 Okay, well, so we've got people from, I'm in Australia, Belfast, Bogota, Santander, Achille Chau and Arizona, USA, so we've got our team, East Teemo, if he's here, and we've got Rigoberta in Guatemala, so we've got a good spread. Right, John, what's, shall I ring up Alvinus? Can you hear me perfectly? Good morning from Colombia. Good morning from Colombia. Perfect, we've heard you. Yes, thank you. You're releasing it? Yes, I'm releasing it. Good morning, everyone, special greetings, special greetings. And a brotherhood greetings to all of you, the ones who are seeing us and listening to these communication means in this national, at world level. I want to send you my greetings as a message to peoples and on behalf of those indigenous people and the Afro peoples. We will start this scenario, the national scenario, requesting international support to safeguard the peace agreement, other challenges of the ending chapter. Again, thanking these transmission through three platforms, one of the ending commission, the second through our good organization, indigenous organization from Colombia or through the ESM. We are in three languages, Spanish, English, and French. To those who are in the social networks, you can help us with hashtag Versaime. Then we will read out the agenda, first, greetings, second, harmonization. For us, the ethnic peoples, it's very important to open and to deliver and offer the guide and the path to our higher spirit. The third point, the context and synthesis and how this ethnic commission for peace was born under the defense of human rights. And then we will have our host that will start teaching or waving with our special guest our sister, Amanda Pulkunzada. Then after that, in this international sense, we will have different celebrities that we will be with us. We will give the floor to all those that are listening and to our authorities, indigenous authorities and Afro authorities for their recommendations, conclusions, challenges to improve facing the implementation of the peace agreement of the chapter N. Then we will be singing a special song, the song, the pain of our forebearers who will be with Ana Milenaria and we will be closing with Mejorez Agiola. This is the agenda to introduce to you the people who are in this virtual table and all the people who are following us through these sexual networks. Please remind, be reminded that we are on hashtag with the inns. Then we continue with our harmonization with our sister, many from the Pijau people. Thank you. Currently our sister, Albenistike, is lighting the candle to lighten our spirits, energies through this scenario and deliver this good legacy of our fair Boris, Afro and indigenous peoples within this international movement. Thank you sister, Albenistike from the Pijau people. We could see it is a ritual of cosmic and sister indigenous energies to open this path, this tissue with the international support to safeguard the implementation of the peace agreement and other challenges in the five years of the end chapter. Next I will be summarizing how is that this ethnic commission came up for peace and the defense of territorial rights. It is a ethnic instance of indigenous indigenous authorities and Afro authorities safeguarding the territorial rights of our ethnic peoples within the negotiation process and implementation of the peace agreement apart from it and within this scenario. We require some special mechanism different to the participation so that they can tell the realities that we found as ethnic peoples. This ethnic commission for peace and territorial rights it is a natural autonomous instance with participation and decision that is working and recognizes the state and the territorial processes. As I said at the beginning it is indigenous authorities and Afro authority scenario revidicating our own identity rights autonomy and political participation as well as territorial participation exercise in a peace building from our realities and from our territories. Apart from this this commission takes on board as a principle the complementarity between men and women revidicating the main multicultural features and the diversity of ethnic peoples within the autonomous resolution of conflicts between people's communities indigenous. This commission joins all organizations national indigenous colombian organizations on the national peace council afro colombian peace council comma the community the black community process dcn indigenous authorities of the west of colombia august and the peoples for peace it is a commission that has been created from the struggles of our mayors and mayors of our indigenous and afro communities. So this is the ethnic commission for all here with us the ones who are seen and listening to us in all scenarios please remember that we have hashtag fersa etnica. Next we will give our greetings to authorities mayor armando balbuena mayor carlos prosero mayor andruba plaza and mayor is uh joana bustos we start with mayor mayor armando balbuena. I believe that mayor armando balbuenas is not present so while this is happening we can just continue with mayor carlos prosero please accept my greetings on behalf of mayor armando because of difficult circumstances cannot be with us physically but he's with us spiritually thank you thank you now we move to mayor carlos prosero good morning everyone our colleagues have made this conversation possible and the ones who have accepted to take part with us in this ethnic commission so important just to give you a greeting and to tell you that on behalf of the peoples that we are grateful with for your voices and the hope that we have in Colombia to broaden our circumstances in which our peoples have been attacked not only through the armed internal conflict but the logic and models of development risking the lives of our peoples their territories and also the peoples of our colleagues helping in this task not only the task of the indigenous and Afro peoples but it's a humanity task peace is everyone's concern and to keep the plan for future integrations is not only an issue of indigenous folks thank you for this nice message next we go to mayor good morning special greetings to all people taking part in this virtual scenario it is nice to know that at national level as well as international level we see many people interested in the peace in Colombia but it's also important to know that within this peace process there is a special space special place for ethnic peoples that piece is related to the ethnic chapter peace agreed in Havana as part of the final peace agreement subscribed on the 11th of November 2016 let's say that five years ago once this agreement was signed ethnic peoples we are a big behind in the implementation of these subscribed agreements this is important then that all of us the personalities with us today we can listen to them with ideas suggestions to get these agreement ahead the implementation framework of this peace agreement that will be in favor of ethnic peoples is not easy has not been easy in this higher instant sense of peace we have doing this kind of balance of what so far is the implementation and believe me that is complex because while the government says that the ethnic peace chapter has 80 percent of implementation we in this ethnic peace higher instance been working on this and we have the idea and and the results not even reaching the 10 percent there is a imbalance if you wish from the 80 their 80 and our 10 so we're about to publish a report that we have consolidated it will give us an idea of how is the government not given the world or the country real data will be a we will be attentive in this meeting thank you for your participation the ones with us and be ahead if it is possible we will have an intervention thank you thank you very much may you have to do a plaza with this that this meeting reflect the work that we've been doing the work we're doing for a long time many women within this territory process building spaces allowing to do the peace within the communities their rights and to have some other some harmonic spaces with nature and territories from a women afro-indigenous women point of view we want this meeting to allow us to strengthen these alliance working alliance international working alliance allowing us to with a very important meeting with all of you and advance within sorry in the implementation of peace from the focus of gender women family and thanking you we are building and this is the idea and you know facing this invitation this meeting that will allow us to weave this alliance for the good of our territories in columbia thank you thank you joana miyambustos who's given our work as an authority next we will link at international level where i give the floor to my colleague and sister amanda urtado she is an activist academic academician from the discrimination social conservatory thank you please be reminded that we are hashtag versa etnica and through the different social networks please amanda go ahead good morning good evening for those with us and from different countries we will give the floor to this panel the panel has has its main objective too within these international alliance supporting the implementation of these peace agreements specifically to the ethnic chapter which are the safeguarding instances protecting quarantine the rights of the ethnic people in columbia these panel is part of comprehensive part of some academicians activists and people have met for a created outcome from conflict it is also part we we have the representative of the united nations in columbia so give the floor for them to introduce themselves or the ones who are going to be part of the panel we have no one who is a linguist philosopher and political activist from the united states he is a enigmatic professor of linguistics of the MIT massachusetts institute and is one of the features highlighted feature of the 20th century and it's important to say that apart from playing an academic role he is a political activist and has been especially characterized because of his critical work facing the contemporary capitalism and the foreign policies of the united states he believes himself to be a social thinker and even the new york times has featured him as one of the most important thinkers of the moment thank you professor chompskin for being with us in this space we also have the participation of the government and central americans sister from what another he is a indigenous and activist women member of the maya group defender of the human rights and the ambassadors goodwill ambassadors from unesco whose won the peace novel prize in 1992 thank you very much and sister regoberta for being with us reflect in this reflection space we have for semen well dramos otan he is the former president of east timor between 2007 and 2012 he also has been a minister in several instances specifically of foreign affairs and also he was a speaker of the timorist resistance in exile during the indonesia's occupation between 1975 and 1999 thank you for semen well dramos for being with us in this space we do have jara kelly he is a politician republican politician from ireland he's a member of the provisional ira he performed a very important role within these negotiation processes that ended in the good friday agreement in 1998 and currently he's a member of the northern irish island assembly so we have a important position from different spaces and places supporting us to our own collective reflection that we are doing as a colombian peoples around the transition of this peace process signed between the colombian government and the FARC EP also this peace process had a third act as plodofa dan vega in which the ethnic peoples occupied an important role and it became a three actos peace process the government the FARC and the ethnic peoples are the third party in this negotiation and we have from carlos muncker with us as well who has been the coordinator of the mission created by the human right council of the united nations to research the assault of the community sorry the humanitarian people going to gas that he's been in charge of the higher commissioner of the united nations in guatemala he has been a political advisor to the mission in guatemala peace mission and he is currently the joint representative of the higher commission of the united nations for colombia thank you very much for your company which is very important to listen to your recommendations and perspectives of the united nations with or from the one who has been accompanying and verifying the compliance of the ethnic chapter of the peace agreement also accompanying the ethnic peoples in the management of the rights so this is the perspective to start with this dialogue i like to start with professor chomsky he could perhaps accompany this reflection colombia after the signing of the peace agreement we have utopia we have hope to walk to a negotiated exit from the conflict five years later we have a number of leaders um assassinated because of their management of the implementation and other rights in colombia specifically a link to land and the warranties to be able to remain in the berth forest territories it has been a deepening of our humanitarian crisis in the country many communities has been deployed this place confined and the current pandemic covid-19 exacerbated these war policies within the country taking us to a degradation of war even in racial policies as it's been reflected within the most affected population in terms of covid which are the population of indies indigenous peoples and this poverty this perspective i believe it is important that professor chomsky could perhaps give us some reflections taking into account the international community with us and how is that effectively these calvary humanitarian crises are faced by the indigenous and african- colombian communities is reaching a peak because of the lack of implementation of these peace agreements under this specific perspective last year when we were meeting with professor chomsky he certainly reflected about the possibility of this um gathering of elements of the lack of implementation of the peace agreement the lack of political will of the current government to break these peace agreements where important aspects that could be unleashing a way for protest in a country as colombia and within that perspective professor chomsky how is that we could speak um of the implementation of the peace agreement especially of this ethnic chapter of the peace agreement and how these elements current elements within the national context in colombia and the international context have an incidence upon the implementation of the peace chapter especially because of the current crisis of capitalism in its neoliberal phase professor chomsky you had the floor shall i begin yes professor uh i've been asked a few comments on the question of capitalism and the climate crisis the deepening crisis of accumulation the role of the ethnic framework have been dramatic in connection to these issues uh weekend with the release of the latest report of the IPCC the efficient monitors the state of the climate uh under the UN's auspices of the united nations several hundred countries involved it is the most authoritative study possible it was a very dire study it made it very clear that the world is they say with certainty moving to uh live one point far as celsius above industrial levels the powers negotiations in 2015 set off set out as the peak beyond which we are bringing into a dangerous area that we're certain to reach that and and our fears uh they no matter what we do because of the amount of carbon accumulation it's already been uh then on to further hazards apocalyptic outcomes unless the use of fossil fuel is reduced to essentially zero mid-century and then they added something over and above the ominous uh forecasts of earlier years now made more extreme pointed out that it is necessary to keep uh technologies to remove carbon from the atmosphere if we hope to stabilize the temperature to move on to what's sometimes called a hot house earth of three to four degrees celsius above pre-industrial which is essentially uninhabitable problem is that those technologies do not exist uh they they're barely in the early stages of development uh and even if they come into existence how to deploy them is not at all clear it's not impossible but it's not going to be achieved within the framework of current state capitalist institutions this is left to the private sector for one thing that will be scattered and inadequate efforts for another we can be confident that this will lead to essentially uh greenwashing uh pretenses of doing something which offer a pretext and excuse for continuing to fossil fuels for profit making well that was monday day the next day tuesday president joe byer made an appeal to the oil producing countries opaque the appeal to them to increase the fossil fuels that would improve the us uh economic prospects based on increased consumption and destruction of resources well that's the way the week opened some dramatic insight into the situation between capitalism and climate change they are on a collision course uh we can essentially say goodbye with not long period ahead uh sea level wise and one or more meters maybe more uh most of the world will become uninhabitable there'll be massive uh flight of people beyond any dreams of uh migration uh there's no escape people used to go to which is a not cold place except that canada is burning so much so that even the fuck can't be contained west so we'll go to Siberia except that Siberia which is for each level vast on what they ever were and and there is appearing just covered that uh the uh listening temperatures in Siberia are releasing vast quantities of methane uh not from the wads for the affected hard rock where it was unexpected which covered methane is uh it's not as long lasting as urban deox it's much more lethal it's also produced uh industrial meat meat production cows uh and uh if we are forced to disaster we move in over that's important and our energy has come out with detailed specific proposals which are feasible that it could contain the crisis can't overcome it we've already injured the earth severely it would contain it so we could adapt that level society uh the u.s resolution alexandria young representative who came in on the commander's wave and ed markey a senior senator from ascent has been working on environmental issues all his life they introduced in approximately that of the international energy there are economists come to see uh fact is that we have to contain the damage but we're seeing in the how to just be a fit into this very significantly Colombia is is fossil fuels Colombia is one of the meat produce trees the amazon the amazon region is a very significant uh element in the global climate system it's uh it's what's it absorbs carbon from the atmosphere produces the amazon is under civil threat the Amazon is literally tied onto the bolson or regime rapidly increasing our station illegal but supported point that a group of and this couple of weeks that the southeastern portion of the Amazon has already reached a point which has been stated for many decades the point in which it is shifting sink absorbs carbon to carbon either carbon for Brazil disaster it means the Amazon move to essentially the grasslands the production of carbon willy the taking in of carbon in full will sharp drop drop sharply become desert to devastating catastrophe for Brazil for the entire world alcohol in a situation period of the dream of violence the Amazon was left pretty much untouched investors didn't want to move in because of the uncertainty with the very tentative peace agreements there's the beginnings of greater investment in the Amazon which will destroy it gold mining ranches anything for profit my should say personally my own latest visit to calca small village remote couple of a couple of hours away from the band american highway very poor village I was there because they were trying desperately to protect the mountain which is there a virgin forest on the mountain which is their energy resource their water resource to protect it from a gold mining company which was coming in that would devastate and destroy it uh they're working hard they need outside support things like that are happening elsewhere well where does the ethnic commission come in it's crucial role apart from the main goal of trying to protect people from simple assassination and then destruction assassination murder increasing everywhere apart from this they must turn to some sort of sustainable development for Colombia so it can play its essential role in overcoming the massive crisis that we have uh entered into this goes far back in history just looking at the recent period in the post cold war period in 1945 the United States was in a position of overwhelming power basically ruled the world and it set out consciously carefully to lay out the framework for the post war world began in Latin America in February 1945 before the war even ended the United States called a hemispheric conference in Mexico all countries of Latin America attended the point of the hemispheric conference was to impose what was called an economic charter for the Americas determination of how the Americas would function as the countries as economic units and it had a principle the principle was stated by the State Department U.S. State Department clearly it said there must be an end to economic nationalism in any form no country is permitted to undertake policies which will interfere in any way with the international economic system that the U.S. is proposing and the State Department went on to explain that a dangerous current of opinion is developing in Latin America and it must be stopped that current opinion is what they call the philosophy of the new nationalism which holds i'm quoting that the first beneficiaries of a country's resources should be the people of that country that is unacceptable the first beneficiaries of the country's resources must be international investors which means essentially U.S. Canadian multinational corporations EU corporations in later years they must be the first beneficiaries so in the tiny village of and Calco which I visited the first beneficiaries of the resources in this case the water resources of the Virgin Forest cannot be the people of that village rather they must be the gold mining international enterprise that wants to destroy the Colombian resources and enrich the rich in the wealthy countries that's the economic charter for the Americas there have been struggles against it over the years United Nations under Latin American initiatives did in the 1970s call for the new international economic order that would respond to the needs of the global south that was crushed Reagan administration finished it quickly this struggle continues it's very much alive today now it's not just the future of the Latin American countries that is at stake the future of all of humanity is at stake as we race towards a crisis that can be stopped but only by deeply committed efforts in every corner of the globe which will reverse and modify overcome the destructive tendencies that are inherent in an unconstrained capitalism of the kind we have suffered under for 40 years within the neoliberal framework that's essentially where we stand today. Okay Professor Chomsky take us to a very complex reflection and it is about the planting of analysis within these structural material elements how to think on climate change and the relation of the economy and the dependency of the countries the regional country is facing the northern countries and this perspective he talks about the possibility of combination of efforts and in that area I'd like to ask Professor Chomsky what opportunities you can see in the changing of the government of the United States and how is that it could help the implementation of the peace agreement especially in this and the chapter government Biden's government in these changing points. Professor did you get the question Professor Chomsky sorry did you get the question in English Professor? I'm sorry I can't hear I can't hear the question I hear that the moderator is asking but I did not hear it. Professor in the in the lower part of the screen there is an interpretation button that you can activate. The question the question Professor was basically do you see any any any reasons for optimism with the new administration in the US with Biden how could Colombia how could the ethnic commission work effectively with him and his new administration how could the hopefully a new government in Colombia after elections start to work with the Biden administration. Do you see any any any hope there? She also asked for a specific recommendations related to the implementation of the peace agreement for ethnic communities. The implementation I mean it could be hoped that the international community would take a significant role in assisting the ethnic commission in its highly significant crucial activities right now it doesn't look like it. The Biden administration has taken essentially no position with regard to Colombia very little with regard to Latin America in the general area that we're discussing of capitalism and climate change. The Biden administration has indeed put forth programs which are the best yet they're not good enough but the best of any country much better than any previous administration but they're not really implementing them. I gave one example calling on OPEC to increase oil production but the same is true in other areas leasing federal lands for oil exploitation has increased the focus of the administration is on other topics it's not on this enough agitation popular activism might move it in that direction but for the time being I think the ethnic commission is going to be constrained pretty much to act within Colombia without the kind of support that it should have from the international community to protect people from violence and destruction and to aid Colombia in moving towards a form of sustainable development which will be highly beneficial to Colombia and will help participate in a global effort and it must be international to confront the immense crisis that stands right before us as the IPCC again emphasized even in starker terms than before a few days ago. Thank you very much Professor Chomsky I believe that while you've discussed in terms of the path the works this is a very important work for the ethnic commission and is to keep on in its efforts on the follow up and accompaniment to the communities and also to the implementation of the ethnic chapter of the peace agreement and it's very important as repeated by Professor Chomsky to have a change in the economic model that for another one that can read the climate change and the possibility to build a developed sustainable development model for the region and in this perspective I want to start this conversation and dialogue with Jose Manuel Ramos Orta and within that perspective I'd like to ask him recognizing his experience in the mediation of these peace agreement and peace processes what has been working and what has been the strategies and methodologies that you have used if we don't have guarantees or trust for them to comply within the processes in the case of Colombia five years after the peace agreement signing as said before there is a high index of non-compliance from the state in this agreement implementation and that this perspective I'd like to listen to your reflection no I can't see anything and professor has no translation that does anyone can translate it like the last time okay yes uh professor I think the question was for you and Jose Ramos Orta Jose Ramos Orta the question is to Jose Ramos Orta yes about the challenge yes the implementation where the when the government is not committed to with the implementation as is happening in Colombia yes yes so the question is to Jose Ramos I'm sorry the professor is having an issue Jose Ramos Orta is out of the call there is an internet problems for him right now so I am going to change that presentation and I give the floor to Rigoberta Menchu Rigoberta according to your experience in Central America I want to ask you is there any similarity or differences between the peace accord sign in Guatemala and Colombia and specifically indigenous people and women thank you very much for this opportunity greeting to all the sisters brothers analysts I admire you all of you a lot thanks to the militancy for the peace and to be able to achieve that the people respect their dignity today is the day of our ancestors we appreciate our first parents grandparents grandmothers and all their first teachings so we can continue the full life they wish for us especially to the indigenous people I always insist that each peace support has a different context different particularities because it is also an intensity in the confrontation policies deepness violent policies used for many decades therefore we shall not see our process alone or like an international global accord each one has its own specifics Guatemala case for example we were able to receive the global equipment on indigenous people where it will be used the international concepts about indigenous people mainly 169 agreement and the category of people of people with their own names and that's the reason why we don't have a ethnical agreement here if that's so it would be a lost for the mayas incas and all the people that have their own language and their specific territory our peace accord is very deep very profound and my point is that not necessarily profound accord reflecting the demands of the indigenous people to do a real consultation to this indigenous people is the only way to transform the situation of these people in Guatemala the peace accord was a blank check black check for the governments for the trans nationals our master nom chonsky says all the global implications of the international policies also uh black checking blank for the watermelon entrepreneurs trying trying to get rid of one conflict covering new spaces new scenarios therefore our first battle was around human rights and we wanted to recover the historical memory of the victims to rearticulate the communities try to heal the fragmentation from this armed conflict mainly the inter community interethical confrontations we continue now maybe in a worst battle worse than war and that's why during these 25 years of this peace accord we are able to see that it continues intact a set of realities that were in transform no structural changes were done and some extraordinary events occur the role of the international community in Guatemala was essential that's creation of that cc international community against impunity impunity was going to continue crime was going to continue and those with major risk in this peace accord were the human rights defenders they were going to beat the victims because they are witness and they are demanding for the justice and really they were going to pay for the crimes and therefore many fields were analyzed deeply now with regards to Colombia i respect a lot that process it was larger than ours due to the conflict deep conflict that this country has gone through and also the invisibility of the indigenous people the lack of their recognized recognition to them and their authorities and their ancestors here in Guatemala definitely no one can ignore the presence and the activation that were the organization of the ancestral rulers in Colombia there was a lot of silent and abandonment and the international community never come with a strategy that will benefit really the indigenous people i've been in el cauca during different times after of during the peace accord signatures an aircraft was flying with a peace signal so far far we thought it was never going to land to that specific community what this means is that the partners of the international community weren't the indigenous people nor the conflict resolution territory of conflict the indigenous people is going through unless to strengthen the community organization of the community organization the local organization the regional organization and most of all the organization that means to strengthen the leaders i think Colombia has gone through a very tough moment because there is no policy to strengthen the leadership of the diverse indigenous peoples that coexist there and they have their own rulers their own economical organizations their own political organizations and territorial organizations i don't want to discourage you about this but it is the time to speak up the truth everyone who mentions about peace accord needs to be very honest and less pleasant i feel that in order to one thing to cover some peace accords we tend to forget that peace is a process it's a re-articulation it's a compensation of deep damages caused in the humanism of the environment if that state is not supporting those people there is no possible accord that will bring the structural changes if the private companies don't modify their way of operating they continue kind of approving this controversy i'm pretty sure that it's not gonna be possible to understand deeply this peace accord here fragmentation is even worse during elections all these people suffer a lot in order to express their ideas their proposals and also things margin up at the same time so where do we need to guide the force i don't want to be anti-system but we need to recognize the system of each people and we need to women organize here in Guatemala we are associated in a platform of indigenous women more than 50 leaders and we have been fighting year after year with our lives during the last 40 years and now together we try to have an incidence because the other powers are huge on the one hand we have the war interest link with corruption link to impunity to organize crime and also different traffics i'm not mean just rock trafficking today we are going back to these human trafficking contemporary slavery and we are seeing a daily eviction of these people from their mother nature and their environment so my recommendation is first all the rulers all the possible rulers will prepare a common strategy with their own violence from their own realities if i do one from Guatemala maybe i'm gonna make a mistake because here things are not going good there is an impunity organized crime we're going back to the past going back to the past means to validate violence as a method and it means repression the state threatens with these curfews and other measures used in the past why because the norms never change again peace accord is a motivation i want to tell you use it motivate your fights your actions and also motivate the the your ideas and you need to socialize the results i think that all the rulers from that continent can meet together to socialize what we consider are these achievements none of those who received this uh blank check but our achievements who continue working in the social organization and most of all let's see the emergence humanitarian emergency landscape in most of the region of the continent where there are indigenous people after descending re-indicating their identity they live in extreme poverty they're going through this pandemic with no as never before they have and they are being fragmented fragmentation between the state entities that go there but also the one left by the wall the controversies and the semantic discussion utopia there are people of utopia but it's true that transformation is not looking for utopies they want a commitment of action from learning in what side i am i am in that one that is pleasing everything or in the other side of the large majority that is saying that they're not being hurt by the governments not nor by the mining companies or transnational not being heard by the own local entrepreneurs so we need to become partners because if not what's the peace that we want to build i appreciate the colombian people the peace accord and i hope that that blank check will be one for the indigenous people also for the rulers not only to the same who has always taken over the power structures preaching to all the women diana thank you for the invitation i am very pleased i am in watermelon let's continue forward we are here let's use the social media don't miss because we are brothers although we are far we are in the jungle don't use this pandemic as a pretext of silence as a pretext also all of the total abandonment of our elders our boys and children with malnutrition colombia is so wealthy so wealthy and it's so sad when i see that there is a lot of malnutrition children suffering there is a big clips showing that the peace that we need is a human being and not a paper assess the concept but prepare our own impacts thank you thank you very much before saying goodbye it will be important to deepen in something and it's about some elements that you have touched and that is what happens after the peace process in Guatemala quite effectively a deepening of interest in the war linked to corruption and organized crime and this perspective you can tell us what where the strategy is used to overcome these challenges after the signing of the watermelon peace agreement what i remember the most as a model was the role played by the civic the commission the national commission against impunity because it strengthened somehow a prosecution office against corruption and against impunity now for the criminal prosecution against corruption as a crime a crime against the population stealing the state resources increasing it in the international sphere so cc we are defending the challenges left from cc is the struggle flag for the human right defenders but it's not the state's play role because it was the state trying to finish and he's still trying to finish what has been achieved in our impunity struggle and the struggle against criminals that have been committed against humanity also the historic memory of the peoples not only that the problems that we have within the territories we have done 70 consultations in the territory and these results is a challenge for the state to change its policies but this is not mighty into justice however this is subjected the lack of tolerance whoever is posting this impunity is very powerful it is in the progress it is in the legal system and it is in the executive power in the administration of the state so we are with this popular struggle we are with the social struggle we don't have any other level by the manifestation demonstrations asking for the stepping down of the prosecutor's office the international community we don't see that as active as it should be because why is that the international community is not as active i'd like to see that a community an active community here in Colombia or whatever if it is true that the sun and objective is the state of right participation democracy pacific participation of the citizenship this is a definition type of movement i believe that we have a lot of achievements we have very brave women and you will have us on their own conviction all the years needed because peace didn't happen 25 years ago is that we have to just be surveyed every single day thank you i believe that it is quite key the role of the international community facing this corruption this perspective i believe that there is a challenge very important one for the end the commission and is to keep insisting upon this political and social mobilization as we have done since 500 years ago thank you very much to goveta for being with us and i believe that it's quite key your role within this women process between allies to safeguard the peace agreement in Colombia thank you you can't count on me i am with you you can call i'd go i don't have boundaries so please count on thank you okay now we say goodbye now we say goodbye to rigoberta our friend and sister so we'll give the floor to give the floor to general kelly he's in the room yes he is in the room so i might like ask general kelly what has been his inspiration to promote the peace process in 1998 at the signing of the good friday agreement i'd like to listen to your own reflection here kelly um okay thank you very much uh let me start off by saying i'm very privileged to be asked to say a few words here and i i hope it will be of some benefit but i'm not sure let me agree with bertha two comments you made one is that every conflict and indeed every peace process is different but there are points which are threads which travel through which i think are important and also when she speaks about a common strategy coming together i think there's a very core a core issue so if i could give a very a very brief background because i work on the basis and forgive me if i say you know very obvious things i i don't know very much about that very very brief background because i work on the basis and forgive me you're okay can you hear me i'm getting feedback so so um a sort of very brief background is is that uh island is is britain zealous calamity there has been um over 800 years of it and to jump very far forward down um there has been a a conflict a military conflict um on an ongoing basis during that period uh but uh in 1921 after a a period of conflict the island was partitioned by the british and it was partitioned in a way and i come from the north of island that it was an unorthomatic a mathematical approach to it where they caught off a section where they thought that there was enough prove british in that section to have that in british hands for forever and since that since then there has been in each generation some sort of military operation so to go to your question to come much further forward i was involved in the conflict after the civil rights uh processes of uh 69 which was in america and in europe um we took to the streets mostly students and demanded uh civil rights and the british brought in the army and uh and attacked it militarily and that year of birth if you like uh again a rebirth to the Irish republican army and there was a military conflict then right up till um 1994 and then 97 of where there was a number of ceasefires the ira called the ceasefires on the basis of the promise that there would be a negotiation uh there was a british government at the time on the john major which was by norby government uh who who um stole the implementation who said just there would be talks but i was involved from the very start and became very clear that the talks were not sincere probably because they were a minority government and depended on pro-british elements in Ireland to stay in government um when Tony Blur came in and labor he had a huge majority and uh the uh secession had broken down for a period of 18 months uh but was able to be put back together again and it broke down because there was no implementation of promises made and then from the second uh um ceasefire there were negotiations for a period of two years and out of that came the the agreement and i think uh Robert also imagined trust um so let me say about trust the reason to have an agreement the reason for them and i say some bi obvious things the reason that you need an agreement is because there is clearly mistrust so trust does not become before an agreement trust comes after an agreement and it is built upon whatever the agreement says then you do your part of it and the other players in this which of course was the british government in our case have to do their part and what i can tell you um now uh because it is uh you know 23 years 22 23 years after was what i didn't realize at the time was that we thought the negotiations were up to the agreement and then it would be implementation double bit in actual fact uh the negotiations has continued through it at low period and i think that's important because again listening to Roberta she talks with 25 years and um the the agreement was a bespoke agreement that we came to it involved three relationships the relationship within the north of island which is still on their british jurisdiction and i am a member of that assembly and then there was the north south so we are an all island party chen fian so we have representatives in the republic of island which is the south of island so we had a north south ministerial council which meant that we had a relationship for the first time in our history between people elected in the south ministers government ministers and ones elected in north which were the only government ministers i for a time was a junior minister and then the third relationship and these were all interdependent was between the island of islands and the island of britain and that was the british irish council which involved the irish government the government in the north and the british government and from that there were a series of issues around for instance policing which was hugely hugely problematic we were unable to come to an agreement during the negotiations except to agree that uh since we could not sort of hurt uh within that period that there would be an international commission became the patent commission which involved people from america from uh from america from britain from island from australia from a number of other places who uh came back within a period i think of a year with a whole transformation 175 recommendasians to change completely um the policing situation and that was very important because the police were made up of over 95 percent of pro british um people and so they were part of the conflict they were combatants in the conflict now it has uh in this period and i am a member of the policing board and i was a combatant i was a member of the irish public environment neither is uh over 30 percent uh who are now uh also um irish in their in their view who are irish nationalists and i imagine that because that uh was a huge issue to us which we couldn't agree with at the time but then agreed and the 175 and i'm giving this as an example of things that you've spoke about yourselves that you do not change the government immediately you get an agreement so to be very frank um powerful governments they generally come to an agreement to have peace because it allows them to move on with whatever their strategy is um and uh peace is not uh in itself a resolution um all all the peace as is peace is there so we always argued that it had to be peace with justice with equality with human rights all of that and and all of that was dealt with in the uh the good friday agreement but an agreement because it's not a long document then has to be implemented and that's of course what the conversation today is about so let let me let me give an example because human rights have been talked about we got money things sort of like i might describe the institutions which we settled the institution in the north then fell on a number of occasions again to deal with the lack of implementation and so it was suspended for instance in 2003 it was suspended it was suspended by four times but the last time was in uh 2017 and it has just been put back together again recently and i say this not to depress you but to give you hope that if you if you if you maintain what you your goal is then then that is the core of of moving ahead because at times it looks like it isn't impossible they used to use a thing here during the conflict which was that the problem was intractable the british said it a lot the british media said it a lot and we always said it is not intractable if you instead of looking at a security and that's what always happened they were always looking at a security resolution and military if you like resolution a government or resolution to it um it is impossible if you then look for a political solution and a political solution has to bring about equality has to bring about fairness it has to bring about all those things so um not only did we go through agreement but which was the which called the good friday agreement in 1998 we then had to have another agreement because one of the parties withdrew which was a unionist party called the the democrat unionist party and they built up uh an offense against the good friday agreement but they then came on board when we had a second agreement in the sunday on this agreement which frankly did not move a huge amount away from the good friday agreement but by bringing everybody in it allowed us to move the good friday agreement ahead with some small changes even in policing uh it took up to 2010 it took up to 2006 the sunday on this agreement for ourselves to agree to join the police because they tried to take the the 175 recommendations which were very good recommendations to our surprise and they each on each recommendation they tried to take the core of it out and to return the power so we have a series of accountability mechanisms for instance i'm on the policing board we have a number of others which are there to make the police accountable to the population we went for a critical mass so instead of having 95 to 97 percent all from one part of our community we had to have a critical mass where the two big sections of the community were the nice list the xts and the british um then had to be part of that um we then so in 2010 we had to have another negotiation which would allow policing powers to be passed because they still remained within london to be passed into the north of ireland so that we could set up the policing board so that the parties would be involved and all of that and that was another um um negotiation and then we had a huge issue and i i noticed again i think it was about talking about this which was to do with legacy with the people who had suffered during the conflict on all sides and what do you do for them and how do you help them and we in 2000 over a long period of time because the government said generally generally resists acknowledgement that there was hurt on all sides uh that they are and they are inclined to talk about what was legal and what was that instead of there was a number of combatant forces involved in any case we we got an agreement called the storm house agreement in 2014 with set up structures to deal with uh truth commission prosecutions and reconciliation and all of that again i i don't say as to uh to to press anybody but we are now in the city and haven't changed the british government to um boris johnson who if i may say so is like the small brother of donald trump who is very right when um and he is now after making the agreement he himself also made the agreement and said that the new decade new approach in 2018 they would implement the legacy policies he is now attempting to bring in a what's called a statute of limitations or an armistice which would uh ignore all the victims and just say so we're going to move on and i i say all that um in our circumstance because it's the only place i have an expertise i you know i i don't have i agree with the answers for you except to say this that we always had a um a set of um strategic objectives which if you like were a roadmap to a united island so we haven't achieved the united island yet but what the good freddy agreement was was a created an ability which was no was what wasn't there before a a political pathway to achieve a united island and even though i have gone through a series of problems during that period the fact is that it still remains that we have a political way forward in other words is that we are not forced because people take up arms because they are forced to take up arms communities take up arms you know um and and i mean i i say this you know when i was a teenager which i was um when i first joined the irish republican army i did not wake up one morning and become valent i saw injustice and saw no choice with many others of my generation and saw no choice to go that equally when the opportunity came for negotiations because they of course are an extension of struggle um we and it was very difficult to convince our combatants of this but uh shen fian the political party which i had joined after coming out of jail were able to uh i convince uh with difficulty but convince people that there is a political way forward and that's what moved the whole process on so the strategic objectives we had which i think perhaps are common to most uh struggles and certainly uh conflict resolution processes was the popular as a struggle in other words if you're ready and what you are going for then you need to convince people that that is that that is true and why it's true and all of that internationalized the message which is which is really the same strategic objective except wedding it out now with us we had a huge ice diaspora we are we're a nation a historical nation of immigrants so there's a huge diaspora in america and we reached out to them to internationalize and also there's ice throughout the world the the third if you like uh leg of this is internal cohesion and this goes back to the partnership which i talked about in a minute if you do not have uh if you cannot bring people along with what you're doing in a peace process then you know we call it struts and elastic so you have to show leadership but if you go beyond the your base if you go beyond the activists if you go beyond the population um and and moving forward then you you have lost the the power because where does your power come from and we always said even in negotiations it is not the negotiators it's the matter how intelligent they are it is the people who support them on the outside who accept where they are going which gives them the power and um and so internal cohesion and our our biggest negotiation was actually with our base with the nice list within ireland and the diaspora to support us and our move forward out of conflict through a peace process into a political process the last point which i think is important and has been touched on i think by certainly reberta and uh norm uh for for for different reasons but it is alliances uh or partnerships as as we said and there are negative there are positive and negative alliances so we we had on our strategic objectives to avoid negative alliances which could mean the british government getting with the irish government and trying to bring them on board and leaving us behind leaving the community behind leaving the north behind for an example or taking some of the other political parties and giving them sort of uh partial uh power and things like that uh so the positive alliances for us could be quite temporary what if i could describe it very simply you know if if your uh political power is this safe and for an issue a single issue for instance like policing which is a good example we were able to bring the irish government on board and bring the uh other nationalist parties on board then our strikes went from this says to this says for that period and for that sorry for that subject and we were able to to gain much more uh i mean bigger more simply the more you have the stronger you are and therefore alliances become hugely important in terms of in terms of that we also had international facilitators um who come in for instance george motley uh when when the negotiations were going but and indeed when the implementation process was uh hitting barriers we then asked for assistance from outside and things like that i i've talked too long and forgive me but if there's any questions that and that's that's where we're sort of we are i think the important message is that we must continue continue on even though we hit barriers even though we've become demoralized the the rightness if you like the righteousness of what you're going for of what you want of of human rights of unity of purpose of inclusion we read at the start of us because we had been excluded for many many years we we reached out to small groups even opponents not necessarily nice list there were loyalist groups who are small groups within who were british orientated and we said if you want to get a resolution bring them all into no matter how small they are and give them a voice so i apologize for speaking so long but i mean that's why if you like presentation and if there's any questions i will try and assist thank you very much and kelly i think he's given some elements that are very important as well as other colleagues with us in their own reflections it is important to be emphatic about the role of the governments and this party system within the implementation or for the implementation of these peace agreements noticing that in colombia these substantial changes of the government facing these peace government the current government was opposed to the possibilities of a negotiated result of these armed conflicts so there is an impact that we are now living in colombia and there is a phrase if you wish that will take us to keep on thinking about it and it's the possibility to read these peace processes as an agreement as a political path or a mechanism to achieve social political and economical changes at the end of the day there is a clear intention for the ending peoples especially starting from the building of the ending chapter of the agreement that was a window a possibility to acquire new rights within this process peace process under this perspective i'd like you to deep a bit in the role of the international facilitators did this role to work in favor to you know help to the implementation of these peace agreements with northern island in colombia we're going through a similar process where rightly we have the government against the party system there are some material conclusions that really stopping this implementation affecting the ending chapter how a methodology of process could help us to explore the possibility coming from these international force facilitators to breathe basically help us within this process in colombia sorry i asked for me a question so do you do you heard do you heard the question or you want us to repeat it okay again so my question is with regards to the strategies what can you tell us about the strategies and the role of the international facilitators during the irish peace process okay okay i i think it's it's worth saying that governments generally resist because they look upon it as an internal matter so they generally resist international intervention however we were because we had reached out and the other thing is once once the conflict ends it it also impars people so people who agree with your aim but cannot agree with the conflict then are liberated to become part of it so your strength almost automatically starts going in that in that circumstance and we were able then to return to mainstream irish america and i can get interest from there and we eventually because of that process the british government because the americans because there's a huge american islamic and the aspera for instance bill clinton and hillary clinton both took an interest in ireland one of the small things they did well it was it was huge but it seemed small was that they gave a passport a travel visa for jerry adam's who was our leader to be able to go to america to talk to irish americans to talk to the white house to do that so while there was resistance from the british government to allow others in because they thought it was their issue they have relationships with other governments as well and therefore on a number of occasions agreed to that and in fact there was a number of amagan envoys special envoys which were which were tasks to assist in the process of negotiations and implementation as senator george mitzl actually came and took over as a chair and a facilitator of the negotiations as someone who was looked upon as a a a neutral figure because of course part of our problem as as as republicans as irish republicans irish nationalists was that we did not trust the british um in what they were uh in what they said and therefore the irish government also was involved so we had two governments involved and with the american government we ended up with three governments involved and i don't want to exaggerate there are part in it except to say that they they intervened on important issues and so they weren't there on an ongoing basis but for instance if there was a disagreement between the british government and the irish government over something they may have taken a position there and they may have done it quietly uh and spoke to both the british prime minister and the t-shirt or the leader in in dublin um so it it was our and it took some time of course because the first ceasefire was in 1994 and it wasn't until uh the uh 97 where we were able to bring in a few like international assistance in terms of negotiations in terms of implementation for instance now right when uh president uh bagging came in and because there's now a long-standing relationship with ireland um uh trump excluded and president trump excluded but when president bagging came in and the first thing that he said was in terms of uh brexit because the british pulled out of the european union was that uh they they did not want brexit in any way um to do damage to the uh peace accord and uh and the political accord in ireland um the deep friday people and they were they were very public and and said it said this internationally uh that that was their uh position on that and since of course the british government um want to do because they've now left the uh european union want the trade deal with america then they have to listen um to that to that advice so i that's that's sort of an example of of of that it is it was i i don't want to to say that this was an easy thing there was a long process um even building up to be able to do talks during the conflict it was a long process so this has been a long long process and we are 23 years into it now and we are still having problems but an example of when you build alliances um even though they may be for a short period of time or on a single issue or whatever that those alliances uh stay can't stay solid and and are accessed for such a small area of the world into the way it has is actually is actually very extraordinary i would have to say okay muchísimas gracias thank you very much jared kelly rigo vertas thank you very much thank you nom chosky very much so now we will continue with juan carlos monjes representative of the high peace commissioning for colombia they have played an essential role from the dialogues then discussing different parts of the accord and then with the implementation he is with the ethnic commission in the different spaces in the territory and in the participation and the yampe special space of ethnic people who does the follow to that chapter of the peace accord i want to talk to juan carlos monjes the representative what's the assessment done by the office in colombia by the high commissioning of the united nations on human rights about the peace accord what are their recommendations and that's key right now we are going through a very complex process with regards to the implementation of the peace accord Juan Carlos representative to the un the floor is yours thank you very much i am so pleased to be here on behalf of the offer i appreciate the commission for this invitation uh professor chosky vamos or jerry kelly to jero kelly thank you all of you before responding i will say that my intervention is gonna be less interesting than the others because the further interventions were very nice uh mr ramos orta because i need to mention technical aspects before i want to highlight some things that i've heard through these uh presentations that are very important to me is there a camera issue i don't know yeah we cannot see you sorry i'm sorry let me see if you can see me yes sir we can see you now very good thank you i think that the former talks and i went to a small drop rego verda remember to ask something that is in the theories of the peace accord and peace processes there is a difference between making peace the formal act and building peace that's a daily exercise in many cases in colombia watermelon and i imagine north harlan also there's an opposition there's always be an opposition and i want to say some things that are important with that regards going back to that experience of our dear watermelon it's hard to measure the progress and in some cases it has been tried to use percentages percentiles but here we're talking about a peace process a process not a reality that's going to change one day to the other that's why we need to be very serious with the indicators of advance advances back that challenges and it is also important to be very careful to repeat what wasn't working because that will make us forget what is really working deep changes structural changes to overcome the inequalities and historical human rights challenges that somehow allowed to continue with the conflict for decades and those changes are not going to come one day to the other if all the social forces of that society don't participate well no not the society the country the nation i want to add also that my talk is going to be very technical including in the reports of the high commissioning i want to add that colombia office is in the country thanks to an agreement between colombia and the united nations one of the main functions is to follow up to analyze and to observe the human rights in the country after the final signature of this accord in 2016 the office received new functions that's to include in the yearly reports a special chapter about the implementation of the rights in terms of human rights the office does a quantitative qualitative analysis of the advances and challenges of the implementation among other topics of the ethnic chapter of the peace accord to the light of the international standards i'm going to link my presentation to the topics that have that have a relation with the indigenous people after this and then people in the chapter just as a parenthesis the office is not doing the analysis from bogota focusing on recommendations from formulated from here from the office according to our mandate we provide technical assistance to the technical entities and the civil society managers in the people's and ethnic organizations we have a broad national deployment that allowed us to work with the representatives of the indigenous people that after the senate communities other communities support them in their strategies to request for their rights same with the state entities our access is to cooperate so that decisions and the policies are accorded international norms and standards for indigenous people and after the census closing my parenthesis and going back to my point our main follow-up instrument is the year report of the high commissioning presented every year to the human rights council at Geneva the high commissioner has identified year after year the challenges to duly comply the international standards with regards to the ethnic chapter of the peace accord it is very important because in that chapter are developed broadly right recognized by the international entities and our yearly report monitor that situation proposed recommendations to the colombian state to strengthen the response to have the right response so in general terms the high commissioner recommended to continue implementing every point of the peace for hands it way with regards to what was decided to the ethnic call and gender and victim participation focus so they can participate to the right the justice the reparation and the guarantee of the non-repetition something that was presented in the last report presented during this year she identified the impact that different expressions of violence are being seen the lack of access to justice and obstacles to enjoy their territory and their autonomy high commissioner and the office believe believe that an important and essential tool to support these adverse conditions is with the reinforcement of that chapter of the end final accord to include I would like to highlight other challenges and other recommendations identified by the high commissioner through these years let me start by the challenges I'm just going to mention some and then the recommendations in order to give you the perspective or of our advances and the obstacles that we still have for the proper implementation of the accord the first challenge I want to highlight is the one linked to the need to implement in those areas far away and the protection of the collective territories of the communities and to develop a good environment for the authorities and after this and there is a mic open I'm sorry there is an intervention someone open the mic Javier Betancourt please Javier Javier can you close the mic of Javier Betancourt Javier is your mic is on thank you I apologize for that interruption you can continue representative the next challenge that has been presented by the office are those linked to that collective measurements that guarantees the protection of the indigenous people on the operating sense with the cultural perspective that will respond to their ancestral practices the high commissioner also identified challenges to include the ethnic focus and an agreement with ethnic authorities to implement programs linked to the peace accord in different departments of the country and that means to design and to execute the national comprehensive plan to replace the illicit crops the next challenge has to do unfortunately with the illicit economic activities of criminal and violent groups that are negatively affecting the traditional use of the territory of the different communities high commissioner and the office is not just focused on these that masses the difficulties obstacles and challenges the country has in order to the implement properly the accord but the most important part here and I believe that's the key of the former talks court can be nice ugly pretty short long the key is in the implementation and our recommendation normally trends to find specific solutions to advance among the recommendations proposed by the high commissioner in the last years first of all will be to encourage that state to strengthen a system where the public officials will work actively in the rural areas to strengthen their understanding of the challenges in the territories and that way they can apply a different focus the ethnic focus specifically so without having any global solution to all the parties without taking into account the cultural difference it's going to be very hard if they don't take that also the increase in the public expense in those areas where they were the children from the old far very left to guarantee them the right to the education the social support and the development applying the principle of the gender focus and superior interest in those areas where they were adopted and to strengthen the participation and the human rights plan to attend the regional needs and to include the ethnic and gender focus and also requested that the assessment process of the different advances will be based on human right international standards the last recommendation I would like to mention here is the high commissioner has warned or encouraged to apply measures that will allow to overcome the challenges to guarantee the right to the consultation and previous and free agreement for the indigenous people and after the sending I'm going to stop here to give the opportunity to the next presentation so thank you very much thank you representative Juan Carlos Monque very much so I think that to conclude with this panel I want to ask to Gerard Kelly and to Rigoberta Menchu because Professor Juan Chosky is needed to attend other commitment but he is going to be waiting for the conclusions from the Ethnic Commission for the Peace and the Territorial Rights Defense we are exploring the option to build a tissue to build a network of support so we can have an international incidence and that way we can support the implementation of that ethnic chapter of the pre-secord I want to ask to Gerard Kelly and Rigoberta Menchu if you are available and willing to support this talk to be spoke international spoke persons of the implementation of this ethnic chapter of this peace accord Rigoberta the floor is yours you have them your mic is close no well thank you very much the initiative is a very important one sometimes we stay just assessing over evaluating our own processes and we forgot to take a look to the great experience and expertise that we can transfer to new processes to the new generations and not necessarily because maybe the process having gone as we desire but the most important that we can do is to transfer the experience we have a whole sea of experience here in Guatemala an experience in that definition in the methodology pedagogy because we have been trying to defend the peace accord for us no one is going to do it for us we're going to do it there is a set of leadership here that can exchange their experiences in a more systematic way I think that the best condition for this alliance is a partnership because we have insisted that we will obtain good results thanks to the collaboration thanks to the cooperation thanks to this partnership thanks to a common agenda a common agenda not just for the region because we are looking to a global crisis and we are being affected by migration right now the youth without job youth trying to find better life conditions so the global enthusiasm is very important so I want to congratulate you for this initiative I'm going to share it here with all the different activists and actors people who have succeeded thanks to being persistent and coherent with their ideas and their fight so I think that yes we need to take this beyond don't exclude observing what the North American policy from Biden is offering and that was addressed by no shosky and there is another mic can you close your mic please sorry and our open mic as I was saying always we need to take into account the other regions and we need to add that we are mad against corruption that dehumanizes the situation of the whole population so I agree yes my answer is just kind of me I agree yes so we will provide information I need more information because without that information I am not I'm going to abstain far from helping I'm going to be making things more complicated and in that case without information I rather observe without intervening so again I am requesting for the information because that's very important I am your partner you can count on me and also it's not just to to put the cherry of the cake no no no we need funds to fund the indigenous people ethnic peoples they need to execute their own program their own projects that's what we are doing here and thank you very much thank you for accepting our invitation to be part of this tissue of international partners same question to mr. Gerald call it thank you and I'm glad that regoberta come in in front of me because she put it much more eloquently than I could I think there was a thing which she imagined which we used to say a part of my my job during a lot of the negotiations and since has been communication with our base and you you can be certain with you know small numbers in the room you can set the big numbers in the room but one of the things which we had the habit of saying is you know that the answers are in this room so so and I think about mention that you know that the experience is in the room that you know what is right for your circumstance and what you need is help in that it's not that you need other people to tell you what it is you know what it is what it is to ask for assistance around that we have an international department that I would ask them to and we will send that contact to send whatever information you can in terms of that you certainly have our solidarity and anything that we can help this is this is a bad piece with justice even though I have been a combatant I have spent my life my adult life I'm looking for peace with justice in Ireland and I certainly support that in any other country which sees oppression or corruption or by government my my vote is with the people with those who are suffering and that the change needs to come so so the easy answer to what you're asking is yes but as Giga brother says can you send us more information and I'd like to thank you for the new idea because there has been an education for me also absolutely thank you very much so now we have some peers from a brother and a peer from North Ireland and from Guatemala who are going to be building this tissue of Spock's persons of this ethnic chapter of our Peace Accord and that's very important to to to to to de-centrate this Peace Accord so thank you very much I give the floor to Diana so she can continue moderating and then move to the conclusions the recommendations and the enclosing acts of this meeting thank you very much for this international tissue and the tissue of the different people the tissue of their resistance and to all of us who are living through this experience in Colombia thanks for the international experiences greetings to all the cyber attendees who are present in this call I receive I've been receiving different messages from different people from all ages children young people from the rural area and the cities thank you very much for being part of this diverse bag that we are building next I give the floor to Joana Amaya Pance who will present the final recommendations the floor is yours thank you Diana thank you very much to all the organization that invited to this initiative as panche I have my indigenous ancestors I greet the communities that are present here and I am honored to collect the conclusions of this discussion the discussion will continue these are just the preliminary conclusions and we need to continue investigating deeply the speech of all the panel participants it's common that they are invitation the internal cohesion of the communities and I think that there are different communities present here and that's a good indication of the internal cohesion that we can have to manage different supports and I think the internal cohesion as it was explained before by Rigoberta Menchur and Mr. Kelly it's needed to manage the support in the international community with international actors the positive interventions as Mr. Kelly mentioned oriented to protect the civilians oriented to protect the human rights I wrote recently a policy brief for the european union and I want to share here some of the slides when I show here how those leaders killed by the social sector between 2016 and 2020 are the indigenous leaders the last line 20 percent of the total population killed within the social leaders that have been assassinated and this is important for the recommendations to the national government to the international community and is the protection of the civilians the internal cohesion needs to be oriented to call the attention not just of the government but the international community to protect the physical human protection of these indigenous communities so as Afro-Diften people in Colombia that's one of the main conclusions of this document and we need to do an important call for this when do some balances there are some positive aspects but we need to call the attention to the protection of the life of the civilians mainly the indigenous people because 20 percent of them have been killed and the indigenous in general are just four percent of the total population so that's a very serious figure Mr. Kelly also mentioned the local government's resistance to the international participation for the case of Colombia there is a contradiction between the image projected to the international community versus the internal practices and that type of disagreement needs to be aligned and then the participation of the different corporation agencies role will be to have a surveillance of the resources not just to be donors but to monitor those resources that have been donated how they are reflected and invested in the development and in the policies and that's a challenge for the international actors so also as it has been set by the panelists every day we are building the peace accord 25 years after a more than 20 north island and in Guatemala they continue protecting this peace accord and as Rigoberta mentioned that goes generation after generation to protect those accords during the transformation or during building that legacy Mr. Kelly mentioned how to build that legacy the role of the international community is essential different studies in the literature have shown that the international actors for example in the case of Colombia have been partners of the communities and have been protecting them so we need to continue and reign for those partnerships with strategic actors like the European Union who have established an agenda prioritizing human rights and that one guided to the mitigation or elimination of illicit crops as the North American government have done it's important the call made by Israel Rigoberta Menchur to the radical and structural transformation in the justice system against impunity yes in a peace accord we cannot guarantee absolute punitive justice it's a transitional justice but requires the surveillance from the international actor how that's really being implemented in the structure of the force services 25 years job in Guatemala and there is a lesson there in every place including in Ireland and Guatemala there is a resistance against the accord even one generation after 25 years after and that legal transformation of the justice system and the armed forces is essential to guarantee that transformation in the long term according to the clear recommendations provided by Mr. Monke and also the other presentations of the panelists the international realities are different each country has its own reality but we need to be very very specific with territorial peace that by national reality changes in a country like Colombia and the indigenous community in Colombia reality is very specific to each community every action guided to guarantee the access to the land in the land reform the deal needs to include the ethnic chapter the ethnic brand the collective right of to the land and the idea is not to fragment the community but needs to be very clear about the access to the land restitution the political participation is essential taking into account the traditional activities and the empower the local emerging leaders from the new young people the new generations and also the discernment the mobilization and the reintegration of the combatants shall integrate the participation of the ethnic community and their own healing rituals whenever they are members of ethnic communities same as it was mentioned before but Professor Chomsky the substitution of illicit craft is essential for the accord implementation I say in general what is the central school the knowledge that the ancestral communities the traditional plants and the natural cycles of land is for them is very important so we can integrate these ancestral and communities communities with regards to the protection of victims and civilians it's going to be very important to include this perspective of the symbolic repair including the traditions of these ethnic people with regards to the relationship with the territory I can continue deeply but here what is most important of all is to protect the civilians and mainly the indigenous communities with regards to the implementation verification again the participation of the indigenous people and Afro-descendant people is going to be important because after that internal cohesion will be more alliances with international actors that we will really verify the coherence between that speech from the international cooperation to protect the human rights with the public policies the development plan and the real actions during analysis of different badges we were able to find that something that was allocated to peace was deviated to a parade a carnival other affairs that have nothing to do with the peace accord implementation the call to the mediation of the different international institutions I am working here with mediation that's to monitor and to present this kind of schizophrenia between that speech and the real practice because we need to guarantee that the public policies are really aligned to the peace accord as a state policy so thank you very much for allowing me to participate it was a pleasure thank you very much thank you very much for these recommendations very important uh from Johanna for all of us we have on hashtag the for the ones who are listening from different parts of the world we want to thank the communication team that we've been working with called PCL ethnic peoples for peace horizon unique that having lots of people was to be seen and to be listened to and that it is for these international women women would be used for the defense of the human rights now I move to the authorities so they can give us their analysis and recommendations on this topic so we start with Mayor Armando he's not so let's go to Mayor Carlos Rosé we would like to thank the presentations of each one for us have been important of the things that I've heard I have concluded for topics the first one is that the whole topic of peace and peace building at least is a halfway sort of marathon we've listened that we don't have the right to give up we have to insist to persevere and to work every day to keep the path second thing that I've concluded and I am grateful for that is the possibility big possibility to learn from others to exchange with others this is a path in which we're not alone many of the peoples have gone through the same situations and the big possibility to enrich us through the experiences from others in the wrong work ready as they are to contribute so that everybody's path will be easier thirdly I've listened that we have the huge responsibility to set us to organize us in a best possible way in all matters that the war is gone so peace will help us to achieve the results this is the work that we have to do daily and with these organizations it's quite difficult to get or to go further but I can talk about something that Rigoberto said and it's about telling the truth somebody has to just shake themselves at all times so we cannot lie so that things are clear and are on the table so that from there we can have the possibility to redo all the paths needed for the recovery of the autonomy freedom and exercising in a comprehensive way all the rights this is what I've learned from these talks thank you all for being there for your experiences and for all these years of struggle because the huge capacity of resistance that you have shown and for sharing that with us the learnings that you have that will give us the provisions to work straightforward this meeting has been very important we've learned I know well we know that it's not that easy we have to obtain the best from us and we have people helping us worldwide you know ready to collaborate from their hearts we will be here from here we have the possibilities to contribute to a to any situation important for all of us thank you for your presence your talks and your learnings thank you very much major Carlos Rosero next major as Drupal Plaza thank you it is important to say that first of all I have to thank all panelist participations leaving the laws of learnings and reflections and a huge amount of task to develop in this post agreement I would like to start by saying that one of the things that I highlight the most is the need to face the territorial realities those are not easy starting that that our own ethnic people especially have a lot of constraints in these territories and to prove that if what the government says is going to be materialized in this ethnic chapter or otherwise as somebody said are some disagreements between the theory and the practice the discourse official discourse might say one thing but the realities are my might be different it is important to reflect upon the peace is not achieved signing an agreement the signing of the women is the facilitator as an instrument to build of this peace process that's why it is a process and the call made is that from from this post agreement period is when we start reading the defense of peace and of the process the confirmation of the process on the other hand there is something else I like to highlight and is that we have to give more power linking dynamics of all the process of ethnic peoples they have had constraints in that area and as I said at the beginning of my talk the government talks about 80 percent of compliance of the ethnic chapter like if everything was done but for ethnic peoples would only be 10 percent so the difference is quite huge and we have to find the communicator or the link between these differences are solved by the ethnic peoples and the realities as perceived by the government but somehow they are very much tied to the people and whoever summarized these we were told that some things is or are the international discourses and the international image managed by peace and the other things are the realities in Colombia once more work will define these based upon what has happened with these national demonstrations while we know internally that the public forces have committed a lot of violations of human rights the national government carried by the president says that these forces are a worldwide example of the application of human rights this is not the case and each of us how is the government is living in a different galaxy but not living in Colombia well they live in Colombia as said by mr president now we're left with a huge task and is that how to work within the strengthening of the GEP GEP is threatened but all in Colombia we have clarity that where were they trying to find or to search is impunity of all the structures that are responsible of these tragedies and pain in Colombia for more than 60 years so it is important that the GEP and from the international instances will help us to give the power not to this institutionalize it as they want to do it transitional justice is facing another challenge requiring our own forces and that these agents responsible of the whole false positives and all things that have happened here they are selective massacres systematic massacres against our social leaders and especially against our indigenous peoples how to give justice to these because they really laugh for it the supreme court says that we are enacting some attention that is actually accused of something but he goes to the prosecution office which is or might be in his or her pocket and he goes free so it is about the international instances to take on board this kind of joke that the justice is being treated as the procurator is filing 12 000 investigations on corruption this is alarming so where are we Colombians will be taking the first place what program they keep saying that this is the best government in the world dear friends thank you very much this has been a very important moment for reflection but the challenges are still there thank you thank you Manolo Pua the company now we have Johanna thank you here again taking again all the important issues as discussed in this talk I believe and I collect some of the aspects related to the work from the indigenous and natural women as said this is a long-term process before the signing of this agreement we were working and we continue doing so we have to mention this here because as we said there are some very huge impacts upon the ethnic communities and populations and women have had a greater impact in their own rights and lives in the territories and in the communities and from there we call because this talk is not the only all these ways that we have had to strengthen the agreements and the joint work between communities ethnic communities and between these international alliances allowing to follow the interpretation of their women as some of our colleagues like river beta said we have to build information and that's what we are trying to back what is the women implementation what is the government is saying and what is that ethnic communities are living in different sectors because whoever is not there you know suffering these complex situations whoever is not living these situations as a result of the whole history classes this community and racist history and with all impacts of the pandemic cannot show realities and this is what we are waiting upon to build this truth from the territorial truth but showing it in a technical way so that the state can also see what are the results shown is not about controversy of the truth but working together let's have a look and let's work in line together with the organization that say what is the way that these implementation can take place within the territories with the peoples and organizations organizations suffering from this it is important to thank the people with us here telling that we will work with these partners for the implementation of peace agreement from the gender focus thank you very much thank you very much for these very important words from the territory special greetings to the ones who still with us from the international community from and with other ethnic organizations and the comments we invite you to use the hashtag and next we will sing the song the pain of our fair Boris sun with sorry by our friend and I'm really mad yeah good afternoon or days good day to you um thank you for this space for this invitation thank you for this special tissue that we are building I will sing the pain of our behalf for this and this is a song composed by the group of Bahia so with all my love and with all my feelings this is what it is are you listening the pain of my my very Boris I feel it the pain of my Boris I feel I imagine how would it be this happy routine how would be this agony type of life justice and harmony justice and harmony the pain of my fair Boris of ancestors I feel to cry to heal sorry to cry but to give to cry to heal to cry but to pardon the pain of the kids I feel the pain of these your society the lost lives the dream without the owner I asked myself it will respect the life how would it be it would be a harmony routine harmony and happiness the pain of the youngsters I feel to heal to fight and to forgive to fight to heal no more no one more not even one more thank you very much very beautiful song and important with a good message thank you next we move to our our majesties and generally from the big house people contributing as well special greetings fraternity greetings to our every effort has been important to each one of you not being in the scene but vital I want to remind you of a word from our black peoples I don't know will you know it but it has a sense Wuntu is the name of it and I believe that Wuntu of these meeting calling by Canada London many other places very far away places is the fruit of what has been thought by Wuntu I want to thank the huge spirit of the sisters that put together the flower standard everybody and the standard that there is a challenge left as I never said to remind us that Armando even if it's not or was not physically with us he was spiritually present and to each one sister Celia special greetings to all and we have a challenge in front of us and this network that we've dreamed for many days and nights this network of celebrities a company in us so we can just have this peace implementation especially for the ethnic chapter for you goodbye thank you majesties these words and again this international tissue has been from ethnic authorities indigenous authorities from all communication processes from organizations from only I compass is the end and ending people for peace thank you very much for these experiences from the territories and also to our own spiritual authorities guiding this spiritual path and to our own present authorities in these ratios and other authorities in the different territories this is a dialogue that I can translate it's not sparse thank you all the communication team and to our social networks seeing us and helping us this moment thank you special greetings and special thanks cultural thanks of brotherhood to all thank you thank you which is gracias that's all thanks cherry thanks rigoberto thank you joanna