 Fuck off. Shit. Man, deal! Where you going? He going to War for Live, bro? Going to War. Get out of here. I'm not going to let you smash them, bro. I'm not going to let you. Sorry, bro. Love you, Tyler. Yo, no, no. Yo, no, it's the Inns, bro. The Inns, bro. You going to have to meet Uncle Halby, man? They drier than Carly's knees. Oh! Facts, facts, facts, facts. Let me start it with that bonafide scrub. Ooh, the great goat Libra. Go what? All right, so let me see. Let me make sure we got everything set up. Gee, you got all that you got everything you need, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we got everything set up. Baker Matille's about to sign for $100 million in Tampa Bay. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yes, sir, it's not all big. Yo, what's good about it? Because they didn't pay him Dangle Jones money, and that's a good thing, so. Let me let me get the team. Baker Mayfield. Uh, shout out to New England for being asked. He's better than Dangle Jones. The Dangle Jones got 40 amps. Dangle Jones got 40 amps. What you drinking on, Moe? What's going on now? Are we excited for the Jaguars new quarterback, Matt Jones? Matt Jones, take a T-Law spot, take a T-Law spot. Listen, I think Matt could still have a future. I still believe in Matt Jones. He on the bench now, boy. He's going to Jacksonville to rehabilitate his reputation, because if there's anybody who can do good with backup quarterbacks, it's Doug Peterson. You want a Super Bowl one? All right, so today, guys, we are doing the Ultimate Wrestling Debate number two. We should do these on the PCT. And we brought them over here to the channel. They said you look like Faddle. That's crazy. My chat is, they're kind of wild, man. I'm sorry about that. No, we welcome everything. We welcome it all, man. Is there any way to change my name so that I don't troll? I have to. I'm going to actually put my name. I'm going to actually put my name. Yo, you don't want that hate on there? No, that's what it was. No, you don't want the hate on there now, bro. You got to keep it on there now, bro. People have to know my name. People have to know my name. It's a new audience. Crazy, bro. His name might be it. Don't disrespect me like that. What the fuck is wrong with you? It rocks the gulp for today. Hope you're having a good night. We are doing alternate wrestling debate, too. We've done this on the PC channel. We've done one on the channel so far. We usually do about one every month. So to break it down, I'm going to let G break down the rules and the topics that he has put up with. And then we have the teams of myself, Ross and Moe going up against Nate, Louis and Jade. So I don't know how G's going to structure his side of it because he can make the rules differently on his end. But I'm going to let G explain everything on his end, and how this works. And then he'll explain the topics that we were going to discuss. And we don't know. We have no idea what we're discussing the other way. Well, so basically, if you guys have seen us do it before, it's basically the same type of structure. However, there's a little bit of a twist with the questions and kind of the setup. So usually it's kind of like we give you either or questions. Well, we have about three open endings. So basically like, for example, one of the questions are going to be the worst WrestleMania the past 15 years, excluding 36 because that was the first COVID one. That's the only one we're not doing. Yeah, like, you know what I mean? But so that's basically from WrestleMania 24 to WrestleMania 39. Which everyone you pick, you got to make that argument. You got to mean something. So basically there's a couple of open endings, but I did put in some either ors as well. Each team, so I'll probably, I'll flip a coin here. Each team will have about five minutes. I'll be timing it to kind of make their sides. One team will go. The other team will stay quiet. And the next team will go. And vice versa, the other team will go. And then after that, there will be kind of like a rubber buttle apart for another five minutes. And then after that, I'll kind of, you know, make my argument. So before it's how you argue the point. So those of you first watching, I'm not looking at, you know, what I agree with or not, what I should happen or not. And I think most of the questions that I tried to put, that I put on here were pretty 50-50, like I don't really have a dog in either of the fight. So I really care about how you argue it. I'm looking real big on the counter points. If you can, you know, shut down a point or so on so forth. So that's what I'm kind of looking for in this debate. So the five questions we have, the first one is if you could redo a superstars push or turn them into a main eventer, which one would you choose? Kofi Kingston or Dolph Ziggler? First one. Oh, fuck me. The one I said earlier, the World's WrestleMania the past 15 years, including 36. The third question, if Becky Lynch doesn't win a WrestleMania, who would you book to be the one to draw a real Ripley? The fourth one. Worst booking decision. Goldberg squashing the Fiend or Brock hitting six F5s to beat Roman Reigns. That's easy. And then the last one, if you could take one person from AEW and put them in WWE, who would it be and what? That is definitely the that is definitely the game plan. I got this. We got it. Who would you team up on again? It's me and it's me and do you need to put me at the bottom? Yeah, I could put you at the bottom. So, so Ross, it's you, Mo and Malik on the same team. All right, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool. We got this, man. Don't take me away from my abuse, bro. There we go. There we go. We got this. We got this, man. It's the team. It's the team. We got this. Hey, so, Ross, our guest, I will give you the heads or tails you get to call. I'm going to go tails. Let's flip it. No brush. For confirmation, this says heads. So, Nate, Lewis and Jay, you guys get to pick whether or not you want to go first or second and you pick what question you want. Oh, we get to choose this one. Shit. Okay. I'm going to make an IG chat with you in case we have to discuss. So, to re-say the questions again, if you could redo a superstars push and turn them into a main arena which would be off where's the rest of the past 15 years excluding third stage? I'm going to put you on IG. Many Wallin' out here, man. Yeah, many Wallin'. Oh, my goodness. It's Sunday. If Becky Lynch doesn't want to wrestle more, who would you guys pick to throw real ripply? This is Wendy's, bro. I sent you all a group chat on IG so in case we have to discuss what topics we want to discuss. Worst booking decision, Goldberg's question of freedom and who would you pick? Okay. Chat. Feel free to chime in and give us your opinions like the video while you're watching. Yes, sir. What's it called? G, can you send the questions to the chat? Oh, yeah. Also, too, I just want to say I know we've talked about me finally coming around to Logan Paul. I'm here on the first time ever because I thought it was only an energy drink and I don't like energy drinks. Then I found out there was juice drinks so I got one. Give Logan Paul the world title. I'm a fan. Damn. I'm a fan. That's crazy, bro. I'm not gonna lie. I don't think it clears Gatorade like y'all were trying to say in the chat but it's definitely up there. I ain't gonna lie to you, Gatorade back in the day used to be the shit, but now I find myself getting powerade more than Gatorade, bro. Yeah, powerade is cheaper and we're in an inflation period, honestly. No, I feel like when they were closer. I ain't had a powerade, bro. I don't even know how long, bro. Bro, Gatorade like three cents extra, bro. No, no, no, no. It's like 40 cents extra now, bro. That's not, that's not. It's like 40, 50. Nate and Jade, how y'all feel about that? Yeah. It's like a dream. It's still, it's still a year, but I guess if we're starting, if we're starting, if we want to get off the start, that's probably the best one to do. Body armor? I don't know. Body armor. You guys doing, you guys doing the dog ciggler up? No, we're gonna, we're gonna go, are we going first or second though? Hold on, Nate, Nate, you good with that? Yeah, I'm good with that, yeah. All right, so we're gonna do Goldberg Squash and Define. That's the one we're going to do. Okay, so let me get the timer ready. Oh, I can do, I can do that. Because that pissed me off, bro. Yeah. So, so just as, so yeah, we gotta defend that one. Nate Lewis and Jade, defending that Goldberg was the worst decision, Squash and Define, they're going to defend that Goldberg was the worst decision. Okay. And Mo and Ross will be defending that Roman getting hit with six at bars. Don't worry about it. I got it, bro. Nate Lewis and Jade, let me know when you're ready so I can start. They're both dog shit, but all right, let's do it. Exactly. I got you, bro. I got you, bro. They both clear any my view decisions. So they got five minutes to go. So you got to put yourself on mute when they talk. So when they talk. All right, go, go, go, go. Put yourself on mute. And then G, when G says it's over with then. When I grow up, when I grow up like the two, that basically means you have two minutes left. So, all right. So hold on real quick. Nate and Jade. Yeah. Hold on. Because, because when we, because when we do shit like this, I like to like strategize to make sure we don't sound. What's the word I'm looking for? I'm drunk. I'm sorry. What's the word I'm looking for? Repetitive. Repetitive? Yeah. Like the rock. Ha ha, facts. Oh, yeah. I'm glad some of you know this thing. Clip me for this. That entrance is fucking mid. Don't give a fuck. Fuck that entrance. All right, relax. I made a skit about that. It's coming out some of the rock. Because I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed it because he did it last. No, bro. He just be like, bro. Yeah. Instagram and in the ring, bro. He just, yeah, that's all he does. I'm never watching that 21 million promo. I refuse. Yeah. I'm good. I'm good. All right. Hold on. Hold on. Give us, give us, give us like a minute. Hold on. I'm trying to break it down. Oh, how's that day? Like, save us time to treat y'all because I woke up at seven o'clock this morning. It was still dark. I was late as hell to work, bro. Oh my God. That's tough. Okay. That's tough. Yeah. No, that was not for me. All right. Let's go. So whichever money I want to talk on that, then the rest of the week. But I think that's the best three ways we can break it down. All right. Who wants to start us? Okay. Um, honestly. I mean, J. I'm sorry. Yeah. I mean, if you want to go, let's go. I'll go. Nate off the rip. Five minutes on the clock, starting in three, two, one, go. So the theme getting squashed by Goldberg, right? That was, that was pretty bad. That was actually terrible. That was horrific because the theme was the best thing in WWE in 2019. If anybody remembers WWE in 2019, it was horrific. You had the wild cart rule. You had them when they went to like two out of three falls matches. They went to commercial break and turned into something else. It was stupid. Like they didn't want the rest of their commercial breaks. A lot of boneheaded decisions. Kofi got squashed by Brock. You had. Oh my God. You had. And just everything was just, was terrible in that time. But the one consistent thing was the Fiend Bray Wyatt. The moment he debuted as the Fiend, you knew some special was about to happen. Even before then the firefight funhouse carried raw and he was so trashed. And WWE was so trashed that they had to put that on SmackDown. It got to the point where they put him in the universal championship picture. He beat Seth Rollins. He had a Hell in a Cell match happen. And that was one of the worst things. Probably the worst Hell in a Cell match I've ever seen in my life. That ended, but he got his get back at Crown Jewel. They finally made him champion because, I mean, he was the hottest thing in the business. He was like besides AEW, the Fiend was the hottest thing in the business. And so Bray won that. And it was great. But then fucking Goldberg part time and ass. So that will lead me to my next point. To me, when Goldberg came back in this timeframe, he pretty much ruined everything that he touched. I mean, if you go back to Kevin Owens, when he squashed Kevin Owens in the universal championship, it took Kevin Owens a very long time for him to recover. If you look at, if you look at even a guy like Brock, like it took Brock, like even a little, like some little booking for him to even go back to the way he was because the dude got squashed in like two minutes. And obviously we go to Bray Wyatt. The way how he squashed Bray Wyatt, it completely decimated what the Fiend was and what Bray Wyatt was and completely ended any momentum that the Fiend ever had. So when Goldberg, not only was it the worst decision, but it set everything up for failure after that. Bray Wyatt led to not having a, he didn't have a marquee match at the next year's mania. That was the domino effect. Unfortunately due to COVID, Goldberg was just stuck in there with Braun Strowman. So a lot of the domino effects of Goldberg beating Bray Wyatt, it just, it just wasn't a good decision for the landscape after. Well, you know what the worst part of it for me was, thinking about everything that happened with Goldberg before that WrestleMania match, right? And you think about things like the Saudi Arabia match with the Undertaker and then you turn around and you put the universal championship on them. And what message are you sending to everyone watching at that point? Wrestling skills don't matter. Match quality doesn't matter. Match safety doesn't matter. Undertaker and Goldberg nearly fucking killed each other. All that matters is the money. We want every 50-year-old biker who doesn't usually watch WrestleMania to buy WrestleMania because, oh, hey, look, that's the guy I watched when I was 22. And then you've got this guy who is obviously the future of the company, who is obviously a bright light among the big pile of shit that 2019 and 2020 was. He was one of the hottest acts WWE had had in three years. And you sacrifice it at the altar of having and what would have been at that time a below mid-average match between Roman Reigns and Goldberg. Maybe it would have been better than Braun Strowman, maybe, but it's still the things you could have done. I mean, he showed it at WrestleMania with the Firefly Funhouse match, the things you could have done to elevate the Universal Championship with that little bit of creativity, but no, we end up with two big men slapping me and we make jokes about that on the podcast. We make it sound fun, but ultimately it was just a terrible decision because of everything that led up to it with Goldberg and every poor as shit match and every safety standard that he set before that. And then they decide to reward that by putting the title on him. To this day, I'll never understand it. 36 seconds. Now if we look at when Goldberg beat Bray Wyatt, Goldberg beating Bray Wyatt, it led to one of the worst runs the Universal Championship has had since the hot potato between Brock and Roman. Braun Strowman are pretty sure only had like one title defense and then Bray Wyatt got it back and then it led to Roman Reigns having a generational run to even save the championship all because Goldberg selfish ass wanted to bury one of the hottest superstars we've ever seen. 10 seconds. Anything else to add? It affected the company as a whole. Yeah, fuck over. Alrighty, those are your five minutes. Good use of time. Now Mo Malik and Ross, you guys will now have five minutes to argue whether or not Roman Reigns losing by six at fives is the worst decision. Wait, before you start the time, I just want to say rest in peace, Bray. Rest in peace, Bray. Yes, yes, yes. As always, be forever, rest in peace and we can get into it. Yes. Yeah, we wow you. All right. Five minutes on the clock. Three, two, one, go. Bruh, this I've spoken to so many times, bro. This is the worst WrestleMania event I've ever seen in my life, bro. So you have Roman and Brock in the main event of WrestleMania at the time when both guys were unanimously hated equally by the fans and nobody really wanted to see it. So you go into the match. You obviously I think most of us were expecting Roman to win because you just knew they wanted him to be the champion. So whatever, right? Now he takes one at five. That's not too bad. You've seen people kick out of one at five. He takes another one. Two at fives in a row. Not too crazy, right? You've seen that before. He takes three in a row. Now I'm going to lie. It's a little crazy to take three in a row, kick out, but that's not the end of the world. Then he takes one through the announce table, gets thrown back into the ring and takes another at five after that's five in a row. Now we're talking about five straight at fives kicks out. Now we get a little crazy with it. Then they made this man bleed when they don't even do blood and matches anymore, right? And the fans still didn't care that he didn't even care that the match was getting brutal, whatever. Then he takes another at fives and win. Let me remind y'all. It had to take six at fives to take down Roman Reigns. It only took one to take down Samoa Joe and Braun Strowman, who are two of the most dominant guys on the roster at that time to be believable threats to take down Brock Lesnar at the time. It didn't even take six at fives to conquer the streak or to conquer Super Sino and it took six to conquer Roman Reigns. So you basically telling us that Roman Reigns is better than all those guys, right? He's better than the streak at WrestleMania. He's better than Braun Strowman in 2017. He's better than Samoa Joe in 2017. That's basically what they were telling us. It had to take six at fives to take down the one guy that majority of the audience didn't want to see in the position that they wanted him in. And it only took three to conquer the streak. It took two to conquer Super Sino. It took one. One to conquer Braun Strowman and Samoa Joe. One at five. They couldn't kick out of one. It took six to beat this man. Do people understand how absurd that is? Brought Undertaker at WrestleMania for years. For 21 straight years was dominating. Unbeatable. This man kicked out of sweet chair music and a pedigree at the same time. This man damn near. You thought he couldn't be beat at WrestleMania. It was impossible. He lost to three at fives and it took six to beat Roman Reigns. You talking Michael Jordan type ring. Six at fives to beat this man in the main event of WrestleMania. But it was all a matter of time. It was a record. It was a record. But it was a record. It was a record. It was a record. All right. Go ahead, Mo. Yeah. So they had been teasing the match ever since WrestleMania 33 wrapped up. The very next night. Raw after WrestleMania brought comes out. Paul Heyman comes out and they talk about the two and 23 and two. So going up to that point, it's a whole year of people saying, we don't want to see this match happened. ahead and they did it. Then they had a four story line of Roman being oppressed because Brock's Vince's boy because that's just so believable, right? So we go into WrestleMania. Match starts. Crowd is already booing. They're booing that shit out of the building from the jump, chanting all kinds of stuff. This is awful. I feel like I think they were chanting Nakamura's theme, all types of stuff. Beach ball, bro. Beach balls were being thrown around and then they kept egging it on. F5 up to F5. The crowd is getting more and more upset. But we all know at the end, Roman's gonna win. Then he does it. Then we go to Greatest Royal Rumble. Roman hits the floor first, by the way. They still give it to Brock and they continue the chant. And then we have to get to Backlash. Imagine the Samoa Jail Roman Reigns main event from Backlash. As bad as that was, that would have been significantly more entertaining had Roman Reigns had the championship. Instead, we ended off what was already one of the worst pay-per-views in WWE history, right? Then they keep dragging it. They keep dragging it. Fans do not care. Bobby Lashley gets thrown in there and then yanked right out just to have Roman end up winning at SummerSlam anyway. When Braun Strowman had the Money in the Bank briefcase, people wanted to see that. They brought him out at SummerSlam just to make it more interesting. Didn't even work. Didn't even work. This is a WrestleMania main event that I didn't watch. The first one. I did not watch this in its entirety. I only saw clips. I honestly really didn't care too much about this particular WrestleMania from the jump because I knew what the main event was. And even then, with everything that we know, I'm like, all right, well, we'll give Roman as the champ. We'll see the championship. Finally, how ironic we're saying that now. But I'm thinking, okay, they're going to do the right thing. Put the title on and fuck it. The main event. Don't give a shit. The six F5s, all that other stuff. That shit was wild. Point is, at the end of the day, this is Vince at his worst pushing someone that no one truly gave a fuck about at the time. Perfect way to end your time. So now we will have another five minutes of rebuttling in three, two, one. Go ahead. Let me start off by saying this. The one big thing that I want everyone to keep in mind is, how did everyone end up following these decisions? Brock, obviously, before all this off kilter shit happened, right? With Vince and the backstage stories and all that stuff. Brock obviously turned out to be fine. Roman Reigns turned out to be one of the greatest champions we've ever seen, right? So regardless of what happened in that main event, both of those guys turned out fine and ring-wise storyline-wise. But then you look at Goldberg and the theme, and I would say that Goldberg, through a combination of events up to and including being a party to squashing the hottest stat they had had in four or five years of WWE, I would argue that his legacy, if that's what you want to call it, has been ultimately tarnished based on everything that happened with Saudi Arabia and then everything that happened with the theme. And then obviously, the theme was just never the same after that, right? They tried to pick it back up with the Braun Stoneman stuff and some cool stuff happened, but ultimately, because you didn't have the crowd there to react to it, it all felt a little more hokey than usual. But maybe that could have been saved, the theme, how to win against Goldberg under his belt. And then obviously, we know what happened. We'll very right down the line. Not all of it is coming, extending from that. But I would say that five at five, six at fives, whatever, Brock and Roman turned out to be okay. Goldberg and the theme ultimately never recovered. So I want to rebuttal that point right there. Now, Brock and Roman may have been fine, but look at how it affected other people that were a part of that. You go looking before the match at WrestleMania, Braun Stoneman in the Elimination Chamber eliminated everybody in that match except for Roman Reigns. The one guy he couldn't beat was the one guy nobody wanted him to to to win that match. And then the best thing they had for Braun Stoneman at the WrestleMania was to him to win the fucking tag titles with a child. That's the best thing they had for him to do at the WrestleMania because he didn't win that Elimination Chamber. And then you look at what happened afterwards, they put him in a fee with Jinder Mahal. Roman Reigns couldn't even get baby face cheers over Jinder Mahal. He couldn't even get cheers over Jinder Mahal, not to mention what he did to Bobby Lashley. Bobby Lashley beat Roman Reigns at Extreme Rules only to lose a number one contenders match the next night for no reason. So they took Bobby Lashley out of the Universal Championship picture for Roman Reigns once again. And if it may not have affected Roman and Brock, of course, Roman and Brock were going to be solidified no matter what. But the people around it, dude, they literally had Braun Stoneman win the titles with the kid because they had nothing else for him to do at WrestleMania. The best thing they had for him to do was win the tag titles with a 10-year-old child, bro. And the thing is, you see, this is where I want to rebuttal. You said yourself, Roman Reigns will always be solidified. Roman Reigns will always be protected no matter what. We can agree Roman Reigns is always the guy and he's going to be protecting no matter what, right? They're going to keep putting him in these situations. In 2019, the top two merch sellers were Roman Reigns and Becky Lynch. Do you know who was the only man to overtake that before the Goldberg should happen? Bray Wyatt. Bray Wyatt as the fiend managed to overtake peak popularity Becky Lynch and cancer announcement Roman and managed to outsell both of them at their peaks. And since Goldberg squashed the fiend, like you said, Roman is solidified. Roman got the 6F5s and he got smoked by Brock. He was fine afterwards. Once Goldberg squashed the fiend, that humanized the fiend and the fiend was never able to recover. We looked down the line, the fiend got his nuts kicked by Roman and that's what started this Roman shit. And then if we look at the fiend at WrestleMania, took one fucking RKO from Randy Orton to smoke this man. The fiend never recovered after that Goldberg loss. No, you know what killed the fiend in the beginning was when the referee inside a Hell in a Cell match became a Karen and ended the match because, oh, this monster, this demon was way too beat up. That's what killed Bray Wyatt in the beginning. That's what killed Seth more than Bray. If you look at if we're looking in context, we have to look at what happened after the match because after Seth hit that sledgehammer, the fiend came up fine because he's a fucking monster. He's a demon. That shows how much of a demon he is. But at the same time, like it killed Seth. So I would say that did more damage to Seth more than it did the fiend. If anything, it made the fiend look stronger because if you're smashing a sledgehammer full of metal on this motherfucker's dome and he's still getting up like that, that's showing how they're portraying the fiend. All I'm going to say is if the fiend never had the few Seth Rollins, Goldberg would have never beat the fiend in the first place, put the title on him because the fiend going after the championship was a detriment to him from the beginning because he was a fresh new character on the roster they had to build up and they immediately threw him in the title picture. And then of course everybody knows when you're a champion, obviously you can't hold the title forever, right? I mean, you're going to have to lose it. And obviously the worst thing they possibly do was having to lose to Goldberg. But that honestly probably could have never happened if they never threw him in the title picture so soon. Like, I think a lot of us were always like, oh, I had such a fucking rebuttal for all of my give me one minute. Give us one more minute. Give us one more minute. Go ahead. I'm a generous host. One more minute. The reason I can't really say that it was a detriment once he won the universal title because a lot of people are saying in the chat it's a detriment that he won the universal title. He had to eventually lose. If you remember, friendly neighborhood fucking Bray Wyatt defended the universal title against the Miz at TLC. So they could have definitely put a loophole where the Mr. Rogers Bray Wyatt could have lost the championship. The reason why the fiend lost, they try to make Goldberg look like he's fucking Galactus. That's the reason why the fiend lost and it completely ruined the fiend. So I can't necessarily agree that throwing the belt on the fiend was a detriment because they literally had Mr. Rogers wrestle some matches so that they could protect certain superstars. They just want to Goldberg to look like fucking God. They did that with certain superstars. Yeah. But when it comes to fence booking, I mean, the fiend was going to lose. I mean, he didn't have to lose them to Goldberg though. Like if he would have lost, no, he was strong. No, but if he lost the rowing, though, that would have been bad Roman. That's why he didn't lose the room. It was different times where the fiend could have lost. I mean, the strap match at the Royal Rumble against Daniel Bryan, that could have been a way where nobody would have been mad. It's the way how they humanize them and made him get dominated. If he lost to Daniel Bryan in an insane fucking insane physical match, strap match, I don't think anybody would have a problem because that was probably match of the night that night. The problem is just to back up the point, the fiend should have only ever lost a match because of a storyline reason, not because bald headed fucking Goldberg came in and jackhammer over no reason for that. Can't even do it. He can't even do the jackhammer problem. You guys bring up you guys bring up a lot of points. I mean, it did affect it. It did affect the fiend. It did. It did affect the fiend's character long term. But what was so bad about Brock and Roman, it affected other people around it. Other people around they got affected within that stuff. It may not have affected those two guys in general. But like I said, Braun Strowman, he will attack title, the fucking kid brought WrestleMania. That's the best thing to have from WrestleMania, bro. The best thing to have. He was the most dominant guy in 2017. The best thing he dominates the elimination chamber. Everybody in the match. He smoked. He smoked. He smoked Sina. He smoked fin baller. He smoked Seth Rollins. He smoked everybody in that match. And so we're deteriorating from the six at fives. We're talking about the story of Brock versus Roman. If Brock versus Roman, if Brock would be Roman with two at fives, then those guys are still affected. We're talking about the six at fives. If Brock beat Roman with two at fives, Samojo, Braun Strowman, they're still affected. We're talking about the six at fives. We're not talking about Roman losing. We're talking about in six at fives. The whole point is though that match should never happen to begin with. It only happened because he had to go through the elimination chamber to get there, which affected other people around it. And then because of the six at fives, they had to extend that feud out even longer, which nobody wanted. Nobody wanted that. We didn't want to see Brock and Roman. I know. I know. I know. I know. So going forward, the debate rounds, I'll put it at eight minutes because I was letting y'all rock because five minutes clearly wasn't enough. I feel like we could have gone a whole hour going back. Yeah, probably. Probably. So what I will say, um, obviously you're open. Both of y'all's opening points were really strong. I really loved when Jay came in and talked about how my kind of how everything was affected afterwards as well around talked about the fiend never being the same. But then y'all up top came back with like what also basically y'all both kind of did a really good job of showing how everything else off of that decision got affected, not just them too. Right? Y'all y'all talked about the Samoa Joe, Braun, autumn dudes, the guys at the bottom talked about how, you know, Goldberg, Jay, you made a point that Goldberg's like reputation was tarnished. I really did like that point because when you think about it, Goldberg wasn't really viewed the same after that. So I think both of y'all counterpoints was really, really good. So overall, I'm going to go super, super slightly, super, super slightly with Goldberg squashing the fiend. And the only reason why honestly, Nate, you kind of solidified it at the end because you kind of, you talked about how well if Roman would have lost to two FIs, though still would have been affected, but it was the six that really does it, not necessarily losing the Brock, whereas Fiend, whereas the fiend, him losing to Goldberg, no matter how he would have lost was always going to be stupid, was always going to be horrendous, and was always going to be like that should have never, ever happened, never like there's no, at least with Roman, like at least for me with Roman, the six at fives is what really does it. But if he would have lost, like you said, like two, like those other guys still would have been affected, but it wouldn't have been as bad if we would have just been like, wow, why are they saying that? But yeah, so, yeah, it's super, super slight though. I love both arguments because I hate both of them. I'm not going to lie. I hate both of them. I think both of them are the greatest. So with that being said, you guys get to pick your next question. Do you need me to go over them again? Or y'all got it? No, no, no, we have the questions. We're just going to pick your next one. I'm good with that. I think it'll be a disservice not to choose the next topic. We have one of the biggest but we have the biggest Dolph Ziggler fan on earth. I think it's only fair we defend Dolph Ziggler's honor. So we're going to defend Dolph Ziggler. Sorry, Kofi, we love you. But all right, let me know. Let me let me know. Not February anymore. So we're good. That's crazy. Let me know when you guys are ready. I'm ready. All right, five minutes on the clock. So listen, listen, there's a bias on this bias. Okay, so I get that we're probably going to lose this no matter what. I will go to my grave. I will be dead in my coffin and someone will bring up the fact that Dolph Ziggler wasn't capitalized upon after Survivor Series in 2014 and I will shoot out of my coffin and I will argue that point again before I die a second time. Dolph Ziggler has proven in 2013 with the money in the bank that he could be the supporting heel on a main roster show and then he proved in the mid 2010s 2015 and 2017 that he could be the most over supportive baby face of any main roster show. He showed on two occasions that rather you wanted him to be the antichrist or the paragon, he could be whatever you need him to be. Match quality, forget about it. It's Dolph Ziggler. I don't care what you think about Dolph Ziggler and his character or or his push or his fans or his hair or whatever. If you say to me that Dolph Ziggler's ring work didn't move mountains at times, you're out of your freaking mind and the fact that Dolph Ziggler, the fact that Dolph Ziggler was the World Heavyweight Champion twice and on both occasions we were more focused on who his fucking girlfriend was than what he was doing in the ring shakes me to my knees. I understand that there were injuries. I get it. We can't control Dolph Ziggler. But we could have controlled how we booked him as a champion. You guys remember when Chris Jericho beat Stone Cold and the Rock and one night began the undefeated champion and then carried Stephanie McMahon's purse and her little fucking dog or whatever until he lost to Triple H? That's what both of Dolph Ziggler's title reigns remind me of. Dolph Ziggler came off of the most electric money in the bank cash in. Nothing. He comes off of being the last man standing against team authority. Nothing. He wins a retirement match against the Miz. Nothing. We had all of these opportunities to make Dolph Ziggler a if not even Sherlock. And we couldn't make it happen on multiple opportunities. And I swear to God, if he doesn't come back to WWE and win a title at some point, it's just a sham. It's a complete sham. I'm done. Go ahead. So for me personally, a comparison I can give Dolph and let's actually be serious and hear me out when I say this. A comparison I can give Dolph is like KD. KD is one of the best plug and play players we've ever seen. I feel the same way about Dolph. Dolph is one of the best plug in wrestlers we've ever seen. When the WWE has never had a direction, a clear cut direction they can go. The main guy for the last decade that they leaned on to put on a classic for the next couple of weeks was always Dolph Ziggler. Whenever they didn't really have a true direction with big gold, they went with Dolph Ziggler. In 2018, when Seth Rollins cleared everybody on the main roster on his run as IC champion and they had no direction, the guy that they plugged in there and we had countless classics like we had probably seven classic matches between those two in the span of a month and it was Dolph Ziggler. When Dean Ambrose beat Seth Rollins and Roman Reigns at Battleground and to retain the WWE world championship and they had no clear cut direction on who they can give the title opportunity to, they gave it to Dolph Ziggler. Dolph Ziggler is one of the, I wouldn't even be mad if you say the best, plug in wrestler, plug in into the storyline, do something out of nothing and steal the show. He is probably the best at doing that and WWE never, ever capitalized on that. That's facts, bro. That's facts. Dolph Ziggler overall is a fantastic superstar. He can talk, he can work, he can sell, he can tell a story, he can do it all. You want him to be baby face, you baby face. Want him to be heel, you can be heel. And that time period when he was a world heavyweight champion, he should have had a much better run, but unfortunately he got injured and they never trusted him with the strap again. They gave it to Alberto Pistpatron, but that's whatever. But Dolph Ziggler, Dolph Ziggler is just, you need somebody, you need someone to get over, Dolph Ziggler's got it. You need someone to have a five star class with Dolph Ziggler, man. You need somebody as a title contender for the world championship, intercontinental championship, tag championship, you got Dolph Ziggler. And I think his skill and his ability, his just, his work ethic, his ability to just give himself to any storyline. I mean, look at what he did with Russivlana and summary, like his ability to just give to any storyline. He should, he should have been a top star in WWE. And I will just say too, in case you're getting ready to count off points for not saying how we would do it, Dolph Ziggler is proving time and time again how you do it. I'm just, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying. All right, guys up top, you already argued Kofi Kingston. So it's how we would have booked them better, correct? So it's, so you're basically, you can't, yeah, it's, it's who you can choose. Now, if you want to use that for your argument, you can. I'm not going to tell you, I'm not going to tell you how to argue it. It's just, it's a matter of who you guys are, you're arguing for Kofi Kingston. So if you want to add in how you want to do it, that is part of your- On why he should have had a better run? Yeah, as a main event. Okay, cool. Okay. All right, so whenever you guys are ready. Okay. All right, three, two, one, go. All right, here's the thing about Kofi and we always talk about the ultimate underdog story and how people want to see someone rise up. Kofi was never presented as a main eventer, even in his SOS days with the fake Jamaican accent and all this other stuff. He was never presented as anything higher than mid card card. He had some great matches and we obviously know what happened with Randy Orton and I'm going to let my compadres dive into that. But I will say this, it literally was what we was talking about last week, a spur of the moment, a random moment, the moments where it's not planned, the moments where something happens with the book and behind the scenes that causes someone to be in a certain situation. And that was Kofi. He was in the right place at the right time. Yes, they put him with new day and he was having his run with them, you know, even being a heel for a little bit and that helped. But once again, Vincent them never looked at him as anything higher than that. That was Pete Kofi with new day. It was, they were heels. They were meant to be taken not seriously, but people started to love them. And then, you know, they started pushing out the merchant, all this other stuff. It wasn't until Ali got hurt and then all of a sudden the fans switched. And that don't happen often. Fans are not just going willingly get behind someone just because sometimes it is. But a lot of times it has to be that mental idea like, damn, we like Kofi. Kofi's been around for a while. You know what? Let's give him an opportunity. And once again, outside of the Ali situation, they kind of forced WWE's hand and a black guy being put in that position in this company. I know people don't want to bring up race, but that's something special, especially to see something like that where you've seen someone work and grind for so long to be only at this ceiling. And then now the cars line up. And now they're in a situation to be a main eventer and look that as a main eventer. I think that's something to be commended and that's something to really look into because that shit don't happen. It really does. So I'm handing it off to my compadres on that one, man. Go ahead, Mo. So the thing is, Kofi Kingston's push only stopped because of one word being repeated twice. Stupid. Yeah. All because he accidentally got up when he was supposed to be punted. His entire push stop. If let me remind y'all of something, when they were in MSG I believe back in 2009, it was a feud between Kofi Kingston and Randy Orton. Kofi Kingston had that moment where he leg dropped Randy Orton. I believe it was in the crowd. One of the biggest moments of that whole year. Right? And the fact that because he made one little botch, killed his whole push, whenever Kofi Kingston is put in anything, he makes it work. Whether he was in the mid-card, whether he's in a tag team, air boom. The tag team was our truth for a little bit. New Day was a little bit of a failure in the beginning, but they fixed it and let them be themselves and it ended up working perfectly. And now they're probably the greatest, if not one of the greatest tag teams of all time. Right? But the fact that his push got stopped all because of one little botch, when other people wouldn't, that would not happen to other people like that. I think for me the main thing is that Kofi's push really happened, like he said, by a happy accident. You know, if Ali don't get hurt, we don't even know if we get Kofi Mania. And Kofi Mania was great, but then look how it ended. He gets squashed by Lesnar and then never got a rematch for it. And they basically sacrificed Kofi Kingston's championship push for a match with Kane Velazquez that nobody cared about. And then we never saw Kane Velazquez again in WWE. So I feel like Kofi had a great run with the New Day. I mean, legendary because arguably they're the greatest tag team of all time. I mean, I'm not going to dispute that if people did say that. But for like Ross said, for an African American guy to get that big moment, because there haven't been any two men African American champions, you have the Rock who's half black, you have Bobby Lashley, you have Big E, and then you have Kofi Kingston. So that's really like four people right there that you can aim on. So for him to get that big moment and it was great. It's like, it's like Vince said, we'll give you that moment, but it's going to end the way I want it to end. And then it literally happened when he got squashed by Lesnar. Never got a rematch for it. And then he had to sacrifice it for a UFC rematch WWE style that the fans never didn't really care about. Only to never see that guy ever show up in WWE ever again. Never saw his face once again after that. So, you know, Kofi's Kofi's push could have gone a lot better. You could probably say he had a bigger, you know, bigger moments than Ziggler did because Ziggler, obviously they fumbled a lot with him as well, you know, throughout time. But, you know, Kofi's push, honestly, you could really say kind of happened by, you know, some some things falling in line. Like I said, if Ali don't get hurt, does we get Kofi mania? Maybe not. All right, you guys can start rebuttling. Also, Tyler, I'm looking at you differently because the fact that you called Kofi a transitional champion is fucking distasteful. Fuck you. Yeah. And that's what I want. That's what I want. Chas, I'm disrespecting Kofi. We're not doing that shit. Fuck outta here. That's what I want to call out to is, I think, because Kofi's championship reign ended so distastefully, and it was. It was completely distasteful. It wasn't appropriate in any way. I completely agree with that. But I think people forget that before that happened, he had what? A six or seven month reign where he defeated guys like Randy Orton, Kevin Owens, Daniel Bryan, Dolph Ziggler, now that we're talking about it, and he defeated it in multiple match types and multiple pay-per-views weekend and week out. So, and I mean, a six or seven month title reign, comparatively, now you look at reigns like Gunther and Roman Reigns and it feels like nothing. But back then, that was pretty long by all standards, whereas Dolph Ziggler obviously never had that. And then you look at Kofi's career without that six month world championship reign, still a bona fide Hall of Famer. I would argue as Dolph, even as Dolph Ziggler's biggest fan, Dolph Ziggler's Hall of Fame credibility is like, it's like that, because yeah, he was one of the most talented guys to ever come in the company. But without somebody getting behind him and pushing him to where he needed to be, Dolph Ziggler never punched through that class ceiling like Kofi did. Now, once he didn't forcefully push back down under the class ceiling, yes, but he did punch through and I'm so happy that he did. But comparatively, if we're talking about which guy had more opportunity in his career to be more than what he was, I don't think there's any debate that it's definitely Dolph. You guys want to go? Yeah, to that point, you make some great points on that in that situation. But when we're talking about specifically that title reign, that's cool. But there's also been a lot of title reigns that have been not memorable. And you can barely remember. You can have these views with these legendary people, but if the match is not memorable, who gives a fuck? And that's the situation here. I think people will remember how Dolph Ziggler had the World Heavyweight Championship and because of injury, we didn't get to see that. So people have that fond memory. When people think of Kofi Mania, they think of him winning it. And then they think of him getting squashed to fucking Brock on Fox. That's it. Yeah, they have the feuds of Randy Orton and stuff, and that should have been cinema. And they fucked it up because they still had Kofi being this happy, gold, lucky, eating pancakes and wearing dildos on his fucking forehead and not taking shit seriously. So at that point, you automatically knew whatever hype you have. Because I remember watching it, I was like, yeah, Kofi Mania. And then they just had him feuding with people that you know. But the few didn't matter because at the end of the day, no one cared. They had him dancing, jucking and jiving. You're like this, like that. That was it. So we got the moment. Like he said, we got the moment. But then said, all right, pal, fuck your moment. Now I'm going to do what I want to. And that's exactly what happened. So the title reign, cool. Six months of just random matches that really most of us don't fucking remember doesn't really account to everybody remember when Dolph cashed in. Everybody remembered the hype behind him. Everybody remembered that survivor series moment that they didn't capitalize on. Yeah, those are different moments. And he didn't have legendary title reigns because of it. Everybody remember the feud he had with this? That sure was a great intercontinental feud legendary. But how many feuds of Kofi's title ranking? You can sit up there and say, oh, yeah, man, I remember that. And just being like, oh, that was that was fantastic. Just a random one. Just a random one. For me, for me personally, I want to touch up on the point where I'm sorry. Hold on. I'm I'm I'm fucked. I want to touch up on the point where you guys said the new day started becoming themselves. I personally feel like Dolph never had that opportunity. I'm not taking that away from I'm not taking that away from Kofi. I would never discredit Kofi. But I feel like in that instance of becoming a main eventer, at least when they at least when the fans turned the hand for Kofi, they gave Kofi a legit shot. When the fans turned and moved the hand for somebody like Dolph, they never gave Dolph a chance. Basically, what I'm saying is WWE was more open to giving Kofi at least a true run as a true main eventer rather than Dolph. It's hard. It's it's really hard because both guys were rejected for so long. But I think we can all sit up here and agree that Dolph was rejected through and through and they did not believe in Dolph. At least when Kofi had his peak, they tried and they were open to do something with that with Dolph. He never had that. All right, let me refute that. Like we was talking about Lucky Happenstance, that's really what this is. I'm going to be honest with you and I love Kofi. But the only reason why we got this is because of that random situation, the random booking. So to be honest with you, if Ali doesn't get injured, I don't think we see Kofi in that situation. I think we just see him tearing at mid-card and that's it. So to point out that yes, Dolph didn't have those moments specifically or when he did get those moments, they didn't really kind of the management wasn't kind of buying into it. They were just like, we'll give them a little bit and then we'll kind of pull back. I think the same thing would happen with Kofi. It's just an injury put him in that situation. The fans said something and I was like, you know what, fuck it, we're here now. Let's go with it because after I'll put it to you in this perspective, if they really believed in Kofi like the fans did, then they would have treated his reign so much better. And that goes for both of these guys. If they really believed in them, they would have treated them better. But because they didn't and they just kind of moved him in that slot, that's the only reason why we got that legendary moment at that WrestleMania. That's the only reason why we got it. And the fact that they paired them up with Daniel Bryan and for that to happen. I mean, it was a great story tell, but once again, the end of the day, none of this matters if Ali doesn't get injured. I also just want to rebuttal on that. I feel like the WWE believed in Kofi just a little bit more in terms of in terms of a superstar company aspect because they threw him with New Day. And like Mo said, in the beginning, they were a little bit shaky, but then they took off and Archie became the greatest WWE tag team of all time. I'm not saying put Dolph in the same situation and he'll replicate the same results. I'm not saying that. But if you can find a hidden gem like that and if you're willing to just throw something together and see how it works, there was no reason where you couldn't put Dolph in a situation. Put him in a situation to see if something works. That's what you did with New Day and it capitalized greatly. And you made him a tag team juggernaut. With Dolph, he never had any of those opportunities. At least with Kofi, he had the safety net in the future with New Day. Dolph never had the safety net with anything in terms of his booking. So I'd argue when it comes to their careers, Kofi was booked a little bit better than Dolph was. And I couldn't rebuttal, but I don't want to slurp Dolph anymore. Okay, go ahead. Hey, yo, hey, yo. That's egregious. That is egregious. I mean, yeah, I mean, for Dolph, for Dolph it was one injury and he was back to the midcard. For Kofi, he lost to Brock. At least he had the New Day to fall back on. Like he won the tag titles literally the next week. And he always had that. With Dolph, it was like back to the midcard and slowly, besides like Survivor Series 2014, and then 2016, that feud with the Miz. Besides that, Dolph was just kind of always floating to the point where he wasn't even on TV for like a year. Like he just wasn't there. And it got to the point where people like me would be like, Dolph, like Dolph Ziggler is trash. Like it's not going to amount to anything because they never gave him that chance. They never put him in anything to the point where he won the NXT championship. I was like, Dolph Ziggler out of all people winning the NXT championship. What are we doing? Like that's what you have for Dolph Ziggler. So they never really gave Dolph any opportunities outside of what he had. And like Kofi, who after he lost to Brock, at least he had New Day to fall back on. That was a great argument, guys. Obviously, I think both of these guys should have had better opportunities. I love the points that kind of Nate and Y'all were bringing up. Y'all brought up how Kofi, like at least he had something to fall back on, in a sense, where Dolph didn't really have that safety blanket almost. And then Jade, you talk about it all the time. You said it, the fact that in both of his title runs, they were more interested with who his girlfriend was as opposed to the title reign. I definitely resonated with it, resonated with me because it was like, yeah, that is kind of true. I do think, just me, I do think Dolph had, I don't want to say the bigger highs, but more highs, but I still think y'all did a great job showing like, okay, yeah, he had that, but it was kind of like that's it. However, I am going to go with Kofi and the only reason I'm going to go with Kofi is because they brought up the point that Kofi's push that stopped off of a botch for 11 years. Like that's crazy, like when you really think about it, one botch and you never get put back in that position. And then when you did get put back in the position, Vraz said it, it was only because of an injury, because that was supposed to be Mustafa Ali. And I remember, because I remember vividly Mustafa Ali beating Daniel Bryan, which at the time, was like the biggest deal in the world. That was like the biggest deal in the world. Like I remember he botched it too, like he hit Daniel Bryan like crazy, like off his 450 or whatever. He like apologized during the pain, but still got it. Like that was crazy. That's the only reason I'm going to go with Kofi. Well, that's the main reason why, because you don't get put in that position at all for like, I don't even think you had a world title match at all in that span. And then when you did get it, it was kind of like, like all they really did was say, oh, Mustafa's hurt. Hey, Kofi, go run the gauntlet, because why not? You know what I mean? You're reliable, we trust you. You know, so... The Mustafa Ali butterfly effect is crazy. I think about that concept. It really is. Yeah. Yeah. And so... Yeah, yeah. It's not to mention too, like I said, look how it ended. It feels like they just gave us the moment just to give it to us. And then they... Because it was inaudible. And then he just killed it, and then he killed it when he wanted to kill it, the way he did. Yeah, because, because remember, Kevin Owens is supposed to win that title at Mania. Yeah, he wasn't even on WrestleMania either, so... Yeah, because he came back at Fastlane. That's when they redebuted him. He was supposed to beat Bryan at Mania. Yes, he was supposed to be the one to beat Bryan at Mania, bro. He was supposed to be the one to beat Bryan at Mania. I'm glad we're both on Mania, but KO beating him, what would it be? Yeah, that would have been crazy. That would have been crazy, too. All right, so it's one run right now. Malik Mo-Ross, you guys get to beat him. What, what, what's, uh, what's the... KO could it be KO feet? Yeah, yeah, yeah. KO Mania, man. KO Mania, man. KO Mania, man. KO Mania, man. That would be crazy. Hey, man, that's Summer Slam at least. That would be... Ah, bro. And he okay with KO Mania. They put him, they put him, they put him... Remember, they put Kevin Owens with the new day for like a couple of weeks. And there we go. And it was like, he was the big O. And then he turned it on to the medium. He did not know he was originally supposed to beat Daniel Bryan. Yeah, he was supposed to be Daniel Bryan. So, wait, so, was the whole... You couldn't have KO beat Kofi at the 1,000th episode of SmackDown? Wait, what the fuck? Nah, because they would try not to. And they just went to Fox, right? Had to do, had to do... Had to do Rockin' Kane Velazquez, bro. Had to do it, bro. Yeah, because they would try not to see him. You would think that would be the safety net. Like, okay, we don't want Kofi a champion. He wants to just throw it at KO because we won't do it anyway. What are the next three topics here? The last remaining questions are worst WrestleMania of the past 15 years, excluding 36, so 24 to 39. If Becky Lynch doesn't win a WrestleMania, who would you vote to be the one to the throne rear Ripley? And if you could take one person from A.W. and put him in WWE, who would it be and why? All right, I'm gonna defend this, bro. All right. Yo, hey. Y'all like the video, by the way? Hey, Nate, Jade, if we get A.W. We should do this one in control. I'll give it to you, Malik. I'll give it to you, Malik. Because I can help you with the audience. There's so many bad things to say. Yeah, I'll give it to you. I got some bad things to say. Hey, I'll have you all with me. Y'all have it all as question and defense. Yeah, I would think it's a great thing, man. Just troll us if you're in there. All right, so which one is it gonna be, Malik? I feel like you're real excited, buddy. We definitely slammed in WrestleMania 34, bro. Oh, it's getting slender to eat. All right, so Malik, Moe, and Ross, you guys will be telling us why WrestleMania 34 is the worst mania in the last 15 years. I'm gonna take it, and then whoever want to go after it can bitch in, bro. Shoot, man. Go for it. All right, it's time to clock. Three, two, one, go. So we're not even gonna talk about, I'm not even gonna talk about the time of WrestleMania, because we all know WrestleMania's were long at that time. But you look how they structured the car. You know, we had Asuka and Charlie. We had Shinsuke and AJ. We look at Undertaker and John Cena. You're looking pretty promising, you know what I'm saying? Even though the main event ain't what we want it to be, it's still looking pretty promising. Show starts off great. Triple threat, icy title match. Chef's kiss, right? Starting off great, right? Then you have Charlie beat Asuka. Now, even though I don't think that was the end of the world, that right there should have been the red flag sign that we should have saw right there. We should have known right there that WrestleMania was gonna be doing from right there. Just off the fact, Asuka lost. You had Asuka lose to Charlie, which not a lot of people want to show it to beat that streak, but it's whatever, right? Then you dive into the rest of the show. We get Undertaker, John Cena, a match, a dream match we all have been waiting for for years. We have been waiting for that match at WrestleMania for so long. You look at the documentary Undertaker looking like he's in shape and everything after you're not looking in shape. He looking in great shape for his age for the first time in so long. And what did we get? Two minute squash match. Undertaker, old man taker, squash John Cena at WrestleMania and a two minute squash match after we waited years to see that match. I just want to expound on that point. That was off of Vince McMahon troll, by the way, because he just wanted to see Undertaker getting all this great shape only to put him in that match. By the way, only for a troll. You had the new day versus the bludgeon brothers in the Usos. You give that time. That could have been a great tag team match right there. That was a five minute squash match. The bludgeon brothers destroyed Kofi Kingston, Xavier Woods, and the Usos just just just squashed him for no reason. Then you look at the rest of the show. We get through all those shenanigans right there. AJ and Shinsuke, one of the most hyped up WrestleMania matches in WWE history, bro. If anybody ever saw their match in the Wrestle Kingdom, bro, you thought this match was going to cook. Like, bro, AJ and Shinsuke, this is what we wanted. Literally after Shinsuke won the rumble, he announced AJ right afterwards. He announced the agenda. That's what we're doing. This match was the third to the last match on WrestleMania. It had a good time. But by that time, the WrestleMania had been so long. The fans really was kind of dying out a little bit. And the match stuck up the joint. It was a very disappointment not to mention Shinsuke lost and then turned heel for what? One of the most over babyfaces in the company. Turned heel afterwards. And then Shinsuke, he talked about steam dying down. He steam died down tremendously. He never touched the world title after that. He lost to AJ like what, four times in a row after that? Crazy stuff. And then you look at the nuts. And then I already mentioned Braun Strowman, bro. The best thing they had for him was to team up with the child at WrestleMania and win the tag titles, bro. They put him in the tag team title match. He comes out. We're waiting to see who his partner is, right? Who's going to be his partner? He's going out in the crowd. We think he's going to be somebody. He brings in a kid. And they literally won the tag. He couldn't even hold up the damn belt, bro. His kid couldn't even hold the title over his head, bro. He was that small. He's 10 years old, bro. He couldn't even hold the title up this. That's how little he was. He liked this, bro. With the tag team titles at WrestleMania. And then they gave him up the next night. He had to relinquish him because obviously the 10-year-old title, he can't defend the title. He's in school still. So they had to literally give up the tag titles. They had them beat the bar, which was one of the best tag teams in WWE at the time. They had them beat the bar just to give up the tag titles at WrestleMania. And not to mention that main event, Brock Lesnar, Roman Reigns, guys. The two guys in the company that fans legitimately hated more than anybody in the company at the time frame in the main event of WrestleMania. The crowd literally chanted, this is awful. Brock Lesnar threw the fucking title at Vince McMahon after the match because he knew that shit was duty cheeks, bro. That shit was garbage. Go ahead, bro. We only got two minutes, so he pretty much cooked. We can just stop. This was a prime example of how horrid this era of WWE was, 2018, because the night before was Takeover New Orleans. The show that got me into NXT in the beginning, like full-time. To follow it up with this and for it to start so well, then for it to fall off a fucking cliff the way it did, right? Like AJ and Shinsuke was so bad because, not because of all the expectations. No, it was bad because they put it third to last on a card that was already four hours long. Like that was the biggest disappointment of the weekend, man. Just get, they should have opened. If you asked me, they should have opened the show. Let them cook for 20 minutes, but no, they wanted to fumble. They want to mess with that so much for a match in the main event that nobody wanted to see. Like Malik said, two people that, the two people that were hated the most in the company. Yep, they kind of spoke on everything here to be honest with you once again. It's the only WrestleMania that I didn't watch the main event because I didn't give a fuck. And when you can do that at your biggest show to not make me care, that's a problem. The fact that all the people that the fans was behind and wanting to see when it came to Oscar and AJ and Shinsuke, for them, for Vince to just say, fuck it, this is my show. I'm going to do whatever the fuck I want. I don't give a fuck what you feel like. That's how I felt about this entire show. So honestly, for me, nah, it's a skill, easy skill. Perfect timing. I do just want to say though, Moe, NXT take over New Orleans. Greatest pay-per-view I've ever seen in my life. Greatest pay-per-view I've ever seen. That's crazy. That's crazy. Yes, yes, yes. That's the pay-per-view I've ever seen. I've never, let me rephrase that. Actually, no, I'm not going to rephrase it. It's the greatest pay-per-view I've ever seen. That's your opinion, man. That's your opinion. Hey, no, it's a good opinion. Great. I'll say something. I'm fine, but it's a good one. That's a great opinion. That's a great opinion. No, I don't think you're 21. All right, next up, Nate, Lewis, Jay, do you guys ready? Oh, we're ready. Because the worst WrestleMania of all time, as I actually just learned, is WrestleMania 27. Because you want to talk about how bad the two world title matches of 34 were. Let's compare that to John Cena versus the Miz and Edge versus Alberto Del Rio. Maybe the two most inconsequential world championship matches we have ever seen. Because the Miz was only there to set up Miami as bitch ass for twice in a lifetime. And there was no way Del Rio was ever going to be Edge. So there's that. You want to talk about Undertaker versus John Cena? At least you remember that match. You know what we got? Hold on, hold on. Mo and Ross, you got to meet your mic, bro. Because somebody breathed into that mic heavily, bro. So we got to meet your mic. I think it was a little slow. At least you remember. At least it was John Cena. You know what we're throwing from WrestleMania 27? Pre-starred us, Cody Rhodes, versus out of shape Rey Mysterio. That's what we're throwing. We're throwing the core versus the big show and a bunch of jobbers on a WrestleMania core. Don't forget, Jay. Do you know what else we got? Mo's favorite wrestler of all time, the great Khali, eliminated Sheamus in a battle royal. So that's my point. I'm not going to take up any more time. I'll leave it to my colleagues. A lot of really bad shit happened at 34. At least we remember that really bad shit. Let me run this card down really, really quick. Edge defeated Alberto Del Rio in 11 minutes and six seconds. Cody Rhodes lost. He beat Rey Mysterio in 11 minutes and 58 seconds. Big show. Kane, Kofi Kingston, Santino Morano defeated the core in one minute and 32 seconds. What the fuck is this even on the card? Grand New York and BCM Punk, 14 minutes, 45 seconds. Good match. Michael Cole faced Jerry Waller in a 13-minute match, but I believe the segment was like 30 minutes. Fucking terrible. John Morrison, Snooki, Trish Stratus, they defeated Dolph Ziggler in a late call, three minutes, 16 seconds. And Miz and Cena went for 15 minutes and 21 seconds, but that shit was like a half hour. I don't care what you think. Do we all know why WrestleMania 27 is one of the worst WrestleMania of all time? Do you know why? Because my real bitch ass hosted it. He put together one of the worst cards we've ever seen. That's fucking why. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, that opening segment, that nigga went on forever, forever. He just talked and talked and talked and talked. But why is your world title match 11 minutes but the rock is just talking and talking and talking. Do not have anybody better in that position to. All right. And you know what else we can capitalize to? At least Roman Reigns and Brock Lesnar, they were the one and two in the company, depending on how you look at Roman Reigns and Brock Lesnar. With the Miz, with my VS bitch ass involved, your WWE Champion, not just any WWE Champion, your WrestleMania main event, WWE Champion, who successfully retained was the third most important person that main event. That's fucking terrible. That is terrible. The thing is too, even though the results at WrestleMania 34 may have ended up being really shitty and they were, at least there was hype. We were all hyped because we wanted to see what was going to happen with Baker and Cena. We were hyped about Brock Lesnar and Roman because we thought Roman was finally going to win. We were hyped about Shinsuke and AJ because we thought that match was going to change lives. We were hyped about Asuka. Now, none of that stuff happened, right? But at least there was hype going into it. The match with the most heat, I shit you not, going into 27 was Michael Cole versus Jerry Lawin. That match had the most heat of any match on that card. And that is saying something. No one cared a thing about any match on that card because everything felt like it was a summer slam, not a WrestleMania. And you know what, Nate? Let me also say this too. At least with AJ Styles and Shinsuke Nakamura as much of a snoozefest that it was, at least they gave them time. At least you gave Shinsuke Nakamura who was your Royal Rumble winner. At least he gave them time. He gave them 20 minutes. Alberto Del Rio was coming off the largest Royal Rumble win in WWE history and was only given 11 minutes to work with. 11, 11. At least Shinsuke, the Royal Rumble winner, had time. I forgot to mention, I forgot to mention, I'm taking Triple H, that's the one, the one good match on this God for signature. I didn't want to break up. The only good match. That was the only time. Just literally, it's a one match show. That's literally it. At least WrestleMania 34 had like, at least they had two good matches at least. This only had one. They had two matches that went under five minutes. Y'all can go into the rebuttal because you basically ended up- Can we start? Can we start? Yeah, you thought maybe 34 about it. We all feel that way. So, both are shitty WrestleMania's. We were going to either pick 27 or 34, by the way. But to go off, to go off the point Jay said, and this is what makes 34 even worse than 27, he said there was a lot of height for 34, which there was, and that makes it even worse because we were really excited for some of these matches that shit the bed. We were excited for some of these moments and they fumbled. Nobody really was hyped for 27 like that, looking at a couple of matches. I don't think anybody really had any high expectations besides the Rock coming back Triple H and Undertaker and everything else was kind of no in there. We had Shinsuke and AJ. We had Taker and Sino. We had Asuka and Charlotte. We had a lot of good moments on the show that we was excited for. And that's what made 34 even worse because all of these big moments they had, they all ended up terribly. They fumbled the bag with all these moments. You had two of your Royal Rumble winners, not only not in the main event, but they both lost. And then one of them turned heel for no reason afterwards, which did nothing for him in the long run. Not to mention, I didn't even get to those. So we had Jinder Mahal, one in the US title. Randy Orton was in the mid-car title at that point. You had Nia Jackson and Alexa Bliss, which was kind of like the backward story, which kind of didn't make sense because Nia Jackson was the one getting bullied by Alexa Bliss, who was a lot smaller than her. So you would think that storyline would go the other direction. And then they actually had a legit match when you thought Nia Jackson was going to squash Alexa Bliss because she said she was going to do that in the promo. I'm going to squash you like a bug. And they actually had a competitive 10 minute match. So a lot of these moments, you got a lot of good points to 27. You had Del Rio, which nobody really... I don't think anybody really cared about him when they were at Rumble. So that was there, you know what I'm saying? Of course, you had Michael Cohen, Jerry Lawler, which is one of the worst WrestleMania matches I've ever seen in my life, you know what I mean? So you had a lot of bad moments. But the hype for WrestleMania 34, there was more hype for that because we had the expectations of how they were building it up. They were giving us what we wanted only to not give us what we wanted in the end. Well, here's what I'll say. Do you know what's worse than having to hype up WrestleMania and not be in expectations? Having a WrestleMania where you have no expectations too and they still failed to meet those expectations. That is horrible. Malik, you know how you say about the 2015 Rumble where the WWE crew, they just sat down together and said, how can we book the worst Rumble of all time? That's literally what the WWE did with WrestleMania 27. They literally sat down at the table and said, how can we book the worst WrestleMania of all time? You got a good point, but when your expectations are really low, you don't really have any expectations for anything. When they're really high and they disappoint, that was one of the main issues WWE had around that 2018, 2019 run was that they would always give us these big expectations and then they would fuck it up in the end and that's what made Raw and SmackDown not watchable through those times because it seemed like they were going to get in the right direction. They was telling us they had one of the biggest live promos when they all came out and they said, we hear you guys, we're going to change and we see social media and we hear the fans and everything only to do the same shit over. They did the same shit. They basically came out on television and tell us they were going to change everything only to not do it. And that was WrestleMania 34 to the example. They had all the expectations right. You had Oscar and Shinsuke when the rumble was which a lot of people had wanted. Most of us had wanted to see that and then they give us the matches we wanted. Now Oscar losing to Charlotte, I don't think it was the end of the world, right? But could Charlotte, did Charlotte really need to be the one in the string? Probably not, you know what I mean? It could have been somebody else. But I mean, look at all the other stuff that I named on the show. Cena and Taker was a squash match, bro. Like you could have just had not even had that match on the show at that point, bro, if we're being honest. Like we had waited so long to see that match. Granite Undertaker was past his prime. Cena wasn't super seen anymore. He already had one foot out the door to Hollywood. So they both went at their peak. But, you know, we all had waited for this match and we're like, all right, you know what I'm saying? We finally going to get it. We've been waiting for so long for it, only for it to be a squash match, bro. So a lot of us were like, bro, what was the point of this match? Honestly, bro, when that match ended, I was waiting for something to happen. I'm like, all right, you know, something's going to happen, right? Like that's not going to be the end of it. And then it was the end. And then I'm like, okay, what are we doing here? What was the point of this, bro? Like, y'all gave us a squash match for what? For a troll? Like Ross said, it's because Vince wanted to, I guess, troll the Undertaker for, I guess, a rib or something like that. Yeah. I'd rather have a, let me say this real quick. At least with WrestleMania 34, you guys still had overall solid matches, like Cedric Alexander, Mustafa Ali on the pre-show, that was solid for the time that they were giving it. The triple threat IC title match, that was really good. Charlotte and Oscar, the match itself, not the decision, the match itself, it was still pretty solid. Kurt Angle and Ronda Rousey, people considered that one of the best debuts for a superstar ever for Ronda Rousey. That's full stop. Daniel Bryan and Shane McMahon, people were so hyped for that match to see Daniel Bryan come back, to see Daniel Bryan come back. I remember that match had a lot of hype because Daniel Bryan was coming back from injury. Everything else, I'll give you, but at least you guys had more solid matches than 27 did. 27 had three matches under five minutes, five minutes. And look, man, look, I'm gonna read this. This is a WrestleMania match. This is not the WrestleMania one, two, three, four, when they had the little squash matches, before WrestleMania was what it was. This is WrestleMania well into its identity as WrestleMania, bro. Big Show, Kane, Kofi Kingston, and Santino Morella versus Ezekiel Jackson. Heath Slater, Justin Gabriel, and Wade Barrett. That was a legitimate WrestleMania match. They sat down, they said, what is a match we can make for WrestleMania? Oh, we see Big Show and Kane's old ass. We'll get Kofi Kingston, who have Santino Morella's goofy ass with his cobra, and we'll grab Ezekiel Jackson the last ECW champion for whatever reason. Brinkley bald head Ezekiel Jackson with Justin Gabriel, Wendy's Heath Slater, and Wade Barrett, who is coming off of the Nexus, who's in the corner now, the failure that was next in the corner. They said, let's put these guys in a WrestleMania match. You know what's even worse than that, though? Sitting down in the creative team and saying, what's the best thing we have for Braun Strowman for in the team up with the fucking kid and when the tag title is at WrestleMania. That is worse than that. At least Braun Strowman was a draw. At least Braun Strowman was a draw. That's the best thing they had. That makes it even worse. That makes it even worse. The best thing they had for one of their biggest draws was for him to win the tag team titles with a child at WrestleMania. Nothing can get worse than that, bro. Only for them to give up the tag titles at WrestleMania the next night, bro. I'll tell you what's worse. The core. The core is the worst match that they've ever made. Core is fucking this atrocious. And I got a WrestleMania spot. A child got a WrestleMania spot. For what? Hey, man, Nicholas deserved it over the core. The core was through his shit, bro. At that point, you could have just had a handicap match. I'd rather watch the core. I'd rather watch the core any day. I'd rather watch the core any day than watch Braun Strowman the tag title. Nicholas is a second generation WWE superstar. This man is 10 years old, bro. This man is 10 years old. For what? At least in WrestleMania 34, the world champions when they retain were absolutely fine afterwards. AJ was still AJ when his dad was run. Brock is Brock. Nothing's going to happen to Brock. The Miz was literally doomed from the start when you put him in the middle of a feud between my via bald, ugly, Samoan bitch ass and Cena. The Miz was doomed, but what about the challenges afterwards? Asuka was losing to Carmella after she lost to Charlotte in WrestleMania. Shinsuke bro turned heel and he was getting low blow to every match afterwards. He didn't even have a Divas title match on the card. So what are you talking about? Nobody wanted to see a Divas title match on the card back then. So what did you have a Divas title match? Asuka went from being the most dominant women superstar in the company to losing to Charlotte. And then she lost to Carmella at two paper views in a row. Hey, at least she wasn't the third. At least she wasn't the champion in the third wheel of their old feud. Your United States Championship ended with the winner, ended with the title change. Our United States Championship ended in a no contest in a fucking lumberjack match. All right, all right, time, time, time, time. Not to mention the U.S. champion with General Hall. All right, time, time, time. We didn't have a winner. We didn't have a winner. Former WWE Champion. You said you didn't have a winner. I didn't have a winner. I didn't have a winner. I didn't have a champion that nobody liked. Wait, I don't want to hear. They faced some fantastic boys. This nigga said he's the fucking core. Who the fuck is the core? G, go ahead and announce the winner, bro. Let's go, man. I'm not going to hold you. I'm not going to hold you. That back and forth. Carmella, there's no way they literally sat down. There's no way they literally sat down and sat in. What's the best thing we have for Braun Strowman? Nicholas, let's do it. Nicholas. There's no way that he's there, bro. It's not possible. I swear, I swear they looked at his dad. It was like, bring your son. Bring your son. That's the best thing. You telling me Vince said in a creative room and said, all right, we need something for Braun Strowman. Who is he going to team up with? I have a child. I have a child. Bro, at least y'all had Rhonda Rousey, bro. We have fucking Snooki doing lame. Somebody said the core was just members of the Nexus seeing pumpkin in one. You know what I never understood about 27, how lame it was, is the core had a match. And then with Randy and CM Punk, the Nexus was banned. Bro, you had like two members. This is what WrestleMania was right here. And this is what WrestleMania was right here. Where did I come and go? Where did I come and go? WrestleMania 34, where did I come and go? Yeah, I was like, which one would you rather watch? That's what it was. Bring your kid to work, dude. That's what it was. That's what WrestleMania 34 was. Let's bring your child to work, bro. You remember, you remember? I remember, bro. I'm not just someone else for this debate. I will watch Nicholas team up with Braun to see Snooki on my fucking screen again. I swear to him. At least Nicholas, he was ready to square up. Yeah, I'm not alive. I'm not alive. Nicholas. I'm not alive. This is probably the best debate, because I feel like all your counterpoints each did each other better. And the match was four minutes! The four minutes! Nicholas tagged in. Molly, he tagged in. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Molly, Molly will go crazy. Snooki was three minutes and 16 seconds. Four minutes. It was three minutes. Braun Strowman and Nicholas. He did tag in. Did he really tag in? He did tag in. Yes, he did tag in. He did. He tagged in. He squared up in everything. Hold on. We couldn't even do it already. He was ready to battle, bro. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Are we forgetting? Hold on, hold on. Are we forgetting that Russell made it 27? We had that ugly-ass frog splash. Fuck it. Vicki Guerrero did. No, that was 26. No, that was 26. That was 26. That was 26. You're mixing your bad name. Well, I'm gonna go. Kids, I'm bugger-line. This was great. By the way, by the way, Jinder Mahal won the U.S. title over. Bobby Roode and Randy Orton. We didn't have a mid-card title match, bro. We didn't have a single mid-card title match. We had one. Where was the outside tag? Okay, okay, hey, this is, hey, this is... We can talk about it at A. We can talk about it at A. We could talk about it after, because, you know, apparently, we need to put more energy into slandering other things. So we could talk about those two manias. Equal opportunity slanders. Look, you would have... However, I love all the points y'all made. Malik, you... I will say... Because, okay, so the winner was 27. Malik, y'all almost had it, though. And the reason why, when you said having a good build-up and then not meeting those, like, a great build-up and being excited and not meeting those expectations, I was like, yeah, that's tough. And then, I'm not gonna lie, Nate. You kind of secured it when you went down the matches. And then you mentioned, at least they had, like, at least 34 had good matches, but bad finishes. There was not a single good match under the Undertaker Triple H on that 27th part. Now, Sam Punk and Randy was cool. Sam Punk and Randy was cool. But, like... We could have put that on Rado. That was a great RKO. Yeah, that was a great RKO. But, like, we... And I think they had a good build as well. But when you look at 34, yeah, there was definitely some good matches, just bad decisions. It was kind of like night two of this past mania. Good matches. And that's your favorite night. Not as bad, but... It's your favorite night, though. Oh, believe me! Like, definitely not as good. Good night two yet. Have we had a really good night two yet? Which is good decision. Oh, this year. This year. You haven't had a yet. Yeah, this year. But one thing I will say, I don't care. Malik. I don't care what anybody says. It was terrible for Lex. Watch your mouth. Charlotte beating Austin was the end of the world. Charlotte beat Austin. Yeah, I know it was not. Damn. We were... It took her a while, but she recovered. Mo, mo, mo, mo, mo, mo. It took her a while, but she recovered. No, no, no, no. You wanna know why I don't think she recovered? Look. The fans cheer her, but they cheer Liv Morgan. So that doesn't mean that much. Oh, here we go. Here we go. Gee, gee, here's what I say. I don't think... Hold up. I don't think... Wait, wait, wait, wait. Because here's the thing, though. Because Oscar, Malik said at first, she lost. And then all of a sudden, she couldn't beat Carmella. That was the first thing. The second thing, bro, you say she recovered. No, she didn't. And here's why. Hey, she beat Becky Lynch. The only reason she beat her is because they needed an excuse to get her in a rumble. Then once she beat her, once she beat her, what did she do after that? Lost to Charlotte. Again, again, again, again. I think, in my opinion, I don't think... She lost to Rhea Ripley when Rhea Ripley was still wearing a blonde short bob. Rhea Ripley pulled up and said, I'm fighting you at Mania. She was like, okay. And lost, and lost. I remember that was the Mania where Charlotte couldn't beat... Rhea Ripley and Oscar were literally the last match on the card. They were the bite-off form. I think, in my opinion, I don't think the loss was the beginning of the end for Oscar. I feel like the way she lost it. If Charlotte would have just did a natural selection, and then they did a one, two, three, but Oscar's foot was on the rope, and then you lead that to the next pay-per-view, I don't think anybody would bat an eye. But it's the fact she tapped out when she looked like a bitch. She tapped out. Did Oscar even get a rematch? No, because Carmella just lost to Carmella. Okay, thanks. Come on, man. All right, so the rest of the... And then she can be Carmella. But I feel like it's the way she lost. If they did a natural selection, and then they put her foot on the bottom rope, and then that leads to whatever. And then she started getting the roll-up. You can always go on WWE. I hate when WWE says, we don't like these. So anytime you're getting a submission, you just get rolled up every time. They were doing that with Samoa Joe for the longest, and they did it with Shane Baszler. And I can't stand it. I think Xavier Woods won most of his matches from 2020 to 2023. Backwoods all day. Oh, yeah, the wrong guy. He got so over. He went on Twitter, made a compilation. He said it's official, guys. The backwoods. Okay, G1? G1? Oh, WrestleMania 27. So you guys... I've been trying to contain myself the entire debate. And I was doing my best to help the 34 out. But goddamn it, I hit 27. So at one time, at one time, I begged my mom for weeks to let me buy 27. Weeks! No! She said, okay. She said, you come by each. But don't ask me again. I got it. I'm all excited. We have rocks in there yapping. Is that patty on time for the longest time? Just saying absolutely fucking nothing. And I love The Rock, but he was saying absolutely nothing. And then... You love him? Forget all the little... That's not the point. The core. That's all I'm going to say. The core. Hey, they had a fire theme. Michael Cole. Yeah, yes they did. Yeah, Michael Cole and Jerry Lawler. For 30 minutes, a guy who has washed, and another guy who has never wrestled in his life. Hey, don't forget Jack Swagger was there too. Jack Swagger's face is on the screen. That's all I'm going to say. I'm all American-Americans. Don't go with the refs. Don't go with the refs. Don't go with the refs. I will just say, I will just say, real quick, I just want to say before we move on, there are things from each episode that stick with me that we do of this show that I think of later and laugh. What I'm going to be thinking of later, later, but trying to go to sleep, is Malik's going to pop in and go, I have a child. Before we move on, I just want to point something out. This is a real photo, right? This is a real photo. He can't even hold up the title, bro. He can't even hold the fucking title. It's a real photo. I ain't going to lie, Malik, if you would have put that photo up, y'all probably would have won. I'm not going to hold you. He can't even hold up the title, bro. Come on, man. Hold on, before we go Ross, for clip purposes, what is your least favorite mania of all time, man? Least favorite mania. We was making a great point for 34 to argue that. By the way, 27, 34, they're kind of equal to me, so I don't really have a... I'm going to still go with 27, because I ain't going to lie to you. Michael Cole was fucking insufferable. That whole... Raw General Manager comes in and lets him win the match off DQ, and then you have the Rock come in when Miz and Cena win by fucking... It's double count out. You have Rock come in and yell at a fucking laptop. He comes in and yell at a laptop. Oh, my God, bro. I might have to watch 27 for the memes, bro. I'm not at all. Rock, bottom, Cena, just for Mr. Round noise. I can customize. I get yelled at because I'm upset. He was pretty upset. I'm like, why are you complaining? Why are you complaining? I want that question of your mind. No, no, no. What are you running? I will always defend. I will always defend. I swear if they knew Edge was going to retire, Del Rio would have won that title. I genuinely believe Del Rio. I am the only Del Rio fan. I'm still glad that never happened. For my sake, I am so happy. I don't care. I'll have my two-day reign. I don't care. I'm glad it happened. I just hate that he cashed in on Sia Punk. That's it. I'm going to say the worst money is number nine. To me, it's just bad because Del Rio. No, no, I got to say rest of me. Let it rest of me. Let it rest of me. But it's just so bad because regardless how you feel about Del Rio, that's not the point I'm trying to make. The man won the biggest world rumble match ever. And you barely gave him a little over 10 minutes. I'm sorry. That was a Braun Strowman. Greatest world rumble, 50 minutes. Thank you. That was Don Cannon. That was Don Cannon. That was Mickey Mouse. That was Don Cannon. You know what I'm saying? That's the biggest world rumble ever, bro. That's Mickey Mouse, though. And we can agree Del Rio's real peak was when he beat Big Show in that last man standing match, right? We can agree on that. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Because that was when- It should have been. It should have been when he was the WWE champion, but you know, they did that. That shit was Ms. Fuck, bro. Yeah, because he cashed in on him. I promised him and nobody else. Hey, is that in your top five cashins? Hey, I'm not gonna go- Hey, Nate, you seen that thing, someone? His personal ring announcer? Goosebumps every time. Goosebumps every time. I did that. I did that for my skit, bro. My arm, damn, near red and shake. No, no, no, my arm, my arm. My arm. My arm. My arm, my arm. Question, is Alberto Del Rio in your top five cashins of all time? Top two. Worst. What? My God. Oh, he's a- Oh, he's a- Oh, he's a- Oh, so dog Ziggler's cashins number one in the CF Punk getting cashed in as number two. Love it. Love it. Love it. Lucky same thing cashin' on love Ziggler. Side note before we move on, because I know we still got two of the questions. All right, because I meant to say this last time. You know what? To me, still makes zero sense. The fact that AJ Styles couldn't be Chris Jericho at Mania in his debut. Oh, Fandango could. Yeah, that's- Hey, man, Fandango could. Dirty dango. Dirty dango, man. Dirty dango's a bigger TNA legend than AJ Styles. I'd be kind of one cook with you on that, because it made no sense. It made no sense that AJ Styles lost to Chris Jericho just for AJ Styles the next night to win the number one contendership to face Roman Reigns. I fucking pay back for the title. That makes sense. That makes me- It made zero sense. And then you wrote off Sami Zayn in that storyline for whatever fucking reason. You know what? At least it wasn't this, bro. At least it- At least it- All right. He agrees. All right. All right. He agrees. All right, bro. He agreed. Jay and Nate. This is a real foot. I can't make this up. This is a real photo. This is real. I can't make it up. This nigga's holding it backwards. At least Khali held it upside down. He held it- Put it down in the head. Don't get stuck. Don't get me stuck. That man is- All right, bro. That's the Kwame Brown of that era. Oh my God. You keep saying he's the Kwame Brown, but you're not mentioning my via. He's 100% the Kwame Brown. No, bro. The hatred, bro. The hatred's great. All right. So, Nate, Lewis, and Jay, y'all have your options. Nate and Jay, what are you comfortable with? You guys are either- If Becky Lips doesn't win a mania, who would you guys pick to beat her? And if you could take one person from AEW to W. What's that second one? I want to do that second one. The AEW one? Yeah. I mean, Nate, are you all right with it? Once again, if you guys just to- Which one? Which one we doing? Yeah. AEW. AEW. AEW. Which personal thing? Again. What you going to type, Jay? I know we talked about a meme, but I don't know. Hey, L1 Lopez. Tony, let me pick that. L1 Lopez, or however you say it. Hey, man, pretty deadly just ain't had the time yet, man. I don't know. Fandango, the fashion files, was they walk so that pretty deadly can run. Pretty deadly was getting momentum before Elton Prince got hurt. He didn't get him a major moment. Matter of fact, where have they been? Did they get hurt again? They haven't- His shoulder's still been fucked, bro. He got really- So, ever since the match with- When Pete Dunn got his name back, he got his shuttle hood again. Pretty much. Oh, my God, man. Come on. But before they got hurt, they put on a really great match with Sammy Zayn and Kevin Owens. Yeah, facts. I love Pretty Deadly. I wasn't a fan of their theme song when they first changed it because I still get PTSD. Anytime someone comes up to the main roster and they change their theme song, I get nervous because it's like, I've seen you do it before, but pretty deadly, I'm not gonna lie. How y'all feel about that, just to be on the safe side? I like- Wait, hold on. I almost said Pretty- Pretty zesty? Y'all wild, bro. You haven't seen a vision, just say that, man. No. This is pretty zesty. Crazy. Oh, yeah. You know what? Zesty, let's ban. Get that ass banned. I'm playing. I ain't banning it yet. Compare the rock to Kwame Brown. It's crazy. All right, I feel you. I feel you, Nate. Moe, you're a Kareem fan. Relax. I'm okay with it. You- Are we- No, no, no. I'm not- Fuck. We all play for him. We could say that he has more room to rise up or is the other guys- I'm cool if y'all do that. That was the first name both of y'all agreed on. So if you guys want to do that, I'm all right with it. Nate, you want to kick us off? Don't use this. Oh, yeah. Let me know when y'all are there. I'm the time. Yeah, I can. If y'all want me to kick off, I can. Go ahead, Nate. You didn't kick off yet. All right, man. All right, man. Whenever. Five, four, three, two, one, go. Rick the Pimp, you know what I'm saying? Rick starts, you know what I'm saying? I mean, besides Edge, I mean, Edge kind of said it. You know what I'm saying? He's the rock, pretty much. But he's got a lot of charisma. He reminds me of the rock as far as charisma. I know you don't like the rock moves, but he's got a lot of charisma. He's got a lot of fashion. He can talk on the mic. He can roast your favorite wrestler. And he is WWE through and through. I mean, you just look at him. You just, in a WWE, he's done some great things. But in WWE, I think he could do better. I feel like that's an environment that is better fit for him that's more sports entertainment. He can talk more because we know WWE tends to focus more on promos. And that's Ricky's strongest, that's his strongest attribute is his promos. So, and plus he can go in the ring. We all know he can go in the ring. And if you, you know, put him down in NXT, put him in a promo with Mello. Oh my God, that promo will go crazy. Put him in a program with Trick. Put him in a match with Dragunov. I will pray for Ricky. I will pray for him. But that match will go crazy. I mean, and you move him up to the main roster, he have a few with LA Night. I mean, just imagine the promos him and LA Night will have. And I just feel like ever since he lost the titles, Hell, honestly, ever since he won the title, I feel like they're just buying time before his contract is up, before he goes to WWE anyway. Because you look at him, he's just a WWE. He's a WWE guy. To piggyback off what you said, I really want to touch up on promos because I think everybody here, especially when it comes to AEW, I think everybody has MJF as a top three Mike Worker. I personally feel like the only two times I've ever seen MJF be put in a box, one was from CM Punk, the other was from Ricky Starks after Ricky Starks won the Battle Royale. Ricky Starks put MJF in a box. And when I mean in a box, I'm not talking about flaming him. I'm talking about leaving him completely speechless. Didn't know what to say. And if you can make MJF speechless to the point where he doesn't know what to say afterwards and he has to go off script and kick you in the nuts to keep the segment going, then that shows that you're really a raw motherfucker on the mic. Because only two people have done that in AEW history. And that's CM Punk and Ricky Starks. And like we said, when it comes to WWE, I look at two components that are the main attributes when it comes to WWE. That's character work and that's Mike Worker. And Ricky Starks has both. Ricky Starks has both. So you put him in WWE, he's gonna excel on the Mike Worker. And we see his best comparison when it comes to WWE is LA Knight. He is literally, he would literally be LA Knight. Charismatic can work on the Mike. And honestly, when it comes to in ring, he's a little bit better in ring than LA Knight. So you give Ricky Starks the time, the potential that he has is through the roof. Let's go ahead, Jake. We thought about going with an obvious answer, right? Of like, a Will Ospreay, a Kenny Omega, someone who's gonna come in and immediately provide dream match content, right? You think about Kenny Omega versus Seth Rollins or Roman Reigns versus Will Ospreay and it seems chills up your spine. But the thing about Ricky Starks and the point where he's at in his career is I think the scary thing about Ricky Starks and how good he is, is that I don't think he's gotten anywhere near his ceiling yet. I think Ospreay and Omega are pretty much there. And they're two of the best in the world. But I don't think a ladder, I think a move to WWE for either of them would be lateral. I don't think they would be improving going one way or the other. More in Starks. If you let him go over to NXT and just run ship for a couple of years, have a dominant Adam Cole style NXT championship reign and then move him up into a Money in the Bank winner. Ricky Starks is what Austin Theory fans want Austin Theory to be and more. Ricky Starks is everything that people want Austin Theory to be. But unfortunately, as time is now proving, Austin Theory, when he's on screen, there's just something missing there. And say what you want about Ricky Starks and his booking in AEW. I don't think you can look at Ricky Starks and what he's done. And say anything is missing. But if you take him from the small pond of AEW, plug him into WWE. Oh my God, you have got a star immediately. 30 seconds. I also feel like to Ricky Starks. Take this however you want to take it. But Ricky Starks has also shown to elevate championships with the limited amount of time that he's able to do. When it through the FTW title on him, Brian Cage completely killed it because Brian Cage is a charisma vacuum and the booking of the FTW title wasn't good. But in the beginning of that run before Ricky Starks got hurt and he just kept the title on him, Ricky Starks was actually putting on really good matches and he was actually making that title worth the fuck more than the TNT title at the time. Also, Chris Jericho. All right, that's it. Also, Brian Cage, I don't know why he's still wrestling. He's a very good wrestler. Just that's where it stops. That's it. You know who that sounds like? Brent Hart. Well, we won't talk about that right now. Oh, people on top. Are you ready? Let's go. All right, five minutes on the clock. Three, two, one, go. So we chose MJF. I think MJF, for me, I think MJF's appeal is that you can plug him into any situation and he works. And the thing is we can't, like, we never know exactly if he's in character or not. The man is perfect at keeping K-fabe. He's a great heel and that's how I would bring him in personally. And he's a pretty good face as well, right? Great storyteller. And the thing is people have said that he's a TV merchant, a TV 14 merchant, right? False. If MJF is as good as everyone says he is on the mic, which I think he is at level, MJF could come in right now. The greats will adjust to any situation. That's what the greats do. And we already know he's a great in-ring performer, right? He unpunks over there. Their story is not done. That's unfinished business. You can continue that right there. No, fair point, fair point. I'm definitely, you know, with the MJF thing, I think what works for him and especially he fits sports entertainment more than people want to recognize in AEW because at the end of the day, he's telling you the story. He gets you to buy into the match. He makes you want to see it. That's why he doesn't have to do all the flips and dives and all this other stuff because wrestling has been predicated on making you feel something. Whether you hate him, whether you love him, he makes you caring. You're invested in his words. Once you got someone invested in just your words, everything else is kind of subjective at that point. Yeah, the match may be good, but people will have expectations for it to be somewhat good because of you already got them in the seats. So I already know if you're able to bring him over, yeah, it doesn't have to be TV14. I think he still will be able to provide. We've seen great promo segments and they haven't been TV14 because you care about what they're saying. You believe what they're saying and you're invested. So I think instantly whenever he finished up in NAEW, I do see him coming over to AWE because I already know for a fact that the stories that he can tell with CM Punk, with Cody, with Hell, you can have him in a back and forth with Paul Heyman in a backstage segment. I've heard about you, like the stuff that they can go off on. There's cinema and you don't have to teach that with him because he already has that knowledge. Like my guy here said about Austin Theory, some of these things he's busy, but with MJF, you can just kind of plug and play him into a situation and he'll fit right in only because he's so good and just at the promos, at the wrestling. He already has that full package at such a young age. I think he fits in the WWE system more than people want to realize. You just take off all the extra cursive. For the most part, he still works. Yeah, I mean, I feel like you put MJF in WWE. He can match up with anybody. He can match anybody on promos. He can have good matches, anybody on the roster. I know people always want to talk about, well, he wouldn't be able to cut the edgier type promos that he cuts in AEW and everything, but he doesn't really have to. I think that would show more of his character and bring more charisma out of him for him to adapt to WWE style. You know what I mean? A lot of people was always comparing him to The Miz, saying that he was like The Miz in AEW and stuff like that, but you put MJF up against The Miz, he could really go toe-to-toe with The Miz and maybe cook The Miz on the mic if he really wanted to. I mean, not saying that he would, but MJF, I feel like, has the embodiment of WWE superstar winning stream total package. He has the character to work. He stays in character all the time. He can cut promos. He can have good matches with your mid-carders, with your main event talents. He can obviously be an attack team. He's already approved that as well with Adam Cole, so he can do every aspect you could ask for within WWE. It's all about adapting to the system, which I think he would adapt to very well, not to mention, you know, we all know the backstory of him growing up as a huge WWE fan. So I think he would fit very well in there. I think Triple H would do tremendous things with him. I think he would instantly want to make him one of the top stars by building him up in the proper manner to make him one of the top stars in the company. So I think MJF would be a perfect fit with WWE. Gee, they called you Delo Brown. I know. It's not new. All right, 30 seconds, guys. All right, you guys done. Yeah, we can go ahead and rebuttal. All right. Okay. The, I agree with everything you guys said with MJF. The only issue with MJF coming to WWE is he would just be another number. WWE has so many stars right now that someone of MJF's caliber would be wasted in WWE right now. He would easily be overshadowed by Roman Reigns, easily overshadowed by Cody Rhodes. Not even, it's because on the pecking order of the booking, you're going to put Cody above MJF. You're going to put Roman above MJF. You're going to put Gunther above MJF, the way you've been building Gunther up. There's no room for MJF. It would be his detriment to go to WWE as of right now. As of right now, him stepping into WWE, it'd be a detriment to his character and to his value as a superstar. MJF should be the face of whatever company he steps in. And he's not going to be the face of WWE. He might be the face of NXT, but that's too low for MJF. Ricky Starks, you put him in NXT, easily the face of NXT right there. Him and Dragunov can have a few, they can go off. He keep Dragunov can go to main roster. Ricky Starks can do that. Because MJF right now is a level above MJF. He's levels above. MJF's levels above Ricky as of right now. Ricky has a higher, he has a ceiling that he needs to punch through. As MJF, he is that star. And you cannot put him right now next to the caliber of stars that you have in WWE. Because that is to me, a waste of his talent and his potential. He needs to be the face, the centerpiece of whatever company that he's in. You put him in WWE. I'm sorry, there's too many guys that they've already established. And it's going to take a little bit more time for him to be that guy. When he walks in, he should be that guy. If he walks into WWE tomorrow, he's not going to be that guy. All right, let me counter that point. I would agree with you if this was Vince McMahon era. This is not Vince McMahon era. So this is why things are different when you bring in talent. Because I feel like I trust more of what they would do with MJF. Of course, obviously, you know, more of the casual fans will know who Cody is. They'll know who Roman is. Obviously that's cool. But the same thing would be with Ricky. He would have to ultimately get to that point regardless of where you put him in NXT on the main roster. I think with MJF, I think you put him there in that situation because for the simple fact that I think he will get people to care. They will book him in situations where people will actually care. Because regardless, bringing in someone new that other hardcore wrestling fans may know, you're going to always have to build them up. You're going to take some time. But I don't think it's going to take MJF too long because of his charisma and how he comes off in his storytelling and the views that they can have with the people they have now. You put him in a situation to revitalize that feud with CM Punk. People are going to buy into it. People are going to buy into it because of the person he's going into. But now people are going to be listening into what this new up-and-comer, even though we know who he is. But the casual fan, like, who is this guy? Oh, shit, he going toe-to-toe with CM Punk. He going toe-to-toe with Roman Reigns. He's going toe-to-toe with Cody Rhodes. Oh, they have some history? Oh, damn, what's going on here? Now you have them interested because you already put them with a top-tier talent. And now that talent is going to do what they can to bring them up. But I think they automatically... I think he'll just be able to adjust a little bit easier. It wouldn't take him long. So, two things to that real quick. Sorry, to kind of emphasize what Nate is saying, I think that in this case, comparing these two situations, NJF's success is kind of a hindrance. Because, again, you can't bring NJF over and put him in NXT. But you also can't bring NJF over and put him immediately into the world title picture. So, there's kind of this conundrum where, as Ricky starts, it's still kind of this raw project almost. And putting him in NXT actually makes sense. And then we're talking about, oh, bring NJF over because there's all these existing storylines. So, we want to bring NJF over so we can rehash the past. Which is exactly the thing that we've told WWE time and time again. We do not want. We don't want to rehash the past. We want fresh matchups. We want fresh stories. We want to look towards who is carrying the company into the future. We don't want to look at the things that have happened already. But now we're asking them to bring NJF over and do exactly what we don't want them to do. Let's rehash CM Punk and let's rehash all this stuff. There's just so much more room to grow and there's so much more new stuff to do with Ricky starts. And Ricky hasn't done anything in his promos. He hasn't slapped a drink at anybody's hand. He hasn't spit in a kid's direction or whatever. He hasn't done any of these things that makes me think that what he does can't be easily translated to WWE. And with NJF, there's always going to be that question. Now, rather or not, you want to believe that his talent is going to trump that. That's obviously your opinion. But he has to prove it. And I don't think Starks has that roadblock in the way. So before I make a rebuttal, I've got to point something out. So I don't know if people are throwing super chats in the chat. So if you donate money, do not put any money in the chat because we aren't reading comments for this episode. This isn't a read comments podcast. We're having debate discussions for people to engage in stuff. That's what this podcast is for. So if you're throwing out money in the chat, we ain't going to be looking at the chat for the super chats. Okay. We appreciate the donations, but this isn't one of those chats where we're looking at people's questions and stuff like that. We're having debates so people can engage and put their two cents in as well. So we're really focused on the debates. We're not really looking at most of the chats and stuff. So I just wanted to point that out because I'm looking at in the chat, and I didn't even know there were being donations in the chat. So I saw somebody point that out. So if you're making donations, we appreciate it. But we're not really looking at the chat to read super chats for this particular episode. Now, any other episode will be different. But right now, we're just really doing debates as far as for people to engage in what the topics we're talking about. So now- If we got time, we'll read it after if we have time. Yeah, if we got- Like we normally do. So to point out, to go back to Nick's point, he brought up that if MJF were to come in, he would kind of be overshadowed, which could be true, could not be true. But I just want to point out, they said the same thing about Cody Rose when he came back to WWE. A lot of people we really didn't know what the expectations were for Cody when he left AW because he was in an executive position of a higher power. And if you look back two years ago, how many of us really would have said that Cody Rose is going back to another main event of WrestleMania against the biggest star in the company? I don't think anybody ever saw those expectations for Cody Rose. Granted, they already knew who Cody Rose was in WWE because he was a WWE guy. But most people didn't know Cody Rose as the American nightmare Cody Rose. They only knew him as Stardust the last time they saw him. So most people, there's still people who think Cody Rose is mid right now because most of them didn't see the journey that he went on outside of WWE. So they never saw what he did to build himself up as that main event caliber guy outside of the company. So I think it really all goes to booking. Yeah, you have Gunther, Roman Ranges there whenever he shows up. You have Seth Rollins there. You have, you know, CM Punk is back now. So they have all these other top guys, but I think MJF would mesh very well. Granted, he wouldn't be the face of the WWE. I don't think he would be labeled as the face maybe like he is in AEW. So you break up a good point with that. But I think he fits in very well with WWE system. I think he has great fused with top guys like CM Punk, like Cody Rose. I think Treblech is a storytelling type person. He understands the history between the guys. He listens to people and he understands, okay, you guys had a little thing over here. Let's bring that to over here and let's tell the story here, but WWE, but let's make a little bit different. And like Rob said, when they talk about promos and they talk about, oh, they're saying stuff about happened back then. And well, people are gonna, people are always asking us, you know, when we make content, well, you know, what happened with this? Can you make a video on that? Because some people may not have sold it. So if they're hearing MJF talk about, you know, him and Punk having their history, okay, let me go back to AEW clips and let me look at, oh, now I understand the story aspect and where they're going. So I think it really all just matters of where they positioned him and where they booked him. And I trust Treblech to do more of that than I would have evented. If this was 10, if this was five years ago, then I would have been on both with you guys. I would have been like, nah, I don't really with that. But they said the same thing about Cody when he came back. And now a lot of people really thought Cody was going to be pushed the way he's been pushed. So if I may, real quick, real quick, real quick. So if I may, I saw both Ricky Starks and MJF's rises in AEW. The one thing that I can really say that Ricky Starks would excel a little bit more on than MJF is the time. Because when you're a new superstar coming into the WWE, the time that they give you, you're not going to get a whole bunch of time. The time that they were given MJF, they were giving him very solid six, seven, eight-minute promos. When Ricky Starks was starting in AEW, they gave him maybe two minutes max. Ricky Starks got over on two-minute promos while it took MJF a very long time for him to get over on eight-minute promos. Not not not discrediting MJF's mic work, but that's what I saw in my observation that Ricky Starks was able to pull off less or was able to pull off more with less. So I feel like if both of them go into the WWE and they have the same opportunities, like LA Night is the perfect example. LA Night was given maybe one minute of mic work at a time and he was able to make that work. And I personally feel like Ricky Starks, with the situation he was in in AEW, he would be able to do that and capitalize on that more than MJF possibly could. Because I think we're all assuming that MJF goes to WWE and he's just going to be this big star right out of the gate. We don't know that, but hypothetically in this scenario that I'm thinking of, if they just go in the same way I'm thinking of, like the way how LA Night was, they get a minute or two of mic time. I think Ricky Starks is going to excel in that more than MJF because MJF needs those long promos for him to really get over while Ricky Starks is giving him two minutes and he's going to work it. Time. Alrighty, we got about, we almost had the two hour march. So I'll give my answer and explain why. Obviously, I think this has been a very even debate all across, but I am going to give the slight edge to MJF only because the main part that really won me over because I was really rocking with the Ricky Starks. Y'all brought up Cody Rhodes coming in and seeing what he could do. And I think that kind of shows me, like MJF could do the same. And then Lewis, even though you brought up great points that Ricky Starks did do more or less, I feel like MJF, even though he wasn't exact same as Cody, because Cody had a higher position in the company, I feel like Cody and MJF are both similar in the way they like to get their stories across, where they can't do it in one minute and two. And just in my opinion, I feel like even with that MJF, if Cody could be as big, I feel like if Cody could be as big as he is now, I feel like MJF could do the exact same just here. Now he won't be the face because right now it's still Roman. And maybe Cody can be the face after he wins a Mania. But so I definitely think he wouldn't be the face when he got there. And I, and I also do agree with Nate that like Ricky Starks, I think especially if you put him in NXT, he can easily be main event quicker and probably catch on both Cody guys to like exactly, exactly. But I think MJF, I think MJF, if he came to WWE, he would, he wouldn't win anything like off the rip, but he definitely kind of did the same as AEW run, but it wouldn't take his long for him to get to the world title. All right. So we're going to the last one, which I'm not a lie. I'm really looking forward to see what your answers are, because I don't even, I don't even know the answer to this. I don't even know the answer to this. So it is 2-2 right now. And the final question, if Becky Lynch does not win at WrestleMania, who would you book to be the one to dethrone Rhea Ripley? Just open-ended. I don't care who you pick. If you argue it as well as you can, you guys are getting that win. Because I'm not a lie. I don't even know who I would pick. I'm not a lie. I know. You know what I mean? So who are we believing on, Nate? I think we already have our answers. So I mean, I'm not a lie. All right. If you guys are ready to go. So we talked. So just for the sake of this argument, like we're just supposed to convince you, right? Like we're sort of like... Like are we supposed to hype this person up and milk it as much as we can? Look, I am not going to tell you how to argue your point, but I will say the goal is, like for example, let's just say for this first thing of argument, somebody picks Charlotte and the other person picks Bianca, right? Let's just say just for sake of argument, you guys need to argue why that person beating Rhea Ripley would be the better option than anybody else. So you guys are basically like, I know it's the whole women's division. We got it. We got it. We got it. We got it. We got it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We should go with that, then. All right. So I'm like, no, that's off though. That's risky, but I'm with it. I'm going to start off. So I'm going to start off. So who are we going to choose? You could pick other options because the superstar really may not need it because she's already been solidified, but we're going to go Bianca Belair, but he'll Bianca Belair. So a lot of us have been waiting for Bianca versus Rhea to happen because most of us thought we were going to get it last year. It didn't get to happen. We thought we was going to get it a while back afterwards that too. And if you look at that promo Bianca had on SmackDown, it was kind of, I guess you say, out of the ordinary that she had where she was kind of trash in damage control. Usually though, Bianca was like, be more understanding, but it kind of seemed like she kind of bringing out the mean persona. You know what I mean? Somebody who beats Rhea needs to be a dominant force, right? And we think there are some people out there who are going to say one person and you could say that one person, but she hasn't really done much yet to really show I think a lot of us that she's that right option. You know what I mean? But if you do a Bianca Belair, but as he'll Bianca, now you have Bianca with a different persona. She's already dominant. She's proven she could be a dominant baby face. She had a dominant run as baby face champion. We haven't seen her have a dominant run as CEO champion ever because she never won the NXT championship when she was the heel and she wasn't presented as a heel on the main roster. She was instantly thrown as a baby face. So we've never really seen that persona. And a lot of people I think have been waiting for Bianca to flip that switch and turn heel because I think a lot of people are dragged out with the baby face version of Bianca. Bianca and Rhea is inevitable to happen. I mean, after Rhea, if she beats Becky, she's unbeaten all the top people on Raw. You know what I mean? She's not smoked everybody. We all assume maybe there's going to be a little draft because they do kind of a little bit of a draft, you know, every every year. If they end up doing the draft and you throw Bianca on Raw, we haven't seen Bianca and Rhea yet. That's a fresh new matchup. Like I said, somebody who beats Bianca needs to be somebody at least somebody who beats Rhea. At least it needs to be somebody dominant and believable. You can make a new star out of somebody else if they were to beat them because Bianca doesn't need to be made a new star. She's already solidified. But as far as from a storyline perspective, as far as somebody who's believable, I think he'll Bianca screams all the categories you're looking for. Yeah, definitely. I agree with your points. Like how you mentioned talking about her kind of bringing out more of that heel like persona, even though it's justified what happened with her with damage control. But the reason why I feel like that fits only because Rhea is going to be a face. There's nothing we can do about that. They have her in a heel gimmick, but she's a face where she's by herself. People are going to cheer her. People are going to cheer mommy. So there's nothing we can do about that. So WWE most likely will start to play that up as time goes along because she's just overwhelmingly popular. So to counteract that, I think someone that's always been booked as a baby face on the main roster slowly start to dissent. Not because they just want to be a bad person because it makes sense. And they can really play off the fact that Bianca feels some type of way because, hey, wait a minute, I've been here. I have more accolades. I've been doing all this other stuff. And people come at me with bullshit, kind of play up to the realism what's been going on on social media. Y'all be coming at me. I've been carrying this company on my fucking back. And then everywhere I go, I hear motherfuckers chant mommy, but I know I'm better than her. So you know what? Let's go that route. I'm going to show you why I'm better than her and maybe have her do heel like things to get that heat going. And I think that would be a better route than to just have, you know, saying, it be like a face of Bianca because I don't think that's going to work. So anything you have, Moe? Yeah, y'all kind of stole all my points, but it's all good. I'll make it work. I think this match, the Rhea Bianca match, I'm glad that they've saved it, you know, because heel Bianca brings a different dynamic than we would have expected, right? Rhea Ripley's already getting over. She's going to be a baby face. She kind of already is. She's like on the fence, right? I think her and Bianca face, Rhea the face, Bianca the heel brings, it gives you something more to do than like the obvious, you know what I'm saying? All right, y'all got it. All right, Nate, let's bring out the big guns, Nate. All right, all right. Y'all got a minute. Do y'all want to add to it? I just feel good. Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. Well, to expound on that, you can still, now you have that dynamic. You have people invested more in booing Bianca. Then you can set up a jade and Bianca few because that's obviously what they're heading down the line. But two baby faces in the situation, it's not going to really be as integral and as interesting as it would be if you have that heel and face dynamic, especially someone that's taken down Rhea Ripley. Obviously she will probably cheat or do something to that extent. But anybody beating Rhea obviously going to get a lot more heel heat off top. And I think he'll, Bianca makes the most sense too because Bianca's had a big downfall ever since she lost the title to Oscar. She hasn't been able to propel back. She was used to dominating and winning for a whole year as the champion, as a top face. And then when she lost, she hasn't really been able to get back up to that top. So maybe she needs to feel like, you know, I need to do something different. Hey, for those of us. Oh, go ahead, go ahead. No, y'all, dude. All right. Lewis, Nate. Shout out to Jade. Jade had to do something to Jade. Shout out to Jade, shout out to Jade, yeah. So you want to talk about someone dominant. You want to talk about someone who is believable. I believe the person to be thrown, Rhea Ripley is Shayna Baszler. Shayna Baszler, obviously. The history they have. The history they have in NXT is my main reason for this because Rhea is the one to be thrown. Shayna, who was at the time, the most dominant NXT champion we've seen since Oscar. And I think ever since then, Shayna has fallen down the card slowly, but surely has fallen down the card. And Shayna can say that is the reason. You are the reason. You, Rhea, you're the reason. Because while you ascended, I descended. I think that would be a fantastic story for Shayna to tell. And Shayna is believable because she beat Ronda Rousey. The match fucking sucked, but she beat Ronda Rousey. You have the Elimination Chamber. You have her history in the Royal Rumble. Shayna Baszler fighting Rhea Ripley. That is a believable fight. That is a believable person I can see choking out Rhea Ripley. Not just painting her. She can choke Rhea Ripley to fuck out in the middle of the ring and hold that Women's World Championship. I think Shayna Baszler is the perfect choice to do Rhea Ripley. And as to what Nate was saying, you guys mentioned Bianca. I mean, that would obviously bring Bianca up a lot more. To me, if Shayna Baszler goes out there and beats Rhea Ripley, that'll be one of the most shocking wins of all time. And on top of that, you created another major star within your Women's Division that really needs some serious depth. And on top of that, if you make Shayna Baszler defeat Rhea Ripley, you can have Shayna Baszler go on a tear. The same way that she did on her NXT run. And on top of that, if you watch Shayna Baszler's NXT run, she is a star maker. Completely elevated Kyrie Sane. Completely helped elevate Rhea Ripley to where she is now. Shayna Baszler throughout her entire run. As a star maker, we can even bring up Bianca Belair if you want to. Bianca Belair doesn't get the spotlight in NXT the way that she did if it wasn't for Shayna Baszler and her dominance. So Shayna Baszler beating Rhea Ripley, it solidifies her as a major player within the Women's Division. Go ahead, Nate. Yeah, and I don't want to hear anybody talk about age, because LA Knight, Damian Priest, I don't want to hear anybody talk about age when we talking about putting people as rising stars. I don't want to hear about that. And you can rebuild Shayna. It's so easy to rebuild Shayna. Oh my God, Triple H, bro. Triple H, look at me, bro. You are not clarity's accusation, bro. You cannot book Shayna Baszler for shit on a main roster. It is so easy. You just have her go to the ring and choke. Just choke them out. Choke people out. That's all you have to do. It is so simple. I do not know the issue. Literally, after Summer Slam, she beat Rhonda. That match should have been two-minute stops. That match was terrible. That match shouldn't have gone that long. Hey, I will. But after that, yeah, I was there. That match sucked. The lady behind me legitimately was asleep. That match sucked. But Shayna Baszler should have gone on a tear. It's so easy. It's so easy to book Shayna Baszler as a dominant force. She just chokes people out. It's literally, I don't understand how hard that is. It's simple. She goes in the ring. She chokes people out. That's it. It's easy. It's so easy to build Shayna Baszler back up. Oh my God. Not to mention, Shayna Baszler, in my opinion, is one of WWE's best women storytellers that they have that they haven't even utilized. For, I believe, for four to five months straight, Shayna Baszler did a storyline with Ember Moon and carried it out for the rest of her title run with just a broken shoulder. She told a story about breaking people's arms and it started with Dakota Kai. It started with Ember Moon. And then it went to Shayna Baszler having to set back on herself when Ember Moon fucking broke her shoulder. Did the same thing to Ember Moon again. She four to five months told a story about just breaking people's shoulders. And then on top of that, one of the main storytellings I want to talk about was her feudal Bianca. Bianca was talking about she was the EST. Shayna Baszler walked in there and said, I'm the best. What happened when we went into the NXT Takeover New York thing? She was put in there with three, with three of the best women in NXT. And they had Shayna's story of her solidifying herself next to Asuka saying, I'm the best. I'm the most dominant person here and there's nothing you could do about it. Shayna Baszler was so believable that she told these women that she was going to walk into New York and beat them. There's not many people in NXT history that can say that they're believable to say, I'm going to beat you and actually fucking do it the way Shayna Baszler was doing it. Shayna Baszler was all about being dominant and all about just fucking killing motherfucker. She walked into Takeover New York against the three biggest stars and walked out as champion. There's not many people that can say that they stayed on top and have the longevity and have the peak longevity that Shayna Baszler has had. So you can carry that. I'm a little drunk. I'm sorry. Y'all got 10 seconds left. So if y'all want to just start to rebutting y'all can. Okay. Right back, Christine. So I'll go ahead and I'll go ahead and I'll shoot. So the thing is with y'all's argument for Shayna is that we're building Shayna. Your argument is predicated on a character for Shayna that hasn't been credible for four years. Minimal. Shayna Baszler's entire dominance was in NXT. Yeah, she had flashes of it in the beginning of her WWE main roster run. But we haven't seen that dominance since she left NXT to that level, right? And it's just been down, down, down, down. Worse and worse and worse. Bad moment after bad moment. Like y'all said, the MMA rules match. That was terrible. And from a lot of people beating Ronda Rousey no matter how you feel about her would help somebody. It did nothing for her. Absolutely nothing. And they've continued to do nothing with her since. So my rebuttal to that is I understand our main point is talking about Shayna Baszler and NXT. But that's that's so many people that we've said on the main roster that we said on the same roster. Listen, Triple H did a great job at rebuilding a guy like Shinsuke Nakamura where we thought he was done. So the way how we're looking at it is if you give Shayna Baszler the time and you actually invest into her, she can probably break through that glass ceiling that she had in NXT. Like you said, we saw flashes of that on the main roster and let's not forget now with Triple H at the helm, NXT is canon. NXT is canon to the main roster. The accolades count, the rivalries defuse, everything counts. So there's still something with Shayna Baszler. It's all about are you willing to invest the time in Shayna Baszler? You guys brought up a phenomenal point with Bianca and I will not dispute Bianca. But when I'm looking at with Shayna Baszler and making her major star, you're adding more depth to the women's division that you desperately need. You add fresh blood to a woman that's never held the women's world championship at all in her career. And you're adding fresh new storylines and new spotlight on somebody that's never had the opportunity. Bianca, it'll be great with the heel dynamic, but Bianca on top, we've already been there, we've done that. And I'm sure a lot of people would love to see fresh blood like Shayna Baszler finally get her sign. So Shayna Baszler is a great, I've been waiting for her push on the main roster for so long, bro, like desperately, but they would have to do a lot to rebuild her up because when she choked out Rhonda at SummerSlam, I thought that was going to be the kind of pull for her to at least be involved in something and then they threw her back in the tag division. So Shayna Baszler could be the one, they would have to build her up and it would add new fresh depth to the roster. But turning Bianca heel could instantly put her as the top heel in the entire division on the roster, like immediately, like look at the roster right now, who's the top heel? It's an Ajax, Ray Ripley, ain't cause she getting cheered, Charlotte's hurt, you could maybe say damage control, maybe, but are they really the top heels? Like, I don't know if they really have a solidified top heel in that division and I feel like Bianca could be that top heel to go on that rampage that a lot of people have been waiting here for because I think a lot of people really are just waiting for that for her. Like a lot of people already disliking her the way it is, but if they had her turn heel, the amount of heel she could have for the type of character that she portrayed in NXT, bringing it to the main roster, taking down a beloved Ray Ripley by majority of the fans and then running with that, whether she's in a group with maybe Montez Ford or however they want to do it. But if you instantly push that agenda with Bianca, I think that instantly puts her, and that puts her to meet top five heels in the company, not even just for the women's division, but we're talking all of WWE. Shayna Baszler would not be a terrible option, but I think they would have to do a lot to build her up to make her credible because they did so much, not Triple H exactly, but WWE at the time did so much to push her down the toilet so tremendously. Like Shayna Baszler has never even touched a world title on the main roster because she fell down tremendously. I think even for like two years, she had the most losses of anybody on the roster after going on a dominant rampage. She fell down so tremendously, they would have to do it, not saying that they couldn't do it, but it would take a lot for them to build her up. I feel like what Shayna- I think you're- I feel like you guys are putting Shayna in this box as your average woman's superstar. Shayna Baszler is a killer. She's legitimately trained. Like if Shayna went on a run and killed every woman that she stepped in the ring with, it's believable because they know her, because we know her background and they could talk about her background every week and show video passion, show videos of her training. Like Shayna Baszler is the one, he sees a rare breed of superstar who you can build within a number of months because all you have to do, like I said, just go out there, have her choke people out. It's really very simple. You can make her look like a dominant president. It doesn't take much for us to believe, oh shit, Shayna Baszler could actually beat Rhea Ripley. And in Triple H, you guys said Triple H is a storyteller. He likes to connect things from the past, from like if people have history and other promotions, he'd like, oh, let's rewrite it back. That's NXT story right there. You can have Shayna go on this bloodlust. She's finally had enough and she wants to beat Rhea Ripley because Rhea Ripley is the reason why Shayna Baszler, at least in her head, is the reason Shayna Baszler fell down so hard is she hasn't recovered from that loss. And if you have Shayna go on a rampage for months, you can easily rebuild Shayna Baszler. She's a very believable threat. We're not talking about a Kairi Sane. Love Kairi Sane. But if they treated Kairi the way they treated Shayna Baszler, that's going to take like a year at minimum to rebuild Kairi Sane. But someone like Shayna Baszler, she just come in, kick some people in the face, choke them out. Very believable right there offer. Awesome. I also feel like with Shayna Baszler, we're not disputing Bianca. If she turned, he don't beat Rhea Ripley, that's obviously going to be great for Bianca. I feel like in this scenario with Shayna Baszler, this is very much high risk, high reward. That's the whole thing with Shayna Baszler. So if we look at her time in NXT, she does something that not a lot of women do on the main roster. And like I mentioned, was elevate people, always making them look strong. She did that with Bianca, made Bianca the beloved baby face at the time. She helped elevate EO Shirai when she came on to NXT immediately. She was out there helping Dakota Kai's baby face run. She was like, Shayna Baszler is that rare breed of a champion that makes everybody look incredibly strong in defeat and also elevates people every single time they're in the ring because Shayna Baszler just has that aura about her. So not saying Bianca can't do that, but I feel like if you make Shayna Baszler champion, you have a better chance at making other stars and having everybody else look equal than Bianca as he'll let Ross take the last. All right, well, to expound on your point, the thing is, yeah, us fans, we know she can go in the ring and she's a dominant force. But once again, it doesn't matter to the casual fans, especially if they have you out here acting like a fucking vampire in a fucking feud. It doesn't matter because now they're treating you like a J.A.G., just another girl out here that comes from an MMA background that's not Ronda Rousey, Ronda Light. That's it. So when you've been presented as someone as a carbon copy of somebody else, but just not that good, fans don't care. So when we talked about it with Dolph, fans lose interest in someone that they obviously had a lot of interest in at one point because of the booking and the consistency of how they book Shayna. They have booked her like a loser. They try to bring her back up, only to book her like a loser in the end. And it hurts to make it believable. And her right now, taking down Rhea Ripley, it's just not going to work. But hey, I'm all for her to get that opportunity. Triple H, you got to do something better with her, man. OK, so this is the topic, right? Yeah. Yeah. That's it. No moment or two? Yeah. So first off, Saint Bianca as a heel, I loved because that kind of changes how we view that title match and that title wing. It's Bianca as a who's, I believe Malik, I believe you're the one who said it. It puts Bianca as that next top heel, which they technically don't have. If they want to be technical, it's ill. And like, you know what I mean? I guess you could say it was Bailey before this. So yeah, they wouldn't need that top heel. I love that point. Is that J? You should tell Mo to take that ugly-ass shirt off. Yeah. Oh, I think that's J. Learn the way. OK, J's burning, J's burning, J's burning. But also too, y'all bringing up Shayna, I think y'all's explanation for Shayna is kind of makes sense because if you book her as how Nate was explaining, you just choke people out, do that for a couple months, and then she's finally ready. I think the storytelling aspect of it, and especially that Triple H loves tying stuff together. I mean, even though y'all referenced that Bianca promo, her turning heel, that was technically tying a storyline together, saying, Naomi, you haven't been here. This is something that I had to deal with. So I don't really feel bad for her. This is something she has to lane. Just like when J. Uso went over to Monday Night Raw. And it was like, no, you still got to deal with your consequences. It's so awesome. That's Drew's whole motivation. So I'm going to give it to Shayna only because I feel like you add if you build Shayna up correctly with the storytelling. I think you add another top star as opposed to just make another one bigger. I think you add another top star in, I think Lewis, you might have said that in a women's division, that really needs the depth. Like if we're big, and that's kind of what kind of sold it for me, because I do agree. I did agree with Ross. I was like, well, Shayna, that's going to take a lot of work. But if you book her correctly, you add a star in a division that needs depth. So that way, that's crazy. That way, it went, basically, after... Hey, bro, get that red t-shirt out, bro. Wrestling training rags has a point. I'm not lying. Jill Cheese, that was amazing. That was great. But yeah, I feel like Shayna Baszler, she would add... Again, you add to the depth. It's another star. And that way, after she has a run, she can do stuff without the title and still feel beautiful. So that's why I gave it to Shayna. But I'm not going to lie. He'll be on the... That gave me a hard word. No, bro. Yeah, yeah. That was tough. Because instead of B-Fab, I wanted B-Fab to be Bianca. That's what I wanted. I was like, yeah, go with your husband. Y'all can be a power couple. Exactly. But yeah, he'll be on the... I'm not going to lie. That would be crazy. And y'all was tearing Shayna down. You tearing my girl down like that. But I ain't... That was crazy, man. That's crazy. We had... Man, we knew at the moment... We knew at the moment that she would have been like... Hey, we ain't the one that tore it down, but they would have been tore it down. Shoot. Wrestling's pretty large. Abuse, man. He was raw. Yeah, that's who he is now, man. When she came... We should have known when she came up and she bit Becky in the neck with all that fake blood, I was like... Yeah, it should have been... It was Gigi. It was... See, that's my whole bag. See, that's what I thought. But then the way she handled the Elimination Chamber, I was like, oh, so y'all do rock with her. Y'all do believe in that code. Honestly, I didn't even think her biting her was bad. If she just went at WrestleMania, it would have been fine. That's all that she needed to do. Yeah, we would have forgotten that bite. If she had just went at WrestleMania, it would have been... It would have been cool. Even then, so they had... I mean, Vince said... When she beat Rhonda, bro, and they did nothing after that. She had... You know what? And a tag scene was always stark, bro. Because you know what's crazy? You know what's crazy? I genuinely wholeheartedly believe. Because we know Triple H is stubborn. We saw how stubborn he was with Austin Theory, even before the scene of feud. We saw how stubborn he was. I think he is adamant about making the women's tag title scene important. I think he is so adamant about it. He's doing a terrible job. You just want him to get rid of it in general, at this point. He really should at this point. Low key? Low key. You should introduce the mid-card title. That would be the best thing. That's it. Yeah, that's what they need. Honestly, here's my thing. And I know it's not going to get back to that. But even 2.0 when there's white and gold, that women's division does not have a tag title or a mid-card title. They're still always good storylines that you could tell. And like, let's be real. Blair Davenport and Fallon Henley are in a little mini feud. That's just something for two women to do. You know what I mean? There's always something for someone to do. And I feel like the main roster, even though it's two brands, you have enough women to just have them do something. Have them do something. And I think SmackDown were kind of getting there because, again, they fumbled EO horrendously. So we're kind of getting there with SmackDown. And we're all like, honestly, everybody's kind of in the same vortex right now. But you can't do something with these people without the tag titles or without the mid-card. But you can do it. So before we head up to SuperTex, yeah, I don't even know where they are, bro. They long gone, bro, so. Oh, it's not like StreamYard where we have a tag? No, no, no. Oh, yeah, y'all kind of fucked. I ain't gonna lie. No. So to end it off, we can take a few questions. If you guys are cool with it, I feel bad because it's Super Chat. So we'll take a couple. Shout out to Ross for coming through. Also live on this channel. We had 1,000 people here at One Point, man. So we had 1K people here at One Point, man. So I appreciate you, Ross, for coming in. Allow on this channel to be a part of our channel. So if you guys want to have, you have a few questions, we can answer a few questions for you guys real quick before we head off here. Do y'all really think Ross barely watchable? Because he's not, Matthew. No, Ross better than SmackDown. Yeah, I was about to say. Yeah, Ross pretty good. I ain't watching it without the bloodline even watchable. I ain't watch an episode of SmackDown for like four months. I actually, I enjoy both. So I mean, I enjoy all WWE, NXT, everything. I'm enjoying everything right now. The only problem with SmackDown, especially if they're going to have the bloodline doing 40 minutes, bro, that they're pulling an A-W right now with that one. This is the first question I've seen. Who got the most banger theme song right now? Right now. Okay, we said the most bigger theme song. Can we talk in all time? Randy Orton, if we're talking right now, Randy Orton. I'm going to meddling this. If we're going right now, I'll say broken dreams. And you know, I was all time broken dreams, you know. Hey, man, all I know is let's light it up. It was pretty crazy. Get the fuck out of here, bro. We said it. All right, bro. That's what I did. Let's relax. Let's relax. Fire thing, bro. Fire thing. Oh, no, no. Hey, hey, I'm not alive. Trick Williams, that's got to be the best one to do with you right now. I have a confession. It's more of a chance, though, bro. I have a confession. Every time I'm in the car and I'm driving, I just tend to turn on Trick Whim's music on YouTube with the ad-libs, and I be getting turned for no reason. I thought I was the only one. OK, I thought I was the only one. Bro, headphones blasted and everything. I'd be in the window like, yes. Yep. To go to a couple more, we're here. I got a couple more that we'll throw out there. Oops. Just went away. Who's the most underrated wrestler? There should have been a main eventer. Good question. Most underrated wrestler? There should have been a main eventer. Somebody who never touched the main event scene. I'll be a little bit different, because everybody has similar answers. For me, my answer's D. Malenko. If he just could talk a little bit, if he could just talk a little bit, he'd be over. You could with D. Malenko, but you slanted Brett? Brett is fucking trash, bro. Fucking big as fuck for no reason, bro. Fuck, Brett. God, D. Malenko better than Brett. But he's definitely an in-ring merchant, bro. Hey, D. Malenko. Just like that little triangle. Hey, just like that little triangle on the round, we done with the 90s, bro. Yeah, pack, Brett. Oh. Going down a chair, bro. I, I, I, relax. Oh. We're doing, we're doing, we've done with the 90s. Does that mean we can pack my VL up, too? Nope. We can pack my VL up. Nope. He came with us with us. I'm not packing. He's here right now, man. Not a pack. I'm not packing. I'm not packing. That's crazy. I'm, I'm, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say show Benjamin for me, bro. I feel like show Benjamin and the Ruthless Aggression Arrow had, and crazy athleticism could go in the ring with anybody. His Mike Shields weren't that great. But around that time, I mean, I feel like you could get away with it. Still be the world champion. They put the world title on, you know, somebody we don't know. Y'all heard me. Fuck, Brett. So I feel like, I feel like, I feel like Sheldon could have been, maybe not WWE champion, but he could have been. He could have been a great world champion. Brett is nothing more than an angry old man that's just mad that we can do flips and he can't. Damn. What? Right now, I'm gonna go, he still has time. He still has time. I'm gonna go to Xavier Woods, I think. I think Xavier Woods has a lot of attention. That's a great one. They have it capitalized on, yeah. He getting packed up. The fact that he's the only one that hasn't won a title off that group is crazy. Yeah, bro. He should be a U.S. or undercomer champion. He got King of the Ring. He won't have no titles like hers. And I didn't question him. No, but literally, like, he hasn't won a U.S. or an I.C., like, it's about time, bro. No, yeah, he got. Jack Gable didn't exist. I really wanted it to be Woods to be going through, bro. That's been so good. I was there for that match. They had a smack. Ross, you got an answer real quick. I was the biggest Xavier Woods fan in the crowd. Probably go with Cesaro. If he was just better talking on the microphone, I think he'd be fine. Or, but it's just his microphone skills are not that good, but his in-ring skills is just crazy. It's fucking phenomenal. And he could connect with the crowd because Vince was like, ah, he doesn't connect with fans. I was like, he did it all the time. He did it, bro. Like, he could connect. Like, the fans loved him, bro. If he just had a better, just a little bit better on the microphone, I think he would be fine, bro. This one right here. What's the hill you're willing to die on regarding pro-russ? Go ahead, go ahead! I'm going to put the pro-russ, you want another clip, Ross? Man, bro, right now on Twitter, I have all these fucking little virgin, cry baby losers just getting mad, and I love it. So keep sending me I'm actually gonna make a video about this cuz I'm a double up on what I said, but I Will say this if there's a hill I'm a die-on. I'm dying on that hill today. I just I Just you know, I'm gonna switch it up. I'm gonna switch it up. I'm gonna switch it up I'm gonna switch it up because I'm making a video about it. So I'm gonna switch it up If there's another hill I'll die on per se I'm gonna have to go with I'm really trying to think All right, some people gonna get mad at me. I don't really be caring too much for the Kenny Omega will Osprey style of matches. I'm just be honest. I know some y'all are gonna be love They're putting on some of the greatest classics and it's cool. It's cool But I mean personally, I think they're okay matches, but it's a lot of this stuff It's a lot of things when you really break it down in a sense of wrestling Like it doesn't make sense that this nigga and did 20 different flips And then he knows so to move only to get back to no sell another move to kick out at one Now I get it. There's a fan base for that and some of the stuff do be kind of pretty tough I'm not gonna lie to you But for me when I'm sitting down watching the wrestling match I'm not gonna remember it because it's mostly just a whole bunch of cool moves But the story ain't there for me. So that's the hill I down They I think they're fantastic wrestlers in their own right, but at the same time for me It's not something that I'll be like, oh, I'm gonna give this a five-star class because it's just personally About kickouts at one I feel like that should only be saved for like ultimate underdogs like the baby Yeah, that's who that's who but like Daniel Bryan during the yes movement era If he kicks out at one, I'm not I'm not part of my time. I'll probably get high, you know what I mean, right? And to piggyback off that I enjoy those matches, but I'm not a fiend for those matches Like everyone talks about like they go back and watch matches overall I honestly bro matches are cool with me like I enjoy watching wrestling like I like to see two dudes beat shit I jett and like yeah I'm a promo and segment guy like that's the stuff I eat up. I love that stuff A match is cool. You can have a five-star match But if you have a I'd rather have to see a five-star promo than a five-star match to be honest I don't mind the Osprey and Omega like Osprey to Kesta that match was incredible and I But when you have a card full of that style of wrestling it does get a little tiresome And I'm like all right We get the point these guys can can wrestle and I know there's a fan base for that Understanding AW has they have a good fan base with that and they made a lot of money off that and I'm not trying to like say like Oh, you guys are fucking nerves for liking that I'm just saying my personal style the reason I gravitate towards WWE more is because they do more Segnets they do more promos. There's more character work in there and the wrestling is there too But they focus more on that stuff and that's why I've tend to always just gravitate more towards WWE I like AW. I like I like the direction to go in it. Don't get me wrong I think Osprey and Dennis is gonna be a fucking phenomenal match Like it's gonna be great. They're gonna have a lot of great matches this year. It's just not my good Everybody else went to the hill for me The ruthless aggression era pay-per-views clear the ones of the attitude era Hmm First of all, let's start with the rest of manias every rest of mania of the attitude era Almost eaters every single attitude era WrestleMania Yeah, every route the regression WrestleMania is better than most attitude era WrestleMania is the only one that's On par 17. I think 17 cleared all of them But the regular paper is like King of the Ring 98 for example, right? Crowd was the crowd is a big factor of this crowd was awake for taker in mankind, obviously and Austin and Kane they were dead during Too much against Osno and head Because of dumb storylines like that. They had they took head and shoulders and had Just Ruthless aggression errors Ruthless aggression era pay-per-views clear. I was almost there Louis. What's yours good? I've thought about this one long and hard. It ain't in my via one. Don't worry Jack. I've thought about this one long and hard shock and I've come to the conclusion That the WWE in ring performer Mount Rushmore, and this is just WWE I think the three the three and I mean you can obviously go about how you want to go about it for me Obviously, the first three would be Shawn Michaels Eddie Guerrero and Seth Rollins. Those are the three I have to me The man that takes the fourth spot in WWE's in-ring Mount Rushmore list is Gunther. Oh In another hot take to add on top of that By the time his career By the time his career I think going through be one of the 10 greatest WWE reasons Because Kurt Angle's best work was easily in TNA way I Still think he should be in that thing but either way so my three my three heels that I will always die on first off So Mojo should have won a great balls of fire. I don't care. I don't care You could still have the fatal four way. So Mojo should have won a great balls of fire My second one I forgot my second one, but either but so the other one the last one NXT take over New Orleans is the greatest paper I will watch that over x7. I'm sorry You're watching New Orleans over x7 yes I ain't gonna lie, bro, I'm on the same boat shop Oh Take over New Orleans was Only reason I'll say NXT over x7 as far as I watch is because there were no bad flaws for take over the world every match every story You could point out maybe a couple of things from 17 days. You could skip over. You know saying I'm not skipping over anything That's my favorite. They're both s tier though My favorite take over. You throw out yours and I'm gonna throw mine Nia Jax saved the raw women's division. I'm dying on that hill. She saved the damn division there You you look you look at October till now. What was Becky Lynch and real Ripley gonna do? From that from from then literally Nia Jax was the blue that or she was the factor that kept him apart That's all I gotta say. That's an interesting take. I'm gonna throw out three of mine And I don't care what nobody says bro Hulk Hogan vs. Ultimate Warrior top five Russell mania made in bed ever, bro Braun Strowman Braun Strowman is the biggest fumble WWE had any superstar in the last decade, but I don't care nobody says brother fact that they messed up that man's career And it couldn't revive it. It's atrocious and last one even though it kind of pains me a little bit to say it Roman Reigns is the better world champion than John Cena ever was bro Oh single rain single rain. I'll give you but overall no yes overall. Yes You know, it's crazy. No, this rain is a six time world champion. I mean he lost that thing This this that's script this this track this tribal chief rain is better than any world championship run John Cena had and isn't I agree We have to include the first three though, we have to talk about the first three the first three are great Rains better than those No, yes No, I'm talking about the travel chief I think he's saying this rain is better than I'm saying Yeah Disagree but now that's a good one. That's a good one a lot of people a lot of people only gonna disagree because the nostalgia factor because Came before Roman Reigns and they love John Cena or John Cena John Cena is my all-time favorite wrestler, bro He's the one he's the only wrestler everyone to be like as a kid There's the only wrestler but real can recognize real this run that Romans had he's had better stories Just of good matches care to work top two and he's help uplift people in the story as well And I don't know if we've ever seen a story that we could remember but every time the story got dry You thought it was over they managed to revive that shit and make it good again I don't know how they've done it so many times. So can I trigger? Can I trigger chat again? Good chat get your dick such a hand for this one, bro. Cuz yeah, y'all y'all gonna be mad as fuck When it comes to the four horsewomen Sasha makes the last side to tell you know, oh actually yes. He is you're right I didn't say Absolutely Was forgettable Oh Before Charlotte became the all I do was fight for titles merchant Charlotte was a great champion, bro She was just a heel Before she started all week before she started racking up the stat padding titles like that Sasha before the Sasha Banks Stat pad title bro. She was a good champion Oh, and she could actually do some stuff There's it just got annoying cuz we saw she was that but no Charlotte By was she was the first one and then Becky surpassed her because she became the biggest star in the freaking company at one point And I'm gonna be real then they become then you get the Bailey and Sasha if you want to say Sasha's better in ring cool That's fun But Bailey if we look at everything with accomplishments accolades Bailey by Honestly, it's low-key not close Bailey is better than Sasha And on top of that comparing it to the other compare comparing Sasha Banks to the other horsewoman They have a rumble win Bailey is about Bailey is about to have her singles W Sasha Banks is only winners for the fucking tag titles. That's it other than that She's oh, she was oh and six at WrestleMania Remember Sasha Banks couldn't defend that title to save her life And then when she finally did have somewhat of a long reign. She was a transitional champion for Bianca Bella So you bring up a lot of good point You bring up a lot of good points with Sasha. You see I know I chat chat got angry Charlotte I think would equal it though because Charlotte has never evolved her character into anything at least we saw Sasha evolve We saw Bailey evolve Becky evolve She's been the same thing for the entire time of her main roster run and not to mention though Charlotte is the one person that Everybody has looked at in the vision kind of like the Roman range. They're forcing her upon us when we're telling you We don't want her to be in that top position Charlotte is great, but nothing about her has has changed at all We saw we saw Sasha play the heel character in NXT then we saw her do it as a baby face We've seen the same with Bailey. We've seen the same with Becky. Charlotte has done the same stuff the entire time She's been on the same stuff, too Hold on. Can I can I can I keep it a heel in a baby face that's evolving. She's Charlotte has an excellent baby face. She's terrible baby face. Nobody's like Are we kind of NXT in the sense because Charlotte as a baby face was is one of the most dominant actually Okay, you can say on the baby face, but on the main roster. She's been terrible as a baby face Has been the worst champion and the worst like she can't win the big one I'll say that well, yeah, cuz I mean she has that goes she hasn't won the big one yet That's the fact, but I'll say this Charlotte was such a bad baby face. She couldn't even get your number on the Rousey, bro I also saw somebody say but Sasha Banks made event of WrestleMania to keep it a buck and a lot of y'all don't want to hear this She was only in the main event of WrestleMania because they really wanted to push Bianca They would have put Bianca in the main event with you with anybody Anybody remembers Sasha Banks rain after she beat Bailey in the Thunderdome era I couldn't tell you I think I think it goes hand-in-hand because Lewis need to bring up good point But they also threw Charlotte into the WrestleMania main event that nobody that she didn't belong either you're right You're right. Yeah, but here's the thing. I think Charlotte and Sasha are three and four. I Think they're three and four, but to me to me to me. I don't think there's an argument for Sasha being higher than four I think she's the last one. She's literally the work like even though it's scripted As far as far of accomplishment she she has the worst cuz she can't hold she couldn't hold the title to save her life for a long time Yeah, yeah, so I mean the longest reigning women's champion in SmackDown history Charlotte Flair is a 14-time women's champion Becky Lynch is the only woman to main event and win. No, the only woman to win a one-night WrestleMania She doesn't have anything that's really History making per se. Well, well, let me let me put some respect her beyond the first two black women to make it She's part of the first woman's tag team Which is great, but what I'm saying though is when people say but she made event at a WrestleMania I feel like WWE was so high on Bianca You could have put any of the other three other horsewomen in there and he would have gotten the same result That was that was more because that was that to me because I look at I look at things differently Right, I look at who's the hottest in the match or whatever like yet Technically like yes, she did main event at WrestleMania, but I don't look at that as a Sasha Sasha WrestleMania main event I look at that like that's Bianca. That was Bianca. That was Bianca She was the center of attention Sasha just so happened to be the champion like in my personal opinion I don't think anybody in the right mind thought Sasha Banks had the sliverest of chance of winning that main event. Oh, no No, no way Even if you want to say Sasha Sasha's is the best one in ring. That's perfectly fine My counterpoint. I mean, I don't think she is but if you want to say that I'm not gonna really waste my breath about it But someone said she made a girl crying in XT bro. So did miss made a girl cry You saw what good That's why I said that's why I mentioned Sasha was better except as a baby face and a heel than Charlotte was that was my point No, that was the point of me, but a lot of people made people cry I don't think Sasha being better at both and Charlotte Because yeah, she's a baby. She's a better baby. Sure, but I don't think it's an I don't think it's enough to put her in the In the top for her or I don't think she's I don't think she's any higher than four Honestly, I don't even think she'll ever have a case of being Unless she comes back She comes back that's a whole different story But as the speaker right now she has zero case of being on the Mount Rushmore like Bianca has a case more Rhea Ripley has more of a case Becky has has more of a case Bailey has more of a case Charlotte has more of a case shit It is For as far as what as far as what Just the Mount Rushmore the one on the Mount Rushmore. Oh, that's that's all the forest women to me. They're all about Rushmore By the time Bianca's career is over Sasha comes back because she come back if she if she comes back that's a different story When when when she comes back a hill I'm gonna die on Bianca already surpassed Sasha my pain. Yes Her position number one her position in the company by far Absolutely, she surpassed Sasha by far. They pushed her so much better than such just for they actually they actually care They actually care about beyond the number one no in her accomplishments Trump Sasha Banks. They do Y'all can keep going you can say she surpassed Bailey really want to keep it but other than that stat pad 16 time world champion What that's gonna be hard it's gonna be hard She doesn't need five years, she just needs one hill right Hold on Ross. You've been quiet man. What's your stance on this Ross? All right, I'm over here just responding to the fire that is on Twitter right now, so that's why Favorite comment you responded to Bianca has surpassed Sasha Considering how they've been booking her and I think that's part of Sasha's frustration and one of the reasons the big reason why she left in The first place. I think we're getting what Sasha probably should have got in Bianca Exactly what we're doing right now. And right now Bianca is on this run where you know saying people are behind her She's been putting on some pretty good matches. Um, I think um Her getting a good heel run will definitely take her to that next tier potentially because now you can have that dynamic in a sense of Seeing for the the main roster crowd like the casual audience now They get to see someone that they've been cheering and loving for a while Actually go rogue and do some heel like things and and expound on that So I think right now she's on a really great run And I'm hoping that at some point they pull the trigger on her being a heel because I do think I was out of Charlotte and thinking about Charlotte. We can all agree. She can have some great matches, bro She be having some great. I may not like how many times they've given her pretty much the championship off our name But she can wrestle her ass off That's one thing that people can't say and she'd be putting on some classics that Rhea versus Charlotte match on paper It sounded good the execution the story No one gave a fuck but when the match happened if it wasn't for that tag team bloodline match That would have made a minute and it should have made a minute because it was that fucking good So I will say right now Bianca is definitely number two, but when she get a good heel run, I think that may change relatively soon Rhea, I mean just in right now in the term in the grand scheme of thing outside of the force woman She's at the top because she's just so super over and her matches are really good, too Right home sir selling is good. She can sell for you She can make you look like a million bucks out there Even when you know it doesn't match up the matching, you know Though who she's facing you can't believe into it She can make you believe because she's that fucking good. So I'll give it a I see Rhea as like John Cena and Batista like WWE is obviously I think in the future They're gonna lean more towards Bianca But Rhea is always gonna be like someone that they always go to as well I'm just confused like I'm just confused cuz I don't really be responding to people like that But I'm just confused on how Bianca has not surpassed Sasha Banks She's peaked higher than her in terms of probably popularity within the WWE. She has her own reality TV show She has the longest reigning women's title run full stop ever And in terms of stretching matches, you can you can you can damn near argue with which one is better like Everything Sasha needs Bianca Thanks for me For me the reason I have before swimming as the Mount Rushmore because they all changed women's wrestling at WWE and Revolutions it for me the the way they were put in XC and portrayed You start to see that things were changing differently women's wrestling and the match that Solidified for me with Sasha and Bailey at takeover Brooklyn after I watched that match I was a no women's wrestling is completely J. That was the that was one of the greatest matches ever seen in my life Now Bianca has you could say peaked higher and has all the success Sasha really did need to Evolve and excel but all the four all four of them to me help transcend transcend and change women's wrestling To be where it is today. They all helped revolutionize when they were calling it the women's revolution in that era They all played their part into doing that by having great matches Telling great stories. Some of them had better booking than others in the end But they all four portrayed themselves, you know and solidify themselves to be the four catalyst I think Sasha is more or less the Alkalades don't match But her match quality does because you guys remember the match She had with Rhonda and Rhonda was relatively green at the time. She can't go to a good Rhonda fucked up her shoulder in that match too. That's what She can go to a pretty good match for someone that's relatively green in the rain And she even though, you know on paper, you're not gonna buy that Sasha could actually be Rhonda But they made you if it looked believable and it worked and that's the testament And I will give credit to Sasha even though the Alkalades don't show She's had some really really good matches But if we're just going off of Alkalades popularity and where it is now in comparison I hate to say it and they're both great but Bianca right now Well, I'm taking everything into account not just the popularity not just the accolades not just the match quality I think especially when we're talking about this current day for horsewoman and all that stuff They all got it. But I when I look at everything into account I think I think a lot of the big things Um, mainly because like I see people in the chat and just what you see on twitter and all that stuff I feel like people with Sasha they think she's higher than what she is because we expected her to be higher than what she is That's what we assumed was going to have because remember the only person that got left back I got left back was Bailey was the one that got left back. We thought Sasha was like as you said But if we just look all time everything into account when we look at all the But when we look at um Everything into account you look at all the women in history, right women in history you take everybody into account I can argue Becky being in that top five for sure. No questions asked I can argue charlotte being in that top five Bailey's getting there. Let's see what this next run does because I think she's waiting Sasha like is anybody taking Sasha over trish or mickey? I am. Yes. Yes. I am y'all are in wwe In wwe that's because I think Oh Okay, mickey. Yeah, but like trish lita Yes And that's the tear I think she's in though because I think Becky has surpassed them. No questions asked I think charlotte has surpassed them. No big no questions asked I'm not a lot. I'm taking Bianca over them. No questions at that's the tear. I think Sasha is in I think she's No, no She had a better man roster run. I think they did her worse Just asking I think for me They both don't have wins at mania Well, I think they did ask I think they did ask a little bit dirty like Sasha wasn't nearly as dominant asca was bro Like she was Bro, and then she went she went from being literally undefeated to losing to carmela, bro That's how like that's how bad it was. I'm not getting asked to just ask it because they're literally similar They're in the similar same boat like they don't have a mania win. No, yeah, they both they both have had shitty title runs But if we're looking at just the accolades alone, yeah to point to point out the chat I'm seeing a bunch of people in the chat. I think a lot of people in the chat I think a lot of people in the chat are missing the points A lot of us like these people but their accolades itself speak for itself the way they're booked We're just going off based on that book like they didn't treat Sasha the way they should have did on the main roster They didn't treat asca the way they should have did on the main roster We're not saying that those people are bad. It's just we're looking on based on where they did Sasha banks would win the championship and then she would lose it after not even holding for a month And she didn't get the title for a month. You know what I mean? Like that wasn't her fault It's just the way that they were structuring her in the book here. Now. I still have her on my my rush one personally But I can understand why some of these people don't put her on there because The the lackluster of the booking that they that they had to her. I don't know in the background going crazy So I don't know We're just looking off base of how The one thing I want to bring up that g said He's talking about Trista But I think the era has mattered like people like Trista people are bringing up AJ Lee AJ Lee was great for her division But she was in that era where women's wrestling really wasn't able to evolve and excel The way it is now if AJ Lee had a run in this era You really just pulled out a durax like that This is a child I just want to say though, do you guys think as wrestling fans like I feel like people They rank You know We gotta stop this shout out this thursday. Um, but besides that, um I feel like wrestling fans they tend to rank based on potential and what wrestlers could have been rather than what they are now I under I understand these Sasha Banks argument because of her potential and what she could have been But you can't tell me on the grand scheme of things right now on what she is today On where she was at her wwe career that she has a legitimate case over Bianca. You just can't How many how many times in 2016 Did her and charlotte flip off that title back and forth I would say for too much Sasha Sasha went on raw charlotte would win at the pay-per-view and charlotte then Sasha went on raw charlotte would win at the pay-per-view sasha would win that title back on raw Because remember they were the first to help a rick square woman telling a sale match They were the first women's last man standing or something. They were the home town by the way A lot of the women though, like uh, like a trish lita and aj lead They were all great for their era, but they weren't able to excel and prevail because women's wrestling was held back I just read on directs Shadow directs Let's switch it up, bro. Let's switch it up, bro. You want to switch it up, bro Let's switch it up But I hear y'all I just feel like Sasha banks is in that tier and like Well, especially when it comes like actually I feel like I feel like even though Malik what you said is right The errors and all that that matters. I also feel Trish lita they were treated and booked better Than Sasha banks relative to air obviously that women's wrestling divas era was Garbanzo I know but I'm saying the way they the way they viewed them though. Mickey Trish and lita did not get treated the way Sasha did Yeah, yeah, like they weren't treated the way Sasha was Wait, wait, wait, wait, can we highlight even when they didn't take it serious They still treated her better than an error when you see you see can we highlight this because somebody said can't blame Sasha for bad Oh, that was great to get to that. Yeah, we we blame you blame everybody for bad booking. It's bad booking, bro That's not even the Sasha banks. It's a lot of wrestlers, bro You're ranking them and you're giving them the benefit of the doubt if that's the case Dolph Ziggler should be a top 10 WWE superstar of all time. He should be on everybody's If that's the case Braun Strowman should have been an XL Shinsuke Nakamura The summer punk should have been booked better. You know I'm saying that should have went off to be one of the best Things we've ever seen, you know, I mean like Booking sucks, but we have to look at the reality right now the reality The big dog Roman range you feel me that mean Actually, that's a good question that might cost might stir some feathers Overall when we look back at it, Alexa Bliss is Sasha Banks Okay Name me one great Alexa Bliss If we're talking about if we're talking booking is obviously Alexa Bliss if we're talking Alexa Bliss was handled better on the main roster They they they booked it pretty well for 2016-2017 she was one of the top three women And women's champion like ever I don't think I don't think Alexa Bliss even comes close to having great matches at Sasha Banks did but as far as As far as as far as how they were portraying her on the roster. I mean they showed that they they were caring more about her, bro so yeah Yeah Like she was a better. She was a better champion No, no, she she a good promo. She a good promo. She was a good promo. She was a better champion Her promos didn't start her Sucking till she got hurt and started doing that talk show segment That's what this is. This is a super chat right here. We'll get to a better. WrestleMania Hollywood 21 or 39 21 That's not a bad take only reason why 21 that nudge is because the two last matches weren't that great jbl versus john scene was awful But it was okay, but it gives that legendary status because of the two they they lifted up the new faces of the company Yeah, and the matches before were actually really good too. I mean the the undercar. You didn't like john beer belly layfield No, the build up was great, but honestly if if they had if they had the match they had a judgment there, bro So mania Was the stipulation leading up to mania was john scene. It wasn't allowed to touch jbl unless it was Yeah, yeah, yeah, like they couldn't touch each other Like sina put a water he put water I'm not touching you Y'all remember was sina cracked that chair off of danie bashing scolaring for the jbl because he couldn't Bro, john scene was such a man is bro. He effed you take long in the ring because he couldn't fight I remember y'all remember jbl had him arrested. He was like arrest this thug The most wild should i've seen jbl The most wild should i seen jbl did was kick a mexican out of the border, bro I'm Puerto rican. No, that was that was that was that was a crazy thing to do I know texas for most of my life. I could say Paso texas is literally right It was in the middle of the night he turned him around. He put his boot on his ass and pushed him and said go across the border I was like, yeah Hey, yo Fun fact, you know, you know, it's crazy. So a fun fact I want to bring up two things before we head off here. So I was listening to I was listening to uh Chavos podcast, I remember when they turned him into current white, right when he had to turn into He pitched the idea and it's crazy because they could have got away with it back in these days I know what you're gonna say. I know what you're gonna say, bro He pitched the idea of being like like a like a nazi guy, bro Like coming out with the with the kkk stuff and everything bro. Like yeah, I wanted to be that type of deal, bro Like he was gonna 2005 In 2007 whenever they did. Yeah, he was gonna do that They would have got away with it. They could have gotten away with it, bro At that time frame, they could have got they could have gotten away with it, bro because if you look at some of those stories You look at back at some of those stories, bro, they could have I mean I think honestly if you go back and look at like the sergeant slaughter and hulkogan stuff like That was during like when the tsunami same stuff was the clang war on america, bro Like that was a serious year. They were getting bomb threats, bro. Yeah Somebody said we need the jbl and trump link up If you if you go watch the sergeant slaughter ducking if you go they can get gas back down to under two dollars by all means They can get gas back under two dollars a gallon man, i'm in that time, bro If you go watch my mom the other day would like like she was so angry because she she went to a gas tank That was that was like 335 and then when we were leaving and then when we were leaving we were driving She saw another gas station that had 295. She flipped shit in the fucking car, bro Howling you bro if y'all wasn't driving in 2020 in 2019 a gas was 169 a gallon Oh my god, bro, depends on where you live, though Everybody was there with their own shits putting that shit in there, bro, bro. I used to be able to fill up my car I used to be able to fill up my car with less than 20 dollars, bro That's how I used to be able to fill up my car with less than 20, bro Now i'm like I'm gonna get to work. I'm gonna get to work I just need to last it for two days I just need a lesson tomorrow, man. So thank you guys for coming through. We're gonna go ahead and sign off, man I just need us for the next hour, bro Well, thank you guys for coming through Ross. Appreciate you for coming through a man If you want to come back again, let us know you come back next week. We're doing a We're talking to rustle mania stuff. We're talking about good and bad rustle mania So we'll be talking everything rustle mania next week if you want to come through Appreciate you have me on here, man. Thank you guys for coming through for the debate the little the little chat afterwards Make sure you guys subscribe What's going on with John Cena? What are you talking about? Did he drop a new only fans? Let me check Why would he not be at somebody said why is john c. Not to ask you why would he not be there? He's one of hollywood's biggest stars. I mean, I don't know my v is gonna be there, right? But I got it's not for nothing. I gotta see it I don't know. Yo, that's the same Hey, somebody said this job see that the Oscars right now Nega came out with the sandals on booty Bro, that is naked, bro. This is this is egregious, bro. This is egregious, man. What is happening? Oh my always so for the people that got 2k 24. How y'all feeling? W game, bro Oh, wow showcases a lot. I don't like hogan and andre That's not even about the matches, bro. It's like why I don't know north from west, bro I'm not trying to think about all that like yeah, that's stupid, bro. I just say top right top left like come on Thank you and just give me a cut scene, bro. Like a playable cut scene. I don't want to watch the match The last best showcase was 2k 16 with stone coals. No 19 19 with Daniel brine. That's how they did that I didn't do that one either Online in 19. I was an online merchant Thank you guys for coming through man. Thank you guys for joining Back next week looks at talking everything rustle mania. 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