 If the vast majority in society are in that state of consciousness and are living in that way, they are going to drag along with them the small amount of us that don't want to live in those kind of conditions. It's talking about Kundalini energy. It's talking about that energy going up the human spinal column. That's the stairway to heaven. Your whole life not knowing that you are a free, sovereign human being. There's a message in that movie which is talking about how we can overcome adversity and darkness and evil. Mark, how are you, brother? Hello, mate. I'm all right. Yeah, doing well. This has been a long time over due, Mark. You really have been a staunch stand-up for bloody freedom. When I talk freedom, I'm talking about the kids really. Funny old way that society is going. You need some people to just stand up and say, no, this is wrong. As we've seen from, can I say, possibly the last three years, oh my God, how compliant will people be so long as they can, in the case of Mark being a well-established DJ, if they can get their gig? I don't want to go there too much. But as some people will know, I ran the marathon of the Sands recently, the marathon disablers, this famous race. It's 250 kilometres across the Sahara. We ran it in 52 degrees. It was literally, I was questioning, like, what am I doing? This just isn't fun. This is not fun. I do not envy you there. But what was really beautiful, Mark, was I remember on the double marathon day, I made it to the evening time of the first day, so it started to get a bit cooler. I left the, let's call it an aid station, so I'd filled up with me water. I still got a whole marathon to do overnight. And I put your audiobook on, Musical Truth. I just had a lovely, a lovely bloody run there, and just listening to all the intricacies of the music industry, the esoterics, the stuff that I've got quite a fascination with. You know, we've had, can you say, you know, musical megastars on the show, and I've always done my bit to kind of push them about, yeah, but what about, you know, what about, like, this, this, this, and... So, anyway, what I'm trying to say is thank you. What sort of names have you had, just out of interest? Well, we've had Robbie Williams on a couple of times. Okay. We've had Carol Decker from Topal. We've had the wonderful Wright said Fred. Carol Decker speaking out. I spoke to Carol. It's quite a while back now. And I don't think this was kind of something that we really covered. In a certain narrative that we've all just been through, to see, for example, big names in the DJ industry coming out and saying, right, folks, you ain't come into my gig unless you've done a certain thing. Yeah. CC, we see you. Yeah. Yeah. I get it, mate. You know, I watched a lot of your stuff and there's lines there, mate. Isn't there between like, are these people just like ignorant? Are they literally in the matrix? Oh, yeah. Yeah. It occurred to me yesterday just how surreal my life has become, actually, because when I think back 20 or 30 years, I used to follow Danny Rampling as a DJ. I used to keep an eye on stuff that he was doing. I listened to his Radio One show back in the day. Love Groove Dance Party. I used to go raving to Baby D. Let me be your fantasy, big tune. I was aware of Wright said Fred, who were in the charts in the 90s. And there's another big American star who I won't name because she wouldn't want me to, but I bumped into her at an Acapulco in Mexico a few years ago. And we had a really good chat and became friendly. And these are all people that in recent times I've become friends with. If you told me 20 or 30 years ago that I'd be attending Freedom Rallyers with Wright said Fred and Danny Rampling and having chats with Baby D, who's Awakened Aware and Phil Fearon of Galaxy, who's a partner. I wouldn't have believed you. So life's become very surreal. So on the one hand, I'm now meeting all these people who used to inspire me. But on the other hand, I'm left absolutely perplexed and completely disappointed with certain other names. You know, there's other DJ names that I used to look up to that now I've got zero respect for because of their stance on things. I mean, I can mention a couple of names. One is Tim Westwood, who we don't really talk about these days because of what he's become embroiled in. There was a time when he used to be a bit of a role model for me because he was a white guy playing hip hop music and immersed in that culture. And I wanted to get into that world and I saw him as an inspiration. I didn't know all the things about him then that I know now. And another one is Pete Tong, who used to be an inspiration to me as a radio DJ because I used to love what he did on Capital Radio and Radio One and kind of looked up to him. And I've got zero respect for him anymore. He's taken an MBE. He performed at the Coronation Concert just the other week. He's had zero to say about what we've all been through the last three years. He's worn his face nappy in his own home when he's been making videos, just completely pushing the official agenda. How can you have any respect for these people anymore when they've demonstrated where their Lord is lie? They're more concerned with their careers and their salaries than with standing up for truth and freedom and where humanity goes from this point forward. The last three years has been the ultimate soul test for everyone in terms of where they stand, you know, what their value system consists of and the vast overwhelming bulk of people have failed that soul test, sorry to say. Many, well, not as many as there should be, but a good number have passed the test and it's been very encouraging to see the people that have finally woken up to truth and come to a grudging realization of the true nature of the world in which we live as a result of the events of the last three years. So that's great and I always enjoy hearing from people who have been awakened by the situation we've all found ourselves in. We just need, we need more, you know, our numbers are growing and it is encouraging to see things moving in the right direction but we're still a long way from where we need to be. So the work for the likes of us continues and what else would we be doing with our lives in these times? And on that point, Mark, I'm going to bring up our wonderful picture that I know you have in the background there because you showed me it. Yeah. This is by our dear brother who's also called Mark and it's so funny that you just said what you said because I literally held this up to my girlfriend yesterday and I made a few points and I made a couple of points and I did a live video yesterday, I think it was. And I said, you know, these are all the legends that stood up for the children. On the one hand, there's not many there in this picture. Are there when you take the industry, you know, whether it's media music or for me, podcaster, not that many people which then makes me feel incredibly humbled that I'm bloody there. There's me with my green lid on. Again, not a lot of like veterans in this picture, folks, but I said to my girlfriend, bloody hell, if you told me 20 years ago when a wogum was ridiculing David for, you know, speaking his truth, going through an incredibly challenging time in his life where he's clearly experiencing some form of awakening and yet they ridiculed this legendary man and tried to destroy his life to the point where he says himself he couldn't go anywhere without people just laughing. It's a funny world mate, isn't it? Where, lo and behold, I rock up and I'm in the same freedom movement and very proud of that. And obviously, I represent the veterans out there that went up to London for the, we call them protests or supported from the background. It wasn't that many, Mark, mainly because I don't think they get it. I don't think it's that they're bad people. Which leads me to wonder what would it take for them to get it? How bad does it have to get? Does it literally have to get to the stage where the military are beating down people's doors and carrying out their children in the middle of the night with tanks rolling down the street? Does it really have to get that bad? It's been so blatant, so obvious these past three years. The class, the network, the types of organizations and individuals that run the world and what their ultimate agenda is, it can't get any more bloody blatant. If it beat you around the head with a baseball bat or screaming through a bullhorn, I am tyranny. I am tyranny. I still feel like certain people wouldn't get it. So that picture that you just showed there is a historical document for these times. And people can look back to that image, decades or centuries from now, and see a bunch of people who were prepared to stand up for what they knew to be right. I know that many people will have their idea who in that picture constitutes a gatekeeper or a shill. We get that all the time with the prominent names in this scene. Everyone's going to have their own opinion on that. But I'm also very humbled to be in that picture because there's not that many individuals there and to have made the grade is an incredible thing. I did a talk at the weekend at Hope Sussex for the Uprising Shine conference and I ended it on a sort of positive note for the audience by asking them to imagine maybe 100 years from now a future generation looking back on life in the 2020s and studying what it was like to be alive in these times, to have gone through what we all have these past three years. And we are the generation that is charged with the responsibility of turning this situation around so that there are going to be people in 100 years that are free enough to be able to look back on these times and wonder what it was like. So we have been given an incredible responsibility and it's absolutely imperative that we don't squander it because it's those of us who are adults in the 2020s that are going to determine where humanity goes from here, whether it goes into complete abject tyranny and human slavery and if we allow it to get to a certain point, it will become irreversible. The infrastructure that will get put into place will be so far advanced that you won't be able to turn it back. We'll all be living in bloody gulags if we allow it to come to that. Or is this going to be humanity's greatest moment? Are we going to lead the species into a new era of higher-minded free living where we truly embrace personal sovereignty and recognize our true nature as free beings? Shake off evil, shake off darkness, put it down, refuse to cooperate with it in our mass numbers. Which way is it going to go? We are the ones who collectively get to decide and the way that the dynamics of natural law in the universe work are to dish out appropriate consequences for the behaviors that we collectively choose and individually. You can see it on an individual basis in your own life. If you make really bad decisions and if you do things which are morally wrong and which cause harm, just wait and see what happens to you. Wait and see if you're going to live a happy fulfilled life or whether your life becomes chaotic and a mess. And that also happens collectively on a mass basis. So when a group of people, whether it's a community, whether it's a nation or whether it's the entire world, embraces behaviors and value systems and thought patterns which aren't in alignment with right action, morality. Wait and see what happens to that group, to that community, to that population. It's the same thing, you know. If you exude ignorance and apathy and cowardice, you're going to reap the appropriate consequences for those kind of behaviors on a mass basis. And the unfortunate thing is that if the vast majority in society are in that state of consciousness and are living in that way, they are going to drag along with them the small amount of us that don't want to live in those kind of conditions who do stand for right action and freedom and morality. We're going to be pulled along and dragged down with the masses and we don't deserve it. You might make an argument that they do, but we don't because we've taken the personal responsibility to stand in truth and right action. So it becomes our responsibility, our duty to try and influence the masses to come over onto the side of truth so that they don't drag everyone down with them into the mire. That's why our work is so important in these times. When you have these understandings, when you've taken on this knowledge, you can't sit around watching TV, watching the football, going shopping, going to McDonald's. You can't do that because you realize what a responsibility you have to do whatever you can to turn this situation around. That's what motivates guys like us. That's what motivates everyone that's out there, attending these freedom rallies, organizing these events, organizing conferences, meetup groups, writing books, doing documentary films, doing public talks, running blog sites, whatever the contribution is that people are making. They're feeling that same sense of motivation that we do and they realize that we're up against a deadline here. Time is not on our side. But having said all of that, the freedom that we seek absolutely can still be achieved if the will is there. So the will has to be there on a collective basis. There has to be a significant proportion of us in society to influence the way events play out. And it can still work in our favor. But we have a lot of work on to win over as many as we can into our ranks. The analogy is that we're out there on a battlefield on the front line fighting this war and we need more troops on our side. At the moment, there's not enough. So we need to call more onto the battlefield so that we can win this one. And that's what we're faced with. That's the analogy. That's the metaphor for what life is like in 2023, right? Very well put, Mark, very well put. And I just want to add to that and say it's not just about fighting for true freedom and the abolition of the slavery that we are heading rapidly towards. Indeed, there's machinations of it all around us all the time at the moment. But it's also about individuals setting themselves free not just from the matrix, but from off the top of my head from the ego trap. So like you said, I mean, you take the music industry. I could take the military industry. Where were they, Mark? You know, come on. And Middleton bless him. And he's a lovely guy. And I've had a couple of interactions, albeit I think over text with Ant. But he tried to come out and say when the thing started, hey, I don't let this change my routine. I still go up and I hug people in the airport when they, you know, boom, what happened? Was it Channel 4? I think they did the SAS. They, you know, they, they, they, they, they axed him. And what I'm saying friends is to then count out of the agenda and go, okay, well, I tried them. What it means is, Mark, isn't it that you're living in fear? So you're living in your ego self, your birth certificate identity, basically, and you're going to continue to live your whole life, not knowing that you are a free, sovereign human being. The ego is just a thing, you know, part of human, human evolution. You can actually take that and put it to one side. This is called meditation where you, you take yourself away from your birth certificate identity and you experience genuine 100% freedom with your connection with universe. Some people call that God, you know, whatever. But to go your whole life going, well, no, you know, they're wearing all this stuff in test because I'm just, you're never going to experience the beauty of freedom and not living in fear, hey? Yeah, it's a life opportunity squandered. And we are free sovereign human beings for as long as we're in these bodies having these experiences. But there's going to come a point where we're going to transition. People call it dying, but all that happens really is the consciousness leaves the body and goes back to source where it came from, the spirit world. And we continue on. So imagine reviewing your life, your higher self, looking back on what you did with the opportunities that were afforded to you with the body that you found yourself in, in the part of the world you found yourself in, in the profession you found yourself in with the people you found yourself with. And reflecting on how you count out to the system after maybe putting up a bit of a fight, but then giving into fear or concerns for your salary or whatever it may have been, and then just falling back into line. Imagine how disappointed you're going to be with yourself. And also there's going to be karma that we're going to reap. There are different names for it, you know, in certain traditions it's referred to as karma, but I think everyone knows what we're talking about here. It's payback for the choices that you made for how you lived your life. Again, it's consequentialism, cause and effect. You can call it any of these things. But if we don't learn the lessons that we come into these lives to live, and if we give into fear instead of standing for truth, freedom, justice, love, then there's a very strong chance, I feel, that we're going to have to come back, reincarnate into a new body because this dynamic is real as far as I'm concerned, and go through this shit all over again. Now who would want to make the choice to come back to this hell world when you actually have the opportunity to transcend it and learn your lessons, evolve, grow and move on to a different form of consciousness. And I feel the lives that we're all living right now are an opportunity for our souls to undergo that experience. You know, there are metaphysical levels to this. If there are atheists watching, then you're not going to get it. You're just not going to resonate with what I'm saying here. But anyone with any kind of spiritual leanings and a recognition that life goes on beyond the physical bodies that we find ourselves in currently, then maybe this message will resonate. So the ultimate message here is just don't squander these opportunities. Everyone's got the chance to stand on the right side of history now. We are going to be judged by future generations. And everyone's going to be remembered. I've been saying this since the beginning of 2020 when I first started making my videos, commenting week by week on the madness that we found ourselves living through. I said from day one that history is being written, that creation is watching and everyone is going to be judged based on what side of the fence they chose to stand on. Do you want to go down in history? Do you want to go down in the Akashic Records if you accept that consciousness, that idea? As someone who just went along to get along, who helped to prop up these tyrannical agendas because you didn't want any hassle or trouble in your life, or do you want to go down as someone who stood for what they knew to be right and who stood in opposition to evil and darkness? Pretty much a no-brainer, isn't it? Mate, you've epitomised the answer to that. I've done my best too as well. I love my whole thing now, Mark, and this sets this podcast aside from, I would say, almost every other chat show podcast. There's a few great podcasts out there that specifically focus on the spiritual battle, and there's some wonderful channels. John St Julian, who I tip my hat off to, I've learnt an awful, awful lot from John. But just to pick up on your point, we have free-flowing energy through us, don't we? Which is in tune with this incredible existence. They call it the universe. And from that, we can manifest a state of paradise, which is what I like to think I've got to. I'm not saying I don't have challenges, folks. I'm not saying my ego doesn't get to me at times and I get upset when someone says something hurtful to me. But what I realise is that these are all blockers for this free-flowing energy, and when I fall down and I go back to old habits, boom, I'm literally putting this blocker between me and everything this life has to manifest, which is why the chat that Mark and I have is so important. It's so important to realise if you live in fear, that's an ego mechanism. It's that you're worried about something or worried about, for example, something someone might think about you. If you're a celebrity, that might be your great, great, great public. But what that essentially is doing is sealing you into your lower-dimensional self. Probably getting a bit deep here, folks. I'll cut out of this, but I say this because I know there's people out there that are starting to grasp this, and I genuinely believe, because I look at a lot of YouTube channels and all they're really doing is selling people on fear. They're triggering endorphins in their brain that are addicted to that stimulation of fear. This is what they're doing to us next. Oh, my God, did it? I really feel the way out of this, Mark, is what you've just said is to understand the karmic kind of principles and understand, like Sun Tzu said, the art of war, very great, but you can download it free for folks on audiobooks. It's a great listen. But what did he say? He said, understand your enemy and what is imperative there if you want to do that. You need to know what their tactics are and their tactics are fear, fear, control, and making you feel bad about yourself. Ironically, and Mark and I are going to come on to discuss one of their biggest tools to do that is the music industry. How many young women have been damaged for life because they haven't got the right size boobies as Beyonce or they think the way to go through life is to twerk your butt into a bloke's face. Sorry, Mark, I thought going off a bit on there on one, but I hope it resonates with someone, you know? Yeah. Well, fear is the key, which was the title of an Alistair McLean novel that got made into a film. So he obviously knew a thing or two. That's how they do it. It's fear-based mind control. They do it through the mainstream media. They do it through popular culture and entertainment. They do it through everything, through the military, of course, through the world of politics and academia. They want people afraid because they're much easier to control then. So we have to transcend the fear. And I'm not saying I don't get afraid from time to time. You know, I experience fear just as much as anyone else. It just becomes a case of transcending that and keeping your focus on the big picture. So if you've got maybe 20 or 30 years left in life, you know, I mean, maybe I've got 30 years tops, you've got to think about whether it's worth squandering opportunities that are available to you in that time and giving it to fear versus eternity and what lies beyond these lives, you know? And like I said earlier, it's a no-brainer. The answer has to be, well, then I have to step up and do all I can. And you have to find ways of breaking through the fear, whatever form that may take. And a simple way of doing that is just to think about what life is going to be like in society for our own children, their generation and their children's generation. If we don't step up right now where we've still got the opportunity and put down what we know to be the future plans of this so-called elite ruling class, because they make no bones about it. They're very open with what they plan to do. They tell us about it in advance, even something as simple as these 15-minute cities. If people just think about what the daily reality is going to be like of living in one of those nightmare scenarios where your every movement is tracked, where you have to keep a tab of how many days that year you've left a certain line on a map, because if you go over that number of days, you're going to get a fine. And then if they link that to the social credit system that they're trying to bring in, you'll get a bad mark against your name, against your account, and your number of credits will go down, and that will affect your ability to get access to certain products and services. You're going to be surveilled and monitored everywhere. Your every purchase is going to be tracked if everything goes cashless, which is something else they're trying to bring in. If you pay for everything digitally, they're going to know what you eat, what you drink, whether you buy cigarettes, you know, where you go on your holidays, everything about you. How pleasant is it going to be to live in that kind of society? Nobody would want that. And we still have the opportunity to prevent that from happening if we rise up in our mass numbers and make it abundantly clear that we're not having it, that we do not consent. Again, we need more numbers. We need more on our side. And I don't know what it's going to take. I guess things are just going to have to get that much worse for everyone to motivate the sufficient numbers. As you say, in every field, in every profession, some have stepped up. Some military veterans, some DJs have stepped up, not many. Some musicians have stepped up, again, not many. Some doctors, I guess, of all groups, it's medical doctors and medical professionals that have stepped up the most because of the obvious ramifications of these agendas. So there's a few from each field. There's a few politicians, you know, but where are the others? What are they thinking? They're quiet and not rocking the boat and not affecting their salaries and their pension plans. Things are somehow going to magically get better. Everything's going to improve. Everything's going to go away. You see, I think people have been lulled into a false sense of security by the fact that the most obvious over elements of the agenda of the past three years have gone away. So the threat is not as in your face as it was in 2020 or 2021. But all that's happened is that the threat has morphed and it's changed its appearance and it's changed its nature. It's still there. It's just taken on a different shape. And we have to remain alert and vigilant to know the form that the threat is now taking. It's there in the shape of 15-minute cities. It's there in the shape of the threat of digital currency, replacing cash. It's there in these various social engineering agendas that are being done, particularly targeting children. Some of the stuff that's being talked to them in schools is still there. It's still very insidious. So we have to remain alert as to what we're up against. And again, the responsibility falls on the likes of us to get more numbers on our side. I keep going back to that because that's key to how we get out of this. Once we reach a critical mass tipping point, then things will be irreversible. Things then start to work in humanity's favor instead of in the favor of these sick, psychopathic so-called elites. We have to get to that point. I don't know where that lies. I don't know whether it's a few months away. I don't know whether it's a few years away. I don't know whether it's outside of our lifetimes. Either way, we are faced with responsibilities to creation, which go beyond any salary or pension plan or mortgage. Mark, I just want to make the point. We will get there, folks. All right. I absolutely have no doubt. We're headed there. We're headed in the right direction. Yes. I'm going to keep talking what I talk because 53 years of experimenting with substances which led to chronic mental health, travelling, silly adventures and running across the... You sound like a DJ. I actually was a DJ in China, Mark. I won't diversify on to that. Yes. I'll tell you about that perhaps after the show. One of my beautiful... Playing music, beautiful house music. And again, we'll come on to this, but you can see how they clamped down on it. Because what was it about? It's about love, wasn't it? It was about Mark and I may never have met each other, yet we'd sit down on a club floor, maybe share something together, and I love him. He loves me, cuts through all the class barrier, cuts through all the years of indoctrination that you've had from school. And you realise, do you know what? People are bloody lovely. They are just bloody lovely. And we just all want to get along. We all want to get along. A couple of points I'll pick up on there, Mark, is not just the measures you mentioned like the digital currency, the cameras, the 15-minute... Obviously, still a major issue is the fact that the majority are programmed by a mainstream media because they willingly volunteered to pay... pay their money every year, which I congratulate anybody who doesn't do that anymore. But there's some realities here, Mark. This isn't like a future scenario. I know yourself and myself have been heavily censored in terms of what we're allowed to say on the various different platforms. I'm on a... I'm a public figure. Ha-ha. Folks, birth certificate, identity nonsense. I mean, nothing by it, but I have a blue tick on Facebook. I also am on my final warning on Facebook, even though I've never had any warning ever before, because my wonderful producer put a tiny clip of me in Tommy. Everyone knows the Tommy I'm referring to. Tommy and I had a chat, and do you know what? Because I do what I do, we had a beautiful chat, and we talked about love and humanity and changing opinions as we get older. It was so valuable. But of course, boom, the old censorship brigade, they don't care about that. They're afraid of certain messages getting out there. They're afraid of certain information being traded, and they're not coming from a position of strength. You know, if we go back into sort of military speak again, war tactics does a side in a battle come from a place of strength and winning if they need to resort to dirty tactics like that? Or does it rather suggest that they're in a position of weakness, they're coming from a place of cowardice, and they're terrified of being exposed and losing the fight? I would suggest it's the latter. So when these Joker clown platforms get rid of us and try to censor our messages like that, it indicates that they are afraid of us. They do fear the messages and the knowledge that we seek to share, and they will resort to dirty, snidey, snivelly little bitch-ass tactics to prevent that from getting out. And the point, an additional point I was making there, Mark, is, you know, for people that think when you rock up to pay for your groceries and they say, I'm sorry, Mr Smith, your credit is no longer accepted, they're not going to say this in Tesco, folks, but for the example, the checkout girl goes, oh, were you protesting last in London? It affects you, folks. It's affecting me now. I wouldn't say that a certain video platform is my livelihood, but it does pay for another, you know, it pays for our production fees. Well, as Tesco themselves say, every little helps, right? Yes. But Mark, I could be in a very different boat tomorrow if I woke up and I'd been taken down, and we've had warnings and it's a constant, again, you know, I don't fear it because I don't do fear. If I woke up tomorrow and all of my life was different, do you know what? I laugh my ass off, hug my family, smile and go, right, what's next? But my point is, it's powerful stuff. It does affect you, folks. Don't think that, oh, yeah, but, you know, so long as you tow the line, digital currency, you know, it will affect us. But on that point, Mark, listen, you're my guest. I'm fascinated to hear actually your story. You're very brave and honourable doing what you do, speaking out. But you're Mark Devlin. You're a bloody DJ. I blag my way as DJ of the biggest club in southern China. I taught myself to DJ. Literally, I went live in a nightclub in Hong Kong and went, right, hang on, I've seen me, mates, you know, I've met Brandon Block and Alex and they have this thing on one ear, don't they? That's not why I've got a one ear now, folks. It just gives me a sense of balance if I can hear out this ear. Anyway, I went into me nightclub. It's called The Big Apple in Hong Kong. Roy, if you're watching, he was the manager at the time. Roy said, yeah, Chris, get down there. And all I wanted to do was write down the names of the tracks, Mark, because I danced to them all throughout the dance scene, loved it. I didn't know what their names were. So I went in the DJ box, I was starting to write down the names and the Filipino band that was playing, which is a Hong Kong tradition, finished. The lead singer came over to the DJ booth and he went, excuse me, over to you. Oh, OK, right. So I queued up a record. I got another one waiting to go. I remembered the one ear thing. Right, that's got to be the slider between that one and that one. A and B, that's me head right. I think I've got this. You sure did black that one. And it ended up that I went to China for this interview and I ended up getting the job, but it's a whole other thing. If you want to read more about it, it's in my memoir, They're Eating Smoke. But what I want to say is just big up to you, mate. You know, DJing is an art. It's one thing playing the old records like we did at kids, did as kids, the old 45s. But you could put a stack of 10 of them on your little red player. What got you into playing music? I've always been someone that loved music. It's been part of my life path. I get quite philosophical about it these days. And I just conclude that I came into this life to do the work that I'm doing now. And in order to be doing that, I had to be someone that fell in love with music and that studied it and that just knew a lot about the scene so that I would develop the passion to want to become a DJ. That's what it was. You know, I spent my childhood listening to the top 40 on Radio One on a Sunday where I heard all the chart hits. That's what made me fall in love with pop music first off. And then in the 80s, I had a school friend. I grew up in a small market town in West Oxfordshire, which is not renowned for its musical heritage, you know. But there was this one kid at school that was into black dance music and he used to bring a radio cassette into school and he used to play the soul funk hip-hop of the day. And I was captivated by that. It was so different to anything else I'd ever heard. And I got into sort of black music, black dance music. And then house music came along. So this was mid-80s, just ready for the explosion in electronic and house music which was pioneered by the acid house rave scene of the UK, second summer of love, so-called, 1988-89. And so that got me into dance music. But at the same time, I gravitated towards hip-hop. I loved rap and hip-hop. Listening to the aforementioned Tim Westwood when he was on Capitol Radio, the Capitol Rap Show, that got me into that whole culture. And when I became a DJ, I wanted to play that music. So I veered more towards the rap, the hip-hop, the R&B, the reggae, that sort of stuff. I always kept an ear open for the house and dance music. I was always into that. I always knew a lot about it. But I just became a DJ who was recognised for playing R&B and hip-hop parties. So that became my full-time job. I was very fortunate enough to be able to do that for a livelihood for around about 20 years. I did radio shows on different stations in the UK. And I was fortunate enough to be able to travel up and down the length and breadth of the UK and internationally to DJ. Never actually played in mainland China. I did a couple of gigs in Taipei, Taiwan. And I did a couple in Tokyo. I played in Singapore. But I never actually made it to China. But happy days for as long as they lasted. But towards the end of that career, so we're getting to around about 2006, 2007, I'd become something of a jobbing DJ. So whereas previously I was playing guest spots at really great clubs and promoters were booking me to play these great events. By 2006, I'd taken jobs at various bars and different sort of static venues where I was just turning up week after week and playing the same old tunes to the same old crowd. And I was starting to get very bored with it. Also the music had changed by that point as well. I got into the game in the 90s. Everything in the 90s was so different to what it is now. And so much better, I would say. Hip-hop and rap music was so much better. House and dance music was so much better. Movies and films were so much better. And it really started to diminish by sort of 2006. I was just getting very uninspired by it all. And I decided that I just wanted to change profession because I wasn't getting the same bars, the same thrill out of DJing that I once did. And I guess that was partly what inspired me to go on the path of research that I did. I was reading books by the likes of David Ike. I'd been put onto the film Zeitgeist, the first Zeitgeist movie by Danny Rampling actually. We were stranded in an airport in Riga, Latvia one time when we both played the same festival event. And we got chatting and Danny put me onto this amazing film Zeitgeist, which when I watched it, it blew my mind. It completely changed my world view. And so right about these times, 2007, 2008, I was starting to reevaluate my entire perception of what this world was all about. And one thing led to another, and that's what put me on the path to research in the true nature of the music industry. The first major result of that was my first musical truth book, which I self-published in early 2016. And by that point, that was based on five years worth of pretty intensive research into what the music industry is really used for. And then I put out another two volumes of musical truth. I put my allegorical novel, The Cause and the Cure Out, in between volumes two and three. And over the course of the past, it's about 12, 13 years now. I've just done countless podcasts, videos, interviews such as this. I've got into doing live talks and conferences. I do one of those pretty much every weekend now. I'm continuing to write books. And I've just settled on any way that I possibly can to get these important messages out there to as many people as possible. And people are often very kind and gracious enough to say to me, oh, it's amazing what you do. It's incredible. And I really don't see it that way. I take a very humble view of what I do. I think everyone should be doing this. Everyone who wakes up to truth and who realizes what humanity is up against in terms of this insidious control system that we have should be doing something similar to this. Whether it's putting out podcasts, whether it's making documentary films, whether it's doing live talks, whether it's producing graphics, making flyers, whatever your skill is, printing t-shirts with impactive messages on, whatever it may be, everyone should be doing something. I don't see anything exceptional about what I do. It's just what I recognize I must do. And I'm drawing on the skill sets and the experience that I've had in my life, doing radio shows, being a DJ, touring, getting, you know, getting out there and addressing large crowds. That's what I do. Everybody else can be doing something. Everyone's got some skill to offer. Everyone's got some quality that they can be putting to use in this battle, in this war. So there really is nothing special about what I do. It's just that I've been very successful with it. I've clearly woken up a lot of people. I know this because I get emails every single day from people all over the world and they say, thank you so much for your output. Your content has really impacted on me. It's caused me to change my entire outlook, my worldview. I've changed my behaviors and my lifestyle and in some cases my job as a result. I now speak out to other people, which is great to hear. And I don't mention that because I'm coming from any place of ego. It's not about me. It's never about me. It's always about the message. I'm just simply conveying the fact that if I can have that kind of impact on that many people and at the end of the day, I'm just a regular dude. I'm just an ordinary guy from England. No special qualifications. Didn't go to university. I'm just someone that has embraced the skill sets that I have and put them to effective use and I've had great success in woken up people through doing that. So if I can do it, pretty much anybody can. At the end of the day, I'm just a fucking DJ. I'm fascinated to ask you, Mark. And again, if friends at home will forgive me, I use myself as an example again. I've had several kind of like awaitings in life. To come out of chronic addiction, you have an enlightening moment. I think they call it the epiphany and you probably have a few of them, if I was to be honest. And the whole dance thing really woke me up to cut through the class barriers that my parents' generation had put upon me. That you got like a lawyer and a banker up there and you've got your refuse collector there. And yet you're in a dance club, shaking a mean old groove and you've got your lawyer there and you've got your refuse collector there and you're all like, yeah. But there was one thing in particular and again, we've got to be careful what we say here. So I'm just going to kind of skirt around it. But there was a certain event about 20 years ago that happened in America. They're very, very significant events, folks, you know. And there was one particular part of that event where it just, it didn't make sense. This, if we call it a collapse was alleged to have happened and it physically went against any law of not just physics but like human reasoning. And it bugged me for ages and myself and a couple of close friends of mine. It's amazing when you're in that phase because you're constantly going, no, I can't be right. Could it all be a lie? But there was that one particular event. I know you know what I'm talking about, Mark. You know, there's a certain... 10 plus one. Yes. It was that particular thing that was physically impossible from what the mainstream attack. No, no, no. It's exposed it. It's given the key in the lock for anyone who cared to then delve deeper and expo... And that's like literally what I did. I'm a lifelong learner. I want to find out about life because probably to answer my own questions, Mark, you know. And it was that one thing that you couldn't go back on that, you know. And I'm just wondering for yourself, was there a monumental moment in your life? No, not really. There was no one single catalytic event. It was a gradual process with me. And to my eternal shame in 2001 when those events occurred that you've just mentioned, to start with, I bought the official story. You know, I was under societal mind control the same as anyone else, and I knew no better back then. So for a short period, I actually bought what we were being told. You know, it really shames me to think back to being in that sort of state of consciousness now. But as the years progressed, of course, I came to realise that there were so many discrepancies and anomalies with what we were being told there. And then, of course, I discovered the truth about so many other aspects of life and embarked on the path that I ended up going on. But it was a gradual process with me. There was no one single event there. Had you been... I don't want to get personal and you don't have to answer anything you don't want, Mark. But I think for me, you know, I had a very challenging childhood and it was a deep-scented resentfulness of, like, authority. You know, I don't... I'm fricking trusting. I still have a problem around adults today. I'm a bit scared of them, mate, if I was honest, you know? Right. Which is why I'm lucky to meet people like yourself who don't scare me at all, folks. You know, but I really... And it was... I think that spurred me then to see that the extent of this huge lie that I kind of related it to the wrongness that I'd experienced in what I perceived was wrong, you know? Things move on, things move on, folks. But did you have, like, a rocky background or, you know, were things all sort of gravy? No, not rocky in any way, really. Very boring, actually. My childhood was quite ordinary. I was an only child. I was very quiet and shy as a child. Didn't have many friends, wasn't very popular in school. I was always pretty much an outsider. You know, I was never one of the popular kids. I never got selected for any of the sports teams. So I was sort of on the outside looking in in many ways. So I suppose that made it easier for me to go against the grain in my adult life and stray away from mainstream society. I was never into the same movies as everyone else. I grew up in the 70s and all the other kids at school loved the first Star Wars movie when it came out. And I didn't even go and see it. And I think I've only seen it once to this day. And many people watching this are going to be horrified to hear this, but I just don't see the appeal of the Star Wars movies. They just never got to me in that way. And I was also around when punk rock first emerged. And there was one particular friend of mine that lived in the same street that got into the Sex Pistols when we were seven years old. And he went out and bought all the Sex Pistols records unbeknown to his dad. He had to keep it a secret from him, otherwise he'd burn them. But I was never into that. I never sort of gravitated towards those sort of fads and trends. It was different with the acid house rave scene because in 1988 I was 18 and I was rife for manipulation. So when that scene came along, I was very much entranced by it and I very much gravitated towards it and got embroiled in it. But other than that, I've been someone that doesn't really go with trends in society. So I don't watch TV. I've never watched TV. I'm not into football. I'm just not into stuff that the masses are into. And I never have been. So my childhood didn't have any particular hardships. I've spoken to so many people in the work that I do that have had terrible backgrounds and some of their stories just shock me in terms of what they've been through and my heart really goes out to them because I never went through anything like that myself. I just had a very boring childhood and upbringing and I never really felt like I belonged anywhere. In the earlier stage, I've just felt like I've never belonged in this place generally, you know, the world, this reality. I can remember being about four or five years old and looking at myself in the mirror and just thinking, what am I doing here? I shouldn't be here. This is a mistake. And clearly I incarnated into this life at this time to be doing the work that I'm now doing. It's very, very clear to me now that that was the case. But back then I just didn't know that difficulty fitting into things. And I think it was all essential grounding. We all go through these experiences to take us to where we need to be. It's training. That's what it is, you know, it's getting us ready for our real work. There comes a point in our lives where we realize what we're here to do and we have to roll up our sleeves and knuckle down to it and get the work done. And there would have been a period of training and getting us ready for that process. And it takes many different forms. With each of us it will be, you know, a different process. With me, I had to become a music fan. I had to get to know a lot about the music industry. I had to get out there as a DJ, being a part of the industry, playing this music. I had to be doing radio shows. I had to get used to interviewing artists and I had to travel and do DJ gigs all over the place to get me ready for what I'm now doing. And this is it, you know, shit is real now. Can we just say, just say there, Mark, because you describe in your feelings of, let's just call it isolation as a kid, no different to me, mate. And I just want to say to anyone watching young people, old people, that's a, we're all unique, you know, it's a special thing. Once you find your purpose in this world, you'll get, and to not follow the crowd and to be different, that's a gift. It's a badge of honour, mate. Yeah. Where it would pry it. Exactly. The other thing, Mark, I wanted to mention is, I used the Star Wars. I was like yourself. All the kids in my class, it was 1976, if I remember rightly. 77, I think. 77, yeah. They all went to see it. We didn't, basically. Aren't people going to be horrified to hear that? You know, fans of that franchise, they're going to think, what the fuck? What is wrong with you guys? Yeah. How were you not feeling that film? Mark, here's the irony. It's years later, when it got to like videos and VHS, and I think I just hired a copy from the shop. And like you did in them days when you got your money's worth, didn't you? You watched it, then you went, right, should we watch it again? And you could chain watch films. The beauty of that whole thing now is, you know this thing, this Luciferian doctrine where they've got to show you what they do before they do it. Hence why we saw, you know, the events we've talked about. You saw a lot of stuff mentioned in like The Simpsons. Hundreds and hundreds of movies. Yes. Revolution of the Method. But the thing with Star Wars, it's a great representation. I don't even want to say metaphor, or maybe that is. But it's the Kundalini experience. It's enlightenment. You're talking, you've got your dark side there, which is what I call a big club. The people that are pulling the strings, folks. And then you've got your young Luke Skywalker there. It doesn't realize he's also got that power. They call it the Force, don't they? The Force. And the Force doesn't have to be for the darkness. The Force can be for good and should be for good. And that metaphor mark obviously is lost on the masses. But it's so obvious. Even the colors, the black of Darth Vader, the white of Luke Skywalker. It's an allegory. That's the word. And they do this with so many movies. You know, in Star Wars, I've since watched it, so I have seen it now. They are telling you that everything's a choice. And they're showing you that light, good, can overcome darkness and evil if we want it. So the message is right there in that movie. And this is coming from Hollywood, which is full of all kinds of unsavory activities, as we well know. Hollywood is run by absolute bloody demons. And yet in this vehicle that came out of that institution, they're giving humanity this inspiring, empowering message. And it's not just that movie. It's everywhere. It's in most movies, actually. Most movies coming out of Hollywood, most blockbusters. Avatar is another one. There's a new Avatar movie now. I've taken my daughter to see it at the weekend. There's a message in that movie, which is talking about how we can overcome adversity and darkness and evil if the consciousness is there to do it and the will is there to do it. So there it is embedded into the narratives of these movies. And it's in TV shows. It's in songs. A lot of very famous rock songs have talked about this. They talk about Kundalini energy. They talk about the raising of the chrysalm oil, the illumination of the pineal gland, the attaining of higher levels of consciousness is out there in popular culture vehicles. If only people would know how to interpret it. So they veil it in allegory and metaphor and you've got to know how to decode it. This is actually inspiring the writing process of the book that I'm putting together at the moment, which is called The Gift and the Curse. It's another novel. It's the follow up to my cause and the cure novel. And I've been inspired by all these things that I've mentioned, films and rock songs to put allegorical elements into the narrative. So in my story, there's going to be a surface narrative, the exoteric for the masses. So if you're someone that just wants a bit of a gripping thrilling read, then the surface narrative might appeal to you. But if you're someone that like stripping away layers and looking at symbolism and allegory and decoding anagrams and hidden meanings and esoteric teachings, this sort of thing. Then I've put all that in there as well. And I was very much inspired by the movies of Stanley Kubrick in this because that guy was a bloody genius. Clearly he came from the inner circle of certain secret society fraternities, I would say, to be armed with that sort of esoteric knowledge. But he put so much of that knowledge into his movies. So for instance, you can watch The Shining. And the exoteric representation of that movie is that it's about this guy, Jack Nicholson, who is the caretaker of this remote hotel. And he goes a bit crazy and tries to murder his family with an axe. OK, you know, if that's what you want to get out of the film, then that's what that film holds for you. But if you want a bit more higher minded meaning behind that film, there is so much there once you strip away that surface narrative. You know, there's endless interpretations of what The Shining is really telling us. It's not about a guy that goes crazy with an axe. It's about so much more than that. So I've got great admiration for how these stories, these parables, these teachings have been encoded into these movies. And I'm trying to achieve that with my fiction writing now. So, yeah, it's a beautiful thing when you can learn how to decode these things because they're offering them up to us. If only we would accept them, you know, I think there's hidden meanings in many songs where you can take them one way. Or you could take them another. And one example I always give is Led Zeppelin's Stairway to Heaven. Stairway to Heaven is a very beautiful song. It's got some very inspiring elements to it. And I think ultimately it's talking about Kundalini energy. It's talking about that energy going up the human spinal column. That's the stairway to heaven. And when that energy, that oil, goes into the center of the human brain, which is where the pineal gland resides. And this alchemical process takes place. It can result in the illumination of the pineal gland and the attaining of elevated levels of consciousness. That song is telling you all about that. That's what the stairway to heaven is. So a song can be one thing or another. A movie can be one thing or another, depending on the consciousness that we apply to it. I'm so glad you picked up on that. Because just when you mentioned Stairway to Heaven, I thought Kundalini, first thing that come into my head. Somebody said, oh, it says my sweet Satan in it. And I thought, gosh, it's hard enough writing the music one way around. Let me tell you something. If you're sitting around your house playing your albums backwards, you are Satan. What I see from the music is in industry, well, what is certainly a major fact of it, is keeping people in that birth certificate identity, keeping people in that fractured damage ego. Basically, you know, not feeling like they're worthy. And then, of course, you've got the, let's just call it the Sodom and Gomorrah layers, of putting this hideous message out to young people that this is how you behave. And this is going to make, you know, if you get the implants and you get all the tattoos, you know, again, they're pigeonholing people into this broken little box that unless you do something outstanding in life, you're a nobody, you're a loser. So, so much to unpick their mark just in itself. And I want to come on, you know, and talk about the club, what the hell is all that about? But do you have anything to say off the, I'm sure you do. Just picking up on what you've said there. The other week, I went through a load of my old vinyl records that I used to play in the clubs. And I wanted to throw down a mix on the turntables, crank them up, which doesn't happen too often these days. And so I went through a whole load of nineties hip hop and a bit of R&B and reggae stuff, all tunes I used to play. And I threw down a mix, which I was very happy with, very fast moving mix. It's full of bangers, club bangers, but listening back to the lyrical content, I was struck by just how obvious there were agendas being pushed back in the nineties. And how as someone that was so close to the music as a DJ, living and breathing it, playing this stuff every single day, it just went over my head in terms of agendas that were being pushed. It's so obvious to me now to listen back. So all the mainstream output from that decade was concerned with either promoting criminal lifestyles. So all the hip hop lyrics are talking about slinging crack, running guns, rolling in gangs, doing stick ups and drive buys, all this sort of thing. And when it's not that, it's all about the glorification of materialistic lifestyles and consumption. So Puff Daddy and Bad Boy Records were very responsible for this. You know, popularizing the idea of drinking crystal up in the club, rocking an expensive suit, women in expensive dresses and designer shoes and gold rims on your Jeep and gold chains and all this sort of thing. And those messages are horrific when I listen back to them now because what's being put out there to the young people listening to this music is that if you want to be successful in life and accepted, and if you want your life to have any kind of meaning, you've got to be rocking these brands. You've got to be drinking this champagne. You've got to be rolling in these sort of cars, you know, disgraceful messages. And I couldn't see it at the time because I was just subject to the programming in the same way that young people in every generation are. And that music, so-called, you can't even call it music anymore, that which masquerades as hip hop and R&B these days has moved on to pushing other agendas. So trans this trans that, you know, certain social engineering agendas and satanic stuff as well just straight ritualistic satanic Luciferian imagery is getting pushed through those scenes now. But it passed me by back in the day until I learned to be able to interpret the symbolism and the obvious signs that were there. So we've got master social engineers, psychologists, behavioral scientists on the payroll that are devising ways to weaponize popular culture and entertainment against people against the masses to implant certain ideas into their subconscious mind. And this leads us in to the symbolism, all these signs and symbols that we see a list artists doing. That all happens for a reason because it's getting absorbed by the subconscious mind of the viewing public. The conscious mind is not engaged, particularly when it's entertainment. If you're watching a movie or listening to some music or you're out to see a band, you think you're just having some fun. You think it's all just harmless entertainment. That's when they get you. That's when they implant the messages and the programming in your subconscious mind because your guard is down. And so they're implanted all these signs and symbols and sigils and they all carry energy because everything has a resonant energetic frequency signature to it. So a sign carries energy and certain energetic frequencies sync with certain others. And that's why they do this predictive program in this revelation of the method that you mentioned where they'll place depictions of something that they want to bring in to physical reality in a movie or a TV show or a music video, because they recognize that millions of people making an energetic connection with what they're seeing on the screen can help sync their vibrational frequency and their consciousness with the event in question. And it can actually help to manifest it into physical reality. That's why they love doing these events with large audiences might be the Super Bowl halftime show or the MTV VMAs or the Grammys or these huge stadium concerts with these big A-list artists. Because they're ways of bringing in a television audience in the millions, the multiple millions in many cases. That's a lot of hearts, minds and souls rife for manipulation. But the good news comes from the fact that we recognize this now. There's so many of us on the case. Many, many researchers, many people that I've learned from all the stuff that I know. I've learned from others, you know, other filmmakers and bloggers and writers, authors, vigilant citizen is a great site. I learned a lot from that one early on. And they're all over this now, you know, an event will happen. Maybe it's the Eurovision that we had the other weekend, and there'll be vigilant researchers all over it, picking it apart, showing you what the symbolism means, telling you what the significance was of this artist coming on stage in this particular way or wearing this costume or doing this particular gesture. They're all over it. So the cat is out of the bag. There's so much recognition of these old tricks, these old mind control tactics that the controllers have been using for decades or even centuries. And the public have just been falling for it en masse on a subliminal level, but they're not falling for it anymore. I mean, the majority obviously still are, but there are large numbers now who are awake and aware to this stuff. And they know what to look for. They know what the signs and symbols mean, and they've resolved not to be fooled in the same way that they used to be. And that's just a process that has to continue. It has to be ramped up. Those of us engaged in this work and exposing this stuff just have to double down and work ever harder to get through to new people and get them to see ways in which they're being manipulated. Something which I always say to people when I'm trying to get them to towards certain realizations is, do you like being mugged off? Do you like being a chump? Do you like being treated as a fool? Who's going to answer yes to that question? Who are you ever going to meet? That's going to say, yeah, I'm okay with being a chump. I'm okay with being considered a profane idiot, a moron. Nobody likes to think of themselves in that way. So if you can make people see that that's the way the controllers see us, they think we're all profane, ignorant, golemized morons. They like to lump the likes of you and I and people watching this video in with the masses, the NPCs, the morons, the normies, they just see us all the same. And many people don't appreciate being looked at in that way. I think that could be the key to getting through to young people, teenagers, people in their early twenties. Just by asking that simple question, do you like being treated as a chump? If you don't, you might want to look at the ways in which popular culture and entertainment is treating you as just that and assumes you to be just that. And if you don't want to be viewed in that way, and if you want to step out of the chump mug zone and become an informed, empowered individual, then there's information you can look at that can help you to achieve that status. I think if we can find a way of getting that empowering message out to large numbers of young people, possibly on TikTok, because TikTok is the platform, you know, that's the one where all the young people hang out and communicate with each other and stuff. Snapchat to a certain degree, but TikTok is the main platform. Then we could really be making some progress. The social engineers, the controllers, they want the minds and the souls of the young people. But those of us on Team God, Team Humanity, Team Creation, we want their hearts and their souls as well and their minds. And we want them for benevolent purposes. We don't want to control and dominate them. We want to liberate them, make them free. So there's a battle on, you know, the darker cultists, the controllers are after this group. And us who stand on the side of truth are after this group as well. So it's a question of who's going to get to them first and who's going to bring them over to their respective side. You know, my take on it, the way I explain it to people and you're welcome to, you know, come in on this. But I say, folks, there's so many incredibly talented musicians in the world, singers, the dirty. Go to an open mic night, you're going to see five people get up in a pub, half pissed. And they all deserve a record deal, you know, such beautiful, beautiful voices and rhythm, etc, etc. The music industry then they sign these people up, they give them a taste of success. And then they knock them back down again, they knock them down into the pits, they make them in some celebrity scandal, etc, etc. And then they bring them back up. And then this is that I think where they sign the, you know, quote unquote, Faustian pat. I say that because like, I don't actually think people sign their names in blood folk. But and then that's why you see some really good people of which I'm, you know, I know these people. And the next thing they're coming out with like an advert for take your family down the clinic and get them all into the old. And you're like, dude, what are you doing? And of course, it's obvious what they're doing. If they don't do it. They've been pulled back into line. Yes. Or maybe they've had a threat made against them. We don't know, you know, it can be a very empowering thing to have a personal threat made against you or a family member. So we don't know if that's going on behind the scenes. Exactly. Mark, listen, I'm acutely aware of the time you've been so kind to give us good luck with a book, mate. Your third third in the series. Well, the current book is my novel, which is the follow up to the cause and the cure. So this one is my second work of fiction. But I've got my three musical truth books. And I did put out a book way back in the day, actually, when I was still a full time DJ came out in early 2007 called Tales from the Flipside. That's like my forgotten piece of work. It's sort of a rarity. There's only about three copies in the world, I think, but this is actually my sixth book now. Good credit to you, mate, because I know what it takes to write a book. It's a stunning effort, but we'll put links to Mark's books below this video. So I strongly suggest you grab a copy because there's so much information in there that ties in with probably a lot of, you know, a lot of other stuff that you may or may not have learned. Mark, that just leaves me to say much love to you, brother. Thank you so much for coming on the show. Thank you for your committed input for the children. Everyone at home much, much love to you too. If you could like and subscribe would really appreciate it. We're trying to bring you the chance. You're not really going to hear in too many other places. And you know what? It's quite enlightening.