 It's a wild side. It's a war outside and everybody actin like they don't see it. Video edition on YouTube, tapping with our YouTube right now. Like and subscribe, like and subscribe. I like and subscribe our YouTube channel for fresh new content. That's how YouTubers be like hit the like button. Well, there's a subscribe button. We need them to be bracketing that copy link and tweet it out. And you know, I'm trying to go platinum on YouTube. Is that what I got myself into today? Dang. I'm an addition. I would have changed my earring. I mean, this episode 100, this is a big one. People now, I mean, we've done two episodes with you. So now maybe for the folks who, you know, they can put a face to the name for the face who haven't, you know, seen us post your Instagram or, you know, don't follow your work. Now they can put a face. You also check it out. Real dope RJ practitioner, RJ consultant with a writer, teacher, Melissa Moran. How's everybody out there? What's up, YouTube? Sorry. So for this episode, we got a bunch of our favorite guests, our favorite guests like me and like me and Blake's. We don't know if it's y'all's favorite guests, you know, the listener or viewer, but we don't have them come on. We's going to chop game for a little bit. It's opportunity for us to, you know, continue to center community in our shit. And so yeah, especially what we said in the audio version of episode 100 is like this podcast is a, you know, as a result of community in a lot of ways, you know what I'm saying, in terms of how we even made it here. It's been community support now. So it's it's something right for episode 100. You feel me? We got community on this thing, our supporters and people who helped, you know, shape us into who we are today and how we grow. You know, we ain't I know individualism over here. You feel me? We are we are collective with your community. You feel me? And then that's how we really going to get free. So I'm I'm just for this show. All right, let's kick it off. We could tell you what we've enjoyed, you know, about working on Melissa and have you on the podcast. But what would have you enjoyed about working with us as you've been now a guest for the third time? Trifecta. I mean, I feel so special. You know, truthfully, this is this is the thing, right? Like the thing that I actually love about your podcast, just overall is just how scrappy it is. And I like scrappy all like, oh, it's just put together. We don't put no thought into it. It's like it's the exact opposite. It's like you put all all kind of thought into it. There's so much heart in it. And then also it's just like two dudes from the Black who are just hanging out, right? Who are just like having a conversation. That's so relatable, right? Like I like I thought I've shared this podcast now with with a couple of folks and, you know, like with my nephew and some other people. And that's always the first thing is like, oh, I learned so much. And it was just so relatable, you know, in this kind of world of the most mayonnaise based podcast like this American white all over the place, like all day long. And and y'all are just like, oh, hey, like we're just out here being people and also let's kick some real facts. And that's I mean, so it's like any time I come on, I'm just like, oh, yeah, all right, I'm just going to go hang out. We'll help after a little bit, you know, talk, chop game. Yeah, Bill, even. And it's yeah, I think, obviously, that's my favorite. My favorite part of just like being being on here is why I'm on here today. I really enjoy like. We learned so much from you. I learned a lot from the guests that come on to come on to this shit, but it's usually we talk about topics that I have, like some foundational understanding of, you know, like, I think the RJTJ she was the first time was like, I had no I thought I knew what I was talking about via the ways that I was introduced to it, you know, and then linking up with you. I'm like, oh, I don't know shit. And then I realized a lot of people don't know shit when they find RJTJ. I'm like, yeah, I'm like, a lot of people don't know what they're talking about. Yeah, nice. Reminds me, we had Khadija on for episode 99 that hasn't came out yet, but Khadija was talking about like why so important to go to like a primary source, you know, I'm saying because so many people, especially these days with social media and, you know, it's like, oh, yeah, this is that. And like you read it from a tweet and did in fact, check that tweet, you know, so you can have some whole RJ concept in your mind, but really it's not RJ and it's and some carceral shit or something like that, you know, but I'm definitely very appreciative of the work that we've been able to do together and how it's helped me and my own life, you know what I'm saying? And just how I view myself, how I view the people, how I view other people, you know what I'm saying? Like it's definitely something that is obviously like internally liberating, you know what I'm saying? So, yeah, I appreciate you shopping game and teaching us, you know, and learning with this. I mean, that's the other piece too, right? Like I'm working with y'all and then I am also learning. Like this is the whole point of any sort of radical process, right? And it's never static. It's never like, OK, well, here I am. It's that circle. They just keep going. Yeah. And the other part is you're one of the guests who whose episode has directly impacted our organizing or has like come to like also a bill with us off the pot, right? Like you came and did some workshops for people's programs. And now that's just one, I'm like, niggas have changed the way like you see so much more attention in our organization. The way that we talk to each other, the way that we engage in the community, like I feel like we've always moved from a principal place, centered the politic, centered, you know, pro-black, pro-Africa. But now it's like there's just a different level of intent of intention of like, you know, treating your people with love and care. And so that's something I've really been able to value too, is like we took that shit from these podcasts, episodes. It's like, all right, now I'm on it. We're going to take this and put it into the community too. Yeah. And that was I have to say that was some of the devious work I did this year, I feel like was with people's programs and not just the two of you, but like the whole organization, like the way that folks show up. And I mean, you're right, it's what we talk about in the podcast is what we talk about in the trainings. It's like everything is so based around like, whether or not you're going to really show up and the way that folks showed up and just stepped into the work. Like that work was heavy, right? Like my shoulders hurt for a day. And I was just facilitating some learning, but y'all were like really doing some heavy lifting. It was, and you could see it, you know, like you could just kind of like see that, see folks just really start to embrace learning. And it's again, I mean, to not like, I don't want anybody to come on here and just think I'm pandering to y'all, but like the piece that's so deep about your podcast is how actually like, like how, how much you are centering learning in an alternative way of educating folks, right? Like education doesn't have to happen inside of schools. It didn't have to happen inside of a classroom, but like, you know, in the way that y'all will be like, I don't know about this. So here's a guess that's going to talk about it, right? Like I was thinking about that like, fatness and pride episode. It's like, maybe I don't know too much about it, but now I'm going to have somebody on here and we're going to chop it up and we're going to talk about the ways in which I got to learn the ways in which we can all grow and stretch and, you know, that's the work. Yeah, definitely. Cause I feel like for me from episode one to episode 100, it's like, it's a constant process of always trying to decolonize my mind. And it's not like, oh, you reached this spot, you reached this height and now it's like, you're low. Cause like, nah, bro, like you got to always constantly decolonize, decolonize, decolonize. Cause, you know, as much as we're reading, it's like we being fed propaganda every single day when we go outside, when we go to a grocery store, when we get our coffee, you know what I'm saying? So I think that's one thing I really love about this for myself and my own personal transformation is like the constant like, all right, reflection and decolonizing like, what do I think I know? Like, ooh, do I really know that? Like, do I really know everything that I'm saying? Or like, am I just regurgitating something? Like having that critical self-reflection at all times, like, all right, I need to pick this up. You know what I'm saying? Like, I need, ooh, I need to brush up on these skills. Ooh, I need to go revisit the PowerPoint, you feel me, recheck it, you know what I'm saying? So I'm making sure I'm constantly aligned with the politics and the principles that it comes with. That's right. It's like in the training what we're talking about, like, truly there's nothing, there's no such thing as objectivity. There's just like subjectivity and context. So you're just constantly learning, reassessing, learning, growing. I love it. All right, Melissa Marin for the people, hella black episode 100. Appreciate you coming to fuck with us. All my love, all my gratitude. Good luck on your 100th episode. Appreciate it. All right, see y'all in the community. All right, peace. Peace. What's up, bro? I'm glad you can make it, man. You was having some difficulty finding that. The Zoom? Nah, nah, nigga. It wasn't me having difficulty finding it. Melissa. Yo, double OG, your OG status is showing, man. Nah, nah, nigga. Delicy did not send that shit. I didn't see it. Come on, man. That's all I'm gonna do. Hey. What's up, man, nigga, how you doing? Man, I'm good, brother. I'm good. I'm good, man. How y'all doing? Good, man. And good as can be, you know. Signing out. Episode 100, you feel me? So hit a little milestone. That's a hell of a milestone, man. Shit. I remember when y'all first started, man. You all spoke to it in one of your previous episodes, but it was like the idea that's like, man, usually we just gonna crank these shits out. And then, you know what I'm saying? Like me watching the growth in how y'all approach this space and to maneuver in it and to continue to evolve in your process and the ways in which you approach it speaks volumes about your dedication to other spaces. You know what I'm saying? Like as you've grown as podcasters, you've also, the organization that you guys are chairing has grown as well and the ways in which y'all tap into the community has grown. So it's like, it's all growing in unison. So I think it's some built-back shit. So this 100th episode is not just important and monumental in the sense of the number, but also as a reminder of y'all growth, you know what I'm saying? Just as comrades, as friends, as mediators of media, as people tapping into the field and making sure that all these people are in conversation with each other. So man, it's some built shit. Hell yeah. I don't know if you was left on the surprise episode. I can't remember. Well, we basically did, but they did like a surprise for us like a year ago. I think it was on, was you on it? The surprise episode? No, y'all didn't surprise me with that. No. We was the one surprised. So. I bring that up to say like it was people, you know, saying what the podcast meant to them. And I had to listen to that shit earlier this week and I had to turn it off because I didn't even started crying. And so for you to say that, I feel the same way like I need to, you know, keep this composer right now. We on camera and shit. I might cry in the shower when it's over. Yeah, bro. Now I was really thinking of it too. Like, like, bro, I was a really old student. You feel me? Like, young Blake at Cal that was just kind of hyping and you feel me? Didn't give a fuck with Newton just talking shit. And then now I'm thinking about like my own transformation over those ways. It's almost been six years, seven years. Young Blake, young, young rugby high type thing, Blake. Here. Young rugby high type thing, Blake. Now, people don't know that. That shit, like, you see that transformation and to see that you are both of y'all, y'all are continuing on this transformation. And and I would encourage you to let me see. There's this song in my one of my favorite. So today is Marvin Gaye's birthday. One of my favorite songs is from one of these albums he has. It's called Bonerability. And the album is just hella tender. And one of the songs he has, that's one of my favorite songs personally is he talks about she needs me. But within the record, he's talking about how much he needs his his person too. Like that's the give and take is like. But the reason I say that is that one of the most powerful tools that I've developed in my life coming up out of Richmond, like during a very grimy era is the ability to be vulnerable. Like the ability to cry, the ability to be sensitive and not have my sensitivity articulated to me in a way that is to use the buzzword of the last five years that is toxic to my existence. It's helped me. You know what I'm saying? Like that I remember being that nigga that's like, nigga, I don't cry about shit. I mean, I could take a train to hit me type. You know what I'm saying? And I felt as if I didn't have the right to cry or to feel and to feel as human. And at some point, not saying this is what you're doing in there, but it's like, man, I've busted out crying in lectures because I've really met with the fuck I was teaching on and talking about, I've done that shit in conversation because it's like, no, this shit is so real to me that I can't. And if I conceal this pain, you won't really get how I fucking feel. And in some ways I'm robbing the person that I'm trying to convey a message to you of how serious it is to me. And so, man, if this hunch that the soul that y'all are reflecting on brings you to that point, where'd that shit go? Because this is, it deserves that amount of fucking vulnerability, care and recognition. Like this is a monumental thing y'all did. You know what I'm saying? And Blake, I'm looking at you as my student, my former student, my comrade, my partner. And your growth is one of the dopest things in my catalogs of things that I've been involved in. Like, I think it's always one of the things I honor is that my grandmother is able to brag on me like that's my grandbaby. And my OGs is able to say, hey man, I did them a service because they can say I invested into him and look what the fuck I produced out of him. I'm a part of that. Everything y'all do, and I tell y'all this shit on the camera and off the camera, you know it. Man, every time y'all do what y'all do, I'm always rock with y'all, front facing the camera and behind the scenes, regardless. And every time y'all grow, man, that shit make me feel good because I know I'm a part of the soil that the seed was planted in. And seeing y'all helping houseless communities, like, you know, man, my parents were houseless, man. You know what I'm saying? Like, and the seed that y'all came up and did something bigger than what I was doing, there is a zero amount of envy. That's one of the problems with a lot of people that egos get involved in it. Their envy doesn't allow them to acknowledge when other people are doing great things instead of being a part of it. Instead of being like, man, I'm so glad they did that dope shit because I wasn't able to do it. And now I can just support the fuck out of it. So, man, own that shit, man, this is the episode, man, I'm honored to be on it and I'm honored to watch y'all grow. Yeah, I appreciate you because I think both of us reduce it sometimes to like, not just the number of episodes, but I think we reduce the podcast sometimes and not really aligning with all the other shit we got going. I think other people reduce it too. It's like, I don't think niggas gotta realize how much studying we gotta do to say some of this shit we gotta say. I don't think niggas know how much of a burden it is to have something instilled in you that if you learn something, you must act upon it. You know what I'm saying? Like, nigga, that shit is hard ass work too, but oh, well now I know what I'm supposed to do. I gotta go out here and deal with this shit. You know what I'm saying? I gotta go out here. And it is, it's literally, as we groaning here, you've watched other programs launch. Like niggas read, we are our own liberators and like, oh no, we need to be supporting this political prisonership period. You feel me? And like, now how do we do that? Niggas read, are we reading, you know, Asada Shakur, Revolutionary Suicide, George Jackson and we like, oh nigga, we need to have a clinic. For me, it gets reading about food autonomy or we need to have a garden. You know what I'm saying? Like, there have been programs that have been birthed as a direct result of our political education. And this podcast has been a vessel of our political education. And just even seeing the way the program has grown, you feel me? Like we're doing recording 100 episodes today and we just dropped our new logo and our explanation for our new logo. And again, that's showing like the political growth of our organization. Cause as the pod has grown, our organizing has grown too. Which I'm super proud of, you know what I'm saying? Cause like the very foundation of the podcast was like, we in West Oakland at this old shipment container, like bro, we talking all this shit, like we got to do something, bro. Like we got to be outside, you know what I'm saying? We got to really be in a community, you know, having that, seeing those, how student organizing is often times, you know, just elitist and like, bro, we got to, we got to be outside really, what it really is, you know what I mean? So it's, yeah, I appreciate you, bro. And all the love and the mentorship, you know, you've given me over the years, bro. That should mean a lot, bro. It should mean a lot to me. Like I don't even know if I would have got through Cal, bro, like on some real shit, on some real shit, bro. But you know what? And it's funny, I was talking about it last night. I wouldn't have a doctor if it wasn't for Professor Allen. You know what I mean? I wouldn't, I wouldn't, if it weren't for OGs, like Professor Fry, Hardy Fry. Like Hardy Fry was the one who was like, from what I understand, he was one of the people that was like, hey man, this dude is a true organic intellectual and he has to be in this program. If we really talking this shit, this theory versus practices and organic intellectualism and all these things that we're talking about, there's no way that a mirror couldn't be a part of this program. And so when I saw people like, like that, the OGs, put that voucher on me, man, it wasn't no way I was gonna fucking fail. Cause I had some, some, some OGs to honor that they put their neck on the line for me, man. And like, again, man, watching y'all growth, watching like your fight to get, for people to recognize and acknowledge your uncle and his, his, his time as a prisoner of war and to see him out and see your pictures and see you, y'all too, we're two of the major vessels that use y'all platforms to make sure that his name was ringing in, in the streets and he's free. Man, seeing that shit happen in the conversations we would have behind the scenes, but that, that, that's real shit. That's not paycheck shit. That's not big check shit. That's not product endorsement shit. That's real shit. Like if you, and we've talked about this before, if you have a organization or a movement that is rooted in the supposed liberation of black folks, but you ain't got no energy for the political prisoners, the black prisoners of war who were fighting this, this war of anti-blackness waged by the US government against black folks in the communities, your shit is for show, this puffery. That shit is to get, to get on, to leverage, to turn into something that has the aesthetic of revolution but has the undercurrents of capitalism and in studying all the people that we supposedly love. Man, a lot of them died without having a lot. They really were making sacrifices, a sacrifice that was not coupled with coming up or getting the bag. Like getting the bag wasn't in Malcolm X's mind, like I gotta get the bag. That doesn't mean you can't earn money to help fund your movement and keep things going, but there's a difference between that and what some of these other folks are doing. They're all getting called to the carpet now. And what I appreciated about what y'all have done is always been true to the essence of grassroots, building, organizing, tapping in, being in the field and actually doing the work because the work has to be done. So when I said like that, not that long ago, help the people that help the people. I'm talking about motherfuckers like y'all because you are actually out there helping the people. You're giving them the same food you would eat. That's real love. And if you can't have love at the fucking root of your black literary resistance, then it's not real. Like real love means you want them to have what you have. And I'm honored that that has been a part of the ways in which y'all moved. And I'm out here to give out flowers for this 100 episode because y'all don't do it for y'all sales sometimes. And I know how that is. And usually folks in y'all position get fucked over by people because you really care about the people but the people gotta care about y'all. I mean, I love y'all. And I hope that people understand that a way in which y'all show that y'all love y'all sales is by showing love to the people. Love you too, fam. Appreciate it. Love you, bro. Appreciate you. For real. So my niggas. You got the neighbor program. Ripping hard in the background coming through, you feel me? Hey, hey, I learned it from Jalil. I was in class and he had his thing right here. He had the phone on back here. Why didn't he turn it up? You got them fresh braids too? You know what I'm saying? I went to my little cousin. You know what I'm saying? Bro, I want braids so bad. Hey, for me, it's really like this evolution back to myself, bro. I want braids. This nigga said I want them so bad. So badly. You niggas cannot imagine how bad I want braids. Are you being serious, Ernie? Niggas, I'm not playing. Grow your hair out, nigga. Bro, that shit takes so long. Bro, y'all hear it, bro. You can get braids. That's how I feel about getting a grill. Like I wanted it for so long and I'll just be like, I still just don't get it, bruh. Bruh, nah. For one, y'all are both. I don't know if you multiracial, Jordan. You all right? Yeah. I'm 1,000% African. Pure African, nigga. I've heard this before. Pure African, nigga. Pure. Which means your hair actually gonna braid better, bruh. It's gonna braid better, but it's not. Facts. I don't want to grow. Hey, nah, no lie, I'll be lying though because my great-great-grandmother has some white and native in her. But so I got a little bit of something in me. But it came in my hair, nigga. I think it's like I got that faux-c. Oh, God, man, straight core. Straight course. Bruh, you should braid it, bruh. Win. I'm gonna let it grow, bro. I'm gonna try my hardest. I'm gonna try my hardest. Twist it and let it grow, you know what I'm saying? From there. I had to twist that Idaho. You did. You did. I had to do it with your cell phones. You did have those. I had to do it with your cell phones. Those was rough for me. Yo, pop still growing dreads? Yeah, it's shit long. Me and my dad don't have the same gray to hair though. Because I think it's that generation, you know what I'm saying? Like he was a generation closer to my great-grandmother. So it's, yeah. One thing I'm not gonna do is go bald though. So it's to give it a take. Okay, it takes a long time for my hair to grow. But my dad's hairline is still fully intact. And he has a full head of hair. But I'm glad we got you. Nigga growing dreads at 50. Like just start growing. His shit looked like 18-type shit. Like shit just growing. Wow. But besides the point of the ones you want to embrace, bro, how you doing today, man? I'm good. I'm happy to be with y'all, bro. I'm happy to be here. You know what I'm saying? It's always good to be in that space with y'all, man. Y'all my niggas, and that's it. Yeah, you, of all the guests that we have on today, you're the only guest that hasn't actually been on the pie yet. But we're gonna make that happen for sure. Yeah, you was low key on it though, in the, what, the live episode, right? Yeah, we recorded that. I think that was posted. Yeah, but I'm saying like being like, we ain't sitting down like broke bread. Yeah. And like gave a chance to, you know, give a full background on you. And, but that's going to happen. For the second episode, we could keep it, you know, fairly short. So my nigga, Jordan, organized now in SAC neighbor program, a big supporter of Hella Blackpot, one of my longest standing friends. I met my nigga in my freshman year of college, which was like nine years ago, maybe. Damn, 10. Yeah. It was 2010, right? 2010. Yeah, like 10, 10 years ago. My nigga doing some really good work out in SAC though. Appreciate you, bro. I'm glad you own, bro. Like we was just talking to left before you got on. And I'm, you know, we was telling him how y'all need to meet. And that y'all are two niggas that we know that take theory and put it into practice. And so, yeah, bro, we got a lot of respect for you. I'm glad to have you on. Tell the people about a neighbor program and what y'all do. Yeah, so, you know, we just trying to, we trying to carry on in the spirit of our ancestors, of our revolutionaries, you know what I'm saying? The people that we claim that we say our ancestors, right? Like niggas love to say this is where we come from or this is where we are building on, but really got to take that in and really apply that. Like you said, it was really y'all, you know what I'm saying? Like, I always credit y'all for, like, winning my game, right? Like, I, you know, I grew up around the politic, you know, with my family, you know, similar to y'all. And, you know, that's how we clicked and linked that right away, rolling. But, you know, just, you get, you get in your little flows of life. You feel me in trying to be caught up as a coach, as a ball player and in a coach. You feel me? I was trying to, I was trying to be on my hustle and, you know, again, like, supported y'all and was, like, wanted to tap in, but never just dove in, you know, never just said, I'm jump off the deep end. But, like, watching what y'all did in the pandemic, bro, was just like, it was too, it was too inspiring. It was, you know, you know, I'm a hustle fan. You know, it was, you was running too many laps on me, bro, and that's what it was. You just, and I was like, and again, I've always taken a deep love for you as my little bro. You know what I'm saying? And I know B would, like, said that he was like, little bro, roll it, like, you know, that's the relationship that you and me have. And so watching you, bro, is like, my nigga running, my nigga running laps on me, like, let me, and now, you know, and as your big bro, I should never let that happen, right? And going back to what I was always trying to teach you on the field, like, like, this is how we got to do it. This is how you're supposed to do it. And you showing me, and I'm like, ah, yeah, let me, let me, let me, let me get back in, let me rock. And again, in that process, I'm able to find out even more about my family, more about even like my wife's family, just how it's all connected, right? And it humbles you and it reminds you of who we are indigenously, like, you know what I'm saying? From this decolonized system who, like this work that I'm, that I'm doing, that you're doing, that we're all doing. This is carrying on from our ancestors. This is carrying on from the elders. You know what I'm saying? You know, Blake is blessed to have family in Julia, and we're all able to now meet him and have him as a mentor and an elder that guides us, right? And that shit is beautiful. And that, again, goes back to the continent and how we all grow like that. And so Neighbor Program just tries to get us back to that shit. And again, it's, it's observation and participation, just trying to run laps like you niggas straight up. I mean, that's what you're saying. Like niggas really, that's our root, bro. Like our real root. It's the African way. That's what we're doing. You feel me? It's getting back, you know, to 500 years ago. You know what I'm saying? Not to put it in no utopian sense, it was still problems, you know what I'm saying? But like we came back to our true selves, community, intercommunal, you know, taking care of each other. You feel me? That's the process of decolonization. You know, but definitely one thing I admire you. I know you've always been a big supporter of Hella Black, but you's like, bro, I got to do this shit. You feel me? Like you listening, you listen. Yeah, I got to do this shit. You know, you took that theory into action, you know, and that's one thing I'm proud of from the show is like, well, whenever I hear someone say, hey, we learned this. And then we took that shit into action and made shit happen and we fed people. We got a program going, you know what I'm saying? And then we've been able to link with our different programs and y'all been able to come out to Oakland and shit. That shit, man, that shit deep. That shit should not be taken lightly, in my opinion. Like that shit, some real like political ties, bro. We talking about nation. Yeah, we talking like. We exchanging resources. You feel me? We had cheese for niggas. Y'all like, oh, we got a resource for y'all. Like, you know, we can help y'all kick off y'all, y'all little newsletter. You feel me? Like we can, that's what niggas, if we, we love. That's how niggas need to be operating. We love bringing up in Krumah. You know what I mean? Like them niggas was, was out there building across the continent. Like, all right, these, these fucking Europeans are gonna take away our resources. Nigga, y'all got rice. What's shit? My nigga, we got cotton. You feel me? This is what we doing over here. Y'all niggas got some money to help. You feel me? Fund our meals. Nigga, we gonna repair y'all by helping y'all. We gonna give y'all a spot in our newsletter. We gonna help y'all get y'all propaganda out to the people. Like, bro, that's, that's. And our communalism and action. Come on. Exactly. And I was gonna say right now, like, um, I don't know what it is. I kind of fell off like, it was like a three week period. You know, I just had the baby and shit. I think you had a kid. Bro, you fell off, bro. You just had another child, bro. So, so I fell off reading like, like I would be trying to read. It was a book on my phone. Like, I just started falling asleep. And I'm like, ah, bro, I can't be cat like this. So I was like, let me go on this audio book. So I jumped on, um, how Europe underdeveloped Africa. Yeah. Right. And I'm like, and like you said, like it's all going back to this communalism. Right. And, you know, I'm a huge to write fan. I'm a huge fan. I'm a huge fan. I'm a huge fan. I'm a huge fan. And I'm like, he always talks about communalism and like how it was disrupted. Right. And so like you said, bro, it's this idea that we're all, we're all together connected as this colonized group. Right. And we have to, to fight this shit. Um, together. And. But it's all about. Again, people coming together. And I think. That's the thing. Like everyone always is like, oh, y'all have a mad. You know, you're this or that you're cynical, but it's really out of this love. Like we believe in loving people. Right. Like I should actually change the world. That's what we really believe in. Yeah. That's laugh was literally just talking about that. She got to be rooted in love. The end of the day, man, you can't spell revolution without love. Can't spell revolutionaries without areas. You know what I'm saying? But you know. But yeah, like, you know, my situation right here, because your race says, you have to build an undying love for the people. You know, saying so. Yeah, cause that's going to get you through all the hardship. You feel me? Like if you have, if your principal, your politic, and you put that shit in command. And your love is for the people. You are going to do. What it takes for liberation that means the hard conversations. The restorative conversations. That means the long nights. You feel me? That means working when you don't really want to work no more. like nah bro you gotta have an undying love and commitment to your people for liberation if we find against one of the most powerful empires that humanity has ever known are united force gotta be love bro because they got all the weapons they got all the drones they got all the ships you feel me like they got all the tracking devices bro so but our love and our unity is more powerful than any imperialist weapon i i truly believe it truly believe it and i think and i know and i think that's for me um i know everybody beyond their own different religious and spiritual kick but for me like as a christian like that's how i'm able to root myself like if i'm supposed to say i believe in jesus this nigga served the people and love the people so much he you know he gave himself like in my belief like nigga who am i to not try to follow in that footsteps if that's what i say i believe in right so if i say i can say if i say i believe in the panthers i gotta do exactly what they was doing i can't be out here faking the funk you know i'm saying bsing i can't just be saying this shit i mean a lot of niggas be believing as far as as far as the the belief would take them to luxury sound bite right there that's what i believe the belief ends with the luxury ends like all right i believe i got this panel i gotta bust back wait the guys say i was ready to get my life up for this i believe in the panthers too i gotta go hand out that meal every day i don't believe in them that much niggas believe on the panthers on october 31st when they can dress up and put that beret on or when it's time for a follow-up and paid actors actors and actresses and you know and it's so sick and i think that's the that's damn you're the sickest shit right like is that we would we would not ask but you for me just our people would ever want to be a part of this system that kills us like this you know it's like damn right you you don't love niggas you don't look out there and see your cousin your uncle your brother your daddy you and that's what that's what we trying to get on this motherfucker is get back to building community and get back to getting back to my fuckers really understand what it means to love to live in love with people a lot of people man and like you said it makes you be able to run those marathons right makes you be able to get up when you don't want to because because you know you got to be you got to be better today than you was yesterday because the people need you more today no i've been i've been stealing that quote from you that harry could tell that harry had told me in capacity i've been using that thing like capacity is black left twitter's favorite buzzword these days bruh capacity golly gee i'm at capacity i'm gonna stop talking what's probably thinking too though bro like like you said i just had a baby and i'd be and i'd be thinking like damn rock i lost and you're like you just had a baby like i should be doing some more that's the thing right like we always want to feel good about ourself right that especially in this society right capitalism like they need to feel good about yourself because of what you did feel accomplished but if you like really like you said like look at us like it's never enough for the people well so i think if we start and but again that gets us away from our individual stuff and us looking at the collective like how how is everyone doing everyone's not free yet so we we haven't done enough especially people who like i find a lot of folks who is like rooted in like some like revolutionary should be always talking about collective self-care you know especially like if you like if you want to cop out bro what's that gonna do to other people in your collective for your organization you know i'm saying that's putting more work on some other people but like when i've seen like self-care talked about as like a collective process that reshapes that narrative that individualistic oftentimes capitalistic viewpoint like i'm at capacity what is that what does that really mean but it comes back to like what did you say that you believe in what did you say you you can you're contributing to right like for us right we just posted our new logo we have made the stance that we are contributing to the new african independence movement when you take on a stance like that there are requirements there are contributions that need to be made there are dedications that you need to live by and so if we all have agreed to this at some point we need to acknowledge what we agreed to accept what we agreed to and step up to that or just don't make certain declarations they get responsibly don't come with declarations just don't make declarations if you make a declaration you better follow through on that motherfucker oh god who are you what do you stand on appreciate you pulling up on this bro we're gonna have you all within the next 10 episodes we got to have you on this motherfucker before before we're gonna come in we're gonna we're gonna talk real shit yeah good whenever just let me know you know it's always good love y'all so that way you too bro you're dropping on with this peace out to the people bruh what do my boys is that my messy in a tessie what the fuck i just did a podcast episode in the tesla oh man like a life a little different how you doing i can't complain bro i ain't got a lot of life a little heavy right now when i'm dugging it out that a lot of shit going on it's good with y'all same height dug in trying to make it through trying to maintain appreciate you hopping on with this like i already know niggas got a lot going on i appreciate you making the time for us though appreciate you bro from episode one to episode 100 though you feel me like we had to go back to our rules bro come on like man that's your real special bro like that's big bro i'm proud of y'all y'all in a nice looking room and shit i remember we used to do it at the lab looking crazy it's all right man that's great y'all think it came a long way bruh it's wild yeah we got these bright lights up and shit it's professional 4k cameras you know what i'm saying shit wild shit wild Blake so in the hill and he don't even wear headphones on where he real with nah i should hide behind my hair it'd be wild bro because we um your name come up a lot on the podcast when we be reflected and talking about our supporters and shit and so i'm glad we was able to bring you on for this episode bro like we just had we just had one of the og's on and he was telling us how important it is to like not downplay shit um and you know he wanted to give us our flowers and we definitely want to do the same for you bruh like i don't think you know how important it is to actually like brick and mortar is a very important thing we talk about space you actually provided us space for the first time bro um you fucking sponsored or one of the sponsors for our for our live show at the new pairs you feel me so like in addition to to giving space for us you actually like put money into us as well not just into our podcast which is our political education a platform but also into our organization bro you this next crop of fucking this next batch of crop that we got coming out the garden you know you donated that um the sign that we have you donated that shit you was there for that you know i'm saying like bro even coming up with a name how about black why you helped us come up with that shit like all that shit you know so it's dope it's great to hear y'all tell me i was a part of that but no it's big to me because like i don't have the the bandwidth or the wherewithal of being a field like y'all and to see y'all doing it coming from the same place we come from niggas grew up together not a shit to see y'all really be out there like doing the shit that niggas talk about doing to me it's only right since i can't be out there that i find ways to support being out there you know if i can't physically be there if i if it's me giving some money or sending people or doing whatever i can bro you know i'm always here to support and that's what i'll be telling people because they try to make excuses about why they can't be this and that it's plenty of ways to help you know i'm saying you just gotta figure out how to help because it's always you know like that's what i respect about y'all is that y'all are really out there and i tell people it's not even just like y'all there are small groups everywhere that are doing the work like people don't actually have to be in the street whether it be for covid reasons or if you can't get out there for sure do that but there are people who are doing the real work and you need to find a way to support those people and help those people and harness that energy because that's what it's about and you look at us bro like the three of us we all have family in the characters are we on our family could have been crossing paths and we not even know i mean we've already talked about our family connection you know i'm saying and me and roge family right down the street from each other like we don't know you know i'm sorry this is really an example of like multiple generations coming together and keeping this year forward you know keeping keeping moving this year forward and that's a while bro like to really think about that we all have family in the panthers and we continue in this tradition in our own different ways you know i'm saying like that's it you know i'm sure they could have never imagined like what that would look like for the next generation or the next generations after that you know that's like the spirit of the panthers lives on you know i'm saying that's that's a deep yeah man i feel like that's a big part of the programs and teaching the kids and teaching the youth what they was doing because they knew it's generational like each one teach one and it just you never know who you're going to teach and how far down the lineage that's going to go so yeah man that's big yeah bro we just wanted to thank you you know from episode one to a hundred you know and hopefully we got a hundred more and thank you for your continued support you know you're coming to be a guest on the podcast you giving us space it is amazing but you've um we supported us and having a material impact on the people you know via your donations via boosting our shit using you know retweeting our shit posting our shit on your on your instagrams or whatever other platform so you know i love you bro i'm super grateful uh thank you for always supporting us it's good bro let y'all too man it's it's uh you know it's always love brother all right man you have a good one all right man y'all be smooth yeah i appreciate you bro all right we just keep it going yeah you know so episode 100 live from hell it's hot as fuck in this room it's a hot box people told me oh it never gets down so it's never gets hot in the bay i don't give a fuck it was 85 degree yesterday we don't have no air conditioning in our houses unless you live in anniyoc, Pittsburgh, Vallejo, Concord, Stockton, wherever else the fuck i live in Oakland and it's hot as fuck and i don't have no air conditioning in my house you're also wearing a sweatshirt yeah because i mean like it's a video i don't got no decent t-shirt oh fuck with you and uh episode 100 we came with that heat and we in a hot ass room for y'all but you know that's what happens when you got a undying love for the people but but nice we wanted to you know do this episode and just and bring on some core supporters uh some of our favorite guests that we've had on and just people who just helped us grow as human beings you know i'm saying so i think you know it was just to do that you know and to bring it on and have this full circle moment uh for episode 100 like it should be and it's important that we celebrate ourselves and we don't typically do that you know i'm saying and i think we're both very like humble people and don't really talk about all the successes and shit and just even the trying all the tribulations we had just to even get to episode 100 like it's a lot of shit it's not been through yeah it's also hard to look at this as an accomplishment when you know the purpose behind it yeah like especially when you do is this is such a uh like i mean i don't know what my words because i think of like we have multiple um multiple intentions with the podcast right to build community but i think the number one is always like educate and to raise consciousness which will in turn you know help unite people help people you know when i love each other love love themselves love the people and serve the people organize the people so when you when you're moving from a place like the goal is to educate it's like you never really this is what you're supposed to do as a teacher i don't think you ever really feel like uh finished with your work or feel like you know you often downplay i guess but yeah there's always more work to do this that's part of fucking oppression i think but i think in the midst of that it is important to recognize like damn bro we just did a hundred things bro hundred episodes bro we built something that you gotta think about how many shows have have have surfaced over the last of over our 100 episodes you think about how many organizations have started and ended over the last four years with the starting of people's programs you know i'm saying um and we we building things that that sustain that that you can point to qualitative and quantitative impact which is something that we strive for you know and that the basis of our work and i'm also grateful for the folks that you know that couldn't every guest that we've had that wasn't on those suck of shit in the past eight months i'm grateful we had a lot of guests that came on here who i no longer respect but you know i'm gonna keep the band fuck y'all niggas for the ones that i do respect you know that i still respect and who have been um who have shown through through uh practice that they that they do stand on the politics that we came on this space that we politics principles of revolution that we created and that we thought they stood forward to why we opened this platform to them you know to the people who did follow through on that and did turn out to be principal solid individuals appreciate y'all appreciate y'all you couldn't get on the podcast shout out my nigga q uh shout out they shine shout out uh tasia shout out um san kofa san kofa yeah who else can we get on the pop that i think it's out of all my folks on people's programs ty yemi aiana kelly raven a b am i missing somebody shout out uh everybody everybody that has supported us yeah straight up shout out my nigga jim do we say julio no yeah that's a given julio that's a given home welcome home getting straight to it again we've got a million more and i hope to have those people back on the podcast i hope for us to have more youth on the podcast so we can start getting this up this fucking cross-generational shit going on um and yeah i'm just grateful for the next 100 episodes again i want us to keep building on the politics i hope that more programs are launched in sustain as a result of the readings that we're doing keep growing keep transforming and keep centering the knees but that's all we can do you know i'm saying to keep wanting to commit to that we do that should we gonna be fine thousand percent you know i'm saying and i encourage you know folks to grow too grow with us learn with us build with us you know i'm saying like this shit can be done this work can be done the things we do in our people's programs all that things all those things can be done if you committed have a goal have politics and have principles and always put in the politic and command put in liberation as the primary vessel for your goals shit can be done and don't gotta take a lot of y'all you feel me you started off me and doingsie it's family you feel me like so it started get into the field if you can if you can get in the field support where you can support where you can if you're not in the field but all you do is talk about shit that happens on in the field you should probably you know take a step back stop taking up all that space and then start doing something and you know some reflecting inside yourself to realize why aren't you getting outside if you have all the capacity to do so um and start doing some revisiting around capacity what capacity mean because nigga we all tired but that's why it's called struggle because it's hard and the struggle continues and i cannot stress this enough fuck the police fuck all fascists fuck the ops nigga fuck neoliberals fuck all you informants fuck all you chaos agents fuck you colonizers nigga fuck the non-profit sector fuck joe biden nigga fuck every president fuck obama nigga free palestine fuck african nigga free the land free the people free them all uh we are own liberators y'all know that's just a little bit that's what it is a it ain't on me it's in me but it's on me take that however you want to take it people's programs we fund raising for a mobile clinic right now tapping with that shit i gotta say shout out to my nigga uh mark is my nigga juice man just you know 15 thousand dollar donation to our shit shout out all black shout out offset gym shout out um i'ma shout out shout out jack lean shout out jack lean we could we could shout out to non-africans now shout out gazi shout out nima folks at empire for always supporting our shit um justice will be served i'm gonna leave it whether you want it or not patreon.com so show back pot episode