 Hello. I hope and believe it's working. Very good. I'll talk about Techforce SexWork today. Still the wrong language. I'm going to talk in English. Sorry. So I'm going to talk about Techforce SexWork. It's a little bit like, we all know the Internet was made for porn. I guess. But if the Internet was made for porn, why is it so hostile towards sex workers? And usually in the beginning of the talk, there's like an introduction. Often like an introduction from someone else, or at least like the person who's giving like a little bit of explanation who they are. And that is a little bit complicated in that case, because I need like a little bit of explanation to the introduction. So if you happen to know me for whatever reason, please look very carefully into this Blitzdingze, because forget whatever you know about me. We're first going to talk about the SexWork persona. What is a SexWork persona? Well, I found a lot of good gifts. That's pretty small. It should be a bit bigger. But I hope you do understand or see Sailor Moon transforming into Sailor Moon. I have no clue what Sailor Moon's, I don't know, legal name is, but yeah. And we're going to talk a little bit about persona before. What is a persona? A persona is kind of like a person you become for like some time, or like for some thought. And it is mainly some kind of privacy thing. Just like, oh yeah, sometimes you're like a different person. So it's like kind of like your privacy protection. But it's also like a way to create your own boundaries, what to do, like in what persona. And persona is a very, it kind of comes out of acting as actors usually take on personas and like roles for some time. And I'm pretty happy to give this talk at the sea base because I learned a lot of acting in the sea base. So the persona is also some kind of method acting or connected to method acting because it is kind of like find the persona in yourself that you're going to portray. And that is why SexWorkers usually work under different names. So they kind of mask themselves. That leads to like easily to the question about it. Well, if like a sex worker is like someone else, like isn't it like some kind of authenticity issue? And shouldn't you always be like your authentic self and like always the same person and like very connected to who you are, to your inner self. That idea is in some connections useful but in the context of sex work but also in general I'd say authenticity works is like some idea but altogether it is kind of bullshit. Why is that? We all do have clashing personas. We all are different people at different times. In the context of sex work and a lot of people I guess will look because or watch the talk because well, sex and sex sells. You're like a very different person if you're having sex with someone or if you're having like lunch with your grandma. And if you don't agree with it then I'd say something is strange with you. Or maybe you are, I don't know, the grandpa to your grandma. But otherwise you're just like a different persona and so the authenticity thing does get like a hit there because we are different people like in different connections. So we do have like clashing personas. What does it mean to have like clashing personas? For sex workers usually it means like well you have at least like two names. And if you have like two names you usually also do have two phones. It's like the next slide. And it creates like a lot of question about like well when are you like what persona how do you deal with it in the context of the internet? How do you deal with like online dating that isn't work? Like what persona do you use for that and how do you deal with stuff like image research? So if you have like your own images somewhere how do you deal with them? Like how are you not found in the other persona? That's kind of like just clashing part. What is if your day job or like if you have a second job or like a different background that is kind of public too, which is yeah just clashing personas. And to demonstrate that or what I mean with clashing personas I have like a short clip that I try to wait to go through. Yeah just a 30 second clip. Watch it. I love you Miles. Yeah I know dad. You gotta say I love you back. Dad are you serious? I wanna hear it. You wanna hear it. I love you dad. You're driving me out of school. I love you dad. Look at this place. Dad I love you. Dad I love you. That's a copy. So in this clip there are like a lot of things that are worth mentioning like the abuse of police force by his dad because he's just using like the police car to embarrass the son in front of the whole school. But that's not really the point. What I wanna talk about like the embarrassing part because on the one hand Miles the kid wants to be like a good kid to his dad. So he does want to say like oh yeah I love you but he's also like really embarrassed because he's in front of the school and in school he's just a different persona. So that is what I mean if I'm talking about clashing personas. You are just different people like we are different people like different settings and sometimes these settings clash. In my talk here today two of my personas clash. So who am I? Well on the one hand I have no clue. I do not know who I am. It depends a lot on the context. But still try to give like some kind of context. Well on the one hand I'm a former politician and activist. I was like a board member for the pirate party back when the pirate party was still a thing. I did a lot of like privacy activism years ago and to some degree I'm still activist because I'm giving this talk and talk now about sex workers rights. And on the other hand well I'm a sex worker. But how do like sex work and politics go together because that's like well no that doesn't really work. So while I'm like kind of like outing myself here in like these two personas I do want to make sure that you do understand that these are different personas and we aren't always the same person. So on the one hand well I'm Geronaga that's like my legal name. That is my politician or former politician also like mainly my activist name also Zweifel. And well then I'm Dennis Dieb the sex worker who does sex work and in this context that I'm like giving this talk it's like well I know the sea was basically as Geron like a lot of net activism and stuff but I'm also talking about sex work and that's like well the other identity so what identity is like real here and what is like properly and it isn't really easy to say. And on that saying why am I outing myself here? Like why do I do that? On the one hand I'm quite aware of like my privileges in this context. Like well I'm a man so I do have a lot of privilege over like women and most sex workers are women but also I don't really have much of a family I don't really have children I don't have anyone else to pull down there like I don't to a lot of sex workers it is very hard to out themselves stigma not only to them but also to their family and there I'm like on a rather lucky side that I don't really have one and on a short side note there will be people at least I've had like plenty of them to tell me that well like if you have like two personas it's like kind of I don't know bad for you and like some kind of hobby psychologist telling you like yeah don't do that that's evil or something and sorry but I do know what's good for me and not you so don't so let's start into the actual talk we start with what is sex and I'm like a little bit disappointed that we don't really have like a proper audience and well we can't have that but I'd love to have the audience stand up just like okay what is sex and answer like well is kissing sex if so sit down and kind of like push pressure on people because we don't really want to talk about it and part of why sex work is so stigmatized is because we don't talk about sex work but we generally don't talk about sex and is kissing sex to you is sexting sex like sending nudes and stuff is that sex is masturbation sex and I have heard to all of them like different parts and then well penetration that's kind of like the obvious things like oh yeah everyone agrees that at least penetration is sex but even there well I know people who say that blowjobs aren't sex because I don't know they don't count and the answer to that is well sex is whatever makes you feel sex like whatever gives you the feeling of having sex of being sexually engaged with someone consensually if it isn't consensually it is not sex so two points basically everyone involved has consented into it and the other one is just the feeling that you have sex then we come to what is sex work and sex work is basically whatever you do for that sex feeling for that sexual pleasure that you can give for money but it is also to a huge degree care work and care work well that's basically what a lot of teachers do what yeah all kind of child care is to take care of people that's usually an unpaid work and usually something that women do and when that gets paid as in sex work that often creates a lot of issues which is yeah pretty awful and also sex work is to a huge degree fiction, recreate to a lot of degree environment for people to live their sexual pleasures whatever that might be and the fiction part will create like issues again it's like yeah sex work is fiction isn't that like kind of evil and aren't we like playing our clients and stuff and no everyone knows that what fiction is and like how sex work is fiction no one believes that our often quite fake name fake sounding names are real and every child knows that Bob the builder is fiction so I'm pretty sure our clients can can see the line that's like well we do create like a fictional world for them for some time and after that that's done as well so let's go to prostitution what is prostitution isn't it kind of like the same as sex work and yeah it kind of is but it is often called that's like the oldest profession in the world it is something that we as sex worker often say we have to justify ourselves but actually that's not true prostitution in the way we use the word was created like 100 years ago or like 120 years ago it is basically police regulation of sex in that case sex of women because well gay sex or lesbian sex was no sex at all back at the time and gay sex was forbidden anyway so prostitution is basically to prostitution as we use the word today was mainly created around 1900 when stronger laws came into place and yeah and a lot of people are like a lot of women were checked by the police if they are like sex workers and they had to undergo a lot of very humiliating processes by being checked by police doctors and stuff and that is the early development of like the prohibition movement that we have these days so back in around 1900s like the first wave or like the first feminist groups were fighting against sex workers and prostitution because they felt attacked that they might also undergo the police mistreatment that a lot of women had to deal with also prostitutes or sex workers and that is why yeah why so many feminists are like why there's like a tradition of like feminism kind of fighting against sex work some feminism not all and yeah so which is kind of interesting that these kind of anti-behavior focus on the prostitution or like on the woman doing it and like not on the evil police regulation and like on the evil police laws but what did it look like yeah once up in a time like what was what is traditionally seen as sex work and well they're like brothers that's kind of like what everyone kind of believes and well there's like street sex work we all have seen like most people have seen at least some movies some sex workers at the street and they're like agencies and that's kind of like the traditional way so that you do have like some people setting yeah setting dates up that is a little bit glitchy towards pimping which is like well that's like always evil but it is it's a little bit like more complicated as well a lot of sex workers do need agencies to set up clients and like to find clients and we as yeah workers we do need clients and what does sex work today well we still have like brothers and street work nothing changed there well we do have like a lot of strip clubs not that much currently but generally we do have like a lot of escort websites so a lot of sex work at least connecting is happening online these days we do have like phone sex we do have sex thing that can be yeah can be paid we have a lot of camming so and well we do have porn the difference between camming and porn is basically like camming is like usually one-on-one interaction and that's like happening live and porn is more like the properly performed sexual act that is made or like that is like produced way more yeah way more professionally what is a little bit interesting or like on that level is like why isn't like erotic literature seen as sex work and generally that's kind of like well if like phone sex sex work why isn't like I don't know writing novels or stuff sex work and the point is like the reason is mainly like it was historically one because like well you had like a lot of sex workers and with technology evolving they went there and literature was always around and porn literature was like always around so that's a little bit like that's a little bit blurry but that's where we do see a change and why did it change like why did sex work become a tech thing why do I talk about tech in context of like sex work sex isn't really something that happened with a lot of tech but rather I don't know human to human there's like not that much technology involved but on the one hand well everything kind of moves online so yeah sure sex work does too but on the other hand we also have like new legal challenges that kind of push sex work into different spaces so for the first we're going to talk about decriminalization that is kind of what most sex workers want that we do not have like any criminal law about us like well we're just like professionals offering a service so why can't we just have that and in most countries that's not the case it is the case in a couple of states in Australia and in New Zealand and nearly in Japan on that level we do see that decriminalization alone isn't helping as in Japan only vaginal sex is seen as prostitution and every sexual practice that isn't yeah happening vaginal it isn't yeah it isn't seen as sex work and therefore there are like no criminal rules applied and yet Japan is incredible stigmatized country on sex work and why we do want decriminalization and we don't want any more criminalizations because we want more rights we want rights for ourselves we want to kind of unionize and fight for our rights and no more wrong laws can help us it's like our point then let's talk about legalization and that's often kind of seen as the same but it isn't so when I don't know a lot of drug people drug people sounds awful but like when we like when people are arguing for legalizing drugs that's like often legalization so like well they want like a specific rule where we can away people can can consume drugs legally but like in a safe environment on sex work we do not want to have this kind of regulated environment as legalization as we do have it in a couple of countries for example Germany we do have usually a registration so what we have is we have this kind of I'm not sure if we can actually see that maybe we should have talked about that so we do get like some kind of paper that we have to register at a governmental office and so that's like a database where all our data is into check whether we are like legal to work and if you don't have that paper and if you do work as a sex worker and get checked you do have to pay a fine which is if you're like an escort or something like not that bad so like well you can still do that if you do work in some kind of studio like some kind of brothel the brothel will be shut down if anyone will ever find out that someone worked in it without registration so for a lot of people who do work in brothels or studios that is like a very important thing to have this registration which we don't want to have because who knows how long that database is safe and we all know that databases aren't that safe at least not the governmental ones but legalization also means that we have a lot of other restrictions for example like in Germany we talk about Speerbezurg but just kind of like an area in which sex work can't happen and what people often understand is like oh yeah like street sex work can't happen and it's like yeah maybe like the area around schools or something there shouldn't happen any sex work but it does mean like every kind of sex work it does mean that there can't be like any brothel in a Speerbezurg which is in Germany statewide organized so Berlin doesn't have it but a lot of states do have it with like very confusing rules and it's like hard to follow to understand okay where can I work and can I not work and it does include like all kind of hotels or something so if I have like a client who's like requesting me to like a hotel and I'm going there I kind of have to check beforehand if that hotel is in a Speerbezurg and like why the fuck would that ever matter to anyone but this is also part of like legalization process and it does include regulation of sex practices it does include what kind of sex practices are allowed and what do we have to use as in Germany we are legally bound to always use condoms for all kind of sex and whereas my clients are mostly men so we're like well so in all the unpaid sex it's like totally fine to have sex without condom or something on the point that I get paid I can't do that I can't even give like a blowjob without a condom which is kind of like weird and that is the legalization approach that we do have in Germany as well then we do have like the criminalization approach that is like a rather easy one everything is criminal and everything is evil sex workers forbidden it is basically yeah police, pimps, organized crimes as bad as it can get and to justify that's like how it looks because you just get jailed there's like nothing really to do and then we have the Swedish model the Swedish model is a mean one it claims to be there for sex workers it claims to help sex workers out of the scene it is the so called sex by law so sex work itself is legal but it is illegal to buy sex which means the sex worker itself doesn't do anything wrong but every client is doing wrong when they request sex so it's like a crime criminalization and whoever takes money from a sex worker becomes a pimp that includes landlords so if my landlord knows if I'd be in Sweden and my landlord knows that I'm a sex worker and I'm gonna use the money that I earn with sex for paying my rent my landlord becomes a pimp and on the one hand it's kind of funny because well who does really like landlords but on the other hand it's like well that also means that sex workers can't out themselves anywhere because otherwise they won't get any flat ever because well no one wants to become a pimp and want to be prosecuted as a pimp so that creates like a huge stigma on that level and the Swedish model altogether well it says that it wants to protect sex workers from clients and I don't know evil environment and stuff it actually increases violence because you don't have any safe work environment you don't have any kind of brothels or something because no one can earn money with it or no one can legally earn money with it and therefore a lot of it pushes further into a criminal as in Northern Ireland where the Swedish model was introduced like a couple of years ago the Queen's University which is based in Belfast in Northern Ireland had like a huge study on it before the Swedish model was introduced there on how big the the general sex business scene was and two years later after it was introduced it had like the same research again and it found out that it didn't change it was still around the same number of people working in the sex work but the violence increased by like 26% so the Swedish model does not abolish sex work which it claims to do but it just increases a lot of violence so to show that that's like how I imagine the Swedish model is that well she is like really good she has like everything she can but everyone like well she is practically in a prison but everything around her is she can't connect anyone because she can't the internet is made for porn but where is it really like where do we find porn if we want to look it up and well we all know once there was a lot of porn on Tumblr but that's gone are there like any porn apps no there aren't why aren't there any porn apps why does it not exist what is about social media there isn't really much porn on social media why is that and the internet kind of moved there so where is the porn if the internet was once made for it and well it kind of disappeared mainly because of the terms of services of all kind of services and yeah terms of services it's just a lot of reading we do do that because we have to figure out like where to work and well we do have like stuff like female nipple ban on instagram like oh why are like male nipples allowed but female nipples not and close up what's the difference between them where the heck is that coming from real name policy and as I kind of explained earlier what is a real name isn't like a lot depending on like who we are in what context why is Dennis not my real name it is my real name it is like how I'm interacting with a lot of people why is it like not real because it's like not legal what the fuck since when does the internet require authorization like that that's awful and well a lot of services just have like a security restriction and then kind of like the next idea is like oh yeah if you want to have porn just have it like on your own website and then we do have the issue of youth protection and a lot of like people understand that we do want to want to protect youth from whatever might be harmful and if porn is considered harmful to youth then we do want to protect them from it however to have it on like your own website the legal requirements in Germany say that you have to have the idea of everyone who is watching whatever might be considered harmful to young people that means that if you want to have porn on your own website you have to have some kind of checking mechanism for everyone who is watching that so you can't just have it on your website you do need like a lot of technology to figure out no one who is watching it without you knowing who it is and on porn which most people don't really want to talk about that's quite an issue we do have in Germany some stuff like imprints so we do need to have like our address on our own website they are like ways around and they are like services that provide you with an imprint that does not have your legal your legal address on it we do have some kind of service which a lot of sex workers use because we usually don't work at our own home and we usually don't want our clients to come to our home because we are someone different like at home and at work that is why we do have all that work persona and stuff and well there is like domain registration and stuff so at least like in the registry usually there is like your address as well the Danek, the German domain registration doesn't publish it anymore but you do need to prove that you have reasonable reason to access it but yeah it is still an issue and then talking about the internet as a lot of people will come I am pretty sure of it as we talked about social media what is with the FETIwares can't we all just use mastodon and stuff and so we kind of could and there is like an instant as twitter.at which is just like a sex work twitter or mastodon instant but the issue with the FETIwares is well we usually use social media to attract clients and find clients and seriously how many of you actually use the mastodon or like the FETIwares like on a real basis not just for like some tech porn and my experience well the FETIwares is rather empty sadly and let's talk about algorithms that's a thing that a lot of people talk about lately what do we talk about it or what is important for sex work in the context of algorithm one of them is spam filters because sex work and sex all together is like so little talked about it is like a really good way to scam people and we all have seen a lot of scam emails concerning some word sex and what happens over the years or over some time at some machine learning is that every email that contains words like sex or fuck or whatever is not going to get through your spam filter and that's the reason why the Berufsverband Sexarbeit like kind of the German sex workers union does have like a different domain for our emails as well Berufsverband Sexarbeit DE contains the letters S, E and X after each other and a lot of spam filters will just like filter it out completely so we do need like a different domain for our emails because these are things you can't talk about just not getting through and we do have stuff like shadow banning so shadow banning is like not limited to sex workers a lot of people do get shadow ban on the internet or on all kind of platforms for using like too many hashtags or something but it is quite interestingly how many sex workers are shadow banned and shadow banning is like you can't like your profile doesn't disappear you don't really notice that you're shadow banned at some point or it's like rather accidentally that you may notice because you just can't be searched anymore like if you look for shadow banned accounts and if you search it on it like Instagram or Twitter or something it does not show up so you can still tweet and stuff but in like all kind of yeah of tags or something it just doesn't come up and on algorithm I also do have the rather recent question like my talk in the yeah in the recommendation is like together with Inside Examser Drogenhandel Dreino like drug dealing and Nazis in games and why is that I mean I'm basically talking about like workers' rights who the fuck decided that the only place to put my talk is Nazis, drugs and Examser which is a pretty awful porn site and I do not believe that anyone did it like intentionally I do believe that's like some kind of algorithm bias I'm not sure of that if anyone does have or know where the recommendations came from please let me know let's talk about payment sex work is basically getting paid for sex so how do we get paid and usually it's like well cash cash is pretty awesome that's kind of like anonymous and we can use it easily so let's use cash but online how do you use cash online and the easy way and the most common way is PayPal so like oh yeah that's kind of like the easiest way to pay some weight and yeah no that's like not anonymous but you can still use it and PayPal has a very strict no sex work terms of service so it does close all kind of accounts to sex workers very regularly and it freezes all assets for like month and month that you have to fight for to get back to your own money that you have because PayPal just says like yeah no we don't do that that's out of our terms of service and we don't care so that's kind of like yeah that would be pretty awesome but it doesn't really work at least yeah you need like new accounts regularly and it's just paying on the S and why is it why you just use it and it's like oh yeah we do have like I bands and Zippa and so can't we just like transfer money the I don't know at least in German kind of traditional way and yes we can since we do have the I've been numbers you can use a different name for the bank account holder and it will still arrive but it's still a thing to give out your I've been and it only works within Germany like if you do have like a bank account outside of Germany and transferring money your name will be visible to whoever paid you which is yeah quite an issue what's with credit cards can't we use credit cards and the idea is kind of like yeah why not and the point is very similar to PayPal they just don't want us we are kind of like I don't know the ugly people on the internet or something they don't want us and what will come up very obviously is cryptocurrencies why can't we use cryptocurrencies well we can the question is more like well on the one hand sure we as sex workers need to figure out how to use them but also how do our clients use them and most of our clients are like rather old and not that tax heavy so cryptocurrencies aren't really an issue maybe one day they will be but so far they aren't really helpful for us and I'm not aware of any sex worker regularly getting paid in cryptocurrencies and to some degree it's also a question of if we really want to trust in cryptocurrencies but that's a talk for another time and what happens as payment online usually is we get gift cards that's our payment and that's I don't know I'm not really sure what to say to that but I basically get paid online in Amazon gift cards so I often have like more money on my Amazon account than on my bank account and I can't withdraw it because it's Amazon and you have to buy stuff on Amazon and I don't want to buy stuff on Amazon but that's the only way to get paid and that's just frustration however it gets worse there are like new legal challenges or rather new legal challenges so I don't know first we're going to talk about sister foster sister foster is already in place so it's actually not new it's already two years old it is an amendment to the section 230 section 230 in the US criminal law provides immunity for website publishers from third party content that is the main reason like section 230 not sister foster section 230 is the main reason or considered the main reason why the internet took off that big and why the web 2.0 is got a big thing because whoever is hosting a website isn't reliable for the third party content and sister foster changed that it created an exception for everything that assist facilitate or support sex trafficking and no one wants sex trafficking I'm not aware of being in favor of sex trafficking however it is the question of sex trafficking is a little bit similar to what we had in Germany like in 2009 when a lot of people some people were very much in favor of some kind of stop signs on the internet for everything that's evil and that's basically some censorship infrastructure for back then child pornography or child abuse material because pornography is consensual and child abuse isn't consensual and so sister foster killed Backpage and Craigslist in 2018 Craigslist well it's still there but it isn't available to sex workers anymore and Backpage was a very commonly used website where you could run cheap ads and we also a lot of people had like a very good community on Backpage to kind of just talk to each other and like figure out how to do stuff and then we have Earnit Earnit is still in debate it isn't signed into law or anything yet it is also an amendment to the section 230 and so far section 230 provides some liability from civil lawsuit related to the content of users so similar to to the original section 230 like if you as an internet platform had content by users that was like their content and they had to be yeah taking care of it and we had already the exception of sister foster that well it can't have anything to do with sex trafficking but now what comes new to that is that lawsuits against service providers can be possible if they fail to deal with child sexual abuse material which is commonly known as child porn though porn is consensual so it is child's sexual abuse material and what that means is well the idea of it is kind of good so yeah no one wants to to see material of like abused children but what it does or what it probably will do is that a lot of sex work content and a lot of porn will be removed from the internet as maybe it could be who like how sure is it that no one will understand it as child porn and maybe that will lead to like some lawsuits so probably easier to deal with and what comes to earn it as well is the lawsuits against service providers will be possible if the service provider allows end-to-end encryption that is a point where a lot of civil society organizations got wind of and like was like yeah no that's like we can't go into crypto wars again that's like no way but there we are and it is happening over yeah sex work stuff then we have CZR it is short for Stop Internet Sexual Explosion Act and that is a rather new idea by two senators in the United States said sure they do want to deal with like sexual yeah sexual explosion on film and it does so by making the age of consent for filming porn to be based on states instead of the federal laws and that doesn't sound that bad in the first but you know that in the US you still have child marriages you still have children being married and if that will get an act if that will be signed into law porn of children will actually become legal in the United States while it try to work against it it kind of does the opposite and also what is part of it it has a registration for all porn performers so a little bit as what we have in Germany already with our paper as sex workers that is proposed in the United States for all porn performers so the government does have like a registry of everyone who's ever done porn and can check if they're like legal and everything is fine and CZR came out of the so called war on porn what is the war on porn we do talk about a lot about stuff and places like only fans or recently a lot in media and often seen is like evil porn platforms and don't get me wrong the platforms are quite evil I'm not aware of any sex worker being generally in favor of these platforms these platforms basically see sex workers as click workers a little bit like I don't know what Amazon is doing pretty awfully with all kind of technical work is happening there too so like oh yeah they basically want content and we're going to create it for them and they're going to sell it and what happened I guess most of you have heard about it in the beginning of December is that there was like a huge debate after an article by Nicholas Christoph in the New York Times claiming that porn hub was like really evil and didn't deal with any kind of abuse material and that led to porn hub changing a policy that sex workers were asking for for years that you only could upload content to porn hub or all of mindgeeks websites if you're a registered and if there's like some kind of ID check because what a lot of porn people really hate on these platforms not so much on OnlyFans but particularly on porn hub and XSAMSA basically all of mindgeeks porn porn sites is that you do have like a lot of illegal illegal uploads there it is a little bit like I don't know 10 years ago when a lot of people used like movie 2K or something to watch movies and the content industry was heavily arguing against it and that debate at some point kind of vanished because Netflix came up and well torrenting didn't disappear and Pirate Bay is still there so you still can use it but most to most people Netflix just got easier and more comfortable than using some kind of I don't know ad based shady website and that didn't happen with porn yet so it is a little bit the same with the exception that well the big movie companies in Hollywood do have money to run big campaigns the porn companies that have money are these and the people who create stuff for them are left out to dry but where's the war on porn coming from it is called so called Exodus cry which is like a strong religious yeah strong religious Christian fundamentalist group that created earlier this year actually not this year I think it's already some time ago I'm not sure the hashtag trafficking hub to attack porn hub and Nicholas Kristoff who wrote a huge huge debated piece for the New York Times basically took all the arguments from this Christian fundamentalist group and while they try to say they're like against sex trafficking what they are is against all kind of sex work they're generally against porn and they're also very much against all kind of LGBT rights but no we as an organization we do not have a stand on LGBT rights we don't care about them but pretty much all of their members are very strong anti-LGBTQ so that's where the war on porn comes from it's Christian fundamentalists trying to send the internet and everything that has to do with sex because sex is evil so what do we do more of the question like are we giving the talk for the one hand the year I guess a lot of people will find it interesting to have some kind of insight in what tag for sex work means but it's also the point like why I outed myself is we need help on the one hand well we need to fight stigma we need to be okay with sex workers being or doing their job but above that we need society generally patronizing us we need to decide on our own what is good for us and what is not good for us and we need rights to stop the wrongs we need support from everyone who is in favor of us doing our jobs and I believe a lot of people who are watching this talk are watching porn and they are not looking sex workers anymore because they did have a ditch a bit with porn coming around but porn is a part of sex work and if you want to have that option to book sex workers but also just watch porn to enjoy that in a hopefully legal way then you do have to support us and you can do that by giving us money like not me personally or like well for sure for me you do have to pay me but in the last year well we do have the COVID situation and the best the Berufsverband Sexarbeit which is kind of the German sex workers union created an emergency fund for sex workers that are not liable to any other emergency funds which are quite a lot for example me who is legally still a student and because I'm a student I can't have any kind of help from the government because basically I'm a student I can't even apply for like a fundamental support or hard sphere but that isn't enough we also need the sex workers union itself to be stronger to work for better rights and similar organizations as the Berufsverband also like on the European level RSE or SexworkEurope.org that is like a collection of a lot of sex worker organizations around in Europe and that's like a collective the Hacking-Hustling Collective in the United States that is working a lot on this topic on like the intersection of sex work and hacking and tech and one very important part is the NSWP that's the network of sex work projects that's kind of the global organization combining all sex workers and and while it is a bit funny to say like oh yeah give us your money when I'm saying like well giving money to sex workers is quite hard organization wise it does work so yes please if you do have money to spend give it to us yeah that's done thank you very much we actually do have some questions from the internet now yeah awesome first one was very easy someone wanted to see the card again if that's possible a little closer I don't know if you have any personal information on it on the front which camera should we use this camera wait I'm gonna come oh you can okay alright so we do have this one like on the front and do not fall down can I yeah I can show all of it like the inside my birthday is below that that's why it's covered but that's like the card which is kind of interesting it does say like I can have it like on my pseudo more like my alias which is kind of interesting as sex work in Germany is also like not liable for like sex work alone there's not a reason enough to have like an artist name though it is like and that creates a lot of issues as I don't know we can't like sign any kind of contracts or something in our artist name yeah more questions okay thanks a lot next one is a really regarding the technical approaches for example an official or non-official app where a sex worker can at least do a quick check if the area the client requests the worker to be is outside the forbidden area I'm not aware of it they are I forgot the name like some organization or like some kind of regional help organization like Kütter and Berlin council places that do help with that and that you can contact just like oh yeah do you have like some kind of map or something but I'm not aware of like any kind of app to just quick check or something and to some or to a lot of these it is also constantly changing as a lot of states say that it's like oh yeah like an environment like 300 meters around like every school like every kindergarten and stuff and whenever there's like a new kindergarten or something the real where you can work just change or like if some clothes or something you do have like more place again and basically is like no one really cares about and we just try to not get caught okay so there's a job for you open street map out there yes please about it algorithm that puts a circle of 300 meters around every school and maybe that helps so that was tech and sex work definitely the next one is is a new aim of the Shufa big watch in the bank transfer not a big repression for political groups like Hydra in Germany they need a nation for their works okay I don't know what the new aim of Shufa is me neither I guess what they what I thought they might be referring to as the debate that happened in Germany quite a lot about NGOs being able to run as a non-profit for the Wolfsverband for example that was never the case because it is basically there for their members and for sex workers and therefore was never legal for as an NGO or like a non-government non-profit and therefore if you do spend money to the best which very much encouraged you to do you do not get any kind of tax relief because yeah it's there for sex workers and sex workers are not huh yeah okay one last it's in German the question for how important do you have a bargain like anonymous and just digital payment method for sex worker especially online I would also like to use other porn platforms but I don't want to use my own credit card there is a reasonable digital payment method needed but bitcoin etc. has no solution so in English yeah how important would be a cash like digital app to transfer money I'm not aware of anything concerning tech and sex work that I'd say is more you are like more needed than that there are like a lot of things that could turn bad rather like on the legal side and like turn down more platforms and stuff but on the development side I'd say there's like nothing more important than creating something that we can online kind of anonymous use money and well yeah bitcoin isn't really doing it and PayPal doesn't want to do it yeah sure yeah so that I have a question okay there's one more from the I'm not sure I'm online because it's a micro okay yeah you talked about the USA and Sweden how about Germany are you aware about people like Mr. Lauterbach who want to use the pandemic or health reason to prohibit sex work forever well there's like a debate or rather was a debate about the Swedish model in Germany that pushed back so currently we are not that much on a threat anymore there will be like a evolution or like revision on the German law in end of 2021 I believe I think it was like implemented in 2017 so like five years later it was like meant to kind of like be replaced or like be said and there will come up some political debate where to continue with the rather recent or like 2017 German prostitution law or prostitution protection law but yeah so far like currently it's a little bit like it is not as urgent it is still an issue and we still need to be very much aware of what's going on there but I believe at least I can compare to a lot of other European countries that are a little bit on a safe side currently but yeah Lauterbach was quite annoying with like his super spreader claim for sex workers which does not have any kind of proper data to support that but he did if we do want to have more question or something tomorrow from 5 to 6 p.m. Berlin time we're going to do another round of Ask the Sex Worker where I will be to ask all kind of questions that you might have about sex work generally or the talk or whatever you want to ask about and there's also Udina Der Revier tomorrow reading out of her book which is a pretty good book in German and she will be at the Ask the Sex Worker round as well yeah so you're very much invited to on the one hand listen to Udina tomorrow reading her book she has a really good voice and she's really good on her noses and also join the Ask the Sex Worker round yeah I think that's it I guess we do have to close as the next talk will come thank you very much thank you for having me we take another 5 minutes to change the stage and then Matthias Bonro will be on here with the last talk of the day so thank you