I came in probably a little elevated than the last those because I was already me when I got there, right? I didn't, Trap Karaoke just helped solidify me. It became like a commercial for me where like I get to be in these cities. So somebody who didn't think, they were going to see me until God Next Door went on the road or until BET or All-Star came today. Oh, I get to see him out this weekend because Trap Karaoke's coming. So now once I started realizing that, and once I started realizing like, oh, y'all are coming for me and you're leaving with this experience. So you don't know, right? So now there's no way of me knowing when I hit that stage, who's here for me and who's here for Trap Karaoke. I just got to flip it and I got to make sure everybody's won. And you started realizing that once I got on the tour, and there was these lines, right? We live in New York, we used to see in celebrities or we used to see in people we're fans of. So when it turns on you, you're kind of like, that's cool. You don't think that, right? I see somebody, I see me, oh, you was on Brain Idiot. So you was on break, so you was here, you was there. Oh, God Next Door, I love it. That's where in New York, you used to do that. It wasn't until I seen those lines after the Trap Karaoke show, I'm like, what the fuck is this? What do we know? They had to take a picture with you. Lines, 200, 300 people to take. After show is over at 11, we typically don't get out of that venue until one, because I'm taking pictures. I was like, I can't, I can't waste these people's time. I'm not about to play with y'all. So it doesn't matter if I'm on Trap Karaoke, it doesn't matter if I'm doing court side studios for Mountain Dew, it doesn't matter if I'm doing the BET experience at a stable center. If I touch that stage, it's gonna be worth it. And these venues that you guys are doing look pretty big, like it looks like you got... All theaters. Theaters, yeah, it looks like you got like, a couple thousand people in there. 3,000, 3,500 people is selling out. And where are you finding that many vaccinated black people? None of my business. That's a job for the person who creates it. We got some fake banks cards to get you into the Trap Karaoke show. Last show I saw with Louisiana, I don't think they're even checking. I think there's a Southern black tour, I think you're doing. Hey. We got to New York. I've seen some people in there was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Kyrie, Kyrie, you're famous for not being a bank man. No, but that's fucked us up on the road. I'm sure you felt that shit too, which is like, and I say it jokingly about black people, but in all seriousness, there are people like, yo, I want to come to the show, but I'm not getting vaccinated. It became like a political thing for them. And they're like, yo, I bought tickets, I can't come. That, so that was New York. Sorry, it kind of hurts the diversity of the show. Yeah, because I want those motherfuckers there too, because that energy is interesting. Yeah. I want those conflicting. Yeah, yeah, that's the tension. That's the thing you like to play with. Absolutely. One of the things, I mean, you see in our show, but one of the things that I love about our show is everybody's there. It's the most diverse show in comedy. And the reason why we could say all these jokes is because everybody's in the room. Everyone's in the room. It feels weird if someone's not in the room to talk about it. But when you're there right there, you making that joke? We just talking shit about family. You were right there. If he's laughing, you can't be offended on bad for him. If she's laughing, you can't be offended on bad for her. We're all in this shit together. It is what it is. Absolutely. It's like, whatever my homies tell me about the army, like the experience in the army. Once those are your brothers and they're keeping you alive, all the barriers go down. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. It really does become a family dynamic. Only everybody looks different, but it's like, yo, these jokes are gonna fly. Bootcamp was one of the only times where I realized that. Oh, that's right. You were in the Navy. Oh, that's right. So when you go overseas and you realize that and you see that, the only thing that separates y'all is baseball. I didn't know you were overseas. Get out of here. Kill someone? What are you doing? Come on. What are you doing? How are you gonna kill people along the island and not do it overseas? They found you, we gotta put in a good use. Am I dressed like someone that would do anything like that? I know you look like you killed a turnip. Wait a minute, were you really overseas like that? And like getting it in? Where? I was attached to a team that was getting it in, of course. What was your job out there? So I was an HM, so I was a corpsman. What does that mean? I'm a medic. That would be the best way to put it. Oh, really? Oh, shit. Well, you're just with no- So I was in Italy for six months. We did, the rammage was out of, not Newport News, Norfolk. So that did, we did Bahrain. We did the Straits. We did, where the fuck we go? What's that place in? It's near Greece, but it's not in Greece. It's off the coast. Sardinia? Mm-mm. Not Miko? What the shit? It's cool. I don't know. No idea. I always fucking forget this spot. It doesn't matter. You could say anything. It doesn't matter. Yeah, we don't fact-check you. But no, it wasn't the craziest thing, but to your point, when you're talking about people from vastly different places, and typically would not even like each other, if then you haven't to like each other, if then you come home and you realize, no, I don't like this person, because you see their Facebook posts. Yeah, but there, that would separate you. Oh, there you're like. Bro, my boy's a Marine, and he said, he's like, dude, one of the coolest things about the Marines was that I made really close friends with all these people that I would never be friends with outside of it. One of his boys who does his accounting, not even counting investment stuff, is this Mormon dude with 10 kids. And he's like, when in my life am I gonna connect with the guy like that, become best friends, and then just trust him with my future, just give him all my money. And it's the Marines, that's a specific place, or the military, trying to think of other types of situations. I think shit like this. It's gotta be a life or death type thing. Yeah. It's not life or death, it could get like, say it's gotta be high. Yes. And then everything else is less important. Talking about life or death, like it brings all of your, it cuts away the bullshit. Yeah, dumb shit like race matters when there's no stakes. When we got real stakes, bro, I don't give a fuck what you look like. We got things to do. Well, because it just becomes good guy, bad guy. I don't know if race is the one that, yes, I agree with the thought part, I just don't know if race is the one that, because when you think about it, right, if we're home, race still, you could be, you look at cops, right? They like to think that it's all blue, but it's not, because within the blue, there's still black cops that are treated away. And you say you'll still feel that way in the military, there was still that there. Yeah, because you realize, okay, those guys over there, these guys over here. Look, I see that, like people are gonna couple up naturally, that's gonna happen. But like, when it's go time, when it's like war time. Oh, when, Bull is flying, you just wanna go home. Yeah, the high is staying. It's a good guy, bad guy. You just wanna go home. In every one of the movies where like the aliens come, like the first thing we do is call China and Russia, we get on a group call and we're like, yo, are we friends now? Can we take out the aliens? And everybody's like, all right, we're gonna take out the aliens. And it's like, that's literally, that's all we need for everybody to get along. That's the whole Independence Day. So just invite the aliens. Is every movie with aliens, right? Is we literally just need a bad guy. I think the Watchmen or something had a plot like that. Like if we had a fake alien bad guy. And it brought all the bad guy. I mean, it brought all the heroes back together. Yeah. And that's all we need. One fake bad guy. But clearly, that doesn't work here. Say what? Well, that doesn't work in America. Why what? We have the aliens and we're still separated. Because we don't have aliens, we just got the ships. What's the war for? I don't know, like I don't even believe in the aliens thing. The aliens gotta present a threat. Just because we see aliens, we're not gonna freak out. If they blow up a fucking building or two, then it's like, oh, well, we got, we don't have time. But they just gotta hurry up there. Yeah, just gotta hurry up. Yeah, just get it done. Yeah, hurry up. Blow some shit up. Let's go. Just wait till this tour is over. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let us get it in first. Then we can fuck some shit up. Let's re-up after this pandemic. Fuck this up for you. How fucked up would that be if you an alien traveled like light years and you got here, when everybody's quarantined? Right? You're like, man, Earth sucks. These motherfuckers don't leave the house. Like, no wonder they didn't discover us. Yeah. They look like you're nuts. I'm out. Trash, right? Maybe that's why we're seeing them. Maybe they got cocky like that. I don't know. You think about aliens? Do you believe in aliens? I do. Really? Yeah, just probability to me. It's like, we can't be the only thing here. I know that's generic. That's what everybody says. Do you think they look weird? But it makes sense. I don't know what they look like. OK, let me rephrase that question. Because it don't matter if there are aliens exist or not if we can't see them, right? Do you think they're on Earth right now? That's the question I want to ask. Or if not right now, they've come. I think maybe. And I see that, Terrell. I think they left when Trump left. You think? I think they stayed. They were entertained and then they got on board. Yeah. I got it all. Just all right. This is the roll credits. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, this is the close. Yeah, let's go. We're out of here. So Taylor brought up article that said aliens could come back to Earth by traveling back on our own spacecraft. Scientists warm. I don't know how that makes it. Yeah, I don't understand it. If we can't get to them, they can't get to them. They say it's a bacteria that could like attach itself to a spaceship that as we explore Earth and fly, I mean, explore outer space and fly it out. It's supposed to be land on Mars. Some bacteria could fucking attach itself to this ship, flies back in and it survives. It's symbiote. Like you guys hear that Spider-Man, no way home tickets. All gone. We're going for $10,000. I think people are just listening. There's no anybody's buying. That's it. You know, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You don't think somebody. We there's a whole fucking Comic-Con thing that happens every year, twice a year in every city. You don't think somebody's paying $10,000 for it? Not when you could wait a week to spend $15 on it. Yeah, no, no. We can do the same thing about sneakers, clothing items, and people's sneakers. Sneaker sell out is gone. No, you could just. I didn't get off whites when they dropped and now they're going to be fucking $40,000. Yeah, you're the victim. I'm the victim here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Can't relate. You know why I kept this a secret? Can't relate. It's fucking devastating. I'm devastating. Fucked up. You made Virgil's death about you, dog. Who else is it about? How the fuck you make Virgil's death about you? Who else is it about? Just spend the extra $2,500, bro. The guy deserved it. It don't go to Virgil? Yo, do you feel bad? Do you feel bad? I have mine, so I'm good. No, do you feel bad about criticizing Virgil for donating $50 to Black Lives Matter back in the day? No, you ain't shit for that. You ain't shit for that. You ain't shit for that. I should give me your sneakers for that. Facts. My foot's stupid. What's up? I don't know. No, man, I got fired with it. I tried to use my Blackboard then and it worked. Yeah, I called me on it. Taylor might be able to fit them off. Taylor, do you remember? You tie on that. Go on now, bro. Taylor, did you criticize Virgil for only donating $50 to Black Lives Matter back in the day? Yeah. You did. And now it's fucked up, he is. You know what he was doing. Why is it fucked up? It was fun and cool. No offense. No offense. No one knew about his cancer. You don't respect Virgil Abloh because you've never thought something and not said it. Wait, what? Yeah, that's good. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, exactly. Wait, say that one more time. You know how you'll be on the podcast and then you'll just say some shit? You don't need to say sometimes? Virgil didn't do that. He said something. He had something he could have said and he decided not to say. That's great though. Not great, but I'm saying as in like, that's fine. That's noble. That's admirable. I believe it's admirable. I think it's dope. Truly. Because you don't want people to. It's the same, I guess, reason that it's Chadwick. Chadwick. Yeah. I mean, we're often not like. Like you said, why are you only giving $55? Because not every black person believes Black Lives Matters. Look at all the cops. Well, he also gave $25,000 to like the bail to get Black people to buy a full year. OK, so I know that. Yeah, but see, you didn't know it was on the side. But that's why I paid to shut up? Facts. It pays every time to shut up. How much do you donate to Black Lives Matter? 500. Don't do that. Oh, shit. You gave 500? Oh, shit. I have people that's like a part of it. 500? Yes. 500. You've been black your whole life, and all you've been giving is 500? That ain't shit. No, can I be honest with you? That's some real two-way behavior, yo. I'm not going to lie like. That's some two-way behavior. I thought you were more 3C type of girl. But that was some real two-way behavior. That might have been a bit of one-aid. That's some real one-aid donation. 500 of Black Lives Matter. That's one-aid. You lost the shorts in the four-raise. That's how? Oh, you were running one-aid for sure. Yeah. Yo. Because a 4C would have smoked his ass. I ran a 4C. I was running so fast, my hair curled up. You didn't see me. I was looking like Bob Ross. At the end of the half-raise, I just started paying for no reason. I don't know it. That's what I do. I was frowned up after that, OK? Don't ever come at me again, but seriously. A weak-ass donation like that. That's some two-way shit right there, girl. That was weak. That was weak. Yo, how much did you lose? How much did you lose? More than that. Yo, how much did you lose? Yo, how much did you lose? This is on sale. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, tell me, tell me how much you got. Tell me how much you got on the rich. Tell me how to say, hey, tell me how much the fit cost. Tell me how the fit cost, man. OK, OK, OK. I'm holding on to donation. I'm holding on to donation. What's that guy's name? I don't know his name, but that shit is hilarious. He's with the brown face, you know what I'm saying? OK, OK, what's the number? OK, OK, tell me, tell me next. How much for the sneaker? How much for the sneaker? Oh, oh, OK, OK, OK, OK. 25 for the sneakers? Yo, he got to pull up on people that ask about BLM donations. Ask the tailor first. How much for the, OK, OK. I'm holding on to donation. How much for the bail? How much for the bail, money? OK. So to me, nice, girl. Say what? How much did you spend? I gave my life. I gave $10,000. I gave my life. I gave at the very least $500. I think I gave $1,000. I'm Indian. Yeah, pretty. I think Black Lives Matter more than you, Taylor. You have more money than me. That's a good point. She probably gave, she gave proportionally more than you. That was good. Proportionally. She gave proportionally more than you. I still think you guys pay him more than $500. No, mm-mm, I don't think so. How much you give? My life. Is that good? We're all pretty black though. Every day. I wake up, I wake up, and I'm here. You don't even give a goddamn dollars. It was going back to me! It was going to me! It is going to me! That's funny though. Should black people have to donate to BLM? Not black men. That's like, if you work for the government, should you pay taxes? Yeah, you pay taxes. No, but like, I'm getting, now if you're in the military, you don't gotta pay taxes, right? It's like, it's going right back to me. No, we never got that. Yeah, but this is the bail fund, dawg. This is people laying down their freedom for you. Oh, you gotta be smarter than that. This is people laying down their freedom for you, dawg. Not who? So, you didn't do anything. I didn't donate anything, dawg. Because that means, no, I'm going to tell you why I didn't get the bail. You and Trump donated the same amount of money to BLM. I'm going to tell you, I'm going to tell you, can I be honest, I'm going to tell you exactly why. No, at least you free Kodak Black. You didn't free Kodak, dawg. You should have kept Kodak. You didn't free Kodak. Yo, how baller was that to free Kodak, yo? Be honest. How fucking dope was that to free Kodak, dawg? You should have free Kodak and kept Bush. Come on. Obama not free and kid rock? No, we should. I don't think y'all would. No, we wouldn't. Keep that motherfucker locked up. I'm going to tell you why I didn't do the bail. Because I seen it, I was like, shaggy. And I thought, I think I said no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I had to bail myself out. Why? I had to figure it out on my own. Yeah, but you weren't protesting. That was a hard ass dab, dawg. You were doing a little shit, dawg. Why didn't you? Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh, that's what I was doing. But if they offered you to host the motherfucking march, would you do it? With bells and whistles. We'll be swag surfing our way to freedom. They gotta have mouths. Host the next BLM march. You ain't shit now. I'm donating. Who bailed me out? Me. I did it. Why were you in jail in the first place? Jailer. Your business. That's the point. No, that's the point. Why was he in jail in the first place? Because of an unfair fucking system that you donated $500 to. Yeah. You donated maybe $1,000. The white sis patriarchy. Both y'all ain't shit. That's true. I can do it. I can do it. As long as she goes down. Wait, no for real. You really are the worst. Jailer, how much you donate? Get in my fucking cop. You gotta donate extra. You gotta donate extra, bro. I donated my time. You're locking us up. There's some poor black dude in the court. Here. The poor black dude in the court. He's fighting for his life. A little bit out of hand. I was running up to it. Calm down, sir. I was the worst kind. I was the worst kind. No, he'll be like this. I was through the fucking bail. He'll be over there like... You can't be on your phone. Bitch, don't put me on fucking blast in front of this fucking court. I already look crazy. I don't want my glasses trying to look smart. I got this too big soon. And now I'm looking for it. You're not going to put me on fucking blast. He'll be over the glasses. Come here, Cron. He'll be whispering to us. Yeah, these glasses are fake. Lock them up. I was fucked up. I was fucked up. You should donate your tour earnings to the fucking Black Lives Matter. You see how white people do this shit, bro? Do you see how we're just divided right now? We got all the black people fighting amongst each other. This is fucked up, man. You let them do that, son. You let them do that, man. What's wrong with us whites, bro? Come on, man. What's wrong with us? Oh, damn. I'll talk to them. That's what I drew to learn. You're not going to get mouse dudes. Say what? You're not going to get them on any of this shit. I know, he's good. Yeah, you're not going to get him on many of these white, donate money to black people and nothing. He's un-gettable. He's un-gettable, bro. I love this. I need to find out who the biggest donor to Black Lives Matter is. So far in this room is Taylor. The biggest black donor to Black Lives Matter. Black. At the very least, I'm tied with her. But you're not black though. I probably gave 501 because I'm Indian. I can always be given the fucking extra one dollar. But you're not black though. That's Indian tradition. You keep not listening to me when I say it. Of the black people. Oh, of the black people. Yes. But of all the people, y'all ain't shit. No, I donate more than that. I donate more than that. I donate more than that. First of all, I donated more than everybody. I bailed out and never got that money back. Therefore... You bailed yourself out, dude. Because of a system. Of a system that forced him to rob people on the streets of Suffolk County. Jesus Christ. Because of a system. Nassau or Suffolk. So you lived on Long Island, bro. You lived on Long Island. These nice cul-de-sac whites terrorizing them. They observed it. Did they? No, they didn't. I believe. But you lived on Long Island. I don't buy your struggle story. No, Long Island was kind of rough, dude. We're struggling. I was with them. What are you talking about? Because of a system. Because of a system I had to do. I'm a black man. I'm at what? Exactly. I'm a black man. What do you mean? Yeah, but you don't got to sell drugs because you're a black guy. I never sold drugs. I never sold drugs during my life. That was never my thing. What was your thing? What are we doing here? We've had this discussion off. That's exactly what's going to stay. He thought he came so far. 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But PETA did a human skin launch. Oh, yeah. I saw this where they had like the bags. Yeah. They're like bags and jackets. They were like... But isn't that... It's not actually made of human skin. It's made of like images of human skin. And what would be dope if we started wearing them? Yeah, I'd be fire. That sounds fire. But even though it looks kind of trash, like if we start wearing them, it proves that we're even. Like if all it takes PETA to understand that we're going to keep wearing leather is if we also wear humans. I'm okay with that. Yeah. I'd wear human. I wear human. But isn't that like... If you fuck the girl, you wore human. You've been worn. That's a fact, right? That is a fact. Yeah. Right? Why? We're not against this. You guys have been worn. You guys have been worn. I don't... I stylistically, I don't think it's great. But like... You're not going to hold just fake fire. That one right there is fake fire. You're into it? You can do that with like a black, like a black hoodie. This one. It's just dumb. I mean, that's not bad. I'm not bad at all. I wear that for sure. That's not bad at all. Yeah. I'm not mad at all. That's really good. Yeah. They're going to be mad once they sell out. For sure. Yeah. They got to stop hating. The PETA is just... They're just trolls. They are. Right? Like just get over it. We're going to fucking kill animals. We're going to eat them. We're going to use their products. Like what's the big deal? Get a life. I want to see what in their house. I've always wondered what's in the PETA people have. Just polyester. It has to be. The whole house. You mean nothing's from animals? Yeah. Like... No. I don't believe it. Yeah. I don't believe it. I think modern furniture they probably like, because a lot of that isn't leather. They don't have plants. They don't have like linen couches and shit like that. But plants, they're okay with eating. They don't live. They do live. They're a living organism. Yeah. But PETA is okay with eating that. Yeah. You know, there is somebody had a joke. Fuck a comic ed joke. I'm going to forget what it is. But it's like... Yeah. If vegetarians love animals so much, why do they eat all their food? Yeah. Yeah. Brian John had a joke like that back in the day. Was it Brian? He had a joke like that back in the day. Yeah. But yeah, I don't know. I just like... If somebody comes up to me, they're like, yo, I stopped eating meat. I feel healthier. I have more energy. That kind of shit. Right. Okay. I'm cool with that. I'm okay. Like whatever, if you want to have your dietary shit, go for it. Right, right, right, right. Like I grew a candy dairy. Right? Like it just fucks her whole skin up. So I'm cool with it. But the whole thing where it becomes like your lifestyle, it's just like... That's really what it is. I feel like... I don't like... I don't trust any of those people. You don't. Like you just... You need somebody to tell you you're doing the thing. Let me ask you this question. Have you ever met someone who is religious and vegetarian or vegan or these kind of things? Yeah. Yeah. Vegetarian, yeah. Everybody comes home from jail. But that's when they get good meals. No, they five percent is and now they don't eat anything. Yeah. But so they get the good food, like if you're going to get the halal food in jail, you've got to join up. Of course they're the halal or the kosher food, yeah. It's better. But then once they come home, they're like, bro, you only eat like this so you didn't get beat up, like relax. But then they keep doing it afterwards? Yeah. That's a good lick. Like if I'm the religion, if I'm Islam, I'm like, yo, give the best food in jail and then get everybody on board. And then if we trust the documents, if the documents are nice, like if the gospel is nice, we just got to get you to listen. We're reforming you right there. Boom. I'll sneak you in with the food, hit you over the head with God. Right. And then once you, and if you truly believe in God, it's like, yo, once you feel this God shit, it's over. Like you're coming with me. It might work. Yeah. That's an Okie dog. It's brilliant. Solid marketing. It's just like, Raheem, give it up. Raheem, give it up. Raheem, give it up. Raheem, give it up. I'm just really annoyed. Like, come on, I get it. You did your time. You're home now. Come on. That's it. Let's go. Like at least try chicken at home. They eat chicken. Like you've never had free world chicken. Yeah. I stopped eating free world chicken. It's different. I knew it was like, I'm good on it. Yeah. Y'all didn't have that shit. Like you still institutionalized. Come home. Mmm. Sick of these niggas. I know a lot of Hindus, obviously, don't eat meat. Do you know any religious person that's a vegan? I don't think so. Because they already got one thing in their life telling them what to do. Yeah. You don't need more than one thing in your life telling them what to do. Everybody has a God. You might just not call it God. Whatever that thing, that's keeping you morally on top. You know politics, AOC, Trump, that's your God. I'll be honest with you. Animals, whatever. People that got a wife ain't that religious. Why's that? I'm here for this. I'm here for this. You got someone telling you what to do. Like you got someone breaking down the rules. This is what you got to a bye-bye. But if you're smart, you use God to flip it. Yeah. Because you can't check your wife. You God checks your wife. Yeah. Talk to me like that. Exactly. You know what the Bible says you should masculine me. Oh, you're not giving up. Pussy with that in the Bible. Yeah. You're not tonight? The Bible never said that. Never said that once. No one in the Bible doesn't say you're not in the mood. It's not there. It's not in any of the texts. None of them. Mood? What do you mean? You got saliva? You were talking about moods here. Why we got to be in the mood? Why we need music? We don't need any of those things. That's extra. That's added bonus. Why are we adding all these things in communication? Let me ask you this. As somebody is about to get married. I'm almost married. Are you scared at all? We make the jokes. We've been cracking the jokes for years. But there comes a point where it's like I'm about to have to live with this person as my person forever. Is there any part where the jokes now hit a little different because you're like... No. Yeah, I didn't feel like it. I don't feel it. No, no. But I also have a different outlook on marriage. Which is like I come from a very fortunate where my parents are still together. Yes. And... You don't have to look at me when you said that either. I want you to know. My parents are still together as well. I want you to know. My parents are still together. Okay? No. You look at me like I come from birth. My parents are still together. So all three of our parents are still together? Yeah. Technically, I have a stepfather. But he's been since I was six. He was one who raised you. He says I was six. So I've always had a father. It lasted. Yeah. If it lasted, it lasted. So yeah. All three of us parents. Isn't that crazy? I think... Yeah, I don't feel like it's different. You don't feel any different. I like it better, to be honest. You like marriage life better. Yeah, there's no uncertainty. Listen, I'm going to be gone a lot. We just got to make it work. Whatever the issue is, we got to make it work. Yeah. There's no like exit strategy for either one of us. Once I was ready to be married, I was married. I think... Once I was ready to be married... Okay. If you were in a situation where like for whatever reason, you guys were beefing a lot and you've tried everything you could do to reconcile and like, you know, you thought the environment was fucked up with the kids, would you do the right thing, whatever the right thing is for you? Yeah. I guess I have a different mindset on like, yeah, I never want to say we will never because it's, you know, that's like an arrogant thing for me to say, but the thing that made me be like, okay, this is my wife and this is why is when we had problems, we were both willing to do the work to get through whatever. We're both going to therapy on our own. If we have to do couples, we'll do couples, whatever like that. We worked through so much shit early on because we both came from not the best. So it's like, all right, well, now we know we're willing to overcome whatever. That's my wife. And that's what I was saying. Once I was like, okay, this is my wife. I'm going to propose to her. My mindset was... My mindset was I'm married. Yeah. And now there's like... Actually, that's what it is. I mean, I was married when I proposed. Yeah. Okay. I think for man... I think that's what it is. I always say that. I'm marrying you and that's it. And I think typically, and I can only speak from the ones I've seen, I mean, I was super young when I got married. I was super. I was literally right out the military and got married. So it wasn't... So I don't even think I... I didn't know who I was. So from... I'm speaking from it like at this point and seeing the people getting married around me, a lot of niggas are proposing and then using that space in between the proposal to the marriage to like exercise whatever demons are left or like get in that... So where you guys say, I said I'm ready to be married, then I'm married, I think we're using it saying, I think I'm ready to get married. I propose. She said, yes, now I'm going to get ready to get married. So fidelity starts at marriage for some people. For some people. And that's the hesitation. Yes. Whereas for us, fidelity started when we were like, yeah, we're boyfriend, girlfriend. That's fidelity for me. Yes. We're boyfriend, girlfriend. And then marriage is just this thing that girls want. To me, I told my girl, I don't need the government to know that I love you. I love you. I'm doing this because you value this thing. And I'm sure there's not only security in it, but there's also like a culture that she was brought up in. She's seen movies and she was a kid. TV shows constantly pushing towards... You want to give it a fairy tale if you want. Yeah. So I'm like, all right, let's go, whatever. We're doing this together. It's fine. But I've told her all the time, like me and you going in front of a judge and saying I love you, like that means nothing to me, zero. Like it is actually stupid. Yeah. It's stupid. I need to tell, it's not Cuomo, but whoever this governor now, like I need to be like, hey, I love my wife. And then she goes, okay. I'd be a little worried if Cuomo's doing it. Actually, he might be on your side. Are you sure? Let me... I don't think it's about the love. Well, it's also stupid for us financially. That's where it's stupid to us because it's like, this is my money. I'm giving up. Yeah. But essentially, once you say... It's like we're open in a business and I'm putting up all the money. Yeah. You know what I mean? That she folds. I walk away half as rich. You walk away twice as rich. Yeah. And that's the fucked up thing is that like, because I was going through this even with my girl with the prenup shit is like, if I... So you guys did get a prenup? No, no, no. I said we wouldn't get a prenup. And she wanted... She wanted to like prove it? No. I just said I wouldn't do it. Okay. We're going to get a post-nup, but she didn't see that coming. So basically... Yeah. I should have thought about it. No. No, but the fucked up thing about a prenup is, all jokes aside, the fucked up thing about prenup is that you got to look at your girl and you got to be like, here's this piece of paper that says, I think you'll never be more successful than me. Because if you thought that she would be, you would never give her the paper. The paper says, hey, here's a limit how much each of us can get from one another. Because I got so much. Look at progressive Andy. I'm just saying. So it's a fucked up... Now my girl's in business school and shit. She got money to make, right? So it's like, that's a difficult thing. If my girl was just like, yo, I just want kids. That's it. I don't want to work. I'm good. You hold it down. Which is also great. I support that 100%. I'm down with women and want to do that. I'm never going to fucking shit on a woman who wants to raise a family. That's a full time moment. Especially when I want a family. Especially when I want a family, 100%. But it is a trickier thing. It's not as easy as just going, hey, I got some money. Here's a prenup. Because it's for future money too, right? And these girls, as they should right now, are entering the workforce. It's like, yo, I'm about to be breaded up too. We're fucking you. So I got to look at them and be like, yeah, but you got a ceiling. That's crazy. No, bitch, you fucked this up, I'm coming up. And here's the thing. If we were like, I'm older than my girl, you're older than your girl. So if we were the same age, that's easy. I could be like, yo, you had a shot shorty, like, you ain't make it. What you want me to say, like, you 40, like, you know, where the million's at. If, but they, but our girls are younger, they got time. Right. They got time like, we got time. I wasn't making money at her age. I was fucking broke at her age. Exactly. So I can't even, I can't even say, yo, I had it when I was your, I had nothing. I had what you got when you were you, when I was you. Less because she didn't have, you didn't have a you. 100%. But even more than lack of faith in her, if I, I would look, we didn't get a prenup because my girls with me when I was broke as fuck. So I couldn't really justify my ass for one. But you could have, but it would not have gone. You could have, we didn't want to win. We always try to make ourselves a hero. She was with me from the beginning, like, oh, man, shit. JP Morgan, you know, JP Morgan. I didn't say, I, this is what I decided in my heart. I said, I couldn't justify my ass for one. One hand sends back and you'll see I didn't have a good leverage point. I wanted to. You put me when I was fucking. Right, right, right, right. Say to you leverage wise, right? So apparently the JP Morgan, like, you know, the bank, obviously, apparently, I think it's him. I might be fucking it up. It might be someone else, but apparently he made his wife sign a prenup when he was in debt. Like he or he had like $100. His name or some shit, but he just knew what he was going to be. I bet he planned that out. I bet he's like, I'm a go broke. He ever signed the prenup like this is dummy. He got that shit framed next to the Constitution. Two most important things in my life. But you said to me, I look at it like I just in my mind, I think I said to her on our second date or something, I was like, however long this goes, I want you to work as hard as you want, make as much money as you want and just know I will kill myself trying to make more. That's what it's going to be. And then you can think that's sexist or whatever. I think I'm just competitive. I'll make more than everybody around me. So to me, I would look at a prenup like I want you to make as much as possible. I'm going to make more, but not because you're not talented just because that's my competitiveness. Yeah, not about your lack of anything. It's about me and what I think I will do. Yeah. Yeah. There's like a little baked in. I don't even want to call it sexism as much as I want to call it like gender roles. Yeah. You know, like where you feel like you got to be the one providing. Yes, like in that fucked up side. That was the trade off. We had all the control, like in order to pass laws, you need people in government to change the law, right? Yes. And it was all men. That's where the feminist movement comes from. The feminist movement comes with birth out of women, white women wanting to fight because brahman, we got, we got. It makes more sense in the. It's crying, laughing right now, because literally it's white women going, you let black people have rights before us. That's literally what happened. That's literally what happened right now. And these bitches got the fucking nerve to leave us alone. The white cis men. Oh, they jumped. Oh, they jumped. They jumped off. They jumped off. Y'all being way to the worst. I've been saying this. White women. Oh, sorry. That is the first time I was on flagrant. White women been the worst. We vibe on this. White women been the worst. Yo, well, so here's something I realized that was really interesting. It's like, and I'm trying to I'm trying to like do a bit about it. So I don't want to seem like I'm doing jokes. There's nothing funny about it, but I'm trying to work out about like the the thought of it, right? Is this like, have you noticed like who the bad guy is has been getting more and more specific? Like he used to just be like white people are bad, right? And then it became like, actually, it's just white men that are bad. Right. And then white gay dudes were like, but that ain't us. And then it's like, OK, straight, cis, het, white men. And I'm like, do you know who's writing it all? I'm like, y'all try to leave me to be accountable for it all. It's all my fault. And do you know who's writing all of this? A white woman. Motherfuckers. Motherfuckers. I like being a white woman at that. God damn. That kind of looks like you. This dress like you. No, you're not wrong. You got my haircut, your outfit. And she's writing the shit out of it. Son of a bitch. And you better not question it. My haircut, your outfit, I cause the titties. We got a whole lesbian on these three sofas with all four powers combined. We get a tailor. What? Wait, what? Wait, what? No. That's crazy. But that is the sick part of it. But have y'all noticed that shit? Like, no, you're a thousand percent right. That's like, I've been thinking about this shit. I'm like, because I see all these white people doing that 23 and me shit. And I'm just like, oh, you trying to find a way out? This is your little. I am six percent Congolese. They do this. And they find a way where it's not there. They're no longer accountable. Oh, I'm bi or I'm non-binary. They like do this. So I don't see it for white people as a whole, right? I do. I want to let y'all I want all the smoke. I don't see it for white people as a whole. But one thing I will always give credit to white men is you never see whenever it's smoke, they're just standing in it. All races, it's a joke. I thought you was going to go somewhere else. It's a joke. You didn't even apologize. No, I didn't apologize for it. Never. I can always respect that or respect somebody because that's I think that's just as a man is in our DNA. Like if you're a stand up guy, no matter your race, that's your DNA. What about this? What about this agreement? If you tap out of the accountability, you don't get any of the credit. No, because that if you tap, even if you don't get the credit, you'll get the credit just based off the race alone. Yeah, you're going to get the credit in life. Exactly. Like you're going to get the credit in life. You're going to be able to just kind of like operate in life with the privilege of being a white dude, like walk around the store, not being followed, etc. But like if we're really going to chop it up and like remove people from the accountability of of like the shitty things white people have done. Soon we also give credit to the good things white people have done, even though I had nothing to do with those either. Like I had nothing to do with the bad shit, even though I benefit from it. Right. I had nothing to do with the good shit, even though I benefit from it. So I want the credit from the good. You know what I mean? Like I think when everybody's non-white logs on to Wi-Fi. Is that a white guy? I assume it's white five. Is that a thing? Actually, I don't know. It could be. I don't know. It could be, but I don't have no fucking clue. I think I like that thought process, but the only way that works is kind of like what we've been saying since the beginning of all these conversations is you would have to denounce the privilege 100 percent. You have to denounce the privilege or acknowledge it. Like, no, the acknowledgement, because I can't. I used to think that made sense until you've seen it in practicality. And then like, but how do you denounce the privilege? You can't take part in it. Like you have to do now. Excuse me, Korean man, please follow me around your store. Yes, I have to ask the Korean guy to follow me around the store or put yourself in that marker or you got to help. You got to stand right there and call him out when he's doing it. But you can't just somebody else. Exactly. But you can't stand. You like I used to think it was one thing to acknowledge it, right? And then you just seen white people. Yeah, yeah, nothing to acknowledge. And like it's annoying. I can't believe I can live anywhere I want. Oh, I want to live right there. Not near the neighbors. I don't want to acknowledge it. I'm just saying I'm willing to take all the smoke for it. But then I'm fine with the credit. If you're going to put all the fuck shit on me. Well, that's what I think. I don't think so. The only real easy way to do it is just it's white privilege. That's it. But they're the sicker level. No, I'm gay, so I've been held back. Yeah, but you could also not be gay for a little bit. When you walk in the store, you don't got to be gay about it. You know what I'm saying? You don't. You don't got to do that shit when you fall back real delicately. But it doesn't hurt. You know that dance that they do? That shit is unbelievable. Where they just drop. No, that's not the white ones. I don't think the white ones have enough. White and black gay, there's a lot of mix. No, there's not. No, I don't know. Yes, there is. No, no, no, there's black gay. I don't think white dudes. White gays got rhythm like that. Not a lick. Brum, tell me, dogs. White and black gay. They just have to white male privilege. Yes, they do have white male privilege. White gay dudes are just black women without rhythm. Like their whole identity is stolen from black women. Absolutely, I like that. Some of these white gay dudes could dance, too. Yass, clean. It's just like, you get that fucking, that guy on Peloton. I haven't been that mad at a white gay man in a very long time. Because he pisses me off. So this guy on Peloton, and he's like, one of the videos went viral of him talking about brunch. But it's literally a bit that every black woman has talked about on Black Twitter for the last 10 years. Which is? It's just like, you know, they hate when you split the bill. Like, don't try to account for what you did. We all sit out here. We all eat. We have brunch. And so black women are very much... Don't be that big. Don't pay for just what you ordered. It's six of us split the bill. So now he's on the Peloton. He's like, come on, we're riding. And we're at brunch. And you brought the home girl that hates splitting the bill. It's like, come on, bro. What are y'all doing right now? And they just kept reaching. And I'm like, that's literally... They didn't slide and buy on this for a while, I think. And it's like, I hate that part. Because they say every white gay man says, oh, there's a black woman trapped inside of me. And then you start treating black women like shit. And they start treating black men like shit. I think we're going to call out appropriation at every turn. Every single turn. I'm with it. I think there's a lot of straight white dudes act like stereotypical black women. I don't think cis, heterosexual, straight white men are the biggest... I can't believe you just said that. I'm just saying. I don't think they're the... He's trying to defend you. No, I'm not trying to defend you. I'm trying to defend you. I know. I don't think they're the most dangerous of the white people. Yeah. I think it's white women. Yes, I agree. Gay white men... Probably agree. ...then kiss at white men. I think they just do the dirty work. And a lot of them stand next to Trump and a lot of them are just able... Just from history, you're able to point out and say wrong. So let's make... Let's play devil's advocate for the gays. Okay. The white ones. Yeah, sure. Or black gays as well. Well, no. Two separate experiences. Of course they're separate experiences. But at the same time, like how you act, who you are, the person you become is influencing you. The person you become is influenced by the people you admire growing up. Okay. And it's like, there's a reason why we all grow up in New York and we speak a certain way. And gay people who grew up in New York, went to school with us, had the same exact upbringing as us, have a different accent. Okay. Right? We're familiar with the gay accent, right? I don't know if this persists no matter where you go in the world, but it is a choice. Just like it's a choice for us. It's a choice. Right? I'm specifically using the accent where I learned it from. You think about that? Like when you do it, like for example, I think we all do it, like when we go downstairs and we go to the bodega, we go to the corner store. 100%. Yo pa. Yo pa. Me da. Pa pa. 100%. You think about it? For me, if I'm talking to different people, it changes. Like if I'm speaking to people from Spain, my accent, I learn Spanish in Spain. So my accent's a little bit more Spanish there. But then when I was in Mexico, I spoke Spanish with Mexicans. Gotcha. So like who we are starts to, you know, even watching my mom, my mom's from Scotland. When she's speaking to me, like barely notice her accent. When she speaks to her family, all of a sudden starts coming up. Right. Gets thicker, etc. So we're going to have that. So what if these young white gay kids, young black gay kids, young Hispanic gay kids are all admiring the same figures, right? And they happen to be black women. Okay. And even at a young age, they're like, they might not even know they're gay, but they're like, I just know that that is beautiful. That speaks to me. That is amazing. That is incredible. And what if they start to cultivate their personality around that? In the same way, when we were younger, we saw Will Smith, and we're like, yo, that guy's so hilarious. I'm going to cultivate my personality around that. I want all the Jordans. I want all the ears. Yeah. Yeah. I think what people don't want on like the, what people don't realize is appropriation to a large degree is admiration. Yes. I think that's at the core of it. That's at the core. I don't have a problem with appropriation. I don't personally think it's the biggest deal all the time. There's, I guess, exceptions, but generally, I don't have a problem with appropriation. But if we're in a culture, we're going to call it appropriation at every turn. We can't just let white gay dudes slide on this entire thing because, oh, they're, I think that's exactly what they want to slide on the entire thing. But, oh, they're, they're homosexual, so I can't say anything about them. If we're calling out appropriation, yeah, appropriately. I think there's two ways to look at it. It's like, 100% agree. And I think you have good perspective on this because there are parts of your culture that are appropriated all the time and your community for, at least as far as I've seen, is accepting of it. And I have the self-awareness to know. Fucking yoga and shit. You know what I mean? It's like, Nah, I'll just say, you mispronounce it every time. Drive me fucking nuts. How do you say it? Namaste. Namaste. Okay. But at the end of the day, I also have the self-awareness to know there was no Indian identity for me growing up, and the white kids in my suburb were, a few of them were pretty quick to tell me I'm not them. So I picked up a lot of shit from black culture when I was 12. I'm not white, right? I must be this other thing. So I picked up things there. So I've appropriated it. We have all appropriated it. So I don't have a problem with it generally speaking. But if we are in this accountability of appropriation culture, that's where I get a noise. So I think, so real quick, I think a couple of things happen, right? Where it's like, I think there's like a true feeling I would imagine of displeasure and anger that like a group that could make you feel lesser than or remove access from certain things would take something that is made cool by you and then monetize it and make money of it. So there's a real frustration. It's like, hold on. I thought we weren't good enough. And now all of a sudden, not only are you doing our shit, but like you making money of it, that's crazy. And that's when this admiration becomes appropriation. So when you say you don't have a problem with appropriation, I think you don't have a problem with admiration. Appropriation is when somebody dons it and wears it. And it's ours. This is us. Especially when they're monetizing. Especially when you're monetizing. Especially. I will say this. Also, there's like a third version where it's like appropriation has been used as like a tool, like a weapon almost. Yes. Where it's like, oh, there's a group of people we don't like. The most convenient way to call them out or take them down is appropriation because we cannot exist in this world in America without appropriating something. Yeah. Like literally that's the thing. Yeah. Like the music industry is... You wear a polo sport hat. You never played polo? Never in my life. Don't even know sport that much. You're in overalls. You've never been on a farm. I have. Where? Upstate? What are you doing here? What are you doing here? No, but you understand it. So it's like it can become a weapon where it's like, all right, I hate the Kardashians. Fuck them. You see how they're doing this shit. Blah, blah, blah. Appropriate, get rid of them. Let's just, let's use this as a way to like criticize this group of people. Fifty did it. Fifty did it. Probably the best. Fifty comes out. He has a problem with jaw rule. Fifty gets shot. Comes in the industry. Attacks jaw rule. And then does the same exact thing. What do you do? Makes the same melodic songs. Does the same... Oh. Fifty. If you listen to what Fifty was criticizing jaw rule for in those early June at radio mix tapes, it was, oh, you're singing. Oh, you're not really rapping. You're doing, you're doing these pop records. And then Fifty comes out with In the Club. Candy Shop. And then Candy Shop. Twenty-one questions. Twenty-one questions. This is second single. Oh, wow. It's like, wait, you got us to hate jaw rule and we stopped liking him. And now you became... He's genius. That motherfucker's a genius, bro. Yeah. It's like, that's, and that, right, we like that part, but when we look at it as a bigger part, that's appropriation. Yes. That's what's been going on for so long. And so the only problem is when we call it out and somebody says, I'm not appropriating while I'm still appropriating. Yeah. That's when it becomes a problem. That's the thing that none of us want to admit, though, is that we all appropriate. And in order for us to exist, we all got to appropriate something. Now, it's a little different when you're not the majority because you're forced to do certain things because like the culture has been established. Right. Right. So if like I live in India and I start wearing Indian outfits and shit, I guess I'm appropriating, but like mother fucker, I'm trying for you. You're not appropriating. That's good. Yeah. You're only appropriating if somebody looks at you and says, oh, shows that's fire. Oh, it is? Yeah. It's my shit. It's the shows. Okay. So there's admiration, assimilation and appropriation. And I think we're all in the middle. I think to be honest, we all, for the most part, we all live in the middle where we have to assimilate. Like you said, you had to assimilate closer to the black experience when you were growing up. Right. We're New Yorkers. Urban New Yorkers, you got to kind of assimilate. You're going to assimilate more or less to the blacker side of things. Yes. It becomes an appropriation way that somebody found you. Yeah. And you're like, shows, where you get that style of comedy? You came over to, you know. Yeah, all by myself. No influences. But that's the crazy thing about growing up in New York because it's like, it was so weird like, maybe this is just the pull and the power of black American culture. Mm-hmm. Like everybody was dragged in that direction. Yeah. And like we were influenced in other directions too, like Italian culture has a strong hold on, especially within, like the, honestly, New York culture is really this battle between like Italian and black and like almost a little like Irish or whatever like that. But like, Where would the Irish come from? I'm just not well versed in Irish culture. I think Italian and Irish culture is a lot of times because they were the two, like union, hard work, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you got you. So it's like a lot of those stereotypes that we just automatically attribute to Italian are also Irish. Some Irish. But the communities were kind of like, I wouldn't even say mixed, but like similar in the way that they developed. They were the white people that struggled, created something. It's always the people that struggle to create the cool shit, right? Because they can't do expensive things. Yeah. You have no choice. Yeah, I need swag. I don't have diamonds. You know what I mean? Like if I could just buy the expensive thing that gives me value, I would just buy it, so I got to make Converse cool. I got to make Vicky's cool, right? I got to make Tim's the shit. I got to make my work uniform the thing. The thing. Yeah. I always thought about that growing up when I couldn't get the car hard, I used to think like, what the fuck we want car hard anyway? Yeah. Fucking shit to be with. Talk to me and be with. Yeah. But now I love my car. I'd be like, now when I finally got it, I'm like, man. I'm wearing cars. I was so happy when I got my car. Man, this fucking idea. 100%. 100%. 100%. 100%. 100%. So that's, so I guess that's I think we all live in that assimilation part. And you see everybody gravitate towards it and we don't notice it in the moment because we're like, oh yeah, this is just what it is to be in New York and like, this is how we talk. Like this how the Asian kids talk. And this is how the Spanish kids talk. This is how the black kids talk. This is how the white kids talk. They went to like public school more. I went to private school. Private school kids were a little more of a complete different experience in school. I think people tend to forget that. The experience happens when you're around your peers. And if we're all poor, middle class, we're all sharing an experience. You might go to a better house. You might go home to a better house. But when we're at school and we're walking to school, that's when we're experiencing all this shit together. So the kids going to private school, you're having a different experience. You're having a different experience and you're like, oh yeah, that's so cool. Tommy went to the Hamptons this week. When I'm at Empire, when I'm hopping on the train to go to Empire in Brooklyn, when I'm 15, 16, they like, oh, okay, you from where? I don't know where Long Island, but you cool. Yeah, yeah. Because we match. Yeah. And it never felt like I'm wearing it. That's where- Well, because you grow up with it. It's like learning a language. It's like you learn what sneakers are cool because your friends got some shit and then everybody's like, oh, those are fire, oh, the Air Max is. I guess Air Max is cool. I'm going to start looking at Air Max. And that's just how that's against the importance of environment. Like we always talk about like- Right there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We always talk about like inclusion and stuff in terms of like film and movies. And that is very important. Seeing something that you could be that you didn't know you had access to. Absolutely. You know what I mean? Which is why, you know, Russ and Pete, that's why Virgil was so big. Yo, Virgil, but like, you know, the corny one or the hacking one, maybe say Jeremy Lin, but like that's real. Like there's an Asian kid that's going to end up in the NBA because they saw Jeremy Lin. Russell Peters made comedy for Indians. We knew it was possible. We didn't know until we saw him. Hell yeah. And like, yo, even as a white dude, like I remember when Jason Williams was playing, you know, like the white chocolate. Bro, it's like it was really cool to see a white dude play ball like how I wanted to play ball. Like besides that, it's Dirk Nowitzki. And anytime I'm hooping the dude's like, oh, give it to Dirk. I can't even shoot. I'm crossing people up, going to the basket, but they got no other white reference. Right. They're calling me the old lanky dude. Right. Do you think your call him next? Exactly. But you want to You want to be Luca. Luca. You want to be Luca. Luca. Exactly. So like having that representation is important, but what's also important is like having that representation in your friend group as a young age. Because like then the things you learn, the words you learn, like it just becomes so second nature. Like that's almost like when you see these and that's the crazy thing about the Internet is like you'll see these white kids in the suburbs like doing dances, wearing their clothes and using vocabulary that they would have no access to without the Internet. Without the Internet. Yeah. And that's when it becomes the problem. Because now they don't even know it is bad. You don't know it's bad. You don't know how to reference, you don't know how to have any reverence for it. You don't know where it's from. You don't know where it's from. So now you look at this kid and you're like, sure, the commerce side, he bought all the sneakers. But now because you bought all the sneakers, you just made it hard on somebody else. Nobody thinks about that. And they're not even thinking about that. They're innocently just buying the sneakers because they think it's cool. And now you take them all and now the poor person who, or not the poor person, let's say, because I don't want to offend anybody. The community, the community, the sneakers, cool, can't access the sneakers. Can't access the sneakers. The person who was inspired and came from that community and said, I'm going to make something that has reverence from where I come from. Those people that live there can't get to it because you took it over there. That's the bigger view of what appropriation looks like. And then that's the tricky thing is how do you solve that because you don't want to say... Bring crack back. Yeah. But you got to put in another neighborhood. They did that. Yeah, you got to put it in. Oh, yeah. You got to put it in. No, no. Fencing all this shit. I'm happy about meth. Yes. So payback, very happy. And I'm so glad you asked me. I feel so well-versed to answer that question. I've been waiting to answer that question. We're very happy. It is. In a comic sense. All these TV shows coming out about the opioid crisis, we're loving it. We're loving it. We're loving it. Because we loved the wire. Yeah. Oh, but it was too much. It was a little bit triggering. It was too close. We don't know anybody locked up for meth. Yeah. We don't know nobody locked up for meth, so it doesn't bother me. So now you see how much fun white people had in the 80s? No. Yes, I do. I will say this though. Are you protesting us killing you? Yeah, you're going to jail. You're going to jail. Get him out of here. Mel's going to bail you out, but you'll be there. Taylor got 500. Taylor got 500. Taylor got 500. True. Yeah, the meth thing is interesting. The meth thing is interesting because like the punishment adds up. What do you mean? Or like, okay. So meth is just what is meth essentially? It's like, it's like Adderall or whatever like that. It's like Adderall, but like a crazier version of it. I don't know. I don't know what it's specifically. I know it's an opiate. It's considered part of the opiate crisis. I don't think meth is an opiate. I think it's an amphetamine. Yeah, I think it's an amphetamine speed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think what happens is like the punishment for crack was way worse than the punishment for coke even though it was the same shit. But you're like, yo, that's super racist. It's the same fucking thing. The Rockefeller laws. Boom. So I think the same thing goes with meth. Like the meth, the punishment for meth is way worse. It's way worse than the punishment would be for like illegally having another kind of amphetamine, which is good because it's consistent because I think the punishment is based more on the crime that they see around the drug. The distribution. Well, also a distribution. And I think that's what was also happening with crack. They're like, oh shit, there's this crime that's going on. It's completely fucked up. It's racist. Absolutely. But these rich people could do coke. And then when they started out and with crack, it was a ain't no fucking rehab. And you saw it for a couple of months. It's no, I'm addicted to it. Maybe it's a proportion to the addictiveness of the drug. Like crack, you're so fucking addicted from what we were taught. So it's a deterrent. Your life is over with one puff. Right. They tell you your life is over with one puff, but you start to get a little bit older. You're like, I haven't, I don't know a lot of functioning crackheads. I know a lot of functioning cokeheads. Bro, it's crazy. Yo, these kids, I think is a party drug now. Yeah. It always was. In the 80s, but not with kids. It was like, I didn't stop brokers. There was still like, at least when I went to school, there was a little stigma to it. Like motherfuckers were like, I don't know, they could do it. But at the same time, it would be like, oh, you're doing. I'd never heard anybody doing coke in my suburban high school, soft high school. Oh, I'm in college. So I was going to Long Island. They were doing coke. They were doing coke. And they were doing and drinking. Like kids was drinking when we were like sixth, seventh grade. By the time we had high school, they were doing coke. Really? Yeah. I didn't know what the fuck a bump was. When I heard bump, I thought it was some of my wrestling moves. But that's what you call a wrestling move, like taking a bump. So I heard the kids say like, oh, taking a bump. I said, oh, we wrestling? Nah, I got a cell. Nah, y'all out y'all fucking mine. I'm going to go back to my side of the neighborhood. Y'all bugging over here. Yeah. You don't even drink. Nah, I don't drink and do nothing. Off all. Yo, you got to run. I know you said you got to be out. You got to get to that job you took from me? All right, guys, we're going to take a break for a second because I need to talk to you about Upstart. Are you carrying a credit card balance month after month? You're not the only one. High interest rates make it hard to pay off your debt, but Upstart can help you, OK? 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On the Black Effect Podcast Network, myself and Naila Simone, we are coming back. Love it. In the New Year. And the Trap Cariochi. Trapcariochi.com. Get your tickets. We are still going with it. We got Atlanta Left, Delaware, Atlanta. What is your favorite place to perform? Oh. Like what city did you enjoy the show the most? Chicago. Really? Chicago is so rough. Interesting. So to watch them embrace me. I go into these cities, not to like brag again, but like I go into these cities by myself. Yeah. Like, I mean, it's a rough city. Or if it's some street shit where it's like, I just cover me. But other than that, I go into these cities by myself. In and out. So it's just me on stage and I'm in front of a whole bunch of people that y'all live here. Y'all know each other. Y'all don't know me. Yeah. So to have such a city like Chicago that people talk about like dogs because of what's in drill music to have them fuck with me. They're as rough. They're as rough as you think they would be. But it's with love. Yeah. So when they love you, because they love me, they show me a lot of love. And in New Orleans, New Orleans is always a good time. It's just such a musical place. It's such a musical city. New Orleans is amazing. I have all the bounce artists come out for me. So like I have Hot Sizzle come out. This last time I was going to have Super Bad come out. So it's like all those records that you, you know, Hot Sizzle is the guy you hit on Drake's What's that one? What's that one? No feelings? Am I feelings? Kiki. And it's the one in the bounce moment in the beginning. That person. So that's Hot Sizzle. So he comes out and he makes them shake their ass and they go crazy. Like those cities that have like real huge cultural in Nashville. I can't forget Nashville. Okay. Nashville. Surprised you. Bugged. I didn't expect that. Yeah. I didn't expect that. We went to Nashville and I was like, oh, we'll probably never be back here. Yeah. We've been back like four times, sold out every time. Yeah. Nashville is the city. Great music city again. Great music city. Next time you're in New York, I'm in there. Listen, that's how that down. Yeah. Next time you're in New York, I'm in there. Listen, I'm singing too. You had no choice. You had no choice. You're my guest. You had no choice. Taylor, what we got, man? Some church announcements? Yeah, you. Okay. I'll go next. I was just saying for Bully and the Beast there's something you want to shout out, but yo, we announced in the Canadian leg of the infamous tour just to fill you guys out. Some of the controversy has been going on. There was this venue out there that found out that we were going to perform there. And then they said we couldn't perform at the venue. Massey Hall because of inappropriate jokes. So we moved it to another venue and the great people of Toronto. They liked the inappropriate jokes. So they sold that shit out three times. It was crazy. And we said, you know what? I'm not going to let these venues decide whether or not we give the Canadian people the jokes that they want, the jokes that they need. So we're going to do a Canadian leg of the tour. Those tickets are up right now. Pre-sale code is Schultz S-E-H-U-L-Z. And we are coming to Vancouver, Montreal, Winnipeg and Calgary. Obviously, we have the shows in Toronto. We might add another Toronto show. Toronto shows. I love Toronto. Toronto is amazing. Yeah, I'm coming to the Toronto shows. You got a come-through. That's going to be a wild time. So yeah, TheInterestSales.com. Make sure you use the pre-sale code. The regular sale goes on sale Friday, but get there early. TheInterestSales.com. We added more cities to the tour. Also, I'm getting married. Not going to stop? The goal is to go through the New York show here. I have a show in Atlantic City after that one, but the New York show here, Radio City. The 16th. The 16th, April 16th. You got to be there, bro. That's going to be fun. We haven't spoken about that. I know. I know. That's going to be fun. So yeah, the goal is to go through that, and then I want to do well, I can't announce it just yet. Oh, that's my favorite. Talk to us, Taylor. Also, go to Believe in the Beast podcast, Instagram. Go to the link. We got a live show coming February 5th. And for those who, I know how New York is with like, you know, vaccine and cars and everything, you guys could stream too. And they're actually cheaper than the other tickets to actually be physically there. But yeah, there's going to be games, special guests, and Wax is going to give his idiotic, brilliant advice live. And so will L'Oreal. Well, I'm going to be there if I'm in town now. Check out the podcast front of me, February 5th. That's my parents. That's my parents' birthday. I'm going to bring both. I'm going to bring them. I'm going to bring my birthday. Yeah, or year apart. Get out of here. February 5th and 6th. I mean, February 5th, one was born. My mom's older than my dad by a year. Get out of here. Well, for you, honestly, that's fire. I mean, just like for the both of them, it's like, let's just do one party for both of us. Oh, here goes the other part. Neither one of them give a fuck about birthday. Of course. So they just be like, they chill. They chill. They don't hit. They're not high strung about none of this shit. Yeah, I love it. I love it. I love it. That's not very crazy. Al. Oh, wait, I'm not done. Oh, shit. Sure. Nobody listened to this how you say it. Oh, that midtown. C-A-V-E-A-T. Sure. Let's go with that. Kavya Theater in midtown and they can get tickets at. At the Blaine. It's an event break, but it's go to Blaine the Beast podcast, Instagram. Or, you know, anywhere. It's going to be on Bring Idiots 2. Awesome. We're going to put the link on there too. And we're going to be in there. If I'm in town that weekend I'm there. I promise. And so on the weekend, I'm excited for your first show. Al. And we're recording at WTF Media Studios. If you like the quality and sound, come here. Book your session. WTFmediaStudios.com. Yes, sir. All right. Let's wrap this up. Let's do some asking idiots. You go be a, you boy got to make a bowel movement. You boy got to, I got to move some units. Let's see what we got here. This is based off of, I guess, earlier, how you called out. Al. And we're recording at WTF Media Studios if you like the quality without Alex for, that's right. Mr underscore e underscore Lee can we create a positive stigma for blacks to join law enforcement be the change that's a good question. No. I think that's a good question. No. Okay. And I know a white person. I know a white person asked that question. There's no because the Mr. E. Lee it's either black or Asian. No, Mr. E. Lee Robert E. Lee, oh yeah, that's how I got there. So he was like, removing Robert. Ah ha ha, very funny, okay? The reason I say that is because one, the inherent, the history of the police force, they were slave troops, they were slave catchers. That's what the police, that's where policing comes from. I don't subscribe to that. You don't subscribe to the truth? I don't know if that's entirely the truth. So there was no, if we go back. I've heard this rumor. It's not a rumor. But what you have to understand is like police forces have existed throughout humanity. It was either the army or somebody who was making sure that the law was upheld, like Rome I'm sure had like a police force. To say that its only purpose was to. Which was the army, which I agree with you. So in, during that time, during antebellum times, there was, the army was the people, you would see the troops visibly in these villages. Right, right, right. Once slavery became a thing, they said, well, it was always a thing. But once it became the number one export import for America at the time, they said, oh, well we need somebody to go catch these when they run away and we need to go get some more. Because people tend to forget, slave is a terrible thing. Let's not ever forget that. But people tend to forget, not all white people could afford slaves. It was expensive to have slaves. So what would somebody do who's trying to cut course? They cut course? Oh, I can't, I can't get the real one. I can't get these slaves the right way. I can't get these slaves the way everyone else. I can't purchase them the way everyone else does. But I do know somebody who's out here snatching free black people and selling them cheaper. So there was like a white Omar? There was people robbing the dope dealer, is that what you're saying? What I'm saying is there were white people that were going out catching free people and selling them into slavery. Gotcha, gotcha. And that is how, that's how people cut course. So to do that, you were using either these vigilantes or these, you know, one-off people or you were using the slave patrols. If you look at these badges, these badges are the same badge they were using back then. So if you ask me, is there a way for black people to infiltrate that and change it? No, because the black people that are going into it are being indoctrinated with that same bullshit. So now they're just doing the same job as the white men. But there was police forces in places that didn't rely on the slave trade as well. There's no question that that was part of the job. I just, I think that it's kind of misleading to say that that was like the sole purpose of the job. And then all of a sudden they started policing other things. You know what I mean? Like I think that, I think that, yeah, there's no question that there's a history of it and it's fucked up. But I do think that you can enter certain spaces and then change those spaces, man. Not when it's something that's insidious. Like this. So there's crime. I'm in, I'm in. Cop Alex here. You know you're familiar, there's crime everywhere. There's crime everywhere, yes. Would you prefer someone from the culture to police their own than somebody outside the culture who may not know how things go down and then they're going to interact with people of a different culture in a way that they're not used to. So you know, there's like people, let's just say, white people will go into a neighborhood that they don't feel comfortable in. So. Black people going, but the black people in these uniforms going in neighborhoods that they're not used to. Yeah. And they have the same reaction. What would you prefer? I would prefer neither one, I would prefer none of them in it. But if you ask me a question, you're just saying there needs to be though. I don't, I don't, and that's where I inherently, and that's where I disagree the most. I don't agree with there being a police form. I don't, I do think we would benefit greatly from abolishing police and then creating something new. Like. But you have to abolish. A police, a different type. A new, a new, you can't reform. We keep saying we want to reform. You're going to be a police force though. Right, but if we break what's been, this police form that's been going on, this has been a police form that's been going on for centuries and at the heart of it has been, keep your foot on the black and the poor. So I guess what I would say about the police is, and I have empathy for them, because I feel like they're the group of people that deal with the problems of systemic racism the most and systemic income and equality. So it's like, we put these rules in place to hold down certain groups of people and when they break the law, I don't want to say maybe largely, but when they break the law because of the situations that they were forced to live in, we got one group of people who got to punch them for breaking the law. Right. Right? So it's like, now it's like you making these cops deal with all the fuck shit that politicians put in place for years. But what about them? So you see what I'm trying to say? Police become sure, but that would say- Like police didn't make red lining, but they help enforce it. Of course. And you know why they help enforce it? Because they benefit from it. Why? Because they don't want to live next door to niggas either. Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure. They benefit for it. I hear what you're saying right there, but they're also doing it because now I'm not saying you should just do your job because you should. Like that's wrong. Like that's what the fucking Nazis did. Like they were doing it. They just did their job. You don't do that shit. But what is it like you have a moral obligation to break immoral laws? That being said, I do empathize with the position they're put in where we just make them be the one-stop-shop for all the fuck shit that we did throughout history. It's like, we got to also take some accountability. And then we got to apply some change to that. What I'm saying is just scrapping- But they don't want the change. I guess what I'm trying to say is if we just scrap it and make a new version of it. The new version got to be better. Yeah, it's got to be better, but it's going to still deal with all the problems we made. So- The same problems are going to arise. Income equality doesn't go away. Income equality doesn't go away. But with something new, you have new eyes viewing income equality. What about this? What about this? You start fixing the problems that cause these situations, right? You start dealing with income equality. You start dealing with mental health. Don't you think their job will have less fuck-up-able situations? No. See, I think their job will have less fuck-up-able situations. Because the job isn't something they're stepping into. They're enacting... No, no, no. These cops that we're talking about with these fuck-up-able moments that cause black people their lives. Everyone, I know other people die, but at the numbers, black people are dying. The most out of these fuck-up situations. And what happens is it's not so much the job. It's the people going into the job. So the uniform is the uniform. The person that steps in the uniform already has a fucked-up view of black people. Already has a fucked-up view of white people. Already has a fucked-up view of poor people. And who is deserving of what? You get what I'm saying? So now they just have... Now this uniform just gives them the wherewithal, the ability and the confidence and courage to act on it. No, I 100% think that there are bad people in every situation, they'll get me wrong. I guess what I'm trying to say is like, there's a kid who's growing up in a certain neighborhood. Let's just say because it's the most talked-about example like Chicago. Where the kid basically reaches a certain age where he's getting beat up every day on his way to school and he's like, man, I'm tired of getting beat up every day on the way to school. I got to join up with some dudes so I don't get beat up. So he got to join up with these dudes and I get beat up. Now he got to do a certain amount of fucked shit so these dudes allow him to be in because you can't just join up, not get beat up. 100% agree. So now you're doing fucked shit that you didn't want to do. You just wanted to go to school without getting beat up. Now he can't go to school without getting beat up. He don't have his dad to take him to school because his dad got locked up off with some weed charge that now weed is legal but he's still fucking in jail. 100% agree. So now, and his mom would... I see where you're going. I see where you're going. All these different things and I'm like... There's only one difference. Well, I guess what I'm trying to say is like, well, what if we started fixing these systemic issues? So the pops ain't in jail. We started fixing these... Mom's able to earn a great living. And now we have the dad who gets to drive to school every day. Now you don't have to join up with this gang and now suddenly you have a kid who's not walking around the streets with a gun, gets in an altercation. And it has to boom somebody. Maybe he has to, or maybe a cop is hearing, oh shit, these kids in this neighborhood are crazy, violent. He hears about all these shots. Now the cop is walking in that situation. Black, white, Asian, no matter what the cop is, he's walking in with this gun ready to go because he's like, oh fuck, I hear these kids are shooting. The way you solve that, at least for me, is you fix the problems that almost forced that kid, or yeah, forced that kid into that life. If you make him not have that life, you fix those problems, then the next time that cop sees that kid, he's dappin' him up at a fuckin' police, athletically basketball game. A few things inherently wrong with that. I think the first one I would address is the fact that I do agree with you with fixing the systemic issues. I don't want this to be taking that mouse doesn't, I believe the systemic issues are at the root of the problem. But triage to me says, if somebody comes in with a bullet hole and they got diabetes, I'm gonna, let me try and stop this, but let me stop this bleeding before I start talking about the motherfuckin' diabetes. Yeah, I'm with you, yeah. The bullet hole right now is us dying at the hands of police and no one being held accountable, right? So yes, the systemic issues need to change. They need to be high on the priority list, but what we need to do is immediately stop the bleeding, which is the black bodies that drop and nobody is held accountable for them. Yes, I agree. Especially when it's done at the hands of police. Yes. So that's what we need to stop. Then the other thing is how? How? By just getting rid of all police? No, I think at the greater, because they got rid of police and then the deaths went up. And over in, where that ends? Everywhere, where the hell rid of them? I think what happened is that in Portland, it happened in Minneapolis. Well, I don't think it's fair to, believe it or not. That's her crime. I'm not saying they're the best, that we can't improve police. But you can't, I don't think we can, because they're doing exactly what they're to do. Well, we can make change. I guess that's a longer discussion, but I think we can make a better version of anything. We can make a better version of an electric car. We can make a better version of the police force. We can make a better version of. I don't think we can make a better version of this police form. I don't think we. You don't think we do? I don't think we can because it's in, like I said earlier, that shit is incestuous. It's in the blue. That's what the shit is. The fucked up way to view black and poor people, it's in the blue. You wear that suit and that is the thing. You talk about the quotas. You talk about people pulling the side. Hey, you didn't pull over enough people this week. You know where you got to go and fix that. That's a real thing. And when somebody stands against it, they silence them and get in the fuck out of there. So maybe we need people of color in those positions of power so they don't get the fuck out of there. Like Eric Adamson. I don't know. No, it doesn't work that way. They get those people out of there. Yeah. Because now he's mayor. And watch what the fuck. Me and Alex are fucked. He's not. He's not for us. That's what I was saying. No, he were fucked. He's team blue. He's a cop. Once a cop, always a cop. Yeah. And I mean, I don't blame that. Like I see why. So I get what you're saying. So you're saying we have to just restart the whole system. Yes. That's what I'm saying. Come back to the original question. When you restart the whole system, wouldn't you want representation in that system? With a new system? Yes. But just having more black people join this fucked up system is what I'm against. But you recognize realistically, we can't restart a system. Like there's a police force. I think we're on a brink of restarting a few systems with just the way the last 17 to 24 months have been going. I think we're going to see a lot of reset to system. You are leading a charge in a reset of a system on a different scale with how you attack comedy and how you attack. That's ideological. There's a difference between ideology and behavior and actuality and systems in place. So for comedy, the way that I have done comedy and also the way that I put out comedy content, yeah, I can change the way that comics put out their content and then maybe set a standard for how comedy can be done in an environment where it's very difficult to make certain jokes. So I could do that. But when it comes to a police force, it's like there's budgets and shit that go into it. There's pension funds, it's a much different structure. The unions and all of that. But what you can do is change an ideology that can then affect those systems. Not behind that wall. That's where you and I probably disagree. That wall, that says if a woman cop is raped by another cop, you shut the fuck up. If a cop, if... I didn't know that was the wall. That code, Alex, tell me the code of blue, that blue wall of silence. Female cops? If you just do anything, it's hush-hush. Everything stays in house. No one gets in trouble. No one speaks up. Yeah, we take care, we police our own, but there's no policing. Yeah, but a woman cop, that's... Wait, wait, wait. So listen, listen. I forgot where I just seen this shit. Why isn't she the code? Why isn't she the blue too? What happened to protect the blue? She's blue? Because there's no such thing as blue. There's no such thing as a blue life. It doesn't exist unless you're in a fucking James Cameron movie. There's no blue lives. You're still black, you're still white. You're still a man, you're still a woman and you have to live that life once you take that uniform off. But they have been conditioned to believe that that uniform is a part of their character. They'll protect the blue before they protect black, white, yellow. We have, and that is the thought process, we have to do away with that. We have to destroy that system and let a new one begin. But as a former military member, you were a part of the same system? That's a little different. That's why you call it a... That's why the police are called the power of military. You tell other people and you have no idea why you're killing these people. So I can come home. But it's an equal threat. I'm here, somebody has a gun. But they're saying the same thing. They're saying the same thing. They're policing these communities and it's like, hey, I had to do what I do. But no one's attacking them. No one's attacking them. Sometimes people are attacking them. And they know the threat. No one's attacking us, bro. They have a mouth. They're walking into a scene not knowing what's gonna go. Fuck the scene, they're creating the scene. That's what they would say about us. Who's us? Us, America, out there in the Middle East, the shit we created the scene. That's what they would say. Right, and then they send a bunch of useless bodies over there. And then our surprise is when we come back and that's why we're living out in the streets and things of that nature. But that's a whole nother discussion. They send us over there. At least when we get there, no one is going... But this is, sorry to interrupt, but this is a good point where it's just like, we're not gonna get rid of the military any time soon. But you know what we could... And I don't want to be painted as I'm super pro-military. I'm just take care of the people that took care of us. I'm just saying, we're not gonna get rid of the military any time soon. But I bet even the people in the military would agree like, yo, let's not waste these people's time. Let's not have them fighting pointless wars. Let's not let their fucking legs get blown off for shit that we shouldn't even be there in the first place. And that's a change in ideology. And I bet even people in the military be like, fuck yeah, I don't wanna be out here having shit explode all around me for no goddamn reason. So why don't we also do that to police? We could keep the police, but just find a way to change the ideology. And if that was possible, I would be with you. I am with you in theory, yes. But there's zero way to do it. Fair enough. But the simple fact, and Alex is my dog, I love him. Alex, I love him, you know how that... For the simple fact of, Alex's first instinct was to what? When we started this conversation, his first instinct was to defend police. I don't know, no, no, no, no, I said it would help to, for inclusion of black people in the police system. Yeah, he didn't say that he was defending what they did. He was like, we need to change what they're doing. Like I was... And having more black people. To a very, very small degree, I was changing the system when I was in it. Cause like when I saw white cops who would speak a certain way to defend his that I didn't like, I'd be like, yo, chill. So it's like, that's changing the system from within. And you can only do that unless you have some representation. And you create a more passive environment because now when you're talking to these people, you're talking to these defendants, right? And you're speaking to them in a certain way where they're not hyped up, angry, pissed off because they've been abused by the fucking court officers. And then by the time we get to trial, they're just screaming on people. It's like, nah, they're getting in there with a court officer that might understand them, knows how to talk to them, respects them. And now they're coming to court, they're like, okay, fine, I might have a shot. I'm not gonna have my fist balled. I'm about to swing on somebody because these cops are rallying me the fuck up before. I don't know, I could see little change, but I could also see how someone who has, have your experience could think that is impossible for change to happen. I will just keep looking at it, right? I've been out the streets. I just know how great white people are. Oh shit. I know we're capable of, and I know that we can be the change we wanna see in the world. Listen, we all know. Since we have white males, we all know what y'all capable of. Ha ha ha ha ha. Oh shit gon' change. Shit y'all might not like it, but shit gon' change. Anyway, look, mouth shows, I love you, bro. Thank you so much for coming out, man. I appreciate you holding it down while Charlotte's gone. Of course. Guys, this has been another episode of Brilliant Idiots. If you think we said something absolutely genius, you are right. If you think we said something that is absolutely ridiculous, idiotic even, you are right too. This is the Brilliant Idiots podcast. We'll see you next week. Peace.