 I'm still figuring out how to use threads, but you can follow us on twilight 2 for 4 channel. I also still got threads, by the way, to Brian Saco 101 and the rest of the platforms, and this is the last conversation of the day, and we'd love to also hear and sample your feedback as you continue to interact with our guest who is already live with us in studio. She is Beatrice Vecche, she's a journalist and journalism, of course, radio, TV, and many other things, but she's going to tell us who she is and what she does, and also her journey through media, Karibusana, Beatrice, and good morning. Good morning to you too, Brian. Beatrice Vecche, you know, when I saw the name, the first thing that I thought of next was Jackie Vecche, the actress. I was even asking Benja, are they related? But when I met you, you told me no. In fact, you've never met her. No, I haven't. But you're a fan of hers? Yeah, I am, of course. All right. I'm looking forward to meeting her and asking her, like, how did she get the name? All right. How did she get the name? Or how did you share the same name? How did she? But I think you're related. One day I'll ask her. Good one. You might be your sister, your big sis, or your cousin. No, sister, no, we wouldn't. No, sister, you might even find you are triplets, but the other triplet is in another country, situations. But anyways, Karibusana, great to meet you. So tell us a little bit about your journey, your story, and how did you become a journalist, the biggest and most important profession of all in the world? Mm-hmm, it is. Although most people don't seem to think so. You see, like in school, our teacher used to tell us that those people who go the media way are those who failed in school. I didn't understand why, yeah. So we, like, don't take up these big careers like engineering and medicine and stuff like that. Anyway, my name is Beatriz Vique. I'm a journalist, like you said. I've done broadcast journalism, so it features both radio and TV. Apart from journalism, which is my major, of course, I've done as well as main work, secretariat and HR. Secretariat HR, meaning that all you call us, one-and-a-cum, email, some of it out. A lot of them, and it's a lot of work. Yeah, so you worked at a HR company before, or just a general corporation? It's actually something I'm still doing right now. Oh, you're still doing, it's like you know your current job. I'm a jack of all trades here. Oh my God, it's okay. Yeah, so I've done HR and secretariat. I have a podcast as well. Right, a podcast. Yeah, it's called The Safe Space. The Safe Space. Why the name The Safe Space? Because it's a safe space where we get to talk about everything without judgments. So that is the byline, the description of the podcast. Which one is your recent, let's say, relevant topic of discussion in your Mongolia? Mental health and femicide. What did you guys point out in the podcast? Mostly it was with the femicide having risen recently, the cases are so many. So we wanted to relate femicide and mental health issues. Because I was listening to someone who said, most of the time we are quick to judge the people who care, but we don't understand maybe the background and what led them to being who they are. They could be dealing with mental issues from way back then. It's not like they're just on a spree to care because they love it. So they are dealing with mental issues sometimes and maybe those people who are the perpetrators, they also need to be helped through these kind of situations. So we dwell mostly on the victims and say, end femicide, but what about the perpetrator as well? Yes, like what are we doing about it? And sometimes it's good to even trace the root cause of a problem before treating the surface disease, which I feel like a lot of people do not pay attention to that much. We might build a lot of jails for them. We will take them to jail. And they still come out or still kill someone in jail. But there are like five or ten Mataras out there who are still doing the same thing, but what are we doing about them and trying to like just... Nice. That was a good conversation. Looking at it on the other side, which I feel like most of the people just paid attention to this other side. Right, interesting. Now journalism, for me, I believe journalism is a business. It's a trade and you must make money out of it. Apart from just being talented and having a voice or a face or both of them, I believe I have both a face and a voice for radio. It's not a compliment, but just normal to me. But apart from having a face and a voice for radio as well, it's a business and it's a trade. And I usually say in it, you're networking with people and you must grow. And it's a journey and an experience. So for you, when did you officially start walking down that journey? And what are some of the tidbits of it that you picked up across that have finally landed you here on this seat? You see, when I was going to school and actually while in school with the menu of my schoolmates, you have this mentality that I'll get through this period of schooling and then I'll get probably a big job at a big radio station or a big TV station, which doesn't happen always. You see, for you to learn that big job, you lack also plays. As much as you have the talent, the face and everything, you're also lucky because how many journalism students do you know of? How many journalism schools do you know of? So we have trained a lot of journalists, but these jobs are not necessarily there so that you just finish school and get this big job. So you also have to think outside the box. As much as I'm doing this, what else can I do? Maybe in the same direction, in the same line that is going to earn me money, like you said, it's a business. Yeah, but at every university or every facility or just a higher learning institution, then I churn out hundreds of thousands of students, not just journalism as well. And like you said, I believe opportunities are there, but now that with the era of digital, there's something now called digital journalism. Now we'll talk about your podcast, which is I believe also part of the digital journalism, which is now a thing that has taken over digital media or other quality electronic media. I think there's even some institutions that offer it as a major, electronic media as a full-cost journalism course. So how did you finally start now reaching out to, let's say, practicing stations or even practicing facilities that finally gave you an opportunity to start? You mentioned to me off the air, you are a news writer, and then at some point you went to an online radio station, became a show broadcaster, like how did that morph for you? So I'm an alumni of KMC, and you know KMC, that is Kenya Institute of Mass Communication, and you know KMC, obviously it's the biggest media school in Kenya, and they have this, I would say it's almost like a requirement when you finish school, you have to be taken to a Kenya office for you to work there. Kenya's Kenya news agency, for three months, and then once you're done, then you'll go for your own internship in any other place you may want to. So you enrolled for a diploma or a degree? A diploma. All right, that took how many years? Two or three, okay. Yes, so I was lucky because coming from KMC, I had to be taken to a Kenya news agency institution where I had to work for three months, and then after that I went back to school, after school is when I went for internship some other place. Right, was it easy getting an internship? Yeah. It was easy for you to get an internship? Yeah, because the school gets it for you. Oh, the school provides? Yeah, the Kenya one. Oh, the Kenya news agency, so it's like you're guaranteed once you're there, you're guaranteed to get an internship. You're going to work in a Kenya news agency, because I've heard stories of somebody who graduated years ago, they've never managed to get an internship or an attachment either way, you know. Yeah, so once I went to Kenya, Kenya is a major print media, and you know, doing broadcast journalism, I didn't like specify. What major? Yeah, I did major in print media. So it was kind of tough, challenging as well. What are the challenges that were there? A lot of them meeting deadlines. You know, you have to have like three or four stories in a day, and then you are journalist yourself, you know, it's not that easy. So you have to go on the ground, look for stories, and then come right, and by the time it's four, you need to have all your four stories, send them to your editors, which is not easy. What could have happened if you didn't meet the deadline? Nothing serious, but you know, as a serious journalist, you need to like push yourself, because otherwise why are you there? If you're just going to like sit down and think no one is going to beat me up because I haven't finished the four stories of stuff, you need to like push yourself so that you become that, yeah. All right, so that shaped that part of you of news writing? Yeah, I did, it really did, meeting the deadlines and looking for stories as well, because you have to network with other journalists who are in these other media houses, so that if you didn't go to a second place and they went there, they'll be able to send you maybe a byte so that you write a story from the byte, because that's exactly what you're going to do. They just record, come listen and write the stories. So if someone is going some other place and you couldn't go to that place, maybe it's far away, and you go to this other place, you can be able to interchange bytes and write the stories from the bytes. So the networking is very important. Yeah, in the journals and business, which I feel like a lot of people do not, this is my opinion here, a lot of people do not take it seriously, but yeah, literally this space requires you to know some people for you to get somewhere else, apart from them just seeing your voice or hearing your shows on the air, at least some networks to help you get to the next one. Very important. All right, so for you now, in your experience, I believe, I think this is in journalism 101, we are told a great journalist is a good reader, a good writer, and a good speaker. So which one of you developed the most, the speaking part, the reading part, or the writing part? I would say all of them, but mostly speaker, because while in school, we used to do school projects and every time they would pick me to do the voice of us, do everything, and the teacher noticed me because of that, because all the time we would do a project, he'd be listening and be like, I like the voice who is behind this, who is behind that. So every time now they used me to do all the voices. So it gave you that tension, you became a community celebrity. Yeah, true. So that also made me work in the school studio, ECN radio. ECN radio, I think it's big. It has produced a lot of good people that I know who are in this other side as well. Because of that, I worked in ECN radio. I didn't go looking for it, they just came and said, Who is the best voice? I think Oprah Winfrey is among the best female voices in broadcasting. If you do your research among best voices in journalism in the world, they are like, who is this community opera? And they came to you running. So you were given a show to run? Yeah, I was given a show to run. Host production. Host. All right. So at first I co-hosted and then at some given point, I was given the show to hosts. Yeah. Yeah. Nice. And then you gravitated towards another, you know, is it another employer as well? Yeah, another employer. So what happened in between the new transition? So ECN was in school. I did it while in school. And then after school, I went for Kenyan news agency. I did print. Didn't like it that much because I was good at it. And then after K and H, I went to best radio. Yeah. So radio also was kind of challenging because at first I started as a producer. And production is not that easy dealing with people, having to tell them what to do. Sometimes they don't listen, you know. So you're always in wrangles with people. Not that you like it, but they just come because you want your work to be perfected, but some people don't see it that way. So I did a bit of production in radio. After production, I started hosting. I hosted a TB T show. The TB T, meaning throwback. Throwback party. So my boss liked it. They gave me a gospel show. Which is a good thing because me too, me too, I've been on an evening driver on a gospel show. Okay. You were to your party made the feature, but you came to the room, turned down the zoo, and decided to put a lot of people like hiding. I was here. So you started preaching? I did a gospel show. After a while, we lost our host who was hosting the entrepreneurship show. So I also stepped in. So every time there was this show, I could start it, then someone else comes and picks. So I started a lot of shows that people came in. So you created them? Yeah, but now the gospel show became my show. So I ran with the gospel show up to the end. So it was your brainchild? Yeah. But you're no longer there? I'm no longer there. So is it because you're done with that part? And then let me also ask you before you answer that, did you love the radio part more or the other side more? Which one did you like the most? The print and radio. Yes. Did you like radio? I love radio. Oh, you love radio? You'd like to stay in radio? I love love radio. Me too. I love radio. I want to go back to radio. Oh my God, give me your spot into me. We'll talk about that. We'll talk about that. So you liked radio more? I love love radio. Okay. Another question. What makes you love radio? Because if you look at the history of radio and its evolution, during World War II, yes, during World War II, radio was the most powerful tool of communication in terms of gathering together masses, telling them information about the enemy and just general news dissemination. So what were some of the aspects that you love about radio that are still important to you? And if there's somebody watching right now, maybe they'll have to pick you for the next gig. If you were to pitch them yourself, as a producer, talent, radio host, and all those, what are some of the nitty gritties that are so important about radio that you learned? Like you said, it's a powerful tool of communication and it has a very wide reach even to those people when you're comachinani and stuff like that, because not everyone has the capability of buying a TV and stuff like that. But what I loved most about radio, going to the media school, I was shy, kind of. So I didn't think a person who could come and sit in front of a camera, you know. So I was like, okay, radio would be my thing. They just listen to the voice, but they don't get to meet the face. But many people approached me and they're like, why don't you love TV? You could do well in TV as well, because you have the face and the voice as well. And kiddo go, kiddo go now, going to best radio, they do live recordings of their shows. So I had to like just, you know, get rid of the shyness and just put up that. So now I'm not that shy anymore, but I loved radio because I could just hide behind the mic. I also love that thing about radio. Like it doesn't show you. It doesn't show you. So you just get to communicate and impact the society, but they don't get to meet the person. Yeah. It lives this mystery. There's somebody who called it, radio is a theater of the mind. So it basically, you're painting pictures for people and they just get to imagine, hey, so who could this be? Who is this painting pictures for people? And I also think in journalism class, you're taught writing for the ear. That means writing for radio, and then writing for the eye, writing for TV. So the way you speak on TV is totally different. Different from the way you speak for radio. So in short, on radio, you must be a person who has a descriptive mind, rich in adjectives, rich in phrases, rich in expression, loud and bubbly. Definitely that's what that producer should be looking for. A loud and bubbly chick. Do you believe they'll get you? I know they're watching. Trust me, they're watching. Yeah, I'm kind of serious sometimes, but bubbly when I need to be. All right, all right, interesting. Okay, I pray they're watching. And they're taking note. All right, now, you now morphed into admin work. The one you told me, it's still your current job. So what happened with this other side of journalism? Are you ditched it? I don't know if you've ditched it, but I'm just asking, did you ditch it to do admin work? Am I listening? Let me just be multifaceted because I have to now. You realize HR and admin is still part of media because in year one in school, we did HR. Year two as well, we did HR. We did entrepreneurship in year one. So those are actually kind of the things that made me go to that direction, but actually the things that gave me those jobs as well, because I haven't majored in secretariat in HR, but the mere fact that I did HR and I did all these other things in school, I was able to be employed as a HR admin. So it's still part of media. It's not away from media. So I've done marketing as well. Marketing is media. Advertising, it's still media. So I do marketing, I do HR and admin work. So what happens in admin work? And before you tell us also what happens in HR, because at least every corporate institution has a HR department, which is also like a demigod of the company. Because they're in charge of hiring, firing, and even sourcing as well for stuff. So what happens at yours and what do you do there? Like you said, we're in charge of firing, firing, not necessarily firing. The firing point is the thunder. Who wants to hear that being fired? Which is necessary though, because if you know... Oh, it's necessary for a company to fire some people? Yeah, it is, because some people just don't do their work because they should, so what do you do? But it's not something that we like doing, only when it's necessary. Have you done it so far? It's so unfortunate that you'll not be a part of this team. And then they let her own fire, they fire back, they'll be like, but if you look at my performance, I've been really doing excellently. Why are you firing me? I can only imagine not delivering that bad message seriously. Nobody wants to see you being fired. But you don't just wake up some day and tell a person, we no longer need you. It has happened in this space. I know, but it's not supposed to happen that way, given my experience, because if you have done something wrong, we first of all give you a show cause letter, which is, like, a show cause letter. Yeah, which means you need to explain yourself, maybe you did this because of this, you have a reason as to why you did what you did. And then after the show cause letter, we give you a warning letter. So after the warning letter is when we can't give you a termination letter, because if you didn't do what we asked you to do in the first place, now we have no reason to keep you. So it just doesn't happen like, so we have to, like, go through all these stages and make sure that you're not good for our company. Oh, and you've also, but you know, there's those, I don't know, we can call them toxic work spaces where one of the books who cooked after, after scandals, work is a build up so that at the end of the day, like, it just throws you out itself. What happens in such instances? Well, this, for example, this employee has been diligent in his or her duties. I'm going to a very clean slate. Some of the stories we even said in media, some of the people were fired. They were not even prepared for, like, the way you're talking there. There was like a course later, and then the one you said, and then finally termination. You will look at one of the texts, I think it was to your Instagram. So it's no longer part of this. And you're like, wow, is this a dream or something? Come be, it's happening. Yeah, it happens. You're saying that is unprofessional. It is. And the person can sue back and fight back. They can, they can. So for an employer, you just need to, like, go through all of these stages to be on the safe side and make sure it's not just you and your feeling. Because you, you know, when you're an employer, what do you care to for no good reason? But now there's this. Oh, when you're a kid, you're a cousin. You know, kunai is a story. There are relationships, there are bosses and employees. And then maybe you, like, don't like your boss and you tell him, and then they just start frustrating you. So kunai cases come as well. So kunai is actually because of that. And then they just, like, frustrate you so that you, when Mouniatown is a resign before, they even give you that one letter or whatever. I've heard close friends who've resigned from big media houses. Sometimes it's not what it looks like. You could see someone coming on TV or hearing them on radio, but there's a lot behind that company. Yeah, yeah, yeah, true. I read somewhere something about work politics now that we're talking about stories, a professionalism. So how can somebody survive professionally in a workspace that deemed, let's just call it toxic, because I had already said the word, how can somebody survive in a toxic work environment? Also, let's define toxic. What exactly is a toxic work environment? And what are some of the things that are happening in this workspace that could definitely, you know, I've heard, I think also yesterday's guest that was here with one of my co-presenters, Anatoval, he gave an interesting story in one of his responses to the question Val asked. Although some of these people can come to work, they were perfectly fine. So I was wondering what could be possibly going on in such a workspace. So there's a lot that comes to play when it comes to toxicity in workplaces. Mostly there are relationships at work. Probably you're eyeing a certain lady and there's also a colleague who's eyeing the same person. And then you get to clash because now maybe the lady might like you and not like him and he will think maybe you are the problem. So you see, going forward, you guys are going to have a very toxic relationship and working together might become hard. Also there are long working hours with very major pay. People get to complain and, you know, who complain can make every other person see their job as something it's not working for them. So there are bosses who just like how would you come here and their employees? Like they would just throw words in salt and stuff like that. They don't talk to you as because they don't see you on the same level as them. He's your employer, obviously. Like professional talk. You've done this, you've done this, I don't like it. There's a way you can tell someone come and say I don't like this, this and this, rather than just shouting and insulting and doing all that kind of stuff. So you see that it contributes to the toxicity in a workplace as well. And is it possible for people to be in cahoots as in they, another one is ganging up, literally. They gung up to be friends with this one and then they hated this one. It's very possible. And then this other one starts speaking. It's very possible. Two, three things and then it becomes like a whole community and it spreads. I've also heard of stories like you joined my enemy to hate me. Am I just because you hate me? No, that's telling. Don't make other people start hating me because you don't hate me. That's telling. But it exactly happens in work spaces. If you're going to inherit your friend's enemies, that's childish. If your friend is going to expect you to inherit their enemies, that's childish as well. If you're not in good terms with so and so and I'm able to speak to them and still be your friend and not be ganging up against you, then it's fine. Just don't let your not being okay with him become also my problem as well. So mostly I think that's childish, but it's possible because maybe we are working in a place where like, for example, the work that I was doing, marketing. Yes. I went to that workplace with a friend of mine who's a very good friend because we left Shredio together to kind of acquire Yocazi. So going to that place, you know, we're kind of sisters. So I would expect if someone is going after her, the person is also going after me, but it didn't happen always because she would have people she's talking to and I'm not okay with those people but I'll just give them their space. Because it's not okay to limit people because you don't like so and so. Just let them be them. As long as they're not doing stuff behind your back like maybe backbiting you and stuff like that. Also, Loyal Tiako and Friendship in Yemkonayo comes to play. So if you have this friend, yeah, if you have this friend who you are loyal to and you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but I'm not going to do something that's going to hurt her, then it's okay. Right? Yeah. And that's how you survive in workspaces. But also somebody told me about stories that responding to, you know, accusation, false accusations. Like you said, they happen a lot in these workspaces. And I was like, oh, I'm not scared. I said, oh, I'm going to say, I'm not going to say. Personally, the word is hate. I don't have another one. I hate such stories. So you are going to say, then we're going to say, please just leave it or leave. Yeah. So more or two to say, exist with Zuri. It's. I'll say, I'm not going to say, I'm not going to say, I'm not going to say, the politics and that chain, I don't like it. It still happens though. So as a mature person, you're just supposed to listen and maybe not have so much to say about it until maybe it's affecting your work. Yeah. If it's not affecting your work. Definitely it does. It does. So and so I'll say, maybe you will end up I'll say, you did this and that, that doesn't affect your work. It can affect your delivery. It can. How can it? It can affect your delivery, especially if you are a person of this other side. Oh, okay. In the media. Yeah, I understand that because you have to like, you know, have that reputation and stuff like that. It does. But I would say, don't focus so much on just do your work. If your boss is happy with what you're doing, then I don't think you have to listen to any other person down there. Yeah. Yeah. All right. The naysayers and the outside voices. They're always louder than the inside voices. But if you're good at what you do, it speaks for itself. So you don't have to worry about anything. Yeah, it's possible. Because they read somewhere there's a, I don't know it was who they said, people might hate the person, but they like what she or she does. So probably they are trying to figure out, it's a hate and love relationship. A relationship. Yeah. It can happen to all boys, but it's impending in person. And that I do, not that I could do. So that's the issue. And it's you. Anyway, something. Paula, sorry, I'm a police officer. Now let's move away from that. Also, finally, as we close that part, negotiating for a salary in this space is a big thing. Negotiation for pay. For example, for a starter, who is, for example, to a miracle happen, you'll be able to say, hey, could you host Place Flany? How do you start the conversation about payments? Normally, it's not so easy, especially given the fact that different employees pay differently. So you see, you're coming from this place where you're being paid. According to you, maybe you're being paid well, and these other space, you might be paid even much more than you were being paid this side. But you tend to gauge yourself with what you're being paid in this other side. So when you're coming here, you'll be like, oh, I'm going to pay 40,000. Now, probably, maybe this place was able to pay you maybe a hundred years. So they'll maybe turn down to 60 and say, this is a sit-off, pay a 60. You will be happy saying they've given you a better deal, which is not. And you should be getting a hundred and above. Yeah. So it's important when you're going to any job space, just research. Research about the company and the job and maybe how much it's supposed to be paid. Maybe, say, for example, HR work, you get to gauge HRs, how much are they paid, on the highest side, on the lowest side, so that you're able to place yourself somewhere, maybe in the middle, instead of just saying, when you gauge yourself with what you're being paid on the other side, you might as well just maybe devalue yourself, if I would say. Or maybe highly value yourself because these people are not able to put you in the budget. So it's really hard. You just need to do your research and give a slightly higher. Always give a slightly higher figure. Always give a slightly higher figure. Right. But what if your previous employer was wholesomely or handsomely paying you a good amount of money? And then this one, maybe they don't have... In fact, most of the times, you're not aware what they'll pay you for that job. But you can use your previous job to pitch. Is it possible? Can it work? It's possible. It can work. But there's a difference in your payments when you're going to different jobs. Maybe each of you, when you talk, I wasn't really your passion and you're willing to receive any amount because you're going to do something that you love doing and it's your passion. So you're desperate in other ones. Not necessarily desperate. You love what you're doing. All right. And you're like, okay, anything goes as long as I'm in this kind of field. But some people don't pay because they want to make enemies and pay bills and stuff like that. So you're like, okay, I just have to get the highest I have to get. So I think in a variety of different people. There's an interesting question that... Oh, stories are range. So I always have a range. For example, I've been to panels where they asked, and how much do you expect us to pay you for this job? And the first thing that comes to your mind is your current employer or your previous, like you said. But then I read somewhere that you're not supposed to give what you're earning in your previous company or your current company. But what if it's big and you're proud of it? You're like, hey, who can have 300, but here I want to get 500. What made you leave the 300 and then come to this job? Oh, they'll ask that question as well. No, no, they don't ask, but you should ask yourself that. So you know, obviously, these people are willing to pay me more when you're leaving your 300,000 shillings job and coming to this one. You know, these ones are better paying and stuff like that because greener pastures, you know. So when you're going to this job, obviously, you know, they have to pay you slightly higher than what you're getting these other side. So that's where you're able to get yourself. So if it's 300, maybe say 400, these other side, if they're not able to give you 400, they might give you 350. All right, which is a good one. A good lesson for what went out of Takazi but there's also some townships that pay, anyways, that actually help. Now that we have the media council of Kenya that's giving paid in townships to some of these young and upcoming journalists, it's really an incredible thing. Now let's move away from the work part and the HR part. And now back to you still, you gravitated into stories of beauty and makeup. It's like your multi-faceted media, HR, admin work. Admin, have we talked about admin? HR admin is the same, right? Okay, now your makeup and beauty part. So how did that happen and when did you officially start doing it? So over time, I didn't really think I had it in me. So people used to look at me and they're like, why are you asking me that? It's because I'm the one who did it. And then you also go to a place and people be like, who dresses you up? So fashion and makeup and everything. And I was like, okay, maybe this is something I could do, but I still didn't do it. So up until 2016, I was still very young, I went to my sister's wedding and they had called a makeup artist who was to come and do makeup and everything. So she was doing my sister's makeup and I'm like, no. I'm just seated somewhere and I'm looking at her. I'm like, hey, yeah, I'm not. Is that why Bruce, then you come and mature a venue in a far and stuff like that. So I was like, no, it's my sister's big day. She has to look good. You can just make up Vytumbayambaya and expect her to go out there looking like that. So after she had done what she had done, I went and told my sister Panami, I don't think they've done what it's supposed to be done. So when she left, I went back to do my sister's makeup. To correct, back from scratch. Yeah, back from scratch. Not that I had done any professional makeup. Hopefully it was not dramatic. It wasn't. It turned out better than what she had done. So after I did my sister's makeup, everyone to look when I look at the girls and stuff, they started asking me to do their makeup as well. So I did everyone's makeup in my sister's wedding. After I had done mine, of course they saw what I had done with it. Because maybe I, there's a way I want my makeup too much. You know, it just has to blend in with the skin. Or there can be too much makeup. Yeah. Or under. Or under. Or downplayed or too much. But you'd rather do under than do too much. Because now too much will. So I did my own makeup. And then after everyone saw what I had done with mine, they're like, okay, can you do ours as well? So I did also the girls who were at my sister's wedding. Right. So after that is when I thought, okay, maybe I have it in me. I could do it professionally. Right. And from what I do now in my sister's wedding, people started calling me and they're like, oh, there's someone who can do others. They started giving you business. So I was like, yeah, I can. And a friend of mine who knew I was doing media also asked me someday if I could do makeup for them. They were shooting a movie. And I went and did makeup for them. So that's how I just evolved to Mika India. So I started doing makeup professionally. But it's not something I just set out to do. Or maybe I went to school and studied makeup. Although also in media school, we are taught that as part of journalism, makeup and stuff like that. So I bet I started even before going to school. To journalism school. Yeah, before going to journalism school. So it's like your pension or something that you like. Yeah. Right. But a lot of people actually are downplayed there because even me here have makeup, but you can't notice it. We're too young when it's subtle. That's what I'm telling you. There are more of like a darker skin shade. So you can't notice. But yeah, I pass through there every day. And when I came to TV, when I started doing TV or still there, I was like, no, I'm allergic. No, I'm not allergic to a profession. Yeah, you either have to find something that works for your face. Yeah. Which I feel like maybe a lot of people are not aware. So are there like maybe also types or shades of makeup that especially people in the TV space need to be aware of? A lot of them, by the way, you actually need to make sure you find a shade that works for your skin. That's because you might find someone darker like you putting on a shade that's lighter and then you end up looking like a scarecrow. So rare to say. A clown. That's the word. Yeah. So you really need to find a shade that works for your skin so that when you do your makeup, you're blending with the skin. Sometimes people don't even notice that you're putting on makeup until they see maybe some lipstick and eyebrows done. Otherwise apart from that, they wouldn't have noticed that you have makeup on. Right. Yeah. So you really need to find a shade that works for you. Yeah. We had a conversation, I think, with Diana Sharatoa. She's one of our makeup lady, Sugu, who I'm sure is telling me that there's a way you do makeup for, for someone who's going to do new sunkering and there's also makeup for somebody who's going to participate in a music video to dance. And just having that ability to tell, this is makeup for a TV personality and this is makeup for someone who's dancing in a video. It's really a powerful thing. Like for me, I can't even notice. Like it's like, yeah, you look good. Your face is amazing. I can't even notice that this is makeup for team and this is makeup for a video vixens. So that was really impeccable. Yeah, for a video vixens, they do like those tans, like a lot of, you have to like use all the, you have to use maybe concealer, you have to use foundation, you have to use powder, you have, like all that. But what if you turn down Kiddogo, maybe you might just use foundation and setting powder alone. So that it's not too much you get. So for vixens, you know, they need to like be out there and be seen and everything. So they need to have all those. Yeah. You see like mine, for example, I'm not putting on lashes, I'm not putting on, yeah, so there's so much you have to like, there's so much you have to turn down when you're coming on TV and there's a lot you have to do when you're maybe a vixen. Yeah. But so that means that, you know, if you're a person of this other side, a person who comes to the camera very often, always equal and natural. You can if you have perfect skin for that, but the thing with ladies, or perfect skin. Yeah, the thing with ladies, sometimes we tend to be insecure in front of the camera, so you have to look your best. So you have to make sure that, you just want to make sure you're looking your best when you're going in front of the camera. Otherwise, if you have nice skin, better routine, skin care, you can just still come natural as you look here. I have seen tutorials with Ariana and she really looks like she's swam in gold or something. And then there's Chicken Ajita. I follow her Ajita Elsa Majimbo. She's a social media star. The way she oils herself and it's like I'm a swim with a whole bottle of lotion or glycerin. Like wow, it's really different to tell like these different shades of makeup as well. We go through a lot of ladies when it comes to skin care. Yeah. And skin care is actually a big part and a big investment in the beauty industry. It is. It's a very big part. But the thing where the skin care men don't think they need that. But you do. I mean, everyone needs to take care of themselves. Men don't need skin care. In my part, you hug. No, they do. They do. If you're a man, we will offer you skin care. No, you're an expert at this. They do, actually. You know, you actually mentioned Rihana and I, I think Rihana and Rihana so I was like, okay, people need to see this. Men need to see this. It's up, but they have a skin care routine. Yeah. This skin care routine is for humans. It's for those who have skin care. Skin care routine is for humans. Skin care routine, like you wake up in the morning, you wash your face. You have products that you use in your face in the morning and before you go to bed as well. So as a lady, maybe as a boy, you do all you have to do. You have your toner. You have your, I mean, your toner. You have your moisturizers. You have, you know, all that stuff. And the scrubs. And the scrubs, yeah. But you don't get to scrub every day. Scrubs, you know, when I join you, it's called rough on the face. So you don't do it every day. You could do it maybe twice in a week. But it's easy. It's what it may be tone is almost arises. There are things you do every day. So as a boy, if you're not going out, you just do that and then stay in the house. If you're putting on makeup, you also do that. And then you put on your makeup. Yeah. Yeah. You have to make sure you wash your face. You moisturize. Yeah, moisturize before you go to sleep. Go to sleep. Yeah. Hey, you're not going to sleep. But for me, I believe in a good soap, like invest in a good shower gel. It works. I think that has worked for me in my career, like a good one, inexpensive. Once you have it, you'll always look like you're rich, even if you're not. That's my hack. So I'm a butcher. That's skincare, too. That's skincare, too. Invest in a good shower gel. It's a gel. It's a solid soap. It's a good soap. It's a good soap. It's a good soap. It's a good soap. It's a good soap. It's a good soap. I mean, I'm going to have a shower gel with a bottle or a glass ring. Anyways, TV things, TV talk. Anyway, so for people, if they want to maybe get to see what you do, you've not talked about your podcast a lot, but here they can get to listen to you because you're about to go. So where can they find you on social media? What should they anticipate in your podcast as well? Your makeup part, are you ready to be hired? For the radio part, are you pitching yourself in 30 seconds, please, because you're out of time? This is your camera. Yeah, okay. So social media, you can find me at Bitchesvike, the presenter that's Facebook, and Bitchesvike, my Facebook page as well. YouTube, we are from there as the safe space. I and my friend Jen Juma, we do a podcast called The Safe Space. And radio also, I'm looking forward to coming back to radio as well. So if there's anyone out there watching and is a possible employer, I'm here. All right. Yeah. Definitely, you've heard from her. And thank you so much for sharing the insights that you've got really enlightening. And I can't wait to hear you on radio, all the best. Thank you. All right. That's who he puts a period. I'm a full stop, not a comma. And just one comment, just one comment. 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