 Good morning everybody for the COVID-19 transition committee meeting. And Senator Nick had just kicked us off with asking the question, you know, sort of the process from here out. I guess Senator Westman will give his thoughts as well. I should just start by mentioning Senator Ash did, we sent him a draft to let him know that where we were at. And his only comment was that we provide a little bit more of an introduction around, you know, sort of the genesis of the committee, why we were doing this, just to make sure it didn't come off much as just a list of legislative priorities. But again, just give some context to the situation that we're dealing with and how we're working on things related to the transition itself. That was his only comment. And then what Rich and I thought we would do, which we did, was just send around, we incorporated additional comments from Debbie and Ruth and others. We made a few changes. And then we just sent around a clean draft to everyone. And I guess maybe in my, I was hoping that everyone would wake up to a bunch of emails that said, oh, I'm ready to sign on. I don't think I got a draft. I didn't see one. When did you send it? Yesterday. I don't believe it's possible that I didn't send it to you. That would be odd. But I kept counting and going around the room. And so I apologize if that's the case. Anyhow, I'll look at that right now. And then what we were thinking about doing was, was again, just seeing who's comfortable signing off, you know, we'd ask Luke to do final edits in terms of, so there's a consistency with language. So we don't all just sort of weigh in on the style. So there's one consistent style through the whole thing. And then, and go ahead, Senator Wesson. Ruth Wesson included. Oh, I apologize. Of course, that was, you know, I just kept going over and over and it did seem, to be honest, a little odd. I kept thinking, here it comes, Ruth. Here it comes with my apologies. No worries. I wondered, and I didn't want to bug you guys, but I was like, I think I'm supposed to have this. Oh, no. No, you didn't have it. It's like, I, you know, I just looked at the list. It's not there. Shit. Excuse me. Right. Well, I'll read it. You have your center alliance. Health and welfare committee, man. I know, man. We'll come up with the infraction that caused it later. So, Rich, am I missing anything? Did you want to add, I don't know if you talked to Tim too. It just sounded like I actually just got the voicemail from him. I think it would be good for us to, in the front of it, put some more pieces about what, and I actually think we should ask Tim, because Tim asked us. So a statement from him might be good. Yeah. Yeah, that sounds like a good idea. But I think, you know, it's, right now we're looking at, correct me if I'm wrong, Rich, really at content. If we can all get to an agreement, like a bill, you know, the content of this, do we have everything? We'll look to ledge council first, that sort of writing, consistent writing style. And I am, I'm not, I would like to get this out sooner rather than later, given that appropriations in Alice and Rich know better than I is really starting to jump into all these kinds of things. I'd like them to have this as well as other committees. So I'll leave it there. I actually agree with that. I think we know that there's a housing that was announced to all of us, that I think we can weigh in on. I also, on Friday, the consultant for broadband will come out with their report. Appropriations started on Thursday and Friday, having discussions about the first quarter budget and we'll get the bill either tomorrow or Wednesday. So it's a pretty appropriate time for us to weigh in. Yeah. So when you're ready for comments, I have a couple of thoughts. Okay. I think that I think it really captured everything that we said. Okay. Some of the, you know, that maybe makes it a little bit too long. I mean, we said all that's in there and it was really captured. But I think maybe is there a way of it's a big document for, I mean, if it was just going to Tim, that would be one thing, but it's obviously going to be used by a lot of places and that's good. A lot of work went into it. But I think, you know, for instance, on broadband, there's some places where I think we said the same thing twice. And I don't know if there's a way of reducing some of that to not be redundant. No, I think that's fine. We can ask Luke absolutely to look for any redundancies in editing. Absolutely. And there's just one piece that I'm viewing the document as something that we want to be, I guess, the way of putting this is to be very productive and rather than alienate anybody because they something was said that somebody would find amiss. So on the piece that I wrote just that one. Yeah. We had in the last meeting mentioned what you're breaking up a little bit, at least at my end, committees had just my thought of just saying about when operations started out, and then leaving the part out about judiciary. The other the very active in the beginning was economic development. If anybody deserves another accolade, they do in the very beginning, then everybody was healthcare was doing a lot of education, all kinds of committees, a lot. So I think just eliminating that piece about judiciary is like half a line or something. You mean the part where it said where judiciary had already advanced a number of things? Yeah, I don't have it in front of me because I can't remember putting that in so we can we can take that out so that other committees don't feel you know that their work wasn't recognized. That's fair. Let's see well I don't have it. Should we put it on the screen? Or you know maybe others have some thoughts. Let's see. My reprobably could put it on the screen and we could see it. I don't know if she has it but Luke would put it on the screen. That would be great. Myra, this is Luke. Can you make me a co-host please? I think Senator Herney had a comment. I just did. Great. Ruth has got her hand up. Okay. Yeah, I'm just scrolling through it because I just received it obviously and I made quite a few edits at the beginning of the document and it looks like none of them were incorporated at all. I did exactly what Alice just suggested about the broadband section which was reduced redundancies and shortened that up quite a bit. I also made changes to the worker section because I remain very uncomfortable with what we say in that section and I can't sign on to this document the way it is so I had made some changes to stop and that's the Luke you said you could read by document but it doesn't look like you incorporated any of my changes and I'm not sure why. That might not be Luke's fault. It's possible just because you know one of the things we've been struggling with is just getting multiple documents around. It's possible that they might have I'm not quite ready to put that on Luke. Senator Camping can I jump in? I don't know if everyone can hear me. It might be a little echo. Senator Hardy and everyone else the changes that you sent if I was told to incorporate them I did and for example some people sent some things over the weekend I had put that in a new draft that was not distributed so I'm not holding back on making changes I'm not making editorial decisions. What I really did is try to incorporate the language I was sent tried to make it consistent added you know a little bit of introduction a little bit of closing but I've really been waiting on you folks to tell me what you want in the letter either individually or collectively and I'm glad to keep doing that but I think I need guidance on what you want in the letter or what you want to change. So maybe what we do then is we will go ahead unless there is objection. If you would incorporate Senator Hardy's edits and suggestions in a new draft as well as what we've heard from Senator Nitka. So these are Senator Hardy's suggestions you've sent in on your track changes doc that was a PDF. Yes and you said you converted it to a word document or that's the way we left it at the end of our last session. So we will just we will incorporate those as well as what Senator Nitka. So I have to say at this point if the track changes are in there that include minimum wage and the other pieces around that and I think we make the part of the document partisan and we've already as a legislature in the state dealt with minimum wage. Are those what you were speaking to though Senator Hardy I'm not sure. Rich thanks for saying that because I was just going to say there was one part of what I included which was about the minimum wage and paid family leave that that Rich felt uncomfortable with and I said that I was fine of taking that out but yes thank you for saying that and mostly the stuff in the broadband was to do to tighten it up shorter. I didn't change the content I just changed they'll try to make it shorter and then I did change the worker stuff to soften it a little bit. I think it's I'm not comfortable with where it is right now and I there was a paragraph on paid family leave and minimum wage which would not include. I would just also say in the broadband piece I'm most of Ruth's changes I agree with she took some out about and I think this reflects a feeling on the committee we have in contracts up to this point federal and state incentivize businesses that have contractually came out try to do things and we've ended up with less than satisfactory finishing to that and we've had some companies and some contracts come and I think that somehow in this document we need to say that we need to work with people that bring stuff to the table and and be better at those contracts if we're going to give contracts to private businesses they don't there's a lot of community groups there's some effort to include cooperatives now but we have not contract with people that produce the end product that has given us broadband and that's a piece that I think we need to say in this document. And didn't was that not said? Well I think that piece I just want to make sure that that's in there. Oh okay yeah yeah and I if I edited that out it wasn't intentional it was just because it wasn't understanding the sentence correctly or something but I think having a strong statement of we need to make sure the contracts actually result in broadband access is. Well it and I think it's we've contracted with people that say oh I can do this but not really sure what they brought to the table you know I think the the community groups bring a level of support and expertise in the communities that we need to include you know and and many of us the the cooperatives are in places where there is not broadband now and they have the wires in the polls and how we include that in what we do I think is important. Yeah I also just looking through the document I had made some edits in the section about marketing I think I can't remember specifically what I changed because I don't have that document up but I've heard from a lot of businesses that they are underwhelmed and by the governor's proposal about marketing and that it just seems kind of fluffy. So I I think there needs to be more content to that proposal than just we're going to market for by local marketing that's been done so many times we need something but we need to I try I think I tried to emphasize the technical assistance part of it rather than the marketing part of it in my edits. Would you remind us Ruth was that marketing to just in-state folks or is this sort of just marketing this state overall? I think it was both what from what I understand from the governor's proposal you know that I think he had some phrase about marketing Vermont to Vermonters or something like that Vermont to Vermonters and I think there are there's a lot of skepticism about that and that you know putting a ton you know five million dollars into marketing and for that purpose may not be a good use of funds. I do think there needs to be marketing but it has to be combined with technical assistance. How do you make it through this crisis with you know business support, financial support, health protocol support etc. All of that and then marketing too but trying to really combine the technical assistance and marketing. Well and one of the things and I talked about over the weekend not to get too much into the weeds of this but you know one piece that you know could be worth marketing is again our institutions of higher education. I mean marketing right now out of state to say come to Vermont for a vacation is not do it's irresponsible it's it's not really what we're doing but to come and think about our institutions of higher education where you again it would be weird to say these are you can't say these are safe places but you can talk about the rural communities, the culture you know sort of let people put you know if you're living in New Jersey or somewhere like that and you're thinking okay I'm going to go to local state college where it might you know be 10,000 students or 7,000 students compared to a Johnson or a Linden that kind of that kind of thinking is interesting but that's probably a little bit too into the weeds but I think it would be a good thing for us to have a conversation with that department as they move forward with marketing. Well and I would say that in what the governor it isn't clear to me that as you do that broad marketing that that won't just help you know for example large resorts I'm most worried about a small in has five or six people and below working for it or a small restaurant and I want to the big guys will they they've got the resources to figure that they've got marketing departments they it's the small businesses that I think don't know what to do and they and they don't know how to come out of the box and so that is the piece that's most important to me. That's true. Also should there be some mention of working with the Chamber of Commerce you know who are still who are in the state trying to get the small businesses back on their feet. So I don't I don't know if that would be I mean I would think just personally I would think that that would be a good that they would naturally go to I'm not sure if you would think so but I they haven't always well I shouldn't say that I mean in past years they haven't always worked as closely with them as might have been. I mean Ace I have to admit I think that shop Lindsay Curly's place is doing a great job but I don't know if that would be something to just mention to as support of them and that relationship. Alice would you be comfortable if we said something instead of just calling out one group but more saying with you know various partners something because I'm just thinking our downtown organization you know something like that. Maybe Luke could find a language that again was you know with our with the necessary partners or something like that with a broad range of partners. That would be good. Okay because I think I know what you're saying and yeah you hate to see certain groups left out and I just think there are a lot of small little downtown associations and regional associations and the chamber that could all be a part of it. Just to go back to the we can't see Ruth's comments on the work. I thought there was a paragraph there where we were not condoning but no one else having difficulty hearing Alice or is it just me? Okay Alice is just going in and out I don't know if it's something banging yeah or if those grandkids have been fiddling with the computer. Yes the child does zoom on it for his school. But it should mute because it could be other people's. Oh that's a good point thank you yes. Oh okay so anyway just on the worker piece and maybe Ruth has included this already. I thought the part where we mentioned people returning to work I think we shouldn't show like the piece about it looked like it was okay with us that people were saying they wouldn't return to work just because they were getting more money and which I agree that's what some people are saying but in fact if they're offered their job and unless you with childcare I think they you know they need to be returning because that's if you're asked to return to your job and they're operating except for the reason if you have childcare or you're sick or something you've got to go back and we just can't sort of slough it off that not that we have to say they have to go back but I think just change our wording there so that we don't get into that of you know saying kind of sort of sloughing that off and saying that it's okay if they don't go back we didn't say it's okay but just I think just a couple of changes there I I think it's also important to acknowledge that there are reasons why people can't go back or shouldn't go back and part of that is could be because of childcare reasons it could be because of health or vulnerability reasons elder care reasons none of our elder long-term day care programs have opened yet and also I emphasized in mine is that you know it's it is reasonable for somebody to say I'm making more money this way and you know for to expect higher wages and that's why I got into the the the the minimum wage thing but just as an example my daughter's employer is paying higher wages for it as an incentive for people to return to work and and saying you know I know that this is a risky time and you feel uncertain and insecure and that makes this job much harder than it normally is so I'm going to pay a higher wage and I think that's important to acknowledge that people feel risk feel the risk and that there are reasons why people are are worried about going back and it's not just oh I'm going to stay home and you know suck off this unemployment or whatever I I don't know I feel like we're getting a little bit into areas that yeah we could keep acknowledging all sorts of scenarios that people are going through but I I'm wondering if we're moving away from sort of the nuts and bolts I mean really employers at this point if they're incorrect me if I'm wrong somebody who's on economic development but if somebody has a business they reopen it and somebody is not I don't know really the kinds of protections that are in place right now for employers or for employees if they decide not to go back if it is if their business is back up and open you know I mean can people say at this point I have an elderly parent at home that I need to still care I don't know the ins and outs of that so I realize that there are situations that would preclude people from going back but I I don't know the the legal ramifications that somebody else does are you saying Brian you don't know the legal ramifications if they say that with regard to them continuing to receive unemployment right for example if of my employer said okay we're back open the governor says we're back open things are things are you know transitioning back and where is my flexibility as an employee do do am I still in a position where I can say you know I am not going to go back because of x y and z I would think that the employer at this point and I don't know could say okay thank you Brian for your service but we need an employee back and we have now the state has recognized that we are either a you know business of necessity or we're transitioning back in such a way I somebody can help me with that that would be I'm just I don't know where things are at this point with that if the colleges for example if this were September and some in the colleges were back open and somebody still had like Ruth said childcare issues or these kinds of issues or elder care issues what are what are the institutions going to do I don't know I would think I'm not so does that make sense what I'm kind of struggling with where is that employer employee relationship now with as things have opened back up I don't know if people can well it's the issue for those people of whether they'll continue to collect UI or not and but if you're if you're dismissed from your position and I and this is what I'm just trying to figure out if I if my employer were to say well we're going to get rid of your position we are going to fire you Brian because we have to we have been told that we can open up we appreciate that you have issues with an elder you know parent or something um but we have to run our business you know can an employer say that you know as things open back up I would think so but it's UI where the decision will make as to whether they will be able to continue to right but if I'm terminated for my position yes you'll continue to get UI but I I guess I'm trying to understand why yeah right but that's a question that we probably aren't going to figure out here in the next few minutes but we should perhaps ask someone who knows about unemployment how to wrestle with that absolutely I just want to make sure that we're not that the language that we are we might be putting in here is cognizant that you know or showing that you know again things are opening up there might that worker sort of work you know employer employee relationship might be changing now that's all yeah senator campion this is Joyce oh great I know that economic development was talking about a bill back in March that would protect people who who were living with other vulnerable people so that they did not have to go to work if they felt that it was too risky I don't know if that bill actually passed and I think it it provided protection during the governor's state of emergency which now ends June 15th so I can try to check on that bill and that would be helpful if you would check on that that would be great thank you and Brian I just want to add I I think this is an issue that you know we might want to mention I don't know but that there are these complexities because this actually has come up with the reopening of child care facilities yeah um child care programs have asked you know specifically in the protocols for child care programs that says the vulnerable people or people over 65 if their workers should not come back and provide child care so I've had child care programs ask me what am I supposed to do with my workers who can't come back I don't want to fire them right they're fault but I also can't keep paying them and so I actually asked CDD this question and they're working with ACCD for guidelines for child care programs and I would assume it's similar for colleges and universities and probably for restaurants and hotels and everybody it's a complicated thing though and and I think acknowledging the complexity of there are workers who are not going to be able to come back and that puts both the workers and their employers in an awkward position sure yeah so you feel as though you would say even though you've mentioned it it's a whole if you weren't mentioned it that's fine hey Brian I Brian I think in this document and and I'm going to say this for everybody it's not our attempt here to come up with the solution it's our attempt to say we need to come the legislature needs to come up with a package of ideas whether it be financial whether it be policy changes what are the things that we need to do and to put a light on the fact that this is an area where we're hearing we're hearing a lot of people having issues around this yeah and well we as a legislature need to look at this and so you know I'm glad we're having this discussion and we aren't going to come up with a solution in this document but if we don't put a light on this I think we're making a mistake sounds good yeah and we did do that when we talk about our working group suggests that any disincentive to returning to work should be gradually eliminated in a manner that supports out of work for modern as well ensuring businesses can get up running again we're basically laying out the idea this is where we have to go but we're not going to be able to decide on the specifics in this kind of conversation right now yeah and that that needs to be the economic development committee that has a hand in that but let's create a path for them to get there yeah let me just check in for a moment uh Luke do you have a good sense up to now what we would like before we find where we're at what changes we would like and what we might anticipate in a second in a another draft I do I think it's there's some disagreement in the committee what I'll do is try to incorporate what you've mentioned I've been taking notes um and I'll kick it back to either the co-chairs or to all of you whatever you prefer to look at over I'm sure there'll be some further word smithing so just want to let you folks know it will take a little bit of time because we have multiple drafts now I've got a lot going on today and editing also has a lot going on today so it won't be a very I'll do everything I can to get to it today hopefully finish it today but it may take some time just want to let you folks know that my policy has been to send it to everybody but Ruth but that's just so I would I have one thank you I have one suggestion in the higher ed piece we um have poached out the idea of that we're going to have the 20 percent decline in higher education and we end that piece um on the second page of the higher education place we must increase scholarship appropriations by at least five million for I really think in that knowing that we're going to that nationally there they're predicting a 20 percent drop in the number of students starting this fall and it will be a blip for a short time that we really need to have um a comprehensive idea in a plan and that may be a strategy that has a number of pieces to it but we as a legislature need to develop um and as a state need to develop a plan around that drop to in the immediate to get our schools through that we shouldn't be closing school just because you're going to have a one year or or an 18 month drop in students we because the schools need to be there for the long term and so it isn't just give five million more we need to think of a plan yeah um rich I I agree and I think I do say I don't have a dollar amount but I do say in here that um I emphasize the having the plan and also having uh longer term financial support for institutions of higher education but I can say I mean while Luke can edit it to make it more to explicitly say we don't think closing campuses especially now is the answer well and you know I'm I'm thinking you know maybe we do something to give students more can we re regroup our efforts around the marketing of our own schools you know I gotta believe there's people out in more urban areas in the country now and particularly in the northeast that's within a drive over month that they'd rather drop their kids off here than um um someplace else and um I think we've got something to sell that could all play into that but I don't get the feeling we have a comprehensive plan to or any um ideas to deal with a 20 drop Senator Westman this is Joyce again so uh this week the the legislative sponsored report by Jim Page the former chancellor of the university main system will come out that talks about the bridge funding that's needed for the coming year and that report contains some scenarios about drops in enrollment and so forth and how much would be needed to support the system in light of that and also the the house is working on a proposal that would be a long-term study of the viability the financial sustainability of the the public education public higher education system in the state as a whole so those those two things are underway and um you'll be hearing both of them soon so so you know that backs up this document ought to be the lead in for those I think that's a great idea and I'm sorry I thought I had incorporated some language in that last night rich uh I think you I think you did Brian but it talks um currently um we allocate 20 million to um um student scholarships we must increase those scholarship appropriations by at least five million that's the only thing we talk about and I think this is a bigger issue and really we need to be comprehensive about it and this document needs to say we know we're gonna have a drop this fall what are we gonna what are we gonna do the last paragraph um does say sufficient state funding to whether the storm and survive the long run I did not put a dollar amount on it and it's because I don't know what that dollar amount is and I think saying what uh what Joyce just said I think is is is helpful just you know pointing to those coming reports um and saying you know whatever I also thought I had a line in here but I'm rereading it about um exactly what you're saying Rich about marketing Vermont as a as a quote-unquote safe place to come that actually I had I've had several conversations with the people who are working on this at the state level and that is part of what their thinking is is to say they look mom and dad this is one of the safest places in the country or if not the safest place in the country to send your child to to college now so I'm using that to our advantage but also making sure that when those students come they understand that if you're in Vermont you need to follow Vermont's rules about how we are dealing with the pandemic as that's another concern very good just just while we're on those two paragraphs I see the the first words in all of all of the college and universities and someone's underlined that which is good because it speaks to an issue that I noted also and then in the next paragraph these institutions must be provided with sufficient state funding I'm not comfortable with that it looks like somebody else highlighted that because it looks like it refers to all of the colleges and universities which I I don't believe we're speaking about that because we're not going to be providing state funding to say Bennington or Middlebury. We want our state colleges to be as sufficient funding. Okay so that this that should just narrow that down so that it is clear that we're talking about our state colleges to provide state funding to not all of the colleges and universities. I actually think we should mention the idea that we may need to look at different kinds of funding strategies for the state colleges I mean this idea that we're just going to keep giving the money which I'm not opposed to but right maybe there's a more creative way of going about how we fund state colleges than just writing them a check. Right and you know one of those things might be that we help them recruit more students from out of state to come here because we need to fill that so maybe we take and have more help fund recruitment of I'm just throwing out but we need a package of ideas and we need to be thinking about what this is because we know the problem's coming right maybe it's rich rich yes the one of the things that keeps coming in here is it for months to save place the the report and digger two weeks ago about how sales was a kind of a factual indicator do we have in this document that we need to look and see how the Covis has repositioned Vermont just just as a question that needs to be answered what can we expect to be different about our state compared to other states as a result of what what we've all gone what the country's gone through what's different about our state and how can we act upon that I think what the question mark that you just answered for me needs to be in the upfront as Tim and us in a positive way I I think that we have to lead up how is the coven changed the world in the way we position ourselves and that can up front the document who can is who can tell us some things about the answers to that question that are more than just the anecdotal things that the individuals bring to it or yeah I think it might be too early to answer that question but it's not too early to to have someone looking for the answer it's not too early to ask it for sure but it might be too early to answer it can I just go back to one thing that Alice said in the in the higher education just before we do I just want to make sure senator mcdonnell that luke has a good understanding of what senator mcdonnell no I do not okay so every every time you we all 50 states come out of a crisis or an event or whatever we never come out the same something always changes as a result of this virus what are the unique changes that vermont might expect that might be different than in new york or main or anywhere else what do what you said bring to us what does it take away from us and we just again I think get on that soon yeah is asking it as a question in the beginning sort of in that as we start to lay out as tim was looking for you know this is why we were given this direction this is what we're trying to do that kind of thing here's a question you know what how would one of the questions you know questions that we need to have answered is how will vermont be different and what kinds of things might we be positioned to do differently moving forward so that would go luke in the beginning of that of that document that's and I'm happy to talk to you later about that and work with you on that senator campion this is Joyce again so I've been keeping track of all of the new england states in terms of COVID cases and testing and death rates and so forth and so on since back in early march so if if that kind of quick overview of how vermont is faring in terms of COVID um disease um if that sort of thing would help I I I have actual data on that and sorry that that's we we have that's we have data we've read in the paper people in the rest of the nation are reading in the paper um the it was digger a couple weeks ago was doing an interview of home sales and home sales were showing a a spike that was newsworthy and people were questioned about why they were buying homes and that is a change that has taken place as a result of this COVID what other similar changes can we anticipate or are being documented or provide opportunities our transition report ought to say we ought to take a look at these we ought to understand them and we ought to be ready to be nimble or anticipate them so that was longer than I intended but sure sure so I would say we start with the data we talk about the density of population we talk about the increased ability to work from home and and you know how it becomes more attractive for people to live in vermont if they have broadband access uh and can telecommute and so forth so I I think there could be a good argument made there Joyce because you might need to be assembled to make any good arguments that might be available yeah and I think Joyce's language just now if you're you would be willing to just put up that in a couple paragraphs for us Joyce and share with sure that would be great thank you very much you know the other day the agency of commerce and community development released a map that showed cases in vermont and then cases in the region based on how many per million there are people there are whatever might be but vermont is looks really clear and clean compared to the other states I mean putting that map out to people who are considering where to go to college would be pretty be pretty dramatic do you want to send your kid to a place where there's hardly any cases of COVID-19 or somewhere else well I I absolutely agree with that anthony and I think um um um a thoughtful parent um you can drive here if you were going to send your kid out to Colorado and we know all that yes someone has to put the package put it together context I think Joyce's couple paragraphs I think that they'll be interesting to to take a look at I think she's she's right on looking at the time we only have three more hours together um you know so I just don't want to and I anything else um well please pass again what's the plan going forward we um I would suggest to you that we need to um if we can get as soon as we can get um these um changes made I think we're awfully close in this and we need to get the document um um to um Tim and we need to get this done before the appropriations committee starts to work and before these reports start to come this needs to be in front of that and I think um we particularly now with the housing piece what we say in this document about housing is don't just create units we also need it's it's something more than just the unit that you need to create I think we need to get this document out and moving and I think we're awfully close I think so too and I think it is turning into a you know a really strong document so we'll look uh for an email hopefully I hope ledge council is busy but we hope that foot we could see something today we'll keep our fingers crossed and then um we probably unless someone disagrees I think we should should just plan on meeting again tomorrow so we can wrap this up and continue to meet until we have this wrapped up so let's plan on 7 30 tomorrow that sounds good can I before you shut off I had a couple questions yeah and I just let's make sure Luke understands what yeah things you just raise an issue that you might want to be thinking about in the health care thing if they aren't already you'd like to know in this education piece uh someone mentioned or it's in here um providing support doing uh consider liability protection for institutions of higher ed okay so that's one thing to think about I'm wondering is someone in health care thinking about doing that for nursing homes I'm not saying we should or shouldn't but is someone looking at that that's going on I think in a couple of other states because of all the COVID cases at them anyway I'm good what um yes yes is a short answer right right how to hold yeah Luke how are you feeling I mean about the document and and being able to you know any outstanding question so I had a couple of questions uh so number one there's a discussion I had in the president pro tim submit introductory language are you circling back to him uh or I want to write the introduction language I'll text the president pro tem this great do you want this put back on letterhead it doesn't matter I mean once we sign off on it it can go back on letterhead so you want everyone to sign independently the signature lines are just sort of sincerely working groups sort of agenda oh I think we should have everyone's signature okay think about the mechanics of having that happen I don't have a great answer for you that just sign it so so because it becomes an issue of he has to get our signature right I think it would be all right if um tomorrow we got the sign off from every member that you just print our names yeah that's fine yeah I think so too yeah that's fine and once I have it center ingram well just there's software that makes it really easy for a bunch of people to sign a document we we it's called doc you sign well anyway it's but I know we're very low tech in the in the government um but anyway that that's probably a minor point I I I love your idea but um but at this point we need to get names in as long as everybody says yes yeah okay but a good point send the new draft to everyone yes yes please um so I'll work on that once again please continue to check your email it I don't know when I'll get it done but I will work on it but do please continue to check your email what I may do on this version if there's something that's contradictory or not resolved I may highlight that and have a little question in the text make it easier for you to focus on that but otherwise I think what you've said is fairly clear and I'm ready to go great thank you all for your patience so we're on tomorrow that's 7 30 yeah um I uh anything else uh from my coach here center westman do you want to do a shout out or anything from the northern part of the state no I think um we're good okay I'll talk to you all tomorrow and hopefully we'll sign thank you thanks everybody