 If we could just start by by introducing yourself and telling us a little bit about how you got into the black chain community And how you've gone from there to where you are now correct good So yeah, I actually have a background in management consulting spent 11 years with a company called cap Gemini and Somewhere along the way decided, you know started looking at blockchain a couple of years ago and then decided to take the plunge and venture out myself and That's when I started my venture one of them called block armor where we're doing cyber security using blockchain technology With one of my co-founders who's the former chief information security officer of India's National Stock Exchange And then here in Singapore. I have a blockchain design studio where we help enterprises basically design and Develop next-gen next-generation networks using blockchain technology Last but not the least I'm I advise that you brought the stock exchange and and they are chief blockchain officer It's interesting, right? When was the last time you heard a stock exchange do something exciting an official stock exchange, right? So you've mentioned cyber security so blockchain technology looks like the best idea for cyber security But how does that work? Very interesting, I'll share with you what we are doing really so what we do is we focusing on critical systems Now what is a critical system for a stock exchange? It's the main trading platform For an airport. It's the air control towers for you know for a bank is the core banking application these are the 20 or 30 percent of Applications or the golden nuggets the crown jewels in an enterprise that you want protected at all cost So that's what we focused on and then we use a technology Which has been originally developed by and used by the US military and we render those servers invisible So how can some how does someone attack a system that they can't even see? How do you DDoS a server that you don't even know exist and then we use blockchain technology to do Identity and access management because you need to have genuine users access to serve us. So yeah, we use digital identity on the blockchain and for both humans and devices and Basically provide secure access to that critical infrastructure So it seems like you're systematically building almost like the economy of the future Because you have the stock exchange and and so what does because I know you spoke today about the token economy And I want to know what what does the the future token economy look like to you? Correct I think it's interesting times right and and there are two or three things when you look at the token economy number one is the whole Decentralization right today you have a lot of centers at power and if you see Blockchain or Bitcoin the original thing was how do you disintermediate all these gatekeepers, right? And so that's exciting and today You don't have to go to a stock exchange to kind of do a token sale You just say I want to do a token sale You don't need so much permission. Of course, hopefully that gets regulated to some level because and and and that's where we step in right? What we think is you're not regulating it, but hey, we play that one step In front right so let's say today you're on one side. You've got the guys doing ICOs so how You know, how do they know and and let me take a step back One thing I mentioned today is today if you look at the ICO space of the tokenization It's just the blockchain companies companies that are core blockchain But going ahead tomorrow, you'll see e-commerce companies that will start to doing token sales Going ahead. You'll see simple Cafes and all sorts of brick-and-mortar companies that will also start to tokenize right so we're right at the start Now the blockchain companies well, they know it but cafe on Commerce stop they have questions. How do we tokenize? How do we know whether a token is a utility or is it a security? How do we know what's the right way to go about doing a token sale on one side on the other side? You've got participants today. You don't need to have a stock exchange account or Whatever to participate in a token sale You have an Ether wallet and you instantly start to participate. You can have tokens. You can buy tokens you can invest you can pick up utility coins and But people need to know how do I know that this these guys are genuine? How do I know that no someone's not going to vanish, right? If I have 1,000 coins today How do I know which is the top 25 that suits what I'm really looking for and so that's where we come in and say hey Now you've got a traditional stock exchange that's doing also going to have a blockchain exchange and we're tying the two together and and so Here's what we say what we think is good stuff and so people can start to follow that follow through on that You've mentioned regulation. It seems like the token economy is a bit in a gray area with regulations Yeah, so we've seen Chinese that I see open we have in a lot of issues and difficulties with the regulation How do you think the regulation will look like for the talk? So here's the thing Yes, you've got countries and you've got nation states that says hey, no Absolutely zero right, but I believe that's temporary tomorrow Again, it's today because what they can see and there are a lot of reasons that they're things like KYC Anti-money laundering CFD that they also need to protect against and that's why you're seeing that stop because otherwise, it's this crazy rush and the herd mentality and then everyone and then you've got scammers you've got you know people doing poems these humans so Tomorrow if somebody gets scanned he's going to say hey regulator. What were you doing and so so till we figure out this and how We can protect the small investors. Let's just put a stop to that We'll come back to it on the other side. You've got places like Gibraltar I think Switzerland's put out something recently and and places where the regulator is saying great guys You want to do tokens that great and here is some framework here is some guidelines to make sure that you are dear to A, B, C and D and then we are okay with it and we take care of investors of not just invest But the common man who's now who's now without a central regulating piece or a central System simply going and investing in you simply going and buying your tokens, right? So I see you guy Just make sure you are there to these things and then you're fine and So I think that's a great start and there are a few nations that are picking the lead and then Again, we are still at the very beginning of this. It's got a long way to go So I think it's already a good start the guys who've stopped it will of course come around and the moment they figure this out They'll they'll put in their guidelines. They'll put in their risk and risk controls and things like that and then This will evolve