 I liked the dad yes you know what's his name again the one who making me hurt okay i'm gonna stop welcome back to life lessons in film today what will you make a sense of life through the trial of the Chicago seven oh wait i should go to the middle did you go to the left of the way no i can't what's the matter you know i have this in the middle okay we'll do what you want to do welcome back to life lessons in film today we'll be making sense of life through the trial of the chicago seven good film fine film fine film yeah it uh it follows the historical events of the chicago riots during the vietnam war in protest of the vietnam where hundreds of protesters went to protest the democratic national prevention and they got met with police lots of police and police violence and police brutality and then the trial afterwards is trying to figure out who started it whether it was the police or the protesters and that's what the story revolves around the yeah the main defendants that are representing the the whole protest group yeah well they are put together yeah uh they're it's orchestrated strategically yeah so it's a political trial as abhi says yeah even though everyone said there is no such thing as both trial yeah oh yeah maybe you're both up yeah it's not to say that these people that are on trial are actually working together necessarily they just i suppose have the same vision of america which is stop the wars yeah um but they're not necessarily in this in the same group or organization but then they were all you know put on trial as though they were i'm tired oh my god you called this meeting at some point i want to make a comp like a compilation of all the times you've said i'm tired on our videos yeah because i always am like my job is it's quite yeah it's it's takes up a lot of energy maybe i wouldn't say grueling would you say grueling not grueling i wouldn't say grueling no i like it so i would never never say i associate it with anything that's grueling but it's more just cumbersome cumbersome yeah i liked how uh the idea of being in a group or well not necessarily being in a group but having the same kind of um outcome in mind yeah and not actually having agreeing on or believing in the same strategy to obtain that outcome especially when you have i guess how to say left-wing that's they the the defendants were all generally left-wing right and so you have in my in your mind okay well if we're both left-wing leaning that means we have we look at we have the same kind of worldview and i think that this movie was great for me because it actually portrayed the fact that that is not the case you have abby who is super eclectic and just like groovy yeah and then you have tom hayden who is left-wing but is incredibly conservative well and he's hayden i think is a good example of and i'm guilty of it too right when people like to think of the counterculture of the 60s people think oh you know it's the majority of people were against the war and the majority of people were pot smoking hippies and i was like they were still a small minority like that's that's really the thing is that you know you there's only ever so big a portion of the population that is of one demographic or one particular movement yeah right um but in all the footage you see of historical records of the 60s the summer of love it just seems like wow everyone in america just grew their hair out you know and and was just like wearing tie-dye and just listening to trippy music but it's still a small portion there were still a lot of of people that that you know were suited up and they and they didn't like that movement at all or that called that subculture and then there were even exactly um considered left-wing people but were still also very about maybe evolving but maintaining or working within the system it's it's i love that you bring that up because i remember tom hayden was so upset with abby and so irritated with his strategies because he was like well you know people when history remembers this time they're gonna remember you you know they're gonna remember us as just like these pot smoking you know hippies instead of looking at us as serious people who actually want to make a change yeah that's what they're gonna look back at it's true like when you you know we do look back at that time that is a lot of what we see yeah i mean generally we assume that if you are left leaning you are disruptive but you know you're trying to do all these things which is definitely not the case because there's so many facets of every single side yeah um so that's the thing that i really like about them that movie and um yeah i don't believe that we're on spectrums in this case i'm very much about the spectrum for a lot of things when it comes to mental health and some such but i've converted to the kaleidoscope way of looking at all of political leanings that makes more sense to me because anytime i tried to figure out myself or other people i knew on the spectrum uh political spectrum never quite fit because then you'd find out like okay they're here but then they'd have something that feels like it would pull them all the way through their sides so you're like well that's because it you know it just doesn't work for me that way people are just a constant mix and it's always mixing and falling into each other and you know combining into more trippy combinations of light and yeah and uh filament and beauty so that's the thing everyone is a bit of a mix there and then tom hayden who seems the most um let's work within the confines of that we find ourselves in he was the one that arguably kind of started the right you know and i can relate with abby's feelings throughout the trial where he is the most clearly disrespecting to the judge like he can see right away that the judge is incompetent and he's not even making an effort yeah he's like well you clearly aren't doing you don't know what you're doing so why should i take this seriously at all you know he's really just and he's already made his decision that's the thing i think it's just one of those things where you've already judged me yeah uh i know i'm going to jail no matter what so why am i even gonna try like this is a source of time just put me in jail it's just yeah it's for the optics really this whole trial yeah yeah because it's interesting hayden as as much as the judge continues to be biased continues to um act illegally really he is so committed to the the structures of governance within the courtroom and um in america yeah and so he's he's it that was really interesting to me because i think a lot it's just it that's that difference between abby and um and hayden of yeah we have rules we have laws but hey abby does not respect the rules or the laws because they're just there to basically have people believe that they are living in they have security they you know laws are like kind of like god you know people who believe in god have that sense of security that i'm not alone yeah there is safety yeah and there's a system here and there's order yeah um and so abby in his mind he's like no these are just there to make us believe this but that's not the reality and that is why we're here you know if these laws actually work i wouldn't be on trial yeah hayden on the other hand no despite the trial commits he just doesn't he doesn't want to see any different and that there are people like that too it is obviously comforting to to know that you have that kind of security he's a true believer in in state governance and yeah you know maybe it's better for your mental health to have that view because he went on hayden went on to uh be in i think work as a senator or something that looks like for like one like five or six terms or something so he's popular and maybe he did some some helpful stuff in in in his career working in the system and then abby ended up killing himself yeah so yeah and maybe uh it's who knows maybe hayden in the long run did actually make more change in terms of at least within you know within uh the government yeah there was that question of you know to go against the system or not to go again to or not to or just to um assimilate to it right because it's kind of like someone i don't know who said this but something like to change the system you have to become part of it first if you want to change it like you it's kind of like you know accept the world for others then you can change yourself or otherwise if you can't change the world then change the way you react to the world kind of thing yeah something like that one thing that i also found interesting about this movie was that the you know like the i the judge right the judge got there because he well you would if you're in that kind of position we're obviously gonna assume that you got there because you have all of these accolades that entitle you to that position and so then you know how the world is set up right like there's that whole thing where looking at someone as an authority and respecting uh the authority for the fact that they work so hard to have gone to that position presumably however because of how the judge is right he may have honestly gone to school he may have done well he may have gone through you know what he has to go through to become a judge and being placed in that position fairly however it doesn't justify what he what he does just because he's a judge and just because he may have had a background that entitles into that position it didn't make it it didn't validate the behavior his behavior because he would be he always went on about you know you have to respect me this is my court you know and the fact of obviously he comes in he leaves all everybody has to rise um i i definitely aired more on um uh abby's side here because then him and the other guy ended up saying like let's not stand let's not rise when it's time to rise but then Hayden of course being you know a stickler for the system and he does rise later he says oh that was just like force of habit which again is like you are so much part of the system that is a force of habit right but yeah for me like someone like that it's it's just kind of i don't believe that just because you're in a in a position of power you um deserve my respect you have you are just like everyone else because just like you know you're a judge imagine things like going to like a cop a cop is it someone who's in a position of power a security guard is someone in a position of power all of these people it just manifests differently your parent is someone is in a position of power but just because they are that and you they are in that position of power because of um what the system decides you know deserves um accolades or respect you know it doesn't justify it yeah like it doesn't justify any kind of behavior or it's kind of like your it's a paper right you are you became this because of uh because of certain structures that you managed to you know like to to uh meet the demands of but for me that's not enough there's much more to a person than just their position so you're not going to be absolved just because you're a judge yeah to me actually it's almost more the opposite of just getting respect once you get to a certain uh job title level or something like that because to me if you get to level of judge how then are you able to act so unjudged like and not at one point be like oh my god I'm a judge I am basically calling the shots on on on this whole thing affecting so many people you know like that should be something that reminds you more to act your title or act appropriately or to reflect on these things on how your how your behavior is towards other people I think it's it has less to do with the position but to with the person yeah that kind that judge the judge judge Hoffman is an insecure man who is you know kind of like he's he's that guy who buys a super loud expensive fast car right because he's compensating for something so he gets to compensate for whatever he insecurities he has with this position just like again back to the security guard right like comparatively these two people are just such a far stretch from me like they're from each other right so starkly different but you do get security guards who use that smidge that little bit of um power that they are given when they are at work you know to be extremely unkind and to you know to be menacing um and that doesn't mean you know it has nothing to do with the position itself it just has more it has to do with the person because at the same time in the same vein you've met a great a judge who is absolutely fair you've in the same vein met a cop that is absolutely fair or a security guard that's absolutely fair or whoever in a position of power that is absolutely fair so I don't think it has anything to do with the position per se I think it depends on the person yeah I think sometimes you know it's easier like there are people who are operating on that level in the world of um just give me the rules I just want the rules I know I need to know how to get them from point A to point B I don't need anything else and they just follow that and they don't understand or interact with anything outside of that and that's a shame yeah um and so I think that's basically what it is and that's yeah yeah which yeah okay that's a good way to lead into where uh another thing um is that it um power is not self legitimating because laws are man made meaning that at some point they had to come into existence you know probably replacing old law which means that you need to constantly be questioning does this still make sense do we still need this or should we clean it out with a spring cleaning do we still need that thing that's been in the garage forever or maybe we don't actually use it anymore maybe we can kind of get a new one or just replete you know just get rid of it all together you know and but if you don't believe I think if you if you feel like um you must respect a certain authority no matter what then that makes it a lot tougher to kind of really look at is this still needed you know and um and it's and that's the thing that that institutions especially start with all the world the catholic church I think we touched on it in the previous video the two popes where it's tough to then if you're not constantly thinking about does this actually seem relevant still you know if you're not constantly doing you're just like well this is how it's always been and we gotta stick to it because that gives some consistency some constancy in life which I believe there really isn't much the only the only constant in life has changed permanency is the only permanent right impermanence is the only you know constant so but it's tough it's tough to live that way and I think some people their mindset does favor more just I have to live there's some stability yeah constant thing that I can guide me you know yeah I liked the dad yes you know what's his name again the one who okay I'm gonna stop I like that the dad um he involves his kids and his child and his son and his very involved I mean he's very honest about what he's doing which he's not coddling the kid oh no innocence oh we can't yeah because yeah at the end of the day people kids grow up and it's better to have them be prepared for what's to come and I think he does a really good job of you know explaining to him what's going on in a very in a way that is subtle but like at the same time very informative yeah so I like that and the kid ends up going to going to court with the mom and he's super proud of his dad that was also really nice to see yeah yeah and you and uh I like that relationship yeah yeah it's nice to see kid parent relationships like that that seemed very communicative with each other it's unfortunate that we even have that concept of he's treating like the kid like an adult yeah what does that even mean yeah we really just mean like they're just like a person like a person you know instead of like this they're they're giving explain they're like oh you don't know where I'm going this is where I'm going this is why I'm going really just basic stuff really exactly I feel like sometimes we think that oh no this is way beyond the realm realm of a child's understanding but kids are very um perceptive and also even if they haven't experienced something you can explain it to them yeah I mean we've met people who are like you know 90s right and they can't yeah you can't even explain anything to them they are like kids literally in the way that we think kids are yeah and uh and then you've met like kids who you can actually have a conversation with and explain stuff to them and they're kind of communicating with you so I do like that I like I like that relationship a lot you know the dad just like treating their kid yeah like a person you know is there anything else maybe that's it maybe that's all I have to say that's all I have to say about that yeah yeah I think that's it but you know that was some stuff that uh that we uh thought about regarding the trial of the Chicago seven what did you guys think yeah you seen it did you uh pick up on those things or other things let us know down below if you hadn't seen it let us know down below if you hadn't seen it maybe you're curious you know maybe we've uh sparked an interest for you either way say goodbye now say goodbye okay till next time that's a wrap